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Title: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 05-02-23, 02:55PM
Just wondering if any official news about 2023 pay review yet?

There's rumours about it being £11 hour but also rumours Sunday premiums (especially for those like me who do them as overtime) will be scrapped.

Not heard anything official yet so wondering if anyone else has?

Be nice if we get £11.50 or even £12 as a round up number but I doubt that will ever happen!

Just making new thread for 2023 pay and asking because the wage talks were supposed to be in January and not heard anything if its happened or what the outcome is yet.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 05-02-23, 05:53PM
expect a cut in any or all premiums but i would also expect it to be around the 11 quid mark.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: dairyfresh on 06-02-23, 04:10AM
Seen on yammer it's on store planning guide for week 52
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-02-23, 10:10AM
When is week 52?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AM
Not only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 06-02-23, 10:40AM
Quote from: fatlad on 06-02-23, 10:10AMWhen is week 52?

2 weeks time
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 06-02-23, 01:53PM
how does one get access to yammer? Well particularly the yammer thread that includes such updates? Is it only for managers?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 06-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

Our union one told us that the current negotiation is £11 and no premium 😂.

They are trying to "justify" a higher rate of pay by saying they'll remove time and quarter for bank holidays / Sunday.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 06-02-23, 03:12PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

My goodness... I bet you're fun at parties Bobmay 8-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 06-02-23, 03:15PM
Quote from: barafear on 06-02-23, 01:53PMhow does one get access to yammer? Well particularly the yammer thread that includes such updates? Is it only for managers?


The planning guide is for all to see on Tesc0 Help and isn't just restricted to Management.

In terms of Yammer you'd have to call Helpdesk and get assigned a licence, think it stopped being automatic because of cost doling them out willy nilly.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 06-02-23, 05:31PM
Think is I have yammer but never see any these updates I think I have a "half license" or something. Lots are "you don't have permission to view" all I can view is dead unused groups that's not been updated for 2 years 😂 🤣
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NoSkimmedMilk on 06-02-23, 08:52PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 06-02-23, 03:12PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

My goodness... I bet you're fun at parties Bobmay 8-)


🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 07-02-23, 09:45AM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 06-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

Our union one told us that the current negotiation is £11 and no premium 😂.

They are trying to "justify" a higher rate of pay by saying they'll remove time and quarter for bank holidays / Sunday.

that would cut out contractual pay! There's no way they could get away with that... they'd have to pay protection for 2 years and then after that, if not before loose a whole load of people AGAIN!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 07-02-23, 09:50AM
The Sunday premium will be interesting because scrapping it for new starters is one thing. Scrapping it for those longer term colleagues who do overtime  is something else entirely.

Lets say Betty, Nancy and Jon all joined in 2009 and work on potential reductions/counts. Both Betty and Nancy are contracted Sundays while Jon isn't. Nancy goes off sick so Jon as one of the only people trained on stock control is expected to come in and do her shift. Exactly the same work load as Betty but Jon is getting paid less.

Can you imagine it?

It will be the same on checkouts, Joyce who has worked for Tesco 25 years but is  not contracted Sunday will not come in and be paid less for doing a Sunday than Lola who joined in 2022 is.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 07-02-23, 10:10AM
The expected to do her shift,I think they can expect what they want they are in for what they have set themselves up for.Thats what happens when you look at people as hours they start thinking like them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 07-02-23, 10:19AM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 06-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

Our union one told us that the current negotiation is £11 and no premium 😂.

They are trying to "justify" a higher rate of pay by saying they'll remove time and quarter for bank holidays / Sunday.

As I suspected.I get 15.60 an hour on saturdays and if it bank holiday on sunday I get paid right right 17.90 an hour.So ofcourse they will cut premium which is why I advise people who are offered redundancy take it and dont look back.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 07-02-23, 10:21AM
Quote from: Cbatt566 on 07-02-23, 09:45AM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 06-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 06-02-23, 10:28AMNot only will Staff numbers will be cut but also  I expect premium to be cut

Our union one told us that the current negotiation is £11 and no premium 😂.

They are trying to "justify" a higher rate of pay by saying they'll remove time and quarter for bank holidays / Sunday.

that would cut out contractual pay! There's no way they could get away with that... they'd have to pay protection for 2 years and then after that, if not before loose a whole load of people AGAIN!

They could get away with it.If you dont know tesco use to pay double pay for people who worked Saturdays and sundays overtime.Double pay for night shift.As I strongly believe they will cut premium which they give now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 07-02-23, 10:24AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 07-02-23, 09:50AMThe Sunday premium will be interesting because scrapping it for new starters is one thing. Scrapping it for those longer term colleagues who do overtime  is something else entirely.

Lets say Betty, Nancy and Jon all joined in 2009 and work on potential reductions/counts. Both Betty and Nancy are contracted Sundays while Jon isn't. Nancy goes off sick so Jon as one of the only people trained on stock control is expected to come in and do her shift. Exactly the same work load as Betty but Jon is getting paid less.

Can you imagine it?

It will be the same on checkouts, Joyce who has worked for Tesco 25 years but is  not contracted Sunday will not come in and be paid less for doing a Sunday than Lola who joined in 2022 is.

With the new contract and marketplace app that will no problem.With the new contract people will be working mutliple different departments and being trained in them. With the marketplace app in the future a person will be able to work overtime in multiple stores in their area if they want to. So let's say someone is on holiday or sick for example you can arrange overtime from a pool of workers. This will also be cost effective and tesco will not need to spend money on training and employing new people all the time.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 07-02-23, 10:31AM
Not seen anyone trained in stock control and they are crying about shrink etc, as for the marketplace won't be using it, this company has funnily enough changed a lot of people's mindset to help or do extra.  If you need it then fair enough.  They don't spend any money on training by the way.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 07-02-23, 12:09PM
Yeah as far as I'm aware stock control won't be appearing on extra hours market except to those who are actually contracted to it as a primary.

If you are also in on job14 you are excempt from being placed on checkouts too during the call outs, so in essence USDAW need to be asking why Tesco aren't classing it as a special skill
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Redshoes on 07-02-23, 12:26PM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 07-02-23, 09:50AMThe Sunday premium will be interesting because scrapping it for new starters is one thing. Scrapping it for those longer term colleagues who do overtime  is something else entirely.

Lets say Betty, Nancy and Jon all joined in 2009 and work on potential reductions/counts. Both Betty and Nancy are contracted Sundays while Jon isn't. Nancy goes off sick so Jon as one of the only people trained on stock control is expected to come in and do her shift. Exactly the same work load as Betty but Jon is getting paid less.

Can you imagine it?

It will be the same on checkouts, Joyce who has worked for Tesco 25 years but is  not contracted Sunday will not come in and be paid less for doing a Sunday than Lola who joined in 2022 is.

We went through years of some being on double time on Sunday and others on time and a half.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 07-02-23, 12:39PM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 07-02-23, 12:09PMYeah as far as I'm aware stock control won't be appearing on extra hours market except to those who are actually contracted to it as a primary.

If you are also in on job14 you are excempt from being placed on checkouts too during the call outs, so in essence USDAW need to be asking why Tesco aren't classing it as a special skill

Unfortunately stock control is on extra hour's market place for those that are trained to do it just like PFS, grocery and checkouts.
As for job 14 colleagues they are not ring fenced in any way shape or form, so if needed they can spend their entire shift on checkouts!
Just because your store has decided to ring fence job 14 colleagues doesn't mean it's company policy!
Usdaw can ask for it to be a skills payment, but let's be honest here job 14 isn't difficult and is no way a specialist skill compared to other departments that also do not get the skills payment.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 07-02-23, 12:52PM
To be honest and fair to those doing job 14 they don't get enough hours or time to do it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CaramelBunny on 07-02-23, 02:10PM
Anyone mocking job14 colleagues needs to pipe down. Its not an easy job if the other routines in your store aren't followed and they are usually the first ones to get the blame when waste goes tits up.

Like said above, those colleagues don't have enough time to do the job expected, a job which I might add is a legal requirement by law..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 07-02-23, 02:55PM
So....let's say the new rate is £11.00 but premium goes.

Someone who is on 36.5 hours a week (7.5 of those being on a Sunday) would currently be on £395.26 a week at today's rate (7.5hr x £12.87.5 = £96.56 + 29hr x £10.30 = 298.70)

On the 'New' rate (if it is indeed £11.00 without premium) then they'd be on £401.50 a week (36.5hr x £11.00)

So, as they'd be earning more than they were previously over the course of the week, does this then excuse Tesco of having to offer any protected pay for the loss in Sunday rate??

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Er17 on 07-02-23, 03:17PM
So basically an increase of 17p an hour once you've lost the Sunday premium
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 07-02-23, 03:27PM
I'd think it likely they'd use that excuse as the person in that scenario would be taking home more money rather than less.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Himynameus on 07-02-23, 04:03PM
But that won't work in all cases I do 14 hours - 7 on a Sunday and 7 on another day so will be worse off. There's hardly any full-time staff any more all on small contract.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 07-02-23, 04:35PM
Get ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-02-23, 04:49PM
a lot dropped sundays when it went from time and half to time and quarter, once it goes to just time (which is what's being offered for the £11.00 per hour), don't think many will even do it anymore.. many of us lost a lot of money when they "increased" wages before while cutting it, lost in the short term, gain over the next few years.. so that'll be stripped again.. Company just trying to commit suicide to be honest.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-02-23, 04:56PM
That was an underhanded disingenuous payrise when they did that, comparing the overall pay over 2 years from a year before the 2 year deal started, in effect the overall increase year on year was half what they stated (sometimes even less) because of how they did it.

To be fair though, It seems Tesco learned its lesson from that, they won't be doing it again.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 07-02-23, 05:04PM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 07-02-23, 09:50AMThe Sunday premium will be interesting because scrapping it for new starters is one thing. Scrapping it for those longer term colleagues who do overtime  is something else entirely.

Lets say Betty, Nancy and Jon all joined in 2009 and work on potential reductions/counts. Both Betty and Nancy are contracted Sundays while Jon isn't. Nancy goes off sick so Jon as one of the only people trained on stock control is expected to come in and do her shift. Exactly the same work load as Betty but Jon is getting paid less.

Can you imagine it?

It will be the same on checkouts, Joyce who has worked for Tesco 25 years but is  not contracted Sunday will not come in and be paid less for doing a Sunday than Lola who joined in 2022 is.

Currently happening in distribution. A person who walks through the door and starts today will be on more than someone working along side them with decades of experience
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-02-23, 05:06PM
I'm normally quite vocal on these threads about the "upcoming pay review" - i like to discuss different options etc. I'm still not quite sure where this £11/hour and no premiums has actually come from - is it still just a rumour or has an Usdaw rep mentioned it?
Either way, it obviously shouldn't surprise most people.

As for Tesco "compensating" those people adversely affected - given there's not much "fat" to trim anymore - there's unlikely to be much need for compo! And I'm sure they will probably do as they did before, i.e. if you work more than 15+ hours (And Sunday's are only a small proportion) then you're likely to see an average pay rise of "let's say 3%" compared to the announced 7% - but won't be eligible for compo because they haven't suffered a pay cut.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 07-02-23, 05:12PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 07-02-23, 04:35PMGet ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.
This is the exact situation in my store & they're short enough on a Sunday as it is!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rayinski on 07-02-23, 06:33PM
If and I do mean if we get the £11ph at the cost of sunday/bank holiday premiums then good luck getting people in. I won't work bank holidays as I don't agree with shops being open and I'm currently contracted to a sunday and can't get a replacement shift
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 08-02-23, 08:28AM
The Sunday premium was always going to go at some point, the wheels were set in motion for it last summer, but I suspect they will keep bank holiday premium for another year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Redshoes on 08-02-23, 08:58AM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 07-02-23, 05:12PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 07-02-23, 04:35PMGet ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.
This is the exact situation in my store & they're short enough on a Sunday as it is!!

We have done this all before. The old timers lost Sat premium, they lost double time etc. For me personally I'm better off without double time. It was just not worth me working as I just paid so much more in tax.
I'm in a Scottish store and we have a longer trading day. We take more money on a Sun than we do on a Tues or Wed.
I would happily take on a contracted Sun, it would work for me. It's not about the money. I would gladly work Sun so I can have two days off in the week. I was lucky enough to be contracted to Sun once and it made life so much easier by being able to be at home two days in the week.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 08-02-23, 09:31AM
Yeah, each to their own. Everyone's situation is different.

For me, well I'm ready to drop a day anyway, & getting paid less than I was previously on a Sunday just doesn't sit well.

If I ever need a little extra, then I know I can always pick up hours elsewhere (always O.T. available in my store).

It's all just speculation for now anyway.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 08-02-23, 10:15AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-02-23, 04:56PMThat was an underhanded disingenuous payrise when they did that, comparing the overall pay over 2 years from a year before the 2 year deal started, in effect the overall increase year on year was half what they stated (sometimes even less) because of how they did it.

To be fair though, It seems Tesco learned its lesson from that, they won't be doing it again.
I can't see why the company wouldn't do the same scenario again when they went from time and a half to time and a quarter, im sure in our store 2 members of staff out of 400 got compensated because they were worse off and those 2 members of staff were only contracted on a Sunday, I'm guessing it will be the same scenario again if they removed the time and a quarter.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-02-23, 11:10AM
They received a lot of backlash from it, they haven't done a "2 year pay deal" since, they risk alienating a lot of staff causing them to resign for the competition if they do it again, especially in these times of labour shortages, stiff competition and the cost of living. USDAW wouldn't allow it either for the same reasons as it would mean less members.

Saying that though, Rishi Sunak is toying with the idea of Workfare 2.0 to get the NEETs and economically inactive into these sorts of jobs to assuage the labour shortage problem (read, interfere with the natural course of supply and demand) don't imagine it will go down well though.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: T.C.1 on 08-02-23, 11:43AM
Interesting read on ITV online news, they were going on about a Tesco in Hampshire and how self service tills were taking over the store and how few till staff there was. In the article  Tesco said it was going to make a substantial increase in there base rate and have far more hours available for staff the article was dated last Sunday.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Redshoes on 08-02-23, 11:55AM
This has already happened. Checkouts have been so tight on hours but it has been better in the last couple of weeks. Early Jan was awful but just as bad for whole store.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 08-02-23, 12:21PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-02-23, 11:10AMThey received a lot of backlash from it, they haven't done a "2 year pay deal" since, they risk alienating a lot of staff causing them to resign for the competition if they do it again, especially in these times of labour shortages, stiff competition and the cost of living. USDAW wouldn't allow it either for the same reasons as it would mean less members.

Saying that though, Rishi Sunak is toying with the idea of Workfare 2.0 to get the NEETs and economically inactive into these sorts of jobs to assuage the labour shortage problem (read, interfere with the natural course of supply and demand) don't imagine it will go down well though.
So you think Tesco would compensate all colleagues who are contracted on a Sunday if they removed the premium, it would certainly be a lot fairer
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-02-23, 12:39PM
It would form part of their contracted pay if they are contracted Sundays, protected pay would kick in for all those affected at a minimum. That's what happened last time (even if it was skewed because they compared the 2nd year of the pay deal to earnings from 2 years ago).
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Himynameus on 08-02-23, 02:09PM
If they do get rid good luck getting anyone to work Boxing Day or New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 08-02-23, 03:31PM
To lose Sunday/ bh payment would be a blow for most another case of Sunday workers subsidising week day workers pay rise, if this is sanctioned by the union they need to think about who pays them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 08-02-23, 05:21PM
If we're pinning our hopes on the Union, then we're definitely screwed  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 08-02-23, 05:52PM
The Skills Payment will be one to watch out for.
Shift Leaders get same skills payment as Service Team Support in Large stores, which to me is unfair
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 08-02-23, 06:53PM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 08-02-23, 05:21PMIf we're pinning our hopes on the Union, then we're definitely screwed  ;D  ;D  ;D

It'd be interesting to know how many people pay into the union, cos I don't! Waste of money plus I'm only 1 day a week.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 08-02-23, 07:39PM
I've been there over 10 years and never paid a penny to them cos in my opinion it isn't worth it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 08-02-23, 08:21PM
Same here....quit them a loooooong time ago.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Beanny on 08-02-23, 09:15PM
Union only good when you need represented in a serious disciplinary situation!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 08-02-23, 10:25PM
I've been in disciplinary situations before and represented myself without any problems. You just need to know policy wordings and go into meetings armed with it. Managers doing the disciplinaries don't like it when you know the policies better than they do.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: trivi on 09-02-23, 10:22AM
Having done both team support in large and shift leader in express the pay being the same is ridiculous and needs sorting asap
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bakersdozen on 09-02-23, 06:02PM
I think 6 months Sunday premium should be paid to those who are contracted to Sundays by the potential loss, otherwise its Just taking with one hand to give with the other. Great for most but for those contracted to Sundays it's not very good at all.

I remember when the union negotiated that "great deal" last time the 10% over two years, and signed away our bonus scheme in the process, with time and a half going.

Everyone seems to forget about our bonus, I remember the first year it went from shares to cash award which was 5% in 2016, I got just over £1k which was very nice.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 09-02-23, 06:15PM
Quote from: trivi on 09-02-23, 10:22AMHaving done both team support in large and shift leader in express the pay being the same is ridiculous and needs sorting asap

Totally
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 09-02-23, 07:09PM
Quote from: trivi on 09-02-23, 10:22AMHaving done both team support in large and shift leader in express the pay being the same is ridiculous and needs sorting asap

In what way? I dont work in store so dont know which(or for what reason) is classed as 'easiest'
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 09-02-23, 07:11PM
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 09-02-23, 06:02PMI think 6 months Sunday premium should be paid to those who are contracted to Sundays by the potential loss, otherwise its Just taking with one hand to give with the other. Great for most but for those contracted to Sundays it's not very good at all.

I remember when the union negotiated that "great deal" last time the 10% over two years, and signed away our bonus scheme in the process, with time and a half going.

Everyone seems to forget about our bonus, I remember the first year it went from shares to cash award which was 5% in 2016, I got just over £1k which was very nice.



I think sunday premium should be paid to all staff who work a sunday, permanently
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-02-23, 07:37PM
Quote from: grim up north on 09-02-23, 07:09PM
Quote from: trivi on 09-02-23, 10:22AMHaving done both team support in large and shift leader in express the pay being the same is ridiculous and needs sorting asap

In what way? I dont work in store so dont know which(or for what reason) is classed as 'easiest'

Shift Leaders are far harder, they're always duty manager in charge of everything 95% of the time, that factor alone means they should be paid more.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: trivi on 09-02-23, 07:58PM
My shift leader jobs today
Labels, cleaning, pr scan, waste, working backstock bringing 2 deliveries in, filling fresh and frozen delivery, covering tills at lunchtime rush

My usual team support day
Break planning, putbacks, queue directing
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 09-02-23, 08:00PM
Quote from: trivi on 09-02-23, 07:58PMMy shift leader jobs today
Labels, cleaning, pr scan, waste, working backstock bringing 2 deliveries in, filling fresh and frozen delivery, covering tills at lunchtime rush

My usual team support day
Break planning, putbacks, queue directing

Literally
I've done both roles. Left Service Team Support in August to become Shift Leader and have to say Service Team Support is p**s easy compared to Shift Leader
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 09-02-23, 11:18PM
Did you not have any staff to work the deliveries .What size store do you work in.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 10-02-23, 08:53AM
Sounds like a normal day for a night manager at ours 😂, starts with pi, starts filling shelves afterwards, will stop inbetween or afterwards for wagons and throws the cages off, lifts about 2 to 3 produce trays at once splitting it all down in back, (and wonders why his back hurts lifting 30 to 40kg each time), then jumps in where help is needed, does the milk/bread deliveries and takes a break if he's lucky at the end of the last hourfor 15 to 30 mins.

Doesn't know the meaning of cleaning though, like a bull in a China shop,if he makes a mess he leaving, if he sees one it's staying there.

So nothing much will change for them I guess apart from their pay?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Babs on 12-02-23, 01:59AM
I didn't get any protected pay, back when they got rid of the premium between 10pm - midnight... which I still don't agree with!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: flowerpower on 12-02-23, 09:50AM
Babs I'm the same went back on nights was on them for over a year but didn't get the payment because it was the wrong year  >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 12-02-23, 10:18AM
Zoom call on Monday 20th February for store USDAW reps regarding outcome of 2023 Pay Review.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 12-02-23, 01:03PM
Source?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 12-02-23, 03:17PM
The email was sent to store managers on February 7th. Found a print out in the canteen, I'm guessing one of my store reps left in there... or maybe the store manager  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 12-02-23, 05:07PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 12-02-23, 07:27PM
Quote from: Babs on 12-02-23, 01:59AMI didn't get any protected pay, back when they got rid of the premium between 10pm - midnight... which I still don't agree with!
I've been on nights 7 years and have never heard any mention of protected pay!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 12-02-23, 09:00PM
Quote from: Babs on 12-02-23, 01:59AMI didn't get any protected pay, back when they got rid of the premium between 10pm - midnight... which I still don't agree with!

Never got any either, they said everyone was better off... Wasn't for months.. So always bs.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Andi on 12-02-23, 09:37PM
The simple fact is USDAW have no bargaining power hence why we are losing everything.  We were in the canteen the other night and our union rep was sitting in the corner and we knew he was there, we were discussing the possibility of losing night shift premiums and Sun premiums and what those who worked Sat night might do and us who work the other nights might do as well.  We might be getting a raise to £11 an hour but we are still losing money and we also said that at every pay review we have lost something and the union was useless.  Our rep got up and was angry at what we were saying and shouted at us about how the pay review was only agreed 6 weeks ago and we are speculating about what it is after reading about it on this page.  We told him we know its speculation and we are allowed to discuss what may come.

Personally I think the union is rubbish and we need the same union as the HGV drivers as usdaw have no bargaining power and in my experience are rubbish in meetings as well.  It's like they are in Tesco's back pocket.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 13-02-23, 08:35AM
The problem isn't USDAW as such since they do represent HGV drivers too, it's the job role. HGV driving is a skilled role that isn't easy to replace, although the driver shortage has eased somewhat. Whereas just about anyone can walk into shop floor work, union membership is fairly low & even if a strike was voted for many folk would struggle to afford to strike for more than 1 or two days. So whatever union represents the shop floor workers will have sod all bargaining power.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 13-02-23, 12:06PM
Time during strike action for strikers is often reimbursed to workers by the union so they can afford to go on strike, though not all unions do this.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 13-02-23, 12:14PM
Quote from: Andi on 12-02-23, 09:37PMThe simple fact is USDAW have no bargaining power hence why we are losing everything.  We were in the canteen the other night and our union rep was sitting in the corner and we knew he was there, we were discussing the possibility of losing night shift premiums and Sun premiums and what those who worked Sat night might do and us who work the other nights might do as well.  We might be getting a raise to £11 an hour but we are still losing money and we also said that at every pay review we have lost something and the union was useless.  Our rep got up and was angry at what we were saying and shouted at us about how the pay review was only agreed 6 weeks ago and we are speculating about what it is after reading about it on this page.  We told him we know its speculation and we are allowed to discuss what may come.

Personally I think the union is rubbish and we need the same union as the HGV drivers as usdaw have no bargaining power and in my experience are rubbish in meetings as well.  It's like they are in Tesco's back pocket.
USDAW are definitely in Tesco's back pocket they always have been! I stopped paying them 6 years ago and never regretted it!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 13-02-23, 02:37PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 13-02-23, 12:06PMTime during strike action for strikers is often reimbursed to workers by the union so they can afford to go on strike, though not all unions do this.
strike pay for USDAW is £50/week - there's quite a few folk who would struggle at that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-02-23, 04:57PM
Quote from: Andi on 12-02-23, 09:37PMThe simple fact is USDAW have no bargaining power hence why we are losing everything.  We were in the canteen the other night and our union rep was sitting in the corner and we knew he was there, we were discussing the possibility of losing night shift premiums and Sun premiums and what those who worked Sat night might do and us who work the other nights might do as well.  We might be getting a raise to £11 an hour but we are still losing money and we also said that at every pay review we have lost something and the union was useless.  Our rep got up and was angry at what we were saying and shouted at us about how the pay review was only agreed 6 weeks ago and we are speculating about what it is after reading about it on this page.  We told him we know its speculation and we are allowed to discuss what may come.

Personally I think the union is rubbish and we need the same union as the HGV drivers as usdaw have no bargaining power and in my experience are rubbish in meetings as well.  It's like they are in Tesco's back pocket.

What do you want then, No union at all? We would all be working in similar ways to Amazon workers if that was the case. A union is only as powerful as its members make it and what except moan and groan do you do to help the cause?

People like you make me mad, complain about everything and expect others to sort it out, I hope you have left the union with your depth of feeling otherwise you are a total hypocrite.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 13-02-23, 05:57PM
In Usdaws case when it comes to retail staff in Tesco it does not matter how many members it has or how loud the voices are thanks to the partnership the union is little more than a nodding dog that goes along with Tescos tune.

Came across some great reps in my many years working for Tesco but above them the union are a disgrace when it comes to Tesco, and it was put in our store forum many times could we have a say on if the partenrship should continue, guess what thrown out every single time without so much as a debate on the matter.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 13-02-23, 06:33PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 13-02-23, 04:57PM
Quote from: Andi on 12-02-23, 09:37PMThe simple fact is USDAW have no bargaining power hence why we are losing everything.  We were in the canteen the other night and our union rep was sitting in the corner and we knew he was there, we were discussing the possibility of losing night shift premiums and Sun premiums and what those who worked Sat night might do and us who work the other nights might do as well.  We might be getting a raise to £11 an hour but we are still losing money and we also said that at every pay review we have lost something and the union was useless.  Our rep got up and was angry at what we were saying and shouted at us about how the pay review was only agreed 6 weeks ago and we are speculating about what it is after reading about it on this page.  We told him we know its speculation and we are allowed to discuss what may come.

Personally I think the union is rubbish and we need the same union as the HGV drivers as usdaw have no bargaining power and in my experience are rubbish in meetings as well.  It's like they are in Tesco's back pocket.

What do you want then, No union at all? We would all be working in similar ways to Amazon workers if that was the case. A union is only as powerful as its members make it and what except moan and groan do you do to help the cause?

People like you make me mad, complain about everything and expect others to sort it out, I hope you have left the union with your depth of feeling otherwise you are a total hypocrite.
If you're answering my comment YES I did send them a email and told them exactly what I thought about them in no uncertain terms! And yes everyone would be better off without them because Tesco put money in their back pockets to get what they want... and by the way people like you make me sick no one is moaning and groaning just stating facts! 🤬🤬
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 13-02-23, 07:09PM
How do you leave the union ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 13-02-23, 07:37PM
I emailed them! If you google USDAW their page comes up with email address and phone number.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-02-23, 09:44PM
Quote from: universe on 13-02-23, 07:09PMHow do you leave the union ?

Just phone them and tell them you want to leave.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rebel123 on 14-02-23, 08:29AM
The problem with udaw is the do not discuss anything with there members and basically agree to tescos demands all unions should discuss pay and conditions with there members and allow there members to either accept or reject offers until this happens I will not join
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 14-02-23, 08:57AM
We gave up our rights years ago time to have a new vote on our terms and conditions so we get the right back to vote on it then maybe uselessdaw might get more members.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 14-02-23, 09:49AM
There are some shocking comments on here. Absolutely no union member or representative of them should be slating any non-union member. The union is a choice! Yes, you read correctly, a choice! And in fact, think about it... USDAW need to work on keeping members during a cost of living crisis, cancelling membership or just general uptake must be at an all time low! They need to ask what the cost benefit is to members... do they want to be throwing money away in this current climate? I wouldn't...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 14-02-23, 10:15AM
This thread has turned into a debate about the Union instead of the 2023 pay review as in the title.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 14-02-23, 10:27AM
fatlad is correct please return to Pay review 2023.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 14-02-23, 11:48AM
Very well.
What have THE UNION proposed to Tesco is the 2023 pay increase?

Funny how all the other unions can bargain for 10% against their public service counterparts but an actual profitable company that can raise prices with inflation and is part of the inflation problem can't get a slice of that increased revenue for its staff.
Especially seeing as 2-3 years ago we were equal in the eyes of the public to the health service.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 14-02-23, 12:09PM
I wouldnt say or even think equal,yes essential worker but no way equal,thats absurd
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 14-02-23, 05:51PM
Food inflation is running at around 15%, inflation in general is over 10% so as a minimum USDAW should be aiming for double digits.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: randomworker on 14-02-23, 06:10PM
Slipping back into the union talk again  ;D

You will get around £10.90ph - £11.00ph. The ideal would have had the increase in our March wage slips but this can be pushed out to the April wage slip because they would still met the Gov living wage starting on April 1st

People wanting double digit wage increases are living in cuckoo land as the industry does not have the room for those increases and no way Tesco are gonna pay more than Aldi  :D

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 14-02-23, 06:38PM
I'd hate to be defeatist, but expecting 10% increase (in one go) is not living in the "Tesco World" - even if you think it might be "in the real world"
Over the last couple of years, the pay reviews have been a bit haphazard - and the latest "additional" 20p we got in November was fairly ridiculous in my mind - in fact, if they had just made it a decent amount - in order to justify the expense of advising/advertising/making posters about it - and then updating pay systems etc. - then Tesco wouldn't be in the pickle that it is in now - i.e. not having the wriggle room - which they've used in the past three or four years - to delay any "announced pay rise" to later in the year - so because our current pay of £10.30 is below the upcoming change to the NLW (£10.42 from 1st April) - then Tesco are forced to announce an increase before then.
They do still have that option of giving us an immediate 20p again - and then announce a second increase later in the year - but given so many rivals are already paying £11 an hour, I do think this time Tesco will play ball - and just have the one increase and implement it from March probably - they're not leaving much room for manoeuvre -
However, the problem is that as so many rivals have made the first move, Tesco are only obliged to "match" them rather than being able to boast - even if only for a short time - as being the highest paying supermarket - so unfortunately, it does seem that a new base rate of £11 - £11.10 is on the cards - and even that might be at the expense of premiums being cut.

One thing that hasn't been discussed - probably because it won't happen! - is that Tesco do have the option to offer us a more generous discount scheme - last year, they upped the limit to £1500 per year - but clearly, this only benefits those with "larger families" - or perversely, it also benefits the better paid (e.g. senior management or directors) who could afford to buy a trolley full of Tesco finest items or expensive non-food items.

The obvious improvements to the discount scheme could be extending the 15% discount to 7 days per "pay period" rather than 4 - it's not a massive improvement - but would mean 91 days a year at 15% rather than the current 52.
Of course, increasing discount permanently to 15% would be a better option - for staff - but unlikely to happen.

Maybe even encouraging us to use Clubcard Pay + (to get the extra discounts on there) - maybe allowing us to pay £3.99 a month rather than £7.99?

There are some non-pay stuff they could do - but ultimately the pay will be the major factor - and Tesco will be keen to not be the only supermarket not paying £11 - so that's very likely to be where they go - but not much higher.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 14-02-23, 06:39PM
ooops - looked like my reply was similar to someone else's whilst I was writing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 14-02-23, 07:54PM
tosco shop floor workers are not valued one bit by murphy. he will only pay us what he must legally otherwise less bonus and profits for him and his rich friends at top. f*** discount, spend elsewhere!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 14-02-23, 08:41PM
Tesco has sent Comms down today regarding the king's coronation in which it states that colleagues will get time and a quarter, so looks like bank holiday premiums are untouched in the pay review.
However knowing how Tesco HO departments refuse to speak to each other It could be that the department responsible for the king's coronation haven't been told the outcome or intended outcome yet!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Fair play on 14-02-23, 08:54PM
Quote from: FarmerFred on 13-02-23, 02:37PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 13-02-23, 12:06PMTime during strike action for strikers is often reimbursed to workers by the union so they can afford to go on strike, though not all unions do this.
strike pay for USDAW is £50/week - there's quite a few folk who would struggle at that.
Quote from: Morris999 on 14-02-23, 08:41PMTesco has sent Comms down today regarding the king's coronation in which it states that colleagues will get time and a quarter, so looks like bank holiday premiums are untouched in the pay review.
However knowing how Tesco HO departments refuse to speak to each other It could be that the department responsible for the king's coronation haven't been told the outcome or intended outcome yet!
Quote from: barafear on 14-02-23, 06:39PMooops - looked like my reply was similar to someone else's whilst I was writing.
Quote from: barafear on 14-02-23, 06:39PMooops - looked like my reply was similar to someone else's whilst I was writing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 14-02-23, 08:56PM
My guess is that the premiums will be untouched until November as a "good faith" then as they do, a general increase of pay instead and they'll market that as "a great benefit".

So be like £10.60 + premium then after November £11.10 no premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Fair play on 14-02-23, 08:58PM
When does our discount start  from . Is it January
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-02-23, 09:01PM
Quote from: rebel123 on 14-02-23, 08:29AMThe problem with udaw is the do not discuss anything with there members and basically agree to tescos demands all unions should discuss pay and conditions with there members and allow there members to either accept or reject offers until this happens I will not join

Yea thats not true either, the store forum is your chance to put across your opinions or do you expect a ballot of every member every time?

What i am against is the partnership agreement that was signed by people who more than likely stopped working for Tesco years ago and yet we are still bound by it.


Quote from: madness on 14-02-23, 11:48AMVery well.
What have THE UNION proposed to Tesco is the 2023 pay increase?

Funny how all the other unions can bargain for 10% against their public service counterparts but an actual profitable company that can raise prices with inflation and is part of the inflation problem can't get a slice of that increased revenue for its staff.
Especially seeing as 2-3 years ago we were equal in the eyes of the public to the health service.


I dont get your argument, all you want it for the union to argue for something Tesco will never agree to in a million years?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 14-02-23, 09:48PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 14-02-23, 08:56PMMy guess is that the premiums will be untouched until November as a "good faith" then as they do, a general increase of pay instead and they'll market that as "a great benefit".

So be like £10.60 + premium then after November £11.10 no premium.
nobody should work bank holidays, sundays, or nights if that is the case. f*** em!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Davethebave on 14-02-23, 09:52PM
With Xmas eve and news years eve both on Sundays this year, removing prems would be a disaster. But then again, this is tesco, no sense at the best of times
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-02-23, 09:55PM
Absolutely, I will never work a BH and never done a sunday in my life when i would be standing next to someone getting more than me because they started before me.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 14-02-23, 11:22PM
If prices continue to keep going up going to see bill the shoplifter and get him to do my shopping and pay him sight cheaper.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Garysmith123 on 15-02-23, 05:40PM
Also with the new management structure for  shift leader, when they go on the new contract will they loose a buy out option if Sunday premium goes as they are agreeing a new contract not very fair ???
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 15-02-23, 07:09PM
Buy out option? Explain.
The "value" of the current 0.25 premium is relative peanuts. And if the same formula is applied as last time, any "shift leader" is likely to be contracted to 25+ hours so the expected 7% ish increase to the base pay will almost offset any lost pay if Sundays go down to plain time.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bakersdozen on 16-02-23, 03:15PM
All information on the payrise will be released to union reps and store managers on the 20th Feb so we should know specifics then.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 17-02-23, 01:22AM
I'm guessing £10.80 for general assistants with premiums untouched then November will be £11ph with Sunday premium taken away.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 17-02-23, 08:12AM
Oh well, if we're just guessing, I'm gonna say, £35 per hour, double time for Sunday's and b/h reinstated and a 20% boys every Christmas. Also 50% staff discount permanently.

Why all the speculation?
Unless someone actually knows what's been agreed, maybe just keep your thoughts to yourselves!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 17-02-23, 08:32AM
Pay review 2023, I'm quite happy to speculate but thanks your your input.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 17-02-23, 03:04PM
Asda getting 11 pounds an hour from April then 11.11 from July. Can't see tesco beating that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 17-02-23, 03:19PM
Extra 11p from July!!! What's the point!! Why are these companies playing "games" with all these shenanigans!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: forrestgimp on 17-02-23, 05:08PM
it looks better than a flat 11 quid and they can say they gave out 2 pay rises in one year. its all about the optics
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 18-02-23, 12:14AM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 17-02-23, 08:12AMOh well, if we're just guessing, I'm gonna say, £35 per hour, double time for Sunday's and b/h reinstated and a 20% boys every Christmas. Also 50% staff discount permanently.

well THAT would be nice lol - im just wondering when we are supposed to get any official news as they promised January and even my managers are all getting annoyed-- particularly since we now are advertising shift leader roles and people are asking "whats the pay gonna be" before they even consider it! lol
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 18-02-23, 12:42AM
They said the negotiations start at the END of January, so they've been quick on negotiating for it to be ready so soon to be honest.. usually it comes a bit later.. Few more days though I guess till we all find out what we got sold out on.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: uklions on 18-02-23, 02:03AM
ASDA got 10% agreed by USDAW https://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/asda-announces-10-pay-rise-for-hourlypaid-store-workers-b1061151.html?fbclid=IwAR1xaA95F2AA78kGcBvkYVA7ALJOvPyDcEpcQvnherHArANe7ghziFsc7N8
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: breeksy on 18-02-23, 06:36AM
They don't have any choice but to decide quickly, given that the rise needs to happen from April in order to remain legal.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 18-02-23, 12:20PM
Tesco need to step up but I won't hold my breath. Looking forward to the announcement on Monday but I suspect we will be losing premiums. Tesco cannot afford to pay unskilled GAs £11 + premiums an hour.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 18-02-23, 05:23PM
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Really- they are forecast to make £2.4 billion profit during a cost of living crisis where for many its a choice of heat or eat. Maybe they will offer a large rise so we become one of the top payers to distract from the moans about excess profits
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 18-02-23, 05:31PM
Ken Murphy said he wants to save the company £1Billion in 3yrs. That's £7Mil per week. A bumper pay raise for GAs won't help with that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 18-02-23, 07:38PM
Except it would massively help as GA's wont jump ship to another retailer and Tesco then have to train and hire all new staff.

They never think this through.
However Ken Murphy has a history of this. No new ideas on how to actually make more money without cutting hours...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 18-02-23, 08:09PM
A few responses to the above posts.......
Giving staff a "big" pay increase won't "appease" the general population in the midst of a cost of living crisis....Tesco will no doubt bang the drum about helping customers with all the special offers they have...most of them just phoney marketing in my mind.
As for improving staff retention because it would mean less costly hiring and training of new staff....well, as the poster who mentioned £1bn savings target ...overall Tesco are surely looking to reduce their staff numbers, both with their management cuts and technology such as self serve/scan.....so not being the best payers won't worry Tesco too much in my opinion.

Although I think Tesco will simply "match" the competition and give us £11 an hour, they still have the opportunity to stagger it.....let's say 50p increase in April and maybe 25p more in November....and at some point cutting premiums. I also fear for location pay.... might not be needed except in inner London....we'll soon find out.

But I cannot see anyone being pleasantly surprised come Monday lunchtime.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 18-02-23, 09:27PM
Not many get location pay now only a few was stopped in many stores a while back.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 18-02-23, 09:33PM
Usdaw negotiated the £11 p/h for both Sainsbury's & Asda so I fully expect the same.

As for premium...I believe the other two offer & yearly bonus, we get a Sun prem...so swings & roundabouts there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 18-02-23, 09:42PM
Will prob be £11p/h but knowing Tosco it will be in 2 increments
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 19-02-23, 09:44AM
Defo looks like £11 is coming but at the expense of the Sunday premium going.

It shouldn't be a surprise. This was on the cards when they changed it for new starters last summer.  Question is whether they will pay protect those contracted to  a Sunday for  a year or just ditch it in one go.

I would rather they ditched it in one go.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-02-23, 10:21AM
What difference does it make if there is some sort of "pay protection"? Unless of course it directly affects you? In which case, surely you'd want the protection/transition period?
As for whether it is actually legal for Tesco to do it.....

Reducing pay would be a variation of an employees' contract of employment. Employers cannot unilaterally vary a contract of employment. This decision is therefore one the employees in question would need to consent to. They are not obliged to give their consent, and, could take legal action to prevent such a change.

So is our "agreement" with Usdaw the consent that Tesco need?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 19-02-23, 04:47PM
as per all the other contracts, yes... it stipulates that failure to sign means it's lead to believe you don't want to be working for the company anymore lol, so they can go through the process of just removing you... unlike a people vote, we're forced by USDAW our union, meaning they decide what we get with Tesco, so if they've agreed with Tesco that our new contract would be £10.45 and loss of premiums, you'd have to accept it or be given your marching orders for failure to comply to the agreement...

employees for stores have no say, unlike the warehouses where their union can happily go "yeah we will strike we don't like the deal"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: uklions on 19-02-23, 05:01PM
Well we find out TOMORROW 20/2/2023
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 19-02-23, 10:08PM
The anticipation is killing me  ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 12:34AM
Let's wait and see . if the rumours of the kings jubilee being time and a half surely they aren't cutting premiums just yet I'd be flabbergasted if we got premiums still at end of this year
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 10:01AM
Anyone had any news yet?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: tenapenny on 20-02-23, 10:08AM
The meeting is at Stockport no one from the union as turned up as yet
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 10:15AM
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 traffic on the M60 this AM 😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 10:23AM
Is there an official announcement planned for today?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 10:28AM
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 yes apparently
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 20-02-23, 10:55AM
Rep just came off the zoom call, told me it is...

 £11.02 an hour. Premiums staying. April 2023.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 11:09AM
Happy if the 11.02 is true and premium staying but interested to see if there's anything announced for later this year with regards to pay
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: .....1 on 20-02-23, 11:13AM
What about skills payments are they staying. Quite happy If it is £11.02 and skill payments staying for now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 11:15AM
That's what I'm waiting for official announcement it's a decent pay rise atm but  normally it's give with one hand take with other, as we all know.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Masher68 on 20-02-23, 11:16AM
£11.02 Is a payrise of less than 7% when inflation is still over 10%. Its less than generous. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 11:23AM
It's bang on the button of what the "base pay rise" would be - effectively to match the Sainsburys/Morrisons/Asda pay rates of £11_ish....

So given our starting figure was £10.30, 70p increase was always the most likely outcome - it was merely semantics as to the "actual methodolgy" of getting to that figure.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:27AM
Base rate increase to £11.02/hr

Sunday premium fixed at £12.89/hr (not linked to base rate) for eligible colleagues.

New skill payment of £2.26 for shift leaders only.

All other premiums/skills payment unchanged.

Effective 2nd Apr.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 11:30AM
Damn! So a 2p an hour pay rise for me then! I'm only contracted Sundays!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Himynameus on 20-02-23, 11:32AM
Sunday pay is £13.18 an hour at the moment
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Tesc0Wow on 20-02-23, 11:34AM
Sunday premium being reduced from 25-17% that's a bit cheeky
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 11:35AM
£13.18? That's more than time and a quarter ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Himynameus on 20-02-23, 11:38AM
£10.55 and hour  plus £2.63
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 11:39AM
You must have location pay on that. Our base rate is £10.30
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 20-02-23, 11:41AM
So it's a pay cut againg not a pay rise should be st least 10%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 11:43AM
Quote from: Tesc0Wow on 20-02-23, 11:34AMSunday premium being reduced from 25-17% that's a bit cheeky
to be honest I wouldn't have been supprised if it went with this pay rise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 11:44AM
Any news on location pay? At our store, our 45p becomes 56.25p when added to Sunday pay.
Will that remain as is ? As it is, the 45p has been "fixed" for as long as I can remember - at least 7+ years - I know they did do a revamp of location pay bands about 7-10 years ago - but as I've mentioned many times, despite the much vaunted 30%+ increase in the basic rate of pay, location pay rates have remained frozen - rather like some premiums/skill payments.

Not that I'm moaning too much because I know lots of colleagues don't get any location pay - and I do feel that location pay will be phased out (apart from inner London).
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 20-02-23, 11:45AM
Sunday pay is currently £12.875ph
£10.30 + 25%(£2.575).

New rate would be £11.02 + 25%(£2.755) = £13.775.

So basically they're keeping the overall Sunday pay as it is now, and I suspect it will stay at that until the hourly rate catches up and it's gone completely.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 11:45AM
Disgrace if this is true.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cbatt566 on 20-02-23, 11:47AM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 20-02-23, 11:45AMSunday pay is currently £12.875ph
£10.30 + 25%(£2.575).

New rate would be £11.02 + 25%(£2.755) = £13.775.

So basically they're keeping the overall Sunday pay as it is now, and I suspect it will stay at that until the hourly rate catches up and it's gone completely.

I just read it was capped/fixed at £12.89, No?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Metal Mario on 20-02-23, 11:55AM
I must say I feel a little let down by the new deal. I had £11.05 in my head as an acceptable award as that would have been the same percentage increase as Sainsbury's, but this coupled with the effective erosion of our Sunday premium makes me wonder what the point of my union subs is. It's not like the company isn't turning a profit, I just feel like USDAW rolled over and took whatever scraps were offered.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:56AM
Sunday hourly pay will become £12.89 per hour fixed from 2 Apr.

No longer calculated as a percentage from the base rate.

As someone said this is basically 1.17x rate of the new 11.02 base...

However I expect this will never increase and will be phased out eventually.

Union says Tesco went in with a £10.70 offer and zero Sunday premium, and to keep any has been a challenge.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 11:57AM
Seems to be different briefs coming down.

"Sunday premiums will be changing from 25% to 17% for colleagues who receive these & joined Tesco before 24 July 2022. If a colleague is only contacted to work a Sunday, they will receive a lump sum payment in their 28 April pay that is the equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly pay over 52 weeks"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: .....1 on 20-02-23, 12:02PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:56AMSunday hourly pay will become £12.89 per hour fixed from 2 Apr.

No longer calculated as a percentage from the base rate.

As someone said this is basically 1.17x rate of the new 11.02 base...

However I expect this will never increase and will be phased out eventually.

Union says Tesco went in with a £10.70 offer and zero Sunday premium, and to keep any has been a challenge.
How long is this pay award for?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Brownieboy on 20-02-23, 12:03PM
I assume the Bank holiday rate will be same as Sundays?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: tescopleb on 20-02-23, 12:04PM
Everything is a challenge for Usdaw especially when it comes to Tosco and it's store staff. The Partnership has to be revoked, it's no longer fit for our purposes. As has been said they take our money and give nothing in return
When was the last time they spoke to us directly and asked what WE actually want/need.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 12:07PM
Quote from: .....1 on 20-02-23, 12:02PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:56AMSunday hourly pay will become £12.89 per hour fixed from 2 Apr.

No longer calculated as a percentage from the base rate.

As someone said this is basically 1.17x rate of the new 11.02 base...

However I expect this will never increase and will be phased out eventually.

Union says Tesco went in with a £10.70 offer and zero Sunday premium, and to keep any has been a challenge.
How long is this pay award for?
Exactly what I'm waiting for official announcement because there's normally an Oct Nov rise.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:12PM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 11:57AMSeems to be different briefs coming down.

"Sunday premiums will be changing from 25% to 17% for colleagues who receive these & joined Tesco before 24 July 2022. If a colleague is only contacted to work a Sunday, they will receive a lump sum payment in their 28 April pay that is the equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly pay over 52 weeks"

One is Tesco's spin, the other is USDAW.

They both give the same amount.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:13PM
Quote from: tescopleb on 20-02-23, 12:04PMEverything is a challenge for Usdaw especially when it comes to Tosco and it's store staff. The Partnership has to be revoked, it's no longer fit for our purposes. As has been said they take our money and give nothing in return
When was the last time they spoke to us directly and asked what WE actually want/need.

Not defending or slating - but from a neutral point of view, don't views from "store forums" make their way to unions?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:16PM
Usdaw were in their best bartering position ever...& still manage to fail us 😂😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:16PM
Quote from: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:13PM
Quote from: tescopleb on 20-02-23, 12:04PMEverything is a challenge for Usdaw especially when it comes to Tosco and it's store staff. The Partnership has to be revoked, it's no longer fit for our purposes. As has been said they take our money and give nothing in return
When was the last time they spoke to us directly and asked what WE actually want/need.

Not defending or slating - but from a neutral point of view, don't views from "store forums" make their way to unions?

This is exactly right. Store forums feed into the national forum, who's reps sit and do the bargaining against tesco on behalf of members.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: .....1 on 20-02-23, 12:17PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 12:07PM
Quote from: .....1 on 20-02-23, 12:02PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:56AMSunday hourly pay will become £12.89 per hour fixed from 2 Apr.

No longer calculated as a percentage from the base rate.

As someone said this is basically 1.17x rate of the new 11.02 base...

However I expect this will never increase and will be phased out eventually.

Union says Tesco went in with a £10.70 offer and zero Sunday premium, and to keep any has been a challenge.
How long is this pay award for?

Exactly what I'm waiting for official announcement because there's normally an Oct Nov rise.
Hopefully the full details will be released soon. Hopefully we will get a pay rise later in the year to as Asda is increasing again to £11.11 in July and I'm sure the discounters will increase soon. Won't be long and we be lowest paid again.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:20PM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:16PMSame amount for now, yes, but the Usdaw brief suggests that the 17% would be ongoing on base rate. (or at least doesn't say it isn't).

Those on the usdaw briefing heard "fixed rate" and "equivalent to 1.17x" directly from a national forum rep.

If it is still linked to base, I'd say this is a strong indicator it will be further reduced or continue to be fixed at current rate for future pay rises, until it is worthless and scrapped completely.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:24PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:12PM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 11:57AMSeems to be different briefs coming down.

"Sunday premiums will be changing from 25% to 17% for colleagues who receive these & joined Tesco before 24 July 2022. If a colleague is only contacted to work a Sunday, they will receive a lump sum payment in their 28 April pay that is the equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly pay over 52 weeks"

One is Tesco's spin, the other is USDAW.

They both give the same amount.

Same amount for now, yes, but the Usdaw brief suggests that the 17% would be ongoing on base rate. (or at least doesn't say it isn't).
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:24PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 20-02-23, 11:45AMSunday pay is currently £12.875ph
£10.30 + 25%(£2.575).

New rate would be £11.02 + 25%(£2.755) = £13.775.

So basically they're keeping the overall Sunday pay as it is now, and I suspect it will stay at that until the hourly rate catches up and it's gone completely.

Without having seen anything official, this is exactly how I would understand it would work.

So moving forward, if next year, we went to a basic of £11.60, then Tesco have the option of leaving Sunday pay at £12.875, or maybe increasing to whatever amount they want - but potentially not by the same 58p that basic pay would increase?! - but as per Nightworker's views, highly likely to be frozen until base pay catches up with it -

It is disappointing - but unfortunately, we all knew it was coming.

Effectively, we've gone from double pay (which was before my time but only just - so for many years, I got 1.5x whilst colleagues working next to me were getting double time) to 1.5x and then to 1.25x and now "effectively" 1.17 (or 1/6th extra premium) - and next year, likely to be about 1/10th...

Will be interesting to see how many "current" staff decide to drop Sunday contracted hours or not sign up to overtime given this "minor" reduction.

Ultimately, it's "do you want to work for £12.875 per hour?" - rather than "well, if we were more genuine it would be £13.77" - so basically, we're talking about 90p an hour difference - so in terms of a 6 hour shift - £5.40 - and after tax/NI/pension, probably less than £4 a shift - barely enough for a meal deal!

I'm not suggesting that it's right, I'm merely pointing out that it's not "a huge chasm" -

still disappointing that Tesco have merely become one of the £11 crowd - rather than showing themselves as market leaders and offering something more like £11.25+ just as a "statement" - I'm dying to read the official announcement of this "record breaking investment" in pay/our staff and how much we value them and we're helping them out in this cost of living crisis where their grocery bills are increasing by 16% a year, and utility bills are going up by another 20% from April (in addition to the doubling over the last 12-15 months) - oh year, we're giving our staff 7% (and some staff will get less if they regular work Sundays) - thanks. There's always a positive spin.
Of course, on top of all the above is the missing "proviso" of "we're only giving them 7% because we need to be legal and stay above the legal NLW!!"
I know - strictly speaking they could give us 2% and "stay legal" -

Anyway - overall, it's a "deal" that is very much as "we should have expected".
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:27PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:20PM
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:16PMSame amount for now, yes, but the Usdaw brief suggests that the 17% would be ongoing on base rate. (or at least doesn't say it isn't).

