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Title: Managers pay
Post by: Decco1 on 14-04-19, 10:44AM
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Post by: DJL on 14-04-19, 11:09AM
Huge questions, although the bands have been reduced they are still quite complicated.

All based on store turnover and the role, length of time in job ect

If your a newly signed off manager and have met review, you should get decent pay rise % this year
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Post by: whatajoke2019 on 14-04-19, 07:41PM
If you've been recently signed off, congratulations, as I was starting to think a CA taking the next step was a myth  ???.
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Post by: NightAndDay on 14-04-19, 08:27PM
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Post by: Mrs sparrow on 14-04-19, 09:16PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 14-04-19, 09:24PM
Mrs Sparrow, if you don't mind me asking, how much are you on? Shift Leaders who work Sundays full time are on 20k a year, with a bit of overtime, they can easily make 22k a year, department managers being the next step up should be on at least 24k a year (unless you're on options and haven't been signed off meaning you'll be on 90% of 24k a year).
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Thailand on 14-04-19, 10:16PM
Your numbers are out massively,line managers start on 22k and lead on 30k,night line managers 22k plus 4100premium,lead night 30k plus 5100 premium.Store managers of superstore up start on 44k and will increase with the higher category store your in,each store has a pay bad for each role and if your above the pay band and get a met review you wont get a pay rise until the pay band catches up to your pay,people partners are on same pay bracket as lead managers and would start on 30k
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Post by: TheHound on 14-04-19, 10:17PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 14-04-19, 10:44PM
People partner is the rebranding of Personel Manager, and they have to know enough about employment law to protect the company, ideally they would have a CIPD accredited degree in Human Resources or similar (that would make them worth the high 40's-50) they also have to balance the interests of the company with resolving issues amongst staff in a way where everybody is satisfied with the outcome.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: optout on 15-04-19, 01:02AM
in my experience they s*** on staff more often than a budgie does on sandpaper. (anyone for cuttlefish?).
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 15-04-19, 01:30AM
Im on the higher end of the scale but I don't just live in my department box. If staff in dot com have an issue I help them ie a holiday query etc or sickness that needs covered in dairy I will try to sort it if the manager isn't around. Some managers don't do a thing for other deprtments then wonder why they are still on 21k.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TheHound on 15-04-19, 06:18AM
People partner is the rebranding of Personel Manager, and they have to know enough about employment law to protect the company, ideally they would have a CIPD accredited degree in Human Resources or similar (that would make them worth the high 40's-50) they also have to balance the interests of the company with resolving issues amongst staff in a way where everybody is satisfied with the outcome.

Ah, the old Pointless Managers. The only people who do even less work than department managers. Which in itself is quite an achievement.

We have one who turns up ever couple of weeks, sits on her backside in the office for an afternoon, and manages - pun intended - to leave without talking to any real workers. Last time she was here, her sole contribution was to put up the notice telling staff about how the Rest Bite is being closed down and we can all live off microwave food. Yeah, she really earned her wage that day!
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Mangomuncher on 15-04-19, 06:28AM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 15-04-19, 09:25AM
Shift leaders going from Express to department managers at superstore start on 24k a year (after completion of their options trial which should last 3 months, during which they recieve 90% of their salary (21.6k).

I'd imagine department managers being paid 22.5k must be only applicable in Metro stores because 24k is the minimum in superstore (any lower and it wouldn't be worth going from Shift Leader to Department Manager).
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Decco1 on 15-04-19, 01:44PM
Thank you for all your responses. Interesting to finally get some info
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: forrestgimp on 15-04-19, 06:37PM
When did they start paying options candidates?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Mangomuncher on 15-04-19, 08:04PM
Shift leaders going from Express to department managers at superstore start on 24k a year (after completion of their options trial which should last 3 months, during which they recieve 90% of their salary (21.6k).

I'd imagine department managers being paid 22.5k must be only applicable in Metro stores because 24k is the minimum in superstore (any lower and it wouldn't be worth going from Shift Leader to Department Manager).
I'm in superstore and every bottom manager is on 22.5... I know people in extras starting on 24...
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TechSupporter on 16-04-19, 03:18AM
@Forestgimp. Options candidates are only paid at 90% of sign off rate whilst they are on placement and delivering a manager role. They wouldn't be paid this month to simply complete a few works shops etc.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: filling-machine on 24-04-19, 02:18AM
Manager pay varies wildly from individual to individual. I'm in an 800k Superstore and our night lead gets 46k plus night premium, there will be others in very similar stores who'll be on 15k less.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: blitz on 25-04-19, 06:35PM
Coz he's old skool :)
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: forrestgimp on 25-04-19, 07:28PM
Manager pay varies wildly from individual to individual. I'm in an 800k Superstore and our night lead gets 46k plus night premium, there will be others in very similar stores who'll be on 15k less.

Good job they are laying off people on less than 10k a year then who actually work.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Kingdong on 26-04-19, 07:46PM
F**k managers pay rises.  What about us normal workers especially night shift, get screwed over all the time with pay rise.  And as for our 2.56% bonus, think it's a joke.  Company is making billions and that's what we get.  F**k the colleagues Drastic says.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: DJL on 26-04-19, 08:03PM
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Post by: H20 on 26-04-19, 10:50PM
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Post by: Hammer10 on 27-04-19, 02:05AM
Any manager who is above the current pay scale do not get pay rises anymore until they are aligned with the new scale.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: filling-machine on 27-04-19, 07:50AM
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Manager pay varies wildly from individual to individual. I'm in an 800k Superstore and our night lead gets 46k plus night premium, there will be others in very similar stores who'll be on 15k less.

Good job they are laying off people on less than 10k a year then who actually work.

Tbf he works his ar*e off, but I'm sure others on lower salaries work just as hard. As mentioned elsewhere, a lot depends on service / experience - he's been a night manager for 25 years.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TechSupporter on 27-04-19, 08:27AM
Any manager who is above the current pay scale do not get pay rises anymore until they are aligned with the new scale.

That was 2 pay negotiations ago. Back when almost half the pay rise pot was given to newly signed off managers and anyone above that was frozen...

Last pay rise L bandings were removed after the management consultancy company advised that the pay caps were pissing experienced managers off and causing Tesco a fair amount of brain drain.

Last pay rise for managers was for everyone equally across the board.,..

This pay rise is being negotiated as we speak. It's on the weekly planners that it's being worked on with any outcome due in (July? Sorry for my poor memory...)

