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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #125 on: 19-06-20, 10:27AM »
I agree, the training did used to be different. The time scales are still in place however. It is now all online, can't be fudged. I know of two managers who have been sacked for signing off training that has not been completed, this was years ago but it did happen. Now you do it online and it's done with your own sign in. We all know of people who struggle to get signed on and hate doing it like this but it is you that is doing the training and it's all monitored.

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« Reply #126 on: 19-06-20, 02:10PM »
They can't monitor the fact the manager is sitting in the room, hurrying them along with giving the correct answers...some still doing it on CA's behalf as a "favour", as another well used trick is to get the CA to go online, towards the end of their shift, obviously with not enough time to complete and they finish it for them, rather than have their department interrupted during a shift with the CA's doing training  :-X
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« Reply #127 on: 19-06-20, 02:13PM »
I appealed and won.Managers need serious training on how to do investigation and graduate managers need proper training on disciplinaries  :thumbup:

Well done...now onwards and upwards  ;)
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« Reply #128 on: 19-06-20, 02:19PM »
I appealed and won.  Managers need serious training on how to do investigation, and graduate managers need proper training on disciplinaries  :thumbup:

Top notch.  :thumbup:
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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #129 on: 19-06-20, 03:14PM »
Thank you all for listening and all the advice been a great help :)

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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #130 on: 21-06-20, 11:15PM »
Ask for a copy of any notes taken and remember you need to read through and sign them that way you can highlight anything wrong but also ask them to document anything you disagree about. 
However any colleague can sit in with you they can't answer for you hopefully evidence is one offence and not a lot more as theft is taken very seriously. Every point is 1p treble of using partner sites

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« Reply #131 on: 22-06-20, 09:25AM »
I turned up to an investigation meeting last week and was told the wrong date and time were on my letter.  ???

Am I right in saying I’ll have to get another letter with notice in it?

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« Reply #132 on: 22-06-20, 10:23AM »
Correct  8-)
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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #133 on: 22-06-20, 12:48PM »
Fab. Thanks. I’m fully expecting to be told on my next shift that it’s happening today.

Just wanted to be prepared for a challenge.

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« Reply #134 on: 22-06-20, 01:33PM »
They have to give at least 24 hour written notification, this is to enable you to arrange representation, or re arrange for when you can secure a rep or colleague to accompany you.

Remember the golden rule....if there's two of them, should also be two of you.
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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #135 on: 22-06-20, 01:41PM »
Thanks lucgeo,

When I was told on Thursday that there was an error in my letter, I expected the correct information be put on a new letter there and then but that never materialised.

I understand (but not been told) that it will probably be on my next shift so having this information, I can tell them that I Haven’t had the required written notice in order to get representation.

Thanks again!

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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #136 on: 02-07-20, 01:44AM »
Hi I got a email from people partner to return to my store she arranged a meeting with my manager and another manager to  sit in she said my manager was going to apolgise regarding for not doing a thorough check and putting me through stress and anxiety yesterdsy had meeting and got no apology everything in the email he did not do. I have a ajustment passport which states if im in an uncomfortble place or situation i get very anxious. In my store there are a couple of staff that course me alot of problems which i have mentioned to my manager on a number of accasions So Told my manager at the moment I will not feel comfortable to do lates at the moment.I dont mind lates as have been lates in the store Im in at the moment.hes answer was I dont work like that problem is he dont deal with the staff he says nothing to them can he force me to do something that im not comfortable with which states in my passport hes body language said it all dont know what to do im worried my anxiety will build up again im in a better place now.sorry for going on thanks

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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #137 on: 02-07-20, 02:06AM »
So you don't feel comfortable working lates due to other colleagues you are in contact with on that shift are causing you problems? Or because they have done in the past?  (hope I'm correct ton reading that), if so, then if you've mentioned this to your manager then they should ideally making a note of it for record, aim to speak to the colleagues involved and aim to work on the problems or possibly go further into investigation if it's something such as bullying and harassment.

Ideally they could also temporarily move you on your shift away from the ones involved at the time, but it's possible they would be able to say they will look into it and ask if it's fine to continue your current shifts with them or discuss possible temporary measures, rather than the force that you are saying, if they are indeed aiming to force then I'd recommend speaking to another manager regarding it and wanting it in writing or using the protector line if your uncomfortable, you could also however call in and ask to speak to someone regarding it as you feel unsafe and go from there but you shouldn't be being "forced", they can however ask...

