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Re: Sickness
« Reply #25 on: 25-09-19, 09:13AM »
If you go on holiday from sick your holidays are cancelled and coded as sick unless you ring in to say fit to take your holiday.
If sick during holiday you are coded as holiday unless you produce a fit note. This puts the ball in your court. You can then decide for yourself if you want to use holiday days or sick. If someone has run out of paid sick they might decide to let the holidays stand for example. If someone has had an accident on holiday they may be off longer than expected and change holidays into sick. There are so many variables to this but yes, you can change holidays into sick but you need to provide proof. It's not just a matter of saying you had a cold so need to rebook hols on seven days self certificate.

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #26 on: 04-11-19, 06:08PM »
Hi I am having a issue at work.

I currently fell of a ladder while painting at home and hurt my back i called the Duty Line (Tesco) to let them know that i have hurt my back and will require support as i am on grocery i am unable to bend and stretch the first week counted as self certified however my manager asked me to bring in a sick note saying i am unable to carry out my normal duties if i was going to ask for support after the first week so i brought in a sick note from the doctor stating that i need amended duties to carry out my work and that i should not be bending and stretching the
2nd week she put me on the checkouts
3rd week i was off sick because of the pain from my back
4th week i came back to work and i was put on label changing PI

my manager then pulled me into a meeting stating that she can no longer support me even though i have a sick not to state i can not do any bending and stretching in my job she also said that from this point on i am not allowed to do any over time i would just like to know weather this is true?
i mentioned to my manager that i will do overtime on checkouts as it does not involve bending and stretching and she was like you cannot do it

Am i allowed to do over time even if my store is supporting me with my back?
 The thing is i feel bullied and harassed by my manager i never do overtime in my store as i don't like doing at my store because my manager makes my life hard and constantly picks on me she has stopped my overtime as she doesn't like the fact that i am not helping out on my department grocery because i have a bad back and that instead i am on the checkouts or something different as a result of this she is trying to stop me from doing overtime and trying to get me to work on grocery.

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #27 on: 04-11-19, 08:53PM »
As far as I am aware if you are being supported  on normal duties at work you are refrained from doing overtime as it could be aggravating your symptoms and in turn prolonging your ability to resume your normal duties...apart from that if you feel that you are being bullied by your manager you need to speak to your union rep and take this further. Nobody should be made to feel they are being bullied...

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #28 on: 04-11-19, 11:07PM »
Yes , in our store if you're being supported for a return to work you would not be able to do overtime. 
Can I also add that few jobs in store require more bending and stretching than PI and it's very odd that's where they put you .

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« Reply #29 on: 12-11-19, 10:50AM »
Hi all, I'm sorry if this isn't where its supposed to be posted, but I recently had a sick day due to having a sick bug I had already had 4 days (3 periods) off ill before and had a attendance meeting to which it was taking and I was given a letter stating a first/second warning was given and it would be live for 8 weeks, there wasn't a mitigating circumstance for the 3rd period of two days off. I know I will have another meeting however I'm unsure on what to do as will I be fired or is there another step before this, I've had multiple panic attacks since this in worry about it, this is only a part time job for me as I'm going to uni next year however I'm worried about what I should do for the meeting.

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #30 on: 12-11-19, 11:40AM »

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« Reply #31 on: 12-11-19, 12:36PM »
Oh right OK thank you, that puts my mind at ease a bit many thanks

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« Reply #32 on: 12-11-19, 06:51PM »
Hi all, I'm sorry if this isn't where its supposed to be posted, but I recently had a sick day due to having a sick bug I had already had 4 days (3 periods) off ill before and had a attendance meeting to which it was taking and I was given a letter stating a first/second warning was given and it would be live for 8 weeks, there wasn't a mitigating circumstance for the 3rd period of two days off. I know I will have another meeting however I'm unsure on what to do as will I be fired or is there another step before this, I've had multiple panic attacks since this in worry about it, this is only a part time job for me as I'm going to uni next year however I'm worried about what I should do for the meeting.
Why are you off so much have you an underlying medical condition? 4 occasions in the 26 week period is quite alot it generally goes first warning 2nd warning final warning then can be fired ater that.

Also if you are part time then your sicknesses always happen on the days you are working?