Those on the usdaw briefing heard "fixed rate" and "equivalent to 1.17x" directly from a national forum rep.

If it is still linked to base, I'd say this is a strong indicator it will be further reduced or continue to be fixed at current rate for future pay rises, until it is worthless and scrapped completely.

 :thumbup:  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-02-23, 12:32PM
Certainly looks like the sunday premium will diminish with each subsequent increase in base rate until the £12.89 mark is reached, at which point sunday premium will cease to exist...but we shall see. It's inevitable that it will go at some point.

Do we have any news on night premium? Is that remaining the same?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:33PM
https://www.tescoplc.com/sustainability/colleagues/reward/


On the above website, Tesco's take on the Jan2023 negotiations stated the following:

We will continue to work flexibly when it comes to investing in reward for colleagues. For example, we made three additional 'thank you' payments over a two-year period to colleagues during the COVID-19 pandemic, and we consider what's beneficial to colleagues at different moments in time –agreeing a one-year rather than two-year pay deal for hourly-paid colleagues in 2022, allowing us to review again in 2023 given the current increases to the cost of living. We have recently agreed with the unions that these negotiations will begin in January 2023, ahead of our usual timescales, and that they will include a review of location pay.

So be interesting to hear those details - as we've all come to realise with Tesco, the word review normally means "reduction/worsening"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 20-02-23, 12:33PM
Pre-tax it works out to an extra £65 for me. Disappointed, especially the Sunday premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:35PM
Shift leader gets an additional 40p on top of team support and a new "S" grade of pay.
All other premiums aside from Sunday remain unchanged
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 20-02-23, 12:32PMCertainly looks like the sunday premium will diminish with each subsequent increase in base rate until the £12.89 mark is reached, at which point sunday premium will cease to exist...but we shall see. It's inevitable that it will go at some point.

Do we have any news on night premium? Is that remaining the same?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 20-02-23, 12:36PM
You have to laugh when, every time these pay reviews come around, that the biggest plus to come out of them is not what we've gained, but what we haven't lost 😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 20-02-23, 12:37PM
No mention on our Tesco of poss pay rise / negotiation for later this year prob shortest pay statement off Tesco I've seen
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 12:38PM
2023 SETTLEMENT
The settlement is the outcome of Negotiations between USDAW and Tesco that took place from
30th January until 1st February and includes both Union and Company items. It covers a 1-year
period from 2nd April 2023. The settlement applies to hourly paid Colleagues in Stores, CFCs and
UFCs.
Negotiated Items:
1. Core award
From 2nd April 2023 the established hourly rate will increase by 7% from £10.30 to £11.02.
2. Skills Payments
• Shift Leaders
Skills Payment investment of +40p (21.5%) for Shift Leaders taking their skill payment to £2.26.
from 2nd April.
A new Pay Grade will be created for colleagues with all variations of 'Shift Leader' in their job
title.
• Pharmacy Technicians
The 90p per hour market supplement paid to all Grade F Pharmacy Accuracy Checking
Technicians will be consolidated into their Skills payment increasing it from £1.52 to £2.42.
3. Sunday Premiums
For those colleagues who are eligible for Sunday premium, the overall hourly rate for working
Sundays will be protected in line with its current value. This will mean that, for those eligible,
from 2 April basic pay plus Sunday premium will be paid at £12.89 per hour for contracted and
overtime Sunday hours (currently £12.88 per hour). This will mean that the multiplier for Sunday
premium will move from 25% to 17%. Other pay elements currently eligible for Sunday Premium
will also receive the new 17% Sunday premium rate.
4. London Location Allowance
Two new London Allowance rates:
1. Inner London Allowance: 93p, increasing the hourly rate to £11.95 for stores within
London Boroughs.
2. Outer London Allowance: 73p, increasing the hourly rate to £11.75 for stores inside the
M25, excluding London Boroughs.
The new London Allowance rates replace Band C (68p) and Band B (45p) for these areas.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:51PM
so does the old location pay band B rate of 45p for "South East Stores" (not inside the M25) still exist?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 12:57PM
Are "Team Support" on checkouts now called Shift Leaders? I've read so much about Shift Leaders on this forum - but never really knew how it impacted where I work - as all I've ever known are "dept managers" and the only dept to have anything other is checkouts where the "supervisors" are called "Team Support" - so basically, are they getting 72p plus an extra 40p - so £1.12 per hour pay rise?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: .....1 on 20-02-23, 01:07PM
No large stores have team support on the front end and then the shift leaders look after the whole store and carry duty phone. Or so they are meant to.
Currently the both get the same skill rate but from April 2nd the shift leader will be on 40p more per hour.. personally in my store they are not worth the extra.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-02-23, 01:11PM
I presume the extra 40p is to soften the blow of the extra duties expected of them once the new management structure has been implemented
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: .....1 on 20-02-23, 01:15PM
Yes more than likely but in my opinion the 40p extra is still not enough to attract experienced colleagues to the role. in the 2 stores I've worked at I've only come across 1 capable shift leader the rest have only been with the company 1-2 years at most and lack in the experience needed to lead the store day to day
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: tescopleb on 20-02-23, 01:16PM
Having read the brief in full I think Usdaw really have to get a grip. They have sold what's left of our Sunday premiums away and will escape censure with the usual weasel words. Shafted yet again. We really should be blaming the Forum and by extension ourselves but if thats the case why are they even involved when it's  obvious we can shaft ourselves just as well without them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: eversor on 20-02-23, 01:17PM
On ourtesco now
https://www.ourtesco.com/colleague/news/views/new-pay-award-for-hourly-paid-colleagues-in-stores-and-fulfilment-centres
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 01:27PM
Anyone know where the FAQ are on OurTesco? They are referred to in the comments on there - but the link in Jason's write up does not link directly to anything to do with the payrise. I know in the past they can take a while to update them on there - but as someone in the comments on there seemed to mention them I assume they exist somewhere.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 01:40PM
Quote from: barafear on 20-02-23, 01:27PMAnyone know where the FAQ are on OurTesco? They are referred to in the comments on there - but the link in Jason's write up does not link directly to anything to do with the payrise. I know in the past they can take a while to update them on there - but as someone in the comments on there seemed to mention them I assume they exist somewhere.

I found them!!! As usual - a little bit buried!
So from the FAQ, it would appear the following changes for staff at our store:

45p location pay seems to be going and we won't qualify for any location pay under the new bands as we are not located within the M25 -

therefore, Mon-Sat pay will go from £10.75 per hour to £11.02 an hour = approx 2.6% increase.

Sunday pay from £13.44 an hour (£10.75x1.25) to £12.89 an hour = 55p reduction or about 4%!

So weekend only workers - let's say contracted to 6 hours on Saturday and 6.5 hours on Sunday will probably be worse off!!

But not due to minimal amount of compensation payment - as they are not "only" contracted to Sunday!!

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-02-23, 01:50PM
Quote from: .....1 on 20-02-23, 01:15PMYes more than likely but in my opinion the 40p extra is still not enough to attract experienced colleagues to the role. in the 2 stores I've worked at I've only come across 1 capable shift leader the rest have only been with the company 1-2 years at most and lack in the experience needed to lead the store day to day
Absolutely, 40p on top of their existing skill payment is nowhere near enough to be running stores in my opinion. None of the experienced staff in my store are interested, only new staff with little experience are going for the roles.
We have 3 night shift leader vacancies in our store but the only ones being put forward for the roles are the manager's mates so in this case experience or a willingness to do the job makes no difference as you wouldn't get a sniff at it anyway.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 20-02-23, 01:57PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 11:56AMSunday hourly pay will become £12.89 per hour fixed from 2 Apr.

No longer calculated as a percentage from the base rate.





I've said that today, every pay review it will be reeuced.

As someone said this is basically 1.17x rate of the new 11.02 base...

However I expect this will never increase and will be phased out eventually.

Union says Tesco went in with a £10.70 offer and zero Sunday premium, and to keep any has been a challenge.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 20-02-23, 02:00PM
Also I can't see anything about Bank Holiday premiums, unless I've missed it. are these still at 1.25
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 20-02-23, 02:05PM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 20-02-23, 02:00PMAlso I can't see anything about Bank Holiday premiums, unless I've missed it. are these still at 1.25
Yes.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: breeksy on 20-02-23, 02:09PM
*Colleagues who are contracted to only work on a Sunday will receive a one-off lump sum payment for the change. Equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks*

What does 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks mean?

I know I'm probably being dim, but it isn't clear to me. Is it contacted hours only, or total hours worked on Sundays?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Trv20 on 20-02-23, 02:12PM
So the location allowance outside London must be staying as it isn't mentioned...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 02:46PM
I would say that location pay outside the M25 will be going - because at present it is 45p for our store and the terms of the new deal specifically state that the new location bands (D&E) are replacing the old ones - therefore, not "in addition" to them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Grassman on 20-02-23, 02:49PM
As someone who is contracted for Sundays can I just say USDAW you are a disgrace of a union.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 20-02-23, 02:52PM
So seems we getting £11.02 and our fears on Sunday pay is true.


QuoteFor those colleagues who are eligible for Sunday premium, the overall hourly rate for working Sundays will be protected in line with its current value. This will mean that, for those eligible, from 2 April basic pay plus Sunday premium will be paid at £12.89 per hour for contracted and overtime Sunday hours (currently £12.88 per hour). This will mean that the multiplier for Sunday premium will move from 25% to 17%. Other pay elements currently eligible for Sunday Premium will also receive the new 17% Sunday premium rate.

😂 Protected "in line" no its not its A PAY CUT when you count inflation.

No incentive at all to do Sunday overtime anymore. Already on my own over two departments in a superstore! (three actually sometimes)

Everyone is quitting Sundays and I'll be refusing overtime soon as I don't get paid enough to do 2-3 departments by myself on the BUSIEST DAY of the week while all my friends go out and have fun.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 20-02-23, 02:54PM
Quote from: breeksy on 20-02-23, 02:09PM*Colleagues who are contracted to only work on a Sunday will receive a one-off lump sum payment for the change. Equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks*

What does 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks mean?

I know I'm probably being dim, but it isn't clear to me. Is it contacted hours only, or total hours worked on Sundays?

Contracted only


So I won't get a penny. Been doing Sunday overtime for over 15 months due to staff shortage.

It's never been put in my contract.

So no incentive for me to ever do Sundays anymore as 1p hour payrise for Sunday = what's the point when I'm on my own and already don't feel its enough pay as it is now.

Usdaw need disbanding and someone decent take over.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 20-02-23, 03:24PM
ANOTHER DECREASE of Sunday premium
ANOTHER FREEZE of night premium

This propaganda of so called praiseworthy pay increases over the last year omits those who work unsociable hours and/or Sunday hours who have CONSISTENTLY received less of an overall increase in comparison to those who do not. So much so the gap between the two are shrinking rapidly in monetary terms over the last few years.

Misleading. Insulting. Disgraceful.

They really do treat us all like absolute mugs.

Maybe I'm discounting the possibility of free bananas and mug soups provided for starving colleagues are included in the pay deal.


Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 03:40PM
Quote from: barafear on 20-02-23, 02:46PMI would say that location pay outside the M25 will be going - because at present it is 45p for our store and the terms of the new deal specifically state that the new location bands (D&E) are replacing the old ones - therefore, not "in addition" to them.

Location Pay outside London Allowance
Colleagues working in Outer London (inside the M25 but excluding London Boroughs) will see the
introduction of a new Outer London Allowance of 73p per hour taking their basic pay plus location
pay to £11.75.
The two new London Allowance rates replace Band C (68p) and Band B (45p) for these areas.
Stores with existing Location Pay who do not fall as part of the new London Allowance bands will
retain their existing Location pay status and will operate in-line with Tesco's Location Pay Policy.
This investment sees wages in London matching the Real Living Wage for the first time.
Importantly, this investment has not come at the detriment of the overall investment in base pay
for all Tesco employees and is a significant step forward to meeting the Union's calls for a New
Deal for Workers.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 20-02-23, 03:42PM
Why does it feel like the company is borrowing a pound off me to  pay for my pay rise,sunday premiums w@nk,what do tesco depots get for sunday?starting to feel discriminated against
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 20-02-23, 04:10PM
7 percent increase in base pay, so basically a cut when one considers the current inflation rate, USDAW really have surpassed themselves this time and that takes some doing considering some of the things they have endorsed from Tesco in the past.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 04:16PM
Quote from: andzdrew on 20-02-23, 03:40PM
Quote from: barafear on 20-02-23, 02:46PMI would say that location pay outside the M25 will be going - because at present it is 45p for our store and the terms of the new deal specifically state that the new location bands (D&E) are replacing the old ones - therefore, not "in addition" to them.

Location Pay outside London Allowance
Colleagues working in Outer London (inside the M25 but excluding London Boroughs) will see the
introduction of a new Outer London Allowance of 73p per hour taking their basic pay plus location
pay to £11.75.
The two new London Allowance rates replace Band C (68p) and Band B (45p) for these areas.
Stores with existing Location Pay who do not fall as part of the new London Allowance bands will
retain their existing Location pay status and will operate in-line with Tesco's Location Pay Policy.
This investment sees wages in London matching the Real Living Wage for the first time.
Importantly, this investment has not come at the detriment of the overall investment in base pay
for all Tesco employees and is a significant step forward to meeting the Union's calls for a New
Deal for Workers.


Thanks - I didn't see the bit about the "non London stores" retaining their current location pay - well I guess that is a small positive.
Thanks for explaining/detailing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 04:32PM
Apologies - are you able to tell me where you found the bit about "stores with existing location pay" - I double checked on OurTesco and couldn't see it in either the "announcement" or the "FAQs" - thanks
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 04:34PM
The shopworkers' union USDAW welcomed today's announcement of another round of pay rises.

Daniel Adams, USDAW National Officer said: "This deal, which follows earlier agreements with the Union on additional investment outside of the normal annual negotiations and bringing of the 2023 pay negotiations forward, represents a significant step forward for pay within Tesco retail.

"It represents a third increase in pay in 10 months and ensures that the business continues to respond positively to the significant pressures our members face."
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyshopper on 20-02-23, 04:40PM
So what happens with Express shift leaders if they work Sundays what premium will we get? As most of us don't have set shifts. Most shops have us contacted Monday - Friday but have us work weekends ect ? By changing it on scheduler.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Tossgo on 20-02-23, 04:45PM
You will get a premium of 17% extra per each hour you work on the "base" rate of pay.
whether or not it's contracted or an overtime shift doesn't matter
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 20-02-23, 04:49PM
A full time shift leader working a decent amount of Sundays and bank holidays would now be on more than the starting salary of a Team Manager.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 20-02-23, 05:24PM
Anyone know if there will still be another review later in the year?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-23, 06:06PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 20-02-23, 04:49PMA full time shift leader working a decent amount of Sundays and bank holidays would now be on more than the starting salary of a Team Manager.

Except there is a note on OurTesco stating that they will be looking at the "salaried" colleagues.

"We recognise that cost of living challenges are impacting us all, so we are carefully considering what our Pay Review budget will be for our salaried colleagues this year. You will hear more about what this means for you in your Pay Review meeting with your line manager in May."

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: breeksy on 20-02-23, 06:07PM
Quote from: person7 on 20-02-23, 02:54PM
Quote from: breeksy on 20-02-23, 02:09PM*Colleagues who are contracted to only work on a Sunday will receive a one-off lump sum payment for the change. Equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks*

What does 3% of their previous hourly rate over 52 weeks mean?

I know I'm probably being dim, but it isn't clear to me. Is it contacted hours only, or total hours worked on Sundays?

Contracted only


So I won't get a penny. Been doing Sunday overtime for over 15 months due to staff shortage.

It's never been put in my contract.

So no incentive for me to ever do Sundays anymore as 1p hour payrise for Sunday = what's the point when I'm on my own and already don't feel its enough pay as it is now.

Usdaw need disbanding and someone decent take over.

To be fair, most people won't get a penny - it's people that are contracted for just Sunday. At least, that's how it reads to me. But yeah, the lack of a payrise for anyone working Sunday is really poor.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 20-02-23, 06:25PM
Quote from: fatlad on 20-02-23, 05:24PMAnyone know if there will still be another review later in the year?

I doubt it. Or if so it will be for the year. Only becuase I've heard this is a 12 month pay agreement.

Then again with cost of living crisis they may have 1 or even 2 like they did this past year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: markwinters on 20-02-23, 06:33PM
Managers pay will be looked at in may- When they will have demoted 1500 by then
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Davethebave on 20-02-23, 07:04PM
It means they will have a few £ left laying around once they make them all redundant. Might be able to give manager a generous 1% -.-
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 20-02-23, 07:10PM
One problem I have (which I suspect majority of us will) is the pay rise works out as 7% (while inflation is over 10% average, its actually higher for many of us)

But...This is BEFORE all the bill rises that always come in April.

So it's 7% pay rise on the 10% inflation BEFORE April bills shoot up.. plus all the bills that companies do at inflation plus extra % (my rent is due to go up "with inflation plus 5%" and my Internet if I didn't get fixed deal would be "inflation plus 1.6%) everything just going to be survival only. (I'm already close to it as it is)

So.. I'm rubbish at maths but even I can see its a big pay cut in the end.

Company seem to be allowed to charge more then inflation every year but we never get a pay rise to match anything. And yet "people" wonder why so many are in poverty and why people are dying either starving or freezing to death!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 20-02-23, 07:28PM
Inflation is forecasted to halve by the end of the year, the pay raise is actually decent and while Sunday premium has been degraded, the fact they haven't scrapped it is more than what other retailers are doing, I'm also happy to see Tesco pay attention to the pay differential between CAs and SLs by adjusting the skills payment, it was long overdue and needed to be done.

Usually I criticize Tescos pay review tactics, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised by this one all things considered.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 20-02-23, 07:35PM
I agree, it's quite a decent offer in my opinion too, just didn't want to be the first to admit it  ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rubydubydoo on 20-02-23, 11:32PM
Will you get 17% on skill payment on a Sunday?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 21-02-23, 05:27AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 20-02-23, 07:28PMInflation is forecasted to halve by the end of the year, the pay raise is actually decent and while Sunday premium has been degraded, the fact they haven't scrapped it is more than what other retailers are doing, I'm also happy to see Tesco pay attention to the pay differential between CAs and SLs by adjusting the skills payment, it was long overdue and needed to be done.

Usually I criticize Tescos pay review tactics, but I'm actually pleasantly surprised by this one all things considered.
:thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 21-02-23, 08:11AM
and like me I do two overtime shifts for every 4 weeks,so I'll be on more than some Team Managers

Quote from: NightAndDay on 20-02-23, 04:49PMA full time shift leader working a decent amount of Sundays and bank holidays would now be on more than the starting salary of a Team Manager.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CaramelBunny on 21-02-23, 08:15AM
Quick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 21-02-23, 08:32AM
^ is that person on the same pay as team support or actually is getting the full shift leader pay? because if its the latter then yeah that does sound a little bit dodgy. I would certainly not be happy that someone on the same level pay as me was doing  an 80% less work load.   

One for the protector line.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BobsBananas on 21-02-23, 08:39AM
Quote from: .....1 on 20-02-23, 01:15PMYes more than likely but in my opinion the 40p extra is still not enough to attract experienced colleagues to the role. in the 2 stores I've worked at I've only come across 1 capable shift leader the rest have only been with the company 1-2 years at most and lack in the experience needed to lead the store day to day
Same in my store. The only people that wanted the team lead positions were those who hadn't been there long enough to know how much they'll get screwed over in the long run.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-02-23, 08:58AM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

It will depend on the structure established, It could be that there is meant to be a position like that in the structure, F&F is the domain of Extra stores only and some very large superstores, in many Superstores, there's maybe half an aisle for clothes and not every superstore would sell that. F&F departments therefore aren't that common and could be in need if reviewing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 21-02-23, 10:25AM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

As said every structure will be different but if there is a shift leader in one part of the store being paid exactly the same as the other shift leaders despite not having to duty etc then yeah that probably needs to be flagged up.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 21-02-23, 11:10AM
This will be one of the problems facing the shift leaders going forward in my opinion especially those at dotcom because they will all be getting paid the same amount as the new shift leaders but only two of those new shift leaders will be doing the actual running of day to day activities.

So you are going to get the duty shift leaders doing far more work than the other shift leaders but all being paid the same.

An oversight they seem to have overlooked. F&F shift leaders is a strange one. If they are confined to clothing only and exempt from the tasks all other shift leaders will be doing why are they being paid almost £14 an hour? that will need to be reviewed. You can almost smell the s*** storm brewing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 21-02-23, 11:26AM
Quote from: person7 on 20-02-23, 07:10PMOne problem I have (which I suspect majority of us will) is the pay rise works out as 7% (while inflation is over 10% average, its actually higher for many of us)

But...This is BEFORE all the bill rises that always come in April.

So it's 7% pay rise on the 10% inflation BEFORE April bills shoot up.. plus all the bills that companies do at inflation plus extra % (my rent is due to go up "with inflation plus 5%" and my Internet if I didn't get fixed deal would be "inflation plus 1.6%) everything just going to be survival only. (I'm already close to it as it is)

So.. I'm rubbish at maths but even I can see its a big pay cut in the end.

Company seem to be allowed to charge more then inflation every year but we never get a pay rise to match anything. And yet "people" wonder why so many are in poverty and why people are dying either starving or freezing to death!

I composed a lengthy response to this last night - but it doesn't seem to have posted.
But in relation to this - and also more recent posts where certain posters have stated they are "pleased" with the pay deal - all I would say is that of course a forum is all about opinions - and although there can be certain "statistics" to support an argument, equally, statistics can be taken in different ways.

So - starting with the quoted post - of course, any payrise below inflation will be a "real terms pay cut" - but then most people in the UK suffer this on an annual basis - so we can't really complain too much about Tesco giving us a "real terms" pay cut.

In terms of our actual deal - of course, if you do any Sundays or indeed are contracted to any Sunday hours, then the overall % your weekly pay will increase will be less than the "headline" 7% - if for example you did 8 hours during the week and 8 hours on a Sunday, then you're average pay increase will be 3.5%.

There have been various discussions about inflation - and the fact that it's forecast to halve later in the year, therefore, the fact we're getting 7% now is good news. I don't want to get into semantics - but ultimately unless inflation turns negative (Which it won't) then prices in November will still be higher than they are now - whereas, unless we get a surprise additional pay rise, our pay will not be higher (compared to what we're getting from April).

The headline rate of inflation covers a multitude of items in a "basket" - everyone's individual inflation figures are different and it's been said that the "lowest paid" tend to be facing the largest inflationary pressures - Grocery inflation is 16% year on year, utility bills have already doubled in the last 15 months, and likely to go up another 20% in April before stabilising later in the year - petrol/diesel prices have shot up but have come down a bit in the last six months or so - but are still much higher than maybe 15-18 months ago.

Of course, Tesco will (and have) pointed to the fact that this is our third pay increase in 10 months - last year pay increased by 8.8% and this is now a further 7% increase.
However, the NLW is increasing by 9.7% (year on year) from April - having previously increased by 6.5% in April 2022.
So in pure % terms, Tesco is not really doing anything above and beyond.
These pay rises are for the "very lowest paid" (Grade B/C) and the majority of the skills payments have remained fixed ever since they were introduced a few years back - and even the extra 40p they've added to shift leader pay is ridiculed on here as still not being nearly enough.
Of course, at the moment, the gap between SL wages and Team Manager salaries appears to be very close - but their pay review is in May - so let's see what happens - of course, Tesco do have a lot of discretion over what they can do with salaried staff - so let's see how "generous" they are.

I can understand people's views that overall the pay review could have been worse - of course we all felt that Sunday premiums might be axed completely - but that's a worrying trend that we all set our expectations so low that we are then "happy" with our lot.

Again though, I do agree, there isn't really a whole lot that we can do!! Ultimately, we are unskilled and easily replaceable. Albeit, at the moment, I believe all supermarkets are looking to reduce their workforce rather than "replace" anyone - and of course, the NLW is driving that even more - with changing ways of shopping (self scan/dotcom/self serve tills) there is less reliance on needing staff - of course. we need dotcom pickers - but in theory their productivity rates should be akin to Amazon warehouse workers - compared to, for example, checkout staff who might sit there for 7 hours and often have periods where they are chatting to customers or other staff - I know that idle periods can/should be managed - but there will always be idle periods regardless -

It's a difficult situation we are in - and along with the quoted post, I do agree it is difficult to "feed your family" when our pay increases "by less than inflation" - and depending on where you actually work - it might be difficult to top up your pay with additional hours.

This forum is a great community - let's keep going.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 21-02-23, 11:32AM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 21-02-23, 11:10AMThis will be one of the problems facing the shift leaders going forward in my opinion especially those at dotcom because they will all be getting paid the same amount as the new shift leaders but only two of those new shift leaders will be doing the actual running of day to day activities.

So you are going to get the duty shift leaders doing far more work than the other shift leaders but all being paid the same.

An oversight they seem to have overlooked. F&F shift leaders is a strange one. If they are confined to clothing only and exempt from the tasks all other shift leaders will be doing why are they being paid almost £14 an hour? that will need to be reviewed. You can almost smell the s*** storm brewing.

To be fair this is the first I've heard of F&F shift leaders being paid this much. They should be getting the same amount as Team Support. I can't talk for the store mentioned above but if they are being paid a management wage then it sounds more like an admin error. Which I'm surprised hasn't been flagged yet. Our F&F shift leader is payed via off till activity.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 21-02-23, 01:01PM
Quote from: person7 on 20-02-23, 07:10PMOne problem I have (which I suspect majority of us will) is the pay rise works out as 7% (while inflation is over 10% average, its actually higher for many of us)

But...This is BEFORE all the bill rises that always come in April.

So it's 7% pay rise on the 10% inflation BEFORE April bills shoot up.. plus all the bills that companies do at inflation plus extra % (my rent is due to go up "with inflation plus 5%" and my Internet if I didn't get fixed deal would be "inflation plus 1.6%) everything just going to be survival only. (I'm already close to it as it is)

So.. I'm rubbish at maths but even I can see its a big pay cut in the end.

Company seem to be allowed to charge more then inflation every year but we never get a pay rise to match anything. And yet "people" wonder why so many are in poverty and why people are dying either starving or freezing to death!

The other way of looking at it is this, inflation is over 10% compared to this time last year, yet colleagues pay will have increased by over 15% in the same period!

In all the years I've worked for Tesco, I've never seen 3 pay rises in less than 12 months or a 15% increase in the same period either!

Has Tesco's hand been forced, yes, could they have done more, yes, however they could have also done less too!

Most colleagues in my store are very happy with £11.02 per hour, the only few that have complained are the few that used to get double time and Saturday premiums!
That tells you all you need to know about the length of service make up at Tesco and those colleagues on the pay review forum!

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: tescopleb on 21-02-23, 01:50PM
And the comment about the Pay Forum is precisely why it needs to go. A team of professional or even proper union negotiators would be out to drive a deal that benefits everyone - not one where anyone or as in this case everyone loses going forward.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 21-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

This sounds a bit dodgy. F&F shift leaders are on the same pay grade as Team Support. F&F Shift Leaders in any store should not be on the same pay grade as a Dot Com Shift Leader (the two roles are very different) and certainly not on the same pay grade as the up coming Shift Leader duty role.

Are you 100% certain this is the case in your store? because if so someone has f***ed up when that person was added onto the pay system. A question then however is why hasn't the team manager, lead manager or store manager noticed a random F&F shift leader is receiving a management wage unless they are on a step up but if they are on a step up they would be doing Duty training. 

Defo flag it up. It could be fraud.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 21-02-23, 02:32PM
The F&F 'Shift Leader' title should really be ''F&F Team Support''

That is why there is so much confusion over it.  The role is only there to do return to works  and add holidays onto the system. The F&F shift leader is not allowed to do lets talks, unlike dotcom shift leaders and front end team support who can.

Its a bit of a pointless role to be honest so they certainly should not be getting paid the top end of the shift leader wage! 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 21-02-23, 02:52PM
If you read what the F&F shift leader role is its so limited that it makes you wonder why Tesco even have it in place.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 21-02-23, 02:55PM
Quote from: Mikoo on 21-02-23, 02:20PM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

This sounds a bit dodgy. F&F shift leaders are on the same pay grade as Team Support. F&F Shift Leaders in any store should not be on the same pay grade as a Dot Com Shift Leader (the two roles are very different) and certainly not on the same pay grade as the up coming Shift Leader duty role.

Are you 100% certain this is the case in your store? because if so someone has f***ed up when that person was added onto the pay system. A question then however is why hasn't the team manager, lead manager or store manager noticed a random F&F shift leader is receiving a management wage unless they are on a step up but if they are on a step up they would be doing Duty training. 

Defo flag it up. It could be fraud.

I'm of the same opinion and I used to work in wages. The only way an F&F shift leader was being paid the same as dotcom shift leader would be if they were on a step up.

Dotcom shift leaders are actually supposed to be duty trained. That is in their contract. Not all stores follow it however but they probably will need to come May.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 21-02-23, 03:10PM
Actually in the new role dotcom s/l are not supposed to do duty, they are there only for the dotcom operation however they can be trained in duty if they choose to pick up overtime that way, same goes for a f&f s/l
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CaramelBunny on 21-02-23, 04:32PM
Thank you everyone for answering.

Basically the F&F Shift leader was yesterday boasting about the big pay increase they would be getting despite doing none of the real shift leader stuff that the genuine shift leaders do. That is what raised eyebrows. Now it appears they shouldn't even be getting paid the same......  ??? not sure how this has happened but I will make people aware   
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 21-02-23, 04:56PM
What does the role pack say in regards to what is expected of a shift leader?

My superstore has 4 shift leaders who appear to be quite expensive fillers. I know they are also key holders and open and close the store. £13.28 x 36.5hrs appears to be very generous.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 21-02-23, 05:09PM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 04:32PMThank you everyone for answering.

Basically the F&F Shift leader was yesterday boasting about the big pay increase they would be getting despite doing none of the real shift leader stuff that the genuine shift leaders do. That is what raised eyebrows. Now it appears they shouldn't even be getting paid the same......  ??? not sure how this has happened but I will make people aware   

Unless they are on a step up/options then yeah a F&F shift leader is on the same as front end Team Support. I've just had this confirmed to me by the non food manager so if something different is happening in your store it probably is your duty to report it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 21-02-23, 05:53PM
They are wrong every variation with the words shift leader in there job title gets the higher skill payment
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CaramelBunny on 21-02-23, 06:28PM
Well something doesn't add up.

How can a shift leader who sticks only to F&F does no duty roles, is not a key holder and finishes at 6pm each day gets paid the same amount as a shift leader who will be duty for 12 hours each day, every day?



Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 21-02-23, 06:32PM
If this is really happening then you need to be ringing the protector line. Obviously for some reason this shift leader is getting full payment for a job you are claiming they aren't doing. If I was a shift leader doing 90% more work than someone being paid exactly the same as me I would be getting every union rep involved to figure out what is going on.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CaramelBunny on 21-02-23, 06:46PM
Its probably more to do with the fact they are incapable of being duty but that is my point. This person should never have been given the role and some how the store manager must have agreed they wouldn't have to do duty or other shift leader roles.

That however won't wash now as from May there are going to be new shift leaders getting paid exactly the same as this person but doing a huge great deal more work. Its going to explode up into a huge issue. I can see it now.

You can't have one rule for one set of shift leaders and another rule for the rest. Surely it breaks work laws.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 22-02-23, 12:00AM
Dot com shift leaders can have alot to deal with. Dot com going wrong can derail your entire store very quickly.
Best to keep them away from duty.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 22-02-23, 07:45AM
Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 06:28PMWell something doesn't add up.

How can a shift leader who sticks only to F&F does no duty roles, is not a key holder and finishes at 6pm each day gets paid the same amount as a shift leader who will be duty for 12 hours each day, every day?





It stinks for sure. How can the company justify paying a shift leader who has to duty all day the same amount as a shift leader who just walks around picking knickers and socks up off the floor?

Is this an oversight no one noticed was happening until now?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 22-02-23, 07:52AM
we have 2 .com team support.not shift leaders,they have been told the shift leader pay increase does not apply to them,or our 4 checkout team support girls
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Ashbeck on 22-02-23, 09:09AM
Dotcom are Fulfilment Shift Leaders, that is their role. They haven't been team supports since the last lot of changes.
There are some checkout team supports in bigger stores, other stores have off till activity. They aren't shift leaders.
I'm not sure of the pay structure for the F&F shift leader, but I know ours spends the majority of their time filling grocery and non-food. They haven't worked on F&F since about a month after they started the role. They still get enhanced pay whether that's TL or SL pay. The only difference I ever see between them and a customer assistant is they wear F&F clothing rather than uniform.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 09:50AM
Quote from: kaled78 on 22-02-23, 07:52AMwe have 2 .com team support.not shift leaders,they have been told the shift leader pay increase does not apply to them,or our 4 checkout team support girls
the 2 .com need to be seeing the store manager they are shift leads and c/outs are t/l and dont get the new increased rate
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BobbyDazler on 22-02-23, 01:58PM
I just asked the lead in my store, the F&F shift leader does not get the new rate
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 02:45PM
They need to read the pay rise brief.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Superdude09 on 22-02-23, 03:23PM
I'm contracted 9.25 hours 5.5 of those are on a Sunday.

my pay rise works out at £2.89 per WEEK
ie pay rise of 2.6% and because I'm not contracted just a Sunday I won't be getting a payout ( as described by the brief ).
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 22-02-23, 03:32PM
@superdude09 I work Sat night into Sunday also, (I'm full time) feels like discrimination that Sunday only get buy out.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 22-02-23, 04:34PM
Quote from: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 02:45PMThey need to read the pay rise brief.

You must have misunderstood it. My non food told me her 'shift leader' is not on the same paygrade as what the new shift leaders will be.

The fact other managers are also saying this means the store Rodie is from must have someone down on the wrong pay grade.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 06:10PM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 22-02-23, 04:34PM
Quote from: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 02:45PMThey need to read the pay rise brief.

You must have misunderstood it. My non food told me her 'shift leader' is not on the same paygrade as what the new shift leaders will be.

The fact other managers are also saying this means the store Rodie is from must have someone down on the wrong pay grade.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 06:18PM
All shift leaders with any variation of that in the title get the higher grade, that is from the q&a's in the union brief so maybe ask your union rep.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 22-02-23, 11:25PM
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 22-02-23, 03:32PM@superdude09 I work Sat night into Sunday also, (I'm full time) feels like discrimination that Sunday only get buy out.
While I sympathise with your situation the word "discriminate" gets trotted out by too many and for the wrong reasons far too often nowadays.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NeglectedBaker on 23-02-23, 09:45AM
If that's how they feel who are you to judge exactly?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyshopper on 23-02-23, 12:21PM
To be fair there should be a different skill bracket for Extra and Express shift leader. Express have far more responsibility such as , opening/ closing store , payroll , Cash, scratch cards,audits, Gap Scan, Bring in Fresh / ambient deliveries, tanker delivery's, Click to order, whoosh, Stock control, daily Cleaning routines, Bakery, Customer to pays and much more.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: ExSMfloor on 23-02-23, 04:54PM
All shift leaders will get the same new pay grade assuming they are shift leaders. This would include dot com fulfilment shift leaders who have a similarly demanding role, as well as F&F shift leaders (which for some strange reason still exist in a small minority of shops)

It won't apply to checkouts as these colleagues are still called 'team support' and there is a grade on the new pay table for them separate
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chocolatestrawberry on 24-02-23, 01:09PM
Any rumours on what the payrise could look like for managers?

Been a manager 7 years and now on just slightly more than what a full time shift leader gets, was appointed on £21k 7 years ago. Hope the business do something decent for us too.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 24-02-23, 01:56PM
All mgrs should be on a minimum off 26k since November last yr. If your not speak to your SM.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Davethebave on 24-02-23, 02:11PM
Yeah you should have gotten a pay rise last year to bring you in line with everyone else.

They have said they are going to invest in salaried pay and with the increase to 13.28 odd for shift leaders it would need to be a big investment if they want to attract and retain skilled managers
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: ExSMfloor on 24-02-23, 02:21PM
Needs a strong investment but I wouldn't hold out. No point in getting rid of team managers just to pay shift leaders the same and up the remaining managers onto what some of the higher paid Tm's were on before!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 24-02-23, 06:30PM
Quote from: FruityLoopy on 21-02-23, 02:32PMThe F&F 'Shift Leader' title should really be ''F&F Team Support''

That is why there is so much confusion over it.  The role is only there to do return to works  and add holidays onto the system. The F&F shift leader is not allowed to do lets talks, unlike dotcom shift leaders and front end team support who can.

Its a bit of a pointless role to be honest so they certainly should not be getting paid the top end of the shift leader wage! 

Agreed
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 24-02-23, 06:38PM
are you really surprised with this joke of an outfit?  :-X
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 24-02-23, 06:55PM
F and f shift leader role been updated today on our tesco,never read it before so not sure if it differs from before,it does look like they should be more global if you read it,it does say home/f and f which means should be doing non food id assume,worth a read if you think your one not pulling their weight
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: LittleMiss on 24-02-23, 07:55PM
Regarding the pay rise we probably won't see much of it due to some people having been overpaid on skills payments. Maybe csd team support etc. has anyone else heard about this?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 24-02-23, 09:47PM
Quote from: NeglectedBaker on 23-02-23, 09:45AMIf that's how they feel who are you to judge exactly?
"the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of ethnicity, age, sex, or disability"


Defintion of discrimination

Doesn't seem like a sunday worker only getting payout vs a full timer is any sort of discrimination just people trying to use a word that is more powerful to make out they are harder done by.   Might as well call it racist if you are going down that route.   for balance I am contracted Sunday as well so will lose out a bit.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 25-02-23, 03:23AM
@madness we can all google,if no one got a buy out we,d all be treated the SAME,and as for premiums i wouldnt walk in the garage and say ill give you 2 quid for daily star but knock 8 percent off my 100 quid diesel,its garbage
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 25-02-23, 07:27AM
They are saying we get payrise on 2nd of April but new low wage starts on 1st April breaking the law.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 25-02-23, 08:14AM
Read our tesco. Or the government law. Its not. It really doesn't need to change till the end of April when you get paid. Be happy the company is doing it on the 2nd.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 25-02-23, 11:13AM
The minimum wage changes with the tax year, which is from the 6th of April, in reality though, you aren't paid below the minimum wage until you receive your first pay amount in the first pay period of the new tax year at the end of April, at which point you should be paid at your new rate of pay anyway.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: breeksy on 25-02-23, 06:52PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 25-02-23, 07:27AMThey are saying we get payrise on 2nd of April but new low wage starts on 1st April breaking the law.

While you are correct that it comes in 1st April, the only way it would be illegal would be if someone only worked 1st April in the pay period - basically the amount paid in the pay period has to average above minimum wage.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 25-02-23, 09:07PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 25-02-23, 11:13AMThe minimum wage changes with the tax year, which is from the 6th of April, in reality though, you aren't paid below the minimum wage until you receive your first pay amount in the first pay period of the new tax year at the end of April, at which point you should be paid at your new rate of pay anyway.

Factually incorrect
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Donk180 on 27-02-23, 01:22AM
Does anyone else work in a location pay store? A shift leader going to £13.28 + £0.68 will be on £26,496.08 a year with a newly appointed manager being on £26,000.  So your actually better off being a shift leader.  How can that be allowed and is there a reason why managers don't get location pay as we live in the same location.  I know a pay review is coming in May but a shift leader getting payed paid more than a manager???
What's that going to do for the moral?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 27-02-23, 05:36AM
Believe this situation will be addressed in the management pay review to be announced in May....once the management restructuring has been completed
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-02-23, 04:49PM
Quote from: barafear on 25-02-23, 09:07PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 25-02-23, 11:13AMThe minimum wage changes with the tax year, which is from the 6th of April, in reality though, you aren't paid below the minimum wage until you receive your first pay amount in the first pay period of the new tax year at the end of April, at which point you should be paid at your new rate of pay anyway.

Factually incorrect

The new tax year IS from 6th April, payroll is either monthly at the month end (usually the last working day of the month or last working day of a date towards the end of the month) or 4 weekly, while the minimum wage does update from 1st April, no company pays monthly at the beginning of the month (that I'm aware of) and once in a blue moon do you get the scenario where a 4 weekly paid employee gets paid between 1st and the 5th April.

The point still stands though, you aren't paid below the minimum wage until you receive your 1st payslip from when the minimum wage taxes effect, which in 99.9% of cases is in the new tax year as historically, that is also when changes to the tax free allowance is also applied.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 27-02-23, 07:10PM
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 24-02-23, 06:55PMF and f shift leader role been updated today on our tesco,never read it before so not sure if it differs from before,it does look like they should be more global if you read it,it does say home/f and f which means should be doing non food id assume,worth a read if you think your one not pulling their weight

I believe the plan was always for one shift leader to cover all clothing and non food.

It still sinks however if the F&F shift leaders are being paid the same rate as the new shift fulfillment leaders.

The two roles couldn't be more different so it won't be sustainable.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 02-03-23, 07:38AM
For those unhappy with the latest circus - £11.80 base rate for coffee making.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64815332 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64815332)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 02-03-23, 07:59AM
Yeah ... but daily round trip commute of 330 miles 3/4 days a week, really not my thing ...  ;)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 02-03-23, 06:56PM
Thats my Usdaw membership cancelled and i know of plenty of others doing the same !
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 02-03-23, 11:47PM
i had to laugh at the usdaw printout we had in staffroom - proving our £11.02 is the HIGHEST PAY (by 2p) and trying to make it sound they did a fantastic job for us over 4 pages.. (didnt bother reading past the stupid chart/price table to make themselves sound good)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 02-03-23, 11:59PM
Shame other supermarkets have been paying £11 for a few months now. We still have to wait
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: dilligaf on 03-03-23, 01:41AM
Yet again you all blame USDAW, stores gave up their right to vote etc many years ago, the staff are the union, but while we can blame someone, there will be no gains... The present increase in the current climate isn't bad, does anyone listen to the news, what are most folk being offered in % pay rises??

Its great to blame, but a lot harder to to take a stand....
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 03-03-23, 02:48AM
You don't understand the fact that we CANT take a stand, there are processes that prevent us, One being that as a store the UNION (USDAW) is the one who represents us as the majority, meaning THEY need to change the terms of the previously imposed non strike action... Whereas with Warehouses/DCs they have their Union that goes "Bring it, we will strike".

If a colleague in store wants to strike, they can't... they need another Union Body to be recognised, which is highly unlikely and will take a huge amount of time, Stores can't just strike, they can face the dismissal for it due to the terms and agreement with the UNION, given that the UNION makes ALL decisions on OUR behalf, whether your in it or not its tough.. that's how it is for us...

Wage increases mean nothing with food, energy, basic necessities all going up... Stores have got an extra £0.72 an hour, so a full shift, £5.40, lets meet in the middle and say the average worker is a 3 day worker, thats an extra £64.80 (BEFORE deductions), and an extra £842.40 per year, okay great not a bad pay rise... (reduce that down to £43.20 / £561.60 if your a 3 day worker that has Sunday, think its about £585.00 with Sunday, so thats £257 less than if you had just worked a normal day.. excluding bank holiday which would raise it up a little)....

So food price has gone up by 16.6% currently, with it still going up, House prices going up, Mortgages going up, Rent Wars for who will pay more per month, energy prices have gone up 4x Gas, 3x Electricity mainly.. War in Ukraine with Russia that no one wants to deal with but just throw money towards / morale support, and government wanting to get rid of NHS and pay cause we're all just lazy and feeding a family of 4 is just £0.10 per day !

When you factor in all that, Companies are screwed, Employees are screwed, The Country is Screwed, We can blame because there is blame, but ultimately there isn't any solution that anyone can provide that can solve 1 issue or Many issues in a short space of time, One thing has a knock on effect because it's used as greed, But don't forget everyone blames Brexit... 8-)

WE in general, all of us together, the lower ones that aren't the richy richy that are sat in head office, are going to be screwed... But we are the biggest supermarket and we are paying one of the LOWEST wages, even against SPAR shops, Coffee Shops, competitors... We shouldn't be taking away, look after colleagues and the money will come in.. people will want to be there, want to shop.. but so far it just feels like between the past few years and going forward, Tesco will no longer have the manpower, all because paper says "You need this many people"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 03-03-23, 05:44AM
Part of the issue is the city expects Tesco to make £x billion pound in profit every year and to do that it needs to cut down on its costs - a key one being pay.

 So giving colleagues a substantial rise could in effect cause the business to miss its profits forecast which would then harm its share price and in turn effect investors confidence in the business as a whole.

Long Term think the only way we will get back to having Industry leading pay is if the CEO sets out and sells a plan that sees profits reduce for the greater good. Is it even morally right in a cost of living crisis that a supermarket makes over £1bn profit from essentially selling food that many in the country can't afford to buy?

However it's probably far easier not to upset/spook the city and just mirror the minimum wage + a few pence in every future wage negotiation.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 03-03-23, 09:08AM
We get nothing from USDAW. Someone put it perfectly in another thread, every Jan to March, then sometimes May to July, Tesco leave their colleagues fearing for their jobs over what ever pigs ear restructure they are planning next. No wonder the company is all over  the place, nothing stays stable long enough to see what is working and what isn't.  Its just change after change every year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-03-23, 10:44AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 03-03-23, 05:44AMPart of the issue is the city expects Tesco to make £x billion pound in profit every year and to do that it needs to cut down on its costs - a key one being pay.

 So giving colleagues a substantial rise could in effect cause the business to miss its profits forecast which would then harm its share price and in turn effect investors confidence in the business as a whole.

Long Term think the only way we will get back to having Industry leading pay is if the CEO sets out and sells a plan that sees profits reduce for the greater good. Is it even morally right in a cost of living crisis that a supermarket makes over £1bn profit from essentially selling food that many in the country can't afford to buy?

However it's probably far easier not to upset/spook the city and just mirror the minimum wage + a few pence in every future wage negotiation.

The sentiment was true in the era of easy money, interest rate rises tend to have an inverse effect on share prices as a lot of businesses depend on being leveraged to be profitable. Nowadays, investor confidence in UK businesses is low in the long term in no small part due to Brexit and how our economy is not diversified enough, relying on non-productive assets to deliver "growth" such as real estate.

For businesses to compete effectively in this era they really need value on the forefront of their sales strategy. Even The City fatcats are aware that making the profits they're used to isn't going to be as easy as it used to and won't be for a good few years I reckon.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 03-03-23, 12:15PM
I'm glad that this thread lives on - and it's good in a way to see diversified views - with some stating that they are grateful for pay rises and grateful to be employed - and others taking a very opposite view and "expecting" more - my own opinion is towards the latter view - however, I can understand the reasons for where we are - and I do struggle to believe that it is in any way "generous" of Tesco to be paying us what they are paying us.
Ever since the NLW was introduced and increased year on year by more than the "average wage inflation across all salary bands", then Tesco have "struggled" to remain compliant.
Deep down, Tesco want to treat us all the same - isn't that one of their mantras?
So - in theory, unless there is an element of performance related pay (which obviously there is at most management levels) then Tesco would prefer to implement a similar % pay increase for all staff (from GA colleagues all the way up to senior management) - so 5% for those on £10 an hour = 50p/hour and 5% for those earning £100k = £5k per year.

What's happened with the recent increases in the NLW (6%+ every year, and almost 10% this April) is that Tesco cannot afford to pay all staff a pay rise of 6-10% - but they almost "have to" pay that to the lowest paid staff in order to remain legal - or in line with their competitors.

But as we all know, over the last five years, there have been a number of things taken away from the lowest paid staff (and sometimes those above too) - such as annual bonus and reduction in premiums - in order to effectively "pay" for these "forced increases" - but also to try to "level" the playing field across all levels of staff - so management have maintained their right to an annual bonus - and I suspect some "additional premium" payments paid to management for "weekend working or similar" have probably remained too (I don't know this - I just suspect!).

The whole situation feels like one of those mathematical anomalies - historically it has always been said that UK had "cheap/low" grocery prices (I know looking at Tesco.ie website for Irish prices - they seemed to be higher - then again their staff seemed to be paid more too) - so a "correction" of pricing was probably long overdue - but clearly rather than gradual inflation, it has been fairly "sudden" - especially with prices of some items increasing by 50%+ over a short period of time.

I personally don't think a different union or stronger union would really be much help (for those at the bottom end) - and I've said before that it's hard to imagine that strike action by "unskilled staff" could have much of an impact - I don't know the full details of the depots - but I'm guessing they held a lot more power due to the fact there are relatively few of them - and that they serve such a large number of stores - therefore, any disruption would be felt across a number of stores -

if we imagine that we as GAs had the right to vote for strike action - the barriers to it working would be - in my opinion -

general apathy amongst most staff (the vocal minority on here and who write in the comments on OurT are simply that - a minority)
Unaffordability for most staff to "give up wages" - most are presumably living close to the breadline so willingly giving up pay would not really be an option
The ease with which unskilled staff can be replaced - overtime for other colleagues, managers, staff from other nearby stores etc.

Unfortunately, in terms of pay reviews, we are entirely dependent on the movement in the NLW - if that only increases by 2%, then our pay award would be about 2%.

"Fortunately" the future path of the NLW is that it will probably increase again next year to around £11.25 (7%+ increase) - beyond that, not sure - as the current "target to reach 2/3rd of the median (average) wage in the UK" is only until 2024.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-03-23, 01:27PM
The status quo most of us (and the labour force for that matter) have been exposed to was a prolonged unsustainable economic environment of ultra low interest rates and rampant Quantitative Easing, the result of this was that risk was undervalued, assets grew in price unsustainably and a growing number of companies were able to stay afloat and at the same time, not generate any real significant growth due to the access of cheap easy money when interest rates were sub 1%.

What this led to was the price of essential assets skyrocketing in price much faster than wage growth, working has become a less attractive option, younger workers from the millennial and Gen Z cohort rarely had a choice to simply choose to "not work".

We are now at the end of the economic era and we've transitioned to a period of quantitative tightening and deglobalization, with severe labour shortages at present in no small part due to the economic advantage enjoyed by Gen X's and Boomers allowing them to retire early, the trends of the last decade and a half may not necessarily apply, just as supply and demand has priced out younger generations from the property market, the same rules will force businesses to compete strongly in the next few years, the chickens have come home to roost, we are entering the era of corrections.
Title: 4 day nights trial
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 05-03-23, 12:15AM
Anybody know what the 4 day trial is in large formmats,is it managers doing 4 nights or just filling over 4 nights?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 05-03-23, 07:36AM
Its mgrs and team leaders only at the moment. Its trial until week 26. Go into our tesco and key in 'collective ' and read the part about tesco and union. It should be the top suggestion that comes up. Then you can read the discussions tesco and the union have been having regarding that and the redundancies. Its no secret.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Ashbeck on 05-03-23, 12:07PM
It wasn't briefed as a trial for managers and shift leaders. The notes say there's a trial in only 2 groups for a 4 day week for nights. The 4 day week for night TM and SL is every group.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 05-03-23, 07:06PM
I was looking at the difference in pay for shift leaders and skilled baker after tax it works out 15 pounds a week or 3 pounds a day to go for the shift leader role don't think it's worth the hassle .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-03-23, 09:45AM
Workload will definitely be less, job prospects don't look good for a skilled baker though, Wouldn't surprise me at all if they move to completely from frozen to save on costs in the near/mid future.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 06-03-23, 10:22AM
This idea of managers and shift leaders going from 5 days to 4 working the extra hours over the 4 days it sounds very caring of tesco " to help with work life balance" as it was put. But could it have other reasons if they ditch the night teams in these stores could it be that redundancy is not offered as the new hours of twlight / mornings would fall within the 50% range ( redundancy need not be offered if the
Hours difference is less than 50%)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: sam on 06-03-23, 10:51AM
Quote from: universe on 02-03-23, 06:56PMThats my Usdaw membership cancelled and i know of plenty of others doing the same !
yes i will
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 06-03-23, 11:36AM
Quote from: chris9997 on 06-03-23, 10:22AMThis idea of managers and shift leaders going from 5 days to 4 working the extra hours over the 4 days it sounds very caring of tesco " to help with work life balance" as it was put. But could it have other reasons if they ditch the night teams in these stores could it be that redundancy is not offered as the new hours of twlight / mornings would fall within the 50% range ( redundancy need not be offered if the
Hours difference is less than 50%)

Precisely the same idea I had... I sincerely doubt Tesco are offering this change out of the goodness of their hearts...clearly they will save money on night premium they would have paid for the 5th shift but I suspect there's more to it than just that.