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« Reply #138 on: 02-07-20, 07:06AM »
Did the email include the written words that the manager had caused you stress and anxiety and was to apologise to you for it?
Did it acknowledge that you had been treated unfairly by the manager?
Were notes taken in the meeting? If so were you given a copy?
Did both managers speak or just the one?
Did you have a rep or colleague accompany you in the meeting?
Were you given sufficient notice to attend the meeting, to prepare?
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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #139 on: 02-07-20, 08:52AM »
Hi the meeting was to clear the air so I can go back to my store yes the email states the manager is aware he caused you unnessasary  stress and anxiety and to give him a chance to put it right with an apology  and there was no apology  he knows about the staff but will not deal will it he said I need to document it down which I have done before.he said  its not hes job to manage the staff or shop that is why we have shift leaders.my colleague is having issues with the same staff  and nothing all im asking is for support on my return

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« Reply #140 on: 02-07-20, 09:00AM »
Thinking further on this...
Was there a timescale of you working in the alternative store, where you are currently placed.
Have they offered you an alternative dept for you to return to your contracted store, or are they sending you back to the same dept and under the same manager, whom you won your grievance against?
The fact that you are working the lates in your temporary store, shows in your favour, and adds credibility to your reluctance to work lates on your return due to the anticipated bad atmosphere!
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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #141 on: 02-07-20, 09:49AM »
I work in express store, the store I'm in now I have been there nearly 4 months there are no vacancies in the area at the moment so they want me to go back to my store as I'm a valued member there.

But after the meeting yesterday I know its not going to be healthy.  He asked if I had any concerns I told him nothing, not sure who to turn to.
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« Reply #142 on: 03-07-20, 10:14AM »
I would have thought the PM should have conducted the meeting between yourself and this manager? Was the other manager in the meeting between you both a senior manager?

Keep all correspondence concerning this...especially the email from the PM stating the recognition of stress and anxiety caused by this manager.

Contact the PM again...keeping copies. State your concerns, especially as the meeting was not conducted in the way you were led to believe it would,  no apology was forthcoming, and statement the manager made, that it is not his job to manage the staff or the shop, that is the shift leaders job, you find confusing and request clarification, as one of his past " let's talk" meetings was to inform you that as a shift leader, you did not have the authority to take someone off a checkout??

Did you get copies of the notes from the meeting?
Did you have a witness or rep at this meeting?

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Re: Disciplinary Meeting
« Reply #143 on: 03-07-20, 12:05PM »
Documentation is important, as the agenda was outlined by the PM, remedial steps such as getting the manager to apologise for misconduct and to improve treatment towards you is of paramount importance to be documented, this is so if further misconduct of the same nature from the same manager occurs again, you can repeat the process and the onus will be on the HR team to balance needs of the business with protection against lawsuits, you have to remember, the more documentation about misconduct, especially about dignity at work, victimisation and harrassment there is, the more objectively justified your claim for constructive dismissal or other lawsuits pertaining to victimisation, discrimination etc will be.

HR being the lowest level of business function in a corporation won't be the ones doing a legal repurcussion analysis, that will be General Counsel (the legal team) who "advise" (read instruct) the course of action the PM must take, this nips any protectionist activities in the bud.

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« Reply #144 on: 03-07-20, 12:13PM »
Meeting i had on wednesday was not s senior manager sitting in was just another manager from another store notes were not taken I have all my notes from previous meetings kept them all I have emailed the PM she said any concerns speak to your line manager.

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« Reply #145 on: 03-07-20, 12:46PM »
Did you have a rep?
Did the rep or you take notes of the meeting?
Were you offered a rep sitting in?
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« Reply #146 on: 03-07-20, 12:59PM »
In this meeting no i was not offered to have rep sit in PM sent me email saying she was arranging a meeting with my manager and another was going to be there she stated manager should of done a thorough check and that he was aware it caused me anxiety and stress and that to give him a chance to put it right and hopefully with the apology can move forward when i had the meeting he did nothing so he did not follow the email the manager sitting in did not speak at all

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« Reply #147 on: 03-07-20, 01:55PM »
Sounds like a stitch up, if you are privy to tbe email or have a carbon copy, then that will be self evident as documentation. Just remember the manager is in a sticky situation as he would be ill advised (if the personnel manager is at least quasi-competent, most of them are uneducated fairy godmother types in my opinion who've been with the company over 20 years) to "manage you out of the business" by bullying etc as the documentation will be sufficient for the ET judge to pass judgement in your favour. With this in mind, as long as you don't do anything justifiable for disciplinary, keep your nose clean and adhere to KPIs and exceptions mandated by your adjustment passport, you just have to wait for the mateyboy manager to be hoisted by his own petard, when he does so, grievance mentioning legal action and insist on having the "challenging conversations" with the personnel manager about a more constructive solution.


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« Reply #148 on: 03-07-20, 02:01PM »
I just recieved a letter from my manager regarding meeting I had no mention he gave me an apology etc just said concerns i raised and nothing will speak to union on monday I will keep my head down.I have a diary to record everything.

 

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