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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #1 on: 09-08-19, 12:40PM »
Race to the bottom.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #4 on: 09-08-19, 03:47PM »
The thing is, if a company is making many millions of pounds a year in profit to the extent that its directors can award themselves multi-million pound bonuses as the business is working effectively, I think that it is hard for them to justify that they NEED to force lower paid colleagues to change their contracts for the needs of the business. If ADSA/Tesco were loss making businesses then they would have a water-tight argument. Forcing people to change to less favourable contracts just so that as directors you can try to show an increased profit in the next year is shaky ground in my opinion and should definitely be a grounds for strike action (if the unions actually had any power). Even if the union agree to staff being forced onto less favourable contracts people can be brave and take it to tribunal or something. Something like that is probably better done in large numbers and I'd probably be looking to organize something like that or at least be looking to take legal advice.

If rail workers or airport staff were treated like supermarkets treat their staff there would be no trains or aircraft moving for a good while.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #5 on: 09-08-19, 05:56PM »
Asda staff are having a meeting next wed I hear on the grapevine whether to strike or not ? as with new contracts if they do not agree and do not sign this would put Asda in breach of contract as it needs both parties to agree on changes to contracts.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #6 on: 09-08-19, 07:16PM »
What would happen if all cas collectively refused to sign the new contract, If Asda dismisses them all they will lose out on revenue by sizable amounts every day while having insufficient resources.

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« Reply #7 on: 09-08-19, 07:33PM »
Agency staff will come in, Asda have already got a deal in place with an agency so would just use them to cover any shortfall.
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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #8 on: 09-08-19, 07:50PM »
There would be riots all them families being shafted same would happen if Tesco staff did the same.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #9 on: 09-08-19, 09:24PM »
Tesco staff would  ever strike...
The majority of them have no back bone!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: 09-08-19, 09:29PM »
They couldn't even if they wanted to, good ol Uselessdaw signed away that power in the partnership agreement.

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« Reply #11 on: 10-08-19, 06:54AM »
Does the constructive dismissal route not come into play here?? That would tie ASDA up in knots, if they all put in claims.
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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #12 on: 10-08-19, 09:55AM »
The thing is, if a company is making many millions of pounds a year in profit to the extent that its directors can award themselves multi-million pound bonuses as the business is working effectively, I think that it is hard for them to justify that they NEED to force lower paid colleagues to change their contracts for the needs of the business. If ADSA/Tesco were loss making businesses then they would have a water-tight argument. Forcing people to change to less favourable contracts just so that as directors you can try to show an increased profit in the next year is shaky ground in my opinion and should definitely be a grounds for strike action (if the unions actually had any power). Even if the union agree to staff being forced onto less favourable contracts people can be brave and take it to tribunal or something. Something like that is probably better done in large numbers and I'd probably be looking to organize something like that or at least be looking to take legal advice.

If rail workers or airport staff were treated like supermarkets treat their staff there would be no trains or aircraft moving for a good while.
Yes very true, but they are skilled jobs and there are a lot less staff working for them. There is no skill in working for retail and there are masses of staff!
The oy choice you've got is to get out of retail as it is and always will be the worse place to work.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #13 on: 10-08-19, 10:48AM »
Airport staff on planes, fair enough, all rail workers at stations except the train drivers aren't skilled workers, they just have militant unions who take no s***, not like USDAW who won't let anyone be chocolate in Tescos political peanut butter, union in name, secret police in nature.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #15 on: 10-08-19, 11:43AM »
New Asda staff are on Contract 6 when they start. This is getting the older contracts onto the same contract.

This is being done because old contracts don't require you to work weekends as the newer one you are contracted to either a Sat or Sun.

Old contract you can refuse to do Bank Holidays....New contract they can get you in if required regardless of whether you are contracted to that day or not.

Old contract twilight pay you get a premium between 22:00-01:00.....new contract premium for just 00:00-01:00.

Old contract you built up holiday entitlements....new contract everyone has the same holidays.

Basically old contracts were not flexible enough so they are removing them. Sign or be contractually dismissed once the consultation ends.

GMB union trying to fight it but probably won't overturn anything.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #16 on: 10-08-19, 11:50AM »
For the remaining bank holidays, staff are "expected" to work them - I'm not sure of the details - I'm assuming it only applies if you're contracted to work on those days (generally Mondays) - I wonder how easy it will be to get a contract with Asda that doesn't include Mondays?

They can ask you to work regardless of whether it is your contracted shift.

Basically with the contracts how they are it's the same people working the Bank Holidays as those on old contracts can refuse to work them. With the new contracts it will be fairer as they won't have the same people for all the Bank Holidays. You fill in availability forms.

Old contracts get time & half for Bank Holidays as newer staff just get time.

The days they can't make you work are the seasonal ones Christmas Day Boxing Day & New Years Day. If you work any of these you get a Thank You payment in your wages.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #18 on: 12-08-19, 05:49PM »
For the remaining bank holidays, staff are "expected" to work them - I'm not sure of the details - I'm assuming it only applies if you're contracted to work on those days (generally Mondays) - I wonder how easy it will be to get a contract with Asda that doesn't include Mondays?