Where does it say redundancy need not be offered if the hours difference is less than 50%?  :question:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Just a number on 06-03-23, 02:29PM
Hi, I'm sure I read somewhere that if 50%+ of your contract hours are before midnight /after 6am then your employer can change your hours to anything they want between 6am to midnight. I've tried looking this up but can't see it now. Is this still the case, if anyone can provide a link it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 06-03-23, 06:07PM
But surely 21.30-8.00 its only 4.5hrs worked for dayshift hours and 6 for nightshift hours, the break would come off the nightshift hours though so not sure how that would work in a 50/50 dayshift and nightshift hours scenario.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 06-03-23, 06:14PM
I think a phone call to ACAS may be useful.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Ashbeck on 06-03-23, 06:14PM
Even with the extra hours each day asking someone to go from working overnight to working during the day wouldn't be a reasonable change.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 06-03-23, 06:52PM
Remember on frog you can adjust your breaks as long as you take the full 1.5hrs. So make sure that 15mins are before midnight and 1 hr during the night and 15mins after 6am. Sorts the 50% problem.
The lead team on nights should be inputing on frog each week what nights you actually work that week as this may affect your weekend premium.  So it is important that they do this.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 06-03-23, 06:57PM
So the four days are made up of 10 and a half hours is that right.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 06-03-23, 07:01PM
That was the hours suggested by HO
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 06-03-23, 07:02PM
Less 1.5hrs for breaks gives 9hrs each night times 4 equals 36hrs. Simple.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 06-03-23, 08:09PM
Quote from: Just a number on 06-03-23, 02:29PMHi, I'm sure I read somewhere that if 50%+ of your contract hours are before midnight /after 6am then your employer can change your hours to anything they want between 6am to midnight. I've tried looking this up but can't see it now. Is this still the case, if anyone can provide a link it would be greatly appreciated.
I have read it on here last year I have seen it on the gov.uk web site but I can not locate it presently.
The reason I believe this is I have read it on the consultation notes on our Tesco, it was a question raised by usdaw relating to nights which has not been discussed / mentioned before except in the consult it was the following
Of the stores effected by night operation changes some stores will go from 7 nights to 5 nights fill ( this I think only effects Express.)
Usdaw asked if the fill nights removed cover over 50% of the contracted hours of individual staff can they take redundancy.
Answer will come back with answer in consult 3.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 07-03-23, 12:45PM
The 50% is on the consult meeting 3
If a colleagues hours are effected less than 50% they may not be offered the redundancy, unless there is a good reason for it to be offered.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Simonlyckntract on 07-03-23, 01:22PM
Has anyone got any ideas on what is happening to team managers who are still in the business ? I had my end of year review and not sure what is happening to pay ? The Union tell me it's down to me and my manager to discuss he tells me it's the Union ? I pay my subs for years get letters from the union telling me they represent my pay rises and they don't but I stil pay union fees at the same cost as everyone else ? Who represents the managers for pay rises ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Simonlyckntract on 07-03-23, 01:23PM
Quote from: dilligaf on 03-03-23, 01:41AMYet again you all blame USDAW, stores gave up their right to vote etc many years ago, the staff are the union, but while we can blame someone, there will be no gains... The present increase in the current climate isn't bad, does anyone listen to the news, what are most folk being offered in % pay rises??

Its great to blame, but a lot harder to to take a stand....


What is the answer most of the people have left since this was done ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 07-03-23, 03:27PM
Quote from: Simonlyckntract on 07-03-23, 01:22PMHas anyone got any ideas on what is happening to team managers who are still in the business ? I had my end of year review and not sure what is happening to pay ? The Union tell me it's down to me and my manager to discuss he tells me it's the Union ? I pay my subs for years get letters from the union telling me they represent my pay rises and they don't but I stil pay union fees at the same cost as everyone else ? Who represents the managers for pay rises ?



Managers pay brief is in May in line with the usual pay timeline's with managers annual pay briefs. GAs pay increase talks were brought forward to January which is why they got an earlier pay increase.

Managers pay is deal with the SATA union reps although I can't remember seeing a SATA rep instore for years!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 07-03-23, 10:22PM
Quote from: Simonlyckntract on 07-03-23, 01:22PMHas anyone got any ideas on what is happening to team managers who are still in the business ? I had my end of year review and not sure what is happening to pay ? The Union tell me it's down to me and my manager to discuss he tells me it's the Union ? I pay my subs for years get letters from the union telling me they represent my pay rises and they don't but I stil pay union fees at the same cost as everyone else ? Who represents the managers for pay rises ?
I can understand why GA's think they need to be in the union incase they are in a store with bad managers but why would a manager be in the union. They are clowns with no idea what they are doing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Simonlyckntract on 08-03-23, 07:33AM
Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).   Admin.

They are clowns with no idea what they are doing. Maybe you have a very blinkered view or feel you have been to feel negativity towards management as a manager who has been in the company a long time and was a union rep for many years feels a little frustrated by the way some of us have been treated clearly you have an issue with authority my question was with the lack of communication and lack of transparency Lao I relation to people who who voted there right away with Usdaw this was along time ago most of these people would have left by now surely there was a review stage put in when this was agreed ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 08-03-23, 07:51AM
I doubt its in anyone's interest to change the Partnership Agreement. Tesco benefit from the no strike deal and in return Usdaw benefit from being the only union recognised in stores and from reps being given time to recruit new members.

Members may well want to change it, but if u were head of Usdaw why change something that could dramatically reduce your source of income?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 08-03-23, 12:31PM
Quote from: Simonlyckntract on 07-03-23, 01:23PM
Quote from: dilligaf on 03-03-23, 01:41AMYet again you all blame USDAW, stores gave up their right to vote etc many years ago, the staff are the union, but while we can blame someone, there will be no gains... The present increase in the current climate isn't bad, does anyone listen to the news, what are most folk being offered in % pay rises??

Its great to blame, but a lot harder to to take a stand....


What is the answer most of the people have left since this was done ?

The fact that members "gave up" their right to vote nearly 25 years ago once again highlights how preposterous it is for any Trade Union to recommend it to the members to begin with. Their rationale at the time... low turn out when balloting on pay. So what happens now... literally a handful of people voting on behalf of every store member within the uk. The more you think about it the more contradictory it is.

Furthermore, to add insult to injury, Usdaw have campaigned to support protection for the "right to strike" for members of any union yet as a Union, Usdaw not only allowed AND supported our right to vote being taken away but also are against our right to vote to be reinstated. If this isn't the epitome of hypocrisy then god knows what is.

Someone on here stated that Tesco won't allow Usdaw members within stores to vote on pay. It's f**k all to do with the company and EVERYTHING to do with the Union. It's weak. It's embarrassing. It's exploitative.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 08-03-23, 05:32PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 08-03-23, 07:51AMI doubt its in anyone's interest to change the Partnership Agreement. Tesco benefit from the no strike deal and in return Usdaw benefit from being the only union recognised in stores and from reps being given time to recruit new members.

Members may well want to change it, but if u were head of Usdaw why change something that could dramatically reduce your source of income?
usdaw benefit from getting back handers for allowing tesco to have their own way
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: inthemix on 17-03-23, 05:08PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64987428

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/17/aldi-raises-uk-shop-worker-pay-for-fourth-time-in-just-over-a-year

Aldi starting pay will be £11.40 per hour from July.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 17-03-23, 06:23PM
Back in the day ALDI paid 25-30% more for a ga over Tesco, ASDA, Sainsbury's etc.  But then you had to actually work.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 17-03-23, 06:38PM
Madness your absolutely correct. 95% staff couldn't cope with a shift in these German supermarkets. We have had a few staff return with stories of woe. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 18-03-23, 07:31PM
Also Aldi and Lidl do not muck about when it comes to getting rid of people not making an effort unlike Tesco who make a right meal out of it via syp, in the German chains its a case of your manager telling you either shape up or your out tomorrow and its no idle threat.  I know a couple who went from Tesco to Aldi thinking it would be easy money and soon found out its nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 19-03-23, 06:55PM
I dunno a few of ours went to nearby Lidl's, one is in her 60's now, she said "it's so much better, it's like a close knit family, you all know each other, you get along and everything works, there's no headless chickens running it"

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lordadmiral on 20-03-23, 08:08AM
Quote from: madness on 17-03-23, 06:23PMBack in the day ALDI paid 25-30% more for a ga over Tesco, ASDA, Sainsbury's etc.  But then you had to actually work.
Still do but they pay depends from years of service.

Today the 'entry' pay rate in retail is very similar no matters which company you choose.

But from conversation with people working for various retailers It feels like Tesco is now offering the worst pay package.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 20-03-23, 10:24AM
if you dont mind hard work and you thrive on challenges then i dont see why working for one of the discounters should be an issue, and thousands do work for them without issue, the trouble with big T is we do appear to employ a fare share of slackers who think going to a rival whould be a doddle.
Also if you look at the likes of Waitrose the shops are clean fairly well stocked and most staff appear to be working MM inluded, all which appears to be lacking at the T.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 20-03-23, 01:17PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 21-02-23, 04:56PMWhat does the role pack say in regards to what is expected of a shift leader?

My superstore has 4 shift leaders who appear to be quite expensive fillers. I know they are also key holders and open and close the store. £13.28 x 36.5hrs appears to be very generous.

13.30 is what I get for night work in express going to 14.30 soon and on saturdays 16.60.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 20-03-23, 07:15PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 20-03-23, 01:17PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 21-02-23, 04:56PMWhat does the role pack say in regards to what is expected of a shift leader?

My superstore has 4 shift leaders who appear to be quite expensive fillers. I know they are also key holders and open and close the store. £13.28 x 36.5hrs appears to be very generous.

13.30 is what I get for night work in express going to 14.30 soon and on saturdays 16.60.
Also do duty for whole store ,manage check outs customer complaints make sure staff are in right place so any cages left get them done,to be honest there is so much more to the role that only a desperate person would want that job for so little money.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 20-03-23, 08:24PM
Bobmay. No redundancy for you then.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 21-03-23, 11:42AM
 :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 21-03-23, 12:26PM
Splutters coffee over phone ... ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Drastic on 24-03-23, 03:17PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 24-03-23, 07:07PM
I'm fortunate enough to be detached from the typical salary scale enough that I'm not impacted by what I see, this pay review is a good one for hourly paid colleagues, the trend outside of Retail however isn't as pretty, for most of the other industries with middling pay (£30-£40k a year bracket) the percentages are on average 3-4% across the board, the bigger picture is that traditional middle income jobs are falling further and further down the salary ladder when looking at the range of lowest to highest.

The middle class has been eroding for the past 15 years, looking at other salaried jobs that are around the same pay packet as most managers, I would expect something along the lines of 5% at most as an increase to their salary, maybe 7% for the £26k a year Team Managers being the exception.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 25-03-23, 01:20AM
Line managers cannot get 7% payrise. Kinda proved how far removed you are from the "front line"
Personally my decesion to leave mangment was after covid where i got a "met" despite volunteering to run all the covid related jobs in store. looking after the 10-20 car park and store help people we had. All the time still running my 3 departments in store.
To be classed as "met" was a f****ng insult that was the final straw for a pathetic 2% pay increase.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 25-03-23, 11:00AM
Sorry but what is a "met"?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 25-03-23, 11:03AM
It means you achieved the basic requirements of your job....didn't go the extra mile etc etc...what used to be called a green...but its changed again now
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 25-03-23, 01:21PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-03-23, 12:16PM
Quote from: madness on 25-03-23, 01:20AMLine managers cannot get 7% payrise. Kinda proved how far removed you are from the "front line"
Personally my decesion to leave mangment was after covid where i got a "met" despite volunteering to run all the covid related jobs in store. looking after the 10-20 car park and store help people we had. All the time still running my 3 departments in store.
To be classed as "met" was a f****ng insult that was the final straw for a pathetic 2% pay increase.

It'd be very easy to argue that at least a 7% raise is in order for TMs on the base £26k a year salary as to not give that would mean they'd be too close to Shift Leaders on earnings and therefore the role would lose the financial incentive for anyone to progress to it.

A 7% raise would push it up from £26k a year to near enough £28k a year, if they didn't, especially with inflation and the labour market the way it is, they will be very hard pushed to fill these positions.

In fact, if what you said would be the case, you'd just have TMs dropping down to Shift Leaders in the long term as they're guaranteed a pay raise regardless of performance, the nominal increases would outpace the 2-3% raises TMs would get with their "mets".
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 26-03-23, 04:32PM
They don't value any of them though, so 7% is highly unlikely, they want to cut them thin as much as they can and what better way than making them leave of their own accord due to the bad pay rise? Expect something more like 3% maximum I'd say to be honest, or 4% and removal of bonus
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 26-03-23, 06:38PM
To have a different pay structure to other staff in that you get a pay rise based on performance is totally wrong , as your financial future is based around your bosses interpretation of your job role.
I expect MM who don't deserve pay rises get it and ones who do don't get it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-03-23, 12:57AM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 26-03-23, 04:32PMThey don't value any of them though, so 7% is highly unlikely, they want to cut them thin as much as they can and what better way than making them leave of their own accord due to the bad pay rise? Expect something more like 3% maximum I'd say to be honest, or 4% and removal of bonus

If they didn't value them they wouldn't be in the structure, if they want their operational vision of SL's being duty and TMs being more admin focused, they need to make the role tenable for progression, if they give 3-4% increases, they would be on about £1k above an SL (maybe less than that if you consider they got their pay raise a few months after).

Retainment needs to be a key part of their operations strategy, failing that and you'll have stores with no or a lack of TMs.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-03-23, 01:19AM
I agree however they have the focus of cut cut cut, and whatever the papers say that are thrown in from to them, they'll follow.. Its why there's so much aggro on the shop floor, no staff but overhours.. Like heat maps say for ours we have too many staff on back door during day.. With 60 hours over, we have 1 person who's currently contracted and does it during the week for 4 hours a day for 4 days 😂, the other hours used are used from everywhere else which are already over anyhow so it's always a shambles so just have to see what gets offered...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 27-03-23, 04:21PM
Anyone know what the rate of pay will be on b/h Monday's?
Will it be the new £12.89 like on Sunday's or will it still be time + 1/4? Thanks
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-03-23, 05:29PM
bank holidays are staying at time + 25%, its only sundays that are time and 17%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 27-03-23, 06:29PM
 :thumbup: thanks
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 27-03-23, 06:32PM
What happens with bank hols as easter falls twice in the same holiday period?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 27-03-23, 06:58PM
If you want Both Easters off you need to use some of your holiday allowance for both dates in this holiday year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 30-03-23, 12:22PM
Quote from: 5fdp on 20-03-23, 08:24PMBobmay. No redundancy for you then.

They have already stated that most express stores have removed nights soon my store will be joining them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 31-03-23, 04:57PM
More tales of the riverbank,eh, Bobmay ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 31-03-23, 05:45PM
Bobmay...hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Pmjd84 on 04-04-23, 09:51PM
Does anyone know if we are getting a bonus this year?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 04-04-23, 10:30PM
Store managers have this year pay %'s banding increases.

Looks like a matrix of 3% at the smallest to 11% at the biggest
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 05-04-23, 12:10AM
Bonus will be announced mid April sometime.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 05-04-23, 04:47PM
To be paid in April or May?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Beanny on 05-04-23, 06:29PM
Paid in June!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: T.C.1 on 05-04-23, 09:00PM
It would be a pleasant surprise if we got a bonus but I thought we gave the bonus up with a pay rise 2 years ago?.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 05-04-23, 11:34PM
Only mgrs get a bonus if achieved.  Staff a 10% payrise when mgrs got fa.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 06-04-23, 08:30AM
managers get a payrise, bonus, no questions asked for being off when they are ill.. and better pay 🤷�♂️, the downside is they are the lackeys too that are expected to be in at a dime, any time all the time too... So comes with the job 🤷�♂️, 10% for us is still a pay-cut from what we were on years back.. our managers pay has gone up, our staffs has gone down / lost in some other way..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Attilla on 06-04-23, 11:37AM
Sorry who had 10% shop floor had 7% which is actually a pay cut when the government's  own figures for inflation are higher than that.  That now two years on the trot we've had below inflation rises.  Don't forget we didn't  have a pay rise for 2 or 3 years a while back.  So nowhere near where we should be.   Anybody take the time to read the pay review?  Christ the company  came to the table  with an offer of less then 4%. That's what they think of you !
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-04-23, 03:11PM
Most employers aren't paying above inflation, even skilled roles, all things considered 7% is not a bad increase, there's certainly far worse out there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-04-23, 04:20PM
Quote from: Attilla on 06-04-23, 11:37AMSorry who had 10% shop floor had 7% which is actually a pay cut when the government's  own figures for inflation are higher than that.  That now two years on the trot we've had below inflation rises.  Don't forget we didn't  have a pay rise for 2 or 3 years a while back.  So nowhere near where we should be.   Anybody take the time to read the pay review?  Christ the company  came to the table  with an offer of less then 4%. That's what they think of you !
union rep told me Tesco pushed for 10.70 with Sunday premium removed
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-04-23, 09:42PM
What do we get paid for working good Friday? Is it time + 1/4?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 06-04-23, 10:13PM
bank holidays are time + 25% still, normal sundays are time + 17%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-04-23, 10:46PM
Cool. If you pick up overtime on a b/h Monday is that time + 1/4 too or just single time? Thanks
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-04-23, 08:59AM
again, as said, Bank Holidays are Time +25%, and Sundays are 17%, So that INCLUDES ALL Bank holidays, Good Friday, Bankholiday mondays, Christmas etc, only exception is the Coronation in May which is 2.25x
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 07-04-23, 12:12PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Elly1519 on 07-04-23, 01:25PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-04-23, 08:59AMagain, as said, Bank Holidays are Time +25%, and Sundays are 17%, So that INCLUDES ALL Bank holidays, Good Friday, Bankholiday mondays, Christmas etc, only exception is the Coronation in May which is 2.25x
It's only 2.25x if it is a contracted shift.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-04-23, 04:22PM
Aye only contracted shift, missed that bit out  :P
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jonty on 07-04-23, 06:02PM
https://www.scotsman.com/business/tesco-set-to-lay-bare-profit-impact-as-inflation-eats-into-margins-4096505
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MAI on 10-04-23, 11:32AM
Another interesting thread. Tesco are back to making 2.5-3 billion per annum which is what it used to make 8-10 years ago towards the end of Terry era and into the first few years after.
That is with practically zero expensive talent (most have long gone) and zero international businesses left.

Then they continue to have mass restructures and redundancies at store level, effectively making all managers do 4 managers jobs and making GA's the best role to have as the pay difference between the two is now minimal. Bizarre. I am sure people are realising investing in people/options and development is over.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 12-04-23, 04:20PM
Do we get paid any extra if we are contracted to work on the actual coronation day, May 6th?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 5fdp on 12-04-23, 05:54PM
Only if you work it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 12-04-23, 06:25PM
I think Fatlad means the Saturday 6th when the actual coronation takes place.

There's no additional pay for working the Saturday, it's the Monday that's extra.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 13-04-23, 07:30PM
Has this been confirmed?? Just, we haven't heard anything in our store as yet.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 14-04-23, 05:59AM
All the info about coronation pay is on colleague help.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cooper on 30-04-23, 06:03PM
Anybody know what the managers pay rise and bonus will be?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Beanny on 30-04-23, 06:43PM
Managers pay rise from 6th May. Bonus 2.9%.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: IceMan96 on 01-05-23, 07:04PM
Does anybody know what the new salary for newly appointed managers will be and when does it go live?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 01-05-23, 07:10PM
my pay this month was not as much as was expected with the new increase, are holidays worked out as an average of 52 weeks?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cooper on 02-05-23, 09:08PM
Quote from: IceMan96 on 01-05-23, 07:04PMDoes anybody know what the new salary for newly appointed managers will be and when does it go live?
wish they'd hurry up and tell us.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 03-05-23, 06:19PM
Wage Clerks are  going  :o its going to be announced in week 12.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 03-05-23, 06:50PM
Wow I expected it would come but not this quick. Its a skills payment so will they be offered redundancy or pay protection for a year I wonder?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 03-05-23, 07:59PM
if that is true,I can't wait to see the smug"im better than you ga's" look wiped from the face of ours
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jamesowhiteo on 03-05-23, 08:55PM
Can anyone else confirm this?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: sammy on 03-05-23, 09:27PM
Job 14 moving to the morning I've already heard being announced in week 12. So seems to tie in with that
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 04-05-23, 05:30AM
Has there been any update about night managers doing the 4night working week instead of the current 5nights?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mrs sparrow on 04-05-23, 07:29AM
If wages is going and potentials are moving to fresh, that doesn't bode well for Stock and Admin managers in the larger superstores and Extras.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 04-05-23, 08:23AM
Its odd isn't it, makes you wonder why they didn't ditch stock and admin managers during the shake up but there is defo an announcement regarding stock and admin being made in week 12.

My guess is job14 moving to mornings and those colleagues eventually being transferred to be part of the Fresh Department and in many ways this does make sense. 

Wage Clerks going with any additional wages work being incorporated into the Admin Colleagues role.  What to watch out for here is whether Admin Colleagues get given a pay increase.

That would leave Stock/Admin managers with barely no head count. If so the role will be gone within a year. I wonder if Admin Colleagues will also come under the direct management of the store manager should they no longer have a department head?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BobbyDazler on 04-05-23, 09:01AM
I wonder if PR colleagues are going to be asked to move to mornings or whether those already on Fresh will be expected to do it? because how will this work with the new scheduler?

I'm not surprised at Wages going but I am surprised its potentially happening this quick. I can see them being offered redundancy if pay protection for 12 months isn't on offer. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 04-05-23, 09:05AM
In regards to the Scheduler, Its already been mentioned on here but the fact Admin Colleagues are exempt from being moved but Wages Colleagues aren't was the first sign something was brewing. They have known about this for ages.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Greyninja on 04-05-23, 05:14PM
Quote from: Mikoo on 03-05-23, 06:19PMWage Clerks are  going  :o its going to be announced in week 12.
Can I ask how you've heard this info please and is it for definite? 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SpudChucker1970 on 04-05-23, 05:45PM
Quote from: BrightEyes on 04-05-23, 09:01AMI wonder if PR colleagues are going to be asked to move to mornings or whether those already on Fresh will be expected to do it? because how will this work with the new scheduler?

I'm not surprised at Wages going but I am surprised its potentially happening this quick. I can see them being offered redundancy if pay protection for 12 months isn't on offer. 

Morning PR scan will sit with relevant departments so no one moves hours. Current evening staff will be relocated to other departments
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 05-05-23, 06:37AM
Sounds like a potential disaster pardon the pun they struggle to get departments filled without having this on top of it.But anyway they know best as always,just keep piling the pressure on hey.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 05-05-23, 08:16AM
Quote from: SpudChucker1970 on 04-05-23, 05:45PM
Quote from: BrightEyes on 04-05-23, 09:01AMI wonder if PR colleagues are going to be asked to move to mornings or whether those already on Fresh will be expected to do it? because how will this work with the new scheduler?

I'm not surprised at Wages going but I am surprised its potentially happening this quick. I can see them being offered redundancy if pay protection for 12 months isn't on offer. 

Morning PR scan will sit with relevant departments so no one moves hours. Current evening staff will be relocated to other departments

I've heard job14 colleagues will be asked to move 8am - 12pm. The stock manager will still remain their manager for now.  All reductions have to be completed by 12pm then thats it for the day. No more. This solves the issue of colleagues who get moved on the scheduler from having to do department routines, they will just be expected to fill or clean.
 
I've not heard any confirmation about Wages going yet though but I spoke with our stock/admin manager yesterday and she said that it will be getting scaled back at some point. Her guess was next year. So it will probably be the January 2024 announcement with Wage Clerks going in May 2024.  She doesn't believe Admin Colleagues will be effected.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 05-05-23, 08:50AM
Believe the trial had PR starting from 6am, and everything getting a instant reduction.....therefore no more reviews needed until finals. Departments were asked to cover this and existing PR team were given replenishment/service tasks in their current shifts.

Logically with exceptions at a bare minimum and schedule to workload in operation, wages clerks could be moved tomorrow. All the business would need to do is announce some form of wage protection to cover the loss of the skills element.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 05-05-23, 09:08AM
Yeah if Wages is going why hold off for a year? they could ditch them instantly and it would not effect a thing.

 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: candysue on 05-05-23, 10:59PM
Quote from: Sunflowers on 05-05-23, 09:08AMYeah if Wages is going why hold off for a year? they could ditch them instantly and it would not effect a thing.

 
How would you like it if someone said the same about you and your job? I have been a wage clerk for the past 18 years and I'm aware that there are odd wage clerks that think they are better than the ga's but all of us are not like that, I am friends with everyone in our store and as far as I'm aware none of them want me to go as they know the most important thing to me is that I do my very best to get their wages correct!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 06-05-23, 06:18AM
With the new contract you are unlikely to be going anywhere, instead your time  would be reassigned to other tasks instore thus allowing you to work alongside all your friends.

With colleagues clocking in and out; managers tasked at ensuring every shift is loaded on FROG and managers ensuring every absence call is added onto the system, wages is by and large automated....meaning if everyone is doing as they should - there is very little daily for wage clerks to do.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 06-05-23, 07:14AM
Don't quote me on it *but* as I said earlier, I heard the announcement about Wage Clerks going will be made in June with the role going in September.

I doubt anyone will be made redundant, It will most likely be protected pay for 18 months and a move to another department.

Admin staff will stay as they are for now.

The new system means there is no need for wage clerks. For better or worse the company has outgrown the role.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 06-05-23, 07:21AM
Well its defo true about job14 moving to mornings. One of our managers told me about it yesterday! they haven't fully decided how they will go about moving the colleagues who do it yet as most are students.

Announcement is week 12
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Elly1519 on 06-05-23, 07:31AM
Quote from: candysue on 05-05-23, 10:59PM
Quote from: Sunflowers on 05-05-23, 09:08AMYeah if Wages is going why hold off for a year? they could ditch them instantly and it would not effect a thing.

 
How would you like it if someone said the same about you and your job? I have been a wage clerk for the past 18 years and I'm aware that there are odd wage clerks that think they are better than the ga's but all of us are not like that, I am friends with everyone in our store and as far as I'm aware none of them want me to go as they know the most important thing to me is that I do my very best to get their wages correct!

candysue

Well said you. Like you I'm friends with everyone in store and I solve more pay queries before they occur than anybody can guess at. I challenge managers on a daily basis about how they have coded exceptions and most of the time I'm right to challenge them.

Sunflowers

Wouldn't affect a thing? God help you all if the wages clerks go and managers do it all themselves. The amount of pay queries will be astronomical and most of them won't have a clue how to resolve them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 06-05-23, 07:39AM
Totally agree with you and like I keep saying I'm not self employed why should I flag up a help ticket or whatever its called, a face to face in store is more of what's needed and normally can give you an answer or help you straight away.  You can't rely on your manager their not interested.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 06-05-23, 04:31PM
In theory ALL managers should know how to code all types of exceptions and be more than able to do them themselves.

It is part of the training.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Elly1519 on 06-05-23, 06:25PM
Eunnii,
When you have manager's coding absences as overtime and overtime as holiday, there is something seriously wrong. Yes, they've had the training but they can't do the job. They answer exceptions as quickly as possible and then disappear to do something else. Try asking them to input a part day absence correctly.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 07-05-23, 08:27AM
I get what you are saying but, its part of management training so if line managers can't do exceptions properly its up the lead and store managers to have a word with them about it.

There is really no excuse for any manager not knowing how to do absence or holidays. That is the most basic of stuff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NorthbyNorthwest on 07-05-23, 09:28AM
Whilst it is basic, the main gripe as a manager is the system itself. Many a time you would go in to adjust a shift and it wouldn't allow you to submit it. Every Tesco system is flawed in this way. Where you wish for flexibility in staffing, you'd expect the same in the system as well, but it just isn't there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 07-05-23, 09:58AM
Not much going on about 'Pay review 2023'
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 07-05-23, 11:38AM
Expect there'll be a lot more come Tuesday when meetings kick off. I don't hold out much hope of anything particularly decent  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: GotAClubcard on 07-05-23, 06:24PM
The Wage clerk in our store thinks they are a cut above everyone else so it should be funny to see their reaction when they find out their role is going. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-05-23, 07:56PM
Has anyone heard about the pay for managers? There's a broad expectation of increases to the order of 4.2-7% from what i've heard which matches up with TMs starting salary being pushed up to £28k a year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Spidercatcher on 07-05-23, 09:50PM
Quote from: GotAClubcard on 07-05-23, 06:24PMThe Wage clerk in our store thinks they are a cut above everyone else so it should be funny to see their reaction when they find out their role is going. 

We must work in the same store, and if we don't - what is it with some wages clerks in Tesco? They seem to look upon us as underlings whose wrongly calculated underpaid wages are none of our damned business.

I can't see our wages clerk wanting to take a step down to work amongst us mere plebs, it would be well beneath her. And anyway, all that physical bending, stretching and reaching would surely play havoc with the situation of her neatly placed tiara. Nah. Can't see it.  :)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 07-05-23, 11:28PM
Night and day, store managers have had the meat of the pay rise available to them on work and pay since a few weeks ago, shows ineptitude if they don't know how to since even the walk through on it are on Tesco Helps stores apps work and pay  ;D

Max WL1 wage 36K.

The big question around this pay rise is in my opinion DO THE WAGE BANDS CURRENTLY EARNED WEIGH UPON THE RAISE.

I've always been an exceed. I had 3.6% last financial year and the minimum earning 24.5k manager moving to 26k a few months ago going to 28k this year getting essentially 14.5% to fail upwards.

Why bother getting an exceed if minimum wage increases at the bottom end mean that tesco have to scramble to increase the minimums to retain management which result in pay increases beyond the scope that can be earned in pay brackets.

Simple message, deliver the minimum. To everyone on 30k that has a 10% increase remember that after tax that's raise is £156 a month. Did that pay your gas/electricity. Or food. Or fuel. Or mortgage. What about combined?

Honestly. If anyone wants a pay rise just work the odd 2 Sundays a year, it's the same as a met or more without having to give a s***.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 08-05-23, 07:36AM
I thought one of the the plans with the introduction of shift leaders was to stop using managers for Sunday overtime?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 08-05-23, 08:17AM
Probably a longer term plan, but would be a disaster if you left just barely trained shift leaders alone in stores when open and trading on one of the busiest days of the week.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 08-05-23, 09:47AM
@kaled yeah shift leaders are the plan, but in the real world people have sickness / holidays / mat leave and a million other things which still need cover throughout a standard year.

I was a little angry yesterday after having a conversation with another manager, it was along the lines of my 8 years of Blues (in old money) and exceeds have basically now been eroded as an entry level / not met or for whatever reason manager is now basically on par with what I earn. In 2010/11 when performance related pay was enacted I'm sure they didn't forsee inflation being what it is now, but this situation is what it is.

I understand that GAs should be angry as well. The old 3.6% annual share rewards turned into a bonus which turned into a straight pay increase which in turn was eroded to minimum pay. In the space of 6 years the relative pay packet has been massively eroded while the unions stood by and gave themselves a pat on the back year after year for a job well done 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 08-05-23, 12:48PM
Quote from: kaled78 on 08-05-23, 07:36AMI thought one of the the plans with the introduction of shift leaders was to stop using managers for Sunday overtime?

While I'm sure that's the plan, I know of at least one team manager who came in on overtime every Sunday and picked up a 6 hour checkout shift😂
Store manager and lead manager were p****d every week but there was nothing they could do to stop it.
I also know that one of the remaining team managers has said they will do the same if they are stopped doing overtime on the management rota, again nothing the company can do about it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 08-05-23, 12:51PM
@techsupporter, I know the feeling.
Get a miss review and have up to a 4k pay rise, get a met or above and lucky if you get 1k.
Think store managers are going to be either surprised at the backlash or know it's coming.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Daddycool on 08-05-23, 06:01PM
When does the team managers pay get announced?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Towers45 on 08-05-23, 06:02PM
I was at work today and my boss said it will be announcement this week.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Adywebb on 08-05-23, 09:55PM
Individual Managers will be told their pay awards from tomorrow
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 09-05-23, 11:02AM
Had mine today
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Towers45 on 09-05-23, 11:30AM
What was your % ??
Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).   Admin.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Porcelin king on 09-05-23, 01:16PM
Why bother giving us a pay rise.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Towers45 on 09-05-23, 01:19PM
Has anyone had there's yet and know the % I'm hearing all sorts
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 09-05-23, 01:20PM
Seen a manager at 30700 get 5.8% on an exceed how / what;

Heard, but not confirmed, a met manager at 26k getting 10% 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Towers45 on 09-05-23, 01:24PM
I'm on 27 so wonder what mine will be
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jeff123 on 09-05-23, 01:42PM
Any team managers willing to share pay review info to compare and make sense of what they have done and how fair it is?
Think it would help to compare from a wide pool
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Porcelin king on 09-05-23, 01:47PM
4.5% as you can imagine I'm well chuffed with that might go out spoil myself to a full tank of fuel
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Towers45 on 09-05-23, 01:50PM
What is your salary, wondering if it's less for the more you are on?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lfcni1986 on 09-05-23, 02:49PM
Any word on what newly appointed managers will be starting on?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bubblebathtime on 09-05-23, 04:34PM
£28750 now the starting rate 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 09-05-23, 05:07PM
Quote from: Jeff123 on 09-05-23, 01:42PMAny team managers willing to share pay review info to compare and make sense of what they have done and how fair it is?
Think it would help to compare from a wide pool

I was on £28750 and with a met received a 8.7% increase. I'm content with that rise, I was fully prepared to be disappointed.

From what my SM said the banding has been moved/increased and top end is potentially £42K or £44K, I can't recall.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: AsdaBeBetter on 09-05-23, 05:37PM
Quote from: Jeff123 on 09-05-23, 01:42PMAny team managers willing to share pay review info to compare and make sense of what they have done and how fair it is?
Think it would help to compare from a wide pool
Mine was 6.35%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Lucifer on 09-05-23, 05:58PM
Why are you using met and exceed for reviews? Thought it was new system with everyone
 Below expectation
Satisfactory
Great
Or outstanding.
So haven't found out my payrise yet is everyone pleased so far?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 09-05-23, 06:32PM
Old habits on the terminology! Only just stopped using RAG  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Fornton on 09-05-23, 07:03PM
In my view the company is a complete disgrace. I work in a 1.2 million a week store that once had the following, bakery/ bread and cakes manager, fruit and veg manager, and dairy meat and poultry manager plus a lead fresh manager, now it has just one manager for all of fresh. The total combined salary was once around 130k plus a year to oversee all these areas, now its deemed just one persons job. The pay review as per usual is a complete farce, the starting rate for a position that size should be at least 36k starting,  all this talk about wanting to 'level up' managers pay is a joke all that is doing is penalising those managers that have performed in previous years and offering them shameful if any payrise, now they have the cheek to say you can actually get to a fair pay for your job if you achieve an outstanding grade for the next 10 years.....
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 09-05-23, 07:23PM
What about a baked beans manager. Didn't you have one of them? :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HelpsVeryLittle on 09-05-23, 07:59PM
Quote from: JJH on 09-05-23, 05:07PM
Quote from: Jeff123 on 09-05-23, 01:42PMAny team managers willing to share pay review info to compare and make sense of what they have done and how fair it is?
Think it would help to compare from a wide pool

I was on £28750 and with a met received a 8.7% increase. I'm content with that rise, I was fully prepared to be disappointed.

From what my SM said the banding has been moved/increased and top end is potentially £42K or £44K, I can't recall.

Lucky you. I was on 29k, had a Great review and only got a 5.25% rise.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Lucifer on 09-05-23, 08:44PM
How is the % so different between the two of you specially the Great review being lower?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 09-05-23, 09:02PM
Its all about the pay banding.

Anyone over 29k has been shafted even on great reviews to a limit of around 6%

Food for thought though - There's LOTS of newish managers that have recently gone from £24,000ish in November 2022 to £28,500 in June 2023.

Yet high scoring managers, higher up in the current pay bandings from previous performance related pay increases got roughly 1.6k  ???
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jeff123 on 09-05-23, 09:03PM
So am I right in saying if you have long service and a good track record of delivering there's a minimal pay rise due, that's great several years of poor pay rises working hard committing yourself to Tesco for decades just to be treated poorly again and taken advantage off, Length of service and loyalty equals foolish idiot 😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TechSupporter on 09-05-23, 09:27PM
Yes >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-05-23, 12:10AM
Though not in the Retail area of the business, I got a 15.4% pay increase taking my salary to £179k a year, but that was also on the back of exceed performance reviews.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 10-05-23, 12:40AM
If i were on that kinda money damned if i would waste my time coming back to this site for any reason.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Heythere84 on 10-05-23, 07:08AM
Dairy & produce manager now on £31,460
4.25% increase. Been at Tesco 32 years
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jeff123 on 10-05-23, 08:13AM
Quote from: Heythere84 on 10-05-23, 07:08AMDairy & produce manager now on £31,460
4.25% increase. Been at Tesco 32 years

As I said length off service and loyalty being eroded, really makes you feel valued, seen heard and recognised 😂 no point in pushing for decent reviews anymore time to coast
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 10-05-23, 10:14AM
Had mine this morning, got 5.25% for an exceed review! on just over 30k now!
Told SM I'm not impressed or happy about it.

Apparently the feedback from other SM's to the SD is that all managers are very happy with their reviews!
I got up and walked out at that point.
I have spoken to other managers at local stores, they have told their SM's the same as me.
Looks like the SM's are feeding back BS!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Been here too long on 10-05-23, 10:58AM
I had my pay award yesterday over the phone.  Been a night manager over 13 years, always been a MET. 
I got a 4.7% rise this year with a great review.. my other manager collegeue, been signed off less than a year got a 14.55% pay rise! Now on either same or more as me..

Loyalty and performance means nothing in tesco..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Time to go on 10-05-23, 11:21AM
Not had my Payreview yet, but I predicted this would happen during the restructuring and Shift leaders pay was increased.

No doubt my pay review wont reflect the fact I now have triple the amount of staff (probably more than quadruple during seasonal times) and half the shop to run.

Seems being loyal and working hard for almost 20 years and consistantly getting met/ exceeds kicks you right in the nuts one day. That day has come.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Fornton on 10-05-23, 11:43AM
Like previously mentioned, most managers are lucky to even get a review, like most things its pre determined and a farce. There's a good reason why the likes of aldi and lidl will bag most market share in the years ahead, that's because they advertise their jobs as being hardwork, but unlike tesco the discounters pay accordingly 36k plus for a similar if not smaller scale job...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: AsdaBeBetter on 10-05-23, 12:34PM
I didn't even get the chance to fill in the section on My Contribution, just asked to jot some things down on a sheet of paper!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 10-05-23, 12:49PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-05-23, 12:10AMThough not in the Retail area of the business, I got a 15.4% pay increase taking my salary to £179k a year, but that was also on the back of exceed performance reviews.

Dreamer (-*-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 10-05-23, 06:10PM
The problem is the company are still trying to level up TM's pay after years of manipulation.

For all too long you could move to a store 20 minutes up the road and receive a decent bump for doing so!

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 10-05-23, 08:36PM
Agree. Far too many managers changed store every 9-12 months getting a decent bump each time; whilst those who remained in 1 store effectively got penalised.

Long term when departments no longer exist and you purely manage a equal number of colleagues surely it would make sense to pay everyone the same basic wage and adjust the bonus on performance.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BBA on 11-05-23, 11:46AM
Quote from: Morris999 on 10-05-23, 10:14AMHad mine this morning, got 5.25% for an exceed review! on just over 30k now!
Told SM I'm not impressed or happy about it.

Apparently the feedback from other SM's to the SD is that all managers are very happy with their reviews!
I got up and walked out at that point.
I have spoken to other managers at local stores, they have told their SM's the same as me.
Looks like the SM's are feeding back BS!
: how is each one so different.
I got outstanding
My current salary is £30,807, I got 7% pay rise taking me to £32,963.

I was told as a team manager now we can earn upto £42k

However what annoys me is that for three years I didn't get a payrise off the back of  my exceeds as they were called then as I was at the top end of the banding and now at nearly £33k I'm classed by as mid band!
  >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 11-05-23, 12:12PM
Looks to me that team managers are vastly overpaid. £30k - £44k a year for a role that requires zero skills and zero education. You lot are having a laugh.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: coupe_tom on 11-05-23, 12:27PM
I've had my pay review, satisfactory gone from 28700 to 29900 in just over a year I've gone from being nearly 8k above starting to 1200 above starting, now in the low range bracket,never had a miss almost always met with the odd exceeded!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 11-05-23, 12:56PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 11-05-23, 12:12PMLooks to me that team managers are vastly overpaid. £30k - £44k a year for a role that requires zero skills and zero education. You lot are having a laugh.
Funny how 90% of the GAs in our store always say "they never would want the job"

44K won't br achieveable for at least 5 years and 10 i recon as Tesco will limit the max % an exceed can give you going forward to keep the carrot dangling.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-05-23, 02:05PM
£28k a year isn't bad for starter TM salary, definitely a significant improvement from the £22k minimum a few short years ago. It could have been a lot worse for all involved I think.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 11-05-23, 04:03PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 11-05-23, 12:12PMLooks to me that team managers are vastly overpaid. £30k - £44k a year for a role that requires zero skills and zero education. You lot are having a laugh.

Don't even know where to start with that, I'm sure you're just looking for attention.

If it's that easy, why don't you do it?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 11-05-23, 04:22PM
 :thumbup: JJH
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 11-05-23, 04:40PM
Not bad money for sitting in an office doing paperwork .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 11-05-23, 04:57PM
We all like a moan and grumble but Tesco does pay its management team very well. I've been with the company long enough to remember "the good old days", when each department had a manager, a team leader and numerous full-time and part time GAs. Those were the easy days when departments practically ran themselves purely because there was an abundance of staff.

Management has been stripped back so far now that a team manager can be in charge of fresh, produce, bakery and non-food, all these departments with no team leaders and a skeleton GA crew. You'd think that this would mean that managers would actually have to do some work - but no - we have shift leaders now who are doing all the donkey work with the GAs. Management can continue to sit and hide away upstairs in the office and canteen. Pretending to book holidays and do admin work - much of which has actually been simplified or taken away from them completely.

It doesn't matter that a manager is now doing the job that 3 managers used to do. This is how it should have always been. Some stores used to have a manager for each department - a complete waste of money and one reason why the company is in such a mess now trying to save as much money as possible.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Night Owl on 11-05-23, 07:10PM
Having recently left due to redundancy, I am glad I have left. I too remember the good old days, 20 Managers, most with at least 2 team leaders, store now on 3 TM, and 4 shift leads. When there is a late delivery, sick calls etc, there is no way TM will be in the office or canteen. I was regularly working 2+ hours a day extra, supporting my team on the shop floor, I cared for my team & supported as much as I could.
Yes TM wages have deservedly increased, but only 8 years ago as a night manager I was earning over £42K with my Sunday premiums.
To anyone thinking TM job is easy, give it a go. I had over 30 years with T***o and I feel for the TM I left behind.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jeff123 on 11-05-23, 08:51PM
Quote from: BBA on 11-05-23, 11:46AM
Quote from: Morris999 on 10-05-23, 10:14AMHad mine this morning, got 5.25% for an exceed review! on just over 30k now!
Told SM I'm not impressed or happy about it.

Apparently the feedback from other SM's to the SD is that all managers are very happy with their reviews!
I got up and walked out at that point.
I have spoken to other managers at local stores, they have told their SM's the same as me.
Looks like the SM's are feeding back BS!
: how is each one so different.
I got outstanding
My current salary is £30,807, I got 7% pay rise taking me to £32,963.

I was told as a team manager now we can earn upto £42k

However what annoys me is that for three years I didn't get a payrise off the back of  my exceeds as they were called then as I was at the top end of the banding and now at nearly £33k I'm classed by as mid band!
  >:(
Quote from: Morris999 on 10-05-23, 10:14AMHad mine this morning, got 5.25% for an exceed review! on just over 30k now!
Told SM I'm not impressed or happy about it.

Apparently the feedback from other SM's to the SD is that all managers are very happy with their reviews!
I got up and walked out at that point.
I have spoken to other managers at local stores, they have told their SM's the same as me.
Looks like the SM's are feeding back BS!

I never had a review all year was given a poor result based on what? No one to ones no reviews? Is that fair ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 12-05-23, 01:05AM
Thing is its a 2 for 1 for tesco. here is your pay rise (except its not a pay rise as inflation has eroded it.)
Also here is 3x the management workload and responsibiltiy.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mike7679 on 12-05-23, 10:08AM
Is there a bonus paid this year ??
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 12-05-23, 10:26AM
There's a bonus being paid to salaried colleagues, yes - details are on Colleague Help.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 12-05-23, 01:19PM
Bonus and pay raise for managers.

Is it really that tough for managers now? I can't remember the last time a manager opened or closed the store. They have shift leaders now for that. The same shift leaders who are now duty managers in everything but name and pay grade. Holidays will soon be booked and agreed/declined via an app. Never understood the drama about booking holidays anyway as it's only done once a year, it's not a daily task. Store scheduler will be allocating where GAs work for the day. Any sick calls and holidays then shift leaders will be picking up the pieces. I honestly could not say when I last witnessed a manager work stock, fill a shelf or de-card. I suppose it's not their job is it, and I am really unsure what is anymore.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morrissey1912 on 12-05-23, 04:50PM
No bonus for ordinary colleagues
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 12-05-23, 04:54PM
No we're just the skivies they are rinsing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 12-05-23, 08:06PM
But you "skivies" have had multiple pay rises over the past few years which aren't linked to your precieved performance.....
And apparently when asked staff preferred a higher weekly wage than a one off bonus.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 12-05-23, 08:19PM
GA pay increases barely keeping up with inflation. Primark are paying £11 an hour. Tesco competitors lead the way with increases and Tesco now pay the bare minimum they can get away with.

I suspect the reason so many GAs choose to stay at Tesco is because it is convenient. Frankly for old-timer GAs we have sussed that it's easier than it's ever been for us, we have been shafted year after year so simply don't put the effort in anymore. Do the bare minimum, clock out and go home. Team support, shift leaders and managers are all on good money now, they also wanted the progression so leave them to crack on.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 13-05-23, 12:43AM
When were staff even asked about pay rise over bonus ????   And Tesco the the aparent best in how it treats and looks after it's staff when now we are the worst paid yet again and obvious managers on here complaining about ga pay rises is a tad pathetic when by law  and Tesco trying to show face with there competitors is the only reason we hit 11£ a hour is that the colleagues fault not at all ... but let's all feel sorry for managers for earning several thousand pound more a year than the lowly colleagues for now doing less work than ever before because the overwhelming majority is now done by shift leaders laughable oh but don't worry managers getting a decent enough pay rise and bonus this year when some managers bonus in one go than a colleagues aparent years worth pay rise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 13-05-23, 07:58AM
I have zero sympathy for the situation some managers now find themselves in. They had it good for a long long time. I spent years working nights, we were the unsung heroes, the team who worked their backside off all night every night to deliver the store. We'd do all the grocery delivery, H&B & GM delivery and then team fill the fresh and produce delivery when it arrived at 5am. PI would do all batch 1 and batch 2 labels. Day staff had nothing to do apart from odd bits of back stock and reductions - and this was at a time when staff levels were at their highest - including a manager for each and every department.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Davethebave on 13-05-23, 12:56PM
I would have gladly gave up my yearly bonus (not guaranteed) and my performance based pay rise (not guaranteed) for the guaranteed % pay rise that GAs get.

This shouldn't be a manger vs GA, who does more or less etc. This is about tesco not paying anyone what they deserve
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 13-05-23, 01:47PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 12-05-23, 08:06PMBut you "skivvies" have had multiple pay rises over the past few years which aren't linked to your perceived performance.....
And apparently when asked staff preferred a higher weekly wage than a one off bonus.
But us skivvies are only just paid around what the law dictates, no special rates here.
The management teams were fully aware of the performance related pay when they took on the job, and this determination of if you have met or exceeded the grade has been around a long time.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 13-05-23, 04:35PM
Why are people saying that GA's have had such amazing pay increases? We are 60p above minimum wage...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 13-05-23, 04:48PM
No bonus and a lower rate for Sunday premiums. USDAW continue to sell us down the river
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 13-05-23, 07:42PM
Usdaw haven't had a single penny from me for several years and never will do either. They are an absolute joke of a union
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Been here too long on 13-05-23, 10:21PM
Quote from: 1989Miller on 10-05-23, 10:58AMI had my pay award yesterday over the phone.  Been a night manager over 13 years, always been a MET. 
I got a 4.7% rise this year with a great performance

Loyalty and performance means nothing in tesco..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: dilligaf on 13-05-23, 11:25PM
Can I just say, everyone hating the pay rises, shop floor or manager level, there are lots of jobs  out there (maybe more than ever) why are you all still working here???
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 14-05-23, 02:51PM
I guess its fear that stops people leaving, I looked around at jobs back in 2016 but just did not have the bottle to step out of retail and what I had known since leaving school, then after the first wave of covid began to subside I though you know what life is far to short to be stuck in a job I no longer like, started looking around in August 2020 and within a week found a new job, had one interview via zoom, a second in person and that was it, worked my weeks notice and never looked back.

Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 14-05-23, 04:04PM
Over the years I have noticed a few members on here that no longer work at Tesco but still post on this website.

What makes you come back and check in on here? I'm just curious
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 14-05-23, 08:58PM
I suspect they never actually left and jsut make up they are on 200k a year instead of £10.20 an hour as the worlds best store assistants
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 14-05-23, 09:45PM
Therapy probably good to talk and share experiences about this s*** show.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 14-05-23, 09:46PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 14-05-23, 04:04PMOver the years I have noticed a few members on here that no longer work at Tesco but still post on this website.

What makes you come back and check in on here? I'm just curious

Got family who still work for Tesco but aint very good on tech and computers so keep an eye on various topics on here for them, that and I also know a couple of people I worked with who use the site but use made up names to protect there privacy and like to see how there getting along.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 24-05-23, 01:18PM
Lidl just announced a payrise up to £12.30 an hour (days ) outside M25
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 24-05-23, 02:05PM
Lidl's new pay announcement: increase to £11.40 from £11.00, rising to £12.30 with length of service.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 24-05-23, 03:11PM
From September
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 24-05-23, 03:21PM
Between us all, we might have got all the details in there... maybe  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 24-05-23, 03:50PM
Whatever the details are it still puts them and Aldi another step ahead of us. We'll  soon be the lowest paying again as can't see us matching it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 28-06-23, 10:21AM
'We are most competitive we have ever been' (https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/06/27/tesco-supermarket-profiteering/)
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QuoteHe said that Tesco's margin has sat between 3% and 4% over the past four or five years with profit year-on-year down, while the retailer lifted wages by 15% over the past year.
Hands up all those who got 15% ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 28-06-23, 10:34AM
15%  :o
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 28-06-23, 03:47PM
Quote from: Nomad on 28-06-23, 10:21AM'We are most competitive we have ever been' (https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/06/27/tesco-supermarket-profiteering/)
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QuoteHe said that Tesco's margin has sat between 3% and 4% over the past four or five years with profit year-on-year down, while the retailer lifted wages by 15% over the past year.
Hands up all those who got 15% ?
Every CA and Team support who are not contracted to Sundays got 15% over the year.
Shift leaders I believe got over 17%.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 28-06-23, 05:00PM
I'm fortunate to get an above inflation increase, what grinds my gears is lauding 15% as exceptional or competitive when the vast majority of this increase is legally and socioeconomically mandated, the national living wage went up 9.7%, inflation running at over 10% for the past 2 years and not to mention the competition have also raised their wage floor by similar amounts.

