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Pay review 2023

Started by person7, 05-02-23, 02:55PM

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Paulie

I think the people should campaign to close retail on Sundays like the old days, family time with Sunday dinner.

You won't be long once Sunday premiums are gone night shift premiums will follow. Some jobs get zero night shift premium.

oldfashionedplayer

they could campaign for it... you know what will happen though? Stores will just have more of a skeleton crew on the sunday or use it as a restock / clean like they do at Christmas and Easter.

1982dave

Close on a Sunday it will never happen I work a Sunday and my store is crazy busy even at 15.55 store just about to close there's allways a steady stream people trying shop ... I have heard a few people say they will drop a Sunday but that was met with no you can't which is a lie due to the opt out ..

stewright90

Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 09:18AMI know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.
Your attitude is exactly why businesses keep wages low, there is no such thing as an unskilled job every single job has a skill set some take longer than others to master however no job is unskilled, you are giving time out of your life to earn the ability to survive that should be paramount when decisions regarding pay are discussed/made.

Anyone working a full-time job should be able to afford somewhere to live, food, clothing etc... The skill set payment increase should be discussed after that has been met, not before.

jm876546886

Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 09:53AMI think the people should campaign to close retail on Sundays like the old days, family time with Sunday dinner.

You won't be long once Sunday premiums are gone night shift premiums will follow. Some jobs get zero night shift premium.
better off campaigning to remove pay review from the stores forum process so we can send the request directly to usdaw

1982dave

Unskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up

adamjp1

As a current night manager I am unsure of where the talk of the increase of £1000 in night premium is coming from. Neither I , nor any night manager I speak to are aware or have been briefed that that is happening. Having said that I am disappointed that night colleagues have not had an increase. The job needs to be made much more attractive. Recruiting and retaining on nights is a nightmare just now

Biscuit tin

You'll never get another increase in night premium now. They're just working you to the bone, hoping you'll quit so they don't have to fork out much redundancy when they get rid of night shifts.

Horrendous123

In reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.

General Thorn

Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.

fatlad

Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 12:11PMUnskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up
I'm under 50 with very low bills. No mortgage as it has been paid off & plenty spare to enjoy my free time & have nice holidays

fatlad

Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 01:56PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 12:11PMUnskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up
I'm under 50 with very low bills. No mortgage as it has been paid off & plenty spare to enjoy my free time & have nice holidays
had a good career before joining Tesco which has got me in a fortunate position. Tesco is an easy life for me until I retire in a few years


JJH

Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!

fatlad

Quote from: JJH on 06-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!
:thumbup:

barafear

John Lewis and waitrose only upping pay to 11.55 and co-op to 12.00

Happyguy

I'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.

SAMCRO

#1092
We don't all put tins on shelves and simply scan items on a til.
Go and do a week on stock control, cash office, merchandising or backdoor etc and see how you get on.

Not all GA roles are that simple. I'll give you 1500 counts on a Monday morning or 15 mod power aisle change planograms and see what you think then

Paulie

#1093
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.

jm876546886

Quote from: JJH on 06-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!
it is not irrelevant its about reporting accurate figures USDAW did not negotiate a £1 pay rise

fatlad

Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 03:36PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.
My Tesco wage allows me to have a home, a car, go out socialising & have nice holidays etc without having to use savings. The problem with a lot of people is they live beyond their means & now due to the cost of living crisis are having to give things up.

barafear

Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Customers ultimately pay for our pay packet - not Tesco!!
Prices in retail and hospitality are going through the nose - partly fuelled by the 20% increase to NLW/NMW in the last two years -

Couldn't believe on a recent visit to 'Spoons (first in a while) that a standard "burger and beer" meal deal was over £10!! I remember £6.99, maybe £7.49.......

Ultimately, it's all just money sloshing around the system but none of us are really better off - well Ken might be - as might our new UK CEO Matthew (I think) - he'll be ok too.

barafear

Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 05:08PM
Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 03:36PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.
My Tesco wage allows me to have a home, a car, go out socialising & have nice holidays etc without having to use savings. The problem with a lot of people is they live beyond their means & now due to the cost of living crisis are having to give things up.
I'm not sure you are the "typical" Tesco worker on here - you've already admitted this is simply a "wind down to retirement job"
You say "Tesco allows me to have a home" - well for most workers to "have a home" that means paying rent or mortgage - you've already stated you are mortgage free - so clearly you don't rely on Tesco's wages to pay the main running cost of a home.
You say "a car" - well many of us have cars - mainly due to unsociable hours that Tesco expects us to work and not being able to rely on public transport etc.

