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Title: Holiday
Post by: Bluemoon on 13-01-20, 05:34PM
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Justme23 on 13-01-20, 06:52PM
Just check your wage slip and that will tell you how many days you have left.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 13-01-20, 07:29PM
Bluemoon

Your wage slip will only show your entitlement and how many days you've taken, not what you have booked. Your January payslip will only show holidays taken up to and including Thursday 02 January.

Have you changed your shift pattern in the last year? e.g. dropped from 5 days to 3 days, etc as this will lower your entitlement. Have you taken holidays that were not requested when you had your holiday meeting?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: madness on 13-01-20, 08:23PM
Your days could change if you have increased or decreased your contracted days throughout the year.  unless you take it from the hram system then paysheet sometimes hasnt taken eerything into account. If you are that worried bout being short then pick up a days overtime? I suspect the answer you are looking for is you will get the extra day paid anyway because of the mistake but that's not how it works.

Tip for you work more in the run up to your booked holidays and you will get a bit extra pay in your hols pay compared to a normal contracted month.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-01-20, 06:07AM
i dont understand. can you not shorten another holiday to accommodate your holiday away?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 14-01-20, 07:01AM
Could it be that Christmas and new year bank holidays have not been accounted for. The wages system will not allow more holidays to be put into it that allowed. However, the bank holiday part of the system will. If days have not been saved for Christmas and new year this will leave you short.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 14-01-20, 08:54AM
This was a common problem in my store. B/h entitlement and holidays were often entered incorrectly on the system. Check payslip for days left for both. It always amazed me how often people were told they had to take as unpaid and further down the line told they had b/b entitlement to use or lose. it was never automatically cross checked the moment a discrepancy occurred, not even by the wage clerk!
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Mr ford on 14-01-20, 05:30PM
Its totally your responsibility to know how many holidays you are entitled to. Yes the manager is at fault but you will just need to cancel other holidays or take it unpaid.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: londoner83 on 14-01-20, 05:41PM
Believe this issue could be resolved if Tesco scrapped the separate headings of holiday/bank holiday and Personal Day and just went with one Holiday to use to cover all 3.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 14-01-20, 09:25PM
If its this holiday year, the least they can do is offer for you to use some of next years entitlement.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 15-01-20, 08:22AM
Believe this issue could be resolved if Tesco scrapped the separate headings of holiday/bank holiday and Personal Day and just went with one Holiday to use to cover all 3.

Totally agree, we were told a few years ago it was about to happen but never has. The system needs an update.
If you change your working days a catch up is needed to adjust holidays. If you used to work a Tuesday it will stay in system ax Tuesday until manually updated by wages clerk.  Our wages clerk was putting in shift so if you worked 0900-1800 for example this is what was put in system. If you changed your hours to 1000-1900 this messed things up. They now put in full day in my store.
Our manager gives up a print out of holidays 3 or 4 times a year. We are asked to double check. The problem is that as we fill out a holiday form, this is then put in dept diary and to wages. It firstly has to put in diary and system correctly. If holidays are changed and rebooked. This all has to be done again. If we change days this has to be done again. We employ people to do these jobs. We can endeavour to get it right but as people we make errors. We do hold some responsibility for our own holidays. We should not come to work if we are supposed to be on holiday, it happens. We need to check that we use forms and we don't verbally request or hand in dates on scraps of paper. Forms are kept and should be referred back to. We need to check holidays are put on rota/flexi sheets correctly. We then need to come up with a reasonable fix if things do go wrong. The more times you touch these things the bigger the chance us that it goes wrong. At one time we were only allowed to change our holidays if signed off by senior team but this was a store thing.
One last thing. You have a set amount of paid holidays. The company can't issue you more. A fix could be Many things and can come down to relationship between colleague and manager. With a good relationship it's a chat and resolution.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Alnolda on 21-02-20, 07:35AM
Can anyone please help me? I recently applied for a bolt-on shift (a extra day contract) and I was told I got the extra day so I am contracted the Wed, Thurs & Fri now instead of just Thurs & Fri, I am due a weeks holidays next week and my boss is trying to tell me I have to come in on Wednesday which is the additional shift I got given.