The pay increases could have been a lot worse, but to say they did this as an investor in people and to be competitive is a half truth at best, if they didn't, it would be recruitment and PR suicide.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 28-06-23, 07:41PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 28-06-23, 03:47PM
Quote from: Nomad on 28-06-23, 10:21AM'We are most competitive we have ever been' (https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/06/27/tesco-supermarket-profiteering/)
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QuoteHe said that Tesco's margin has sat between 3% and 4% over the past four or five years with profit year-on-year down, while the retailer lifted wages by 15% over the past year.
Hands up all those who got 15% ?
Every CA and Team support who are not contracted to Sundays got 15% over the year.
Shift leaders I believe got over 17%.
spot the comment of a manager complaining here did anyone force you to take you're salary paid job no you chose to do it but what's even more funny that there are managers like you're self moaning when you just had a tidy little bonus what was more than a lot of people's pay rise spread out over said year
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 29-06-23, 07:14PM
Just to put a bit of context into this - whilst strictly speaking the 15% pay increase is true, the timing of said increases mean that it doesn't feel like 15%.

So in terms of base wage for B/C grade, we went to £9.55 in Sept 2021.

We stayed on £9.55 until July 2022 - with an increase to £10.10 (5.7%)
The next increase came in Nov 2022 - 20p (1.9%) to £10.30
And then the latest increase to £11.02 in April 2023.

So indeed, in April 2022, we were on £9.55 and now we're on £11.02 - a 15% increase.

However, as others have said, the bulk/entirety of the increase has been regulatory.

In fact, if you take things back to Sept 2021, the increase has still only been 15% - that's over a period of 21 months - so the "annualised" pay increase would only be around 9%.

In Sept 2021, the NLW was £8.91 and now it's £10.42 (an increase of 17%). Our pay was 64p above NLW in Sept 2021 and now we're 60p above. Again the % above NLW is falling all the time.

I haven't seen any recent data, but I fully expect the NLW to go above £11.02 next April - so Tesco will again be "forced" to increase our pay - and once again one of the managers will ensure that it is communicated in as positive a way as possible.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 30-06-23, 12:52AM
Excellent post barafear :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 09-07-23, 11:32AM
I just have a quick question...I am a Sunday only worker. I work one full shift on a Sunday and that's it. I was never briefed about the changes to pay and premium - in fact I was told it is my responsibility to keep myself up to date on changes to the business. I wasn't aware there had been any change to pay until just before the May pay. I have since learned that for being a Sunday only worker I should have received a pay out for the reduction of Sunday premium, however I never did. Everything I have read on colleague help (4 different documents all stating the exact same thing) that I should have received a lump sum buy out of "3% of previous hourly rate including Sunday premiums over 52 weeks." I haven't received this. I have raised a pay query about it and I keep getting told I am not entitled to it as it was only for colleagues who completely lost their Sunday premiums. Can anyone clarify this for me?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 09-07-23, 11:48AM
Hi. As I understand it, the payout was only for those who lost their Sunday shift completely - for instance when the hot delis closed - and were not able to be re-assigned another Sunday shift in another dept. My Sunday in the Deli was a core day and I was re-assigned to the shop floor with Sundays still one of my core days. I didn't lose any hours and I still retain the premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 09-07-23, 11:58AM
Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).   Admin.

The exact wording from the brief states:

Sunday premiums will be reduced from 25% to 17% for colleagues who receive these and joined Tesco before 24 July 2022.

Hourly rate plus Sunday premium will be protected at £12.89 per hour for contracted and overtime Sunday hours, for all colleagues who are eligible for Sunday premium (i.e. those who joined Tesco before 24 July 2022).

If a colleague is only contracted to work exclusively on a Sunday, they will receive a lump sum payment in their 28 April pay that is equivalent to 3% of their previous hourly rate plus Sunday premium over 52 weeks

This reads completely differently
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 09-07-23, 04:05PM
I didn't need to read the brief. I knew the premium was being reduced and my SM followed Tesco protocol regarding my change of dept.

"This reads completely differently" to what?

When did you join Tesco?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 12:12AM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 09-07-23, 04:05PMI didn't need to read the brief. I knew the premium was being reduced and my SM followed Tesco protocol regarding my change of dept.

"This reads completely differently" to what?

When did you join Tesco?
The brief reads differently to what you have said, but my interpretation of your previous comment is that you are not a sunday only worker? I feel the way its been handled in my store has been pretty appalling. Being told it's my own responsibility to find out changes to pay? That can't be right?
I joined in 2012
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 05:17AM
I'm not a Sunday only colleague. Changes in pay were plastered all over the notice boards in my store, around the staff room and on the tables  They were much discussed in various posts on here and any 'rumours' of changes were followed up. It was not impossible to be kept informed.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 06:24AM
Again, I understood the payout was for those who were only contracted on a Sunday and who had lost the shift they were contracted to, not to those who were Sunday contracted and who retained their original shift.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: dairyfresh on 10-07-23, 08:42AM
Payout as said was only to those whose contracted hours were on a Sunday only.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 02:10PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 05:17AMI'm not a Sunday only colleague. Changes in pay were plastered all over the notice boards in my store, around the staff room and on the tables  They were much discussed in various posts on here and any 'rumours' of changes were followed up. It was not impossible to be kept informed.
I suffer with some pretty severe anxiety, not that I have to explain myself to you, and a result I do not use our staff facilities. I don't enter our colleague room, and most of our stores communication gets posted in our stores Facebook page. I don't have Facebook and should not be discriminated against for that decision. Also, under law, if any aspect of someone's pay or contract is being changed - it is a legal requirement to brief affected colleagues. I only just joined this forum yesterday to ask this question because I was not aware it existed - a colleague told me about it. Please get off your high horse.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 02:11PM
My point was that the official briefs, in plain black and white, just state that colleagues contracted only to a Sunday would receive the lump sum
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 02:47PM
Quote from: MillieMoo92 on 10-07-23, 02:10PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 05:17AMI'm not a Sunday only colleague. Changes in pay were plastered all over the notice boards in my store, around the staff room and on the tables  They were much discussed in various posts on here and any 'rumours' of changes were followed up. It was not impossible to be kept informed.
I suffer with some pretty severe anxiety, not that I have to explain myself to you, and a result I do not use our staff facilities. I don't enter our colleague room, and most of our stores communication gets posted in our stores Facebook page. I don't have Facebook and should not be discriminated against for that decision. Also, under law, if any aspect of someone's pay or contract is being changed - it is a legal requirement to brief affected colleagues. I only just joined this forum yesterday to ask this question because I was not aware it existed - a colleague told me about it. Please get off your high horse.
No high horse - just stating facts in my store and from my own use of the internet. I don't use the staffroom but I do have to clock on next to the notice boards.
I was not enquiring about your habits or your health.
Perhaps you should put in a grievance against whoever told you that it was your responsibility to keep yourself up to date with changes in the business and take it from there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 10-07-23, 04:15PM
Quote from: MillieMoo92 on 10-07-23, 02:11PMMy point was that the official briefs, in plain black and white, just state that colleagues contracted only to a Sunday would receive the lump sum
The obvious question would be "Are you sure that you didn't receive said lump sum in your April 28 Pay slip"? Only a suggestion because the pay slips can be a bit confusing at the best of times.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 07:17PM
100% sure, I only work my 4 Sundays each pay period, and I've had no time off, so my pay has been the same each pay day
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 07:19PM
I have asked for them to explain it to me, and was told that they do not understand it either but it is what it is
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MillieMoo on 10-07-23, 07:35PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 02:47PM
Quote from: MillieMoo92 on 10-07-23, 02:10PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 10-07-23, 05:17AMI'm not a Sunday only colleague. Changes in pay were plastered all over the notice boards in my store, around the staff room and on the tables  They were much discussed in various posts on here and any 'rumours' of changes were followed up. It was not impossible to be kept informed.
I suffer with some pretty severe anxiety, not that I have to explain myself to you, and a result I do not use our staff facilities. I don't enter our colleague room, and most of our stores communication gets posted in our stores Facebook page. I don't have Facebook and should not be discriminated against for that decision. Also, under law, if any aspect of someone's pay or contract is being changed - it is a legal requirement to brief affected colleagues. I only just joined this forum yesterday to ask this question because I was not aware it existed - a colleague told me about it. Please get off your high horse.
No high horse - just stating facts in my store and from my own use of the internet. I don't use the staffroom but I do have to clock on next to the notice boards.
I was not enquiring about your habits or your health.
Perhaps you should put in a grievance against whoever told you that it was your responsibility to keep yourself up to date with changes in the business and take it from there.
That is fair enough, but having worked in numerous different stores, no two stores are ever the same, and what about those who are not confident with technology or using the internet, because I've worked with colleagues who aren't. I don't necessarily think it's incorrect telling us it is our responsibility to find out changes, however when it comes to an important aspect such as making changes to pay or contracts, my knowledge, understanding and experience of the law and legislation tells me that changing either of these without consulting the colleague(s) affected is illegal. I also feel that when I'm working in what feels like a forgotten department, that gets no team 5 communication, no department news given to us, and an availability board that has not been updated in 33 weeks, it's not fair on us working there to tell us that it is our job to find things out when we don't even het the basic information. I've raised the latter with my line and store manager just last week, and this week we had a weekly news at least pinned to our wall, but it wasn't even for our department.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-07-23, 11:39AM
Nobody should be working Saturday's or Sunday's without extra pay in my opinion, I've standard outside of Retail is Weekend overtime work is paid out at time and a half, double time on Bank Holidays.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mr Tom on 11-07-23, 03:53PM
I'm in agreement with you but unfortunately USDAW our union seem to have a different opinion on this matter.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-07-23, 08:46PM
USDAW do the bare minimum, far better unions out there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 12-07-23, 09:21AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 11-07-23, 11:39AMNobody should be working Saturday's or Sunday's without extra pay in my opinion, I've standard outside of Retail is Weekend overtime work is paid out at time and a half, double time on Bank Holidays.
we used to get Saturday premium and double time on Sundays but the union shafted us.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 12-07-23, 05:38PM
No - Tesco shafted you !!! :'(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 12-07-23, 06:04PM
No, previous generations shafted you by agreeing to the collective bargaining agreement that gave away individual voting rights away to the union & the pay forum. Contrast this with distribution where the union members get to vote on pay deals etc. - the "5 Book" depots have recently voted to reject a pay offer that would probably have been waved through in stores.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 12-07-23, 07:03PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: The turning worm on 12-07-23, 08:50PM
The idea of the vast majority of members not having a right to vote on issues that affect their working terms and conditions is a reflection of the union you are subscribed to. The only way to stop this is to stop contributing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 13-07-23, 03:11PM
USDAW = Fake Union (Don't waste your money on them)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mr Tom on 13-07-23, 04:13PM
Quote from: FarmerFred on 12-07-23, 06:04PMNo, previous generations shafted you by agreeing to the collective bargaining agreement that gave away individual voting rights away to the union & the pay forum. Contrast this with distribution where the union members get to vote on pay deals etc. - the "5 Book" depots have recently voted to reject a pay offer that would probably have been waved through in stores.
The collective bargaining agreement was voted on some twenty years ago, many of the people who voted in that ballot no longer work for Tesco, many of those who voted for it may now have changed their mind and be of the opinion that it is no longer fit for purpose, those who have been employed since then have had absolutely no voice in the matter. Is it not time for a vote to be held to confirm weather or not the employees want this arrangement to continue or to reject it and return to one member one vote, and going forward holding a vote every five years or so.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 13-07-23, 05:52PM
The bargaining agreement does get reviewed periodically & was updated last year I believe, but without a vote from the membership. It's down to the members to make their feelings known to the union & if enough folk do so the union is duty bound to take things further. The reality is that the membership is largely apathetic and unlikely to take a stand. This is in contrast to the Distribution Centre membership, where both the reps and the membership tend to be more engaged in the issues. Go into a DC & there's reps in every department who will back their members to the extent that in some cases as soon as you ask for a rep to be present the case gets dropped or they just go through the motions!
Quote from: Teddybonkers on 13-07-23, 03:11PMUSDAW = Fake Union (Don't waste your money on them)
I used to think that until I saw how well they do at the DCs. USDAW are generally a strong union - they even advised rejection of the DC pay deal on the basis that it was unfair for a minority of members, but in terms of in store they are weak because they don't have much bargaining power due to the relatively low skill nature of the business & the way the bargaining agreement works as well as the aforementioned apathy. If you want change then you have to be in the union and you have to engage rather than bitching from the sidelines and expect someone else to do it for you!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: The turning worm on 14-07-23, 12:22PM
Don't get caught up thinking that Distribution unions are so great.  People doing the same job are being paid different rates.  This is called demarcation but the mighty USDAW accepted this and now old contract staff are being offered less of a pay rise to compensate for Tesco having to equalise pay.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 14-07-23, 04:05PM
Investigations are ongoing in another supermarket chain regarding demarcation and pay rates.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 14-07-23, 06:20PM
Quote from: The turning worm on 14-07-23, 12:22PMDon't get caught up thinking that Distribution unions are so great.  People doing the same job are being paid different rates.  This is called demarcation but the mighty USDAW accepted this and now old contract staff are being offered less of a pay rise to compensate for Tesco having to equalise pay.
The differing pay rates is because the terms of the new & old contracts are different & the older type contracts have better terms than the newer. USDAW didn't accept this - it was the members of the union that chose to do so, something that store staff don't get to do. USDAW did negotiate to allow people to choose to retain the terms of the old contracts rather than the blanket switch over to the new that Tesco wanted.

The lower pay rise offer is part of an attempt by Tesco to pressure people into going over to the newer contract & the advice from the union was not to accept, again not a choice that is given to store staff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 19-07-23, 07:07PM
Anyone got any guesses as to when the next pay review might be. Not sure where we now sit against the other major supermarkets but Aldi & Lidl will be paying around £11.40 I believe
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 19-07-23, 07:46PM
A pattern I've seen recently is that the supermarkets seem to match or insignificantly go over whatever the real living wage is set at in October, currently the rate is set at £11 an hour, Tesco matches it. I'm guessing the real living wage, based on inflation for the past year will go up to about £11.80-£12 an hour, I reckon Tesco will follow suit.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happy Days on 20-07-23, 06:46PM
I think your absolutely right.  Where I work it's every voice matters. The management is pushing for a good result. They are saying don't look at the pay rate. Think about all the extras. What extras they had have all been taken away.  So it's important that you fill out the every voice matters and put how you feel.  I would put a link in on this post but I don't know how to do it, I am not technically savvy.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 21-07-23, 01:06PM
Nothing changes does it, we used to get the don't think only about the wages as the benefits are worth another £1.50 per hour (one wonders how that figure was come up with) when filling in every voice matters, or viewpoint as it was once known. although it all seemed a bit pointless as every time we had all these fancy action plans drawn up based on the results did any of it ever happen, nope not a thing and 2 weeks later said plans would be taken down and chucked in the bin.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 22-07-23, 12:47PM
Does anyone know when the next pay review is anyway? Im skint 😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 22-07-23, 01:44PM
This is a minimum wage job - you're always gonna be skint. And don't think the next pay review is gonna change anything. Get a skill, trade or further education - that's the only way to improve your prospects mate :)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 22-07-23, 02:43PM
Teddybonkers correct, if you want to get ahead get a skill.  Every time I try to get a tradesperson I hear "I'm booked up for the next few months", they don't have pay reviews they virtually name their own price.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-07-23, 07:48PM
Yep, getting a relevent skill is the way to go.

Quite frankly as long as Tesco pays a real living wage for their CAs there's nothing for people to moan about in that regard really. Expectations should be managed in how much they should expect to receive in such a role. Tesco is par the course for supermarket retailers in this regard.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 23-07-23, 12:33PM
Were not talking 100-150 thousand a year but even with a fairly 'moderate' skill set 50-60 thousand a year is not unattainable.  Just don't expect it to be given to you, you have to put yourself out, learn it then earn it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 24-07-23, 07:18AM
Get a Class 1 HGV licence and the world is your lobster - average pay is ~£35k for Class 1, but can be much higher depending on the type of work & hours. Main problem is getting the licence (~£3k if self funded) and a year or twos experience, best bet here is to look for firms advertising that they'll train you up - there's often a payback clause to stop you from getting the licence and jumping ship, but that year's experience is invaluable. I don't know if it's still running, but Tesco have operated apprenticeships near certain depots for driving where you get full pay whilst training etc. and a near guaranteed job at the end if you don't fail.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nomad on 24-07-23, 10:43AM
Failing all else use what you were born with and get voted in as an MP  ;D  (-*-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 25-08-23, 01:26PM
Just seen a poster at my local Aldi store. Not London.

Store Cleaners £11.30 per hour

Store Assistants £12.06 rising to £13.02 in year 4

Deputy Store Manager (Shift Leader)
£13.33 rising to £14.29 in year 4 PLUS an additional £4 per hour whilst running the store.

Tesco is a disgrace
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 25-08-23, 08:41PM
As much as the aldi expectations have severly died down from the earlier years 90% of Tesco staff couldn't hack Aldi or Lidl.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 26-08-23, 08:36AM
I think 90% is being generous  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 26-08-23, 09:34AM
Quote from: madness on 25-08-23, 08:41PMAs much as the aldi expectations have severly died down from the earlier years 90% of Tesco staff couldn't hack Aldi or Lidl.
I quite agree, we had a couple who went to a new Aldi a few years ago. Made a big song and dance about how amazing it was going to be getting paid more than at Tesco for and I quote "the same job like it is in every supermarket" less than a month later they were begging to come back and both had left Aldi within six months.

The other thing with Aldi is performance management is a much quicker process and more often used than at Tesco, if your not hitting targets you can be out in four weeks, and its no idle threat, plenty of stories online and social media about people who have been shown the door at Aldi for not hitting target.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 26-08-23, 12:20PM
I agree it is far better to have a skill which can increase your pay.If you go to college or university you can make much more money than from Tesco unless you want to try to become a manager.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-08-23, 04:04PM
Quote from: madness on 25-08-23, 08:41PMAs much as the aldi expectations have severly died down from the earlier years 90% of Tesco staff couldn't hack Aldi or Lidl.
I think this was back when they offered significantly more back then in relation to what the big 4 pay, not sure how much more realistic the expectations are there now, but there's not a lot in it these days for the average Joe to take c**p for £1 extra an hour compared to a standard day at your normal supermarket.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 26-08-23, 07:52PM
I frequent several local Aldi & Lidl stores & mostly see the same faces with a lesser number of others who come & go. That suggests that working there can't be that bad. The overall work pace does seem higher than at the big 4, but I do still see staff occasionally idling around having a gossip - although not to the extent seen at Tesco.

The one thing that does stand out is that you don't tend to see many staff older than mid 50s - I wonder if ambulance chasers Leigh Day will soon be gearing up for another discrimination case?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 27-08-23, 03:17PM
Just wondering with all this constant for little gain restructuring they would realise staff can only take so much and will naturally put the brakes on themselves.Nobody is paid to go above and beyond,they've devalued roles,lied about how long jobs take and generally have made it a miserable place to work.Work to your pay grade your only hours to them anyway.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 29-08-23, 12:10PM
Completely agree @ King1999.

Absolutely no incentive whatsoever these days to go above and beyond - you do what's asked of you then the SM/SD decides they are still in 1998 and want the store to be ran a certain way even though HO have 'simplified' that task/removed the hours and wonder why no one listens/acts on it  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 29-08-23, 02:51PM
Had quiet a few counts left to do today,my manager wanted me to help her put out new lines,no problem wasn't even asked what I had on that's the level of interest I get now so went home still said amount of counts to do.I've worked for the company for a long time I've never seen this level of apathy I've got to say.Future proof my backside this is a slippery slope the place is a shambolic joke.I'm guessing they think I should be managing myself nope I've still got a manager whose not interested,lead by example pathetic.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: taliahad on 26-09-23, 11:43AM
Hello

Does anyone know why One Stop staff are paid less than Tesco staff?  it's the same company after all so why are one stop staff less valued than their Tesco Colleagues. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-09-23, 07:26PM
One Stop operates on the franchise model so is privately individually owned and partially funded by private owners, similar to arrangements in fast food restaurants ike McDonalds. The franchise owners don't typically have the deep pockets Tesco does as a company, so to operate in a viable manner the wage is lower.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 27-09-23, 09:39AM
When do we all think the next pay review will take place and likely outcome??
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: eversor on 27-09-23, 01:15PM
Pay review is scheduled for January time, but won't take effect until Aprilish. No idea what it'll likely be
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-09-23, 03:15PM
Due to high inflation in the current year along with near record pay rises It's reasonable to expect the National Living Wage to go up by around 6% in April, the real living wage will update at the end of October, taking into account current core inflation being higher than overall inflation, I expect the real living wage will go up to £11.70 an hour outside of London and £12.85 inside of London, an increase of 80p and 90p in nominal terms or an increase of around 7%.

The national living wage increase won't be quite that high as they'll have to consider current interest rate impacts on businesses, but realistically 5-6% is probable, taking the new living wage to around between £11-£11.10 an hour or so next April.

Assuming Tesco maintains it's differential with the minimum wage, I reckon £11.60-£11.70, will be the new wage.

My last prediction at £11-£11.10 was pretty much on the nose, it is speculation at the end of the day, but all the factors considered makes my prediction more an educated guess rather than completely unfounded.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 30-09-23, 09:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-09-23, 03:15PMDue to high inflation in the current year along with near record pay rises It's reasonable to expect the National Living Wage to go up by around 6% in April, the real living wage will update at the end of October, taking into account current core inflation being higher than overall inflation, I expect the real living wage will go up to £11.70 an hour outside of London and £12.85 inside of London, an increase of 80p and 90p in nominal terms or an increase of around 7%.

The national living wage increase won't be quite that high as they'll have to consider current interest rate impacts on businesses, but realistically 5-6% is probable, taking the new living wage to around between £11-£11.10 an hour or so next April.

Assuming Tesco maintains it's differential with the minimum wage, I reckon £11.60-£11.70, will be the new wage.

My last prediction at £11-£11.10 was pretty much on the nose, it is speculation at the end of the day, but all the factors considered makes my prediction more an educated guess rather than completely unfounded.
As with wage increase we expect cuts to jobs.I predict they will cut premiums like Sunday bank holidays etc. I also predict job cuts in terms of nights and some stores closing down. As a person who makes 14.30 an hour and 16 pound an hour on saturdsy night shif in london express store I dont see them increasing it by much maybe 2 pay increase the first by extra 40p an hour and second by 60p an hour later in the year.You have to remember Tesco has lost 1 billion in profit last year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 30-09-23, 09:36AM
Today's doom and gloom forecast ^^^  ;)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jonty on 30-09-23, 10:25AM
Mystic Bob has spoken  8-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 30-09-23, 11:01AM
Bob without sounding harsh needs to get a grip, turning every last post into a debate on his express losing nights because he is on £14 something an hour, without wanting to sound disrespectful its not some massive amount even if you times that by all the night fill express staff left and there are not that many, its becoming a broken record now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 30-09-23, 01:24PM
He's not wrong though, they needed to save £5 billion, where do thry save it? Staff mainly... Night and Sunday premiums definitely won't be around much longer at all, it will be more flat rate, I do think with the putting everything together in aisles that makes it far easier to fill etc will be a reason they use as to go

 "we understand the need for basic pay, therefore we are  increasing the basic pay of all colleagues, and removing the night premium and Sunday premium rate as this is something we want to be more ewyal across the board, in doing so colleagues affected (not many) will get a lump sum.."

Thryll just make it so it's just over, like previously with a penny per hour better off... So yeah better basic but in actuality fir nights, probably same pay / few pence more in the move to cut it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 30-09-23, 01:32PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 30-09-23, 09:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-09-23, 03:15PMDue to high inflation in the current year along with near record pay rises It's reasonable to expect the National Living Wage to go up by around 6% in April, the real living wage will update at the end of October, taking into account current core inflation being higher than overall inflation, I expect the real living wage will go up to £11.70 an hour outside of London and £12.85 inside of London, an increase of 80p and 90p in nominal terms or an increase of around 7%.

The national living wage increase won't be quite that high as they'll have to consider current interest rate impacts on businesses, but realistically 5-6% is probable, taking the new living wage to around between £11-£11.10 an hour or so next April.

Assuming Tesco maintains it's differential with the minimum wage, I reckon £11.60-£11.70, will be the new wage.

My last prediction at £11-£11.10 was pretty much on the nose, it is speculation at the end of the day, but all the factors considered makes my prediction more an educated guess rather than completely unfounded.
As with wage increase we expect cuts to jobs.I predict they will cut premiums like Sunday bank holidays etc. I also predict job cuts in terms of nights and some stores closing down. As a person who makes 14.30 an hour and 16 pound an hour on saturdsy night shif in london express store I dont see them increasing it by much maybe 2 pay increase the first by extra 40p an hour and second by 60p an hour later in the year.You have to remember Tesco has lost 1 billion in profit last year.
They didn't lose £1 billion, their pre tax profit was down to £1 billion. 

Inflation pressures, the national living wage and competition will ultimately factor in what Tescos next pay review figure will be, the current state of play is that Lidl and Aldi are the highest payers, Lidl starting rate being at £11.40 an hour and £12.30 an hour after length of service milestones have been achieved and Aldi similarly but starting at £11 an hour.

Morrison's are the lowest paid supermarket at the national living wage of £10.42 an hour but their pay review is in October and likely to at least match Lidl's £11.40 an hour, Sainsbury's and Asda will have theirs around January and are likely to at least £11.50 an hour, Tesco is therefore unlikely to pay any less.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 01-10-23, 02:04PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 30-09-23, 01:24PMHe's not wrong though, they needed to save £5 billion, where do thry save it? Staff mainly... Night and Sunday premiums definitely won't be around much longer at all, it will be more flat rate, I do think with the putting everything together in aisles that makes it far easier to fill etc will be a reason they use as to go

 "we understand the need for basic pay, therefore we are  increasing the basic pay of all colleagues, and removing the night premium and Sunday premium rate as this is something we want to be more ewyal across the board, in doing so colleagues affected (not many) will get a lump sum.."

Thryll just make it so it's just over, like previously with a penny per hour better off... So yeah better basic but in actuality fir nights, probably same pay / few pence more in the move to cut it.
Correct he doesnt read the reports of tesco profits. Tesco this year has lost 1 billion I profits compared to last year.considering customers are spending less stores are more quiet it is only a matter of time when they remove nights from the final express stores.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 01-10-23, 02:14PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 30-09-23, 01:32PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 30-09-23, 09:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-09-23, 03:15PMDue to high inflation in the current year along with near record pay rises It's reasonable to expect the National Living Wage to go up by around 6% in April, the real living wage will update at the end of October, taking into account current core inflation being higher than overall inflation, I expect the real living wage will go up to £11.70 an hour outside of London and £12.85 inside of London, an increase of 80p and 90p in nominal terms or an increase of around 7%.

The national living wage increase won't be quite that high as they'll have to consider current interest rate impacts on businesses, but realistically 5-6% is probable, taking the new living wage to around between £11-£11.10 an hour or so next April.

Assuming Tesco maintains it's differential with the minimum wage, I reckon £11.60-£11.70, will be the new wage.

My last prediction at £11-£11.10 was pretty much on the nose, it is speculation at the end of the day, but all the factors considered makes my prediction more an educated guess rather than completely unfounded.
As with wage increase we expect cuts to jobs.I predict they will cut premiums like Sunday bank holidays etc. I also predict job cuts in terms of nights and some stores closing down. As a person who makes 14.30 an hour and 16 pound an hour on saturdsy night shif in london express store I dont see them increasing it by much maybe 2 pay increase the first by extra 40p an hour and second by 60p an hour later in the year.You have to remember Tesco has lost 1 billion in profit last year.
They didn't lose £1 billion, their pre tax profit was down to £1 billion. 

Inflation pressures, the national living wage and competition will ultimately factor in what Tescos next pay review figure will be, the current state of play is that Lidl and Aldi are the highest payers, Lidl starting rate being at £11.40 an hour and £12.30 an hour after length of service milestones have been achieved and Aldi similarly but starting at £11 an hour.

Morrison's are the lowest paid supermarket at the national living wage of £10.42 an hour but their pay review is in October and likely to at least match Lidl's £11.40 an hour, Sainsbury's and Asda will have theirs around January and are likely to at least £11.50 an hour, Tesco is therefore unlikely to pay any less.
If tesco pay 11.50 an hour they will cut something in return either remove more nights close some phone shops close more pharmacy  reduce premiums. Yes as I said tesco made far less money this year. 1 billion pound less irrelevant of the reason. Also you have to remember that tesco stated they plan on saving 1 billion in three years. Which also adds to my reasoning they will cut nights to the last express stores
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 01-10-23, 05:55PM
@bobmay i think what theyre saying is as base rate increases,night premium will erode,then you wouldnt need to remove nights as they,l be on same rate virtually,plus you have no clue how much tesco has saved with management restructures,stock control etc,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Paulie on 01-10-23, 06:53PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 01-10-23, 02:14PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 30-09-23, 01:32PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 30-09-23, 09:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-09-23, 03:15PMDue to high inflation in the current year along with near record pay rises It's reasonable to expect the National Living Wage to go up by around 6% in April, the real living wage will update at the end of October, taking into account current core inflation being higher than overall inflation, I expect the real living wage will go up to £11.70 an hour outside of London and £12.85 inside of London, an increase of 80p and 90p in nominal terms or an increase of around 7%.

The national living wage increase won't be quite that high as they'll have to consider current interest rate impacts on businesses, but realistically 5-6% is probable, taking the new living wage to around between £11-£11.10 an hour or so next April.

Assuming Tesco maintains it's differential with the minimum wage, I reckon £11.60-£11.70, will be the new wage.

My last prediction at £11-£11.10 was pretty much on the nose, it is speculation at the end of the day, but all the factors considered makes my prediction more an educated guess rather than completely unfounded.
As with wage increase we expect cuts to jobs.I predict they will cut premiums like Sunday bank holidays etc. I also predict job cuts in terms of nights and some stores closing down. As a person who makes 14.30 an hour and 16 pound an hour on saturdsy night shif in london express store I dont see them increasing it by much maybe 2 pay increase the first by extra 40p an hour and second by 60p an hour later in the year.You have to remember Tesco has lost 1 billion in profit last year.
They didn't lose £1 billion, their pre tax profit was down to £1 billion. 

Inflation pressures, the national living wage and competition will ultimately factor in what Tescos next pay review figure will be, the current state of play is that Lidl and Aldi are the highest payers, Lidl starting rate being at £11.40 an hour and £12.30 an hour after length of service milestones have been achieved and Aldi similarly but starting at £11 an hour.

Morrison's are the lowest paid supermarket at the national living wage of £10.42 an hour but their pay review is in October and likely to at least match Lidl's £11.40 an hour, Sainsbury's and Asda will have theirs around January and are likely to at least £11.50 an hour, Tesco is therefore unlikely to pay any less.
If tesco pay 11.50 an hour they will cut something in return either remove more nights close some phone shops close more pharmacy  reduce premiums. Yes as I said tesco made far less money this year. 1 billion pound less irrelevant of the reason. Also you have to remember that tesco stated they plan on saving 1 billion in three years. Which also adds to my reasoning they will cut nights to the last express stores
No point speculating now until next Feb/March, enjoy xmas. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-10-23, 07:53AM
Jeremy Hunt announced today that he is waiting for recommendations from the low pay commission as to what the next national living wage will be but that it will be at least £11 an hour from next April which is what I predicted earlier.

If Tesco maintains its differential with mini bobs then £11.50-£11.70 seems likely.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 02-10-23, 09:22AM
If night premium is eroded as base rate rises then nights will end itself as there will be no staff prepared to work nights for the same money. It's hard enough to attract night workers now never mind attracting them on lower premiums.
I don't see anything happening for at least another 5 months now so not much point speculating now. What will be will be but until we are told officially everything should be considered a rumour.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-10-23, 10:05AM
Sure, it's all speculation, but my analysis on pay reviews historically have been quite accurate, really it's just looking at what the other factors are (competition wages, national living wage, real living wage and to a lesser extent companies financial health) to get a probable, realistic picture of future pay reviews.

As to night premium, supply and demand would determine nights ending themselves  in that scenario, real terms night premium being diminished would ne a demand dampener, but unless Tesco wants to eventually get rid of nights, this is not the approach they'd take because if they wanted to keep nights, especially if it's of operational importance to some of their stores, then having a demand diminished equation in hiring would present recruitment challenges that could only be alleviated by a meaningful increase to the premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 02-10-23, 11:56AM
With improvement of technology in the next 10 years Tesco might not even need staff to fill. Anyone my prediction is that they will remove nights from more stores Express super store and even some extras. They will close down more pharmacy departments and might even remove phone shops and change they to online.Cut in premiums especially sundays bank holidays.I dont belive they will remove night premium they might cut it in half though.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-10-23, 01:38PM
They won't have the upfront capital to implement those solutions, it'd be much more cost effective for them to implement a cashless shop than spend silly money on automated shelf stacking solutions, at least within the next 10 years.

They're looking at efficiencies in the business that don't require spending money at the moment, they won't risk alienating customers by investing billions into robots.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 02-10-23, 03:02PM
Shelf filling robots are already in use in convivence stores in Japan but the cost to set them up is huge, and then they only fill a small section of the store, not only that but the stores pay a monthly fee per robot to the manufacture for ongoing service and support. It will be a long long time before the cost benefits to a company the size of Tesco see them getting such systems installed.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 02-10-23, 03:05PM
So low pay set for 11.00 an hour starting April tesco better get their act together with our pay rise .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 02-10-23, 03:08PM
Nah they are above the minimum, 2p is plenty, look at Sunday and bank holiday premium, a penny is what they gave us extra last time with the changes to it...

But all seriousness they'd probably raise it up by another 70-80p with cuts and highlight the higher pay, so they look better in the media.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 02-10-23, 05:38PM
Imagine if the Krispy Kreme donut man tells the robots they are getting rid of nights
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 02-10-23, 06:20PM
I'd be surprised if the NLW was "only" £11 from next April - of course, the chancellor's speech stated "at least" - so even more reason that it might be "more" and then it's even more good news.

I'd have thought that we're looking at around £11.15-£11.25 for next year - even the upper end would only only be 83p increase on £10.42 = 7.96% increase.

Whether Tesco maintain their differential at around 70-80p might only become obvious when the others have made their moves - remember Tesco was last to act last year - of course, it would suit Tesco if it was "only £11" - because then their hand isn't forced as to the timing of our next pay review - so potentially they could delay any increase until summer/autumn - but as I said, I'd expect it be more than the current base pay we're on.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-10-23, 06:51PM
The real living wage gets updated at the end of this month, Tesco for the last few pay reviews have at least matched what the real living wage is or negligibly exceeded it by a few pennies, (disregarding the fact the 6 month+ delay to when they actually update it) so it's likely that whatever the real living wage goes up to at the end of October (I predict between £11.70-£11.80 an hour) will be matched by Tesco when they increase pay in April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: WAGs on 02-10-23, 07:00PM
Quote from: grim up north on 02-10-23, 05:38PMImagine if the Krispy Kreme donut man tells the robots they are getting rid of nights
:D  ;D  :-[  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 02-10-23, 07:12PM
Tesco wont replace filling staff with robots instore.
You can defo argue that checkout staff have been replaced with robots though.
Theres alot of automation in depots as well and probably more that is currently possible but would cost a huge ammount to impliment.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 03-10-23, 11:53AM
Quote from: penguin on 02-10-23, 03:02PMShelf filling robots are already in use in convivence stores in Japan but the cost to set them up is huge, and then they only fill a small section of the store, not only that but the stores pay a monthly fee per robot to the manufacture for ongoing service and support. It will be a long long time before the cost benefits to a company the size of Tesco see them getting such systems installed.
That is now.When technology is new it is more expensive than after some time it becomes cheaper. If it already in japan then it is a matter of time when it will happen in my best opinion in 10 years from now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 03-10-23, 12:04PM
Japan has had high speed rail for 30+ years we havn't got it despite inventing rail travel...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 03-10-23, 06:22PM
We could have had it back in the 80s, my late Grandad was one of those who worked on various plans for high speed rail in this country all those years ago having spent his entire working life in train development, instead we got the intercity 125 and 225 both of them fast but not really high speed rail, and now we might get HS2 in 20 years time.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 03-10-23, 06:58PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 03-10-23, 11:53AM
Quote from: penguin on 02-10-23, 03:02PMShelf filling robots are already in use in convivence stores in Japan but the cost to set them up is huge, and then they only fill a small section of the store, not only that but the stores pay a monthly fee per robot to the manufacture for ongoing service and support. It will be a long long time before the cost benefits to a company the size of Tesco see them getting such systems installed.
That is now.When technology is new it is more expensive than after some time it becomes cheaper. If it already in japan then it is a matter of time when it will happen in my best opinion in 10 years from now.
What about the automated donuts?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 08-10-23, 07:31PM
An update on the Admin/Wages situation. My partner who has been an Admin now for 3 years got told last week that Colleague Admin will be phased out after Xmas. Wages is staying. The phase out for Admin was supposed to be announced in April this year hence them all losing People Access but they stalled it. Its now back on. Expect the info to drop down on Coms in the coming weeks
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 08-10-23, 08:34PM
What's that got to do with pay review 2023 topic?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: ll on 09-10-23, 06:20PM
Told by who?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: WAGs on 09-10-23, 07:02PM
Quote from: fatlad on 08-10-23, 08:34PMWhat's that got to do with pay review 2023 topic?
Well Bobmay and his Nights redundancy is taking up all the other threads!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 10-10-23, 04:06PM
 :)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: WAGs on 10-10-23, 05:11PM
Quote from: Mikoo on 08-10-23, 07:31PMAn update on the Admin/Wages situation. My partner who has been an Admin now for 3 years got told last week that Colleague Admin will be phased out after Xmas. Wages is staying. The phase out for Admin was supposed to be announced in April this year hence them all losing People Access but they stalled it. Its now back on. Expect the info to drop down on Coms in the coming weeks
I don't think this will happen a) because the reason to take the People Access away was to reduce down to Wage Clerk's to isolate them and reduce their work load down! B) So they didn't have to pay their skill payment! C) As the Manager's do the WC work  there will be nothing left! But there is lots of Admin work eg. Recruitment, filing, First Aid, Inductions, etc. Its already happened in some Stores no Wage Clerk's or they just go in to do Weekly Reports!  Then they will pickup the odd bits left around Wages with no skill payment as they did with Cash Office etc.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Babs on 11-10-23, 12:32AM
I love how they're boasting about profits etc... on our Tesco app!
And all the comments say something along the lines of pay rise/ bonus for us in stores!
Would be nice if they would consider us low wage workers for a change
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: candysue on 12-10-23, 09:27PM
Quote from: WAGs on 10-10-23, 05:11PM
Quote from: Mikoo on 08-10-23, 07:31PMAn update on the Admin/Wages situation. My partner who has been an Admin now for 3 years got told last week that Colleague Admin will be phased out after Xmas. Wages is staying. The phase out for Admin was supposed to be announced in April this year hence them all losing People Access but they stalled it. Its now back on. Expect the info to drop down on Coms in the coming weeks

Has anyone ever thought that this is where the title of wage admin could become instead of wage clerk and colleague admin? could be a possible combination of both??
I don't think this will happen a) because the reason to take the People Access away was to reduce down to Wage Clerk's to isolate them and reduce their work load down! B) So they didn't have to pay their skill payment! C) As the Manager's do the WC work  there will be nothing left! But there is lots of Admin work eg. Recruitment, filing, First Aid, Inductions, etc. Its already happened in some Stores no Wage Clerk's or they just go in to do Weekly Reports!  Then they will pickup the odd bits left around Wages with no skill payment as they did with Cash Office etc.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 17-10-23, 11:47AM
Today's stats about average wage growth of 7.8% surely means that the NLW will rise to more than £11 (even a 7% rise would be to £11.15) - and the Govt have this aim to meet 2/3 of the mean average wage by 2024 - and we were already "behind the curve" in 2023 - i.e. even if average wages had remained flat then NLW would have needed to rise to meet the 2/3 target.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 18-10-23, 09:11AM
All the concrete data we have to go on so far is that Jeremy Hunt has stated that the National Living Wage will go up to "at least" £11 an hour next April. But it's certainly probable to be more than that and that Lidl now has a starting rate of £11.40 an hour implying that will be the floor of what the next pay review figure will be (though it's certainly more likely to be higher than that given the economic environment.)

The next bit of concrete data will be what the real living wage goes up to at the end of October, that will likely form the solid indication as to what Tescos next pay review figure will be, it has certainly been the case that historically they have at least matched the Real Living Wage figure after all.

Though pay growth certainly suggests that the National Living Wage will go past £11 an hour, and it's certainly more likely to do so than to meet it, the average pay growth is across all industries and a large chunk of that would have been from the 9.7% pay increase in the National Living Wage this year.

The coming year, the economy is transitioning materially in 2 distinct ways.
Those are that inflation will not be high as it was (forecasts reckon it will fall between 3-5% by next April compared to around 10% in April this year) and unemployment is rising as the increased cost of borrowing is starting to bite into businessses finance.

Due to increased unemployment's effects on GDP and tax revenues, and because of our national debt being over 100% of GDP, the low pay commission has to take into account ways to prevent further unemployment and one of the ways they do this is by balancing any national living wage increase to meet socioeconomic needs as well as business viability.

This is why, though pay growth figures suggest it's likely for the national living wage to be above £11 an hour, the other factors in play limits how high it can go.

If I was a betting man, I think between £11.20-£11.25 is what it will go up to next April and as a result of that, Tesco will pay its CAs around £11.82 an hour.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 18-10-23, 12:17PM
Great Post, thanks  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jacks on 18-10-23, 12:53PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 18-10-23, 01:45PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 19-10-23, 07:50PM
With loss of sundays and bank holdiays premiums for all? what about increasing the match rate for pensions?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 19-10-23, 08:19PM
In the above stated scenario of the base rate reaching £11.82, the sunday premium would reduce to £1.07 per hour since the maximum hourly rate for a GA on a sunday is £12.89.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 19-10-23, 08:43PM
Think Sunday premium will be wiped out soon so nearly time to drop Sundays .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 19-10-23, 09:08PM
Once base rate hits £12.89 sunday premium will be gone.....or at least thats what they led us to believe in the last pay review...it will reduce as base rate increases until £12.89 is met at which point sunday premiums will cease to exist.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 20-10-23, 03:12PM
I get paid 16npound an hour on Saturday nights which includes night premium and Sunday premiums. If they do increase it by 1 pound an hour ut would mean we would get 17 pound an hour on Saturday night shift
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NeglectedBaker on 20-10-23, 03:26PM
I'm leaving this site as I'm sick of hearing about Bombays pay on every single post and thread,take care everyone else and good luck in future  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-10-23, 04:34PM
Yeah, needs blocking, pain in the arse taking up every thread.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: WAGs on 20-10-23, 04:54PM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 20-10-23, 04:34PMYeah, needs blocking, pain in the arse taking up every thread.

💯%  I have posted exactly the same he blocks every thread so annoying!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 20-10-23, 05:05PM
I heard on the grapevine that nights are here to stay, but pay frozen for the foreseeable future, in fact Ken Murphy went on record saying he loves night's and that they'll never be made redundant  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 20-10-23, 05:51PM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 20-10-23, 04:34PMYeah, needs blocking, pain in the arse taking up every thread.
Are we able to block someone who is posting ourselves?
I've wondered this for a while.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-10-23, 06:18PM
I don't think we can. Would be an admin issue, they'd have to remove him I'd imagine. Not sure what's happening admin wise since the passing of Nomad.
Perhaps we need a poll and vote bobmay off the island.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 20-10-23, 06:37PM
Sure if he was booted he could just post under another name??
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-10-23, 06:59PM
Yeah thats more than likely what would happen
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 21-10-23, 05:08AM
Quote from: fatlad on 20-10-23, 06:37PMSure if he was booted he could just post under another name??
The posts would stand out like a sore thumb ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 21-10-23, 08:38AM
I know they would but it would still mean we hadn't got rid of him
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 21-10-23, 10:55AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 20-10-23, 05:05PMI heard on the grapevine that nights are here to stay, but pay frozen for the foreseeable future, in fact Ken Murphy went on record saying he loves night's and that they'll never be made redundant  :D  :D  :D
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Generally Knowone is any the wiser as to what future holds for nights, ken may or maynot like nights but it is all about the numbers if he wants money saved in the long term then nights/bakers are well in the firing line. A store manager in an extra told me all nights will be gone by end of 2025 this might of been her guess or she may know.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MerchMan007 on 21-10-23, 01:01PM
"I heard on the grapevine that nights are here to stay, but pay frozen for the foreseeable future, in fact Ken Murphy went on record saying he loves night's and that they'll never be made redundant  :D  :D  :D "

Think you missed NightAndDays' message there chris9997 . The message was a pop at They who shall not be named , not a reason to start more "I heard it from the Krispy Kreme guy" rubbish .  :P
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 21-10-23, 04:29PM
Bobmay needs to go, every single thread becomes about either his pay rate or him trying to find reasons why nights are going from his store soon.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 24-10-23, 09:20AM
Real Living Wage goes up to £12 an hour from next week (outside London) and £13.15 inside London and yet as of today the number of people in `abject poverty` or destitution has doubled; those earning 60% below median wage. Median wage for full time is £33000, so abject poverty line is £13800 and relative poverty *the bread line* is £19800. Thats a full time (government says full time is 35 hours a week)  wage for a Band B GA with no premiums
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 24-10-23, 11:00AM
I'm guessing Tesco aren't signed up to the Real Living Wage. How likely are they to be above that at the next pay review? Does anyone know where their pay has been in relation to the Real Living Wage previously?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 24-10-23, 11:59AM
Let's face it when the pay rise is announced it will inevitably be give with one hand take back with the other if the Sunday premium survives the next pay rise I would be shocked
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mr Tom on 24-10-23, 02:03PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 01-10-23, 02:04PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 30-09-23, 01:24PMHe's not wrong though, they needed to save £5 billion, where do thry save it? Staff mainly... Night and Sunday premiums definitely won't be around much longer at all, it will be more flat rate, I do think with the putting everything together in aisles that makes it far easier to fill etc will be a reason they use as to go

 "we understand the need for basic pay, therefore we are  increasing the basic pay of all colleagues, and removing the night premium and Sunday premium rate as this is something we want to be more ewyal across the board, in doing so colleagues affected (not many) will get a lump sum.."   On the subject of Tesco needing to save £5 Billion could anyone give an understanding of why they would need to save such a large amount, could there be an elephant in the room such as the Lea Day equal pay claim progressing to the detriment of Tesco

Thryll just make it so it's just over, like previously with a penny per hour better off... So yeah better basic but in actuality fir nights, probably same pay / few pence more in the move to cut it.
Correct he doesnt read the reports of tesco profits. Tesco this year has lost 1 billion I profits compared to last year.considering customers are spending less stores are more quiet it is only a matter of time when they remove nights from the final express stores.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mr Tom on 24-10-23, 03:09PM
sorry i entered my comment in the wrong place, the comment for clarity is

On the subject of Tesco needing to save £5 Billion could anyone give an understanding of why they would need
to save such a large amount, could there be an elephant in the room such as the Lea Day equal pay claim
progressing to the detriment of Tesco?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BarryZola on 24-10-23, 08:36PM
I doubt it. They probably want to save money just so that they can report higher profits. They have to do this to justify their bonuses.

The wheels of justice turn very slowly these days. The ASDA staff I think pretty much won their case years and years ago but the company have tied them up in appeals courts ever since. We're years behind them and it seems to take a year just to get some stupid little hearing that's not even a major part of the process. At this rate we'll get a decision at this court in around 6 years time. Tesco (if they lose) will then of course appeal to another court or whatever and it'll be another several years tied up in court. The process will just continue for around 20 years and probably ultimately end in disappointment for staff as money talks and people in important decision making positions can be influenced when it really matters.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 25-10-23, 10:49AM
Quote from: Raven on 24-10-23, 11:00AMI'm guessing Tesco aren't signed up to the Real Living Wage. How likely are they to be above that at the next pay review? Does anyone know where their pay has been in relation to the Real Living Wage previously?
Historically for at least the last 4-5 pay reviews, Tesco has risen their wages to at least meet the real living wage, the news of it hitting £12 an hour was slightly more than I thought it would be but not too far off my estimate (about 10p off). With regards to Tescos pay in relation to the real living wage, for the last one, with the last real living wage figure of £10.90 an hour Tesco has in turn raised their wage to £11.02 an hour (albeit several months after the change).

Because of this my estimations of what Tescos next pay review figure will be has increased a bit, It's certainly more likely now to be at least £12 an hour, but I'd now wager on it going to £12.02 an hour, an increase of 20p on my last estimate, in light of the surprising new real living wage figure.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 25-10-23, 11:45AM
I'm guessing you could be right but can't see it going up to £12 in one go, it will probably be given in 2 stages
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 25-10-23, 12:53PM
Quote from: penguin on 21-10-23, 04:29PMBobmay needs to go, every single thread becomes about either his pay rate or him trying to find reasons why nights are going from his store soon.
https://media.giphy.com/media/8FBCOSYErFjmDoaxeG/giphy.gi
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MaterialGirl on 25-10-23, 05:46PM
Not sure where to put this but my team manager has just it slip that the Area Manager who came in for a visit today said the Colleague Admin role is going to be ditched next year with the Wage clerk becoming Wage Admin.

So when everyone thought it was Wages they were getting ready to ditch it turns out its the other way around. The Wages Clerk will be given the additional task of all Colleague Admin stuff.

I can see the logic because it means just keeping the skills payment confined to Wage Clerks and not two or more additional Colleague Admins which would end up costing more.

So when they took People Access off Admins this must have been laying the ground work.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-11-23, 11:56AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/millions-could-get-huge-pay-increase-next-year-with-larger-than-expected-rise-to-national-living-wage-12999954

News articles today suggest the National Living Wage will go up to £11.46 an hour  next April, a larger increase than I initially expected, In light of this, I'm now revising my estimate for Tesco pay review to £12.10 an hour in April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 04-11-23, 03:37PM
Let's hope they do it all in one hit & not a few smaller increments
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-11-23, 07:28PM
If Tescos upped wages to anywhere near 12£ a hour I'd be gobsmacked  but if that happened you can bet premiums esp Sunday would more than likely go .. you can see it now tho safe bet 11.60 in April to prob 11.80 end next year ..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 10-11-23, 10:48AM
USDAW released a statement yesterday saying that they have put forward their pay negotiation request to Tesco for negotiation at the end of January. What are peoples thoughts on this? It doesn't look like they are asking for much (The New Deal for Workers Campaign demands a minimum wage of £12 per hour) however I am sure we will get much, much less than requested.

Negotiated Items:

1. A substantial increase in base rates of pay without erosion of existing terms on conditions and in support of Usdaw's New Deal for Workers Campaign.

2. Improvements to the company sick pay scheme.

3. Improvements to premium pay for the Festive Bank Holidays.

Consultative Items:

1. Improvements to Colleague Clubcard.

2. Improvements to Paternity Pay & Leave.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 10-11-23, 11:28AM
to be honest should increase matched pension contributions to 10%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 10-11-23, 11:51AM
It doesn't look like they've even taken that into consideration. Would have been a great addition though.