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« Reply #33 on: 13-11-19, 12:37PM »
I've been there for a year now, so it's been over that period, but no it's just been 3 separate occasions 1st time was a migraine and the second was sickness from food, the 2 days in the summer was due to a head concussion however there was alcohol involved so i think that's what the warning was for, due to there not being any mitigating circumstances.

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« Reply #34 on: 13-11-19, 04:34PM »
don't worry. if you're planning on leaving next year anyway there are plenty of part time jobs in other retailers especially this time of year. you never know they might even appreciate that people sometimes get ill! :-X

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« Reply #35 on: 13-11-19, 05:36PM »
I've been there for a year now, so it's been over that period, but no it's just been 3 separate occasions 1st time was a migraine and the second was sickness from food, the 2 days in the summer was due to a head concussion however there was alcohol involved so i think that's what the warning was for, due to there not being any mitigating circumstances.

What!! You told them you had been drinking, resulting in concussion ??? Or did they reach that conclusion because you said you were on a night / day out? Obviously you can't go into detail on here, but unless you openly told them you were inebriated and the concussion was a direct result, then they shouldn't have assumed and passed judgement, a hospital admission should be mitigating  ???
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Re: Sickness
« Reply #36 on: 14-11-19, 10:13AM »
Shock horror, someone admitted to the truth. There is far too much of people trying to get away with things. Colleagues encouraged to lie and managers accused of nor following process. We just all need to be more honest.

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« Reply #37 on: 14-11-19, 11:12AM »
I don't think anything in my post suggested an encouragement to lie ??? I was asking did they give that information willingly or had the management made that assumption because the concussion may have occurred during a night out etc...I think too many assumptions are made by managers thinking they are competent to make judgements on medical conditions, because they watch casualty or E.R. And yes we all should follow the "open and honest" mantra shoved down our throats by Dave Lewis and his groupies, followed religiously every shift by the Senior team, S.M.'s and upwards :D

Managers accused of not following process :o heaven forbid :-X
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Re: Sickness
« Reply #38 on: 15-11-19, 11:15AM »
Just saying that there is a bit of a double standard on here sometimes. Managers blasted for not following policy but colleagues encouraged to lie.
I assume a night out that resulted in a fall that caused concussion would be all over social media or talk round the store. Everyone has the right to go out, have fun, get drunk or do what they want to do in their own spare time but during these times of social media it hard to hide what has happened. Even if not out with friends from work these things get known about in store, no point in hiding it.
We can admit to making mistakes, we are not robots. If we admit them when we do them we can be trusted.
We have people who have rung in sick but are on a night out, all over social media. We have people who ring in sick at the beginning or end of a holiday. We have people who work the system. With a bit more trust and honesty on both sides the people who do work the system would stand out more and when we really do have a request or an issue we may be believed.

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #39 on: 19-01-20, 04:44PM »
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I have Now been told by my deputy manager he can no longer support me as Tesco have a policy in place where they can only support someone for up to 8 weeks after that they will no longer support you what do i do? As now i am going to be put back on grocery working the stock which i am able to do but im not able to work at the fast pace he requires me to work at. I mentioned to him if i bring in a sick note does that still mean your not going to support me and he said even with a sick note he will not support me.

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« Reply #40 on: 19-01-20, 05:05PM »
The law states employers must make reasonable adjustments if you are ill to support you back to full health. The questions that need to be asked is:-
1) Is your pain likely to be ongoing or has your GP given you a date when you can return to normal duties?
2) Are you doing all you can to aid your recovery? (I've seen multiple people told to have adequate rest pick up as much OT as possible or people unable to heavy lift at work be seen to lift heavy cases of beer whilst shopping)

Bottom line is if you are unable to do your job, Tesco could dismiss you thru ill health ie you are no longer physically able to do the job you are employed to do.

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« Reply #41 on: 19-01-20, 06:31PM »
See Reply #26 in this topic.

I have Now been told by my deputy manager he can no longer support me as Tesco have a policy in place where they can only support someone for up to 8 weeks after that they will no longer support you what do i do? As now i am going to be put back on grocery working the stock which i am able to do but im not able to work at the fast pace he requires me to work at. I mentioned to him if i bring in a sick note does that still mean your not going to support me and he said even with a sick note he will not support me.
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« Reply #42 on: 20-01-20, 07:57AM »
What has been the 8 wk support plan?
Have you been swapped with someone on lighter duties. If this is the case that person does not have to agree to move jobs to accommodate you. They could be asked but not forced.
Have they just moved you and then back filled with overtime and used less overtime In the dept you are in?
Are your availability restrictions tight? You can dematicalky improve your chances of being able to move Depts by increasing your availability. The chances of another job coming up with the exact right hours coming up is slim.
Overtime more readily available over Christmas and new year, making it easier to accommodate you. Some stores see this totally dry up in the new year making it much harder.

