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Quote from: Davethebave on 31-01-23, 10:02PM

Quote from: Ulsterlass on 31-01-23, 08:15PMSo tesco announced they are getting rid of managers etc, but yet on the same day they announce they are buying the paperchase brand. How does the company think the managers are affected going to react. I am one of many team managers affected by this. It is disgraceful the way the company has treated us. They do not care about cost of living or anything!! As long as they get their bonus its 2 fingers up to the rest of us

To ever think your anything but a number to tesco is silly. It's all about the bottom line for them.

I'm also effected, very little incentive for me or any other effected manager to deliver anything above showing up and booking whatever holidays my colleagues want for next year.

What will they do? Manage us now 😂

Your colleagues that will be still working well beyond the next few weeks will be so glad to hear how little this maters to you. It's a huge thing for colleagues. Getting it right is for them. If you stay it's booked and if you go you don't leave with a bad impression.

morale has actually gone up in my store,now GA's know certain managers are likely to go

Well, I ended up being proven wrong thinking it was about customer colleagues and not team managers, it's both!
For me I am happy with redundancy ( if I'm eligible ), but I know that some people are distraught out there. I would suggest to those that are affected and fearful of the future, don't be. This company has ground us down to not believe we are worth anything. We are tasked to deliver monumental changes at the drop of a hat by the incompetent's at HO. We can make on the fly decisions and deliver above and beyond on many occasions, and receive zero praise for it. You're better than you think and have a lot bigger skill set that other employers are looking out for. Go into work with your heads held high, continue to do your best for your team, and whether you stay or leave the most important factor is you, as I said above, you're better than you think.

Totally agree with the above 

If you're good at your job then you will find better elsewhere!

When the last cull of Team Leaders happened, a lot in my store took redundancy. They were good at their job and well trained into it ( the days when Tesco training was thorough).

The majority went on to roles of better pay and conditions in different sectors, none in retail! Some have been promoted to managers and above!

When the cull of People Partners happened, most took redundancy and the pool left of those wanting to stay was few! The positions were given to those who weren't the best of the bunch!
Again the redundant PP's went on to achieve better positions out of retail.
Ditto compliance managers.

If you are good at your job, know your worth, then there are good positions out there, just consider other sectors and not just focus on retail.

Just a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

Quote from: markwinters on 01-02-23, 09:14AMJust a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:38AM

Quote from: markwinters on 01-02-23, 09:14AMJust a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

What happens if you have 2 Team managers and one job going. But neither want the job how do they stand then?

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 01-02-23, 07:29AMWell, I ended up being proven wrong thinking it was about customer colleagues and not team managers, it's both!
For me I am happy with redundancy ( if I'm eligible ), but I know that some people are distraught out there. I would suggest to those that are affected and fearful of the future, don't be. This company has ground us down to not believe we are worth anything. We are tasked to deliver monumental changes at the drop of a hat by the incompetent's at HO. We can make on the fly decisions and deliver above and beyond on many occasions, and receive zero praise for it. You're better than you think and have a lot bigger skill set that other employers are looking out for. Go into work with your heads held high, continue to do your best for your team, and whether you stay or leave the most important factor is you, as I said above, you're better than you think.

Tesco has become an dump.  Better leave now than later.  The way you see aldi and lidl working is what will happen to staff better to flee sinking ship.Either get better job or go back into education.

Wait and you still work there?

Does that make you Stig of the Dump 

If there's any chance of redundancy take it. As the last few years have proved they're out to shaft everyone. Never hear anyone who got paid off and escaped complaining.

What's the timeframe to remove these roles? Usually these type of changes get implemented over 3/4 month

Quote from: Redshoes on 01-02-23, 12:46AM

Quote from: Davethebave on 31-01-23, 10:02PM

Quote from: Ulsterlass on 31-01-23, 08:15PMSo tesco announced they are getting rid of managers etc, but yet on the same day they announce they are buying the paperchase brand. How does the company think the managers are affected going to react. I am one of many team managers affected by this. It is disgraceful the way the company has treated us. They do not care about cost of living or anything!! As long as they get their bonus its 2 fingers up to the rest of us

To ever think your anything but a number to tesco is silly. It's all about the bottom line for them.

I'm also effected, very little incentive for me or any other effected manager to deliver anything above showing up and booking whatever holidays my colleagues want for next year.

What will they do? Manage us now 😂

Your colleagues that will be still working well beyond the next few weeks will be so glad to hear how little this maters to you. It's a huge thing for colleagues. Getting it right is for them. If you stay it's booked and if you go you don't leave with a bad impression.

Giving the size and complexity of the new roles I wouldn't be staying either way.