I don't think they've put anywhere near enough on the table... especially when Tesco will negotiate downwards.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Seymee on 10-11-23, 01:27PM
Best we can hope for is 11.55 in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Johnzo88 on 11-11-23, 12:40AM
Raven. Where did you find the statement from Usdaw? Is it on their website, or did they brief their reps? Thanks.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 11-11-23, 05:58PM
Can't find anything either about this Usdaw statement but it's literally hearsay atm one union rep in my store reckons 11.80 with premiums gone but we will see what's happening  come Jan
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 11-11-23, 07:17PM
if thats the case it would work out an extra £18 pound a week, the old saying give in one hand take some thing  away in the other hand. >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: dilligaf on 11-11-23, 10:59PM
Why do people speculate about something so important to everyone, unless there is concreate information on wage increases etc, its best not to enter into he says, they say etc etc... >:D , I've heard some wild & wonderful stories over the years, that have got staff up in arms for no reason...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morrissey1912 on 12-11-23, 01:11AM
I'm sure Bobmay will be in with his £18 pound worth shortly 😂😂
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Biscuits on 12-11-23, 05:38AM
What Raven is saying about the union pay negotiation is correct. Our union rep posted a copy of the union letter on our Q chat group. Not that we'll get anything like that. Tesco will say no and the union will roll over and tell us they tried their best.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 12-11-23, 10:17AM
very true
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 13-11-23, 10:41AM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-11-23, 12:40AMRaven. Where did you find the statement from Usdaw? Is it on their website, or did they brief their reps? Thanks.
It was on USDAW's official facebook page.

Essentially, this is the unions starting point... so it will likely be negotiated down from there.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 13-11-23, 03:04PM
Quote from: Raven on 10-11-23, 10:48AMUSDAW released a statement yesterday saying that they have put forward their pay negotiation request to Tesco for negotiation at the end of January. What are peoples thoughts on this? It doesn't look like they are asking for much (The New Deal for Workers Campaign demands a minimum wage of £12 per hour) however I am sure we will get much, much less than requested.

Negotiated Items:

1. A substantial increase in base rates of pay without erosion of existing terms on conditions and in support of Usdaw's New Deal for Workers Campaign.

2. Improvements to the company sick pay scheme.

3. Improvements to premium pay for the Festive Bank Holidays.

Consultative Items:

1. Improvements to Colleague Clubcard.

2. Improvements to Paternity Pay & Leave.
Tesco will use that and give better paternity and colleague clubcard then convert it into a £ value then tell everyone look you are getting "up to" 400,500,600 more benefits...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 13-11-23, 05:27PM
There won't be much room for negotiating downwards, if any, for 2 key reasons.

1. The national living wage is suggested to be going up to £11.46 an hour next April, and Tesco has never been a minimum wage payer, the lowest from what I remember was 4% above the legal minimum, if we use this year as an example, minimum wage of £10.42, Tesco pays 60p more, that's roughly 6% above the minimum, if the minimum goes to £11.46 an hour, in the very worst case I don't see them going lower than £11.80 and that's basing it off historic tendencies.

2. Tesco has at least matched the real living wage for the past few pay reviews, this currently sits at £12 an hour, the media backlash and resultant shareholder sentiment of Tesco paying any less would have reputational and PR implications.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 14-11-23, 07:04AM
Quote from: Morrissey1912 on 12-11-23, 01:11AMI'm sure Bobmay will be in with his £18 pound worth shortly 😂😂

I am already in getting 16 a hour on Saturday
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 14-11-23, 07:49AM
Quote from: Morrissey1912 on 12-11-23, 01:11AMI'm sure Bobmay will be in with his £18 pound worth shortly 😂😂
yes the "spotting changes to the 2023 pay review so they can remove nights" topic is sure to start soon! ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 14-11-23, 03:18PM
i'm sure the krispy creme man will know what our new pay rate will be :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Kiddos on 15-11-23, 09:08AM
I don't think any Team Manager would know what's going on with either Wages or Colleague Admin roles. Highly doubt an Area Manager would let it slip.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-11-23, 06:19PM
News today confirms that the national living wage will go up to £11.44 an hour from next April making at least a £12 an hour floor wage at Tesco a near certainty, a £12.10 wage is even probable.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 22-11-23, 05:27AM
Still think it will be in 2 increments. £11.60ish in April & £12ish in September.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 22-11-23, 11:35AM
if in two increments, likely the second one would be delayed until late November!!
But do Tesco really want to increase their admin?
I also think that as well as the inevitable "squeezing" on premiums that stores that get "location pay" (other than "inner London") are surely more at risk of losing that - so any pay rise might become negligible - I have said that for a while - so at some stage I must be proved right!!

Then again, they have been frozen at 45p (for our "home counties" store) for as long as I can remember - so not increased with inflation - I'm sure they were 45p when the base rate hit the "magic" £7 mark -

Think a lot will depend on the competition (other supermarkets) as to what Tesco does.

Of course, if they wanted to match Aldi with their wages, not sure we'd complain! (maybe not the workload!) 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-11-23, 02:15PM
It's worth pointing out that if Tesco doesn't increase the floor wage to at least £12 an hour, that will be the first time in a few years where their pay rise hasn't matched or exceeded the real living wage (currently £12 an hour outside of London).

I'd be surprised if it does go to as little as £11.60 initially.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 22-11-23, 03:52PM
Many of those times would have been almost a year after the real living wage was announced.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 23-11-23, 09:17AM
I think you're right, at one point we were only 5p above minimum wage for a few months. I remember staff morale in our store was a bit low then as a result.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-11-23, 08:34PM
Quote from: barafear on 22-11-23, 03:52PMMany of those times would have been almost a year after the real living wage was announced.
True, I suppose it would be more accurate to say that Tesco hasn't gone for more than a year not meeting the real living wage in the last 5-8 years or so. But that still means a £12 floor wage is likely in the sense there is a basis for it historically.

As for the 5p above minimum wage argument, their increase takes place in April the same month when the £11.44 minimum wage comes into play, They won't get away with paying just 5p above it straight after, the optics wouldn't come  off looking good no matter how you angled it, even Ex CEO dodgy Dave would have a tough time coming off as looking good trying to sell it in that regard. There was recent Shareholder backlash against Sainsbury's around criticism of not paying floor staff competitively during a cost of living crisis.

Also Tesco like to bandy about these % busting pay rises (they're large because they apply to a small amount), The PR team would have an impossible job of convincing their own employees that a roughly 0.4% pay increase is the company rewarding them for their hard work, especially considering inflation.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-12-23, 01:54PM
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/aldi/aldi-to-become-first-supermarket-paying-all-warehouse-and-store-workers-at-least-12-an-hour/686138.article%23:~:text%3DAldi%2520is%2520set%2520to%2520be,%25C2%25A312.85%2520to%2520%25C2%25A313.55.&ved=2ahUKEwjwkNStvP2CAxVNWUEAHaLABPMQFnoECB0QBQ&usg=AOvVaw2oqhjuGhDKQAp6A2vM9EQc


Aldi has announced an increase to £12 an hour taking place on 1st February 2024 which will translate to a higher probability that Tesco will be paying around that much come April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 07-12-23, 02:12PM
According to the mirror it's guaranteed 12 but uk wide it's 12.95 a hour for store staff 13.85 a hour inside m25 and salaried staff also getting a decent pay rise aswell .. let's face it tho if we do get near 12£ a hour then there's a huge chance any premium will go to compensate the pay rise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 07-12-23, 03:23PM
Reading couple more articles some stating 12£ a hour is the starting wage then up to 12.95 after a few months
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-12-23, 04:35PM
It does seem a bit confusing reading the stories - but I think what it means is that Aldi pay long serving staff more than new starters - not sure how long you need to work before getting the higher rates of pay - but basically this pay rise will be a min of £12/hour for new starters but £12.95 for long serving staff. (and more for London)

Of course, Tesco do not pay long serving staff anymore - and they even dispensed with the lower rate of pay for new starters (which only generally last three months I think) a few years back (mainly because it would have been less than the NLW!!) -

So unfortunately, I don't think Tesco will be matching Aldi on this (£12.95) - but it's likely our hourly rate will increase to around £12 at some stage after April - I still think it would be mean (and also an admin burden) to give us £11.70 from April (in order to stay legal) and then increase to £12.05 (maybe) from November.
I can see the savings for Tesco PLC in doing so - but it would really turn the screw on staff if they did this (esp. if other supermarkets just go straight to £12 from April - or even before - similar to this deal from Aldi starting in Feb)

Recent history of Tesco's pay reviews would suggest that we shouldn't expect anything unexpectedly good (i.e. a pay rise from before when Tesco absolutely need to do it - or a "higher increase" than expected - or no detriment to premiums) -

Hey ho. We can't have it all (then again we could go and work for Aldi!!)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 07-12-23, 05:03PM
to be honest that's what I'm expecting around 11.70 a hour and a further increase later on in year ... working for the company for a long time from the double time on a Sunday lark I'd be gobsmacked if we kept premiums come April
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 12-12-23, 03:49PM
I think they might just do the same as previous with Sunday premiums and essentially fix it where it currently is... until such a time as the hourly wage catches up to it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 12-12-23, 04:08PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 07-12-23, 02:12PMAccording to the mirror it's guaranteed 12 but uk wide it's 12.95 a hour for store staff 13.85 a hour inside m25 and salaried staff also getting a decent pay rise aswell .. let's face it tho if we do get near 12£ a hour then there's a huge chance any premium will go to compensate the pay rise
If Tesco does pay 13.85 an hour for store staff in london for those who work nights they would get nearly 16 pound on night shift and on saturday night shift they would get nearly 18 pound and that if they keep the sunday premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-12-23, 04:19PM
If they limit the Sunday premo as previously mentioned it reduces those Saturday night shifts.

£18 an hour today is less than the £14 in real terms that I used to get back when Sunday premo was time and a half when ca wage was £8 an hour or so, you have to remember £18 an hour is soon to be 50% up from Tesco floor wages.

And it's only for 5.5 hours a week.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 12-12-23, 08:33PM
When do we usually find out what the new pay deal will be?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 13-12-23, 10:10AM
Usdaw and Tesco begin negotiations towards the end of January I think. The previous pay deal was announced at the end of February.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lja on 14-12-23, 02:01PM
Anyone know if the equal pay claim we will be getting anything? Had to write on here as it won't let me create a new thread...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 14-12-23, 03:23PM
The one for another supermarket is still being followed up.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: FarmerFred on 15-12-23, 07:00PM
Will be a long time before there'll be any significant progress one way or another because the supermarkets will  fight every possible detail and appeal route.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 15-12-23, 07:38PM
the expected before covid was 2025, they said covid added atleast 5 years so atleast 2030...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CJ on 20-12-23, 11:03PM
Hi Guys and Girls,

Not sure how to use this site as new here so apologies if I have posted in the wrong area, anyways I just wanted to get some advice from colleagues regarding a issue, so recently I have had a injury at work due to a faulty oven at work, I work in a express store and mainly work late shifts so I don't normally bake apart from one day, now I have reason to believe I don't have any formal training on the bake off area and when I searched on click and learn I don't have the bake off training or the food prep area signed off or even a percentage completed, I had just been going by what the shift leaders have told me informally which was basically you press this button and that and that's it wait till the timer runs out, now the other day I went to close the bakery oven and the glass had shattered all over me I sustained some injuries but luckily enough they weren't as bad as they could have potentially been! Anyone know what are the specific requirements for someone to bake in a express store, all advice would be much appreciated
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyguy on 23-12-23, 04:42PM
If you've been operating machinery/equipment without the proper training I'm sorry to tell you that the responsibility for any injuries sustained is yours and yours alone. "I was just following orders" has never been an effective excuse I'm afraid.
Hope you're not too badly injured but I have to say it is solely your fault. You need to grow a pair and learn to say "sorry, I haven't had the requisite training to do that" if you are asked to do a job you haven't had training for.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 23-12-23, 04:57PM
edit - posted in wrong one woops, meant ot reply in the physical
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-12-23, 07:39PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 23-12-23, 04:42PMIf you've been operating machinery/equipment without the proper training I'm sorry to tell you that the responsibility for any injuries sustained is yours and yours alone. "I was just following orders" has never been an effective excuse I'm afraid.
Hope you're not too badly injured but I have to say it is solely your fault. You need to grow a pair and learn to say "sorry, I haven't had the requisite training to do that" if you are asked to do a job you haven't had training for.
If the machinery was defective, as is seemingly the case here, a proper Health and Safety assessment wouldn't have been conducted, if this was due to a lack of process the company is responsible, if it's due to audits not being done properly, tbe person doing them is responsible.

There's entries in the safe and legal logbook which highlights such issues and asks for next steps, with phone numbers for helplines to get maintenance or relevent people to look at and repair if necessary.

Now if we can get back to topic, thank you.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: penguin on 04-01-24, 02:44PM
Sainsburys going up to £12 an hour for most staff, those in London to get £13.15 an hour.

https://www.about.sainsburys.co.uk/news/latest-news/2023/04-01-2023-sainsburys-makes-200-million-pound-investment-colleague-pay-increase#:~:text=At%20Sainsbury's%20we%20will%20be,500%20million%20over%20three%20years.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 04-01-24, 02:51PM
today sainsbury,s announces pay rise for all it,s employees from £11.00 to £12.00 in march, if you work in london it will raise from £11.95 to £13.15, lets see what tesco will do.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-01-24, 03:09PM
That pretty much cements a minimum of £12 an hour from Tesco come April, likely even more as historically, they've always paid above Sainsbury's.

If I was a betting man, I reckon it'll go up to between £12.05 - £12.10, in April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Biscuit tin on 04-01-24, 03:38PM
And the final nail in the coffin for Sunday Premiums too no doubt.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-01-24, 04:57PM
Let's face it if we do hit the 12£ a hour mark I'd imagine Sunday and bank holiday premium would go
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 04-01-24, 05:52PM
living wage will be at £11.44, so that means sainsbury staff will only gain by 0.56 pence,so in fact it will not cover  the cost of living, like food bills, and USDAW taking great pleasure they helped,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-01-24, 08:16PM
The real cost of living outside of London according to the living wage foundation is £12 an hour on 40 hours a week (so £480 a week or just under £25k a year).
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 04-01-24, 10:38PM
lets hope they make it matching or more then Sainsburys! although 9/10 times aldi and lidl will pay better as they seem to wait for tesco announcement then they copy us with few pence over lol

but I bet usdaw come to "an agreement" to loose all sunday pay (like new staff dont have anyway) and bank holiday pay. heck they probally lessen actual holiday pay to be 10% below the average hours.. they will do something to screw us over and make us actually financially worse off but LOOK like we getting more
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-01-24, 07:12PM
It's not going to be hard to make it "LOOK" good - because we all know the "base" pay will increase by £1 (ish) - so in anyone's language, that looks good.

Of course, we know that none of the retailers are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts - it's purely down to the mandatory NLW. Ok - granted - that's not going up to £12 - but the extra 56p amounts to less than 5% above the NLW - so hardly something to blow their trumpets about.
And didn't I read in the "news article" about Sainsburys that they are also paying it in March - a whole month before they legally have to!!!

I also read that they get 15% discount every Fri and Sat.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 06-01-24, 12:37PM
after the way usdaw have screwed us over,altering everyone to a scan,pick,fill contract,im sure they have another gem just as good to unleash on us soon
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AM
In all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe, but I do expect premiums to just go altogether next as a "we are making it equal" whilst usdaw is aiming to add them back in..... So I don't forsee a good one but the last was and I hate to say it, a better deal. Than expected.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 07-01-24, 04:47AM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 07-01-24, 07:25AM
I can see them scrapping the Sunday premium, Cutting the bank holiday premium but i can't see how they would get away with scrapping the nightshift premium, its hard enough to recruit staff for nightshift as it is.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightproduceworker on 07-01-24, 10:12AM
No way they will scrap night premium, they do that, they may aswell go from nights to twilight's as so many people at my store have said if premium goes, they won't lift hardly a finger to get done.

No point having nights. Equality term used will only fuel the equal pay claim more and more aswell.

Unfortunately all supermarkets are going to lose that case with the way the world is going.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 07-01-24, 02:31PM
don't forget Tesco tend to announce structure and store changes after xmas,I would not be at all surprised to see more aisles from nights moving to daytime fill only like w&s,im sure frozen and h&b were being trialed in some stores,the money they save from scrapping those jobs,will help fund the new pay deal,we just have to hope that usdaw does not agree to rolling out the no sick pay for the first 3 days right across the board regardless of length of service
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 07-01-24, 03:10PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.
Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:18PM
exactly, if i picked up overtime on checkouts, where did i spend my time? filling fresh cause checkout staff "weren't trained" - for me, I personally wanted to be off of the area for a bit of a difference scene and instead I was being thrown onto it, because my colleagues refused to be trained for it.

I get that people prefer doing their job and don't want to do others, and like me I like a change, but why when going for the change do you have to do the same job if there is others capable just cause they refuse? - that in itself is what i call a bit unfair on the equal part.

as for the BWS / Frozen / H&B ours have the hours on days but nights fill them cause they couldnt manage to fill it... would pass over the usual 20-24 stacks of bread and 8 or so cages + backstock at 7am, and then we'd get more than half of it back at night while being told they've had 4-5 people working it since 7am... so its just a 1 person night fill now... though if we went by the hours on the system it says 1 hour for bread and then 3 hours for meat and thats all we get to fill  ???

I can see the 3 day sick being rolled out to everyone though like they did for "making everoyne equal, drop double timers to half time" etc.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 07-01-24, 07:29PM
In 2005 when they changed the sick pay structure people were given the option to either opt out or remain, those who choose to opt out were given compensation, as a result this cannot be just taken of those who remain.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Elly1519 on 08-01-24, 07:32AM
Cocktail, that was part of a trial and selected stores only.

I only found out when a colleague in my store complained about her sick pay not being paid from day 1. The PM in store was at her previous store when this trial took place so knew all about the change and all the relevant documentation was in her personnel file.
I have over 30 years service and I was never offered the chance to opt out.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 08-01-24, 06:46PM
Don't get why anyone would opt to lose sick pay from day 1. You never know what tomorrow brings and even with the greatest attendance record you never know what illness you could pick up tomorrow.

I know some colleagues take the nick with constant absence but there are many who go a full year with zero sickness. Why should they be penalised if on a rare occasion they have a genuine illness?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightproduceworker on 09-01-24, 05:03PM
I wish I was in the old contract. Just missed it. As I never go sickest, and damned if I come into work ill. Day 1 sick pay should be earned in my opinion and rewarded.

Day 1 sick pay has been abused too much in my store.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chocice on 09-01-24, 05:21PM
Pay talks start this month, with a view to announce the outcome in March.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 09-01-24, 07:10PM
Not sure which thread to put this on - so jumped on this one - just an observation from me about "how well Tesco are doing" - I know the shares are doing pretty well at the moment - but just noticed they've launched a "double clubcard points" event until the end of Feb (which coincidently is also the end of the Tesco accounting period) - makes me wonder whether they need to bump up sales to meet their expected annual targets?
Of course, I could be wide of the mark - it was just the "dates" that made me think like that.....
I know ultimately double points is not "all that much" - but some customers love it!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Elly1519 on 09-01-24, 07:38PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 08-01-24, 06:46PMDon't get why anyone would opt to lose sick pay from day 1. You never know what tomorrow brings and even with the greatest attendance record you never know what illness you could pick up tomorrow.

I know some colleagues take the nick with constant absence but there are many who go a full year with zero sickness. Why should they be penalised if on a rare occasion they have a genuine illness?
The colleagues who agreed to the change were bought out as an incentive. The amount they received was dependent on their length of service.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 09-01-24, 09:21PM
Quote from: JJH on 07-01-24, 03:10PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.
Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!
I only do security nothing else had a report by occupational health saying that's all I can do till I retire
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 10-01-24, 12:22PM
Quote from: chocice on 09-01-24, 05:21PMPay talks start this month, with a view to announce the outcome in March.
Thats disappointing, usually they announce the new pay review in January and its in place for March/April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 10-01-24, 12:35PM
Given the legalities of when Tesco has to pay the new NLW by, and given how our pay dates fall this year, Tesco can effectively "underpay" us for almost four weeks - as they are not obligated to pay the new NLW until the first pay day after 1st April - which will be 26 April (I believe) - so we could be stuck on £11.02 until then. Whether Tesco would want the potential bad publicity that might come is another matter.

Then again, my understanding of when they have to pay it might also be wrong. Last year, I remember pay date was 2nd April (maybe 3rd) and there were some questions as to whether Tesco were "breaking the law" by underpaying us for one or two days.

From the ACAS website, here's an example:

"The higher rate starts to apply from the next pay reference period after the increase. This means someone's pay might not go up straight away.
For example, there's a minimum wage rate increase on 1 April.
Sam gets paid monthly on the 15th of the month. The old rate will apply until Sam's next pay reference period starts on 16 April.
As a minimum, Sam should get paid:

the old rate for 1 April to 15 April
the new rate for 16 April to 15 May"

So as I say - Tesco might still be paying us £11.02 until 26 April!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 10-01-24, 07:06PM
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 09-01-24, 09:21PM
Quote from: JJH on 07-01-24, 03:10PM
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.
Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!
I only do security nothing else had a report by occupational health saying that's all I can do till I retire
F*ck me you've done well there, how much did you slip to the OH colleague for that report!  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-01-24, 11:21AM
Just on our Tescos now and the story about the trading period a few people I assume head office union members have said negotiations have only just started ... now you would think with the pretty impressive trading figures the 6 greens on the big 6 we should be looking at a decent pay rise but let's wait and see... at least management looks like they will be quids in bonus wise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 12-01-24, 11:45AM
I find Tesco like to boast about how well they're doing... without passing much down to GA level. I mean, a 'thank you for your hard work' doesn't really pay the bills does it? With Sainsbury announcing £12/h I think Tesco will be slightly above that (maybe £12.05) just to try to make them look generous, but they'll no doubt be taking something away while trying to tell us 'what a great pay deal it is'... they usually do.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Grassman on 12-01-24, 12:08PM
Anybody asking for a bonus on our Tesco app is recieving a swift reply from the moderators saying after colleague feedback we gave up our bonus for base pay.... hilarious!!! The gravy train continues.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-01-24, 12:17PM
I've noticed the swift response from head office on there about the bonus  just highlights how bloddy poor the union are  to give this away for apparent favourable pay ... but let's wait and see the inevitable give with one hand take back with another is coming if bank holiday premium survives I'd b shocked not as much as the 17% nonsense on a Sunday staying ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-01-24, 01:56PM
Managers still get bonuses don't they? It's just the hourly paid colleagues that don't.

I've not heard about bonuses being taken away from my remuneration, then again I'm in a different area of the business.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-01-24, 04:24PM
Salaried staff managers etc etc do yes ga shift leaders etc etc do not
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 15-01-24, 01:28PM
I've been pondering.
I think if Tesco were to get rid of premiums then they'd likely give us some notice - if only to make staffing the shifts a bit easier.
So I'm now of the opinion that it's unlikely that any changes to premiums will happen from April - therefore this makes a two-step pay review more likely -

Something like £11.65 an hour from April - and then from Sept/Oct - Sunday/BH premiums cut/removed in order to "fund" a further increase to £12.15 an hour....

I don't think "next year's" increase in NLW will be quite as much as we've seen in the last two years - so by upping pay to £12.15 might allow Tesco not to get caught out again next April - i.e. come April 2025, £12.15 might still be above any new NLW.

In the above scenario, staff then have that knowledge that any Sundays/BHs they do between April and October will still be at +17% or +25% - whereas after that date might both be plain time (I wonder if they'll keep BHs at some sort of smaller premium).

Obviously any "new" staff (as if we have any great increase in staff numbers) will be on single time anyway -

so by the time we get to Oct2024, there should be enough staff to cover the shifts -
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 15-01-24, 02:15PM
That's what I'm fearing a 2 step increase but surely with the vast bumper 6months or what ever they had we will go straight to 12£ a hour esp now sainsbury setting that as benchmark
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 15-01-24, 02:21PM
The company has already indicated that Sunday premium is going, and it will drop further this year in line with the hourly increase as last year. Night premium will stay just because of the issues with hiring and retaining.

£12.05 or something very close to that  will be announced in due course, I am certain. I have no inside knowledge. They will keep it very simple and make a lot of noise about the rise in percentage terms.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 15-01-24, 05:04PM
Other than "freezing" the "cash amount" (and hence reducing the % uplift) of Sunday premiums last year -how else have the company "indicated" that Sunday premium is going?

Of course, we all fear it is going - but I've not seen any clear indication from the company that it is "going".

Obviously, if they continue the "freeze" - then it would probably only have one more year to go - so currently, I believe it is at a rate of £12.89 an hour (which equates to £11.02 + 17%) - so obviously if Tesco wanted to keep it at £12.89 - and our basic rate increased to £12 - then the £12.89 would be £12 + 7.5% (approx) - and then from April 2025, it would be scrapped - as our hourly rate would probably increase close to £12.89 .....

Yes - I agree that the Sainsbury benchmark is also relevant - then again, Sainsbury are paying this from March (last year I believe they paid increase from Feb) - and Tesco didn't copy last year - and it would be surprising if Tesco raised basic pay much before April this year.

Of course the % increase will look "impressive" - but only in line with the 10% increase in the NLW.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 15-01-24, 08:24PM
I foresee £12.02 per hour base rate from April with sunday premium dropping from £1.87 to 87p per hour. I'd be surprised if sunday premium still exists by end of quarter 2 of 2025. These are my own speculations, i have no evidence to back them up so a pinch of salt is required.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 16-01-24, 08:09AM
When I was growing up in the 70's nothing opened on a Sunday, so when Sunday trading started stores offered double time to get people to work as shifts were a struggle to feel....

However anyone born since 2000 treats Sunday as just another day and as such don't see it as special. I doubt any store would have issues recruiting Sunday only colleagues now.

Bottom line is why pay a premium to existing staff when the business could easily hire new staff to do the same role at less cost?

Sunday premium will be going....the only question is when
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Alvor the grear on 16-01-24, 12:12PM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 15-01-24, 08:24PMI foresee £12.02 per hour base rate from April with sunday premium dropping from £1.87 to 87p per hour. I'd be surprised if sunday premium still exists by end of quarter 2 of 2025. These are my own speculations, i have no evidence to back them up so a pinch of salt is required.
I personally think they could cut the sunday premium to 10% which would be about an extra £1.20ph this is obviously still a cut in sunday pay but may be the fairest outcome as opposed to removing completely.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 16-01-24, 03:46PM
I don't think they will remove sunday premium completely this year, I wouldn't put it past them though...but by summer 2025 I can see it being gone.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 16-01-24, 08:29PM
With the governments long term strategy of getting the national living wage to 2/3 of median pay by 2030 (I believe), we're going to see not insignificant increases to the national living wage to that point, especially if the deglobalization trend continues and results in periods of historically high inflation.

What this results in is increased overheads for businesses through labour costs, stiff competition and regulatory oversight means they're limited in how much they can pass off the costs to the customer, meaning to secure their profitability they have to operate more efficiently (i.e AI and automation of routine admin and more structure changes to accommodate these changes) and careful strategising around employee remuneration.

Tesco is the only Retailer that still pays a Sunday premium, but the past 8 years of wage inflation has made it increasingly economically unviable. The macroeconomic landscape will diminish any variation in compensation that existed before.

In essence because floor wages are going to be kept artificially high by government mandate, to maintain profitability, we're going to see a more uniform approach across the whole market segment, the competition will become more and more alike over the next 6 years.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 17-01-24, 02:58PM
Quote from: barafear on 15-01-24, 05:04PMOther than "freezing" the "cash amount" (and hence reducing the % uplift) of Sunday premiums last year -how else have the company "indicated" that Sunday premium is going?
By dropping it last year from 25% to 17%. It seems pretty unilkely that it was the only reduction we'll see and there was no communication at the time to rule out futher decreases in the percentage.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-01-24, 02:01PM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 17-01-24, 02:58PM
Quote from: barafear on 15-01-24, 05:04PMOther than "freezing" the "cash amount" (and hence reducing the % uplift) of Sunday premiums last year -how else have the company "indicated" that Sunday premium is going?
By dropping it last year from 25% to 17%. It seems pretty unilkely that it was the only reduction we'll see and there was no communication at the time to rule out futher decreases in the percentage.
I agree that reading between the lines that it is highly likely that Sunday premium is "on its last legs" - and clearly not paying it to new starters as well is an indication of sorts that it is "going" - but Tesco have not categorically stated it is going.

As I say - I'm in agreement with most on here that it will go very soon - I'm just not sure it has been "clearly indicated"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-01-24, 02:07PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 16-01-24, 08:29PMWith the governments long term strategy of getting the national living wage to 2/3 of median pay by 2030 (I believe), we're going to see not insignificant increases to the national living wage to that point, especially if the deglobalization trend continues and results in periods of historically high inflation.

What this results in is increased overheads for businesses through labour costs, stiff competition and regulatory oversight means they're limited in how much they can pass off the costs to the customer, meaning to secure their profitability they have to operate more efficiently (i.e AI and automation of routine admin and more structure changes to accommodate these changes) and careful strategising around employee remuneration.

Tesco is the only Retailer that still pays a Sunday premium, but the past 8 years of wage inflation has made it increasingly economically unviable. The macroeconomic landscape will diminish any variation in compensation that existed before.

In essence because floor wages are going to be kept artificially high by government mandate, to maintain profitability, we're going to see a more uniform approach across the whole market segment, the competition will become more and more alike over the next 6 years.
As usual - a well thought out and structured post. However, just a little point about the date of the "Government's desire to get NLW to 2/3rd of median pay" - you mention 2030 in your post - whereas I believe the date is in fact where we are now - 2024.

"This is typically done by calculating the minimum wage as a proportion of median earnings – the point at which half of people earn more and half of people earn less. The Government reached its target of the NLW reaching a value of 60% of median earnings by 2020 and is expected to reach a value of 66% by 2024.27 Nov 2023"

Above is from UK Parliament website.

So we're here now - so presumably unless there's a new target then it will be "kept" at 2/3rd of median pay - so in theory, the % increase in NLW each year should more or less match the ongoing "wage inflation" figure - the latest figure I believe was 6.6% - obviously we are around 10 months away from the new announcement in relation to NLW (i.e. what the NLW will be from April 2025) - so the "wage inflation" figure could change - I guess it's expected to fall - given that general inflation is falling - therefore there should not be significant demand from workers for "high" pay rises. Then again - there are a number of "striking workers" currently - so if their demands for high rises are met - then maybe wage inflation for 2024/25 will remain higher than "normal inflation/CPI" - and then we can expect that the NLW for April 2025 might be around 7% higher than the rate just announced for 2024 - i.e. £11.44 becomes around £12.22
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: ExSMfloor on 22-01-24, 07:32AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 16-01-24, 08:09AMWhen I was growing up in the 70's nothing opened on a Sunday, so when Sunday trading started stores offered double time to get people to work as shifts were a struggle to feel....

However anyone born since 2000 treats Sunday as just another day and as such don't see it as special. I doubt any store would have issues recruiting Sunday only colleagues now.

Bottom line is why pay a premium to existing staff when the business could easily hire new staff to do the same role at less cost?

Sunday premium will be going....the only question is when
I have to agree fully here. Sunday premium is not, and has not been a thing in the sector and many others for a number of years now.

While I feel sorry for those impacted the most, eg those contracted full shifts or drivers contracted 9/10 hours, we have to be realistic and accept it will happen and it's keeping with the market, in the same way we expect the pay announcement to keep with the market and match Sainsbury's etc.

This company will never do more than they have to no matter what they say
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 22-01-24, 12:31PM
Quote from: barafear on 19-01-24, 02:01PMI agree that reading between the lines that it is highly likely that Sunday premium is "on its last legs" - and clearly not paying it to new starters as well is an indication of sorts that it is "going" - but Tesco have not categorically stated it is going.

As I say - I'm in agreement with most on here that it will go very soon - I'm just not sure it has been "clearly indicated"
Typical for the business though - playing cards close to their chest as always. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 22-01-24, 02:19PM
Quote from: ExSMfloor on 22-01-24, 07:32AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 16-01-24, 08:09AMWhen I was growing up in the 70's nothing opened on a Sunday, so when Sunday trading started stores offered double time to get people to work as shifts were a struggle to feel....

However anyone born since 2000 treats Sunday as just another day and as such don't see it as special. I doubt any store would have issues recruiting Sunday only colleagues now.

Bottom line is why pay a premium to existing staff when the business could easily hire new staff to do the same role at less cost?

Sunday premium will be going....the only question is when
I have to agree fully here. Sunday premium is not, and has not been a thing in the sector and many others for a number of years now.

While I feel sorry for those impacted the most, eg those contracted full shifts or drivers contracted 9/10 hours, we have to be realistic and accept it will happen and it's keeping with the market, in the same way we expect the pay announcement to keep with the market and match Sainsbury's etc.

This company will never do more than they have to no matter what they say
Still a "thing" in the taxi industry (well certainly the price the customer pays) as an example.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxi-fares/tariffs
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 22-01-24, 03:43PM
Isnt extra for weekends a thing for govt bodies still?the same government that sets nlw,cant wait to drop saturday nights if sunday premium goes
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-01-24, 07:38PM
Quote from: barafear on 22-01-24, 02:19PM
Quote from: ExSMfloor on 22-01-24, 07:32AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 16-01-24, 08:09AMWhen I was growing up in the 70's nothing opened on a Sunday, so when Sunday trading started stores offered double time to get people to work as shifts were a struggle to feel....

However anyone born since 2000 treats Sunday as just another day and as such don't see it as special. I doubt any store would have issues recruiting Sunday only colleagues now.

Bottom line is why pay a premium to existing staff when the business could easily hire new staff to do the same role at less cost?

Sunday premium will be going....the only question is when
I have to agree fully here. Sunday premium is not, and has not been a thing in the sector and many others for a number of years now.

While I feel sorry for those impacted the most, eg those contracted full shifts or drivers contracted 9/10 hours, we have to be realistic and accept it will happen and it's keeping with the market, in the same way we expect the pay announcement to keep with the market and match Sainsbury's etc.

This company will never do more than they have to no matter what they say
Still a "thing" in the taxi industry (well certainly the price the customer pays) as an example.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxi-fares/tariffs
These sort of fringe benefits and enhanced pay arrangements will usually be based on how difficult it is to recruit as well as industry standards, in the case with taxi drivers, I think it's a bit of an exception and more to do with it being a government organisation, I know private taxi firms and Uber drivers don't get extra pay (well, not time and a half) for working Sundays.

In Retail though, Tesco has done well to keep Sunday premium a thing, but I think understandably it is too expensive to maintain now because of how much minimum wage has gone up as well as the factor that there isn't enough of a supply problem to consider keeping it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jacks on 23-01-24, 12:15PM
https://employeebenefits.co.uk/lidl-gb-gives-pay-rise-to-26000-hourly-paid-employees/

Well done Lidl
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 23-01-24, 12:41PM
In terms of the Lidl announcement - fairly limited/unremarkable - nice of them to quote that their starting rate will be "up to 17% above the forthcoming NLW" - obviously that is only for London staff - clearly they don't want to compare their wage to the Real Living Wage Foundation London Min Wage (£13.15) - so Lidl's £13.55 would barely be 3% above that.

Notice a £2 enhancement for BH working - presumably this is from a flat-pay starting point - so wonder if they are struggling to persuade/force staff to work BH.

And £3.50 an hour for night work - and extending the range by an hour.

It seems clear that £12 will be the general benchmark - so the forthcoming announcement from Tesco should not bring too many surprises.

Reading comments on the ourT website (in reply to the Q3/Christmas trading statement) - as someone else pointed out - general feelings/requests for a bonus to be paid to GA/colleagues - and additional discounts (increase colleague discount to 15% all the time or increase payday to 20%) - of course, if you don't ask you don't get - but generally Tesco will simply pay minimal lip service - and our total pay package will be as expected.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 23-01-24, 01:33PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 22-01-24, 07:38PM
Quote from: barafear on 22-01-24, 02:19PM
Quote from: ExSMfloor on 22-01-24, 07:32AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 16-01-24, 08:09AMWhen I was growing up in the 70's nothing opened on a Sunday, so when Sunday trading started stores offered double time to get people to work as shifts were a struggle to feel....

However anyone born since 2000 treats Sunday as just another day and as such don't see it as special. I doubt any store would have issues recruiting Sunday only colleagues now.

Bottom line is why pay a premium to existing staff when the business could easily hire new staff to do the same role at less cost?

Sunday premium will be going....the only question is when
I have to agree fully here. Sunday premium is not, and has not been a thing in the sector and many others for a number of years now.

While I feel sorry for those impacted the most, eg those contracted full shifts or drivers contracted 9/10 hours, we have to be realistic and accept it will happen and it's keeping with the market, in the same way we expect the pay announcement to keep with the market and match Sainsbury's etc.

This company will never do more than they have to no matter what they say
Still a "thing" in the taxi industry (well certainly the price the customer pays) as an example.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxi-fares/tariffs
These sort of fringe benefits and enhanced pay arrangements will usually be based on how difficult it is to recruit as well as industry standards, in the case with taxi drivers, I think it's a bit of an exception and more to do with it being a government organisation, I know private taxi firms and Uber drivers don't get extra pay (well, not time and a half) for working Sundays.

In Retail though, Tesco has done well to keep Sunday premium a thing, but I think understandably it is too expensive to maintain now because of how much minimum wage has gone up as well as the factor that there isn't enough of a supply problem to consider keeping it.
In the big picture.
recruiting and training cost an absolute packet, not just in initial costs but the productivity of new starts as well vs longer term staff.

In a market where the entry level can pretty much jump from company to company (look at what happened in distribution pickers just moved from whoever was paying the most)    why not pay just a little more than the "pack" to retain people.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-01-24, 02:09PM
Recruitment and training costs more and are more of a concern for positions where the supply and demand equation isn't so weighted towards supply.

I think I read somewhere that the average staff turnover for Retail as an industry is 200%, meaning that on average, staff are replaced twice in one year. This was from a few years ago but can't imagine that figure improving much.

But it is precisely the loss of leverage this imbalance brings which is why they can scrap these pay enhancements with relative impunity.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 23-01-24, 02:41PM
N&D yes but someone is getting to be decent by 6 months. if they leave yes the number is easyly replaced but the productivity isnt.
I could get a dairy team of 5 experienced people to complete a 22 cage delivery in 18.75 hours (5x 3.75 hour shifts)

give me 3 experienced people and 5 new starts and it wouldnt get done.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 23-01-24, 05:49PM
Lidl GB said the move will see its 26,000 hourly-paid staff receive some of the highest rates of pay in the sector.
From March 1, the discounter's entry level rates will increase from £11.40 to £12.00 outside of the M25, rising to £13.00 with length of service. Meanwhile, those working within the M25 will see pay rates rise from £12.85 to £13.55, increasing to £13.85 over time. These new entry level rates will be up to 17 per cent higher than the National Minimum Wage being introduced in April, the supermarket said.
The statement added: "The move represents an investment of more than £37m and includes increases for salaried colleagues across the business."
The discounter is also introducing a bank holiday premium of £2.00 per hour and will enhance its nightshift premium to £3.50 per hour, while also extending the timeframe in which it is payable by one hour.
though Lidl makes you work hard for your money, they treat the staff better.tesco could learn a thing or two from that.its tesco staff who do the great hard work and make them their big profits.yet they see fit not give the staff a nice bonus for all the hard work they do each day.it speaks for it,s self no wonder they struggle to keep staff, i,m one off the lucky ones who will soon retire.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 23-01-24, 07:04PM
The problem with a bonus is that people "always" want more - I'm not suggesting that's bad - but ultimately, even when we were "entitled" to a possible bonus, the max it would be was 5% of earnings over a set period - for most "part timers" - let's say 25 hours per week - their annual pay would be around £14k - so 5% = £700 - less tax,NI and pension - and you might be lucky to get £500. Of course - a tidy sum - but of course, that's assuming the max 5% payout - I'm sure I remember one year we got 2% or maybe 2.5% - so that would equate to about half that amount.
Now I'm not saying it's not welcome - but it's nothing compared to the story on here about store managers getting £60k -

I am definitely not advocating that the deal done to "roll any possible bonus" into our base pay was good - it certainly was a farce - as our base pay would have risen over a short period of time due to the NLW increase -

I guess what we all want is to feel valued - and for most of us that's not the case - and having a table full of "value food" to eat for free on the table in the canteen isn't really going to cut it either - although some people seem to have developed a taste for it!!

Ultimately Tesco is a business with a lot of employees - therefore ultimately most of us simply become a "number" - and once someone decides that cost costing is required then that number simply becomes a smaller number.

When the results are announced in a few weeks, it will be the same old language - how we're doing our best to keep prices down for our customers and also treating our staff with the biggest pay deal in history -

conveniently leaving out a few details such as:

Well we've only had to up their pay due to wage inflation over the last year leading to the largest ever increase in the NLW.


Oh and by the way, whilst we've been slashing our prices to help customers, we've also made £2.75bn profit

And in a few weeks time you'll find out how much Ken and his fellow board members get as bonuses -
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 23-01-24, 08:01PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 23-01-24, 05:49PMthough Lidl makes you work hard for your money, they treat the staff better.tesco could learn a thing or two from that.its tesco staff who do the great hard work and make them their big profits.yet they see fit not give the staff a nice bonus for all the hard work they do each day.it speaks for it,s self no wonder they struggle to keep staff, i,m one off the lucky ones who will soon retire.
Out of interest, what makes Lidl so much better?

Surely it's their staff who make their top dogs their big profits?

As far as I'm aware they don't pay a yearly bonus!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 23-01-24, 10:12PM
Year ago Lidl and Aldi payed ALOT more than the big 4    but the store assistants were proper hardcore. It was a workout. Now they are much more dialed back with similar calibre of staff as the big boys
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 24-01-24, 05:44PM
And don't forget Tesco will put up to 7.5% into your pension bag every pay day, something Aldi / Lidl don't. Your money is invested by Legal & General and can be accessed at 55yrs. All things considered, there's very little in it now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jonty on 24-01-24, 07:42PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/business/morrisons-scraps-fourday-week-after-staff-complain-about-working-weekends-b2483382.html
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 24-01-24, 08:01PM
Quote from: Teddybonkers on 24-01-24, 05:44PMAnd don't forget Tesco will put up to 7.5% into your pension bag every pay day, something Aldi / Lidl don't. Your money is invested by Legal & General and can be accessed at 55yrs. All things considered, there's very little in it now.
only if you put in 7.5 % your self,but they will invest for you with a warning that it can gain or lose. and thats Legal & General,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 24-01-24, 10:17PM
Quote from: jonty on 24-01-24, 07:42PMhttps://www.independent.co.uk/business/morrisons-scraps-fourday-week-after-staff-complain-about-working-weekends-b2483382.html
Not really that relevant, it was head office colleagues only and involved going from Monday-Friday to working one in four Saturdays. Of course it wasn't going to be popular!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jonty on 24-01-24, 10:41PM
Sorry mr fun police. I posted it tongue in cheek... people who work in retail not wanting to work on Saturdays.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 25-01-24, 12:02PM
Quote from: JJH on 24-01-24, 10:17PM
Quote from: jonty on 24-01-24, 07:42PMhttps://www.independent.co.uk/business/morrisons-scraps-fourday-week-after-staff-complain-about-working-weekends-b2483382.html
Not really that relevant, it was head office colleagues only and involved going from Monday-Friday to working one in four Saturdays. Of course it wasn't going to be popular!
Hed office who don't have  clue about how a store works 7 days a week and arn't contactable on 2 of those days.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 25-01-24, 12:40PM
Quote from: Teddybonkers on 24-01-24, 05:44PMAnd don't forget Tesco will put up to 7.5% into your pension bag every pay day, something Aldi / Lidl don't. Your money is invested by Legal & General and can be accessed at 55yrs. All things considered, there's very little in it now.
Should increase the match rate to 10%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 25-01-24, 12:54PM
Quote from: jonty on 24-01-24, 10:41PMSorry mr fun police. I posted it tongue in cheek... people who work in retail not wanting to work on Saturdays.
How would anyone know it was tongue in cheek?  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 25-01-24, 01:07PM
Quote from: jonty on 24-01-24, 10:41PMSorry mr fun police. I posted it tongue in cheek... people who work in retail not wanting to work on Saturdays.
Tesco pay 2024
8,748 people who work at Tesco have taken the Breakroom Quiz. Here's everything they told us about pay per hour, pay by age, and more.

How much do Tesco pay per hour?
This table shows how pay rates at Tesco compare across the different types of jobs they offer.

Job   Tesco pay
Customer assistant
211 jobs
£11.00-11.75 per hour
Manager
181 jobs
£26.0k-41.0k per year
Delivery driver
189 jobs
£11.20-12.60 per hour
Shift leader
400 jobs
£12.37-14.16 per hour
Warehouse operative
1 job
£11.00-14.91 per hour
Stock controller   
£9.39-11.02 per hour
Dot com
2 jobs
£9.50-11.25 per hour
Team member
90 jobs
£9.10-11.02 per hour
Baker
10 jobs
£9.50-11.82 per hour
HGV driver   
£13.07-18.00 per hour
Wage clerk   
£9.96-13.02 per hour
Home delivery driver   
£10.33-12.37 per hour
Maintenance technician
10 jobs
£10.87-12.50 per hour
Customer service
189 jobs
£9.96-12.46 per hour

What do Tesco pay different age groups?
This table shows how hourly pay rates at Tesco vary between age groups.

Age group   Tesco pay per hour   Legal minimum wage
16-17   £10.30-11.44 per hour   £5.28
18-20   £10.65-12.49 per hour   £7.49
21-22   £11.02-13.41 per hour   £10.18
23 and over   £11.02-16.40 per hour   £10.42
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jonty on 25-01-24, 02:33PM
Quote from: JJH on 25-01-24, 12:54PM
Quote from: jonty on 24-01-24, 10:41PMSorry mr fun police. I posted it tongue in cheek... people who work in retail not wanting to work on Saturdays.
How would anyone know it was tongue in cheek?  :D
They don't really need to know.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 25-01-24, 07:31PM
There was a break room quiz? Didn't even kmow about that one, but considering there's what? A couple hundred thousand colleagues only 8k took part says a lot....
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BobbyDazler on 26-01-24, 07:58PM
We will defo go to 12.20 in my honest opinion. The question is however what do we lose to get that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 27-01-24, 12:51AM
Let's hope it's the free food in canteen
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 28-01-24, 12:54PM
I think nothing will be gone to deliver that, Sunday premium will probably go back to £1-£2 extra an hour fixed like it did 10 years ago in Express, (so a downgrade of the premium).

Free food in the canteen, depends on what it is, back when I was Shift Leader we used to get bakery products, baguettes, sandwich filling, tea, coffee and fruit in the staff room, if that's still the case, I think many would prefer the downgrade to Sunday premo, it's not been an industry standard for a while now, Tesco will give up the goose at some point.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: inthemix on 29-01-24, 02:16PM
"Tesco will give up the goose at some point." How does the type of poultry Tesco sells have any bearing on this?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 29-01-24, 06:54PM
Do Tesco sell Geese? I can't remember ever selling one on the till.....or seeing one whilst loading/unloading/picking/packing or whatever our new multi skilled role consists of. We don't have dot com....so guess I don't do much of that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 29-01-24, 07:41PM
We had them a couple of years ago they were over 60pounds each.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 30-01-24, 02:16PM
Did they lay golden eggs?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Babs on 31-01-24, 10:29PM
I was told we'll find out our new pay rise, will be Announced beginning of February... so any time now!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sonapuppy1 on 02-02-24, 08:34AM
Hopefully  , but as usual ' we are always last to know '
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 02-02-24, 05:07PM
Been told by a manager definitely £12.20
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 02-02-24, 06:56PM
Il beleive it when I see it I done my what matters to u nonsense video thingy few weeks back when they try portraying Tesco as a amazing place  the senior manager said then she was told wage negotiations had finished
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sonapuppy1 on 04-02-24, 06:32PM
Yup , your right 1982 dave .
We are the smallest Cog in the tesco system . Seriously  underpaid.  Not appreciated.  Taken for granted ..  The bigger the pay rise the better . As for our toothless union ' Quiet as the Grave '
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 04-02-24, 09:28PM
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 02-02-24, 05:07PMBeen told by a manager definitely £12.20
What is it currently?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Misery on 04-02-24, 09:43PM
Quote from: madness on 04-02-24, 09:28PM
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 02-02-24, 05:07PMBeen told by a manager definitely £12.20
What is it currently?
£11.02
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 06-02-24, 11:19AM
Last year's Pay review was announced by Tesco on 20 Feb 2023. So are we expecting a similar time frame this year?

Still think some of their "language" was disingenuous.

"Tesco has reached an agreement with USDAW that will significantly increase the hourly pay rate for colleagues in stores by 72p, from £10.30 to £11.02. This represents the third pay increase for these colleagues in the last 10 months and an investment of more than £230 million. The combined investment in hourly pay over the last year is a record £450 million.

To reflect the increasing costs our colleagues are currently facing, this new rate will come into effect from an earlier date of 2 April 2023 and represents a 7% rise in base pay. "

An earlier date? (compared to what - our previous several years of delayed until the Autumn pay rises) - anyway - they had no choice but to raise pay from £10.30 in April (at the latest) due to the NLW rising to £10.42.

So, I'm expecting a similar announcement this year

In terms of the Sunday Premium announcement last year the actual words were:

"Continuing to offer Sunday premiums for colleagues who joined Tesco before 24 July 2022 but changing the rate from 25% to 17% – maintaining the value of Sunday working for those eligible. "

so - maintaining the "value of Sunday working" - not sure exactly what that's supposed to mean - I guess it meant "maintaining the actual hourly rate at £12.89 ph" - rather than "maintaining the premium at 25%.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-02-24, 11:24AM
Let's face it with the Sunday premiums for staff who work it if the rumoured 12£ a hour to 12.20 what's been put on here is correct what would be the point on keeping it as it would work out under 10% of the hourly wage if that magic 12.89 is to go by
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Scojor on 06-02-24, 01:24PM
My understanding is obviously there will be a pay rise because of National wage going up, and to offset the costs then Sunday/Bank Holiday premium will disappear.

Thus making Sunday a normal day to move colleagues into on Right Hours Right Place!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 06-02-24, 01:27PM
Legally as it currently stands you can't be made to work a Sunday hence the Sunday opt out. Unless law changes you can't be scheduled into a Sunday against your will.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 06-02-24, 01:34PM
Quote from: Scojor on 06-02-24, 01:24PMMy understanding is obviously there will be a pay rise because of National wage going up, and to offset the costs then Sunday/Bank Holiday premium will disappear.

Thus making Sunday a normal day to move colleagues into on Right Hours Right Place!
the premium will eventually disappear and when it is taken away you won't be worse off for a Sunday shift, for example if the premium should disappear now you'll still be paid £12.89 ph.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 06-02-24, 02:05PM
Aye if anything they'll get rid of premium but with the increase in minimum, overall you'll still be above what you were before... That'll be how they'll pass it off as a "great benefit" even though it'll be literally pence of a rise.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 06-02-24, 02:37PM
Wages clerk gone in my store as well
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-02-24, 07:47PM
Wonder when the results from the pay negotiations are released?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rfc on 06-02-24, 08:14PM
5th of march
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-02-24, 08:42PM
How did you find that out
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: person7 on 07-02-24, 01:34PM
why 5th of march? bit random tuesday 5th march to tell us what pay rates will be from 1st april, very short notice i need to budget for 12 months ahead and i still no idea what bills i can afford yet as no idea what payrates will be (if they change to just bare minimum wages i have to cancel netflix or be in the red every month due to my rent going up extra £120 a month!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-02-24, 02:31PM
Not convinced that the info about 5th March is accurate.  In theory Tesco might not legally need to pay us the increase until our pay date in April (26 April). So if we did find out on 5th March that might be 52 days before it actually applies. I think it unlikely Tesco would delay any increase that long ( bad publicity) but it appears the legalities around when companies need to comply allow this to happen.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 07-02-24, 02:37PM
I think it was well into April when the previous pay rise kicked in. I remember lots of people complaining that they would be working for less than minimum wage for some of April.

