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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #25 on: 16-01-19, 08:54AM »
The 2018 pay rise was in 2 parts one rise on July 1st (+16p on established rate to £8.18) and another on 18th November (3% on base rate and skills payments taking established b/c grade to £8.42)

In our newsletter in our canteen it says that negotiations are due to start and that they are trying to negotiate a ‘substantial’ increase in base rate and also an increase in night premiums

Not seen this newsletter but how many times have we been told we are getting a "substantial increase" and all you heard of on this forum was weekend staff losing money. They will have to go some to even match the discounters in base rate. As for the night premiums they have remained the same.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #26 on: 16-01-19, 01:46PM »
"Substantial increase"  :D - heard it all before. USDAW are completely useless - all they're interested in is running soppy conferences for their loyal activists,  or spending YOUR money lobbying for a Labour government. Our pay rises are directly linked to increases in the NLW - and you don't need USDAW for that.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #27 on: 16-01-19, 04:34PM »
The 2018 pay rise was in 2 parts one rise on July 1st (+16p on established rate to £8.18) and another on 18th November (3% on base rate and skills payments taking established b/c grade to £8.42)

In our newsletter in our canteen it says that negotiations are due to start and that they are trying to negotiate a ‘substantial’ increase in base rate and also an increase in night premiums

Wait, I'm supposed to get paid £8.42? my December AND latest 11th January  payslips both say my pay is £8.131 and before that I was getting paid £7.894 hour?

This is my 4th month with tesco, lets just say since my wage went up to £8.131 its been a LOT busier and less staff, I now do the WHOLE general merch department all on my own 80% of my shift! (I only work Mondays paid for 7 hours for my 2pm to 10pm shift with 1 hour break - can't work more then 16 hours/earn more then £125 in a week as I'm registered disabled and not ready to move full time) but now I find its supposed to be £8.42!

I do actually enjoy being busy (as long I know what I'm doing and its doable), it helps keep my mind off things to do with my mental health, and boosts my confidence and I feel worthwhile... but NOT if I'm getting underpaid for it and 2 staff who used to help on my shift all left and another doesn't start until after my break so I have to restock the WHOLE area myself from 2pm until 8pm then someone else comes in.  I barely get it done by 9:40pm so only have 20 minutes to do the tidy up when normally I'm supposed to start that at 8:30pm until I finish at 10pm.

Also aren't usdaw supposed to making tesco increase it £10 hour minimum?

definitely no newsletters or anything at my Tesco about this pay rise.

I don't mind working as long its fair pay, especially working 2pm to 10pm then going home in the dark to the tram or bus stop with known crimes in area.

My shift is non stop on your feet back for only £8.131 hour (8 hour day but 7 hour pay as 1 hour unpaid break) AND they close down the staff canteen at 2pm now, so I have to pay for food from the shop floor so during my break customers can hassle me while I get something to eat that can be microwaved, no more cheap dinners or anything for evening/night staff!

Sorry for my little rant, its related to this forum post as I seem to be underpaid.

My payslip says:
hours 7.00
hourly pay 8.131

none seem to match everyone else's !


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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #28 on: 16-01-19, 05:29PM »
Starter rate is now £8.13...established rate is £8.42. When you have been with the company 3 months you will automatically get the increase and go onto established rate.
If you are in your 4th month now you will go over to established rate anytime now and will be issued with a new contract to state this.
Hope that helps clear it up  :)

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #29 on: 16-01-19, 07:29PM »
Obviously USDAW's role (well one of their many so-called roles) is to negotiate a package for their members (and other staff) including pay and conditions.
Of course they may have stated an aim to push our basic pay to £10 - maybe it was to garner more members to join them.

Ultimately, as someone said - at the basic level - our pay will only track any increases in NLW. And for anyone still getting any sort of premiums, in the future, we're all aware these will be under pressure.

Then again - with the current mess with B***X*T, who knows what the future will hold.

As for "pay rise" - it's generally called a pay review - and in terms of the timing - I remember this two year deal we've just had was "leaked" early - so was announced in Feb 2017 but didn't get implemented until Nov 2017 - so even if USDAW are working hard on the negotiations now it doesn't mean we'll get any increase any sooner.