Pay rises across the board are fair. Long terms managers tend to be more experienced and knowledgeable and have earned higher wages through performance. Anyone s*** would have had missed reviews and be on the same rate for the year coming - far from the views in this forum managers generally aren't rewarded for failure...
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: 5fdp on 27-04-19, 08:50AM
Well said techsupporter. Failure is not rewarded. A Mgr can sometimes remain on the exact same pay for sometime. In theory they are meant to get 'managed' to become performers but who has time. In the past they just moved stores and they had another year of poor performance and the losing store was happy to see the back of them.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-04-19, 11:34AM
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Post by: Overworked1 on 27-04-19, 11:50AM
I don't know but the night TMs in our place are the biggest waste of money ever never on the shopfloor.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 27-04-19, 01:30PM
I don't know but the night TMs in our place are the biggest waste of money ever never on the shopfloor.

What's funny is when good shop floor staff become managers they suddenly realise how much gets done away from the shop floor.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 27-04-19, 04:24PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 27-04-19, 04:36PM
So you think the night managers job is to fill an aisle all night long?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Rick grimes on 27-04-19, 09:50PM
What else is there to do if they don't fill.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: T2019sackallmanagers on 27-04-19, 10:45PM
Yes! At least 80% of their shift should be filling and supporting colleagues in achieving a fill. All three night managers we had were useless tosspots who just stayed in the office on facebook and looking for cheap deals on holidays abroad because of their outrageous salaries whilst the GA'S worked their guts off for peanuts dreaming of a holiday to butlins if they was lucky to with the penny's they were given! Tesco should sack 90% of management and raise the GA wage.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Redshoes on 28-04-19, 11:03AM
A manager should not be judged on filling shelves and is not in job description. In reality this is what happens though. A grocery manager should not work an aisle but should be checking on team, looking for trade opportunities, then all the rota, holidays part of job. They will be duty too and as often quiet at night they have that side of things to do too. How many managers in will depend on size of store but unless an extra it will probably be only one. I work in a superstore and there are only six eight managers in total, the store does not have a night team and in the mornings and evenings there is generally only one manager in and depending on hols etc there can be only one in all day. They don't need to spend all the time in the office, and shouldn't but they are not paid to fill shelves but most stores seem to run very tight on the grocery team so have to.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: T2019sackallmanagers on 28-04-19, 11:38AM
A manager should be judged and shall be judged, that's what they're paid stupid money for! If a manager can't show a GA how to fill a aisle quickly, but can bark it, then as a manager you have failed! Biggest part of being a great manager is proving it can be done and also working as a team to get the job done! Sitting in a office all night then come out if it when the morning duty manager has arrived is no way to run a team. A manager is expected to do everything and more and that's the whole reason they are paid three times as much as the GA.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 28-04-19, 12:41PM
They're definitely not paid 3x a full time ga, that's basically 49k a year they won't get that (unless they're top end express SM level or senior staff manager/entry superstore sm level). Most department managers nowadays are probably on just under double what a full time GA's on.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 28-04-19, 12:53PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: T2019sackallmanagers on 28-04-19, 04:04PM
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A night lead team manager is on 48k. A department manager is on 34k. Depends on how long your manager has been a manager. A new appointed manager may be on less.

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Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 28-04-19, 04:34PM
Oh please, you have literally chosen one of the highest paid lead management positions in a store in order to justify your silly claims, the vast majority of managers are no where near that figure. 

There are some store managers getting around 6 digits i.e. 100k. but it would be absolutely delusional  to then say management get 6 times what GA's get, as it's clearly not representative of the various levels of management in a store.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: BRG1992 on 31-05-19, 05:39AM
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Post by: Call me on 31-05-19, 07:36AM
You sir obviously , is not a team player. 
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TechSupporter on 31-05-19, 07:56AM
A night lead team manager is on 48k. A department manager is on 34k. Depends on how long your manager has been a manager. A new appointed manager may be on less.

Yikes. I think this guys post is just to inflame a bit of banter against the management team and spread a bit of disinformation, next thing you'll see is our guys on the shop floor "Yeah I saw this guy on the internet who said this! It must be true!!!"

You'll get the occasional 48K night manager composed of night premiums and potentially someone who was displaced at a group level and got that position but kept Salary. That's a big stretch! More likely they have 50 years of service  :D

32K used to be the very absolute top pay bracket but inline with the last management consultation with an external company this was lifted, no idea what to. As I mentioned before this co-incided with the L bands being simplified across the business, if you don't know what they are and are a WL1 manager then get in contact with your people partner who can give you information that won't be butchered because I don't remember  :thumbup:.

The last pay rise a year ago, every manager got it. Even top paid - one last thing to note is that Pharmacy managers are also WL1 but get crazy ammounts above 32K, so there is scope in that band for higher.

Manager pay is a taboo in Tesco, and it really shouldn't be. The more information is out there and the better informed everyone is the more talent is going to push through for better rewards, motivate Great GA's to move on and encourage better collective bargaining.
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Post by: Preacherpauly on 31-05-19, 07:56AM
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Post by: stacker62 on 31-05-19, 08:27AM
Why have a go at night managers! They certainly earn their pay at my store! Unlike Day managers especially senior team who are not worth their wages! Quick to criticise bit can't do the job themselves! They are a complete waste of money.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lordadmiral on 31-05-19, 09:14AM
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Post by: Dontbelieveaword on 31-05-19, 10:40AM
A manager in my store who has always received a MET (green) hasn't had a pay rise for the last 4 years.  Surely this is discrimination as they had received previous pay rises based on performance and has over 30 years in the company.  How do the company reward these managers if they are on performance related pay.  Who would want to be a manager in Tesco nowadays.
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Post by: NightAndDay on 31-05-19, 10:52AM
What sort of managers would be in the 70-80k a year bracket? I'm just comparing with other industries.
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Post by: Overworked1 on 31-05-19, 11:58AM
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Post by: Mangomuncher on 01-06-19, 12:13PM
I don't know but the night TMs in our place are the biggest waste of money ever never on the shopfloor.

What's funny is when good shop floor staff become managers they suddenly realise how much gets done away from the shop floor.
I worked my arse off through three replacements ...
I still work my arse off doing 11 hour days on average 6 days a week (admittedly Sunday is paid)
... funny that I had a staff member complain other day I want filling shop floor ... I spoke to them about my day they was gobsmacked at my workload.
Some mangers do have it easy ... most don't
I would rather have the pleasure to be able to come in and fill all day ... my work life would be so much easier
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Twinkeltoes1 on 01-06-19, 05:26PM
Why would any person with any common sense work 11 hr days, if it cannot be completed in 8hrs then leave it, that's what I did on many occasion, sorry but loyalty works both ways and as far as Tesco is concerned  they demand loyalty but don't give it down the chain. You are not thought of any more by 11hr shifts and please don't bring out old adage about its  down to pride.
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Post by: Overworked1 on 01-06-19, 05:41PM
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Post by: Teddybonkers on 01-06-19, 06:18PM
Why would any person with any common sense work 11 hr days, if it cannot be completed in 8hrs then leave it, that's what I did on many occasion, sorry but loyalty works both ways and as far as Tesco is concerned  they demand loyalty but don't give it down the chain. You are not thought of any more by 11hr shifts and please don't bring out old adage about its  down to pride..