Nice holidays....ok....the list goes on.

I don't want to generalise - but the gist of the truth is somewhere along the lines of the following:

Most Tesco workers do not get contracted to FT hours - therefore, they are only guaranteed a relatively modest weekly/monthly income - ok you hope to pick up extra hours - but again no guarantee - and also those extra hours might be at the expense of a good work/life balance.

So if we assume, at best, most Tesco employees might be on 30 hours a week - at £12 an hour = £360 week - £1450 per month - less tax/NI/Pension conts = take home pay = £1300

I haven't included location pay - therefore to be fair, I won't use London/South East rents -

so an average UK rent outside SE might be the equiv of £750 per month for a single person? Or if in a couple, then maybe a single person's share might be £600

That only leaves about £550-700 per months for other expenses - utility costs/travel costs/clothing/all the usual stuff -

So unfortunately, working for Tesco or indeed any other min wage employer still remains a real struggle to meet even "basic" bills.

rupert7

take step back just one moment,staff work dam hard for tesco,every day and it does not matter if your days or nights, you put your soul into making the company great, but tesco only think profits and how great they are,and any way they think to cut costs they will do so.and if it means they can save money at our expense they will do it.i my self today sent an email to our union and put a question to them and i wait for a reply from them, i dont mind sharing with you all what my question to them because it,s as complications to any one who works on sunday.The rule regarding Sunday premiums at Tesco appears to be a topic of contention. While Tesco emphasizes that the change to a 10% premium for Sunday working maintains its value, there's an underlying concern that this reduction may have unintended consequences. The union's silence on the matter suggests that there might be more to the story.

Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%. However, the future remains uncertain. As the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve, it's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become a relic of the past, consigned to the history books.

The tension between maintaining fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is palpable. Whether Sunday premiums will indeed vanish remains to be seen.if we are not happy with what has taken place with our pay rise then you all have to email the union and tell them so and put pressure on them,to say the job we all  do in stores is unskilled is  wrong we all do muiltskills of some sought or other,for get them in head office they dont have a clue to what happens in stores, because every thing is glossed over for the big wigs.what you have to remember all supermarkets want every thing at a low cost, and we the work force fall into that category as cheap labour,

they should appreciate our  dedication and hard work at Tesco. It's evident that you and your colleagues put in tremendous effort to make the company successful. However, make your concerns known  about the recent changes, particularly regarding Sunday premiums.

Tesco has recently reached a pay rise agreement with the Usdaw union, which will significantly increase the hourly pay for colleagues in stores from £11.02 to £12.02 per hour—a rate above the 'real' Living Wage outside London. This pay increase represents a 9.1% raise and a record investment of over £300 million in hourly pay. Additionally, Tesco remains one of the few supermarkets that recognizes an independent trade union and negotiates pay rates with them for all its hourly-paid colleagues in the UK1.

However, I understand that the reduction in Sunday premiums by 50% has raised concerns. While Tesco asserts that this change maintains the value of Sunday working, there's a valid worry that unintended consequences may arise. The future of Sunday premiums remains uncertain, especially as the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve. It's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become obsolete, consigned to history1.

The tension between fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is indeed palpable. As you rightly pointed out, the work done in stores involves multiple skills, and it's essential to recognize the value of your contributions. While head office decisions may not always fully grasp the intricacies of daily store operations, your efforts are crucial to Tesco's success.

If you're dissatisfied with the recent changes, consider following your suggestion: email the union and express your concerns. Constructive engagement with trade unions can lead to positive outcomes, especially during times when the cost of living weighs heavily on employees. Your collective voice matters, and it's essential to advocate for fair treatment and recognition of the skills you bring to the table.

Remember that supermarkets aim for cost efficiency, but it's crucial to strike a balance that doesn't compromise the well-being of their workforce. You and your colleagues play a vital role, and your labor should be valued accordingly

jm876546886

They will just sit here moaning the same as the pay review it self only turnout is so low for any polling thats done

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