Last year the new pay rate was announced 20th Feb.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-02-24, 03:02PM
It was only April 1st at less than NLW last year as the pay date happened to be on 2 April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 07-02-24, 03:15PM
Ah, I didn't realise. I thought since people were making a fuss about it it must've been later in the month.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 14-02-24, 08:04AM
Still no word of when the payrise is getting announced then?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Garysmith123 on 14-02-24, 09:50AM
They are keeping us all in suspense surely anytime now our guess is £12.05
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Spot1 on 14-02-24, 09:55AM
Pay brief is definitely 5th March  came down from union
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 14-02-24, 10:14AM
Seems like it will only be in pay packet on 26 April. All depend on whether Tesco want it to apply from earlier...for example, we could two weeks at old rate and two weeks at New rate. If they are keeping any sort of BH premium, then I guess they want to skip the Easter weekend before implementing increase
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jacks on 14-02-24, 10:48AM
It was agreed at last years pay deal, going forward 1st April we will start earning the new rate.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 14-02-24, 12:29PM
There seems to be a lot of "agreements" that don't seem to be shared with the wider pool of people it affects.
I don't remember reading that in any official documentation that Tesco produced to announce the 2023 pay review etc.

Am I still right that the only influence from USDAW (or involvement of our fellow staff) is from a small select group of Usdaw reps on a panel? But they feedback the info to USDAW and that gets shared equally amongst all union members - or all staff?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 14-02-24, 03:50PM
In the recent union leaflet, it's says the current Usdaw president works for T*. It even says where she lives, so perhaps check local T* stores to her and ask her in person? You could also mention the partnership agreement
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Murphy01 on 16-02-24, 06:40PM
Quote from: barafear on 07-02-24, 02:31PMNot convinced that the info about 5th March is accurate.  In theory Tesco might not legally need to pay us the increase until our pay date in April (26 April). So if we did find out on 5th March that might be 52 days before it actually applies. I think it unlikely Tesco would delay any increase that long ( bad publicity) but it appears the legalities around when companies need to comply allow this to happen.
It's correct we are having a pay brief on the 5th March in stores and selected locations
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 18-02-24, 05:58PM
Spoke to a few union reps from different stores today. They've all been told March 5th 10am is the official release of the pay briefing.

I reckon £12 an hour with Sunday and Bank Holiday premiums gone.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 18-02-24, 06:56PM
Anyone reckon they might also reduce their max matching % on our pension?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 18-02-24, 07:19PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 18-02-24, 05:58PMSpoke to a few union reps from different stores today. They've all been told March 5th 10am is the official release of the pay briefing.

I reckon £12 an hour with Sunday and Bank Holiday premiums gone.
if it's £12 an hour then Sunday and bank holiday premium will NOT completely gone, the £12.89 per hour you get on those days will remain until the normal hour rate catches up to that value.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 18-02-24, 07:23PM
Can't see they will drop their pension contribution & also don't think the premiums will go completely. Sunday pay for instance is £12.89 (if on £11.02p/h) which I think they will probably keep. Think the pay increase would be between £12 & £12.10 & Sunday pay kept at £12.8[.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 18-02-24, 07:26PM
£12.89
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 19-02-24, 03:23PM
I think they will reduce the night premium instead of being 2.30 an hour to 1.70 an hour extra and that is if they don't remove it fully.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 19-02-24, 03:28PM
Why would they remove night premium?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-02-24, 03:28PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 19-02-24, 03:23PMI think they will reduce the night premium instead of being 2.30 an hour to 1.70 an hour extra and that is if they don't remove it fully.
seems a bit random to reduce from £2.30 to £1.70.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 19-02-24, 03:33PM
They struggle to recruit for nights as it is so i very much doubt they'll reduce or remove the nightshift premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-02-24, 04:06PM
part of the recent Lidl pay agreement was an increase to £3.50 an hour for nights?

"The discounter is also introducing a bank holiday premium of £2.00 per hour and will enhance its nightshift premium to £3.50 per hour, whilst also extending the timeframe in which it is payable by one hour."

Whether a direct comparison with Lidl is reasonable enough I don't know.

Anyway - maybe someone can help me here because I have no clue on our figures:

Firstly, didn't T*** reduce the "time duration" for when night premium was payable recently? Is it now midnight to 6am?

Secondly, purely from what I read on here - surely the amount of night shifts across all stores must have reduced significantly over the past few years given this drive to twilight or day filling? Or has that all backfired and we're back on nights again?

So if it is the latter - then the cost of night premium for T should be falling (given reduced volume) - so not too much of a cost pressure?

And for BH and Sunday - given the introduction of no premiums for new starters from July 2022 should also see a reduction in the cost of paying these premiums (esp. if they are kept to a fixed amount - currently £1.87 an hour for Sundays) should also be falling as more new starters fill these shifts - even more so if they have been "encouraged" to include Sundays within their contracted hours.

It sounds like it's a done deal on the Pay Deal - so why the delay in telling us?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 19-02-24, 04:33PM
Can't see them reducing night premium, recruitment and retention for nights is already difficult, reduction in night premium would impact on both with even less people applying and existing night staff moving to days or other employers with better premiums. They reduced the number of hours for which night premium was payable a few years ago now from 10pm - 6am to midnight to 6am so I can't see them reducing the payable hours further.
If they want to reduce night premium costs then they will just reduce the number of stores with night teams again...though how many there are left now is anyones guess, can't be all that many...my store still has nights but many of us are only there waiting for the sweet release of redundancy should it ever come.
Rest assured though, they won't be giving us a pay rise in the region of £1 an hour without cutting something... Sunday premium seems the most likely candidate to get trimmed in my view
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 19-02-24, 05:26PM
It's all he said she said atm Tesco just need to announce it I work in a extra but know people who work in diff stores but listening to what union rep has said in my store she's adament it's 12£ a hour but at sacrifice of premiums we wait and see but a diff union rep someone else spoke to reckons a staggered pay rise from April to 11.60 then Oct/nov 12 a hour but then premiums have gone... I'm sure last years announcement was made in Feb so why the suspense till march
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-02-24, 06:36PM
I'm not sure whether it was last year or previous, but wasn't there some sort of "leak" and Tesco had to rush it out - felt like longer than a year ago though.
Yes - it does seem weird that unless negotiations were still ongoing that there would be any delay in announcing it?
Albeit Tesco's financial year end is the end of Feb (maybe 26th bizarrely?) - but that really shouldn't have any influence over anything?
I have a feeling it is going to be a staggered increase (again) - if only to give us notice of any change in premiums.....just means "everyone" (people who don't work Sundays and everyone else) will "suffer" for another six months (i.e. getting paid 40-50p per hour less than competitors) and then in November (ish), it will fall heavily on those who work Sundays - but no doubt over a full year, the impact of no premiums for five months (together with the 60p increase from April and a further 40p in Nov) will mean you are no worse off - so no one-off payment!!

However, I have no clue - I only go by my gut and what I read on here -we don't even have a union rep in our store anymore!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-24, 06:50PM
Regarding Night Premiums, I'll personally say they will increase it for colleagues this pay review.
Why you ask, well they are increasing it for night managers, and for all managers they are also increasing the notice period for leaving from 4 weeks notice to 13 weeks from 24th March.
If it's not been briefed to managers today, expect a brief tomorrow.
There is another part to the brief about Managers Bonus too.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 19-02-24, 07:15PM
4 weeks notice to 13 weeks notice!!
That is some jump.
I assume they will be getting financially compensated to agree to this change in their t&cs?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-24, 07:48PM
Only through the annual bonus scheme if you want to call that compensation, and Tesco will have to give them 13 weeks notice of termination of their contracts instead of the usual 4 weeks too!
They are to accept it, there will be no new contract to sign.
As one of the managers said today, what the F*** have they got planned for us later in the year!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 19-02-24, 08:43PM
There are Tesco-Esso fuel sites that require 24/7 operation. They won't reduce night premium as supply and demand prevents them from doing so.

If they were to get rid of any premium or make it less generous, Sunday premium would be first on the chopping block.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: kaled78 on 20-02-24, 07:59AM
im sure they are working on a way to get rid of sickness pay for the first 3 days for long time serving members of staff as well,no doubt it's only a matter of time before usdaw screw us out of that as well :(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-24, 09:22AM
In terms of staff benefits (sick pay from day 1 being one such benefit) they are all up in the air. Over the last few years' pay reviews, T's stance has almost gone 360 degrees. A few years ago they were trying to tell us how great our overall package was incl discount, pension contributions etc and that it added another 50p-£1 to our effective hourly rate. Then they stripped out the bonus and trimmed premiums because they stated staff were more interested in a higher base rate of pay or moreover that that was the easiest element that could be compared to working for a competitor.

So it is only natural to expect that if that trend continues then any "extra" we have could get "amalgamated " into a higher base rate of pay. I have been fearing for a few years that our store's location pay would be reduced or removed. I think only the two new London rates they introduced last year would remain.

Of course, the farcical nonsense of the above strategy is that based on the NLW increases, our base rate of paynwould have gone up by 30% ish over the last four years without any of the reductions they have hit us with!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 20-02-24, 10:46AM
13 weeks notice for managers is harsh if looking for alternate jobs elsewhere,what employer wpuld want to wait 3 monthes,plus thats 3 monthes of the manager thinking i cant be bothered anymore
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 20-02-24, 12:22PM
Exactly my thoughts. Surely it ain't morally right to make someone who wants to leave to come in as normal for the next 3 months.

People leave Tesco for a variety of reasons not just for other jobs often due to either poor health or family commitments. Good luck trying to manage someone who has told you their health is such that they are willing to leave, who is made to work their notice and does F*** All over the following days/weeks.

Other concern I have is, is this change potentially signalling a change in the current enhanced redundancy package for long term employees. 3 months pay for all managers would be a lot cheaper than the current package for those with long service.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 20-02-24, 12:44PM
tesco use to be a good company to work for once upon a time, but no longer the case,its work force will always bear the  brunt, to sum it all up into one word ?( profit) tesco is about to hit every one with a  big bang and we just dont know it yet,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 20-02-24, 01:07PM
4 weeks or 13 weeks, doesn't make a huge amount of difference. There's no incentive to make someone work their full notice.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 20-02-24, 01:17PM
Yeah isn't the legal thing only like 1 week? The say also depends on contract etc but wouldn't it be more a courtesy to the company... Your helping them when you give them notice, screw the 13 weeks, 4 is by far enough, no company is going to want to wait 3 months for you to transfer over in my opinion if you want a job with them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 20-02-24, 01:24PM
Would give them the courtesy of 4 weeks and be up front about the fact I wouldn't be working the full 13
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 20-02-24, 03:07PM
Why is everyone making assumptions that it may go to 13 weeks?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 20-02-24, 03:31PM
Quote from: fatlad on 20-02-24, 03:07PMWhy is everyone making assumptions that it may go to 13 weeks?
It's not an assumption, express SM had a call regarding it last week and I've got home today to a letter detailing changes to the bonus scheme and notice period change. Confirmed, 13 weeks notice both ways
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 20-02-24, 04:54PM
what are the changes to the bonus scheme?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 20-02-24, 05:22PM
The point of extended notice periods traditionally was to aid in the replacement of the resigner, most professional industries have a notice period of anywhere between 1 to 6 months depending on seniority, and industry, 3 months plus usually being reserved for senior managing consultants and above and 6 months at VP level and above.

Extended resignation periods are primarily to help the business manage the effects of supply and demand as well as allowing the business to be more meticulous about recruiting for more senior roles that involve greater strategic oversight and capabilities.

For Tesco, it make no sense for it to apply to Team Managers and above, maybe for WL3+ managers, Superstore Store Managers/Area Managers should be able to be adequately replaced in 1 month.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PM
There are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 20-02-24, 06:07PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 20-02-24, 06:22PM
Quote from: JJH on 20-02-24, 06:07PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.
are you saying you're the only one that deserves the reward? You certainly are coming across arrogant
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 20-02-24, 07:26PM
Quote from: jgerry on 20-02-24, 06:22PM
Quote from: JJH on 20-02-24, 06:07PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.
are you saying you're the only one that deserves the reward? You certainly are coming across arrogant
How on earth have you come to that conclusion from what I said?  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 20-02-24, 08:02PM
at the end of the day we have all been screwed over by tesco and  USDAW may be we need to send a claer to them both enough is enough?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MerchMan007 on 20-02-24, 08:18PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 20-02-24, 08:02PMat the end of the day we have all been screwed over by tesco and  USDAW may be we need to send a claer to them both enough is enough?
Whatever a "claer" is , and how do you propose it happens ?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Beanny on 20-02-24, 08:57PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PM
If the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 21-02-24, 12:05AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 21-02-24, 12:27AM
Give it time, you'll probably lose the bonus, be dropped down to like team support style with less pay but same job and then given that "extra pay" that we all get where we don't meet Minimum Wage the following year, and its often split over 2 segments whilst also losing a prime benefit...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:45AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AM
Has anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 21-02-24, 05:48AM
Quote from: madness on 21-02-24, 12:05AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.
I do strongly feel your reply suggests you see your team
(Assuming your a manager by your reply) as lazy thieves who dont deserve a proper wage, all the increases to ga wages have been on the shirt tails of the minimum wage and there are/ have been managers who have stolen from Tesco or been dishonest.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Smiley1327 on 21-02-24, 08:49AM
Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
£1000 extra a year, so be £5000 night premium per year from May.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lfcni1986 on 21-02-24, 10:38AM
Quote from: madness on 21-02-24, 12:05AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.
Very arragont attitude to have. I can honestly say I have a great team, who would regularly pull me out of holes regarding sick calls etc and can be trusted to complete any next steps, look after the department in my absence.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 21-02-24, 11:37AM
Quote from: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:45AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?
Assuming the above question relates to "all colleagues/GAs/Grade B/C staff" - then the answer would be that the only "performance being reviewed" would be the company's ability to be legal and pay staff the NLW?

Of course, just because non-management staff do not get annual performance reviews which then link to part/all of their salary/bonus does not mean that their performance is not reviewed (or certainly should be by their managers) by way of Let's Talks/other disciplinary methods/training/communication about what's expected or how to correct any errors made/encouragement (to work more efficiently/accurately) - the only main difference as you rightly imply is that "poor performance" would have no detrimental effect on a GA's pay - but if it did, then the company would be breaking the law by paying less than NLW.

The way I see it - in theory a manager's base salary should be a competitive package for which any manager is happy to apply/join - any PRP element in terms of what pay rise or bonus their performance translates into would simply be "extra" - of course, if a manager were to be so poor that they got no pay rise or bonus based on their performance, then surely they wouldn't be remaining in their position for long anyway?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:01PM
Quote from: barafear on 21-02-24, 11:37AM
Quote from: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:45AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?
The way I see it - in theory a manager's base salary should be a competitive package for which any manager is happy to apply/join - any PRP element in terms of what pay rise or bonus their performance translates into would simply be "extra" - of course, if a manager were to be so poor that they got no pay rise or bonus based on their performance, then surely they wouldn't be remaining in their position for long anyway?
Completely agree with this, I still believe that a lot of manager's salaries are a tad off being competitive
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: filling-machine on 21-02-24, 12:48PM
Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
Lead Nights increasing by £1280 to £6380, Team managers increasing by £1000. Decent at first glance, but it's the first time it's changed in 15 years. If premiums matched inflation then Lead Manager premium would be £7745........
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 21-02-24, 12:50PM
can any one answer this question how many stores still have a night team, and do they lack a full team each night, its common knowledge that tesco struggle to fill night shift vacancy because It's true that Tesco, a major supermarket chain, has faced challenges in filling night shift vacancies. One contributing factor is the reduction in night premiums, which has made night shift jobs less appealing to potential employees. These premiums used to provide additional compensation for working during nighttime hours, but their reduction has impacted the attractiveness of night shifts. some nights we have less staff due to sick or hoildays, some times we are all over the store filling the aisles that know one is on, after doing our own aisle.? the way i see it is tesco has 2  option about night teams get rid of nights and go over to day or twillights fills, but you need the full staff teams to do it, but if you are doing a fill you  could be called away to do some thing eles,then you need the deliverys to be on schedule and on time, but its not alawys the case. or make nights more appealing to  potential employees.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 21-02-24, 01:20PM
Quote from: filling-machine on 21-02-24, 12:48PM
Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
Lead Nights increasing by £1280 to £6380, Team managers increasing by £1000. Decent at first glance, but it's the first time it's changed in 15 years. If premiums matched inflation then Lead Manager premium would be £7745........
I mean... If they work 5 days a week, that's still £4.90 a day extra? Whether that's just the premium and not their salary increase too? That's by far better than what a GA has received over the years... Increases of what £0.03p? Or something per hour? So vastly superior...

As to the one about nights, ours still has a night shift, it's always over hours though, 250 hours over on average, Christmas time usually 400 hours over on average, even though we've had about 11 people leave and not been replaced... We used to have a team of around 40 total a few years back, now we are at 26/28 I believe? Average of about 15 or so on a shift, give or take a few?

The you've ofcourse got the holidays and such and then this period where theres no OT so there's less in too...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 21-02-24, 01:22PM
Night pay has always been poor just over 10 pounds a night to give up sleep and have poor health is not really worth it no wonder they struggle to get staff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: spike_pkh on 21-02-24, 04:46PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 21-02-24, 12:50PMcan any one answer this question how many stores still have a night team, and do they lack a full team each night, its common knowledge that tesco struggle to fill night shift vacancy because It's true that Tesco, a major supermarket chain, has faced challenges in filling night shift vacancies. One contributing factor is the reduction in night premiums, which has made night shift jobs less appealing to potential employees. These premiums used to provide additional compensation for working during nighttime hours, but their reduction has impacted the attractiveness of night shifts. some nights we have less staff due to sick or hoildays, some times we are all over the store filling the aisles that know one is on, after doing our own aisle.? the way i see it is tesco has 2  option about night teams get rid of nights and go over to day or twillights fills, but you need the full staff teams to do it, but if you are doing a fill you  could be called away to do some thing eles,then you need the deliverys to be on schedule and on time, but its not alawys the case. or make nights more appealing to  potential employees.
After doing your own aisle. That right there is the issue. No aisle takes all night, I used to work in a very large extra and outside of seasonal periods there is no reason to be on one aisle all night. Aisles like cereal should take half a night max.

You are right that tesco hasn't made nights appealing to potential employees though so hopefully for the night teams their is an increase in premiums
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Johnzo88 on 21-02-24, 04:49PM
How many nightshifts still have lead managers? Did they not get made redundant last year. Our senior did. Our nightshift usually runs between 15- 20 staff when holidays/sickness is taking into account. Although the norm is about 15 most weeknights.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 21-02-24, 05:07PM
Whilst browsing on ourtesco - found the location pay rates/details - and I wasn't aware of the location pay for Isle of Man - I'm guessing it's because everyone living there is a tax exile and has pots of money and doesn't need to work for the NLW? Sorry - not meant to be derogatory to people who live there!! Or would staff be recruited from the mainland and the location pay covers the cost of a ferry? I really have zero knowledge of how to get to the IOM. Can anyone enlighten me?

There are 6 location pay bands:

Band E: +93p per hour (Inner London – London Boroughs)
Band D: +73p per hour (Inside M25 excluding London Boroughs)
Band C: +68p per hour (typically M25 outer border)
Band B: +45p per hour (typically stores in the South East)
Band A: no location pay (Rest of the UK)
IOM: +83p per hour (Isle of Man)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mersey1 on 21-02-24, 09:45PM
Shift leaders are practically managers. Surely they are eligible for the bonus scheme too?!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: TheAnonymousWorker on 22-02-24, 02:33AM
Quote from: Mersey1 on 21-02-24, 09:45PMShift leaders are practically managers. Surely they are eligible for the bonus scheme too?!
No, Shift Leaders are not salaried, just like Tesco Colleagues and Team Supports, so they do not receive a bonus, only Team Managers and above get bonuses.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: redeo on 22-02-24, 02:46AM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 18-02-24, 05:58PMSpoke to a few union reps from different stores today. They've all been told March 5th 10am is the official release of the pay briefing.

I reckon £12 an hour with Sunday and Bank Holiday premiums gone.
Won't be gone like that. A rumour at my store is Sunday and Bank Holidays will be protected for 18-24 months then they will go. Tesco will need time to hire some new stuff because there like 40% of staff working checkouts at my store are only doing it for sunday premium an aren't contracted. I know they will need to two new team leaders for sunday as neither of our current ones are contracted and only do it for the premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 22-02-24, 03:55AM
Also a lot of bakers may drop Sundays as well so that's another one added to the list.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 22-02-24, 02:03PM
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 20-02-24, 10:46AM13 weeks notice for managers is harsh if looking for alternate jobs elsewhere,what employer wpuld want to wait 3 monthes,plus thats 3 monthes of the manager thinking i cant be bothered anymore
What happens if a night manager leaves then before 13 weeks notice?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 22-02-24, 02:12PM
f a night manager decides to leave before the 13-week notice period, there are a few important points to consider:

Notice Period:
Generally, when an employee resigns, they are required to provide notice to their employer. The length of the notice period depends on various factors, including the employment contract and local regulations.
In the United Kingdom, if you've been in your job for more than a month, you must give at least one week's notice1. However, specific notice periods can vary based on individual contracts.
Negotiating Notice Period:
While your contract may specify a certain notice period, it's possible to negotiate with your employer to reduce it.
Some employees have successfully negotiated shorter notice periods, especially if both parties agree that it's not in anyone's interest for the employee to work the full notice.
This negotiation could result in gardening leave, where the employer instructs the employee not to work part or all of their notice period. This is often done to prevent access to sensitive or confidential information that could be used in a new job2.
Unfair Dismissal:
If an employer insists on making an employee leave earlier than their notice period, it technically counts as sacking the employee.
In such cases, the employee should check if they can claim unfair dismissal.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 22-02-24, 05:46PM
Are Pharmacy managers hard to recruit?

From Sky News:


Other "signing on" bonuses outside of healthcare include...

£1,200 for a coach driver at Megabus
£6,000 for a pharmacy manager at Tesco"
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 22-02-24, 06:27PM
I think they're hard to retain, if they're not fussy about the hours they work then being a locum is far more lucrative
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 22-02-24, 06:50PM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Tescos bonus scheme is generous, but I must say the crab mentality between hourly paid store colleagues and salaried managers in the store part of the business is mostly unwarranted, the majority of them earn below the average salary, the bonus would put them just above it in a lot of cases.

Hourly paid CA's I'd say should get some recognition for work, maybe a performance related bonus, Shift Leaders are managers in all but name and definitely should get a bonus (Express ones anyway, SS ones are glorified shelf fillers).

Store side managers are paid a lot less than their non-store based counterparts.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 23-02-24, 11:26AM
How do you performance rate someone sitting on a checkout? speed of items put through will equal less customer service, going for service feedback will result in fake reviews from family and friends.
Fillers on the ailes x ammount of cages per shift thy will just avoid rotation (more than they do now) and ram stuff on the shelf.
Hourly paid colleagues are expected to achieve a minimum base level of work. Hit that and you dont get managed out. And that bar is VERY low.

Managers need to hit impossible targets for shrink, fill expectations all of which are usually caused by stock not coming in the back door anyway.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-02-24, 12:07PM
its always been of my opinion that a lot if not most of shrink is stuff which doesn't even arrive at the stores
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 23-02-24, 12:12PM
Agreed I'm going back a few years 2018-2019 the one modern stocktake my store and others in  area were thousands of pounds down but local depot aparently was up a hell of a lot of money
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-02-24, 12:13PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 18-02-24, 05:58PMSpoke to a few union reps from different stores today. They've all been told March 5th 10am is the official release of the pay briefing.

I reckon £12 an hour with Sunday and Bank Holiday premiums gone.
i think it's a total lack of respect towards staff of any company not to be paid a premium for sunday work. company greed plays the part in that
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 23-02-24, 12:24PM
The culture at Tesco has gone very soft. GAs cannot be performance managed anymore. Fear of pulling the mental health card and the protector line.  Also departments are manned to an absolute minimum in most store so if you upset a colleague and they go off long term sick you are stuffed.

I am a GA. Been with the company for almost 2 decades. Used to be a team leader for a few years until the role was cut. Used to go above and beyond. Then I woke up and realised I was not thought of or treated any better than colleagues who done the absolute bare minimum.

Now I do the bare minimum. Just enough to keep the wolves off my back. It all depends store to store - in my experience team managers are very well paid. £35K+ a year - No early or late shifts, they have shift leaders now running around running the stores. Team managers rarely seen on the shop floor.

I am aware that not every store is like this but plenty are. The culture at Tesco has drastically changed. Since 2016 with all the role cuts a wealth of experience and leadership has gone out the door.

A lot of GAs are barely making a living, I work in a large superstore 20,000sqft and we only have 2 full time GAs. Produce, GM and H&B all only have 1 colleague working at any given time. There are times in the day when there is actually no one working the department.  There is never any OT, unless there is a visit of course. How can management and Tesco as a company expect loyalty and graft from part time workers. Many of us have second jobs.

Tesco have no choice but to stick with low contracted flexibity working because they simply cannot afford to pay trolley staff £12 an hour for 36.5hrs a week. £438 for collecting trolleys having a laugh.

It's not going to get any better. Enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-02-24, 12:31PM
i think "cannot afford" is the wrong wording to use  8-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Teddybonkers on 23-02-24, 01:38PM
"Can't afford to pay (trolley) staff 12 quid an hour" :D . You must be having a laugh. They're only making a Billion+ clear profit every year. I'm afraid you must be the one going soft ! 8-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 23-02-24, 04:01PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 23-02-24, 12:24PMThe culture at Tesco has gone very soft. GAs cannot be performance managed anymore. Fear of pulling the mental health card and the protector line.  Also departments are manned to an absolute minimum in most store so if you upset a colleague and they go off long term sick you are stuffed.

I am a GA. Been with the company for almost 2 decades. Used to be a team leader for a few years until the role was cut. Used to go above and beyond. Then I woke up and realised I was not thought of or treated any better than colleagues who done the absolute bare minimum.

Now I do the bare minimum. Just enough to keep the wolves off my back. It all depends store to store - in my experience team managers are very well paid. £35K+ a year - No early or late shifts, they have shift leaders now running around running the stores. Team managers rarely seen on the shop floor.

I am aware that not every store is like this but plenty are. The culture at Tesco has drastically changed. Since 2016 with all the role cuts a wealth of experience and leadership has gone out the door.

A lot of GAs are barely making a living, I work in a large superstore 20,000sqft and we only have 2 full time GAs. Produce, GM and H&B all only have 1 colleague working at any given time. There are times in the day when there is actually no one working the department.  There is never any OT, unless there is a visit of course. How can management and Tesco as a company expect loyalty and graft from part time workers. Many of us have second jobs.

Tesco have no choice but to stick with low contracted flexibity working because they simply cannot afford to pay trolley staff £12 an hour for 36.5hrs a week. £438 for collecting trolleys having a laugh.

It's not going to get any better. Enjoy the ride.
I disagree that colleagues pull the so called "mental health card". You've stated yourself that departments are staffed at the bare minimum ... Colleagues are increasingly subjected to unrealistic targets and relentless pressure... especially since the introduction of Work and Pay.
I don't see the company having "gone soft". In fact it's the complete opposite.

That and the erosion of terms and conditions over the last decade or so.

As for fear of colleagues contacting the Protector Line... is it any wonder given the toxic environment that many have to work in? That and the increase in abuse from customers.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 23-02-24, 04:03PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 23-02-24, 04:52PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 20-02-24, 08:02PMat the end of the day we have all been screwed over by tesco and  USDAW may be we need to send a claer to them both enough is enough?
Once again it is the usdaw members who do not respond to say review questionnaire that are the problem I have over 500 staff in my store yet only 23 of then bothered to respond to the day review questionnaire.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 23-02-24, 04:54PM
If GAs are feeling pressured then they need to take a step back. You cannot be performance managed anymore. Only way to be dismissed is gross misconduct or falling foul of the absence policy.

SDs, Store Managers, Team Managers and Shift Leaders are all cutting more corners than Lewis Hamilton, just to keep all their heads above water every day.

Lowest paid colleagues have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 23-02-24, 05:37PM
You can as a GA be managed thru supporting your performance however you need to have constant reviews, be offered coaching and extra training and have reasonable adjustments factored in if you mention any health issue.

Net result hardly anyone bothers to use the policy, and unless the entire store does anyone can claim victimisation.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 23-02-24, 05:50PM
I've not had a review for 13years. I can't even remember the number of managers I've had in that time.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: General Thorn on 23-02-24, 08:44PM
Quote from: Loki on 23-02-24, 04:01PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 23-02-24, 12:24PMThe culture at Tesco has gone very soft. GAs cannot be performance managed anymore. Fear of pulling the mental health card and the protector line.  Also departments are manned to an absolute minimum in most store so if you upset a colleague and they go off long term sick you are stuffed.

I am a GA. Been with the company for almost 2 decades. Used to be a team leader for a few years until the role was cut. Used to go above and beyond. Then I woke up and realised I was not thought of or treated any better than colleagues who done the absolute bare minimum.

Now I do the bare minimum. Just enough to keep the wolves off my back. It all depends store to store - in my experience team managers are very well paid. £35K+ a year - No early or late shifts, they have shift leaders now running around running the stores. Team managers rarely seen on the shop floor.

I am aware that not every store is like this but plenty are. The culture at Tesco has drastically changed. Since 2016 with all the role cuts a wealth of experience and leadership has gone out the door.

A lot of GAs are barely making a living, I work in a large superstore 20,000sqft and we only have 2 full time GAs. Produce, GM and H&B all only have 1 colleague working at any given time. There are times in the day when there is actually no one working the department.  There is never any OT, unless there is a visit of course. How can management and Tesco as a company expect loyalty and graft from part time workers. Many of us have second jobs.

Tesco have no choice but to stick with low contracted flexibity working because they simply cannot afford to pay trolley staff £12 an hour for 36.5hrs a week. £438 for collecting trolleys having a laugh.

It's not going to get any better. Enjoy the ride.
I disagree that colleagues pull the so called "mental health card". You've stated yourself that departments are staffed at the bare minimum ... Colleagues are increasingly subjected to unrealistic targets and relentless pressure... especially since the introduction of Work and Pay.
I don't see the company having "gone soft". In fact it's the complete opposite.

That and the erosion of terms and conditions over the last decade or so.

As for fear of colleagues contacting the Protector Line... is it any wonder given the toxic environment that many have to work in? That and the increase in abuse from customers.
Well said. I wasn't sure if SAMCRO was supporting Tesco and all the cutbacks and bullying culture that goes on or was supporting colleagues who have seen their day to day work getting harder and less achievable. My dept used to have 3 or 4 people working twilight but now there is just 1 and the same amount of work to do. No wonder people have a 'do what I can and never mind the rest' attitude.

I don't agree that the company has 'gone soft' but whatever is wrong with working for a company that values you and does not have unrealistic demands made of you. You should not come to work to be stressed and abused by customers.

As for Tesco not being able to afford to pay £438 a week for someone to collect trollies, you're having a laugh. Every colleague in Tesco is important and would be well worth that. Sadly very few are on full time hours so could only dream about earning that amount.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 24-02-24, 06:03AM
I do wonder why we haven't adopted the aldi/lidl model of you want a trolley you collect it yourself.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 24-02-24, 06:44AM
whether this is correct i dunno i just threw into ai.. lol,

they gave a 7% increase before and that cost them 230m they said, so if they did the same again of 7% so the wage was £11.79 thats again most likely another £230m, for what they say of about 300k colleagues, if they increased it to £12.00 per hour, that's an increase instead of 8.89% which would cost them it seems £250m?  so a difference of 20million... literally change of what they spend on useless stuff to be honest.

also in regards to the aldi/lidl model of collect yourself.. you kinda do in a lot of stores... most have trolley points outside not in now, you go grab a trolley with a coin which makes people put the trolleys back in the spots, whereas your bigger ones usually just have trolley people putting them closer to the door, so they could ideally switch over to the coins in all and that'd probably save them too for the ASBO issues with kids and replacement issues with people just throwing them here there and everywhere..

in terms of the managing your performance, its a legal thing too that a company has to show they've tried everything, typically it can take up to a YEAR to actually get someone out based on performance, because it's not just about "oh they are terrible  lets sack them" its a case of "oh balls, is everything followed by the book, is everything done right, is it actually something everyone can do", "do they need extra help? if so why haven't they been offered it"

there is MANY things a company has to cover themselves on, it's not just the "OH NO, MY MENTAL HEALTH" - The Company definitely contributes though a HELL of a lot to peoples terrible mental health etc but it's more about EQUALITY of trying to find SOMETHING for them before the last case being sacking... so yes.. its a LONG long LOOOOOOOONG process with a lot of steps to try and follow and any screwup leaves the not only the company to a Settlement / lawsuit, but also impact the Management doing it etc cause they'll be the ones taking the blame... All without the media being involved.. if they get involved then that's not going to end well at all either...

So RIP to whoever has to do it for someone, but also with how the company is and puts people in the situation, the only way it's going to go is for the employee in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 27-02-24, 01:42PM
M&S staff getting £12 per hour from April
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 27-02-24, 03:05PM
Gotta be the same for us in next week's announcement. Its now Aldi, Lidl, Sainsburys & M&S who have gone to £12 in either Feb or March so would look very bad on Tesco if they don't at least match it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 27-02-24, 03:13PM
thats when tesco will drop the bomb shell on us 5th march 10am >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 27-02-24, 04:56PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 27-02-24, 03:13PMthats when tesco will drop the bomb shell on us 5th march 10am >:D
Can't believe someone in the know hasn't leaked the deal yet.
Unless they've actually been waiting for everyone else to make an announcement before making a final decision!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 27-02-24, 05:13PM
If it's less than £12 morale just might hit an all time low. I would not be surprised if that was the case. Remember Tesco always like to try and convince us that our "Total reward package and benefits are better than the competition".
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 27-02-24, 05:36PM
Would I be supprised if it was under 12£ a hour no ... saying that I'm anticipating the 12£ a hour but Sunday and bank hol premiums gone to cover it
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Garysmith123 on 27-02-24, 06:34PM
If what we are hearing is true Tesco are going to beat all other supermarkets
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 27-02-24, 06:43PM
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 27-02-24, 06:34PMIf what we are hearing is true Tesco are going to beat all other supermarkets
like it was many years ago! I'm old school
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 27-02-24, 06:45PM
no chance, even if they did, they will take away some thing else. :thumbup:  >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 27-02-24, 07:08PM
I've not heard a peep about beating the other supermarkets and when was the last time we did lol 2 union reps have told me diff 12£ with premiums gone but another said staggered payrise 11.60 from April till 12£ in Oct Nov  but we have to wait and see you can guarantee if it gets leaked anywhere then Tesco will announce it or are they waiting for Asda aren't Asda usdaw aswell
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 27-02-24, 07:57PM
Don't think they have the option to stagger the pay increase not now that everyone else is going straight to £12
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 27-02-24, 09:21PM
Quote from: jgerry on 27-02-24, 06:43PM
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 27-02-24, 06:34PMIf what we are hearing is true Tesco are going to beat all other supermarkets

We're not hearing anything yet. It's all speculation!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 28-02-24, 09:21AM
It needs to be more than £12/hr for them to be able to justify the "you traded in your bonus for higher basic pay" rubbish they keep repeating whenever anyone mentions the bonus we lost.  Anything less than £12 would be utterly pathetic from both Tesco and the union and I would hope that people would be quite vocal about it if that was the case.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BarryZola on 28-02-24, 09:52AM
And it needs to be a payrise immediately, not this 'wait until September' rubbish. If they try that it's going to be 'minimum wage, minimum effort' etc.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 28-02-24, 11:03AM
12£ hour isn't too much to ask and yes especially when we apparently balloted to get batter pay rises for the loss of our bonus lol well done union with that .. would I be supprised if it was 11.60-11.80 staggered not one bit .. am I right in thinking Sainsbury is from first next month and that includes Argos and haven't they backdated the payrise aswell ..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 28-02-24, 12:52PM
Quote from: BarryZola on 28-02-24, 09:52AMAnd it needs to be a payrise immediately, not this 'wait until September' rubbish. If they try that it's going to be 'minimum wage, minimum effort' etc.
Unlikely, minibobs is going up higher than £11.02 from April and Tesco has historically never been an intentional minimum wage payer (not including the now defunct starter/established rates of pay). If they did choose to go to the minimum until an arbitrary month, you'd have shareholder concerns about the welfare of staff (Sainsbury's shareholders revolted over Sainsbury's pay being too low), staff jumping ship to a higher payer and the PR ramifications of how the UK's largest retailer isn't paying competitively, It would do a lot more harm than good to the business.

Edit, quoted the wrong comment.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 28-02-24, 04:12PM
I don't think that the outcome will come as any surprise - as someone mentioned on this site a few years ago, it's a race to the bottom - and all the players appear to be determined to dead heat for that race - we seem to have settled on a position (with all retailers) on a rate of approx 5% above the official NLW - although many of them are now claiming to pay/match the "Real Living Foundation Wage" - just happens to be £12 and approx 5% higher than the official NLW.

The remaining things are just playing around with things at the edges - I notice M&S came out with improved maternity/paternity packages - but I think T did that last year - Aldi mentions it is the only retailer to offer paid breaks - and at the mo, T is the only one to pay Sunday premium (I note that Lidl mentioned a BH premium - I don't know whether other retailers still offer BH premiums) -

So in summary, it seems that T will join the £12 crowd - and potentially/probably remove some of our premiums/erode it further - and then they are simply matching what the others do - so we're price matching Aldi - and soon all retailers will be salary-matching everyone else!!

All rather boring really.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Rumblerumble on 28-02-24, 05:01PM
Can't believe this hasn't been leaked yet
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 28-02-24, 05:29PM
Expect premium cuts such as nights bank holiday 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NotPaidToThink on 28-02-24, 05:40PM
Night premium in this company is already pathetic, and with the increase to managers night premium it's highly doubtful a cut to that premium will happen! It's more likely to be increased and if not night teams will be well within their rights to severely disgruntled.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 28-02-24, 11:49PM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 28-02-24, 05:01PMCan't believe this hasn't been leaked yet
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Quote from: Rumblerumble on 28-02-24, 05:01PMCan't believe this hasn't been leaked yet
I would say it hasn't been leaked, because it's not yet finalised. They may be waiting for everyone else to announce there's and then pay 1p more. Then they can claim Tesco is the best!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: overworkedexpresslad on 29-02-24, 07:57PM
So its about time shift leaders in express were paid more than shift leaders in large formats. we do way more than other shift leaders and are under paid mangers. i would love for a shift leader from large to come and run express for a week and see what they have to say!!!! now speaking of the pay rise. i believe managers have a call on 10am Tuesday morning but hopefully it will get leaked out over the weekend!!! someone must know.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 29-02-24, 08:07PM
I really don't think I'll this anticipation is worth it. There's very few things that might happen that would shock most of us.....probably going to be about £12 an hour, Sunday premium likely to be gone by Christmas if not sooner. BH premium may survive a bit longer but likely to be reduced from 25%. And I am fearing a cut to location pay for anywhere outside London.


If it is vastly different to the above, I'll happily come back and eat humble pie.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 01-03-24, 10:50AM
Asda have just said there paying £12.04
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 01-03-24, 11:15AM
Interestingly, in regards to the above Asda pay offer... "Shopworkers' union Usdaw is recommending that their members accept the offer at a vote later this month." ... so they still get a say in whether to accept it or not, whereas we're just told "this is what you're getting... and this is what we're taking back for you to have it."
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 01-03-24, 12:09PM
Interesting too that it will come into effect from 1st July with an interim rise to £11.44 on 1st April to be in line with minimum wage.
This could leave the door open for Tesco to do similar.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 01-03-24, 12:52PM
Is it just me, or are their staff being robbed with that deal?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 01-03-24, 01:01PM
That is a rough deal for Asda workers, having to wait 4 months for the raise and working for minimum wage in the meantime. I am excited to learn what Tesco announce on March 5th, it will be interesting.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 01-03-24, 01:13PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 12:52PMIs it just me, or are their staff being robbed with that deal?
It's just you!
What are they being robbed of?
While it's a bit mean, Asda are complying and paying the minimum, which is all they are legally required to do. No one is "being robbed"!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 01-03-24, 01:25PM
The improved maternity pay/ paternity pay sounds good but will effect very few staff to really matter, now unless this is due to some law coming in soon the increase to this does put a lot of staff at a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 01-03-24, 01:36PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 01-03-24, 01:13PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 12:52PMIs it just me, or are their staff being robbed with that deal?
It's just you!
What are they being robbed of?
While it's a bit mean, Asda are complying and paying the minimum, which is all they are legally required to do. No one is "being robbed"!
Rival supermarkets are going straight to £12 an hour.

Assuming minimum wage etc changes April next year; so basing it on the 52 week period until potentially the next rise...
The 56p difference between minimum wage and £12 over 52 weeks is higher than the 60p difference between minimum wage and £12.04 over the 39 weeks from 1st July.
So Asda staff will be worse off over the year by not going up to £12 in April like the others are.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MerchMan007 on 01-03-24, 01:43PM
Assuming minimum wage etc changes April next year; so basing it on the 52 week period until potentially the next rise...
The 56p difference between minimum wage and £12 over 52 weeks is higher than the 60p difference between minimum wage and £12.04 over the 39 weeks from 1st July.
So Asda staff will be worse off over the year by not going up to £12 in April like the others are.
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Asda are doing what they are legally required to by increasing pay in accordance with minimum wages , if Asda staff feel they are being "robbed" then they have the same option as Tesco / Sainsbury's / Morrisons etc. etc. staff have , i.e. get a different job .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 01-03-24, 02:09PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 01:36PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 01-03-24, 01:13PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 12:52PMIs it just me, or are their staff being robbed with that deal?
It's just you!
What are they being robbed of?
While it's a bit mean, Asda are complying and paying the minimum, which is all they are legally required to do. No one is "being robbed"!
Rival supermarkets are going straight to £12 an hour.

Assuming minimum wage etc changes April next year; so basing it on the 52 week period until potentially the next rise...
The 56p difference between minimum wage and £12 over 52 weeks is higher than the 60p difference between minimum wage and £12.04 over the 39 weeks from 1st July.
So Asda staff will be worse off over the year by not going up to £12 in April like the others are.
I agree 100%. But no-one is being "robbed"
If they chose to Asda could just put it up to minimum and leave it there.
Then people should leave and go to the higher payer. But they won't!
The majority of staff like to moan, but take no action.
The supermarkets know this, and that's why they got away with it.
If everyone walked away from the lowest payer, then they'd have to become the highest payer.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 01-03-24, 02:32PM
Main reason staff don't leave is that there are few alternatives because as we know, generally when staff leave tesco they rarely get replaced immediately or in full.....e.g. if three staff leave, at best two new starters might get taken on
I didn't initially see the full details of the asda deal, the 11.44 up to 1 July and then 12.04....what's even worse is their press statement on it lauding how they are exceeding the real living wage and will be the highest paying UK retailer!! Most real living wage employers match the rate from April if not earlier ( it gets announced the previous November). And by the time July arrives other retailers may well be higher than Asda.....joke press statement as usual....but expect much the same from tesco.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 01-03-24, 04:16PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 11:15AMInterestingly, in regards to the above Asda pay offer... "Shopworkers' union Usdaw is recommending that their members accept the offer at a vote later this month." ... so they still get a say in whether to accept it or not, whereas we're just told "this is what you're getting... and this is what we're taking back for you to have it."
No it goes via the forums the usdaw reps are supposed to poll the workplace and sumbit it to the forum the problem is the forum process itself
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 01-03-24, 08:42PM
I'm even more convinced we will get a staggered pay rise now I've seen what has happened with Asda usdaw being there union ..it's funny that usdaw have advised the Asda staff to accept that offer when aparently usdaw according to the lady on phone in union office stated all Tesco staff were balloted and agreed they would lose their bonus to get a better payrise lol
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 01-03-24, 08:55PM
Asda not getting a pay rise till July won't they be breaking the law by under paying staff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 01-03-24, 09:05PM
they would be breaking the law yes as its past april thats true, it has to be the next payday after they increase minimum wage
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MerchMan007 on 01-03-24, 10:17PM
It's a rise to £11.44 on April 1st with the rest in July , therefore staying within the rules of minimum pay
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 01-03-24, 10:47PM
complete and utter lack of respect to their staff due to corporate greed!! >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 01-03-24, 10:48PM
wouldnt surprise me one bit if tosco did the same
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 01-03-24, 10:51PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 11:15AMInterestingly, in regards to the above Asda pay offer... "Shopworkers' union Usdaw is recommending that their members accept the offer at a vote later this month." ... so they still get a say in whether to accept it or not, whereas we're just told "this is what you're getting... and this is what we're taking back for you to have it."
what the f*** are USDAW on about. it couldnt be any worse >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 02-03-24, 01:42AM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 01-03-24, 10:51PM
Quote from: Raven on 01-03-24, 11:15AMInterestingly, in regards to the above Asda pay offer... "Shopworkers' union Usdaw is recommending that their members accept the offer at a vote later this month." ... so they still get a say in whether to accept it or not, whereas we're just told "this is what you're getting... and this is what we're taking back for you to have it."
what the f*** are USDAW on about. it couldnt be any worse >:(
If Asda staff vote against the deal, they'll just get minimum from April and then have to wait longer for a new deal. So they'll probably end up losing out even more, as Asda are never going to increase the final figure much more than £12.04!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: sonic8610 on 02-03-24, 12:10PM
There are still some stores that have drivers on a supplement, so maybe expect that to be decreased or removed completely.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Voulezvous on 02-03-24, 01:31PM
I always thought Asda used GMB union?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 02-03-24, 06:04PM
tesco will on the 5th march at 10am hit us all with a boom shell,and from what i think they will do is pay us in 2 parts just like asda, >:D i think there will be a lot of unhappy staff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 02-03-24, 06:14PM
Asda pay rise announcement as supermarket to increase basic pay for workers to £12.04
Asda is set to become the highest paying UK supermarket for a starting salary, after announcing a record £150million investment, with hourly pay set to rise from £11.11 an hour to £12.04

Asda workers
Asda is to become highest paying UK supermarket
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 >:D  >:D
Asda has announced a pay rise for 120,000 workers after confirming it will increase basic pay by 8.4% to £12.04 an hour.

The current hourly pay is £11.11 an hour. The pay for workers inside the M25 will rise to £13.21 an hour, up from the current rate of £12.28. The new pay rates will kick in from July 1. It comes as part of a new £150million investment by the supermarket.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PM
I'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 02-03-24, 09:14PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PMI'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either
Another 9ne that's clueless about what the union reps do, why don't you volunteer to step up to be one
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 02-03-24, 11:30PM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 02-03-24, 01:31PMI always thought Asda used GMB union?

I thought there was something weird about the usdaw press release about the Asda pay rise.....

Jayne Allport – Usdaw National Officer says: "We are pleased to have negotiated a pay increase to £12.04, which takes the basic hourly rate above the real Living Wage and meets our demands of at least £12 per hour. This offer from the company will now go to a ballot of Usdaw members covered by our agreements in Northern Ireland and Asda Express, Usdaw is recommending that they accept. Retail staff are key workers in our communities, ensuring that the nation is fed; they deserve our respect and one of the best ways of showing that is with decent pay, particularly in a cost of living crisis."

So only mentions agreements with Northern Ireland and Asda Express......


Where a Google search on Asda Uk stores recognised union tells us it is GMB.....

So I wonder where that leaves this pay offer?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 02-03-24, 11:37PM
This is quite old news but I don't ever remember seeing a link at the time, this relates to Asda's pay rise last year and the changes made to fund it. Sound familiar to us?

https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/12/19/pay-bonus-scheme-asda/
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 03-03-24, 12:20AM
lack of respect and greed. i believe tosco pay rise will be in 2 parts aswell
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 03-03-24, 12:40AM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 02-03-24, 09:14PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PMI'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either
Another 9ne that's clueless about what the union reps do, why don't you volunteer to step up to be one. Who has mentioned reps ?? No one and clueless yes in fact I paid for what exactly for years oh yea usdaw who aparently balloted all of its members who voted to lose there yearly bonus for better pay rises ... and that was said to me by lady on phone in usdaw offices while I was opting out of losing 8-10 a month now I must have missed that vote .. what has the union done for store staff in past 3-5 years exactly ????? 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 03-03-24, 01:34AM
Its up to each of us tesco workers to inform the union that we are not happy in the way they act on our behalf, and if we all told them that we will leave the union and join another union like gmb who I know would not bow down to the mighty tesco.we all can moan but and complain, but let's face facts it's up to us to do some thing about it as a large  voice. Or shut up. The ball is in other court
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 03-03-24, 03:46AM
After 30 years as a member and I was a rep for 5 of those years I left union for being to weak to stand up for us they took away our double time then took away our time and a half everything else is being eroded away soon there will be no premiums as for the benefits package we half I would rather have it in my pay packet a few percentage off holidays and from other companies don't pay the bills . Ie costa coffee,Tui holidays,dunhelm whoever they are ,and many to mention.Rant over.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 03-03-24, 07:51AM
Seems like Asda knows something that Tesco staff are waiting to hear..the payrise! To claim you're  the highest when Tesco doesn't even announce its rates yet and your staff are not been paid that rates yet is getting ahead of yourself..unless as I said Asda knows something we don't..Maybe USDAW tip them off...we'll see in a few days.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 03-03-24, 09:12AM
It's going to be an interesting next 48 hours or so until our rise is announced ... and agreed about the premiums comment madness to think I and others were on more money working a Sunday when we got 7.62 a hour than now ... of course will there be any premiums left after Tuesday's announcement who knows .... Come on Tesco for once shock for the correct reasons and do the 12£ a hour right away not this staggered pay nonsense
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 03-03-24, 11:35AM
Tesco hasn't valued loyalty for a long time. I really think that they also no longer care about being seeing and known as the best amongst the competition when it comes to what they pay their GAs. We haven't been the best paid for quite some time.

Tesco only want cheap flexi colleagues working at GA level. Expendable, cheap GAs who have no entitlement to premiums or decent sick pay.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 03-03-24, 12:43PM
Would be interested to know the % of Tesco staff who are actually in Usdaw. If as I suspect it's way under 50% what right do they have to represent the workforce.....
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 03-03-24, 02:13PM
I know last April / may 30 withdrew from union in my store aparently by end of last year it was closer to 60 had left we had loads of reps coming in asking why everyone was leaving union
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bobmay on 03-03-24, 02:45PM
Quote from: barafear on 28-02-24, 04:12PMI don't think that the outcome will come as any surprise - as someone mentioned on this site a few years ago, it's a race to the bottom - and all the players appear to be determined to dead heat for that race - we seem to have settled on a position (with all retailers) on a rate of approx 5% above the official NLW - although many of them are now claiming to pay/match the "Real Living Foundation Wage" - just happens to be £12 and approx 5% higher than the official NLW.

The remaining things are just playing around with things at the edges - I notice M&S came out with improved maternity/paternity packages - but I think T did that last year - Aldi mentions it is the only retailer to offer paid breaks - and at the mo, T is the only one to pay Sunday premium (I note that Lidl mentioned a BH premium - I don't know whether other retailers still offer BH premiums) -

So in summary, it seems that T will join the £12 crowd - and potentially/probably remove some of our premiums/erode it further - and then they are simply matching what the others do - so we're price matching Aldi - and soon all retailers will be salary-matching everyone else!!

All rather boring really.
They will cut down on night premium remove Sunday premiums in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 03-03-24, 03:59PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 03-03-24, 02:45PM
Quote from: barafear on 28-02-24, 04:12PMI don't think that the outcome will come as any surprise - as someone mentioned on this site a few years ago, it's a race to the bottom - and all the players appear to be determined to dead heat for that race - we seem to have settled on a position (with all retailers) on a rate of approx 5% above the official NLW - although many of them are now claiming to pay/match the "Real Living Foundation Wage" - just happens to be £12 and approx 5% higher than the official NLW.