Brainwashed?
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Post by: Lostrebel on 10-06-19, 07:07PM
Would anyone have any ball park figures for new team managers, lead team and store managers starting wage?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-06-19, 07:12PM
Team Managers 22k a year (20.8k a year on options),  Express Store Manager 26k a year (23.4k a year on options) Lead Manager 28k a year.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TheHound on 10-06-19, 07:58PM
I don't know but the night TMs in our place are the biggest waste of money ever never on the shopfloor.

What's funny is when good shop floor staff become managers they suddenly realise how much gets done away from the shop floor.
I worked my arse off through three replacements ...
I still work my arse off doing 11 hour days on average 6 days a week (admittedly Sunday is paid)
... funny that I had a staff member complain other day I want filling shop floor ... I spoke to them about my day they was gobsmacked at my workload.
Some mangers do have it easy ... most don't
I would rather have the pleasure to be able to come in and fill all day ... my work life would be so much easier


Fat people and cripples and can be managers. Fat people and cripples couldn't fill for more than a few hours, at most.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 10-06-19, 08:45PM
You after taking Vladputins crown or are you him with a new alias.....at least Vlad's quite funny at times with his ' near the knuckle" comments.....you are just an ignorant troll :-X
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 10-06-19, 09:02PM
I have seen plenty of fat/crippled filling all shift.
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Post by: overworkedexpresslad on 10-06-19, 09:04PM
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Post by: Overworked1 on 10-06-19, 09:07PM
Why work when a few daft shift leaders will pick up the slack.
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Post by: NightAndDay on 10-06-19, 09:30PM
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Post by: Overworked1 on 10-06-19, 10:15PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 10-06-19, 10:31PM
Cat 1 stores are basically newsagents (and that's where starting 26k a year SMs will likely be located) Cat 4 Esso Alliance fuel stores can take as much as superstores yet have 10% of the staff.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: blitz on 13-06-19, 06:46PM
Cat have been replaced with band
a b c d e f cat 10 now = band a

There are details sitting on g drive hidden away :)

Store I was at previous was  band b  pay range not including location planning was 21000 to 31500
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lackofinterest on 13-06-19, 06:57PM
i keep telling people they must be mad to go for a shift leader role. if they don't listen then more fool them! no sympathy! >:D
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Post by: Smiler on 13-06-19, 11:23PM
I have seen plenty of fat/crippled filling all shift.
Personally I would have put it as 'overweight/disabled'.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Smiler on 13-06-19, 11:29PM
You after taking Vladputins crown or are you him with a new alias.....at least Vlad's quite funny at times with his ' near the knuckle" comments.....you are just an ignorant troll :-X
Totally agree with you. So ignorant and very rude
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Post by: Overworked1 on 13-06-19, 11:40PM
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Post by: Nomad on 14-06-19, 10:40AM
Administrator Comment Managers pay
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Post by: chris9997 on 14-06-19, 11:19AM
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Post by: Toscoinsider on 14-06-19, 08:02PM
I know this is unrelated to the subject but I am about to go on an express sm placement and was unsure whether I should continue to wear tesco uniform or now wear my own smart clothes like all the sm do on my group????
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Post by: DJL on 14-06-19, 08:07PM
Dress up to the role Toscoinsider
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Post by: Overworked1 on 14-06-19, 08:27PM
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Post by: penguin on 14-06-19, 10:33PM
I know this is unrelated to the subject but I am about to go on an express sm placement and was unsure whether I should continue to wear tesco uniform or now wear my own smart clothes like all the sm do on my group????

Own smart clothes.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Emsosaro1 on 18-06-19, 05:34PM
 I am a night manager and have been told I am above my pay band, I have asked to see what my pay band is but have been told I am not allowed to see this. This is the problem, so cloak and dagger am I being conned.
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Post by: DJL on 18-06-19, 05:43PM
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Post by: 5fdp on 19-06-19, 07:19AM
The pay bands used to be printed every year. Anyway payrise for managers this year is 2.7%. The bonus maybe upto 8% of your salary next year. But obviously the criteria will be harder to achieve.  Don't take out drawings on that summer house just yet.
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Post by: Overworked1 on 19-06-19, 08:34AM
Because you might need to keep you last coin for a tent and pitch.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 19-06-19, 02:46PM
The pay bands used to be printed every year. Anyway payrise for managers this year is 2.7%. The bonus maybe upto 8% of your salary next year. But obviously the criteria will be harder to achieve.  Don't take out drawings on that summer house just yet.
Where did you hear about the bonus?
What will happen now is managers refusing to help other departments. Checkouts wont get relief calls answered and vice versa. Departments that can't fail ie dot com will be easy to get the bonus. The departments at the bottom of the chain won't stand a chance.
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Post by: Pmjd84 on 19-06-19, 03:37PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 19-06-19, 04:42PM
Managers pay negotiations is a bit different to ca pay negotiations because they're not forced to give a rise because of nlw legislation. Saying that though they do have to keep pay differentials in mind, now looking at what they've done with night premiums and the fact that as a Shift Leader in Express i've earned >22k a year (more than some Team Managers) it's safe to assume that they're not too fussed about it.
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Post by: Overworked1 on 19-06-19, 09:20PM
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Post by: Welshie on 20-06-19, 05:19PM
@overworked,  is that definitely going to fresh morning/grocery twilight  fill, or what you think will happen ? If definitely,  when were they told and what size store are you ?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 20-06-19, 05:58PM
@overworked,  is that definitely going to fresh morning/grocery twilight  fill, or what you think will happen ? If definitely,  when were they told and what size store are you ?

Some store are going to twilight. Just some. No one has been told. Superstore.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Nightworker23 on 20-06-19, 06:06PM
@overworked,  is that definitely going to fresh morning/grocery twilight  fill, or what you think will happen ? If definitely,  when were they told and what size store are you ?

Some store are going to twilight. Just some. No one has been told. Superstore.
If no one's been told, how do you know your sore is changing?
What's the turnover of your store?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: T2019sackallmanagers on 20-06-19, 06:15PM
@overworked,  is that definitely going to fresh morning/grocery twilight  fill, or what you think will happen ? If definitely,  when were they told and what size store are you ?

