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Title: Management restructure
Post by: beentheredoneit on 03-03-21, 11:16PM
I thought, being as this is the largest management restructure for a while, it deserved to be a topic on it's own
it appears that every store is being categorised by turnover.
They will all have different structures
No redundancies.
Will probahly take several years to get where they want to be.
Remember - these are all soft changes, so no-one can be forced to do what they do not want to.
Good luck all.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 03-03-21, 11:48PM
Good luck indeed.

Looking at the Careers section of both Aldi and Lidl it's obvious, more than ever, the route in which we are headed.

I really thought DL was an absolute bell3nd but KM really is an hurry to fill his boots, and more.

Not surprised he hasn't, as yet, raised his head above the parapet-probably drinking Finest Champagne as we speak  >:(.

Still, I'm a firm believer in what goes around, comes around...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 04-03-21, 12:07AM
I'm a full time checkout team support in a superstore, I had my meeting today and the "off till activity" is exactly the same. It hasn't changed. I just don't see how they can drop my pay but still be expected to do the same activities. I'm still running the back.  :'( :'( :'(   
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 04-03-21, 12:31AM
Tesco's is doing us dirty.

We need to consider balloting for strike action.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 12:34AM
Incredibly sorry to hear that SwapDonkey.

No doubt some faceless wonder if HO will try and justify it by saying look for another job, if you don't like it, knowing full well the job market is on it's backside at the moment.

Looking at some of the comments posted on the job losses in Sainsbury's people are not cool whatsoever with supermarkets making a tidy profit during the pandemic, us working hard (and putting up with some serious carp) only to thank us by screwing us over.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 04-03-21, 01:12AM
Surly the job has changed?

Will you still have to do colleague training?
Fill overtime?
Do rotas?
Update the tablet?
Etc

Or are you just expected to manage customers/look after breaks/ opening and closing routines?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 01:43AM
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360088011992/Off_Till_Activity_My_Activities_-_Small_Superstores.pdf

Still a fair amount of responsibility...  ???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SW2207 on 04-03-21, 06:30AM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on 04-03-21, 12:07AM
I'm a full time checkout team support in a superstore, I had my meeting today and the "off till activity" is exactly the same. It hasn't changed. I just don't see how they can drop my pay but still be expected to do the same activities. I'm still running the back.  :'( :'( :'(
How will you pay drop?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SW2207 on 04-03-21, 06:33AM
Quote from: Davethebave on 04-03-21, 01:12AM
Surly the job has changed?

Will you still have to do colleague training?
Fill overtime?
Do rotas?
Update the tablet?
Etc

Or are you just expected to manage customers/look after breaks/ opening and closing routines?

Th job has changed massively, a checkout out team support will now become a manager, doing rtw, training, reviews, note taking, attending incidents/accidents and reporting them aswell as still running the back with a headset on getting calls and managing idq! How is this even possible??
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 04-03-21, 06:39AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 04-03-21, 12:31AM
Tesco's is doing us dirty.

We need to consider balloting for strike action.

Yeah, good luck with that. There are individual Reps who try their best. But the union as a whole have all the spine of a Jellyfish. 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Decco1 on 04-03-21, 06:52AM
It's already on colleague help the new role packs. For TM, LM, service support, shift leader. Shift leader looks to be different from service support. From reading the role pack pack it looks exactly the same as a TM. On the role pack it also mentions shift leader on nights.

I don't get what the plan is, to just wait for people to leave before this new structure is implemented fully? Surely that would take decades?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BlueToon on 04-03-21, 06:55AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 04-03-21, 06:39AM
Yeah, good luck with that. There are individual Reps who try their best. But the union as a whole have all the spine of a Jellyfish. 8-)

For once, I actually agree with Vlad :-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 04-03-21, 06:58AM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on 04-03-21, 12:07AM
I'm a full time checkout team support in a superstore, I had my meeting today and the "off till activity" is exactly the same. It hasn't changed. I just don't see how they can drop my pay but still be expected to do the same activities. I'm still running the back.  :'( :'( :'(

It's not the same tasks. Running the back of checkouts has only ever been part of the job. The booking of overtime, the filling out the flexi sheets, exceptions etc is part of the job too. The tablet work should now go to shift lead or manager. You will need access to the tablet for the breaks etc but this is not the same as inputting overtime requests, shift changes, balancing the overtime against authorised etc. Full breakdown is not available yet but some tasks now removed and reassigned.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 04-03-21, 08:35AM
It should go the the manager yes, we are still "expected" to help with overtime tablet work and training etc. All I can see is that we won't be doing welcome backs as "off till activity". I need to compare the "off till activity" next to the "service leader" or whatever they're called now. Just too see the difference properly.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 08:53AM
Service Team Support role documents 1/2
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 08:55AM
Service Team Support Job Role Documents 2/2

Information from Help Centre via Our Tesco.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 04-03-21, 08:59AM
Thanks rumblerumble
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trolleyboy96 on 04-03-21, 09:02AM
I feel this has been on the cards since the first team leader removal and it's a long term project, but I'm not sure what's next after this...maybe 1 store manager per 2-3 stores, this change feels like the end game and to be honest it feels the biggest from a structure change. The reason it's staggered is due to metro falling over when they did it one go.