The remaining things are just playing around with things at the edges - I notice M&S came out with improved maternity/paternity packages - but I think T did that last year - Aldi mentions it is the only retailer to offer paid breaks - and at the mo, T is the only one to pay Sunday premium (I note that Lidl mentioned a BH premium - I don't know whether other retailers still offer BH premiums) -

So in summary, it seems that T will join the £12 crowd - and potentially/probably remove some of our premiums/erode it further - and then they are simply matching what the others do - so we're price matching Aldi - and soon all retailers will be salary-matching everyone else!!

All rather boring really.
They will cut down on night premium remove Sunday premiums in my opinion.
they won't cut night premium, there must be an incentive to work night and considering they just increase team managers and lead managers night premium they can't justify cutting it, Sunday and Bank Holiday premium will probably decrease by percentage but that will be it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 03-03-24, 06:54PM
union rep in our say,s nights are here to stay for the Foreseeable years to come because the trail of Twilight did not work out, but here is the big question what will happen when all us old timers that are getting ready to retire in some cases very soon, it is a known fact that the younger staff find it hard to work the night shift, they dont stay long, some day staff have come on nights for a few days and they all say they hate it. if tesco do cut the premiums yet again then they will see a lot of night workers retire sooner rather than later,

Furthermore, a study by the Trades Union Congress (TUC) revealed that approximately 924,000 workers aged over 50 regularly work through the night. This figure has increased over the past five years as older individuals stay in the workforce longer, and more night-shift jobs are created, especially in sectors like social care
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: chris9997 on 03-03-24, 07:55PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 03-03-24, 06:54PMunion rep in our say,s nights are here to stay for the Foreseeable years to come because the trail of Twilight did not work out, but here is the big question what will happen when all us old timers that are getting ready to retire in some cases very soon, it is a known fact that the younger staff find it hard to work the night shift, they dont stay long, some day staff have come on nights for a few days and they all say they hate it. if tesco do cut the premiums yet again then they will see a lot of night workers retire sooner rather than later,

Furthermore, a study by the Trades Union Congress (TUC) revealed that approximately 924,000 workers aged over 50 regularly work through the night. This figure has increased over the past five years as older individuals stay in the workforce longer, and more night-shift jobs are created, especially in sectors like social care
[/quote"nights here for the forseeable"? Really our teams are literally on there knees most nights around 8 to 9 people but have been down to 3 due to holidays sickness and no recreatment allowed. so whats going on as store not getting done
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 03-03-24, 08:00PM
Older colleagues likely stick to night shifts because that is what they have done for many many years and/or need the money. Older colleagues are also less likely to want to adapt to change.

There isn't really an incentive for a lot of people to work nights at Tesco anymore. If you're a younger colleague with a young family and/or in education then it doesn't make any sense to work through the night for so little extra in your pay each month.

I was on nights for years until our night team was cut in 2016. I've been on days ever since, I don't miss working the night shift. My health is better and so is my home life.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: KAZ on 04-03-24, 10:02AM
Any news yet?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jgerry on 04-03-24, 10:13AM
Quote from: KAZ on 04-03-24, 10:02AMAny news yet?
it's tomorrow at 10 am
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 11:22AM
Could this literally be the first time it hasn't been leaked my senior dept manager reckons it was agreed weeks ago but let's see what is announced tomorow
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 11:45AM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 03-03-24, 03:46AMAfter 30 years as a member and I was a rep for 5 of those years I left union for being to weak to stand up for us they took away our double time then took away our time and a half everything else is being eroded away soon there will be no premiums as for the benefits package we half I would rather have it in my pay packet a few percentage off holidays and from other companies don't pay the bills . Ie costa coffee,Tui holidays,dunhelm whoever they are ,and many to mention.Rant over.
How much of that did you put in via the store forums? were any of you're SD forum pay reviews done right? I'm trying to find out how widespread the issue of store managers suppressing the pay review is or if reps are actually conducting the surveys in the first place.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 11:47AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 03-03-24, 12:40AM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 02-03-24, 09:14PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PMI'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either
Another 9ne that's clueless about what the union reps do, why don't you volunteer to step up to be one. Who has mentioned reps ?? No one and clueless yes in fact I paid for what exactly for years oh yea usdaw who aparently balloted all of its members who voted to lose there yearly bonus for better pay rises ... and that was said to me by lady on phone in usdaw offices while I was opting out of losing 8-10 a month now I must have missed that vote .. what has the union done for store staff in past 3-5 years exactly ????? 
negotiated higher pay increases than the company were offering every year, stopped the removal of skills payments, forced them to retrain Sunday premiums for a little bit longer, removed flexi contracts, required minimums of 16 hour contracts to be issued. But you all seem to forget those parts. 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 11:48AM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 03-03-24, 11:35AMTesco hasn't valued loyalty for a long time. I really think that they also no longer care about being seeing and known as the best amongst the competition when it comes to what they pay their GAs. We haven't been the best paid for quite some time.

Tesco only want cheap flexi colleagues working at GA level. Expendable, cheap GAs who have no entitlement to premiums or decent sick pay.
It was made clear last year that the company does not care about being the top supermarket for pay
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 11:50AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 03-03-24, 12:43PMWould be interested to know the % of Tesco staff who are actually in Usdaw. If as I suspect it's way under 50% what right do they have to represent the workforce.....
It isn't under 50% and what your saying is counter productive, the union is only as strong as its members, if your negotiating pay for 49% of the work force vs 51% they don't have to listen at all. Morrisons has a yes no vote on pay, they still don't bother voting, The pay questionnaire is put put every year, a tiny amount of people bother voting in it. If you want better pay you need to start asking for it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 12:20PM
If you want better pay u need to ask for it from the union rep this is don't forget said union agreed with Tesco that staff would lose there yearly bonus to get a better yearly payrise  which according to lady in usdaw offices all union members overwhelmingly agreed to it funny that even union reps in my store had no idea of such that's why 60odd staff left usdaw ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 12:37PM
No the instore reps didn't.. There are reps on the NEC and Pay review team that negotiate on every usdaw members behalf unless your instore rep is on that pay review team.. No the instore rep has not decided any of that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 01:08PM
Ahh yes these people who literally bend over and accept what Tescos tell them  but not give staff the chance to vote on weather they would agree to lose there bonus  better pay or what ever lol again what on earth is the point on paying into such a farce when the staff who is represented do not get a chance to speak ...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 01:19PM
I feel like you don't understand the pay review process.

Tesco will not look at anything that is not submitted into the stores forums

In store reps should conduct a survey just before september each year to ask members what they want negotiated

this then gets submitted into stores forums

And This Is where the problems start.

The store manager has to put that pay review information into the SD forum

The SD forum reps should be going to the SD forum armed with the information and then voting on the priority of the pay review e.g base pay , skills pay

The same information is sent into usdaw by the reps

Then its supposed to go up the chain.

The problem isn't usdaw its Tesco and the stores forum process. It is not right to blame union reps for this , the ones that complete the process correctly have done their job.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 04-03-24, 01:41PM
What does the SD stand for?

Thanks for explaining how the process should work.

My opinion on all this is that it is all fairly irrelevant - because if we all "say what we want" - none of us are going to say : I'm happy with £11 an hour (or NLW) - I'm happy not to have any chance of a bonus - I'm happy that any other benefits are kept at the absolute statutory minimum -

Therefore what we're all likely to say is "We want £15 an hour, paid breaks, higher night premiums, higher weekend and BH premiums, 20% staff discount at least six months of the year and a guaranteed 5%+ bonus each year - oh and whilst you're at it - an extra week's leave would be good too"

Ultimately it comes down to any business as to what's affordable - and it's easy to say Tesco will make £2.4bn profit this year - so of course it's affordable - but reality is a bit different.

If anyone on here is a homeowner and wants to sell their house, they don't sell it to someone for £40k under market value because the buyers seemed like a nice deserving family - it's all about market value and getting the most etc.

For a business, they need to minimise costs and maximise revenue (sales) and try to increase profit margin.

Staff costs are a big part of Tesco's costs - and they are controllable somewhat - i.e. they can set the rate of pay for all of us and state how many hours each store/dept has within their budget - other costs might be out of their control somewhat - for example transport costs - when diesel prices soared and when HGV drivers shortage meant they had to pay a premium on them.

Unfortunately, for the majority of us that tomorrow's announcement affects, we're all fairly unskilled/easily replaceable (even by automation) - and there's not really too much of a lack of people to replace us if Tesco deem it necessary - we're never going to be able to strike or walkout - we have very little powers in any sort of industrial dispute with Tesco - the only thing in our favour is "public opinion of Tesco" if they "treated" us poorly. But even that dies down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: General Thorn on 04-03-24, 01:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 01:19PMI feel like you don't understand the pay review process.

Tesco will not look at anything that is not submitted into the stores forums

In store reps should conduct a survey just before september each year to ask members what they want negotiated

this then gets submitted into stores forums

And This Is where the problems start.

The store manager has to put that pay review information into the SD forum

The SD forum reps should be going to the SD forum armed with the information and then voting on the priority of the pay review e.g base pay , skills pay

The same information is sent into usdaw by the reps

Then its supposed to go up the chain.

The problem isn't usdaw its Tesco and the stores forum process. It is not right to blame union reps for this , the ones that complete the process correctly have done their job.
And that seems to be the crux of the matter.

I,for one, had no idea that we had to submit any union business through the forum. I only found that out recently through this site but the store's union reps have never mentioned this to anyone. As for doing a survey......well, never.

Our forum results are not posted and, to be honest, nobody cares because they know nothing about the forum or what it does. So many youngsters working now are totally ignorant of the fact we actually have a forum meeting and older colleagues don't see the point of it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 01:53PM
Exactly same here the overwhelming amount of staff have not a clue what's happening until after the union have agreed to such worked for Tesco over 20 years and never not once has a union rep mentioned pay negotiations or anything so what on earth is the point on paying into it and the union are not in Tescos back pocket pmsl don't make me laugh
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 03:21PM
thats th
Quote from: General Thorn on 04-03-24, 01:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 01:19PMI feel like you don't understand the pay review process.

Tesco will not look at anything that is not submitted into the stores forums

In store reps should conduct a survey just before september each year to ask members what they want negotiated

this then gets submitted into stores forums

neither did i until.

And This Is where the problems start.

The store manager has to put that pay review information into the SD forum

The SD forum reps should be going to the SD forum armed with the information and then voting on the priority of the pay review e.g base pay , skills pay

The same information is sent into usdaw by the reps

Then its supposed to go up the chain.

The problem isn't usdaw its Tesco and the stores forum process. It is not right to blame union reps for this , the ones that complete the process correctly have done their job.
And that seems to be the crux of the matter.

I,for one, had no idea that we had to submit any union business through the forum. I only found that out recently through this site but the store's union reps have never mentioned this to anyone. As for doing a survey......well, never.

Our forum results are not posted and, to be honest, nobody cares because they know nothing about the forum or what it does. So many youngsters working now are totally ignorant of the fact we actually have a forum meeting and older colleagues don't see the point of it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 04-03-24, 04:55PM
whatever the pay deal is you can guarantee tosco and tesdaw will brag about how generous they are and we should be so grateful to them for it. load of rubbish if you ask me >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 04-03-24, 04:58PM
Tomorrow predictions...£12.02ph, a small increase in night premium, Sunday and Bank Holiday premium reduced to about 11%...thats it!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 05:38PM
Well one guarantee it will be 11.44 at least ... honest prediction 11.60 staggered to 12 later in year with premiums Sunday and bank holiday gone .. the asda owner said they pay the best out of the stores come July  does he know something we don't with Tescos pending announcement or will he eat his words tomorow I sincerely doubt it
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 05:39PM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 04-03-24, 04:55PMwhatever the pay deal is you can guarantee tosco and tesdaw will brag about how generous they are and we should be so grateful to them for it. load of rubbish if you ask me >:D
yup agreed they will both made to look angels when we will be lucky to break 12£ a hour
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 04-03-24, 05:56PM
i think it will be 11.50ish then will go up to 12ish later in the year
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: MerchMan007 on 04-03-24, 07:10PM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 04-03-24, 05:56PMi think it will be 11.50ish then will go up to 12ish later in the year
I agree
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 04-03-24, 07:25PM
I'm gonna make a bold prediction.
£12.05 p/h
Night premium increased to £2.60 p/h
Sunday premium reduced from £1.87 to 84p p/h
Bank holiday premium gone

Just a prediction just for fun, not based on any solid information whatsoever.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-03-24, 07:31PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 05:38PMWell one guarantee it will be 11.44 at least ... honest prediction 11.60 staggered to 12 later in year with premiums Sunday and bank holiday gone .. the asda owner said they pay the best out of the stores come July  does he know something we don't with Tescos pending announcement or will he eat his words tomorow I sincerely doubt it
Tesco unlikely to follow suit for 2 key reasons.

1. Asda's announcement has gone down like a lead balloon, workers are not happy there.

2. They can, to a slightly higher degree than Tesco, justify the shambles of a pay rise, the Issa Brothers professional relationship is in question, the leveraged takeover of the business from Walmart has been a lot more operationally costly than they thought, they also are acting as owner and CEO, they are not accountable to shareholders (Asda isn't a publicly traded company) so don't fall under scrutiny when deciding pay structures.

If Tesco tried something similar it's likely to lead in Shareholder revolt, a CEO would have more expertise in the matters of compensation as well, they are also the largest player in the market so there will be higher expectations.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 04-03-24, 09:16PM
Last year was 7% so maybe and they will have to match the others at least so maybe 12.24 🤔 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 04-03-24, 11:23PM
Not sure how you got from 11.02 plus 7% and got 12.24?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 04-03-24, 11:48PM
Quote from: barafear on 04-03-24, 11:23PMNot sure how you got from 11.02 plus 7% and got 12.24?
it's about 11.80 lol
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 08:01AM
Quote from: barafear on 04-03-24, 11:23PMNot sure how you got from 11.02 plus 7% and got 12.24?
Because they negotiation is separate from living wage negotiations the 11.44 is mandatory usdaw negotiate on top of that statutory  increas
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 08:52AM
Oh, so you were going 7% on top of the 1144, I see. Not long to find out now, although I would be somewhat surprised to see 12.24!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 08:54AM
Indeed, they have to give us the living wage by law so the only negotiation is for what we get over that minimum of £11.44
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: YellowBee13 on 05-03-24, 10:18AM
Just seen a post on FB with a photo that says...

A new £12.02 hourly rate.
What's changing for Store, CFC & UFC hourly-paid colleagues following negotiations with USDAW?
1. Hourly rate increase of 9.1%. our biggest ever percentage increase in your pay in a single year
2. Inner and outer London allowances simplified to one rate of £1.13.
3. Sunday premiums changing from 17% to 10%. giving you £13.22 when combined with your hourly rate
4. Increased maximum Company Sick Pay. up to a maximum of 18 weeks**
5. Increased paternity leave of 6 weeks' full pay. from 5 March
6. Increased Colleague Clubcard allowance from £1,500 to £2.000
per year. from 1 April
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Sambuca999 on 05-03-24, 10:21AM
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Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AM
So a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:25AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
I opted out last year best thing I done
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 10:25AM
Yes shafted on Sundays again. £9 extra for working a 7.5hr Sunday shift
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 10:27AM
So no increase in night premiums for GA's then, only for the night managers....thats not gonna go down well.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:28AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
Asda have be paying £11.11 since July 2023 which is about the 11.02 tesco have been paying so what are you ranting about?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:29AM
Can see the lack of night premium uplift causing a lot of aggro good luck attracting staff to that
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:31AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:28AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
Asda have be paying £11.11 since July 2023 which is about the 11.02 tesco have been paying so what are you ranting about?
Exactly what
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AM
Right says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:33AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:28AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
Asda have be paying £11.11 since July 2023 which is about the 11.02 tesco have been paying so what are you ranting about?
Exactly what I am ranting about, the union and Tesco had the chance to give us what we gave our bonus away to receive, yet again we get stiffed.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:33AM
I'm disappointed that there were no increase in night premium considering the managers had one. :(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Littlemissanxious on 05-03-24, 10:37AM
Are skills payments increasing by a % as well? Location pay staying?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:38AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:33AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:28AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
Asda have be paying £11.11 since July 2023 which is about the 11.02 tesco have been paying so what are you ranting about?
Exactly what I am ranting about, the union and Tesco had the chance to give us what we gave our bonus away to receive, yet again we get stiffed.
I understand that but it's time we get over that, its been years now and all we're gonna get is a competitive wage rather than a market leading one, the few pence more Asda is paying is not worth stressing over.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:39AM
Quote from: Littlemissanxious on 05-03-24, 10:37AMAre skills payments increasing by a % as well? Location pay staying?
apparently no skills payments increase
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:42AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
that is incorrect...any hours worked in April will be paid at the NLW of £11,44 until the £12.02 kicks in on the 28th
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 05-03-24, 10:43AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
I think the majority would rather the 2p less per hour now than the 2p more per hour in a few months.

Tbf, this payrise isn't bad at all, the fact they are still the only retailer offering Sunday premium and paying above the real living wage is also not to be sniffed at, though there's not a lot in it between the competition (As I've predicted for a long time now), I'd say all things considered Tesco is offering one of the better remuneration packages.

It is also Retail, there really should be a certain level of expectation management when it comes to pay.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Itiswhatitis40 on 05-03-24, 10:45AM
I wonder if skills payment will be described in the full pay briefing to store managers at lunchtime then in the pay briefing pack.  The union call may have been to just a general description of the changes.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mersey1 on 05-03-24, 10:46AM
Any update on shift leader pay rate?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:46AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:42AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
that is incorrect...any hours worked in April will be paid at the NLW of £11,44 until the £12.02 kicks in on the 28th
No they won't, do not believe me that's fine wait till you get a shock on the 26th, or you can google the legislation on NLW increases and when they must be paid from.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 10:51AM
I'm pretty frustrated, they need to get rid of the forum process for pay it just doesnt work for anyone
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:52AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:46AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:42AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
that is incorrect...any hours worked in April will be paid at the NLW of £11,44 until the £12.02 kicks in on the 28th
No they won't, do not believe me that's fine wait till you get a shock on the 26th, or you can google the legislation on NLW increases and when they must be paid from.
it must be paid from April 1st and it will be paid from April 1st.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:54AM
I just asked and was told when we get paid on 28th it's covered up untill the Saturday the 30th the next pay cycle starts 31st so yea according to managers in my store we will get 11.02 till the Sunday 28 when the next pay cycle finishes
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:56AM
I was under the assumption it would be 11.44 from first April but after hearing what I've just been told it seems correct
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 10:57AM
It's quite clear. The £12.02 pay increase starts on April 28th. So that means you will get the money in May pay packet
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:59AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:52AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:46AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:42AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
that is incorrect...any hours worked in April will be paid at the NLW of £11,44 until the £12.02 kicks in on the 28th
No they won't, do not believe me that's fine wait till you get a shock on the 26th, or you can google the legislation on NLW increases and when they must be paid from.
it must be paid from April 1st and it will be paid from April 1st.
Nope, the legislation states it must be paid "from the next pay cycle after" the NLW increase. As I said, you will get a shock on the 26th.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 05-03-24, 11:01AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:52AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:46AM
Quote from: Cocktail on 05-03-24, 10:42AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:36AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:35AM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 10:32AMRight says on notice from 28 April so are we getting 11.44 till then
No due to the way our pay cycle falls, Tesco do not legally have to give us the increase till the pay period after the NLW increase so we lose a month of it.
lol how wonderful
that is incorrect...any hours worked in April will be paid at the NLW of £11,44 until the £12.02 kicks in on the 28th
No they won't, do not believe me that's fine wait till you get a shock on the 26th, or you can google the legislation on NLW increases and when they must be paid from.
it must be paid from April 1st and it will be paid from April 1st.
It doesn't quite work like that.From the ACAS website.

The higher rate starts to apply from the next pay reference period after the increase. This means someone's pay might not go up straight away.

For example, there's a minimum wage rate increase on 1 April.

Sam gets paid monthly on the 15th of the month. The old rate will apply until Sam's next pay reference period starts on 16 April.

As a minimum, Sam should get paid:

the old rate for 1 April to 15 April
the new rate for 16 April to 15 May.

So 31st March - 27th April will still be paid at £11.02.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AM
People failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 11:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 05-03-24, 10:43AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
I think the majority would rather the 2p less per hour now than the 2p more per hour in a few months.

Tbf, this payrise isn't bad at all, the fact they are still the only retailer offering Sunday premium and paying above the real living wage is also not to be sniffed at, though there's not a lot in it between the competition (As I've predicted for a long time now), I'd say all things considered Tesco is offering one of the better remuneration packages.

It is also Retail, there really should be a certain level of expectation management when it comes to pay.
Yeah the actual hourly rate increase isn't my issue, its the lack of night premium increase that's annoyed me, night managers getting an extra £1000 a year while those of us working the same hours as them get no increase at all.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:07AM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AMPeople failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
how do you work that out you have to have one by law with the national living wage increase lol
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 11:08AM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AMPeople failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
Yes there would, if one of the large retailers in the UK decided to not give a pay rise and all others did, what would happen if it were a substantial enough difference?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 05-03-24, 11:13AM
Less than Asda so lowest paid
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:14AM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 11:05AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 05-03-24, 10:43AM
Quote from: stewright90 on 05-03-24, 10:24AMSo a 6.6% pay rise less so if you work Sundays, the union can get f****d we gave up our bonus for higher hourly pay increases, and we are below what asda will be, come July.

I am out of that s*** show union!
I think the majority would rather the 2p less per hour now than the 2p more per hour in a few months.

Tbf, this payrise isn't bad at all, the fact they are still the only retailer offering Sunday premium and paying above the real living wage is also not to be sniffed at, though there's not a lot in it between the competition (As I've predicted for a long time now), I'd say all things considered Tesco is offering one of the better remuneration packages.

It is also Retail, there really should be a certain level of expectation management when it comes to pay.
Yeah the actual hourly rate increase isn't my issue, its the lack of night premium increase that's annoyed me, night managers getting an extra £1000 a year while those of us working the same hours as them get no increase at all.
that's quite alarming if there's no staff premium upgrade and managers getting 1k a year what incentive will there be for any general assistant to work nights or any potential new staff to do same
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 05-03-24, 11:15AM
So we won't see this £12.02 in our pockets till 24th may ??
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:22AM
Nope
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Morris999 on 05-03-24, 11:25AM
Tescos new pay period starts on Monday 1st April so they will have to pay the national minimum wage from that date.
I think as is always the case the full details haven't been leaked and people are jumping to the wrong conclusions!
Wait till the full brief in the next few hours!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NotPaidToThink on 05-03-24, 11:31AM
No it doesn't, it starts on 30th March
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 05-03-24, 11:33AM
Union should hang there head in shame will be a lot leaving them
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:34AM
Yup the Saturday the 30th last day in cycle 31st is the first day in next pay cycle
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NotPaidToThink on 05-03-24, 11:36AM
I use to be a union rep and have seen what the money get spent on when attending training courses etc! Trust me it doesn't go to the best use.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 11:38AM
Of course, that isn't true (about if not for union no payrise).I could well believe if it wasn't for the NLW then we might not get one or it would be minimal. But not much thanks to Union - even though people on here will still say the union have done a great job getting anything above 11.44

Basically, Tesco or any other retailer would love it if next year's NLW doesn't increase above £12 - and then we'll see how generous they are - if that were the case (i.e. NLW doesn't go above £12) then many retailers will hold back on any 2025 increase until much later in the year.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:41AM
Let's face it it's nothing much to do with union about the pay rise we were allways going to be as close as Asda as possible
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Itiswhatitis40 on 05-03-24, 12:17PM
Quote from: Mersey1 on 05-03-24, 10:46AMAny update on shift leader pay rate?
Skill payments are staying the same.... so skill rates have devalued in worth then ... dissapointing that
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 05-03-24, 12:22PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 05-03-24, 11:25AMTescos new pay period starts on Monday 1st April so they will have to pay the national minimum wage from that date.
I think as is always the case the full details haven't been leaked and people are jumping to the wrong conclusions!
Wait till the full brief in the next few hours!
You said it!  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mark calloway on 05-03-24, 12:24PM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AMPeople failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
rubbish.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 05-03-24, 12:31PM
If there wasn't a NMW change as much I'd expect that they'd of just increased it by 7 or 8% again and so they are bettering their "biggest ever" from last year following their commitment to the whole "colleagues don't want bonuses or premiums, they want a a better base pay" - no we want all of the above for everything we do.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 05-03-24, 12:39PM
Quote from: Itiswhatitis40 on 05-03-24, 12:17PM
Quote from: Mersey1 on 05-03-24, 10:46AMAny update on shift leader pay rate?
Skill payments are staying the same.... so skill rates have devalued in worth then ... dissapointing that
Skills payments have not gone up in I think five years. After the 2022 pay review was announced I emailed the USDAW national officer responsible and received this:

I do acknowledge that the way that shift leaders are paid has changed in recent years and that means that the overall increase does not automatically apply to the full hourly rate that you receive.  I'm afraid I can't comment directly on the length of time since this change was made as it was before I assumed responsibility for Tesco retail.

 

However, as I am sure you would appreciate, any set of pay negotiations does require a degree of prioritisation that ensures any pay deal delivers the maximum benefit to the maximum number of people as possible.  Equally, any improvements negotiated specifically for one group, whoever they may be, requires the agreement of the employer and is not solely within the gift of the trade union.

 

The pay claim was actually formulated back in November from the feedback that the Union received following a survey of the membership within Tesco retail, followed by a discussion and agreement from both the Pay Team (made up of 12 USDAW shop stewards) and the wider National Forum – both of which have representatives from the Shift Leader population.  It was strongly felt that, as I am sure you understand, that given the significant cost of living challenges all our members are facing now that the focus had to be on securing as much investment as possible in base rates – hence the decision to submit a single item claim that meant there was the focus on base rates of pay for all staff.  While recognising that this did not mean additional investment in Shift Leader pay it meant that the maximum amount of investment could be made in base rates and, furthermore, it does continue to maintain the same differential as currently exists between Shift Leaders and the standard base rate.  This is certainly not the case in a number of other employers that have seen a squeeze in differentials between grades (as a result of differing percentage or pence per hour increases for different grades).

 
However, I fully appreciate the points that you make and, while it is not part of the settlement this year, I am acutely aware that this is something that will need to be looked at in coming years and, I assure you, that when the process begins for formulating the 2023 claim, which begins in July via the Forum process, this will be part of these discussions.  I would strongly encourage you to ensure that this feedback is provided to your USDAW Forum Rep so that this is raised.

 
I recognise that this will not immediately alleviate your concerns but, hopefully, it does go some way to explain why and how the decisions were made and that these decisions were not made without the input and involvement of USDAW shopfloor representatives.

I did feed back via my rep. Made no difference though  ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Grassman on 05-03-24, 12:49PM
Not worth my while working Sundays now,I'll be dropping them and I'll be dropping the union while I'm at it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: billyflem on 05-03-24, 12:52PM
No longer worthwhile being a shift leader in an express store.
The difference in pay is really no worth the hassle given we don't have a set rota and the responsibility we have.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 05-03-24, 12:56PM
In all my years at Tesco, this is by far the worst pay deal I've ever encountered.

Fuming doesn't even cover it. There's no glossing over it, no matter how hard the Union try to present it. It's an insult. It's outrageous. I'd expect nothing else from the company but the Union should hang their heads in shame.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: HalloweenJack on 05-03-24, 01:14PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 05-03-24, 11:25AMTescos new pay period starts on Monday 1st April so they will have to pay the national minimum wage from that date.
I think as is always the case the full details haven't been leaked and people are jumping to the wrong conclusions!
Wait till the full brief in the next few hours!
Tesco have 4 weeks from that date to implement the NMW, as staff are paid 4 weekly. Thats why the new pay deal starts on the 28th April.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: AB909 on 05-03-24, 01:23PM
I completely agree, this pay increase is an absolute disgrace. And the union could have stood up for us better. I find this pay review offensive, and I bet by next year all our benefits will be completely stripped from us!

When I read the pay review, I decided to calculate my take home for the month - and it turns out I earn an extra £40 a month! Even on the old pay it was a struggle, but £40 extra a month is just a kick in the teeth; they fooled us into believing that they understand that the colleagues are struggling with cost of living, and that they want to help... how is a few extra quid a month going to help us pay bills, buy food - the cost living crisis is not getting any cheaper... as long as there profiting from it, then they don't care. The prices of food is so expensive now, even with the Clubcard (which I'm surprised they haven't decreased the percentage on that) Groceries are expensive, and we're all still struggling. However I'm sure they'll reach there forecasted profit of 2.75billon at the sacrifice of the staffs pay.

I'm just lost for words, to all us staff that work so hard each year to deliver there KPIs, to make them the most profitable supermarket in the UK it's a joke. where is the incentive for the colleagues anymore? stores are short staffed, one colleague is doing 3 peoples worth of jobs, but all this for what? Rubbish pay? Rubbish work standards? And have no outside work life due to having to work ridiculous amounts of hours, to afford to live. Such a joke... where is the incentive anymore to work for this company that doesn't value its employees or support them through a cost of living crisis.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 01:49PM
will tesco be number 1 supermarket in 5 years?
As of now, Tesco holds a significant position in the UK grocery market. It is the leading grocery retailer in the UK, consistently maintaining a market share of over 26 percent1. Alongside Asda, Sainsbury's, and Morrisons, Tesco is part of the "big four" supermarkets in the country.

However, predicting the future is always a fascinating challenge! While Tesco has a strong foothold, several factors can influence its position over the next five years:

Competition: Rival supermarkets are continually evolving, introducing new strategies, and adapting to changing consumer preferences. Tesco will need to stay competitive to maintain its lead.
Market Dynamics: Consumer behavior, economic conditions, and global events can impact the grocery industry. Tesco's ability to navigate these shifts will be crucial.
Innovation: Tesco's investment in technology, online shopping, and customer experience will play a pivotal role. Innovations can propel it forward or open opportunities for competitors.
Expansion and Diversification: Tesco's global presence and diversification into non-grocery areas (such as clothing, electronics, and financial services) could impact its ranking.
Brand Perception: Tesco's brand value and reputation matter. Positive associations can attract loyal customers, while negative ones may affect its position.
In summary, while Tesco currently holds a strong position, the future remains uncertain. Whether it will be the number one supermarket in five years depends on its strategic decisions, adaptability, and the dynamic landscape of the retail industry. 🛒🌟as for the pay deal its sucks,but we will have live with that,i,m one of the lucky ones i,m using my earnings buying tesco shares to top-up my pensions in just under 4 years i will have gone into retirement and be able to enjoy the rest of my life,so my tip of the day is start investing for your  retirement because you never know what tomorrow will bring.  From April, the minimum wage will rise by nearly a pound to £11.44 an hour for anyone aged over 21. A similar rise the year before means the minimum wage will have risen by just over 20pc in only two years. Supermarket wage wars risk derailing interest rates cuts,the outcome will be that workers will go to who pays the best wages.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: tescopleb on 05-03-24, 01:56PM
Absolutely disgusting and a sign of what we can expect now we have nothing left to negotiate with. This is the UK largest private sector employer and it relies on the government to subsidise wages it can more than afford to pay but chooses not to under the guise of business models etc. For once we should be grateful to the Government for forcing them to start paying up.It will be interesting to see what happens should the equal pay claim succeed.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 05-03-24, 02:04PM
Shift leaders up to £14.28
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyshopper on 05-03-24, 02:11PM
I still think there should definitely be a different pay band for extra and express.. especially in a fuel site for express.

CA in a express has far more roles than a extra same for express
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Chirpy123 on 05-03-24, 02:27PM
I feel so lucky and valued NOT! That's me giving up Sunday nights!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:07AM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AMPeople failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
how do you work that out you have to have one by law with the national living wage increase lol
OK let me rephrase it. The payrise wouldn't have been as good then. I really don't understand the vast majority of the moaning twerps on here, just leave and work somewhere else
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: expresscoop on 05-03-24, 02:38PM
wait, 10% extra for sunday? Im in the middle of TUPE and was told there are no premiums
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PM
Absolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 02:46PM
Supposedly still negotiating about shift leaders and nothing will be announced until later this year so takes the ca's closer to my pay so my job is literally not worth it tbf...
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Superdude09 on 05-03-24, 02:49PM
Anyone know details about the location pay? Does that mean we are losing our current location pay (but potentially gaining the new one?)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 05-03-24, 02:51PM
Quote from: Happyshopper on 05-03-24, 02:11PMI still think there should definitely be a different pay band for extra and express.. especially in a fuel site for express.

CA in a express has far more roles than a extra same for express
I agree 100%
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: sonic8610 on 05-03-24, 02:52PM
I wonder if with the singular location pay it'll mean the end of any supplement payments.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 02:54PM
Quote from: expresscoop on 05-03-24, 02:38PMwait, 10% extra for sunday? Im in the middle of TUPE and was told there are no premiums
"New starters" (from July 2022 I think) get no Sunday premium. So I'm guessing that might include you?

Did you get a premium with Co-op? (I presume you worked for them?)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 02:56PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAlso why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
It's £2,000  :)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 02:57PM
Quote from: sonic8610 on 05-03-24, 02:52PMI wonder if with the singular location pay it'll mean the end of any supplement payments.
Not sure what you mean by "supplement" payments?

As for location pay - obviously we will need to wait for the full details to be put up on ourtesco - but currently we have several different location pay bands - not just inner/outer London.

So let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 03:01PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 02:56PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAlso why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
It's £2,000  :)
Spend "approx" £20k to get £2k discount.

And with the new rules on 2nd card, it's a bit easier than it has been.

I was on the till a few weeks ago - and a customer asked me when the discount reset as she had already used it all.
I asked "how" (politely) and she explained that she didn't even work for Tesco - but it was her mum's 2nd card - and she said she'd only had the 2nd card since Sept (which made it even harder to understand how someone could use the allowance that quickly!!) - she then told me that her mum spends about £150 a week in T and she (2nd card holder) spent £200+ per week.
So if discounts are potentially being used by families with "higher household income" then it's fairly easy to see.
I still think you need a certain set of circumstances to actually "need" to spend that much -
I don't have pets or children - so that reduces my spend - I don't spend much on alcohol - so that's another area of potential high spend.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Superdude09 on 05-03-24, 03:02PM
Quote from: barafear on 05-03-24, 02:57PM
Quote from: sonic8610 on 05-03-24, 02:52PMI wonder if with the singular location pay it'll mean the end of any supplement payments.
Not sure what you mean by "supplement" payments?

As for location pay - obviously we will need to wait for the full details to be put up on ourtesco - but currently we have several different location pay bands - not just inner/outer London.

So let's wait and see.
https://www.tescoplc.com/tesco-announces-biggest-ever-single-investment-in-store-colleague-pay-bringing-hourly-rate-up-to-1202-per-hour/

Creating one London Allowance area at £13.15 per hour for stores within the M25. This is an increase from £11.95 inner London/£11.75 outer London and keeps Tesco in line with the London Real Living Wage
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 03:05PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 02:56PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAlso why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
It's £2,000  :)
Yes. So to benefit from the full £2000 discount, you have to spend £20,000. 🙄
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 05-03-24, 03:11PM
Might be less than 20k as you get 15% off at paydays.....

But still I can't imagine the bulk of the workforce considered the need to increase the cap as their most pressing concern
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 03:13PM
I would agree that 99.99% of B/C colleagues would happily reduce the discount level back to £1000 if it meant Sunday premiums back to 25% and base pay up to £12.25!!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 03:22PM
Quote from: Superdude09 on 05-03-24, 03:02PM
Quote from: barafear on 05-03-24, 02:57PM
Quote from: sonic8610 on 05-03-24, 02:52PMI wonder if with the singular location pay it'll mean the end of any supplement payments.
Not sure what you mean by "supplement" payments?

As for location pay - obviously we will need to wait for the full details to be put up on ourtesco - but currently we have several different location pay bands - not just inner/outer London.

So let's wait and see.
https://www.tescoplc.com/tesco-announces-biggest-ever-single-investment-in-store-colleague-pay-bringing-hourly-rate-up-to-1202-per-hour/

Creating one London Allowance area at £13.15 per hour for stores within the M25. This is an increase from £11.95 inner London/£11.75 outer London and keeps Tesco in line with the London Real Living Wage
How easy to unpick this official press release:

"Tesco has reached an agreement with trade union USDAW that will significantly increase the hourly pay rate for colleagues in stores, from £11.02 to £12.02 which is above the Real Living Wage."

.....which is TWO PENCE above the real living wage. Thanks T!!!

"This new rate will come into effect from April 2024" -if what we hear is correct, then my answer to this is ......virtually at the end of April 2024


"Tesco remains one of the few supermarkets to recognise an independent trade union and negotiate pay rates"

Yeah right - we all feel so privileged.



"Continuing to be one of the few retailers that still pays a Sunday premium, for colleagues who joined Tesco before 24 July 2022. The percentage rate will change from 17% to 10% with the actual value increasing from £12.89 to £13.22 per hour on a Sunday." - otherwise known as an increase of 33p per hour on a Sunday (less than 3%) - and that followed a "freezing" of that pay last year. So that's a "less than 3% increase to Sunday pay over two years".

I could do more.....including a nice inspiring message from our new UK CEO (Matthew Barnes) - who I'm sure will appreciate the £2k discount allowance so that he can buy lots of Gym Kitchen Premium meal deals!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 03:26PM
Quote from: universe on 05-03-24, 11:15AMSo we won't see this £12.02 in our pockets till 24th may ??
We're further increasing your hourly rate by £1.00 from £11.02 to £12.02 - our biggest ever percentage increase in your pay in a single year.

This 9.1% increase will come into effect from 28 April and will be reflected in your pay on 24 May pay day.

Confirmed on ourtesco!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: universe on 05-03-24, 03:26PM
Skills payment for break cover step up in express will this be the same as it is now it increases to shift leader rate while covering breaks etc ??
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 05-03-24, 03:30PM
Quote from: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMSupposedly still negotiating about shift leaders and nothing will be announced until later this year so takes the ca's closer to my pay so my job is literally not worth it tbf...
Completely wrong.

£14.28 now for a shift leader, the same increase as a CA.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Littlemissanxious on 05-03-24, 03:38PM
No mention of location pay on colleague help, just about the inner/outer London pay.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 03:49PM
https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2024/Mar/Tesco-Pay-deal (https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2024/Mar/Tesco-Pay-deal)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 03:50PM
Quote from: Littlemissanxious on 05-03-24, 03:38PMNo mention of location pay on colleague help, just about the inner/outer London pay.
tend to be a bit slow confirming all the details - but no details of any other "location pay changes" - so assumption is that there is no change. Let's all go to the I of M and work in one of their nine new stores for 83p ph location pay!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Pmjd84 on 05-03-24, 03:54PM
I hope location pay for outside the M25 is staying. Otherwise it doesn't end up being much of an increase for us at all.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 03:55PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 03:05PM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 02:56PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAlso why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
It's £2,000  :)
Yes. So to benefit from the full £2000 discount, you have to spend £20,000. 🙄
Yeah - I fully understand that so no need for the eye roll-I would've preferred 15% all year but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyshopper on 05-03-24, 03:56PM
Quote from: Happyshopper on 05-03-24, 02:11PMI still think there should definitely be a different pay band for extra and express.. especially in a fuel site for express.

CA in a express has far more roles than a extra same for shift leader
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...   how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 04:15PM
For those colleagues receiving Sunday premiums, this will change to 10% which not only maintains the value of Sunday working but also ensures Tesco remains one of the few retailers to still pay a Sunday premium ,what tesco and the union failed to say is that Sunday premiums reduce by 50 %, and by the next time the nlw comes around you can bet that Sunday premiums will be gone because there will be nothing left to cut even by 5%. Sunday premiums will be consigned to history book.  >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Johnzo88 on 05-03-24, 04:25PM
Quote from: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...   how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Because night managers will also be getting their pay increased, aswell as their night premium going up. Working between 00.00-0600 is unsociable hours for normal staff aswell, so to only increase a managers nightshift allowance is dissapointing. Add onto that their increase in their bonus scheme aswell.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 04:34PM
If night managers are getting an extra £1000 per year in night premium then the hourly night premium rate for GA's should be commensurate, the hourly night premium rate should therefore be increased so that a full time GA would also receive £1000 per year. Obviously if you work less night hours then you'd get less in total but at least the rate of increase in the premium would be fair.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 05-03-24, 04:38PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 04:15PMFor those colleagues receiving Sunday premiums, this will change to 10% which not only maintains the value of Sunday working but also ensures Tesco remains one of the few retailers to still pay a Sunday premium ,what tesco and the union failed to say is that Sunday premiums reduce by 50 %, and by the next time the nlw comes around you can bet that Sunday premiums will be gone because there will be nothing left to cut even by 5%. Sunday premiums will be consigned to history book.  >:D
For the hours I work on a sunday the premium now pays me an extra £6.60 a shift, not sure I'll bother with them anymore
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 04:41PM
So anyone under 23 what's the rate is it still 12.02
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 04:43PM
Around 25,000 Greggs workers will share £17.6 million in bonuses this month after the high street bakery chain notched up a 27% hike in annual profits.The group's boss, Roisin Currie, said the staff will be given the bonus in their pay packets at the end of March to recognise their "hard work and effort" over 2023. take note tesco,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 04:49PM
They've taken note and we're still getting nothing - not even a sausage roll!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 05-03-24, 05:09PM
Could have mentioned a change to the music playlist as part of the package b*****ds.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 05-03-24, 05:17PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 05:21PM
They might start playing "Money Money Money" more often just to remind us how highly we're thought of with our inflation-busting payrise.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Mr Tom on 05-03-24, 05:25PM
Barafear stop! that did make me laugh  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 05-03-24, 05:34PM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 05-03-24, 04:25PM
Quote from: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...   how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Because night managers will also be getting their pay increased, aswell as their night premium going up. Working between 00.00-0600 is unsociable hours for normal staff aswell, so to only increase a managers nightshift allowance is dissapointing. Add onto that their increase in their bonus scheme aswell.
That's entirely dependant on their end of year review though so absolutely no guarantees 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: CJ on 05-03-24, 05:46PM
Just a quick question guys a colleague of ours has started around a month ago and has been told by the manager that Sunday premium has been waived off for new starters is this correct? Can any one shed some insight into this ? Doesn't seem fair for some people to get Sunday premium and some not to
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 06:00PM
Yes Sunday premium for staff after 2022 had gone anyone pre 2022 still gets it
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 06:02PM
Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 05:34PM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 05-03-24, 04:25PM
Quote from: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...  how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Because night managers will also be getting their pay increased, aswell as their night premium going up. Working between 00.00-0600 is unsociable hours for normal staff aswell, so to only increase a managers nightshift allowance is dissapointing. Add onto that their increase in their bonus scheme aswell.
That's entirely dependant on their end of year review though so absolutely no guarantees 
Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 05:34PM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 05-03-24, 04:25PM
Quote from: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...  how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Because night managers will also be getting their pay increased, aswell as their night premium going up. Working between 00.00-0600 is unsociable hours for normal staff aswell, so to only increase a managers nightshift allowance is dissapointing. Add onto that their increase in their bonus scheme aswell.
That's entirely dependant on their end of year review though so absolutely no guarantees 
Because the extra £1000 is an increase in night premium, the extra that is paid for the inconvenience of working through the night.
Yet GA's night premium is staying the same, so as a percentage of hourly rate, it has further been eroded, whilst manager's has increased.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:08PM
Quote from: Loki on 05-03-24, 12:56PMIn all my years at Tesco, this is by far the worst pay deal I've ever encountered.

Fuming doesn't even cover it. There's no glossing over it, no matter how hard the Union try to present it. It's an insult. It's outrageous. I'd expect nothing else from the company but the Union should hang their heads in shame.
spot on. it's s**t!! f*** discount and paternity. doesn't concern me. usdaw are as much use as a chocolate teapot. nowt to brag about here you bunch of muppets!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:12PM
please,please, please if you work sundays opt out if you possibly can! no staff means store can't open >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 06:14PM
So after speaking to my manager...ca's are closer to the shift leader wage now as there's no increase in shift pay for us as of yet judt the extra £1...makes no sense to be a shift leader in my opinion
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 05-03-24, 06:17PM
No we are not it's the same shift leaders got the same as ga .
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 05-03-24, 06:19PM
Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 05:34PM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 05-03-24, 04:25PM
Quote from: madness on 05-03-24, 04:12PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 05-03-24, 02:46PMAbsolutely disgusting.
How can they boast of increasing managers night pay by £1000?, and yet give nothing to those who actually do all the graft. No wonder they're struggling so hard to find and retain night staff. We recently got 4 new starters and 3 have quite already, saying the workload is too heavy. I guess a lot of us old timers are used to killing ourselves every night.
Also why include staff discount in the deal? Who the hell on GA pay is gonna spend £20,000 a year in Tesco?
Absolute joke.
Full time (36 hours per week)
11.02 to 12.02 is £1 an hour.
36hrs a week 4 weeks  pay £144
13 pays a year =144x13
=1872 before tax...   how is that not better than £1000 extra for a night manager?
Because night managers will also be getting their pay increased, aswell as their night premium going up. Working between 00.00-0600 is unsociable hours for normal staff aswell, so to only increase a managers nightshift allowance is dissapointing. Add onto that their increase in their bonus scheme aswell.
That's entirely dependant on their end of year review though so absolutely no guarantees 
Yeah at worst nothing ie a missed or 1% if already on the top band. and more likely an average of 2-3% which if you assume 26000 before night premium is 520-780 so still less.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 05-03-24, 06:25PM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:12PMplease,please, please if you work sundays opt out if you possibly can! no staff means store can't open >:D
4 weeks notice to opt out, replaced those hours within two.

Good luck closing a store  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:31PM
more fool the idiots who agree to replace them then!! if they enjoy getting the p**s took out of em thats their lookout!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:35PM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 11:07AM
Quote from: AsdaBeBetter on 05-03-24, 11:02AMPeople failing to realise that if it wasn't for the Union then there may not even be a payrise
how do you work that out you have to have one by law with the national living wage increase lol
OK let me rephrase it. The payrise wouldn't have been as good then. I really don't understand the vast majority of the moaning twerps on here, just leave and work somewhere else
and that's gonna improve tesdaw as a union???
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 05-03-24, 06:48PM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 06:31PMmore fool the idiots who agree to replace them then!! if they enjoy getting the p**s took out of em thats their lookout!
Sorry - I've said again and again on this thread that this pay rise primarily concerns B/C grade colleagues - and like it or not, we are all "unskilled" and easily replaceable. If Sunday workers were so hard to recruit, how do other shops/pubs/restaurants etc. who do not pay any premium manage to staff their businesses.

For young people, they've "never had it so good" - because even if they are getting paid the absolute minimum for their age, once they turn 21, they are now guaranteed £11.44 an hour (or £12 based on most retailers pay) - and compared to 5 years ago, or even 3 years ago, this looks like a "fortune" to a "youngster" (might still be living at home paying minimal/no rent) - so to see the money in their pocket increase by 30% in three years is like manna from heaven.

Unfortunately for older workers like me - it all feels really bad because any sort of "perk" we ever had is being eroded - even the changes to sick pay they've announced are only going to affect a tiny number of people - and with part-time hours being the norm - and no pay for first three "actual" working days - the chances of anyone actually making it to claim Company Sick Pay (and not be on a disciplinary if and when they return) is fairly minimal.

The increase in the clubcard discount amount is an easy win for Tesco - assuming no "abuse" of the discount card, very few people could get to £2k discount in a year - even with the changes to second card - and those that can won't really care that their Tesco wages are "only going up to barely above NLW" - anyway - in order to get the discount, money still has to be spent in Tesco - so Tesco still recoup much of that even if they say margins are thin.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: slw77 on 05-03-24, 07:01PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-03-24, 06:17PMNo we are not it's the same shift leaders got the same as ga .
It's the same in monetary terms, but not in percentage terms. GAs are getting a 9.1% increase and shift leaders are only getting 7.5%. A 9.1% increase for a shift leader would be £1.21.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Beanny on 05-03-24, 07:16PM
I am surprised that night premiums for colleagues has not increased. If you assume that night managers are on a basic of £32000 and receive a 5% pay increase that would be an increase of £1600 a year, along with their night premium going up by £1000 a year. Let's say their bonus is 3% then that would be an extra £960 this year. Total is £3560 for this coming year. Night colleagues should be well aggrieved by the blatent inequality!! And these figures I have used are possibly an underestimate of what they potentially could get!! 😡😡😡
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 07:24PM
The rule regarding Sunday premiums at Tesco appears to be a topic of contention. While Tesco emphasizes that the change to a 10% premium for Sunday working maintains its value, there's an underlying concern that this reduction may have unintended consequences. The union's silence on the matter suggests that there might be more to the story.

Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%. However, the future remains uncertain. As the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve, it's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become a relic of the past, consigned to the history books.

The tension between maintaining fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is palpable. Whether Sunday premiums will indeed vanish remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 07:35PM
Quote from: slw77 on 05-03-24, 07:01PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-03-24, 06:17PMNo we are not it's the same shift leaders got the same as ga .
It's the same in monetary terms, but not in percentage terms. GAs are getting a 9.1% increase and shift leaders are only getting 7.5%. A 9.1% increase for a shift leader would be £1.21.
It's 5% you can't use the statutory increase in the calculation usdaw didn't negotiate that part, that's the way they are trying to get you to look at it
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 07:49PM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 05-03-24, 12:39PM
Quote from: Itiswhatitis40 on 05-03-24, 12:17PM
Quote from: Mersey1 on 05-03-24, 10:46AMAny update on shift leader pay rate?
Skill payments are staying the same.... so skill rates have devalued in worth then ... dissapointing that
Skills payments have not gone up in I think five years. After the 2022 pay review was announced I emailed the USDAW national officer responsible and received this:

I do acknowledge that the way that shift leaders are paid has changed in recent years and that means that the overall increase does not automatically apply to the full hourly rate that you receive.  I'm afraid I can't comment directly on the length of time since this change was made as it was before I assumed responsibility for Tesco retail.

 

However, as I am sure you would appreciate, any set of pay negotiations does require a degree of prioritisation that ensures any pay deal delivers the maximum benefit to the maximum number of people as possible.  Equally, any improvements negotiated specifically for one group, whoever they may be, requires the agreement of the employer and is not solely within the gift of the trade union.

 

The pay claim was actually formulated back in November from the feedback that the Union received following a survey of the membership within Tesco retail, followed by a discussion and agreement from both the Pay Team (made up of 12 USDAW shop stewards) and the wider National Forum – both of which have representatives from the Shift Leader population.  It was strongly felt that, as I am sure you understand, that given the significant cost of living challenges all our members are facing now that the focus had to be on securing as much investment as possible in base rates – hence the decision to submit a single item claim that meant there was the focus on base rates of pay for all staff.  While recognising that this did not mean additional investment in Shift Leader pay it meant that the maximum amount of investment could be made in base rates and, furthermore, it does continue to maintain the same differential as currently exists between Shift Leaders and the standard base rate.  This is certainly not the case in a number of other employers that have seen a squeeze in differentials between grades (as a result of differing percentage or pence per hour increases for different grades).

 
However, I fully appreciate the points that you make and, while it is not part of the settlement this year, I am acutely aware that this is something that will need to be looked at in coming years and, I assure you, that when the process begins for formulating the 2023 claim, which begins in July via the Forum process, this will be part of these discussions.  I would strongly encourage you to ensure that this feedback is provided to your USDAW Forum Rep so that this is raised.

 
I recognise that this will not immediately alleviate your concerns but, hopefully, it does go some way to explain why and how the decisions were made and that these decisions were not made without the input and involvement of USDAW shopfloor representatives.