Some store are going to twilight. Just some. No one has been told. Superstore.
If no one's been told, how do you know your sore is changing?
What's the turnover of your store?
Store turnover has nothing to do with it. My store was a superstore turning over 800k a week and they still made it twilight's. The initial twilight's green light was given from the area managers to see which stores they thought would cope best at the transition. They got some right but most stores they got wrong and have been suffering evr since.
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Post by: Overworked1 on 20-06-19, 06:21PM
Thanks t2019. I was told it will be happening. Not saying my source. Someone will leak the changes in more detail soon undercover.  :)
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Post by: Nightworker23 on 20-06-19, 06:50PM
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Post by: Morris999 on 20-06-19, 07:03PM
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Post by: Overworked1 on 20-06-19, 07:24PM
Administrator Comment Can we return to 'Managers pay'. Nomad.
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Post by: The hooch on 20-06-19, 11:40PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 20-06-19, 11:59PM
I think for Drastic Dave to live up to his moniker, he'll replace TMs with SL's, treat lead team the same as Express SM's (26k a year starting salary) and look at utilising dual site/cluster manager positions more for the same increase in salary for an SM as night premium for a night TM.
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Post by: Decco1 on 21-06-19, 06:33AM
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Post by: Decco1 on 21-06-19, 06:37AM
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Post by: lucgeo on 21-06-19, 08:06AM
Which is what most people have been saying for years....senior lead and SM's are costing each store payroll a fortune, so to support this, there are no CA 's on shopfloor so not there for the customer. The stores are top heavy with managers who are mustard in the multiskill required to hold a phone to one ear and drink costa together. One senior works every Sunday, probably earning more that day, then I did in a week, and she doesn't know how to use a PDA. :-X

I would love to see a cluster meeting of senior managers and SM's where they are suprised by being presented with a list of questions and a PDA. Each question would be on a specific dept, including their own,  with a common problem or routine to do, either solving or using the PDA if required. The ones who scored 100% would be kept on their overinflated salaries  and the ones whose % was less would lose their salary by that amount of %.

If team managers step down, then what do they step down to, as there are no full time positions anymore, so do they have to take flexi low hours or are they protected somehow??
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Post by: TheHound on 21-06-19, 08:21AM
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Post by: Decco1 on 21-06-19, 09:02AM
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Post by: londoner83 on 21-06-19, 10:12AM
The only way DL will increase managers pay is to trim the management head count. As I've posted countless times why on a busy Sunday can a store run with 3 TMs or 2 TMs and 1 ST, on a far quieter Tuesday do you need 1 SM, 3 ST and 15+TM,
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 21-06-19, 10:28AM
Oh, I know, I know  8-)

It's because in the week, when it's quiet, they have numerous meetings, to discuss plan of action till the next meeting in an hour.....handover meetings when nothing of importance is actually passed on such as who's called in sick, what stock hasn't been worked, who needs a RTW. And all these pointless meetings, means there's no time to do training, no time to actually work on their depts, but on the plus side...as the meetings are so regular, colleagues get a chance to actually do their job, or as was often the case in my store, managers headed for the office, colleagues headed for the canteen or smoke area  ;)

Sunday's they've got nothing to say, just there to grab the inflated wage...one TM used to work every Sunday possible as duty, then spent the day reading the Sunday papers and watching telly....but they were always protected by the staff....as he always stood up for them....the atmosphere was brilliant and everyone pulled together and got the job done  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 21-06-19, 11:13AM
Which is what most people have been saying for years....senior lead and SM's are costing each store payroll a fortune, so to support this, there are no CA 's on shop floor so not there for the customer. The stores are top heavy with managers who are mustard in the multiskill required to hold a phone to one ear and drink costa together. One senior works every Sunday, probably earning more that day, then I did in a week, and she doesn't know how to use a PDA. :-X

I would love to see a cluster meeting of senior managers and SM's where they are surprised by being presented with a list of questions and a PDA. Each question would be on a specific dept, including their own,  with a common problem or routine to do, either solving or using the PDA if required. The ones who scored 100% would be kept on their overinflated salaries  and the ones whose % was less would lose their salary by that amount of %.

If team managers step down, then what do they step down to, as there are no full time positions any more, so do they have to take flexi low hours or are they protected somehow??

SM and lead managers job is not to do the routines and unless they have been a ga or team manager on that department I would not expect them to know the ins and out functions of a pda.

I could not tell you the first thing about how to do moneygramme at the service desk the desk staff or their manager would know this. However I can easily deal with a customer complaint about a product who has come to the desk for a return and wants further explanation. 

I can do every routine that my ga's do in my department but again they do not come to me when they have refilled the department pointing out 2 loafs of bread were found with an older date in the backstock. They will come and tell me when 2 dollies of stock are found at the back with newer at the front or already on the shop floor.

Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 21-06-19, 11:36AM
So what is their job??

To use an example of someone coming to you about 2 loaves of bread being OOC is a poor example.

The CSD are able to deal with a customer complaint and fully explaining the reason, if the customer chooses to go higher, then the duty manager is called, which is rarely senior team.

I would expect someone, who is trying to b*****k me for not doing my job correctly, to actually know what that job entails, and to be able to point out my mistake by showing me where I have gone wrong or what I haven't done right using the systems I used, to warrant that reprimand. And not just b*****k me because they can.....especially when they have no understanding of what they're taking about  :-X
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 21-06-19, 11:56AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 21-06-19, 12:02PM
I wasn't talking about a reprimand for something.

The lead should have an overview of all their departments. So a catch up with the produce manager about their impending range change any big issues on it yes/no enough staff for it as a slightly higher workload than normal.  how are your rotas the next few weeks.
Identify problems before the day they happen "well bob is off for surgery for  2 weeks when is he back ok and will he be on the department straight away"?

"no" he is unlikely to be able to lift for 3 weeks after

"ok whats the plan to cover it etc.


rince and repeat for each department. They wouldn't be concerned about smaller issues in the department.

Equally that lead manager when catching up with the SM wouldn't mention much about 2 hours extra for the promotion change but might update the SM about a colleague swap between Bob and a checkout operator for 3 weeks just to keep them in the loop.

That is all rough examples however I agree with an earlier post of yours that this does not happen from many lead managers or even the department managers thinking that far ahead.

An observation of mine is alot of leads have got there from an easier route up through the manager roles. I'm sure I was told years ago that you had to do 3 manager roles before being considered for lead. But now it is sometimes 1 or 2 and often avoiding the difficult departments to deliver on.  Customer service and PI being stand out protected departments that alot of Leads have come from then suddenly they are trade lead managers without a clue. (many have openly admitted that in conversations PMs being the stand outs for this easyier route up.)
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-06-19, 12:17PM
Past planning, organising and adapting to unexpected events, the managers role can be done with a scheduler. In fact the technology already exists to sort things out like short notice overtime and awols. Managers in retail are at this point obsolete, all the role serves to do is inflate the egos and arrogance of these 19-21 year olds who have little in the way of formal qualifications or life experience elsewhere.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 21-06-19, 12:25PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 21-06-19, 12:28PM
Overworked can I ask what happens in the store with no managers but lots of gas. will everyone naturally go and fill an aisle. Who takes the heavy juice aisle and who takes the crisps aisle? 
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 21-06-19, 12:58PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 21-06-19, 01:21PM
How do we solve getting rid of managers?, by replacing them with essentially a new management role.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-06-19, 01:51PM
When I was a Shift Leader, I was paid 23.5k in 1 year (from all the break payments and overtime), Shift Leaders, especially with this pay raise we're getting in September, can easily surpass bottom rung TM's salary of 22k year.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 21-06-19, 02:00PM
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Post by: madness on 21-06-19, 02:06PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 21-06-19, 04:04PM
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Post by: Overworked1 on 21-06-19, 04:08PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: forrestgimp on 21-06-19, 07:18PM
The pay bands used to be printed every year. Anyway payrise for managers this year is 2.7%. The bonus maybe upto 8% of your salary next year. But obviously the criteria will be harder to achieve.  Don't take out drawings on that summer house just yet.