The biggest 2 issue's I see is who in there right mind would do the off-till activity with no additional pay as while I agree in some stores team leaders havent been coached to deliver the task hence why the job is going, but unless the old team support want to pick up the off-till there will be many who will be just as happy taking a till. Big challenge in some shops.

The second is the operational control of depts, for example as stated before our Stock / Admin will get multiple depts operationally responsible yet how is that possible when it might be other managers have 40-50 staff within one operational area, these smaller areas are increasingly difficult to staff and cover shortfalls in schedules even combining them doesn't help, I think the end game will be colleagues work across boundaries and we will have very little definitive areas of work...

What this will do is force managers to stop filling and supplementing the heatmap which is poor at best of times 1-2-1 with colleagues on the shopfloor will stop and to be honest I find that the most rewarding part of the job.

The other thing is obv skill payments have a part to play, will we see csd payments removed next as in some stores they call duty for every decision and you have to ask why have the extra payment for little return, interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 10:08AM
Looking online it's six years since they first axed Team Leaders... Makes you wonder how long they are going to take to 'achieve' whatever it is they are up to.

Customer Services are having hours removed as part of the latest Heat Maps, aren't they, and in our store alone when they've been single manned on a Saturday (for example) when someone's on their break the queues have been horrendous.

Dread to think what it'll be like after Christmas when it's just contracted hours and people have a lot of returns... Customers aren't happy now!

One thing: are we also paying the price for J-ck's? Haven't heard anything very recently about how they are performing, new stores etc!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 04-03-21, 11:03AM
The plan will be to reduce managers each 6-12 months until such time as the new shift leaders can do the management task and all other work and pay etc has been landed. Its clear as day just need to look at the pack and details.
Best case for any store in the future will b a store manager with maybe 4 (lead line managers whatever the title) with some 6-8 shift leader (hourly paid)
That obvious
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-03-21, 11:07AM
It would make more sense to get rid of lead team, have Team managers assume the responsibilities of lead team and shift leaders to assume responsibilities of team managers, massive cost savings on wage bill that can be reinvested in more feet on the floor.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 11:21AM
Has anytime checkout team support had their one to one yet,

I know we arnt loosing any in our shop, but are we job matched? Do we have to reapply?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: burningskies on 04-03-21, 11:37AM
What do you mean by job matched? You'll be a service team leader? Or an off-till assistant?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 11:45AM
As in if Im currently a Checkout Team Leader will move into The Service Team Leader role

Quote from: burningskies on 04-03-21, 11:37AM
What do you mean by job matched? You'll be a service team leader? Or an off-till assistant?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Villager No.6 on 04-03-21, 12:44PM
Re: Service team job role documents. 2/2 What is and isn't my role.
What is meant by: What you shouldn't be doing, "Woking in silo...." Doesn't anyone read through these things before implementing them??  8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 04-03-21, 01:15PM
Quote from: BlueToon on 04-03-21, 06:55AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 04-03-21, 06:39AM
Yeah, good luck with that. There are individual Reps who try their best. But the union as a whole have all the spine of a Jellyfish. 8-)

For once, I actually agree with Vlad :-)

Do you need to sit down with a cup of tea after writing that? Because I know I do. ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tossgo on 04-03-21, 02:19PM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 11:21AM
Has anytime checkout team support had their one to one yet,

I know we arnt loosing any in our shop, but are we job matched? Do we have to reapply?

You will not have to re apply.
Basically you'll be given a name change to "service" rather than "checkout".

You will also be given the CSD, Trolleys and PFS (if applicable) as extra responsibility within your job role.

In Lehman's terms.... your getting a "promotion"... yay!! Ie... lots of extra work and responsibilities... oh but no extra pay.. so infact it's a promotion with no payrise. Well done tossgo

That's the basic facts of it
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomansland on 04-03-21, 02:23PM
Does anyone know whether the dotcom team supports brought in a year ago with the pandemic (but not officially appointed) will be automatically moved into the new fulfilment shift leader role if one has been made available in their store? Or would anyone from other stores be able to apply for it also?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 02:33PM
Thank You for clarifying

Quote from: Tossgo on 04-03-21, 02:19PM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 04-03-21, 11:21AM
Has anytime checkout team support had their one to one yet,

I know we arnt loosing any in our shop, but are we job matched? Do we have to reapply?

You will not have to re apply.
Basically you'll be given a name change to "service" rather than "checkout".

You will also be given the CSD, Trolleys and PFS (if applicable) as extra responsibility within your job role.

In Lehman's terms.... your getting a "promotion"... yay!! Ie... lots of extra work and responsibilities... oh but no extra pay.. so infact it's a promotion with no payrise. Well done tossgo

That's the basic facts of it
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 04-03-21, 02:42PM
Tesco's workers need to show that they have brains.