They can ask you to work regardless of whether it is your contracted shift.

Basically with the contracts how they are it's the same people working the Bank Holidays as those on old contracts can refuse to work them. With the new contracts it will be fairer as they won't have the same people for all the Bank Holidays. You fill in availability forms.

Old contracts get time & half for Bank Holidays as newer staff just get time.

The days they can't make you work are the seasonal ones Christmas Day Boxing Day & New Years Day. If you work any of these you get a Thank You payment in your wages.


They can "ask" you to work Bank holidays.....but do you have the right to say no every single time they ask?

the story in the "papers" suggested there was an "expectation" of staff working BHs, not a choice.

It is all wrong - but unfortunately it's highly unlikely to be overturned because of the "unskilled nature of the jobs" and the lack of any real union power - and the fact that people who work in retail (certainly at GA level) are hardly likely to have enough savings to make  a stand and go unpaid for strike action - all this assumes of course that any "partnership agreement" allowed strike action.

Unfortunately, rather like Sundays (since the premiums in Tesco have been cut from double to 1.5 and now to 1.25.....and soon to be 1) - there's always enough staff who "need the money" - and the unskilled nature of the job means it's an ideal job for students who know they just have to put themselves through a few months of "hard work" in the knowledge it's not their permanent long term job, like many of their colleagues.


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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #19 on: 27-10-19, 02:28PM »
It would seem that despite the efforts of some to suggest otherwise dear old Tesco aren't so bad after all.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #20 on: 27-10-19, 04:28PM »
They aren't the best like they used to be though, Asdas new contract 6 actually puts it on par with Tesco, and that's a downgrade from what it offered before.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #21 on: 27-10-19, 07:05PM »
I can see this new contract 6, that Asda are implementing will be watched carefully by the other supermarkets.  Basically, they aren't offering redundancy to staff that won't sign up for it.  Cheap way to get rid of more staff.

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Re: Asda today - Tesco tomorrow??
« Reply #22 on: 27-10-19, 10:28PM »
If it was any other industry you'd have proper unions organising ballots for strike action. Retail unions however are about as useful as a fart in the wind.

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« Reply #23 on: 28-10-19, 07:34AM »
I worked after school and Saturdays at ASDA in the 70's, when it was Associated Dairies. The union then was mighty powerful, too powerful! The management were like puppets, especially in the cities. Liverpool comes to mind, that any security or management wanting to inspect the warehouse had to give 30 mins notice of request!

In a lot of cases, the unions brought it all crashing down on us all. They got greedy, Businesses folded, as they couldn't continue with the unsustainable demands and stay profitable. And now we've nearly gone full circle. Businesses are folding, as they can't compete with online, new competitors who are streamline but give a better rate of pay, and openly won't recognise a Union, yet people work for them, know the score, fair days work, for a fair days pay.

So now, unions are profit making businesses, selling insurance and god knows what else?? The bosses are greedy fat cats who have never stood shoulder to shoulder with their minion members, as their too busy raking it in, and greasing palms for that knighthood! And what have they left us with again?? The bloody PC Brigade  :-X
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« Reply #24 on: 28-10-19, 02:39PM »
Flexibility is the key. They have shifts they need to fill, Sunday's or bank holidays or just normal days. They have some colleagues who are on contracts that restrict the company from expecting them to help. They work agreed contracted hours, no more and no less. That's nice for the colleagues but less so for the company. It works if enough people pick up the shifts needed but if they are not doing so they have a problem.
We have people on contracts that require them to work bank holidays if needed. The exception being the Christmas ones.
There is also mention of paid breaks by Adsda, but if you are paid you can be called off a break 
Things are tough in retail. Just ask anyone who works in an express or now a metro with the new structure change. Flexibility is expected. Supporting more than one area is expected. I gather that people are divided up into one of three areas and that you don't work in a regular area. The areas are service, admin or replenishment. For example if you are replenishment you can fill crisps, frozen and dairy all in one day. You just fill where needed. Our company have gone the same way, they have just started in the smaller stores first. I don't work in an express or metro but we have three in my area and it will come to the rest of us, it's a matter or when and not if. It was four years between express and metro but I don't think it will be that long again but it's anybody's guess. The people retained are mostly those on flexi contracts, those who held out for hours they had done for 10 or more years and were not willing or able to fit into new hours were let go and then stores recruited.
Asda are just doing this for all. We have done in the smaller stores only, so far. Asda are expecting flexibility from all. We are expecting flexi from the majority, retained some fixed that fit into hours needed but all new on flexi contracts. As we recruit all go on flexi contracts and have done so for years. It may well come that if you apply internally you may also be asked to go flexi, this is not enforced now. Some stores are better at the flexi sheets than others but it's mostly just checkouts that issue them.
There are differences between the companies but it's minimal and how big these differences are will depend on the individual circumstances. The reality of retail is that we trade long hours and we need people to cover all times of the day and even night.

 

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