To be honest - even though I have earlier predicted that the next pay rise wouldn't happen until November 2019 - if we read the letter of the last agreement - it stated it was a 2 year deal - which should have commenced in July 2017 - but the first tranche was pushed back to Nov 2017 to allow a better overall deal for everyone - so in theory the real end of the two year deal is June/July 2019 - so unless they use the same tactics again - in theory we should be due a "review" from July this year. Whether that review will see an increase is anyone's guess.




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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #30 on: 17-01-19, 12:58AM »
Starter rate is now £8.13...established rate is £8.42. When you have been with the company 3 months you will automatically get the increase and go onto established rate.
If you are in your 4th month now you will go over to established rate any time now and will be issued with a new contract to state this.
Hope that helps clear it up  :)

AH! thanks a lot as nobody told me this! I knew the £7.894 was starter rate but wasn't told this would increase so I assumed it increased as I reached the 3rd month etc. - now to see WHEN I get the updated contract..

I just found my current contract now, interesting... it says I officially started on 23rd October 2018 yet my first day was 20th with induction and training and did a full shift 22nd but I got paid for both days so no issue technically.. but I didn't get it to sign until the 12th November after 5 or 6 shifts (doing 1 day a week but already got offered overtime one week), I remember it got to point where I was getting concerned by my manager as no proof I was working there who promised me every time "contract will be ready next day your in" and the DWP were on my arse as I'm on benefits and said "if you don't provide proof you are working less then 16 hours we will stop all your payments", especially as I got uniform and badge end of 1st week. he is a nice guy but soooo distracted and forgets everything, had to remind him about something 6 times during one shift about something he was supposed to do for a few of us and I wasn't the only one reminding him haha.  mind you a new manger took over now as he has left on leave for a few months.

lol

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #31 on: 17-01-19, 05:14AM »
Some managers are notorious when it comes to paperwork. I know for a fact that following the November 2018 pay rise (and subsequent new contract) that my store is still waiting for over 100 contracts to be returned to HR.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #32 on: 17-01-19, 05:20PM »
taken from Usdaw Facebook page
Previous poster mentioned the £10 an hour pledge - but let's face it, it's just a "campaign" which is unlikely to come to Fruition - especially anytime before 2020 anyway.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #33 on: 17-01-19, 05:33PM »
What is the "right to normal hours contract" about? 

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #34 on: 17-01-19, 06:02PM »
I don't know for sure.....but I assume it's "the same hours every week" - rather than......16 hours when Tesco need you rather than what suits the employee?

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #35 on: 17-01-19, 08:12PM »
Global Moderator Comment Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).

I agree, I just assume it means something like NOT what Christmas temp had to do, work 9am to 2pm, then go home, and come back in at 8pm that same evening until midnight, he had NO choice in what hours to work other then set hours for the week, he was told sometimes hour or 2 before "can you come in to do your shift"

so I assume its what suits the employee NOT the employer.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #36 on: 26-10-20, 09:08AM »
anyone have any ideas when the next pay review will take place now we are on the full amount from the last review.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #37 on: 26-10-20, 09:45AM »
If Ken Murphy carries on the same pattern as Lewis, a 2 year pay review announced in June/ July, first to take place in July/August and 2nd October/November the year after, they're now trying to save money by keeping the dates when the rise happens closer to the mandatory national living wage increases in april so they don't pay more than they have to over an extended period and to give them an idea of how much they can raise it by to keep it just above living wage.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #38 on: 25-11-20, 01:01PM »
Was announced on the news today that due to Coronavirus, economic forecasting looks dire around the country, with pay freezes for NHS workers and increases of just 18p per hour to the national living wage rather than the expected 49p per hour increase next April making the new living wage £8.90 an hour rather than the expected £9.21. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-spending-review-uk-economy-b1761574.html)

Part of the Lewis era strategy of saving on the wage bill (apart from the obvious cuts to the pension plan and streamlining of roles) was introducing 2 year staggered pay reviews, a significant pay increase typically between June and August in the 1st year and a minimal increase the 2nd year between September and October, sometimes with a stinger in the interim (a 16p increase for a downgrade of time and a half rates for sunday/bank holiday premium for example), typically to keep wages as close to the estimated living wage that would be announced just before April the next year and enforced in April.