Is this right enough? Why can't I just have the 3 days off? I have arranged to go away for a few days next week as well, now I'm going to have to cancel my plans.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 21-02-20, 08:43AM
No, it should be honoured, as it is booked. The manager is being unreasonable, should have queried any booked time off to arrange cover for the extra day. It can be taken as unpaid or work the time back, or used if you still have available holidays to take, as your new allowance for the extra day won't be incorporated in your paid holiday pro rata.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Pathfinder on 22-02-20, 12:41PM
Ref .bank holidays ....has the policy changed regarding working bank holidays...relating to christmas day ,boxing day and NYD ... my store managers says this has now changed no evidence...and says he can make staff work if not enough volunteers . I am aware 2009 any new staff member can be asked to work 5 of the bank holidays but not 25,26 th and 1st jan . ....has this changed and I'd so where is new agreement.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 12:58PM
Pathfinder

No it hasn't changed. It's on your contract that no-one can be made to work Xmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day.

Managers can only make you work if there aren't enough volunteers for the other 5 bank holidays. Ask your manager to show you the paperwork with the policy change.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 01:05PM
Copied from the February 2020 Holiday Policy.

10. Do I have a choice about working on a bank holiday?
This depends on the area of the business you work in:

Stores and Customer Fulfilment Centres
If you joined Tesco before 26th January 2009, working on a bank holiday is voluntary unless your contract specifically
requires you to do so.
If you joined on or after 26th January 2009 and there are insufficient volunteers to work on a bank holiday, you may
be required to work on up to five bank holidays (excluding Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year’s Day) if you
are normally scheduled to work on the day the bank holiday falls.

Distribution
Your rota will specify the bank holidays that you need to work, and these are treated as normal working days. If you
wish to book a bank holiday off, you can do so in the same way as for any other holiday.

Office and Customer Engagement Centres
If your office or department is closed on the bank holiday, then you are not required to work and will book a day from
your bank holiday allowance. If your office or department is open then working on the day will be voluntary, unless your contract states otherwise. If you choose to work on the bank holiday but the business does not require you to work, you will not receive any premium for doing so.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Pathfinder on 22-02-20, 01:26PM
Hi yes I am fully aware of the policy ...yet my store manager has said its changed ...(has has yet to show new policy )
But you know the staff are last to find out if the policy has changed ....I knew I'd get more knowledge from this site than store manager .thanks guys. 
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 04:31PM
The parts of the policy I posted are from this months updated  Holiday Policy. So I think your manager is either ignorant of the policy or lying. If you log onto Colleague Help, you'll find it there. 
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 22-02-20, 06:31PM
Hi yes I am fully aware of the policy ...yet my store manager has said its changed ...(has has yet to show new policy )
But you know the staff are last to find out if the policy has changed ....I knew I'd get more knowledge from this site than store manager .thanks guys.

Ask him to show you in print where its changed, he wont be able to.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 23-02-20, 09:13AM
Same scenario when the SM & PM had each pre July 2005 in the office for a little chat about not being till trained. A couple meekly agreed to their persuasion, others said no, to which the SM insisted a new policy was to be introduced that everyone be till trained. He was told to get back to them when the policy was in force.

I'm amazed the SM is discussing Christmas working so early, obviously intent on an acceptance by the time it comes round? Him knowingly making these false statements should be grievanced on T&C 's, which then goes out of his hands to the area PM.

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: penguin on 23-02-20, 11:37AM
SM in a lot of stores got the riot act read to them a few weeks ago due to how short staffed a lot of shops got left over Boxing Day and  new year, so are now running around like headless chickens trying to sort 2020 Christmas out. Still that is no excuse to force or bully staff into working when they are contractually allowed to take days off.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-02-20, 09:41PM
if everybody refused to work boxing day and new years day (which they can) then the greedy bar stewards wouldn't be able to open!!! >:D
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 23-02-20, 11:23PM
I think this may be the new black come Christmas...trade was seriously down, the footfall wasn't there. A lot of public opinion was against stores opening Boxing Day and New Year's Day just gone, a shifting trend towards keeping it special for family time, certain firms were proudly advertising the fact that they would be closed to enable their staff a decent break, and their sales would be the traditional January sales commencing January 2nd.

The emphasis is now on mental health and wellbeing, the trend appears to be moving into the old traditional festivities. Christmas markets, fresh produce, not large pre packed, from God knows where meat, fruit and veg, and a shed load of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 24-02-20, 11:20AM
Dont bank on it, profits before people.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 01:37PM
 Probably, though the profit margins were tight last time, with shelves crammed full of 90% fresh reductions.