And no one on the shop floor will be helping them achieve it.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-06-19, 08:24PM
Tesco careers advert for store manager currently says up to 3.5% bonus, I doubt very much they're giving a 2.7% rise as well and 4.5% increase on the bonus.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TheHound on 22-06-19, 05:19PM
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Post by: madness on 22-06-19, 05:26PM
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Post by: NightAndDay on 22-06-19, 05:30PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TheHound on 22-06-19, 05:34PM
I said, north of 20K; if memory serves it's somewhere between 22 - 24 grand depending on role etc. So even with the pay rise that's a difference of at least four grand. And given the amount of work managers actually do, they have no reason to whinge about not getting paid enough. Frankly, some of them are over-paid. 8-)
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Charlie Harper on 22-06-19, 05:41PM
I hit 20K as a CA last year. No biggie. Around 43/44 hours a week (include some Sun premium hours in that) will get you there...hardly living on site...just sayin'.

Actually, The fact that we had an extra month's pay in the last tax year (14 pay days instead of the usual 13) means it was probably closer to 41 hrs a week ave.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 22-06-19, 06:16PM
I said, north of 20K; if memory serves it's somewhere between 22 - 24 grand depending on role etc. So even with the pay rise that's a difference of at least four grand. And given the amount of work managers actually do, they have no reason to whinge about not getting paid enough. Frankly, some of them are over-paid. 8-)

If the managers job is SO easy doing so little why is it those complaining on here about their ga wage are not doing it?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-06-19, 06:17PM
If you do 44 hours a week as a ca on 8.426, working every sunday for 7.5 hours and 5 bank holidays, you'd be on 20,226.43 a year.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: forrestgimp on 22-06-19, 06:20PM
I work with a guy who is a part time ga, he earnt 22k last year  and is on course to beat that this year.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-06-19, 06:25PM
I said, north of 20K; if memory serves it's somewhere between 22 - 24 grand depending on role etc. So even with the pay rise that's a difference of at least four grand. And given the amount of work managers actually do, they have no reason to whinge about not getting paid enough. Frankly, some of them are over-paid. 8-)

If the managers job is SO easy doing so little why is it those complaining on here about their ga wage are not doing it?

Most people can do the managers job, unfortunately promotions are heavily based on politics and nepotism, which is also why you've got a bunch of rems in management positions.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 22-06-19, 06:59PM
Exactly.....and as I've always said, to any manager who put on the striped shirt thinking it made them superior......"the majority of colleagues in this store could do your job, but they choose to do the job they do, because of their family or personal commitments, and not because of their abilities"
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: BahBlah on 23-06-19, 04:17AM
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh till my stomach ached when i read your comment. Yes, a hand full of colleagues may very well be able to do a managers job, but looking around me at the colleagues I currently work with, and have worked with in the past, fail to see many capable of doing so. Most are not even capable of doing the tasks allocated to them now without supervision. Those least capable are normally the ones moaning the loudest about managers. Most probably to hide there inadequacies from others and to convice them selves they re not as useless as the actually are. Except for certain circumstances, who in their right mind is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, on minimum wage. nope, in my opinion, those that dont want to manage cant, or are simply too lazy to try. Much easier to sit back and moan. makes you feel much better about yourself , doesn't it.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 23-06-19, 08:15AM
Your stomach is probably aching due to you being full of hot air with you're overinflated ego. Your reply would seem to display many classic characteristics of narcissism.
If "most" are incapable of doing simple tasks without supervision in your store, then why are they still there? Could it be that they haven't received any training, or are they deliberately made to feel worthless to hide the inadequacy of their manager who lacks basic leadership skills. A team is only as good as their manager, so any SM should be asking that manager why they employed someone, as their inability to do the job required should have been evident from the beginning, something an adequate manager would have noted at the initial stages of interviewing.
Who in their right mind, is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, being at the beck and call of a large corner shop? Working 12-14 hours a day over the festive season, putting their own family and social life on the back burner in the process, having little or no outside interests or a work/lifestyle balance, for a couple of extra grand?
Nope not everyone chooses to be a manager, as they want a better quality of life, and I didn't need the striped shirt or suit to make me feel better about myself, just hearing  "managers" like yourself, spouting out about others inadeqacies to any who'll listen to hide your own and justify your position is proof enough.
You got c**p GA's? Then go manage them, and earn your stripes.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 23-06-19, 08:41AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: taliahad on 23-06-19, 08:48AM
Wow Bahblah!   I'm so glad you're not my manager., you sound like a bully  You're a Tesco manager, that's not exactly achieving much in life.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: express whizz kid on 23-06-19, 09:17AM
Wow blah blah, I'm guessing it's managers like you that earn us this bad name.
If majority of you're staff are useless why aren't you up skilling them?
If you're team are useless why aren't they being managed?

My team is a true reflection of me as a manager also a person I'll always encourage my colleagues to bring their personalities into work always gets the best out of people if they are happy also try leading by example rather than slating them.

Not all managers are useless and actually care for our teams.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: taliahad on 23-06-19, 09:20AM
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh till my stomach ached when i read your comment. Yes, a hand full of colleagues may very well be able to do a managers job, but looking around me at the colleagues I currently work with, and have worked with in the past, fail to see many capable of doing so. Most are not even capable of doing the tasks allocated to them now without supervision. Those least capable are normally the ones moaning the loudest about managers. Most probably to hide there inadequacies from others and to convice them selves they re not as useless as the actually are. Except for certain circumstances, who in their right mind is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, on minimum wage. nope, in my opinion, those that dont want to manage cant, or are simply too lazy to try. Much easier to sit back and moan. makes you feel much better about yourself , doesn't it.

Here we have a manager, criticizing and mocking his staff and yet oblivious to the fact that he can't spell or use punctuation. 

If your staff fail to carry out their tasks, then you've failed as a manager.  You could try being nice to them, they might just work better for you and remember, you're only a Tesco manager, nothing special and instantly replaceable. 
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: spacerman on 23-06-19, 11:49AM
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh till my stomach ached when i read your comment. Yes, a hand full of colleagues may very well be able to do a managers job, but looking around me at the colleagues I currently work with, and have worked with in the past, fail to see many capable of doing so. Most are not even capable of doing the tasks allocated to them now without supervision. Those least capable are normally the ones moaning the loudest about managers. Most probably to hide there inadequacies from others and to convice them selves they re not as useless as the actually are. Except for certain circumstances, who in their right mind is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, on minimum wage. nope, in my opinion, those that dont want to manage cant, or are simply too lazy to try. Much easier to sit back and moan. makes you feel much better about yourself , doesn't it.