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« Reply #43 on: 20-01-20, 08:50AM »
See Reply #26 in this topic.

I have Now been told by my deputy manager he can no longer support me as Tesco have a policy in place where they can only support someone for up to 8 weeks after that they will no longer support you what do i do? As now i am going to be put back on grocery working the stock which i am able to do but im not able to work at the fast pace he requires me to work at. I mentioned to him if i bring in a sick note does that still mean your not going to support me and he said even with a sick note he will not support me.

As far as I'm aware, there  are no time specifics on working the stock? There are "suggested" timescales, per cage, not based on individual contents. What does he mean he'll no longer support you? You've told him you can perform your tasks, to the best of your current abilities, therefore fulfilling your contract. You're not asking to be moved to another dept, you're simply stating that on you're returning to the dept, after a supported absence away from it, on health grounds, it will take a while to get up to your previous speed. I would suggest another visit to the doc for a fit note, stating the immediate workload and expectations of time management, could prove detrimental to your full recovery.
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Re: Sickness
« Reply #44 on: 21-01-20, 09:04AM »
A return to work plan should last up to 8 wks. This time is to allow colleague and store time to resolve. If just recovery the 8 wk plan is often enough but if longer is needed I don't think it says you can't do another 8 wk plan. If it is Clear that colleague will be unable to go back into normal role the 8 wks is to give store time to plan out alternative role. If no role is available they don't have to create one but they do need to be proactive in trying. Recruitment into suitable alternative role should not be allowed. The only time recruitment into a suitable alternative role is allowed is if someone has been displaced. A displaced colleague always goes to top of list. It may or may not be policy but the right thing to do would be to inform you of all alternative roles either within or outside your availability. If you can't do the hours it's up to you if you turn them down but chances of getting an exact match of hours in an alternative role are slim so you are reducing the options.
A lot will depend on the individual circumstances in your store. All stores have been trying to get closer to base line hours. Any structure change is harsher for stores that are way over hours so it's the right thing to do for all.

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Re: Sickness
« Reply #45 on: 27-07-20, 08:27AM »
Can anyone advise please?

I had an ARM, and I didn’t realise that I was going to be asked about my January sickness too. I didn’t get a warning or anything, but as I didn’t realise I would be asked about the previous one, I didn’t prepare anything on it, and my mind went blank in the meeting. The January sickness was due to work issues - I was hit by a customer, and had a number of events in a short space of time with no support from the store whatsoever.

I didn’t say this in the meeting, and I think it is important.

Is it too late to get this added to the notes, if I prepare something separately? I’m really unhappy with the way they claimed my health is in decline, when I’ve been sick twice, and one instance was stress, due to workplace issues! I’m kicking myself for hot elaborating on that part!

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« Reply #46 on: 27-07-20, 09:05AM »
If you were off because you were hit by a customer the time off for that should not be included in any sickness % as this was an accident/incident at work providing you were not at fault,
also to note if it was included in your % at that point and since during the 26 week rollover than the other ARM s would be incorrectly calculated.

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« Reply #47 on: 01-08-20, 05:39PM »
Sorry  if wrong place asking a question for a colleague this month she was deducted 22.50hrs shes never been off sick I checked payroll and 3 days she worked but was put down as UA 800 its where she forgot to clock in but clocked out manager is say is how her days off are worked out he does rota friday to thursday but basic should not change so bit confused any help she would be grateful

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« Reply #48 on: 01-08-20, 09:11PM »

Forgot to clock in ,, but remembered to clock out ,,

Was she coming in late each of these days ? since that's is something that people do when they are late ,,

as to the rest sorry cant help ,,

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« Reply #49 on: 01-08-20, 09:28PM »
Staff sometimes forget i do to she is confused because shes never had a day off and he deducted 3 days those 3 days she was on day off he UA 800 anothet she worked again UA 800 and another day forgot to clock out and again UA 800 he told her its to do with her days off should make no difference to basic pay

 

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