Jumping on the new trend bandwagon, could be good publicity if they put the right spin on it

T...the
E...ever
S...so
C...caring
O...organisation

 8-) or something similar...best I could come up with straight off the cuff  :)
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 24-02-20, 03:45PM
So handed in my holiday sheet today, was told straight away I’m not allowed Saturday 26th December off as tesco are moving the bank holiday is this correct?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: penguin on 24-02-20, 03:53PM
I think this may be the new black come Christmas...trade was seriously down, the footfall wasn't there. A lot of public opinion was against stores opening Boxing Day and New Year's Day just gone, a shifting trend towards keeping it special for family time, certain firms were proudly advertising the fact that they would be closed to enable their staff a decent break, and their sales would be the traditional January sales commencing January 2nd.

The emphasis is now on mental health and wellbeing, the trend appears to be moving into the old traditional festivities. Christmas markets, fresh produce, not large pre packed, from God knows where meat, fruit and veg, and a shed load of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.



No way Tesco will shut all the stores on Boxing or New Years day, seen a post on the offical Tesco instagram a couple of years back about Christmas opening hours, a customer had commented why not shut Boxing day and New years day give the staff a break, Tesco replied back that the staff want to be in work on said days to ensure we are open and do not disappoint anyone who might run out anything over Christmas and New year.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 04:03PM
My local store was closed both Boxing Day and New Year's Day, if they don't have the volunteer staff, they can't open!
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 04:09PM
Sammy, are you days or nights? Is Saturday your contracted day? I know nights have an agreement every year for an option of nights working, but not days. Check with your rep, or the union to see if it is in fact correct, and agreed? Sometimes a Saturday B/H is moved to accommodate office workers, making the following Monday a B/H instead.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 24-02-20, 06:12PM
I work on days and in store, yes Saturday is my contracted shift now being told I’m not allowed it off.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 24-02-20, 06:53PM
Your manager is talking s***
There has been no official communication that Tesco is moving Boxing Day from the Saturday to the Monday!
There was a communication sent to wages about automatically booking Christmas,Boxing and New Years Day in Hram last year for all colleagues to ensure scheduler/Bank holidays entitlement are accurate.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 24-02-20, 07:40PM
Boxing day is not moving from Saturday to Monday this year in Tesco.

Other non retail companies may move it.

In 2021 It will move from Sunday to Monday.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Paupers wage on 24-02-20, 08:49PM
Although Tesco keeping quiet Monday December 28th is an additional bank holiday this year as it’s over their 8 allowance I assume colleagues can take it as a days holiday, personal day or as unpaid day off if they wish.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Stitch on 24-04-20, 07:14PM
Boxing day is not moving from Saturday to Monday this year in Tesco.

Other non retail companies may move it.

In 2021 It will move from Sunday to Monday.

So when it comes to next year would I be able to book the 26th off? As I view that as boxing day......
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 24-04-20, 08:30PM
Yes, what normally happens is all sunday contracted colleagues on the Sunday 26th have the option of BH, H, Unpaid etc
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 26-04-20, 08:41AM
Wages system has automatically booked the Christmas and New Year holidays off for the people who are contracted to work them.
Since a certain date if shifts for a bank holiday can't be filled you are expected to work but the big however is that this does not include Christmas and new year bank holiday.
My store is not planning for the bh to be moved. This is not the first time Christmas has fallen at a weekend and this is not the first time people have thought that the Boxing Day holiday will be moved because of the day of the week it falls on. So far it never has.
The night team decide how they take the bank holiday, it should be a vote but some stores are just told.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 26-04-20, 01:24PM
This year it wont be moved, next year it will.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-04-20, 05:32AM
So handed in my holiday sheet today, was told straight away I’m not allowed Saturday 26th December off as tesco are moving the bank holiday is this correct?

so just to quote - " If you joined on or after 26th January 2009 and there are
insufficient volunteers to work on a bank holiday, you may
be required to work on up to five bank holidays (excluding
Internal, Holiday, Version 3.2, Page 8 of 10 – February 2020
Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year’s Day) if you
are normally scheduled to work on the day the bank holiday
falls. "

So can't be flat out refused, has to be given an option with it of how you wanna do it, either holiday, unpaid, work a different day.

