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Quote from: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:31PMmore fool the idiots who agree to replace them then!! if they enjoy getting the p**s took out of em thats their lookout!

Sorry - I've said again and again on this thread that this pay rise primarily concerns B/C grade colleagues - and like it or not, we are all "unskilled" and easily replaceable. If Sunday workers were so hard to recruit, how do other shops/pubs/restaurants etc. who do not pay any premium manage to staff their businesses.

For young people, they've "never had it so good" - because even if they are getting paid the absolute minimum for their age, once they turn 21, they are now guaranteed £11.44 an hour (or £12 based on most retailers pay) - and compared to 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago, this looks like a "fortune" to a "youngster" (might still be living at home paying minimal/no rent) - so to see the money in their pocket increase by 30% in three years is like manna from heaven.

Unfortunately for older workers like me - it all feels really bad because any sort of "perk" we ever had is being eroded - even the changes to sick pay they've announced are only going to affect a tiny number of people - and with part-time hours being the norm - and no pay for first three "actual" working days - the chances of anyone actually making it to claim Company Sick Pay (and not be on a disciplinary if and when they return) is fairly minimal.

The increase in the clubcard discount amount is an easy win for Tesco - assuming no "abuse" of the discount card, very few people could get to £2k discount in a year - even with the changes to second card - and those that can won't really care that their Tesco wages are "only going up to barely above NLW" - anyway - in order to get the discount, money still has to be spent in Tesco - so Tesco still recoup much of that even if they say margins are thin.

Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-03-24, 06:17PMNo we are not it's the same shift leaders got the same as ga .

It's the same in monetary terms, but not in percentage terms. GAs are getting a 9.1% increase and shift leaders are only getting 7.5%. A 9.1% increase for a shift leader would be £1.21.

I am surprised that night premiums for colleagues has not increased. If you assume that night managers are on a basic of £32000 and receive a 5% pay increase that would be an increase of £1600 a year, along with their night premium going up by £1000 a year. Let's say their bonus is 3% then that would be an extra £960 this year. Total is £3560 for this coming year. Night colleagues should be well aggrieved by the blatent inequality!! And these figures I have used are possibly an underestimate of what they potentially could get!! 😡😡😡

The rule regarding Sunday premiums at Tesco appears to be a topic of contention. While Tesco emphasizes that the change to a 10% premium for Sunday working maintains its value, there's an underlying concern that this reduction may have unintended consequences. The union's silence on the matter suggests that there might be more to the story.

Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%. However, the future remains uncertain. As the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve, it's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become a relic of the past, consigned to the history books.

The tension between maintaining fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is palpable. Whether Sunday premiums will indeed vanish remains to be seen.

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Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-03-24, 06:17PMNo we are not it's the same shift leaders got the same as ga .

It's the same in monetary terms, but not in percentage terms. GAs are getting a 9.1% increase and shift leaders are only getting 7.5%. A 9.1% increase for a shift leader would be £1.21.

It's 5% you can't use the statutory increase in the calculation usdaw didn't negotiate that part, that's the way they are trying to get you to look at it

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Quote from: Mersey1 on 05-03-24, 10:46AMAny update on shift leader pay rate?

Skill payments are staying the same.... so skill rates have devalued in worth then ... dissapointing that

Skills payments have not gone up in I think five years. After the 2022 pay review was announced I emailed the USDAW national officer responsible and received this:

I do acknowledge that the way that shift leaders are paid has changed in recent years and that means that the overall increase does not automatically apply to the full hourly rate that you receive.  I'm afraid I can't comment directly on the length of time since this change was made as it was before I assumed responsibility for Tesco retail.

 

However, as I am sure you would appreciate, any set of pay negotiations does require a degree of prioritisation that ensures any pay deal delivers the maximum benefit to the maximum number of people as possible.  Equally, any improvements negotiated specifically for one group, whoever they may be, requires the agreement of the employer and is not solely within the gift of the trade union.

 

The pay claim was actually formulated back in November from the feedback that the Union received following a survey of the membership within Tesco retail, followed by a discussion and agreement from both the Pay Team (made up of 12 USDAW shop stewards) and the wider National Forum – both of which have representatives from the Shift Leader population.  It was strongly felt that, as I am sure you understand, that given the significant cost of living challenges all our members are facing now that the focus had to be on securing as much investment as possible in base rates – hence the decision to submit a single item claim that meant there was the focus on base rates of pay for all staff.  While recognising that this did not mean additional investment in Shift Leader pay it meant that the maximum amount of investment could be made in base rates and, furthermore, it does continue to maintain the same differential as currently exists between Shift Leaders and the standard base rate.  This is certainly not the case in a number of other employers that have seen a squeeze in differentials between grades (as a result of differing percentage or pence per hour increases for different grades).

 
However, I fully appreciate the points that you make and, while it is not part of the settlement this year, I am acutely aware that this is something that will need to be looked at in coming years and, I assure you, that when the process begins for formulating the 2023 claim, which begins in July via the Forum process, this will be part of these discussions.  I would strongly encourage you to ensure that this feedback is provided to your USDAW Forum Rep so that this is raised.

 
I recognise that this will not immediately alleviate your concerns but, hopefully, it does go some way to explain why and how the decisions were made and that these decisions were not made without the input and involvement of USDAW shopfloor representatives.

I did feed back via my rep. Made no difference though 

The problem won't be the rep it will be the forum process itself. Also they didn't send out a online questionnaire last year either.

As normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..

can't? you mean won't!

Sunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.

Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..

Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium

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Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..

Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium

no offence but that I do not beleive that at all  or are you the one person who believes the union do a amazing job because you're a paid up rep

Quote from: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 08:23PMSunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.

Genuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 

this just in from usdaw by email,

All changes are effective from 28 April 2024, unless otherwise stated.
Core Award – Pay increased by 9.1% from £11.02 to £12.02.
London Location Pay – A single, higher, London allowance within the M25, of £1.13 p/h.
Sunday Premium – Changes from 17% to 10%. The total hourly rate on Sunday increases.
Company Sick Pay – Increased to a maximum of 18 weeks at 17-18 years' service, from 15 September 2024.
CFC Sunday working opt out – Removal of the Sunday working opt out for new starters in CFCs.
Paternity Leave and Pay – Increased by 50% to 6 weeks, from 15 September 2024. its

It has nothing to do with Sunday being a normal working day, it's about premiums being eroded. It doesn't matter what day it is for that matter it's the fact that Sunday workers used to be paid much better than they are now.

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Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..

Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium

no offence but that I do not beleive that at all  or are you the one person who believes the union do a amazing job because you're a paid up rep

Union reps don't get paid I'm merely stating the facts as written in the information.

Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 08:51PMGenuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 

Family time as kids are off school.

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Quote from: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 08:23PMSunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.

Genuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 

They have a choice whether or not they work!!

Quote from: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 06:14PMSo after speaking to my manager...ca's are closer to the shift leader wage now as there's no increase in shift pay for us as of yet judt the extra £1...makes no sense to be a shift leader in my opinion

It never did.

It was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.

Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.

No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.

i am a GA nightshift  tuesday to sunday 5 nights 10to7 can anyone tell me my new wage,

Bikerguy, that would be roughly £1989 every 4 weeks before tax

I know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.

  Me too

Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 09:18AMI know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.

Woah! Careful with that logic