We have dignity and honour.

It is time we considered balloting for strike action!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 02:51PM
I see they've uploaded the new various role packs on Colleague Help  :-X...

Interesting to see the Shift Leader(s) are now expected to clean the Colleague Room....!!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 04-03-21, 02:56PM
I'm a full time dot com team support, and essentially they're asking us to do the job of a current picking team support and driver team support, plus a range of current manager duties. All for the same money as a picker team support! It is utterly ridiculous!

Out of the 5.5 we currently have across both sides, 3 have already no to the change and the Lead and SM are already worried that they'll have no one.

Quote from: Nomansland on 04-03-21, 02:23PM
Does anyone know whether the dotcom team supports brought in a year ago with the pandemic (but not officially appointed) will be automatically moved into the new fulfilment shift leader role if one has been made available in their store? Or would anyone from other stores be able to apply for it also?

I believe the automatic change will happen if there are enough jobs to go around, if your dot com will be having the same number of shift leaders then I suspect you'll all be offered a position. If there are more people who want the position than positions available, then you will all have to apply.

However, I am not sure about the impact of you not being an 'official' TS. Though I would hazard a guess that the payment protection would not apply, and that perhaps 'official' TS would get priority for the shift leader roles. And I suspect that stores would only advertise internally/externally if the positions could not be filled by the current staff. TS, and managers
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 04-03-21, 02:58PM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 04-03-21, 02:42PM
Tesco's workers need to show that they have brains.

We have dignity and honour.

It is time we considered balloting for strike action!

As much I admire your desire to raise the possibilities of strike action, I just dont see it going anywhere. The general public, and Tesco customers will not give the sympathy we may derserve.
Anybody effected needs to use the legal internal or external options available to them in the first instance, if they are not happy with the changes.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 04-03-21, 03:02PM
Reliably informed that first USDAW knew (certainly at regional level) was when SMs did.
People partners trained last week
very much 'need to know'
would be good to hear how different stores affected - obviously no names or numbers.
all should have had 1 to 1s by end of this week
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dobin on 04-03-21, 03:32PM
Quote from: JPW on 04-03-21, 02:56PM
I'm a full time dot com team support, and essentially they're asking us to do the job of a current picking team support and driver team support, plus a range of current manager duties. All for the same money as a picker team support! It is utterly ridiculous!

Out of the 5.5 we currently have across both sides, 3 have already no to the change and the Lead and SM are already worried that they'll have no one.

This is a very worrying time for all, even worse that the company is trying to implement this during a pandemic when everyone has worked so hard to keep Britain Fed, risked their own safety and dealt with the most horrendous customers . Currently I'm a DTS that hasn't had my meeting yet but by what I've heard on the grapevine and read on here I'm not looking forward to it. I don't want to be put in the position where I get lower pay for the doing the same job with added duties and more stress let alone loose my driver part in pay what a joke! Don't know what I'm going to do yet, I can forget about calling Uselessdaw another joke which I must add I will not be a member of anymore once I get around to dealing with it!

Remember you guys n girls are the hero's in all of this
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Captain001 on 04-03-21, 03:36PM
The union's no longer have and haven't had their members best interest for very long t
It's time the people stood up and no longer take this c**p. People need to start withdrawn
Their membership .someone one should set up a social media page against the union
Let's fight back.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 03:48PM
I'm not going to divulge too much but our SM asked another colleague, and myself, around a month ago about being interested in becoming a Shift Leader.

Just assumed it was their way of moving hours out of the building into Express stores when the new Heat Map comes down in a fortnight's time-suddenly it makes a lot of sense...

How easy is it to withdraw membership from the Union, out of interest? Just a case of telling one of our Reps instore?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 04-03-21, 03:49PM
Quote from: Dobin on 04-03-21, 03:32PM
Quote from: JPW on 04-03-21, 02:56PM
I'm a full time dot com team support, and essentially they're asking us to do the job of a current picking team support and driver team support, plus a range of current manager duties. All for the same money as a picker team support! It is utterly ridiculous!

Out of the 5.5 we currently have across both sides, 3 have already no to the change and the Lead and SM are already worried that they'll have no one.

This is a very worrying time for all, even worse that the company is trying to implement this during a pandemic when everyone has worked so hard to keep Britain Fed, risked their own safety and dealt with the most horrendous customers . Currently I'm a DTS that hasn't had my meeting yet but by what I've heard on the grapevine and read on here I'm not looking forward to it. I don't want to be put in the position where I get lower pay for the doing the same job with added duties and more stress let alone loose my driver part in pay what a joke! Don't know what I'm going to do yet, I can forget about calling Uselessdaw another joke which I must add I will not be a member of anymore once I get around to dealing with it!

Remember you guys n girls are the hero's in all of this
lewis got a knighthood for keeping britain fed!!!! f****ng disgrace!!! >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 04-03-21, 03:52PM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 03:48PM
I'm not going to divulge too much but our SM asked another colleague, and myself, around a month ago about being interested in becoming a Shift Leader.

