verylittlehelps

Pre covid is irrelevant,strategies change,yes some stores probably over on managers,does my store need dot com lead?probably not,does it need bakery manager?again probably not,but surely tesco wont just remove all managers,makes no sense,where would future store managers come from

Clearly you have a very poor understanding of how Tesco operate. Nothing they do makes any sense however they do it anyway

Interesting that Redundancy is now an option considering Tesco have moved away from that option for instore staff.
Whislt some of the staff instore believe the shop can run without managers, I am fairly confident Tesco will not allow a £1.6m a week extra to be solely run by shift leaders in the short term.

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Quote from: Harry_houdini on 20-01-23, 02:38PMSadly this was meant to happen before covid but was put on hold. I worked in H/o as part of the restructure team and then moved to store and now after creating opportunities outside of Tesco am now able to totter along as a GA with no worries in the world. Managers will be paid out with redundancy or given option to step down to shift leader with 18mth protected pay, new senior role (re structuring of seniors) will go into store to carry out formal/ disciplinary actions and act in SM absence. Shift leaders will do all the jobs managers did and in some stores are anyway. Been a long time coming but as I say was held off due to lock down. With massive profits this year company has enough to get rid of manager headcount.

Bit drastic ain't it ? Surely store specific

I so hope this is true as after 32 years I'm done I got told today a colleague should be able to fill a household cage in 30 mins I don't think prove it was the answer he was looking for

Redundancy is the least preferred option, if they can get around not paying it they will, that's the same approach by all businesses as it's a very costly exercise.

A lot of the current headcount of managers are recent to role so on lot less money than some of the old guard who have been in the same roles for years. The higher paid ones will hopefully take the redundancy where as the newer ones will take the step down to shift leader on a protected salary for 18 months. That way the concern for not having managers in stores is negated as they will remain just classed as shift leaders.

Quote from: Nightworker on 20-01-23, 07:35PMClearly you have a very poor understanding of how Tesco operate. Nothing they do makes any sense however they do it anyway

Yeah that's why they turn in a profit every year and been around for decades and decades it makes no sense whatever 

There's very little difference pay wise between a "new" (last 5-10yrs) manager and a shift leader. The gap will be even smaller when the next pay rise for hourly paid colleagues is agreed. The problem is all the old managers sat on massive salaries. It wouldn't make sense to make the majority of managers redundant only to pay the same wage to a shift leader who doesn't have the same experience or authority.

But a lot of what Tesco do doesn't make sense so we'll see what the next few weeks brings.

Quote from: Harry_houdini on 20-01-23, 08:35PMA lot of the current headcount of managers are recent to role so on lot less money than some of the old guard who have been in the same roles for years. The higher paid ones will hopefully take the redundancy where as the newer ones will take the step down to shift leader on a protected salary for 18 months. That way the concern for not having managers in stores is negated as they will remain just classed as shift leaders.

My store has a large number of established managers, who would take redundancy.
I just cannot vision Tesco paying 100's if not 1000's of TM's to leave the business, and change the whole operating model just like that.
Tesco has always been very good at making changes and leaving you no option but to accept those changes one way or another.
I think the T.M role is on its way out, but Tesco want the T.M's to leave under their own steam.

Tesco isn't going to make the entire manager population redundant after a 30 day consultation period. No billion pound business is run on hourly paid colleagues as shift leaders.

With no team managers are you saying all work level 3 store managers will drop down to level 2? And SD to to level 3? Never happening.

They won't get rid of all managers, they will be put into consultation. They will roll out a new structure, the existing managers will have to interview for the vacancies. If successful the will be appointed into said role. If unsuccessful they will be offered the shift leader role with protected pay diminishing over time to soften the blow. I would imagine most managers would accept the shift leader role rather than look for a new job in a climate that is practically hostile to full time workers.

That won't happen as if you enter consultation you have to be offered redundancy, the uptake would be way too risky for the business.

They will remove roles and pressure being into moving or natural leavers. This is the most sensible option.

I believe that they will keep some managers especially in an extra..ie, one for fresh, one for front end and then put shift leaders in to run the shifts. As for leads, will there be any need for them in this structure? Will redundancies be offered?

Many roles have been removed over the years, with the last one being the removal of stock control manager ( even though some stores still retain them ). With the new roll out of pick, fill and serve, maybe that is a route they may go down. You will have a dedicated dot com TM, a dedicated services TM and ambient/fresh role combines into one TM?
I do feel that if redundancy is offered a lot of TM's would fancy it. And the company is apparently awash with money (an SM's opinion, not mine ) so potentially could be a case for the company to use that option.

I think we are definitely moving towards fresh/bread/produce being merged under 1 manager with two shifts leaders there as support.

In our large extra we now only have 1 fresh manager and have done since Easter. It works I mean he spends all the time doing paper work.