Also in response to the night thing - that barely happens... Never happened with our store, staff supposed to vote on it, managers always say "you guys picked this" it's like Nope, no one voted... so we just take it or work a bit extra then sick call it lol.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 27-04-20, 12:16PM
Read your contract, it clearly states words to the effect that no colleague( regardless of status/ contract) can be made to work Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-04-20, 05:26PM
It depends, it does say unless stated in contract, (distribution don't really get the choice) but otherwise for stores its mainly managers and higher for forcibly working boxing day...may be the odd change but for the most part you are correct.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 26-05-20, 02:19PM
Union in discussions about what happens when you get back o your 2 week holiday abroad and have to have 2 weeks isolation
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Hammer10 on 26-05-20, 04:19PM
They should have to take it unpaid or change their plans I know many who have cancelled their hols .
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 26-05-20, 04:39PM
But if holidays has been payed for and flights and hotel open for business you cant cancel it without being financially out of pocket ?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Hammer10 on 26-05-20, 05:32PM
Might be the case but is it fair on your colleagues you have extra time off unless it is taken as holiday which will help later in the year when no holidays will be taken.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 26-05-20, 06:19PM
The government make the rules ,they are the one stating the 14 day quarantine, not my choice, prehaps they should pick up the cost
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 26-05-20, 07:39PM
When the government pick up the cost we pay for it via tax. I don't want to pay extra tax to fund people taking two weeks off after a holiday.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 26-05-20, 08:39PM
The travel companies will likely tell people to claim off their insurance if they can't go on holiday due to being unable to take a further two weeks isolation away from work.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 27-05-20, 07:02PM
StandardHoliday insurances will not pay out on pandemics
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-05-20, 08:09PM
For me, (monday-friday 9-5.30pm office drone)  Monday 28th December is the substitute bank holiday for boxing day and I get it off, Tesco is different because they're a 24/7 business with every day being a work day and Saturday and Sunday not being sacred, the 26th will still be boxing day and you should receive the premiums if you work it but you will not have it paid if you choose to have it off as non-holiday.

Monday 28th December is the substitute bank holiday for boxing day, so you will also receive the bank holiday premiums for that if you work it or have it taken off as a paid bank holiday if you decide to have it off, however, I think the rule about not having to work on Boxing day, New years day or xmas day is if the work day falls on those days specifically, not on a substitute bank holiday, so you would have to come in if contracted or if they don't have the resources.

The bank holiday allocations should be at least 8 pro rata'd (8 main bank holidays in a year not including specific Scottish, Welsh, Irish or English ones celebrated in those regions only) bank holidays can't fall on a Saturday or a Sunday hence the substitution.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: grim up north on 27-05-20, 08:53PM
I've noticed a lot of 'I want extra time off and I want paying for it' across many platforms
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 28-05-20, 04:18AM
I've noticed a lot of 'I want extra time off and I want paying for it' across many platforms

Not in my case ,why should I walk away from a fully paid holiday with no chance of any money back
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 28-05-20, 09:04AM
 8-) rightly so...you were off for a reason...not on a 12 week jolly  ???
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 28-05-20, 09:52AM
Two weeks full sick pay will be payed if it can be proved holiday was booked before pandemic started ,right decision in my opinion ,well done tesco
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Villager No.6 on 28-05-20, 09:59AM
Re: Christmas; Boxing Day and Bank Holidays. My normal contracted working week as a delivery driver includes Friday; Saturday and Monday, when booking my 20/21 holidays I was told I’d have 3 days fewer to book than my entitlement as they’d been allocated for the 25th; 26th and 28th.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Phoneshopguy on 28-05-20, 12:56PM
.com don't work over that period hence saving holiday days for then.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Cinderella on 06-06-20, 07:18AM
Re: Christmas; Boxing Day and Bank Holidays. My normal contracted working week as a delivery driver includes Friday; Saturday and Monday, when booking my 20/21 holidays I was told I’d have 3 days fewer to book than my entitlement as they’d been allocated for the 25th; 26th and 28th.

Same happens to me - Christmas Day and Easter for example, always take up two of my holiday allowance. If I really wanted to work those days though, they would let me go in and find me work in another department that is open. For instance, filling the shelves.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 09-06-20, 09:06PM
Regards to the booked holidays, if you booked before 8th May you can be coded as sick during quarantine on return.  If booked after, you use holidays, lifestyle break, unpaid etc.  Although I think the quarantine will be scrapped for european destinations at some point.