Just assumed it was their way of moving hours out of the building into Express stores when the new Heat Map comes down in a fortnight's time-suddenly it makes a lot of sense...

How easy is it to withdraw membership from the Union, out of interest? Just a case of telling one of our Reps instore?
You can fill an online form in to opt out of the union on their site. Everyone should do it!!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Kingkong2015 on 04-03-21, 04:07PM
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Our managers in Belfast Depot don't do themselves any favours, always sitting in the control room all together while agency managers do their job. Heard on nights even some managers hide and go for a sleep certainly with the number of times some go for a smoke they don't seem to have much time to do their roles. Fingers crossed the company recognises this and saves the company a lot of money. And as for Unite union reps standing up for issues they seem to be in the Depot Managers pocket then again if they weren't union members would see more of them!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: takethemoneyandrun on 04-03-21, 04:20PM
Quote from: SW2207 on 04-03-21, 06:33AM
Quote from: Davethebave on 04-03-21, 01:12AM
Surly the job has changed?

Will you still have to do colleague training?
Fill overtime?
Do rotas?
Update the tablet?
Etc

Or are you just expected to manage customers/look after breaks/ opening and closing routines?

Th job has changed massively, a checkout out team support will now become a manager, doing rtw, training, reviews, note taking, attending incidents/accidents and reporting them aswell as still running the back with a headset on getting calls and managing idq! How is this even possible??
So what will the manager be doing ??
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: takethemoneyandrun on 04-03-21, 04:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 04-03-21, 06:39AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 04-03-21, 12:31AM
Tesco's is doing us dirty.

We need to consider balloting for strike action.

Yeah, good luck with that. There are individual Reps who try their best. But the union as a whole have all the spine of a Jellyfish. 8-)

Just like they did for the stock controllers that lost their jobs and the bakers and packers..??
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 04:24PM
Quote from: Justwaiting on 04-03-21, 03:52PM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 03:48PM
I'm not going to divulge too much but our SM asked another colleague, and myself, around a month ago about being interested in becoming a Shift Leader.

Just assumed it was their way of moving hours out of the building into Express stores when the new Heat Map comes down in a fortnight's time-suddenly it makes a lot of sense...

How easy is it to withdraw membership from the Union, out of interest? Just a case of telling one of our Reps instore?
You can fill an online form in to opt out of the union on their site. Everyone should do it!!!

Thanks Justwaiting. Form filled out and sent... will be interesting to see what they have to say.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 04:31PM
Quote from: takethemoneyandrun on 04-03-21, 04:20PM

So what will the manager be doing ??

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: markwinters on 04-03-21, 05:03PM
does anyone have one for the leads?  can't see it maybe we are all off again!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 05:14PM
Here you go mark
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 04-03-21, 06:00PM
Has someone got the link for the dot com one, the fulfilment shift leader? I have my one to one tomorrow and would like my own copy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 06:08PM
Here you are JPW. They are on Colleague Help under Role Packs  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: markwinters on 04-03-21, 06:53PM
thanks W a J 2019 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rodders on 04-03-21, 07:53PM
I'm a Driver team support and had my 1 to 1 yesterday , our store is going from 2 Picker and 2 Driver team supports to 2 Shift leaders. After reading the role pack, and our store already struggling to fill both Picker and Driver gaps, why would i want the extra stress of doing both roles and half the managers role whilst taking a Pay Cut. The pay difference between a Driver and a Shift leader in my opinion is negligible and would only need 1 or two day overtime shifts as a driver to be on more than the Shift Leader. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 04-03-21, 08:40PM
Is it all stores affected or just large format? I'm on a placement in superstore from express but haven't heard anything yet!?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-03-21, 08:58PM
Triviup,

Small and Large Superstores as well as Extras are impacted by this 'soft change'-are you on a placement to become a manager in a larger format? If so you need to start asking your SM questions...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 04-03-21, 10:28PM
Anyone know what is happening with nights? Will they get shift leaders and a reduction of managers?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 05-03-21, 02:40AM
Quote from: bluemoonfan on 04-03-21, 07:53PM
I'm a Driver team support and had my 1 to 1 yesterday , our store is going from 2 Picker and 2 Driver team supports to 2 Shift leaders. After reading the role pack, and our store already struggling to fill both Picker and Driver gaps, why would i want the extra stress of doing both roles and half the managers role whilst taking a Pay Cut. The pay difference between a Driver and a Shift leader in my opinion is negligible and would only need 1 or two day overtime shifts as a driver to be on more than the Shift Leader.