I did feed back via my rep. Made no difference though  ;D
The problem won't be the rep it will be the forum process itself. Also they didn't send out a online questionnaire last year either.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PM
As normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 05-03-24, 08:17PM
can't? you mean won't! >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 08:23PM
Sunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 08:36PM
Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..
Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 08:40PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 08:36PM
Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..
Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium
no offence but that I do not beleive that at all  or are you the one person who believes the union do a amazing job because you're a paid up rep
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 05-03-24, 08:51PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 08:23PMSunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.
Genuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 05-03-24, 09:18PM
this just in from usdaw by email,

All changes are effective from 28 April 2024, unless otherwise stated.
Core Award – Pay increased by 9.1% from £11.02 to £12.02.
London Location Pay – A single, higher, London allowance within the M25, of £1.13 p/h.
Sunday Premium – Changes from 17% to 10%. The total hourly rate on Sunday increases.
Company Sick Pay – Increased to a maximum of 18 weeks at 17-18 years' service, from 15 September 2024.
CFC Sunday working opt out – Removal of the Sunday working opt out for new starters in CFCs.
Paternity Leave and Pay – Increased by 50% to 6 weeks, from 15 September 2024. its
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 09:21PM
It has nothing to do with Sunday being a normal working day, it's about premiums being eroded. It doesn't matter what day it is for that matter it's the fact that Sunday workers used to be paid much better than they are now.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 10:04PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 05-03-24, 08:40PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 05-03-24, 08:36PM
Quote from: SUSSEXMAN on 05-03-24, 08:03PMAs normal both Tesco and Union saying what a great job and how generous they are .. what they don't say is they don't really have an option but to increase it to that as other supermarkets and anything less than that would be a loss when u take into account min wage ..
what frustrates me is Tesco is the biggest supermarket in the uk and they cant  even pay more or match the highest paying supermarket ..
Original offer was 11.65 and removal of Sunday premium
no offence but that I do not beleive that at all  or are you the one person who believes the union do a amazing job because you're a paid up rep
Union reps don't get paid I'm merely stating the facts as written in the information.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Charlie Harper on 06-03-24, 12:26AM
Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 08:51PMGenuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 
Family time as kids are off school.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 06-03-24, 12:30AM
Quote from: JJH on 05-03-24, 08:51PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 05-03-24, 08:23PMSunday premiums will become a thing of the past. They are slowly being eroded more and more so eventually it just won't exist.
Genuine question, what's so special about a Sunday these days anyway?

What do people do on a Sunday that they can't do on any other day? 
They have a choice whether or not they work!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: redeo on 06-03-24, 12:41AM
Quote from: Batesi1981 on 05-03-24, 06:14PMSo after speaking to my manager...ca's are closer to the shift leader wage now as there's no increase in shift pay for us as of yet judt the extra £1...makes no sense to be a shift leader in my opinion
It never did.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AM
It was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bikerguy on 06-03-24, 09:01AM
i am a GA nightshift  tuesday to sunday 5 nights 10to7 can anyone tell me my new wage,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 06-03-24, 09:18AM
Bikerguy, that would be roughly £1989 every 4 weeks before tax
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-03-24, 09:18AM
I know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 06-03-24, 09:39AM
 :thumbup: Me too
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 06-03-24, 09:51AM
Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 09:18AMI know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.
Woah! Careful with that logic  :D  :D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Paulie on 06-03-24, 09:53AM
I think the people should campaign to close retail on Sundays like the old days, family time with Sunday dinner.

You won't be long once Sunday premiums are gone night shift premiums will follow. Some jobs get zero night shift premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 06-03-24, 10:12AM
they could campaign for it... you know what will happen though? Stores will just have more of a skeleton crew on the sunday or use it as a restock / clean like they do at Christmas and Easter.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 10:37AM
Close on a Sunday it will never happen I work a Sunday and my store is crazy busy even at 15.55 store just about to close there's allways a steady stream people trying shop ... I have heard a few people say they will drop a Sunday but that was met with no you can't which is a lie due to the opt out ..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 06-03-24, 11:33AM
Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 09:18AMI know this will get lots of backlash but I'm happy with the increase, it means I will earn £125 extra a month or £1500 a year. Not to be sniffed at in my opinion for an unskilled job.
Your attitude is exactly why businesses keep wages low, there is no such thing as an unskilled job every single job has a skill set some take longer than others to master however no job is unskilled, you are giving time out of your life to earn the ability to survive that should be paramount when decisions regarding pay are discussed/made.

Anyone working a full-time job should be able to afford somewhere to live, food, clothing etc... The skill set payment increase should be discussed after that has been met, not before.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 12:10PM
Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 09:53AMI think the people should campaign to close retail on Sundays like the old days, family time with Sunday dinner.

You won't be long once Sunday premiums are gone night shift premiums will follow. Some jobs get zero night shift premium.
better off campaigning to remove pay review from the stores forum process so we can send the request directly to usdaw
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 12:11PM
Unskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: adamjp1 on 06-03-24, 12:15PM
As a current night manager I am unsure of where the talk of the increase of £1000 in night premium is coming from. Neither I , nor any night manager I speak to are aware or have been briefed that that is happening. Having said that I am disappointed that night colleagues have not had an increase. The job needs to be made much more attractive. Recruiting and retaining on nights is a nightmare just now
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Biscuit tin on 06-03-24, 12:20PM
You'll never get another increase in night premium now. They're just working you to the bone, hoping you'll quit so they don't have to fork out much redundancy when they get rid of night shifts.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PM
In reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-03-24, 01:56PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 12:11PMUnskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up
I'm under 50 with very low bills. No mortgage as it has been paid off & plenty spare to enjoy my free time & have nice holidays
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-03-24, 01:58PM
Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 01:56PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 12:11PMUnskilled job really mind and depending on you're age etc etc 125 a month I take it you have no bills or anything because with cost of living you will be lucky to see half of that rise with the cost of everything going up
I'm under 50 with very low bills. No mortgage as it has been paid off & plenty spare to enjoy my free time & have nice holidays
had a good career before joining Tesco which has got me in a fortunate position. Tesco is an easy life for me until I retire in a few years
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 06-03-24, 02:11PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13163479/greggs-employees-700-bonus-mcdonalds-holiday-reward.html
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: JJH on 06-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-03-24, 02:32PM
Quote from: JJH on 06-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!
:thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 06-03-24, 02:32PM
John Lewis and waitrose only upping pay to 11.55 and co-op to 12.00
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PM
I'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 06-03-24, 03:26PM
We don't all put tins on shelves and simply scan items on a til.
Go and do a week on stock control, cash office, merchandising or backdoor etc and see how you get on.

Not all GA roles are that simple. I'll give you 1500 counts on a Monday morning or 15 mod power aisle change planograms and see what you think then
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Paulie on 06-03-24, 03:36PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 04:44PM
Quote from: JJH on 06-03-24, 02:29PM
Quote from: General Thorn on 06-03-24, 12:46PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:58AM
Quote from: Yogurt on 06-03-24, 02:59AMIt was described in a previous pay review that the pay increase is on the base pay and that the skills payment is a separate thing. So shift leaders do get the 9.1% pay rise. The skills payment for the added responsibility for any job that gets a pay rise is an addition which is why that isn't taken into account.
No they get a 5% payrise the 9.1 includes the statutory increase set by the government of the day. It is wrong for usdaw to be telling people they have negotiated 9.1% when they only negotiated 5% of that. Its 9.1% including the legally required living wage increase.

9.1% on top of living wage would have been 12.48.
Tesco with their smoke and mirrors and half truths. They really like to treat their employees as if they are devoid of brain cells.

As said above, 9.1% of £11.02 would give you just over a £1 of a rise. With the NMW going up to £11.44 next month and Tesco legally bound to pay that, our rise is actually just 58p an hour which is about 5%.

Shame no-one is reporting it like that.
That's just nonsense, of course it wouldn't be reported like that.

A payrise is from what you were previously paid to what your new rate is. Ie. 9.1%

The living wage in this instance is irrelevant.

I understand & agree with the frustrations around the changes to Sunday premium but 9% is 9% whichever way you spin it. Given some of the hysterics on here I wonder what exactly people think they should have received!
it is not irrelevant its about reporting accurate figures USDAW did not negotiate a £1 pay rise
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 06-03-24, 05:08PM
Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 03:36PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.
My Tesco wage allows me to have a home, a car, go out socialising & have nice holidays etc without having to use savings. The problem with a lot of people is they live beyond their means & now due to the cost of living crisis are having to give things up.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 06-03-24, 05:12PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Customers ultimately pay for our pay packet - not Tesco!!
Prices in retail and hospitality are going through the nose - partly fuelled by the 20% increase to NLW/NMW in the last two years -

Couldn't believe on a recent visit to 'Spoons (first in a while) that a standard "burger and beer" meal deal was over £10!! I remember £6.99, maybe £7.49.......

Ultimately, it's all just money sloshing around the system but none of us are really better off - well Ken might be - as might our new UK CEO Matthew (I think) - he'll be ok too.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 06-03-24, 05:22PM
Quote from: fatlad on 06-03-24, 05:08PM
Quote from: Paulie on 06-03-24, 03:36PM
Quote from: Happyguy on 06-03-24, 03:08PMI'm a bit like Fatlad, in that a previous job role has left me in a very fortunate position, whereby my Tesco job is just a nice way of passing that few years until I retire these days.
I can say that I honestly don't understand what people were expecting of this latest pay rise.
We are retail workers, and food retail at that. Without being funny, we are ten a penny in the job marketplace, and easily replaced.
I think this rise is brilliant and I'm very grateful to Tesco for providing it. My job is simple, as are all CA roles. You could train anyone to do our roles. We're not brain surgeons, or public servants putting our lives at risk to protect people, we put tins on a shelf and scan them at the checkout and take payment. I think at £12+ per hour it's us that are robbing Tesco, not the other way round.

Some of the people on here seem to like complaining for the sake of it.
Any full time work should easily cover cost of  all bills and leave you with savings at the end.

£12 an hour this day and age verses cost of living is atrocious, you need to give up your car and look to the food banks if your single and renting. It's not even worth working, workers counting their pennies at the end of the month, while some on benefits going to bingo 5 nights a week putting in £60 into slot machines. The country is on its backend.
My Tesco wage allows me to have a home, a car, go out socialising & have nice holidays etc without having to use savings. The problem with a lot of people is they live beyond their means & now due to the cost of living crisis are having to give things up.
I'm not sure you are the "typical" Tesco worker on here - you've already admitted this is simply a "wind down to retirement job"
You say "Tesco allows me to have a home" - well for most workers to "have a home" that means paying rent or mortgage - you've already stated you are mortgage free - so clearly you don't rely on Tesco's wages to pay the main running cost of a home.
You say "a car" - well many of us have cars - mainly due to unsociable hours that Tesco expects us to work and not being able to rely on public transport etc.

Nice holidays....ok....the list goes on.

I don't want to generalise - but the gist of the truth is somewhere along the lines of the following:

Most Tesco workers do not get contracted to FT hours - therefore, they are only guaranteed a relatively modest weekly/monthly income - ok you hope to pick up extra hours - but again no guarantee - and also those extra hours might be at the expense of a good work/life balance.

So if we assume, at best, most Tesco employees might be on 30 hours a week - at £12 an hour = £360 week - £1450 per month - less tax/NI/Pension conts = take home pay = £1300

I haven't included location pay - therefore to be fair, I won't use London/South East rents -

so an average UK rent outside SE might be the equiv of £750 per month for a single person? Or if in a couple, then maybe a single person's share might be £600

That only leaves about £550-700 per months for other expenses - utility costs/travel costs/clothing/all the usual stuff -

So unfortunately, working for Tesco or indeed any other min wage employer still remains a real struggle to meet even "basic" bills.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 06-03-24, 05:46PM
take step back just one moment,staff work dam hard for tesco,every day and it does not matter if your days or nights, you put your soul into making the company great, but tesco only think profits and how great they are,and any way they think to cut costs they will do so.and if it means they can save money at our expense they will do it.i my self today sent an email to our union and put a question to them and i wait for a reply from them, i dont mind sharing with you all what my question to them because it,s as complications to any one who works on sunday.The rule regarding Sunday premiums at Tesco appears to be a topic of contention. While Tesco emphasizes that the change to a 10% premium for Sunday working maintains its value, there's an underlying concern that this reduction may have unintended consequences. The union's silence on the matter suggests that there might be more to the story.

Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%. However, the future remains uncertain. As the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve, it's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become a relic of the past, consigned to the history books.

The tension between maintaining fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is palpable. Whether Sunday premiums will indeed vanish remains to be seen.if we are not happy with what has taken place with our pay rise then you all have to email the union and tell them so and put pressure on them,to say the job we all  do in stores is unskilled is  wrong we all do muiltskills of some sought or other,for get them in head office they dont have a clue to what happens in stores, because every thing is glossed over for the big wigs.what you have to remember all supermarkets want every thing at a low cost, and we the work force fall into that category as cheap labour,

they should appreciate our  dedication and hard work at Tesco. It's evident that you and your colleagues put in tremendous effort to make the company successful. However, make your concerns known  about the recent changes, particularly regarding Sunday premiums.

Tesco has recently reached a pay rise agreement with the Usdaw union, which will significantly increase the hourly pay for colleagues in stores from £11.02 to £12.02 per hour—a rate above the 'real' Living Wage outside London. This pay increase represents a 9.1% raise and a record investment of over £300 million in hourly pay. Additionally, Tesco remains one of the few supermarkets that recognizes an independent trade union and negotiates pay rates with them for all its hourly-paid colleagues in the UK1.

However, I understand that the reduction in Sunday premiums by 50% has raised concerns. While Tesco asserts that this change maintains the value of Sunday working, there's a valid worry that unintended consequences may arise. The future of Sunday premiums remains uncertain, especially as the National Living Wage (NLW) continues to evolve. It's possible that Sunday premiums could eventually become obsolete, consigned to history1.

The tension between fair compensation and cost-cutting measures is indeed palpable. As you rightly pointed out, the work done in stores involves multiple skills, and it's essential to recognize the value of your contributions. While head office decisions may not always fully grasp the intricacies of daily store operations, your efforts are crucial to Tesco's success.

If you're dissatisfied with the recent changes, consider following your suggestion: email the union and express your concerns. Constructive engagement with trade unions can lead to positive outcomes, especially during times when the cost of living weighs heavily on employees. Your collective voice matters, and it's essential to advocate for fair treatment and recognition of the skills you bring to the table.

Remember that supermarkets aim for cost efficiency, but it's crucial to strike a balance that doesn't compromise the well-being of their workforce. You and your colleagues play a vital role, and your labor should be valued accordingly
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 05:58PM
They will just sit here moaning the same as the pay review it self only turnout is so low for any polling thats done
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PM
Who do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Cookie on 06-03-24, 07:33PM
For me the pay rise is good, I will be able to give up OT to make up money. I've been with the company 26 years and as a team support I was getting approx £16 an hour back in the day . But Sunday is a normal workday now , things change!!!
Everyone moaning about paying bills, it's the government's fault we are so skint , Tesco are not going to make you rich . Why does everyone stay in a job they hate and feel like they are just a number? There plenty of jobs out there so just move on
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 07:53PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff
then thats something to take up with the area organiser, you can also put the forum slips into your forums as well ( then you just need the store manager not to be corrupt and actually send it to store director forums
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 08:01PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff
TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 06-03-24, 08:22PM
Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.
Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 09:11PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 08:01PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff
TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency. Il ask this simple question  can you honestly give 3 reasons why staff should continue to pay into the union per month ?? Last year or so was a huge eye opener for me and others in my store alone when near 60 members dropped out of union
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: madness on 06-03-24, 09:27PM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 06-03-24, 08:22PM
Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.
Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.
Become a manager then, you'll soon see how c**p a job it is.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 06-03-24, 10:57PM
The managers job on nights is a c**p job, the ones on days are stealing a living. Believe me I know because I have done both roles!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 11:39PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 09:11PM
Quote from: jm876546886 on 06-03-24, 08:01PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..
exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff
TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency. Il ask this simple question  can you honestly give 3 reasons why staff should continue to pay into the union per month ?? Last year or so was a huge eye opener for me and others in my store alone when near 60 members dropped out of union
Pay isnt the number 1 reason people join a union anyway they join to be represented when there is problems at work. pay issues come out as number 2 in the priority list. i'd stay in just to have some one incase i need representation
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 07-03-24, 06:26AM
Quote from: madness on 06-03-24, 09:27PM
Quote from: Duff McKagan on 06-03-24, 08:22PM
Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.
Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.
Become a manager then, you'll soon see how c**p a job it is.
Night premium is for the unsociable hours worked, not complexity or the responsibility of the job you do and is supposed to be equal for all people working those hours. I work the same number of night premium hours as my manager so should get the same amount of money, not £1000 a year less
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 07-03-24, 07:05AM
Could that be a case for acas discrimination all because they are management does not give them the right to get more night premium.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 07-03-24, 07:21AM
Precisely, it has nothing to do with what job you do, how hard it is, how hard you work, or how much responsibility the job entails. If you work between the hours of midnight and 6am you get a premium for those hours and that premium should be equal across the board. If a full time night manager gets £1000 extra night premium then all full time night staff should get £1000 extra, then obviously if you work less hours during the night premium window, i.e you work 3 nights a week then you would naturally get less night premium in total but the hourly rate would still be equal.  It is quite blatant discrimination, its a two tier premium and thats not right.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Davethebave on 07-03-24, 08:22AM
The extra money is to attracted managers into the role full time, it's not an easy role to fill all the time.

With them letting managers go and now brining them back again they need to do
Something to fill the roles.

If a day manager does a nightshift for a night, they receive the same premium as a GA aswell
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Grandad on 07-03-24, 09:00AM
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 06-03-24, 12:20PMYou'll never get another increase in night premium now. They're just working you to the bone, hoping you'll quit so they don't have to fork out much redundancy when they get rid of night shifts.
quicker the better!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 07-03-24, 09:22AM
Quote from: Davethebave on 07-03-24, 08:22AMThe extra money is to attracted managers into the role full time, it's not an easy role to fill all the time.

With them letting managers go and now brining them back again they need to do
Something to fill the roles.

If a day manager does a nightshift for a night, they receive the same premium as a GA aswell
Then offer them a better base salary, don't give them a bigger premium. Night premium should be an equal hourly rate for everyone working those hours.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Hammer10 on 07-03-24, 10:01AM
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Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 07-03-24, 10:14AM
I've said it for years on here... the forum process as a means to negotiate our pay deal are both farcical and undemocratic.
The Union pass the buck to both shop stewards and membership alike by basically stating that it is not Usdaw's fault if certain items do not make it to the national forum to be negotiated by the pay team. It's a cop out. It's an insult to one's intelligence.

Furthermore the Union use the same rhetoric when stating that a move to a vote by all members on a pay deal would lead to weakening our position in gaining a "decent pay deal" due to what they forecast to being a "low turn out of votes". Basically accusing members of being apathetic. The irony! It is the Union that are apathetic... laying full responsibility on less than 50 members to vote on behalf of tens of thousands of members. Putin would be proud of this system.

Distribution have a vote on pay. Members (Usdaw or other trade unions) within other retailers have a vote on pay. They insult us. They are happy with the status quo as it relieves them of the very responsibilities that are expected of any trade union.

The Partnership Agreement continues to screw us all as it prevents members in having a right to vote on pay.

No doubt there may very well be conscientious individuals on the National Forum. But that's not the point. The point is that they vote on behalf of us all and that is not right no matter how Usdaw spin it.

The continuous erosion of all manner of premiums leave the rise in basic pay as meaningless. Yet they spin it as a success.

It's about time the Union have a long hard look at itself and this diabolical forum process as it's clearly screwing us over.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 07-03-24, 10:26AM
well said i could not have put it any better my self, :thumbup:
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: watersedge on 07-03-24, 10:34AM
I dont know if its been mentioned here already, but does anybody know what the rate is for bank holiday working, and has it changed since our pay rise?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: stewright90 on 07-03-24, 10:59AM
Quote from: watersedge on 07-03-24, 10:34AMI dont know if its been mentioned here already, but does anybody know what the rate is for bank holiday working, and has it changed since our pay rise?
As far as I am aware (I never work them, so I am not 100%), bank holidays follow Sunday premiums so they will be down to 10% also.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: jm876546886 on 07-03-24, 11:04AM
Quote from: Loki on 07-03-24, 10:14AMI've said it for years on here... the forum process as a means to negotiate our pay deal are both farcical and undemocratic.
The Union pass the buck to both shop stewards and membership alike by basically stating that it is not Usdaw's fault if certain items do not make it to the national forum to be negotiated by the pay team. It's a cop out. It's an insult to one's intelligence.

Furthermore the Union use the same rhetoric when stating that a move to a vote by all members on a pay deal would lead to weakening our position in gaining a "decent pay deal" due to what they forecast to being a "low turn out of votes". Basically accusing members of being apathetic. The irony! It is the Union that are apathetic... laying full responsibility on less than 50 members to vote on behalf of tens of thousands of members. Putin would be proud of this system.

Distribution have a vote on pay. Members (Usdaw or other trade unions) within other retailers have a vote on pay. They insult us. They are happy with the status quo as it relieves them of the very responsibilities that are expected of any trade union.

The Partnership Agreement continues to screw us all as it prevents members in having a right to vote on pay.

No doubt there may very well be conscientious individuals on the National Forum. But that's not the point. The point is that they vote on behalf of us all and that is not right no matter how Usdaw spin it.

The continuous erosion of all manner of premiums leave the rise in basic pay as meaningless. Yet they spin it as a success.

It's about time the Union have a long hard look at itself and this diabolical forum process as it's clearly screwing us over.
pretty much what i told them in the briefing.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: grim up north on 07-03-24, 11:11AM
I've said it before, but if any of you feel that strongly about the partnership agreement, and are at the end of your tether, why not pay the Usdaw President a visit in person? In the last union booklet it told you which store she works in, her job role and had a photo of her. If you approach in a non threatening manner and ask for a few minutes of her time perhaps it might get things to change? Then you can report back here how you got on
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 07-03-24, 11:56AM
just been on our tesco help site,Shop colleagues who are employed to work only on a Sunday cannot opt out, instead they would need to either find an alternative position without a Sunday contract or resign from their position at Tesco. but it does not say any thing about if you work the night shift and one of my days happens to be on sunday. any info would be of help thank you.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-03-24, 11:59AM
In theory, there is a min number of hours to which you can be contracted. If you didn't really "need" the money, you could just be on zero hours contract, never do any "overtime" but still keep the discount card and build up service - so get the gift cards that come with 15/25/40/50 years!! I'd be up for that (if I didn't need the wages!)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-03-24, 12:02PM
Quote from: stewright90 on 07-03-24, 10:59AM
Quote from: watersedge on 07-03-24, 10:34AMI dont know if its been mentioned here already, but does anybody know what the rate is for bank holiday working, and has it changed since our pay rise?
As far as I am aware (I never work them, so I am not 100%), bank holidays follow Sunday premiums so they will be down to 10% also.
Bank holidays are currently 25% and they remain at 25% with this new deal.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-03-24, 02:30PM
A full time CA working every Sunday and every bank holiday would be on just over £24k a year, while not the most impressive of pay, it's still more than quite a few office jobs out there such as paralegal and some finance jobs. A lot of office jobs pay between £28-£30k a year.

It really isn't that bad at all in the greater scheme of things.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 07-03-24, 03:03PM
How many full-time GAs do you think exist at Tesco now? Very few I'd say. Superstore I work at has 200+ GAs....2 of them have full-time contracts. Overtime only comes around at Christmas and the day before a visit.

Don't get me wrong, there are fews GAs who I personally know that are having a blast at Tesco. Good core hours, early shifts so they are not in the building after 3pm. Old contracts so sick paid from day one. They also use to that sick pay like annual holiday and rinse it every single year. They don't attend checkout calls and they barely get asked to do anything, it's practically free money for them.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-03-24, 03:39PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-03-24, 02:30PMA full time CA working every Sunday and every bank holiday would be on just over £24k a year, while not the most impressive of pay, it's still more than quite a few office jobs out there such as paralegal and some finance jobs. A lot of office jobs pay between £28-£30k a year.

It really isn't that bad at all in the greater scheme of things.
And like for like comparison with that office worker who works Mon-Fri 9-5 with no BHs or weekends.

Apples and pears!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 07-03-24, 05:50PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/tesco-pay-rise-delay-leaves-many-workers-earning-under-minimum-wage/ar-BB1juZBV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W022&cvid=b81e09f1dab448eda898944cab246297&ei=19
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 07-03-24, 06:35PM
Interesting.....as usual the same old rhetoric spouted by Tesco and Udaws

"A Tesco spokesperson said: "We are investing over £300m in colleague pay, bringing our hourly rate to £12.02, which is significantly ahead of the national living wage, in a deal that has the full support of Usdaw.

"Our new rate is effective from our April pay period as set out in the HMRC guidelines, and we are fully compliant with all NLW requirements. We have a strong track record of making substantial investments in colleague pay and, since 2022, we have increased hourly pay by 26%, investing more than £750m in our colleagues."


"significantly ahead" = about 5%
"full support of Usdaw" - absolutely it has but yet in the same article we get a quote from Usdaw stating:

Daniel Adams, the national officer for the Usdaw union, which agreed the new pay deal, said: "Whilst we would have preferred that the company implemented this increase earlier, as Usdaw had originally requested, the regulations do allow them to make that decision.  - doesn't exactly sound like "full support"

As for this strong track record - if anyone goes back about 7 or 8 years ago - before the NLW really started to ramp up because the Govt grew some backbone - basically when the NMW only went up a few pence each year - and when it was first introduced it was at such a low level that even Tesco's base pay looked good - there was at least one year where Tesco gave us no rise at all - and other years where it was just a pittance.

Just managed to Google and find this article about our pay rise for 2016-17.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/02/tesco-store-staff-31-extra-basic-pay-but-cuts-bonuses

Funny how the same terms are used over and over again - and compared to now - since that time we've gone from 1.5x for Sunday to 1.1x and the "5% bonus" has done a burton!!

The only reason for any "substantial investment" is due to the NLW actually matching/beating inflation for the last few years.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: londoner83 on 08-03-24, 07:31AM
The only reason for a substantial pay rise is that the government has come to realise that unless the national minimum wages reflects the costs of living; taxpayers will thru Universial Credit have to top up low pay. Therefore each year they are substantially raising the NMW to pass those costs onto business and off of the taxpayer.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jacks on 08-03-24, 10:05AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 08-03-24, 07:31AMThe only reason for a substantial pay rise is that the government has come to realise that unless the national minimum wages reflects the costs of living; taxpayers will thru Universial Credit have to top up low pay. Therefore each year they are substantially raising the NMW to pass those costs onto business and off of the taxpayer.
I have been saying that for years. The benefits system should be a safety net for us all not a system for big business to prop up their under paid staff.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Babs on 08-03-24, 11:17AM
lol
4 weeks working under minimum wage...
Can only mean, minimum work effort !
And I've no idea why they would increase personal discount allowance, what percentage actually uses it all?
Think what isn't used throughout the year, should then be given as like a bonus! But that'll never happen. Should have increased the discount instead.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 08-03-24, 01:18PM
As others have said on here, it's an empty(ish) gesture (raising our limit to £2k) but it looks great in print.
You're also correct about not getting any remaining discount back as a bonus - if that was the case, I'd have a lot of "backpay" owing to me. Even when the limit was £700 and less.....
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 08-03-24, 01:48PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/tesco-workers-angry-as-pay-rise-delay-leaves-staff-earning-under-minimum-wage/ar-BB1jyn7y?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W022&cvid=bdc8978d508c4e55868d8b7da179db4b&ei=176, >:D tesco did not want this to come out has it looks bad on them, but they are passing the buck, saying the union had agTesco employee reached out to The Mirror to share their frustration noting that although it was not "illegal" it "surely must be immoral". There will be 220,000 Tesco workers missing out on an extra £1 an hour before the new rate is introduced at the end of April. Due to this, The Guardian estimates Tesco will be saving more than £17million.

The supermarket chain will also be saving 42p an hour - or overall £7million compared with if it paid the new legal minimum wage for those 21 and over. The new pay deal was negotiated and agreed upon by the Usdaw Union who said the new deal made Tesco workers "amongst the highest paid in the sector" to this but they are just has bad  has each other, the one thing that comes to mind which ever way you look at it, looks good for their profits,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 02:27PM
Like I've said previously the union are in Tescos back pocket 17 million saved in one month is pretty scandalous really give it to the staff who are keeping the company ticking over not saving it for the end of year profit rubbish when the bigwigs will get a hefty bonus while the  staff miss the first month or so of there higher wage ... usdaw not fit for purpose
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 02:31PM
Quote from: barafear on 07-03-24, 03:39PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-03-24, 02:30PMA full time CA working every Sunday and every bank holiday would be on just over £24k a year, while not the most impressive of pay, it's still more than quite a few office jobs out there such as paralegal and some finance jobs. A lot of office jobs pay between £28-£30k a year.

It really isn't that bad at all in the greater scheme of things.
And like for like comparison with that office worker who works Mon-Fri 9-5 with no BHs or weekends.

Apples and pears!!
24k I do 35 hours I just worked mine out I'm just getting 22k and that's working 7 hours on a Sunday
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 08-03-24, 02:36PM
As a matter of interest - how is paternity leave paid - as an average of previous wages or just basic weekly contract hours?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: SAMCRO on 08-03-24, 04:30PM
Yes a legal loophole means that Tesco has pulled a blinder and will be saving themselves £17million next month by paying their 300,000+ staff less than minimum wage.

How does USDAW have any members? This pay deal is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 08-03-24, 04:54PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 02:31PM
Quote from: barafear on 07-03-24, 03:39PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-03-24, 02:30PMA full time CA working every Sunday and every bank holiday would be on just over £24k a year, while not the most impressive of pay, it's still more than quite a few office jobs out there such as paralegal and some finance jobs. A lot of office jobs pay between £28-£30k a year.

It really isn't that bad at all in the greater scheme of things.
And like for like comparison with that office worker who works Mon-Fri 9-5 with no BHs or weekends.

Apples and pears!!
24k I do 35 hours I just worked mine out I'm just getting 22k and that's working 7 hours on a Sunday
Did you include working every BH too?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 07:08PM
Quote from: barafear on 08-03-24, 04:54PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 02:31PM
Quote from: barafear on 07-03-24, 03:39PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-03-24, 02:30PMA full time CA working every Sunday and every bank holiday would be on just over £24k a year, while not the most impressive of pay, it's still more than quite a few office jobs out there such as paralegal and some finance jobs. A lot of office jobs pay between £28-£30k a year.

It really isn't that bad at all in the greater scheme of things.
And like for like comparison with that office worker who works Mon-Fri 9-5 with no BHs or weekends.

Apples and pears!!
24k I do 35 hours I just worked mine out I'm just getting 22k and that's working 7 hours on a Sunday
Did you include working every BH too?
yup Good Friday Easter Monday the 2 in may and August one I do 7hour days and unless I'm missing something the 3£ premium for 7hours is 21£ extra per day for bank holidays across the 5 it's 105£ extra
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Bikerguy on 08-03-24, 07:30PM
Tesco f****ng staff over under paying nm wage they save £17million ,everylittle helps lol
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 07:38PM
Wages before tax is around 1725 x 13 = 22425 note the before tax using a calculator after tax its 19800
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Loki on 08-03-24, 08:10PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 08-03-24, 04:30PMYes a legal loophole means that Tesco has pulled a blinder and will be saving themselves £17million next month by paying their 300,000+ staff less than minimum wage.

How does USDAW have any members? This pay deal is a disgrace.
An absolute disgrace it is. Tesco clearly failed in their attempt to portray themselves as a generous employer. It's bad enough they've yet again slashed the Sunday premium, frozen skill payments and night premiums. But for them to use a legal loophole to delay the pay rise leaving the majority of their store workers being paid less than the living wage for a month is callous and truly demonstrates what they really think of their employees. We've known it for years... now the media can see it too.

As for Usdaw... they continue to fold, making pathetic excuses for Tesco instead of making any real attempt to fight them, resulting in s**tting on its members and reps.

What kind of trade union recommends and endorses its members to not have a vote on pay and instead prefers to be in partnership with a company that exploits its workers.

It's one sick demented joke.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 08-03-24, 08:37PM
Quote from: Loki on 08-03-24, 08:10PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 08-03-24, 04:30PMYes a legal loophole means that Tesco has pulled a blinder and will be saving themselves £17million next month by paying their 300,000+ staff less than minimum wage.

How does USDAW have any members? This pay deal is a disgrace.
An absolute disgrace it is. Tesco clearly failed in their attempt to portray themselves as a generous employer. It's bad enough they've yet again slashed the Sunday premium, frozen skill payments and night premiums. But for them to use a legal loophole to delay the pay rise leaving the majority of their store workers being paid less than the living wage for a month is callous and truly demonstrates what they really think of their employees. We've known it for years... now the media can see it too.

As for Usdaw... they continue to fold, making pathetic excuses for Tesco instead of making any real attempt to fight them, resulting in s**tting on its members and reps.

What kind of trade union recommends and endorses its members to not have a vote on pay and instead prefers to be in partnership with a company that exploits its workers.

It's one sick demented joke.
couldn't have put it better myself how people still pay into usdaw every month baffles me when they are not fit for purpose
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 08-03-24, 08:45PM
 app gone about the pay rise was it cause strikes were mentioned? (-*-)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Nightworker23 on 09-03-24, 04:14AM
Quote from: rupert7 on 08-03-24, 08:45PMapp gone about the pay rise was it cause strikes were mentioned? (-*-)
You're right.
Just checked "My Tesco" and the only thing on there about the pay award is refering to lady years deal.
I wonder if they're back tracking?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Duff McKagan on 09-03-24, 07:17AM
Quote from: Loki on 08-03-24, 08:10PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 08-03-24, 04:30PMYes a legal loophole means that Tesco has pulled a blinder and will be saving themselves £17million next month by paying their 300,000+ staff less than minimum wage.

How does USDAW have any members? This pay deal is a disgrace.
An absolute disgrace it is. Tesco clearly failed in their attempt to portray themselves as a generous employer. It's bad enough they've yet again slashed the Sunday premium, frozen skill payments and night premiums. But for them to use a legal loophole to delay the pay rise leaving the majority of their store workers being paid less than the living wage for a month is callous and truly demonstrates what they really think of their employees. We've known it for years... now the media can see it too.

As for Usdaw... they continue to fold, making pathetic excuses for Tesco instead of making any real attempt to fight them, resulting in s**tting on its members and reps.

What kind of trade union recommends and endorses its members to not have a vote on pay and instead prefers to be in partnership with a company that exploits its workers.

It's one sick demented joke.
100% agree, its a disgrace to make us wait pretty much 2 months to receive any benefit of the pay rise, our council tax increases won't wait until the end of may, our rent and other increases at the start of the financial year won't wait until the end of may. People are at their wits end trying to figure out how they will pay the bills as it is without having to wait for their money.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 09-03-24, 07:42AM
Just reading now on mirror online and a few other outlets about this aswell it's extremely poor by Tesco and by the so called union backing this ... it would be hillarious if strike action was balloted for but sadly in all the years I've worked for Tesco I've never seen such happen and doubt it will
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 09:40AM
what strong hold does tesco have over Usdaw, because that very same union is acting for asda members which are now taking some strike actions in somes stores across the the contry.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 10:41AM
next time you go in to tesco  in mold
Usdaw President – Jane Jones is a supermarket worker from Mold in North Wales,please ask her how her union can live with it,s self claiming to have it,s members interest at heart, came across this  .https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2022/Jun/1-in-4-food-retail-workers-skipping-meals-to-pay-b (https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2022/Jun/1-in-4-food-retail-workers-skipping-meals-to-pay-b)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 10:58AM
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.usdaw.org.uk (https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.usdaw.org.uk)  that speaks for it,s self
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Totot on 09-03-24, 11:32AM
It is obvious for quite a while, tesco directyor, ceo and management mid and high  only care about themself. Just want to please big stock holders, and please them so they can get extra whatever they want to squeeze more money, and mostly with with the expenses of lower paid employee.

They business strategy doesn't make sense, and not working. Doesn't seems like have a solid ground behind it. Theft increase, shrink goes up, just make policy like security tag, head com, cam, lock waste cage etc,and call it policy for the sake of policy even it is not working. It will be like staff working isle, take 8 cages stay all shift looks so busy, walking around and in the end of the shift, the cage still full, the shelf is more empty. No mid and high management care about output, or they don't understand that.

Pay wise, for me is ok. Not ok for a good reason, but ok because we still living in slavery era. When you work long time, earn money that legally supposed to be earn, and still have nothing, no house, no tangible long term asset, no different with slave, work all their life, and leave nothing valuable.

Union wise,  ah this supposed to be obvious. Just like insurance company, they are here not to do charity job, but to earn profit, period. The question is is it justifiable or not.If you pay and get benefit from what they promise good for you. But if it is not, what you pay them for then.

We loose free stock, bonus, free voucher, extra discount, shorter night premium, sunday and bank holiday premium, and we still earn just a little above minimum wage, and under for 27 days later on.
If anyone happy to pay for that, fair enough, but where the logic? Paying taxes to pay the gov to increase minimum wage already cover that. What is this overkill paying twice for probably less what we can bargain for?

So again, is it worth paying the union to erode our right? Is the union want to improve our deal or just want your money ( and money side way from whatever it is )?
Would you pay a painter just to ruin your house paint by never paint it and make it looks worse with half scrapping it?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: BritishRacingGreen on 09-03-24, 01:27PM
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 09-03-24, 04:14AM
Quote from: rupert7 on 08-03-24, 08:45PMapp gone about the pay rise was it cause strikes were mentioned? (-*-)
You're right.
Just checked "My Tesco" and the only thing on there about the pay award is refering to lady years deal.
I wonder if they're back tracking?
Still on News and Views on the app under 'your benefits are adding up'
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 01:29PM
1)In terms of damage limitation, Tesco could focus on transparent communication with its employees, explaining the reasons behind the delay and the measures taken to ensure fair compensation. Additionally, Tesco might engage in positive public relations efforts to showcase its overall investment in staff welfare and its position as one of the highest-paying employers in the sector (2Tesco is advised to practice open communication and ensure fair compensation to limit damage from the pay rise delay while also promoting its investment in employee welfare.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 09-03-24, 03:08PM
Does anyone know if Tesco pension was mentioned in this review? Wondering if the monthly pension will rise as well.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 04:14PM
https://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016#Usdaw_Reps (https://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016#Usdaw_Reps) you all might find this interesting to read 
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 04:17PM
 nothing at all was said about  Tesco pension    review?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Doggiedoodle on 09-03-24, 04:22PM
Thanks for the reply! I meant in the briefing sorry not review.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 08:16PM
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/12942869826076 (https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/12942869826076)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 10-03-24, 01:45AM
Quote from: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 08:16PMhttps://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/12942869826076 (https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/12942869826076)
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Quote from: rupert7 on 09-03-24, 04:14PMhttps://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016#Usdaw_Reps (https://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016#Usdaw_Reps) you all might find this interesting to read 
OMG. Surely tosco and tesdaw must be embarassed by all these lies and bovine excrement >:(
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: lackofinterest on 10-03-24, 01:54AM
sorry quoted wrong post in the first instance
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 11-03-24, 08:14AM
Loyalty and commitment means nothing to Tesco any more, we are all just a number sold down the river.' >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Raven on 11-03-24, 10:11AM
Having to wait those extra 4 weeks means that over the course of 52 weeks from 1st April, average hourly pay is actually £11.94... so we're actually one of the lowest paying. Waitrose is £11.55, Asda £11.89 as an average, then us (not sure about Morrisons). Looks good boasting that it's going to be £12.02 though.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 11-03-24, 11:52AM
Said it a billion times don't tell me usdaw are not in Tescos back pocket how can a workers union go along with a company underpaying staff for a month or so to the fact it's saving Tesco 17 million in one month
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 11-03-24, 11:57AM
Quote from: rupert7 on 11-03-24, 08:14AMLoyalty and commitment means nothing to Tesco any more, we are all just a number sold down the river.' >:D
many moons ago u actually felt like Tesco / managers cared now I've heard staff say to senior management serious complaint about something and response off senior management was well if you don't like it you know where the door is it just makes you think why bother if you don't care why should we after a lot of years working for Tescos I can safely say this is possibly the worst I've ever seen store morale
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jovi5 on 11-03-24, 02:27PM
Good afternoon. Is anyone able to confirm whether the South east/kent are retaining the location pay of 45p?. Hasn't been mentioned in any posts either here or tesco site. Thank you
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 11-03-24, 02:28PM
Quote from: Jovi5 on 11-03-24, 02:27PMGood afternoon. Is anyone able to confirm whether the South east/kent are retaining the location pay of 45p?. Hasn't been mentioned in any posts either here or tesco site. Thank you
Tesco have to give 12 months notice if location pay is reduced/removed. So the assumption is that there is no change.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 11-03-24, 02:32PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 11-03-24, 11:52AMSaid it a billion times don't tell me usdaw are not in Tescos back pocket how can a workers union go along with a company underpaying staff for a month or so to the fact it's saving Tesco 17 million in one month
Details of the partnership agreement. Anyone know whether the bit about Usdaw engagement with all new starters actually happens?

https://www.tescoplc.com/blog/investing-in-our-colleagues-how-we-work-collaboratively-with-unions/

Only recently "updated" - so fairly sure we might be stuck with it for another 5+ years.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: Jovi5 on 11-03-24, 04:04PM
Quote from: barafear on 11-03-24, 02:28PM
Quote from: Jovi5 on 11-03-24, 02:27PMGood afternoon. Is anyone able to confirm whether the South east/kent are retaining the location pay of 45p?. Hasn't been mentioned in any posts either here or tesco site. Thank you
Tesco have to give 12 months notice if location pay is reduced/removed. So the assumption is that there is no change.
Thank you for your reply.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 11-03-24, 04:09PM
https://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016 (https://wageindicator.co.uk/advice/collective-agreements-database/tesco-partnership-agreement-with-usdaw---2016)
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 11-03-24, 05:51PM
Quote from: barafear on 11-03-24, 02:32PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 11-03-24, 11:52AMSaid it a billion times don't tell me usdaw are not in Tescos back pocket how can a workers union go along with a company underpaying staff for a month or so to the fact it's saving Tesco 17 million in one month
Details of the partnership agreement. Anyone know whether the bit about Usdaw engagement with all new starters actually happens?

https://www.tescoplc.com/blog/investing-in-our-colleagues-how-we-work-collaboratively-with-unions/

Only recently "updated" - so fairly sure we might be stuck with it for another 5+ years.
I've never known usdaw to engage with new starters apart from nagging them to join union
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 11-03-24, 06:51PM
As a Tesco worker, it can indeed be challenging when the company recognizes only one union. However, there are steps you and your fellow workers can take to address this situation:

Organize and Educate:
Build Solidarity: Connect with your colleagues and raise awareness about the importance of collective action. The more workers who understand the benefits of union representation, the stronger your position becomes.
Educate Others: Share information about other unions and their advantages. Highlight how multiple unions can provide diverse perspectives and better represent workers' interests.
Explore Legal Avenues:
Challenge the Monopoly: While Tesco currently recognizes Usdaw, you can explore legal avenues to challenge this monopoly. Seek legal advice or consult with other unions to understand your options.
Supreme Court Decision: Take inspiration from the recent Supreme Court decision that granted Usdaw the right to challenge Tesco's "fire and rehire" policy1. Legal challenges can lead to changes in company policies.
Advocate for Change:
Petition Tesco: Organize a petition among workers requesting Tesco to recognize additional unions. Highlight the benefits of diverse representation and the importance of choice.
Engage with Management: Arrange meetings with Tesco management to discuss the issue. Present a compelling case for recognizing other unions alongside Usdaw.
Leverage Public Opinion:
Media and Public Awareness: Raise awareness through social media, local news, and public forums. Share stories about the benefits of multiple unions and how it can improve working conditions.
Customer Support: Engage Tesco customers and encourage them to support workers' rights to choose their preferred union. Public pressure can influence company decisions.
Seek Support from Other Unions:
Collaborate with Other Unions: Reach out to other unions, both within and outside the retail sector. Their experience and solidarity can strengthen your cause.
Joint Campaigns: Consider joint campaigns or coordinated efforts to advocate for workers' rights and union diversity.
Remember that change takes time, persistence, and collective effort. By standing together and advocating for fair representation, you can work towards a more inclusive and supportive environment at Tesco.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 12-03-24, 09:50AM
Date: 06 March 2024
Retail trade union Usdaw has balloted members working for Co-operative Group on a 10.1% pay rise and they have overwhelmingly accepted, with 87% voting in favour. The increase takes the basic hourly rate to £12 and will be paid from 1 April 2024.,so my question is yet again what strong hold do tesco have over  usdaw. >:D
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: King1999 on 12-03-24, 10:04AM
I would say alot of back handers to keep us lowly workers in the dark.Always find it odd how friendly they are knowing what they've given away and let happen to staff.....can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 11:19AM
Quote from: rupert7 on 12-03-24, 09:50AMDate: 06 March 2024
Retail trade union Usdaw has balloted members working for Co-operative Group on a 10.1% pay rise and they have overwhelmingly accepted, with 87% voting in favour. The increase takes the basic hourly rate to £12 and will be paid from 1 April 2024.,so my question is yet again what strong hold do tesco have over  usdaw. >:D
this is why I left usdaw the lies lies and more lies like I've said previously lady in usdaw offices told me all union members were balloted about losing yearly bonus to get a better wage increase note the word all I didn't hear anything neither did the near 60 union members in my store who left and oddly neither did the stores union reps and there supposed to be trustees our workers union ... how anyone still pays into the farce is beyond me
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 11:23AM
Quote from: King1999 on 12-03-24, 10:04AMI would say alot of back handers to keep us lowly workers in the dark.Always find it odd how friendly they are knowing what they've given away and let happen to staff.....can't be trusted.
100000% Tony tell me someone in usdaw isn't on the take the person who seems to accept everything Tesco throws at them the person who accepted on our behalf we should get paid below minimum wage  for 1 month saving Tesco 17 million should be removed from his post immediately don't tell me that would have passed any sort of staff ballot
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 12-03-24, 11:49AM
https://www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2024/03/12/aldi-pay-rises-again-boss-vows/?utm_source=Grocery+Gazette+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ef443749ff-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2024_02_19_10_19_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-1a55e0b289-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D, may be i will go and work for aldi, to be honest i,ve had enough of the c**p with tesco and usdaw, it wont get any better,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: fatlad on 12-03-24, 11:50AM
Aldi have just announced the 2nd pay increase of 2024. From June 1st the starting hourly rate is going up from £12 to £12.40.
Wonder if others will follow?
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: barafear on 12-03-24, 01:04PM
Quote from: fatlad on 12-03-24, 11:50AMAldi have just announced the 2nd pay increase of 2024. From June 1st the starting hourly rate is going up from £12 to £12.40.
Wonder if others will follow?
Fairly sure that Tesco won't!!!
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 01:16PM
Quote from: barafear on 12-03-24, 01:04PM
Quote from: fatlad on 12-03-24, 11:50AMAldi have just announced the 2nd pay increase of 2024. From June 1st the starting hourly rate is going up from £12 to £12.40.
Wonder if others will follow?
Fairly sure that Tesco won't!!!
I don't think we will hit 12.40 for a while yet
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: rupert7 on 12-03-24, 01:28PM
i,ve just had a call back from usdaw about my question about Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%,all they would say they would do is pass on my concerns, in other words they just passing the buck, so nothing new there, i,m done with tesco as of this morning i,ve just done my on line job app for Aldi,
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 01:45PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 12-03-24, 01:28PMi,ve just had a call back from usdaw about my question about Sunday premiums, which currently exist as an additional payment for working on Sundays, are set to reduce by 50%,all they would say they would do is pass on my concerns, in other words they just passing the buck, so nothing new there, i,m done with tesco as of this morning i,ve just done my on line job app for Aldi,
best thing to do opt out save you're self a few pound a month
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: inthemix on 12-03-24, 01:47PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 11:23AM
Quote from: King1999 on 12-03-24, 10:04AMI would say alot of back handers to keep us lowly workers in the dark.Always find it odd how friendly they are knowing what they've given away and let happen to staff.....can't be trusted.
100000% Tony tell me someone in usdaw isn't on the take the person who seems to accept everything Tesco throws at them the person who accepted on our behalf we should get paid below minimum wage  for 1 month saving Tesco 17 million should be removed from his post immediately don't tell me that would have passed any sort of staff ballot
Someone's definitely on the take. They've taken away your punctuation.
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 01:48PM
Quote from: inthemix on 12-03-24, 01:47PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 11:23AM
Quote from: King1999 on 12-03-24, 10:04AMI would say alot of back handers to keep us lowly workers in the dark.Always find it odd how friendly they are knowing what they've given away and let happen to staff.....can't be trusted.
100000% Tony tell me someone in usdaw isn't on the take the person who seems to accept everything Tesco throws at them the person who accepted on our behalf we should get paid below minimum wage  for 1 month saving Tesco 17 million should be removed from his post immediately don't tell me that would have passed any sort of staff ballot
Someone's definitely on the take. They've taken away your punctuation.
oh Christ get over yourself mind does it matter  you sound a right bundle of joy
Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: inthemix on 12-03-24, 01:50PM
Quote from: rupert7 on 11-03-24, 06:51PMAs a Tesco worker, it can indeed be challenging when the company recognizes only one union. However, there are steps you and your fellow workers can take to address this situation:

Organize and Educate:
Build Solidarity: Connect with your colleagues and raise awareness about the importance of collective action. The more workers who understand the benefits of union representation, the stronger your position becomes.
Educate Others: Share information about other unions and their advantages. Highlight how multiple unions can provide diverse perspectives and better represent workers' interests.
Explore Legal Avenues:
Challenge the Monopoly: While Tesco currently recognizes Usdaw, you can explore legal avenues to challenge this monopoly. Seek legal advice or consult with other unions to understand your options.
Supreme Court Decision: Take inspiration from the recent Supreme Court decision that granted Usdaw the right to challenge Tesco's "fire and rehire" policy1. Legal challenges can lead to changes in company policies.
Advocate for Change:
Petition Tesco: Organize a petition among workers requesting Tesco to recognize additional unions. Highlight the benefits of diverse representation and the importance of choice.
Engage with Management: Arrange meetings with Tesco management to discuss the issue. Present a compelling case for recognizing other unions alongside Usdaw.
Leverage Public Opinion:
Media and Public Awareness: Raise awareness through social media, local news, and public forums. Share stories about the benefits of multiple unions and how it can improve working conditions.
Customer Support: Engage Tesco customers and encourage them to support workers' rights to choose their preferred union. Public pressure can influence company decisions.
Seek Support from Other Unions:
Collaborate with Other Unions: Reach out to other unions, both within and outside the retail sector. Their experience and solidarity can strengthen your cause.
Joint Campaigns: Consider joint campaigns or coordinated efforts to advocate for workers' rights and union diversity.
Remember that change takes time, persistence, and collective effort. By standing together and advocating for fair representation, you can work towards a more inclusive and supportive environment at Tesco.
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Title: Re: Pay review 2023
Post by: inthemix on 12-03-24, 01:54PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 01:48PM
Quote from: inthemix on 12-03-24, 01:47PM
Quote from: 1982dave on 12-03-24, 11:23AM
Quote from: King1999 on 12-03-24, 10:04AMI would say alot of back handers to keep us lowly workers in the dark.Always find it odd how friendly they are knowing what they've given away and let happen to staff.....can't be trusted.
100000% Tony tell me someone in usdaw isn't on the take the person who seems to accept everything Tesco throws at them the person who accepted on our behalf we should get paid below minimum wage  for 1 month saving Tesco 17 million should be removed from his post immediately don't tell me that would have passed any sort of staff ballot
Someone's definitely on the take. They've taken away your punctuation.
oh Christ get over yourself mind does it matter  you sound a right bundle of joy
100000%? You're not on X-factor.