You need to re read what you have written and ask yourself, is my team failing or am I failing my team?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-06-19, 01:18PM
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh till my stomach ached when i read your comment. Yes, a hand full of colleagues may very well be able to do a managers job, but looking around me at the colleagues I currently work with, and have worked with in the past, fail to see many capable of doing so. Most are not even capable of doing the tasks allocated to them now without supervision. Those least capable are normally the ones moaning the loudest about managers. Most probably to hide there inadequacies from others and to convice them selves they re not as useless as the actually are. Except for certain circumstances, who in their right mind is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, on minimum wage. nope, in my opinion, those that dont want to manage cant, or are simply too lazy to try. Much easier to sit back and moan. makes you feel much better about yourself , doesn't it.


I make the not so humble opinion that yes, most people can do the managers job. It is as I and others have factually stated. The people that don't want to be managers are so inclined because they either have other commitments (i.e university, family, carers responsibilities) or they are looking for something better (this is why I took a part time SL position, and why i'm earning about the same as a convenience group AM).
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Nikkih4586 on 23-06-19, 02:09PM
Sounds like my tw*t manager I wouldn't  mind he can not fill toilet roll with out help or some one from from another job finishing it .like night self serve   or the pi or the girl that takes notes. it's a joke how some managers think there worth it's a both and beyond the rest of what's meant to be there team. Ours tells  sm it's our fault if store not done .funny that we doing more work to fill right now more than ever as staff dont stay we and the rest are so put up on to fill extra we are pushed by our manager to be off the crisps  do cereal then off there pasta and pickles clear the store putbacks  I can tell you there is no lasier man than my manager 6 people could be off he still will not help his team and you want us to respect you I think not
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Welshie on 23-06-19, 03:03PM
I don't particularly like some of our nightshift managers but they do work their asses off . I wouldn't do their job for any amount of money , we are short staffed , nightshift team including managers are flat out all night then senior team come in, in the morning and criticise everything . At least ga's can walk out the door at 7am , the managers are there till all hours being told how rubbish they are .
Tesco are asking the impossible in our store atm and I'm sure that's true across many departments not just nights .
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: taliahad on 23-06-19, 03:17PM
The managers in our store are not liked generally, some are incompetent  and blame the staff when things go wrong,Tesco has a definite blame culture.  Last year, I was given a direct instruction by a manager, I wasn't happy about carrying out and said so but was told that I had to do as instructed and so I did, apologizing to the customer profusely.  Then a week later, I get a disciplinary for doing as instructed, to be chaired by the manager who initiated the instruction.  I kicked off and got a solicitor involved and it all got quietly dropped but I have yet to receive an apology. 

So we have managers like that but that is extreme.  We have one very rude manager, who the whole store detests and poke fun at behind his back, bit like bahblah's staff do  I should imagine.  We have quite a few who want to be managers but can't be bothered to actually manage and we have one or two who are worth their weight in gold and thus will never progress far in this company but they're the ones that I would work for, I'd put myself out to help. 
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 23-06-19, 04:36PM
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Post by: Nomad on 23-06-19, 08:25PM
OK, Managers' pay anybody  :(
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-06-19, 08:51PM
I don't think there's anything concrete on the upcoming managers pay review, but It is safe to assume that with the company being in a poor state of affairs, their reviews being based around "Sustainable" increases (a managers word that's been thrown around a lot lately with their past "2 year pay deals", basically read it as stingy, Tesco can afford to pay their floor level staff a lot more and it would still be sustainable) and that all we know for certain is that they're keeping their bonuses, I'd make a fairly educated guess at a 2.9% pay raise with the bonus paying between 2%-3.5% on targets met.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: londoner83 on 24-06-19, 10:58AM
I think it's fair to assume that any managers pay rises will be paid for by a reduction in the number of managers
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Overworked1 on 24-06-19, 11:19AM
It has happened and will continue to. GAs are exactly the same. They are looking for more from everyone and not willing to pay for it. Aldi and Lidl have Tesco by the Crown Jewels.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: TheHound on 26-06-19, 09:48AM
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh till my stomach ached when i read your comment. Yes, a hand full of colleagues may very well be able to do a managers job, but looking around me at the colleagues I currently work with, and have worked with in the past, fail to see many capable of doing so. Most are not even capable of doing the tasks allocated to them now without supervision. Those least capable are normally the ones moaning the loudest about managers. Most probably to hide there inadequacies from others and to convice them selves they re not as useless as the actually are. Except for certain circumstances, who in their right mind is happy to work for many years, sometimes their entire lives, on minimum wage. nope, in my opinion, those that dont want to manage cant, or are simply too lazy to try. Much easier to sit back and moan. makes you feel much better about yourself , doesn't it.

What makes me laugh is the deluded self-belief of managers that people respect them. Sorry, but this isn't the Armed Forces or even our joke of a Police Farce. It's just Tesco. No one gives a toss about your, "rank".

Those who can, work. Those who can't, manage. I remember one manager who claimed he could out-work any CA. He treated his staff like c**p. The end result was no one would help him. No one covered shifts or did any over time, so he had to fill himself. He ended up getting a hernia from all the lifting. When he finally came back, he was broken in and kept his mouth shut. He'd learned his lesson: you need your staff more than they need you.

The only thing a manager's good for is signing my holiday request forms. ;D
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: VladPutin on 26-06-19, 09:57AM
I think it's fair to assume that any managers pay rises will be paid for by a reduction in the number of managers

I suspect in many stores, you'll see a move to a single fresh manager overseeing produce, dairy and meat/poultry. Lewis is obsessed with cuts, and this is an obvious target. When we still had counters, you could justify a manager to look after them, dairy and meat. Since the counters have gone, why pay a manager the same wage for only two thirds of his work?

It's a bad idea, of course, especially since they no longer have team leaders to spread the strain. One manager will be run ragged trying to look after three departments. But Lewis cares even less about that than I do.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: taliahad on 26-06-19, 04:00PM
What makes me laugh is the deluded self-belief of managers that people respect them. Sorry, but this isn't the Armed Forces or even our joke of a Police Farce. It's just Tesco. No one gives a toss about your, "rank".

Those who can, work. Those who can't, manage. I remember one manager who claimed he could out-work any CA. He treated his staff like c**p. The end result was no one would help him. No one covered shifts or did any over time, so he had to fill himself. He ended up getting a hernia from all the lifting. When he finally came back, he was broken in and kept his mouth shut. He'd learned his lesson: you need your staff more than they need you.