I'm so glad you said this, I was feeling like I was making a big deal about it in my head. But you putting it like this, really helps! I hope everything works out okay for you.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 05-03-21, 07:39AM
Well im in 10am
Lets see what happens
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 05-03-21, 09:02AM
Has any other team support got protection pay on there payslip this morning..... I've signed nothing? Can anyone explain!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 05-03-21, 09:55AM
Has your hourly rate changed ?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trolleyboy96 on 05-03-21, 11:35AM
Are you a first aider? All ours have it due to being holiday or sick...it's come up as payment protection.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 05-03-21, 12:32PM
Thanks trollyboy it's the first aid thing. I was ready to go off the handle  :-X haha
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: AJR2171 on 05-03-21, 02:40PM
Hi,

I know this isn't the right place but how do I start my own post or search for an existing post/subject please?

Thank you
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 05-03-21, 02:41PM
Je suis Tesco!!!

It's time we all rose up and showed the public we are not cowards!

It is time to ballot for strike action!!

Say it with me: Je suis Tesco!!

Strike, Strike, Strike!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Pincheeto on 05-03-21, 02:50PM
Anyone heard how these changes are likely to affect those of us hoping to go onto options. I was due to get signed on this month but meeting has now been cancelled. Not sure where that leaves me.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whyamihere on 05-03-21, 02:55PM
Quote from: bluemoonfan on 04-03-21, 07:53PM
I'm a Driver team support and had my 1 to 1 yesterday , our store is going from 2 Picker and 2 Driver team supports to 2 Shift leaders. After reading the role pack, and our store already struggling to fill both Picker and Driver gaps, why would i want the extra stress of doing both roles and half the managers role whilst taking a Pay Cut. The pay difference between a Driver and a Shift leader in my opinion is negligible and would only need 1 or two day overtime shifts as a driver to be on more than the Shift Leader.

Haven't had our 1 to 1s yet as our store don't know how many shift leader positions will be available (Currently 2/2) but with the pay protection that's on offer I might as well move over to driving on the same pay.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 05-03-21, 06:23PM
Well I lost my job today as a driver team support, happened within a week, was infront of store manager Tuesday and by today Iv been told I haven't got the job anymore and I can go to been a driver, so going from £12.91 to £9.98 and take a limp sum for 18 months or have pay protected, not sure if they followed any process as I can't appeal or complain about to anyone, just said would catch up another time to go through the money side, basically paying me out of a job, we had 4 team leaders snd now they want 2, gonna be a hell of a lot of work for the 2 team leaders to run both sides of dotcom click and collect and manager jobs, wasn't sure if I wanted to do all that extra work for £2 less anyway so maybe a blessing and can have no stress now when they have sick calls and Iv got to sort it and cover the vans
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 05-03-21, 06:28PM
If your job role has gone you are entitled to redundancy!!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Suppord on 05-03-21, 06:30PM
Quote from: Justwaiting on 05-03-21, 06:28PM
If your job role has gone you are entitled to redundancy!!!
They'd lose their hours then too? Or would it be classed as redundancy and then protected hours?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomansland on 05-03-21, 06:31PM
Quote from: Buster99 on 05-03-21, 06:23PM
Well I lost my job today as a driver team support, happened within a week, was infront of store manager Tuesday and by today Iv been told I haven't got the job anymore and I can go to been a driver, so going from £12.91 to £9.98 and take a limp sum for 18 months or have pay protected, not sure if they followed any process as I can't appeal or complain about to anyone, just said would catch up another time to go through the money side, basically paying me out of a job, we had 4 team leaders snd now they want 2, gonna be a hell of a lot of work for the 2 team leaders to run both sides of dotcom click and collect and manager jobs, wasn't sure if I wanted to do all that extra work for £2 less anyway so maybe a blessing and can have no stress now when they have sick calls and Iv got to sort it and cover the vans

Were you given the option of transferring to another store that had a team support (new shift leader) vacancy?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 05-03-21, 06:32PM
Quote from: Suppord on 05-03-21, 06:30PM
Quote from: Justwaiting on 05-03-21, 06:28PM
If your job role has gone you are entitled to redundancy!!!
They'd lose their hours then too? Or would it be classed as redundancy and then protected hours?
Redundancy would end your employment.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dooby27 on 05-03-21, 06:59PM
This is shocking, as the get out clause is soft structure instead of redundancy. The cost saving should come from the lead team and not other roles and at the detriment of service.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: TBanker on 05-03-21, 07:43PM
Has there been any word in regards to senior management and the roles they will
Now play?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 05-03-21, 09:52PM
Were you given the option of transferring to another store that had a team support (new shift leader) vacancy?
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No store manager said there wasn't anything available, he said there might be job on front end but even that wasn't an option in the end, I wouldn't have taken that anyway, Iv just asked him to look after me and give me some decent driving hours,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 05-03-21, 10:17PM
Quote from: TBanker on 05-03-21, 07:43PM
Has there been any word in regards to senior management and the roles they will
Now play?
Role will be same as before.  However some stores won't now qualify for a lead team.  Stores with 2 will swap roles annually like the team managers. Shift leaders and team managers will report to lead team.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tossgo on 05-03-21, 11:58PM
Quote from: Buster99 on 05-03-21, 09:52PM
Were you given the option of transferring to another store that had a team support (new shift leader) vacancy?