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Quote from: Nightworker on 20-01-23, 07:35PMClearly you have a very poor understanding of how Tesco operate. Nothing they do makes any sense however they do it anyway

Yeah that's why they turn in a profit every year and been around for decades and decades it makes no sense whatever 

The only thing that will surprise me in the next few weeks is if there are NO surprises

This is the annual review, been in pipeline for sometime however covid hit. The consultation options will be around reapplying for a manager role or apply for shift leader with the protection payment. Mngrs will be able to apply for a position and this could be in any store so some mngrs may look to get nearer home. There will be a scoring process prior hence why grade governance needs signing off Monday 23rd by SM ready for cluster discussions. What matters to you survey being pushed to be completed by Monday ..... They did this with Metro structures, they did people partners just over a year ago and recently the office and security/shrink. They would happily let mngrs take redundancy the long term savings are worth it. Lead team again can apply for position in any store redundancy would be viable option for long serving mngrs. However SM Express is same level so these vacancies will also be on the table.

Quote from: randomworker on 20-01-23, 08:36PM

Quote from: Nightworker on 20-01-23, 07:35PMClearly you have a very poor understanding of how Tesco operate. Nothing they do makes any sense however they do it anyway

Yeah that's why they turn in a profit every year and been around for decades and decades it makes no sense whatever 

Apart from when they recorded a loss of £6.4B in 2015 Then closed my db pension and numerous other benefits which made Tesco a great place to work

Until they block the SM from final scoring their managers, then the nepotism and favouring will continue. The bully boy, or stale toxic culture will remain.

A lot of SM's surround themselves with yes managers, who do everything they're told without question. Anyone who stands up for themselves or challenges, is subject to a bad annual review and non mets by the one person they challenged.

The amount of GA 's I have seen sacked over the years for things that shouldn't have got that far, due to the SM being involved behind the scenes to ensure the outcome, then sits in final judgement supposedly being neutral! Any appeal, then another matey local SM is brought in to uphold it!

Quote from: Olivia Pope on 21-01-23, 01:36AMThis is the annual review, been in pipeline for sometime however covid hit. The consultation options will be around reapplying for a manager role or apply for shift leader with the protection payment. Mngrs will be able to apply for a position and this could be in any store so some mngrs may look to get nearer home. There will be a scoring process prior hence why grade governance needs signing off Monday 23rd by SM ready for cluster discussions. What matters to you survey being pushed to be completed by Monday ..... They did this with Metro structures, they did people partners just over a year ago and recently the office and security/shrink. They would happily let mngrs take redundancy the long term savings are worth it. Lead team again can apply for position in any store redundancy would be viable option for long serving mngrs. However SM Express is same level so these vacancies will also be on the table.

Grades need to be signed off by 23rd?
There are still 3-4 weeks to the end of the Tesco year.(EOY grades are never decided in advance!

My fellow managers have this weekend to throw themselves at our store manager.
She likes flavoured gin, galaxy chocolate and yankee candles by the way.

I never bought into this idea that a company or individual must act and do as I expect. End of the day it's business and Tesco offer a job and money in exchange for my labour.

These supermarkets will do as they see fit to survive in a competitive landscape. If I feel like a company has changed and don't meet my expectations then I move on. I ain't owed a living.

The individuals who shop and work there will change over time as what is important to them changes.

Tesco are a means to an end for me if they closed down tomorrow then i move on in life. But until that day happens I will happily freely give my labour in exchange for money. I don't need their fake social, well being or personal development mumble jumble they like to spin now and then 

Without any proof this is all speculation.

TMs are a waste of money. My store has 4 TMs, one has probably 60% of the shop.
The rest split between the other 3.

The one that has 60% spends 90% of the week on the floor. The other 3 100% in office.

Literally the only one that has anything done is the one who spends the time one the floor. Reviews done, training up to date, department Rotas done weeks/full month ahead. Always has everything covered or has a strong plan in place to address the issues.

The other 3 nothing, week by week rota if lucky.

Probably a lot more stores like this example. Stores can run with next to no managers if shift leaders are in place.

Quote from: randomworker on 21-01-23, 09:31AMI never bought into this idea that a company or individual must act and do as I expect. End of the day it's business and Tesco offer a job and money in exchange for my labour.

These supermarkets will do as they see fit to survive in a competitive landscape. If I feel like a company has changed and don't meet my expectations then I move on. I ain't owed a living.

The individuals who shop and work there will change over time as what is important to them changes.

Tesco are a means to an end for me if they closed down tomorrow then i move on in life. But until that day happens I will happily freely give my labour in exchange for money. I don't need their fake social, well being or personal development mumble jumble they like to spin now and then 

@stockstackreduction and @davethebabe. I can assure you that EVERY year we are asked to submit expected grades PRIOR to them being completed, of course some may change however with the no grade should be a surprise motto it is very very few that are amended.
The SM meetings in clusters to agree scoring and fairness so consistency can be deemed have been booked in therefore no speculation I am afraid to say we know it's coming just not the final details.