The only thing a manager's good for is signing my holiday request forms. ;D
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It's amazing how many of them do have that attitude.  They think they've achieved something in life because they've become a lowly tesco manager and think they're something special, they work rotten sh**s, evenings and weekends and don't earn a great deal. 

That said, there are a few really good managers too but they don't tend to stay long.  They find better employment and take their management experience with them.  They also don't tend to get treated well by upper management. 
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Nightworker23 on 26-06-19, 04:10PM
Good managers have always been treated badly by upper management because they're seen as a threat!
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 26-06-19, 04:26PM
What makes me laugh is the deluded self-belief of managers that people respect them. Sorry, but this isn't the Armed Forces or even our joke of a Police Farce. It's just Tesco. No one gives a toss about your, "rank".

Those who can, work. Those who can't, manage. I remember one manager who claimed he could out-work any CA. He treated his staff like c**p. The end result was no one would help him. No one covered shifts or did any over time, so he had to fill himself. He ended up getting a hernia from all the lifting. When he finally came back, he was broken in and kept his mouth shut. He'd learned his lesson: you need your staff more than they need you.

The only thing a manager's good for is signing my holiday request forms. ;D

It's amazing how many of them do have that attitude.  They think they've achieved something in life because they've become a lowly tesco manager and think they're something special, they work rotten sh**s, evenings and weekends and don't earn a great deal. 

That said, there are a few really good managers too but they don't tend to stay long.  They find better employment and take their management experience with them.  They also don't tend to get treated well by upper management.
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Hang on I thought all managers were overpaid?
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-06-19, 04:48PM
Some managers are overpaid, some are underpaid. Legacy managers definitely are overpaid, 50k a a year is too much to make sure the beans are on the shelf in a 40k a week sweetshop. On the other foot, 22k a year is too little to serve 1.5 billion customers a week with only 4 cas under you.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Nightworker23 on 26-06-19, 06:27PM
1.5billion a week! How big is your shop?😂😂
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-06-19, 06:35PM
It's an esso alliance tesco express fuelsite, we have 1% the staff of superstores and take the same amount of money (This is alao with no pay at pump and no self serve tills, I used to run nights in a 5 aisle express 1 on 1, between the hours of 10pm-7am we'd take in 200k in sales.)
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: leeds106 on 06-07-19, 08:37AM
I don't particularly like some of our nightshift managers but they do work their asses off . I wouldn't do their job for any amount of money , we are short staffed , nightshift team including managers are flat out all night then senior team come in, in the morning and criticise everything . At least ga's can walk out the door at 7am , the managers are there till all hours being told how rubbish they are .
Tesco are asking the impossible in our store atm and I'm sure that's true across many departments not just nights .

Thing is are they working there arse's off every night because they haven't reviewed the hours they are allowed to have/heat maps etc etc to make sure they have the right amount of staff/hours or are they not dealing with performance issues.
It's great they are down aisles filling but that's not strictly what there role is and if they are short of hours it in turn wont help you guys either with being short staffed and as long as they are stuck down aisles grafting away things wont ever change for the better for any of you 🤷???.

I'm lucky to have a great team I do everything I can to make shifts as easy as possible for my night team. If it means I go do some filling then so be it. If it means half a night in office planning then so be it. I fully trust my guys to deliver if I'm busy off the shop floor and i never let anyone struggle or fail to finish. We work as a team and due to that we always deliver as a team and very very rarely fail to deliver.

Personally I goto work every night for the people I work with
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: marmite on 06-07-19, 09:28AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lucgeo on 06-07-19, 10:23AM
Perhaps kingdong has left, since his post  ???
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: manager1 on 07-07-19, 01:36PM
Managers pay bandings are broken. A full time Driver Team Support on the new pay scale would earn 23k a year plus any overtime worked. Some managers (newly appointed) do not earn this currently. Same works for higher paid managers and newly appointed lead team level. No incentive to progress. Will cost the company too much money to fix the pay banding and only one feasible way to pay for it by means of a large management / leadership restructure.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Welshie on 07-07-19, 03:07PM
@leeds106 , not enough staff , not enough overtime , to many people on "light duties"  , it's a joke . Nothing done to help during the day , yet again through lack of staff( I've done days and nights and cant stand the blame game on each other) . It's so bad that people are dropping nights which makes the situation worse which means no-one will do overtime .
Yes our lead team needs to grow a back bone and fight for more hours but our sales are dropping so unlikely he'll get them , deliveries aren't getting any smaller though .
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: ttp608 on 30-10-19, 08:31PM
Hi, as a team manager am i entitled to a copy of the pay banding for my store? My people partner has refused to allow me to see it.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Long gone on 30-10-19, 08:48PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: beentheredoneit on 31-10-19, 04:18AM

Hi, as a team manager am i entitled to a copy of the pay banding for my store? My people partner has refused to allow me to see it.
Along time ago, this was available.
It is now impossible to access. People partners have the info.
Don't know why it is so secret; should be accessible to all (unless there is something to hide ......)
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Long gone on 01-11-19, 12:13AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Katarn2000 on 01-11-19, 10:14AM
There are copies of pay bandings about if you know who to ask. I've seen them before so I can answer questions but it's just a big complicated table so I'm not going to try to reproduce it.

In basics there are certain bands based on the turnover of the store and the experience of the manager basically in years. There is also an element that depends on the role so e.g. compliance was L4 in any size of store but a produce manager in a category 7 was an L5 or something so got paid more.

On the other point: GAs and team managers are work level 1, lead team and express store managers work level 2, store managers 3, store director (area manager)4, above that 5 is the likes of the guy/gal in charge of superstores north etc and above that is actual directors.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: madness on 01-11-19, 11:11AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 01-11-19, 11:14AM
Managing a superstore is easy compared to neurosurgery, anyone can do it. All SMs do is attend meetings, the managers underneath hold the A for what they're managing, if they mess up, it's them that get the reprimand, not the SM.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 01-11-19, 12:15PM
Nightandday

>>Managing a store is easy, anyone can do it.

also nightandday

>>"How many SMs have a degree or how many PMs hold CIPD status? None that I have come across, Tesco thinks 25 years stacking shelves makes someone qualified to implement employment law and oversee grievances and disciplinaries, says it all really."
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 01-11-19, 12:23PM
If you're going to quote me at least do it properly, I said compared to neurosurgery. My point still stands that compared to neurosurgery anyone can do it, the position should still require a degree though.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 01-11-19, 12:29PM
Went from anyone, to anyone with a degree that was fast.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 01-11-19, 12:33PM
Learn basic comprehension. mong.

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Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 01-11-19, 12:36PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Long gone on 01-11-19, 12:52PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: alf on 01-11-19, 01:14PM
If theres one thing I've learned in my lowly career as a GA, everyone thinks their own s*** doesn't stink.

Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: penguin on 01-11-19, 02:05PM
Plenty of good and bad store managers around, just as you get good and bad GA's, and the same goes for every level in the company.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Cleaner1 on 01-11-19, 03:36PM
The company is just fkd from the top down. Dave's best attempt was raising revenue by asset stripping. Now what you have is unrealistic expectations being put on the lowly GA. I stayed after my time to get all tasks completed. Now have the alarm set to allow me a min to get to the clock machine leaving tasks uncomplete.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Long gone on 01-11-19, 05:23PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Redshoes on 02-11-19, 03:52AM
Nobody knows until they have learned.  If new to the company they can't be expected to know much but as a graduate they have the ability to learn. It's good to come up through the ranks but it's also good to come in from outside with a different view on things. A good team has mixed talents they can share and different strengths.
In my nearly 30 years with the company I have mostly known managers who have come up through the ranks, but not always. I now have a store manager who has a 2-1 degree and he is a good one. He came in as a manager but has worked in big and little stores. Been senior team in a few stores and now store manager in his second store.
He was never a ca, but he is hands on. He fills shelves, spends lots of time on shop floor. He has broad knowledge and experience but he would once have been new and did not know much.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: DJL on 02-11-19, 09:21AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: randomworker on 02-11-19, 11:27AM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Nomad on 02-11-19, 04:35PM
Quote
"the expectation of something in return"
while I appreciate there are those in society who volunteer for no ulterior motive other than to help others,  I strongly believe that the phrase  randomworker has used is a style of living that most certainly 'infested' society from the top-down.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: takethemoneyandrun on 03-11-19, 06:03AM
A manager should not be judged on filling shelves and is not in job description. In reality this is what happens though. A grocery manager should not work an aisle but should be checking on team, looking for trade opportunities, then all the rota, holidays part of job. They will be duty too and as often quiet at night they have that side of things to do too. How many managers in will depend on size of store but unless an extra it will probably be only one. I work in a superstore and there are only six eight managers in total, the store does not have a night team and in the mornings and evenings there is generally only one manager in and depending on hols etc there can be only one in all day. They don't need to spend all the time in the office, and shouldn't but they are not paid to fill shelves but most stores seem to run very tight on the grocery team so have to.
I'm sorry but every manager in our shop is a glorified shelf filler, that's from the store manager down to the line manager. The Second in charge is a jumped up little runt who couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery, but thinks hes the dogs rubbish, just fills all day. Like what was said few posts back all they are needed for is to sign holiday forms and that's on borrowed time.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: penguin on 03-11-19, 12:39PM
The reason so many managers spend all day filling or on a till is because the GA levels have been cut so much who else is left to do it, and that is not a fault of store or line managers that comes down to head office, I know a few managers just wonder around filling the odd toilet roll but most of them are filling because otherwise the job would never get done.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Whistleblower on 03-11-19, 04:07PM
Not a great fan of management , but I have to agree that not all management are useless,and ga have to realise that all these cutbacks are affecting everyone not just them,I think the majority of management would rather help out than do paperwork,
But 0ne thing I do not agree with tho and this seems widespread why managers have the need to have their break all at the same time,
Morale is low and God know s what's it going to be like during December,
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: Long gone on 03-11-19, 06:50PM
Not a great fan of management , but I have to agree that not all management are useless,and ga have to realise that all these cutbacks are affecting everyone not just them,I think the majority of management would rather help out than do paperwork,
But 0ne thing I do not agree with tho and this seems widespread why managers have the need to have their break all at the same time,
Morale is low and God know s what's it going to be like during December,

Get rid of top heavy management and employ more GAs , all the managers I have worked with have been utter garbage
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-11-19, 07:53PM
I think part of the problem is how Tesco defines mangement roles, the express structure at the moment has ca's, an admin and stock controller (all without skills payments), shift leaders and then a store manager, Countless times have I seen lead managers from superstore get made redundant and job swapped to Express SM absolutely fail at running a mid taking express despite the salary difference (lead managers in SS tend to be on more than SMs in Express, the lead in question was on 37k a year protected payment to be SM of 60-70k a week express).

Shift leaders in Express aren't considered managers yet have more responsibility and a harder job than Team Managers(express shift leaders in busy stores have among the highest staff turnover rates of all positions in Tesco, the fact Tesco had to come up with a seperate break policy for express shift leaders says everything about how difficult the role is compared to TMs). 

A restructuring does need to happen in superstore, but it needs to be dome properly, not just cutting everything down to nothing (I've heard the Metro restructure being an example of too much being cut, in other words, how not to restructure.) Shift Leaders in Express need to be rebranded to a salaried managers position otherwise the staff turnover issue isn't going to be resolved,  likewise Metro also needs another looking at as from what I'm seeing, the revenues are directly affected due to lack of resources.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: lordadmiral on 03-11-19, 08:17PM
Not a great fan of management , but I have to agree that not all management are useless,and ga have to realise that all these cutbacks are affecting everyone not just them,I think the majority of management would rather help out than do paperwork,
But 0ne thing I do not agree with tho and this seems widespread why managers have the need to have their break all at the same time,
Morale is low and God know s what's it going to be like during December,

But you need managers who manage the team. You can have good manager but scared to put people under performance management and constantly trying to do the job with hands those who already  work their ass.
So more problems arise and good mansger is in fact a bad manager.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: penguin on 03-11-19, 08:27PM
I think part of the problem is how Tesco defines mangement roles, the express structure at the moment has ca's, an admin and stock controller (all without skills payments), shift leaders and then a store manager, Countless times have I seen lead managers from superstore get made redundant and job swapped to Express SM absolutely fail at running a mid taking express despite the salary difference (lead managers in SS tend to be on more than SMs in Express, the lead in question was on 37k a year protected payment to be SM of 60-70k a week express).

Shift leaders in Express aren't considered managers yet have more responsibility and a harder job than Team Managers(express shift leaders in busy stores have among the highest staff turnover rates of all positions in Tesco, the fact Tesco had to come up with a seperate break policy for express shift leaders says everything about how difficult the role is compared to TMs). 

A restructuring does need to happen in superstore, but it needs to be dome properly, not just cutting everything down to nothing (I've heard the Metro restructure being an example of too much being cut, in other words, how not to restructure.) Shift Leaders in Express need to be rebranded to a salaried managers position otherwise the staff turnover issue isn't going to be resolved,  likewise Metro also needs another looking at as from what I'm seeing, the revenues are directly affected due to lack of resources.

You are right about express shift leaders but it will never happen, as long as people keep accepting the job and there are always plenty of external applications for it nothing will change, all Tesco will say when more quit is "next" a sad state of affairs but its what this company has become.
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-11-19, 10:40PM
Title: Re: Managers pay
Post by: gomezz on 04-11-19, 12:02PM
I need my manager to organise the rotas and holidays and that is about it.