No store manager said there wasn't anything available, he said there might be job on front end but even that wasn't an option in the end, I wouldn't have taken that anyway, Iv just asked him to look after me and give me some decent driving hours,
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I hope you asked for your scorecard.
When there are less "fulfilment" roles than your current picker/driver team support they HAVE TO had scored you using the scorecard they were sent down with there briefing pack. If they done it properly then that's fine, however we all know tossgo is face fits so whoever's in charge in your store probably just chose the 2 people they wanted for the jobs.

I would be asking too see what your score was on the sheet for starters
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Goldielocks on 06-03-21, 02:26AM
Does anyone think the structure changes are only minor 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 06-03-21, 06:49AM
It's minor if it does not affect you. I'm sure the team support think it feels like the biggest structure change yet.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Themightyowl on 06-03-21, 07:19AM
So I'm currently waiting on fulfilment shift leader roll to start. Does anyone have any idea on what hours we are expected to do? Apparently a pack was meant to come down last night but I can't find anything ?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 07:24AM
Go to our tesco, working at tesco, careers, role packs, large store then you can select fulfillment role pack.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Themightyowl on 06-03-21, 07:53AM
Does this show the hours that you will be required to work? Or give a rough idea?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 06-03-21, 08:54AM
In the news in the Grocer.

Thousands of Tesco managers face job shake-up in Ken Murphy review (https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/tesco/thousands-of-tesco-managers-face-job-shake-up-in-ken-murphy-review/653869.article)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 06-03-21, 10:33AM
For years on here people have complained there are too many chiefs and not enough workers so at least the company is addressing the issue.

Still don't see how stores will get numbers down to the new structure unless redundancy is offered - however I also see that if redundancy was on offer a lot of knowledge would leave the business and stores could well fall over.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: kaled78 on 06-03-21, 11:19AM
it seems that the team support are the ones getting screwed over in all of this,the managers whilst changing job title will still keep the same pay until they leave or retire
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Eskimo 2 on 06-03-21, 12:13PM
Tesco will reduce manager headcount by SYP.  You can tell when a structure change is due in our store, the store manager already has the managers involved in the structure change on SYP. It has happened for the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 06-03-21, 02:11PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-21, 10:33AM
For years on here people have complained there are too many chiefs and not enough workers so at least the company is addressing the issue.

Still don't see how stores will get numbers down to the new structure unless redundancy is offered - however I also see that if redundancy was on offer a lot of knowledge would leave the business and stores could well fall over.

No they are not at least not if whats being said on here is right. Not a single manager will be lost until such time as they decide to leave for themselves. How is that dealing with the top heavy situation?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 06-03-21, 02:35PM
It's not in the way people want especially on here, however what is has done is given clarity to managers on what the companies plans are for them over the next few years, instead of saying we will review it every year and then do it as a soft structure change
.
All you do is have to look at the stock managers situation and what happened in metros nearly 2 years ago.
Leaving people in permanent limbo isnt good for anyone.

Managers now know that their jobs are safe for the next few years, instead of constantly having the threat of a management restructure hanging over their heads where they could be made redundant.
Now don't get me wrong I know a lot on here would be glad if they were being made redundant as would a lot of managers too.
However that isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 03:02PM
Quote from: Themightyowl on 06-03-21, 07:53AM
Does this show the hours that you will be required to work? Or give a rough idea?
No it just shows your accountabilities.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 06-03-21, 03:11PM
Anyone no why the role packs have been removed, they are listed but when you click on them they say oops page has been removed
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 03:20PM
Which role pack?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 06-03-21, 03:27PM
All of them for large stores, the link on our tesco was showing all the new packs for team manager, shift leaders and team supports but now gone
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 03:54PM
Still there, our tesco, working at tesco, opportunities to get on, careers, large store, role packs.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Paupers wage on 06-03-21, 04:16PM
Yet again no managers jobs have been lost in the making of soft management restructure, 2021, over managed as always Tesco's philosophy always the same, when the jobs of bakers, butchers are disposable yet the sacred cow remains year in year out, a job for life even when there's no meaningful managers job there, all of which will play a part in the next pay rise!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: William91 on 06-03-21, 06:07PM
Has anyone from Checkout Team Support had their 121 or meeting yet?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 06-03-21, 06:24PM
Yes
Had mine yesterday
I am been moved over into the new role

Quote from: William91 on 06-03-21, 06:07PM
Has anyone from Checkout Team Support had their 121 or meeting yet?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: blooblah12 on 06-03-21, 07:05PM
To anyone saying the role packs have been taken down from OurTesco, the link is just broken. You can view it fine here on colleague help. (https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/sections/360012425552-My-Role-Packs-for-Large-Superstores-Extras-)

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 07:14PM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 06-03-21, 06:24PM
Yes
Had mine yesterday
I am been moved over into the new role

Quote from: William91 on 06-03-21, 06:07PM
Has anyone from Checkout Team Support had their 121 or meeting yet?
Did you get any other options?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 06-03-21, 08:23PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 06-03-21, 02:35PM
It's not in the way people want especially on here, however what is has done is given clarity to managers on what the companies plans are for them over the next few years, instead of saying we will review it every year and then do it as a soft structure change
.
All you do is have to look at the stock managers situation and what happened in metros nearly 2 years ago.
Leaving people in permanent limbo isnt good for anyone.