When the pay review happened for the 30p increase just received in October to £9.30, the higher ups thought that the national living wage would increase in April to £9.21, not £8.90, so with this being the case and the statement from Ken Murphy (the new CEO) being that his strategy is to "maintain momentum" in the business and not to detract from Lewis's strategy, an educated guess on the outlook of the next pay review are for it to be substantially worse than the last one with the justification of Coronaviruses effects on the economy and that they're already paying significantly above the national living wage (by 40p when the next review is announced).

So with this being the case, I think the next review will see another staggered 2 year pay review, the first being a 15p increase to take effect in July/August, An interim increase of 20p per hour in May/June the year after to fund Sunday and Bank holiday premium going to a flat rate and a final increase of 15p in October/November (I would also guess that they would increase night premiums by a few pence as well, despite the bleak outlook, it hasn't had an increase in years.)
« Last Edit: 25-11-20, 01:05PM by NightAndDay »

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #39 on: 25-11-20, 01:33PM »
That's a very detailed Guesstimate there NightandDay.

I don't disagree with most of what you say......

However, I would expect the first staged payment not to take place as early as July/Aug 2021 - I think it will be "as usual" Oct/Nov 2021.

Also, I wonder if they will stick to the two-year deals of the past few years - given the uncertainty - they might just do what the Govt have done - do a one year deal and see where we are next year.

Given the fact that the current rate of £9.30 is 39p above the new NLW - it could even be argued that Tesco don't have an increase at all until the start of 2022.

If we assume that maybe recovery in the economy will take place over the next 14-18 months - in that case, we might expect the NLW to increase from 8.91 to 9.20 in April 2022.

Therefore our current 9.30 would still be above it.

So maybe, pushing it up to £9.50 in Jan 2022 - and at the same time removing the Sunday/BH premiums -

Of course, as well as the NLW I'm sure Tesco take account of other supermarket's rates of pay.....

At the moment, we're all pretty much around the same mark - so from that point of view, Tesco don't need to be overly generous to us.


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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #40 on: 25-11-20, 02:10PM »
I have been informed by a union rep that first aid pay is changing. Express stores, and possibly Metros, receive a one off yearly payment and I don't have any information about those formats. Other formats receive a flat payment of £5.50 per week. The company now wants to pay colleagues 17 pence per hour instead. Not sure if the payment is included in with any overtime or just contracted.
I should point out that it might not be £5.50 per week at the minute, I'm not at work so can't double check.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #41 on: 25-11-20, 03:54PM »
I can confirm this and have read the letter, rather than a £55 payment every July (for the level 2 first aider qualification), it is now 17p an hour extra for all hours worked (including overtime), due to the way holiday pay works (the minimum being contracted rate, the most being the average of your past 12 weeks of pay), this would in most cases include the 17p per hour supplement.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #42 on: 25-11-20, 09:45PM »
I've also had the letter and it states based on my current average hours worked I'll be better off.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #43 on: 26-11-20, 12:12AM »
It's a fairer system overall, why should a first aider who works 8 hours a week be paid the same as a full time employee, the one who works longer hours is more likely to have to use their training on someone.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #44 on: 26-11-20, 02:42PM »
Better if it's included in your hourly rate

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #45 on: 26-11-20, 02:54PM »
In most cases it would be a pointless distinction, you'd only be able to tell if it's included in bonus calculations or if you go off sick or if you go on holiday straight after the pay change.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #46 on: 19-01-21, 01:34PM »
So Aldi giving there staff who worked three years and over a pay rise that will mean they will be on over £10 an hour how will Tesco respond???

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #47 on: 19-01-21, 01:48PM »
Why should they respond?


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« Reply #48 on: 19-01-21, 02:25PM »
Morrisons are increasing their pay to £10 an hour in April, if Aldi are following suit then there would need to be strong justification for Tesco etc not to follow suit, there's the PR side of it and then there's the competitive element of it, there are and will always be people that will take a job at Tesco, but if there's anything that gives another reason for the current employees, especially experienced hires to jump ship to a competitor, then that could cause problems.

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Re: New pay rise
« Reply #49 on: 19-01-21, 02:33PM »
f*** no i dont want a f****ng payrise, as i know if they do go with £10 an hour they will cut sunday premium and ill be getting less then than im getting now