My colleagues will get their reviews and the correct holidays booked for them along with any extra training they want to help them succeed. But I won't be doing anything extra that contributes to Tesco. No trade driving, no working extra hours to cover management rotas, etc

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:41AM

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:38AM

Quote from: markwinters on 01-02-23, 09:14AMJust a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

What happens if you have 2 Team managers and one job going. But neither want the job how do they stand then?

the 1 that gets selected will only have the choice to either take the job or leave (with no redundancy). The other will have a choice of redundancy or step down to shift leader with pay protection for 2 years

Quote from: The crow on 01-02-23, 10:42AM

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:41AM

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:38AM

Quote from: markwinters on 01-02-23, 09:14AMJust a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

What happens if you have 2 Team managers and one job going. But neither want the job how do they stand then?

the 1 that gets selected will only have the choice to either take the job or leave (with no redundancy). The other will have a choice of redundancy or step down to shift leader with pay protection for 2 years

Pay protection is capped at 25% by the way

So if your on 400 a week
Shift leaders 200 a week
New wage will be 250 not 400
Policy was updated early jan

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-02-23, 11:01AM

Quote from: The crow on 01-02-23, 10:42AM

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:41AM

Quote from: Nightworker on 01-02-23, 09:38AM

Quote from: markwinters on 01-02-23, 09:14AMJust a reminder to complete your EVM survey... Store manager bonus depends on it

What happens if you have 2 Team managers and one job going. But neither want the job how do they stand then?

the 1 that gets selected will only have the choice to either take the job or leave (with no redundancy). The other will have a choice of redundancy or step down to shift leader with pay protection for 2 years

Pay protection is capped at 25% by the way

So if your on 400 a week
Shift leaders 200 a week
New wage will be 250 not 400
Policy was updated early jan

As this thread started... Updated policies should always raise the alarm, Protection Pay now worthless in my opinion, the "new" jobs whether SLeader Or Team manager both impossible, time to leave folks, redundancy or not- but they should offer it to all, as its undoubtedly a MAJOR change- USDAw asleep at the wheel once again- Wonder if Sickness affects the score???

Quote from: Bobmay on 01-02-23, 09:48AM

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 01-02-23, 07:29AMWell, I ended up being proven wrong thinking it was about customer colleagues and not team managers, it's both!
For me I am happy with redundancy ( if I'm eligible ), but I know that some people are distraught out there. I would suggest to those that are affected and fearful of the future, don't be. This company has ground us down to not believe we are worth anything. We are tasked to deliver monumental changes at the drop of a hat by the incompetent's at HO. We can make on the fly decisions and deliver above and beyond on many occasions, and receive zero praise for it. You're better than you think and have a lot bigger skill set that other employers are looking out for. Go into work with your heads held high, continue to do your best for your team, and whether you stay or leave the most important factor is you, as I said above, you're better than you think.

Tesco has become an dump.  Better leave now than later.  The way you see aldi and lidl working is what will happen to staff better to flee sinking ship.Either get better job or go back into education.

Managers are scored. Criteria will be confirmed on mon. The person who gets the highest score get the jobs. You can't refuse it as you have been given a job so are not at risk. If you don't score high enough to get a job it's step down to shift lead or redundancy.
The way it has been done in the past, available jobs in the group have been offered out too. Options will pick up again as stores will be at structure so gaps will need filling going forward.

We were told by one of our lead team,that they have the chance to step down to one of the new manager roles,this hardly seems fair,as that is one less job,for the rest of us to fight for,there are 10 of us at the moment going after 5 jobs,which could now well be 4,so not good

All of us in store want to take redundancy. Would have made sense for them to do voluntary and let the people who want to stay, stay.

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-02-23, 12:33PMAll of us in store want to take redundancy. Would have made sense for them to do voluntary and let the people who want to stay, stay.

Same in our store.

At least some are being offered redundancy!
Unfortunately my store has been given an extra manager role as part of this compared to last year, so we are now at structure!!!
We were all happy when it was announced as we were all planning on taking redundancy due to being over, then the bombshell about them putting 4 managers in our store instead of 3!
No chance of redundancy for any of us!

We know that the 2 extras close to us are losing 14 managers between them and most want to stay with the company with them being young and new to the company.
We have asked the question can we go with redundancy and they take our positions, only to be told no!

Quote from: kaled78 on 01-02-23, 12:20PMWe were told by one of our lead team,that they have the chance to step down to one of the new manager roles,this hardly seems fair,as that is one less job,for the rest of us to fight for,there are 10 of us at the moment going after 5 jobs,which could now well be 4,so not good

Senior team probably won't step down but it depends on individual pay out etc. You also have the right to a shift lead job. We have filled our shift lead jobs in our store so if anyone decides to step down from manager to shift lead they get first pickings at the jobs. It has always been done this way. I have seen it many times in my 30+ years.
We all knew something was coming. We all know that stepping down will always be an option. I have been through this process twice before. The process is now not so good for colleagues. Very little chance of redundancy for colleagues going forward.

So the general consensus is that those that want to take redundancy will have to stay and those that want to stay will be forced to take redundancy.
If USDAW are a tenth of the union they think they are they'll try and make this fair for the hose that want to stay/go.

Does anyone have any idea what the criteria will be ?

No, it's case by case basis. All based on criteria/scores. You don't yet know the criteria or how you have scored. All we have been told so far is that the scoring has to be fair. No favourites. No manipulation.  Group PM will review the scores and will be signed off by SD. That's why it will take four weeks as it's all stores.
If you want to stay and you have  performed well chances are you will stay. If you have any live warnings or are being performance managed you Will probably score low. The stores where the managers are move level it will be less clear. That's why we need to wait to see full criteria. At this point in time nobody now who will stay or go, not even the SM.

Quote from: Towers45 on 01-02-23, 03:30PMDoes anyone have any idea what the criteria will be ?

Update on Monday. Other than wha5 I have said below we only know attendance will not play a part. Unsure about availability etc but most managers have very good availability. We have two with childcare issues but we work round them and that should not be part of it.
Union and head office still in talks over criteria.