Managers now know that their jobs are safe for the next few years, instead of constantly having the threat of a management restructure hanging over their heads where they could be made redundant.
Now don't get me wrong I know a lot on here would be glad if they were being made redundant as would a lot of managers too.
However that isn't going to happen.

So all this rubbish about stores getting 4 managers a few shift leaders and 1 store manager was just that utter rubbish. They have been told dont worry about it carry on as normal....

The team support though thats a different matter, you lot can suck it up lose money and say thanks.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 08:29PM
Are team support getting pay cut?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Decco1 on 06-03-21, 08:57PM
So we're all in agreement that natural movement means managing people out of a job? Doesn't matter how well you do/don't do the job, as long as the face fits. Just so we're all on the same page.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Harry_houdini on 06-03-21, 09:10PM
Sadly this process doesn't follow the process of other announcements. It wasn't released to press early for a process to be challenged as much in the first week isn't normal. This was planned 12 months ago and only covid has delayed it so it's been well
Thought out, too thought out to not have a quick resolution. In my view the announcement this week was to simply break the news, to get people talking and understanding how their store structure would be. This allowed managers to talk about it and decide on options. Do I stay and take the s*** that comes with it or do I step down to a duty manager role with no "pink and fluffy" stuff and keep the same wage for two years or a nice pay off.  expect the formal consultations in coming weeks with heavily weighted compensation offers. Personally I'm happy to take a a £16k pay off and be a duty manager doing Monday to Friday 5am till 1am, re do my
Cv then when a job comes along in the next two years I'll be off. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 06-03-21, 10:28PM
Quote from: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 08:29PM
Are team support getting pay cut?

Team support wont exist and those doing the job will be put onto CA wage yet still expected to do the job.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 06-03-21, 10:59PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 06-03-21, 08:23PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 06-03-21, 02:35PM
It's not in the way people want especially on here, however what is has done is given clarity to managers on what the companies plans are for them over the next few years, instead of saying we will review it every year and then do it as a soft structure change
.
All you do is have to look at the stock managers situation and what happened in metros nearly 2 years ago.
Leaving people in permanent limbo isnt good for anyone.

Managers now know that their jobs are safe for the next few years, instead of constantly having the threat of a management restructure hanging over their heads where they could be made redundant.
Now don't get me wrong I know a lot on here would be glad if they were being made redundant as would a lot of managers too.
However that isn't going to happen.

So all this rubbish about stores getting 4 managers a few shift leaders and 1 store manager was just that utter rubbish. They have been told dont worry about it carry on as normal....


Depends how you want to look at it, stores will eventually end up with correct amount of managers, when that happens will depend on each store.
Some could be by the end of the year. Others could be 5 years down the line or longer.
What i do know is that if they offered all the surplus managers in my store redundancy then it would take just over 3 years before the shift leaders would be saving Tesco money, anything over that then it starts to cost Tesco money.
Now not one manager can afford to retire in at least the next 5 years or has any plans to leave.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 06-03-21, 11:29PM
It is time to consider strike action.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 06-03-21, 11:33PM
But you can't legally strike. Usdaw have a no strike agreement so won't call one and if you walk out without  union backing you have little or no protection.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 07-03-21, 12:14AM
Apparently redundancy no longer offered due to:
Alot of colleagues - esp management - getting decent package and then rejoining 6 months later.
Loss of experience / knowledge in business (alot of knowledge no longer required)
Cost to company (doubtful - proposed changes will cost more until all roles as per plan)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 07-03-21, 01:33AM
Redundancy hasn't been offered so Tesco can save some face in the media.

"Yeah we are changing our structure, but look, we haven't made anyone redundant during the pandemic"

Natural wastage will take far too long. Even if they try and manage managers via SYP, it will still take years to do. They must have something else in the back pocket
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BarryZola on 07-03-21, 07:29AM
They could start by not giving managers a bonus (whilst GA's don't get one). Less reason for them to stick around then.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 07-03-21, 08:18AM
I earned over £2000 this month from Tesco.

They have stabbed me in the back so many times. I have had more severe let's talks then anyone I know.

I'm constantly taking photos of what I do. I always have an excuse ready.

I will never get a promotion.

Do you know how much work you have to do at £9.30 an hour to get £2000?

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 07-03-21, 08:40AM
As you are clearly affected by this, then that makes you at least a checkout team support so you are on more than £9.30 an hour!
I think checkout TS are on about £11.16.
If you are a dot com driver team support then you are on even more, and that's before we get to manager pay!

So to earn £2000 all it takes is 8.5 hour paid each week over full time hours checkout team support rate to hit it.
Not a lot extra really is it.
Now if it's £2000 after all tax deductions then you will be breaking the working time directive, and as people will point out on here, more fool you.

Now if your a dot com TS or Team manager then it's even easier to hit the £2000 mark legally.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 07-03-21, 09:40AM
it will affect us all in the long run if they are allowed to get away with this. this is only the start. they're taking the p**s and with no union backing it will only get worse for everyone. i'm a g.a and i would join a strike if there was one
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-03-21, 10:51AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 07-03-21, 08:18AM
I earned over £2000 this month from Tesco.

They have stabbed me in the back so many times. I have had more severe let's talks then anyone I know.

I'm constantly taking photos of what I do. I always have an excuse ready.

I will never get a promotion.

Do you know how much work you have to do at £9.30 an hour to get £2000?

Yep a guy I know gets the same and he is part time. He is one of the hardest workers I know although me makes out he doesnt give a chuff however he works from minute one to the last minute every time. He is not well liked because he doesnt act like managers are gods and doff his cap when he sees them.

I kid you not he was once given a lets talk for saying to the personel manager when she asked how he was 'Im here arent I' apparently he has the wrong attitude.

In this company licking posteria is more important than working.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 07-03-21, 11:17AM
Earning £2000  a month in Tesco just means you've been there a lot . It doesn't necessarily mean that you've done a lot of work . Most of the people I know that do a lot of hours spend more time standing around moaning about the overtime they're doing and how tired they are to anyone that will listen .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ahsda on 07-03-21, 11:20AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 06-03-21, 11:29PM
It is time to consider strike action.

Give it up, you can't strike. This is at least the 5th post I've seen you shouting for this nonsense. We get it, you're bitter but so are 99% of the folk on here, that's why we're here but we're not calling for nonsense that's never going to happen.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-03-21, 11:42AM
Quote from: Morris999 on 07-03-21, 08:40AM
As you are clearly affected by this, then that makes you at least a checkout team support so you are on more than £9.30 an hour!
I think checkout TS are on about £11.16.
If you are a dot com driver team support then you are on even more, and that's before we get to manager pay!

So to earn £2000 all it takes is 8.5 hour paid each week over full time hours checkout team support rate to hit it.
Not a lot extra really is it.
Now if it's £2000 after all tax deductions then you will be breaking the working time directive, and as people will point out on here, more fool you.

Now if your a dot com TS or Team manager then it's even easier to hit the £2000 mark legally.

If we assume he means gross amount (before deductions)

In the very unlikely scenario he is a contracted full time ca (36.5 hours a week), £9.30 x 36.5 = £339.45, £339.45 x 4 = £1,357.80 so he would need to earn £642.20 in 4 weeks from overtime, if we divide £642.20 by 4 that's £160.55, if we divide £160.55 by £9.30 that is 17.26 hours overtime required every week to hit £2,000 every 4 weeks before deductions.

17.26 + 36.5 hours = 53.76 hours a week

When we were in the EU, the working time directive states that no employee can be forced to work beyond 48 hours a week unless they signed a contract to opt out of such arrangements. I think the case is similar now in post Brexit Britain.

I look at my situation and feel bad that this is even a possibility, Tesco works a lot of you so hard for such little money.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Wirey2020 on 07-03-21, 12:43PM
On 11th April we have to sign a contract which changes our job title to a generic one...another words, from 12th April you can be moved from managing stock control to checkout and vica virsa!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 07-03-21, 01:27PM
Quote from: BarryZola on 07-03-21, 07:29AM
They could start by not giving managers a bonus (whilst GA's don't get one). Less reason for them to stick around then.

"Less" but still plenty of reason for them to stick around even without bonus. No other retailer would give them same/more money for what they do. Once you reach TM as someone else said the retention rate improves. Not like the GA population where people stop doing overtime and start dropping contract hours ASAP.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-03-21, 02:50PM
The ca rate and perks is not competive, at least not as it used to be, there was a time when Tesco was top dog for pay and perks but now it's middling, they've realised that retention for the bottom rung jobs is inconsequential as they can just replace with ease.

Managers are similar, however the dynamics are different, though managers are easily replaced, people tend to remain in those positions because of it's relatively good salary for the requirements. Natural wastage is a much more drawn out process for managers than hourly paid workers.

The compensation for managers is comparable to the competitors untill you get to Express SM+, then Tesco takes the lead in terms of salary for workload.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: siuuu on 07-03-21, 04:26PM
Currently a shift leader in express and on options to be a manager in superstore or extra. Is there really any point now? Managers who leave are going to be replaced with shift leaders so there'll be no more managerial vacancies for the foreseeable?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: DHardy on 07-03-21, 04:51PM
Options and progression now pointless, we haven't appointed anyone in our shop for 3 years due to still trying to catch up from the displacements and moves over the past few years. We got around it by making people shift leaders in express, but now they are making shift leaders in extras/superstores that will also be alot trickier. Options/progression all pointless until stores are down to the new structure and there are no excess managers - therfore we will start creating managers again to ensure we stay around the level needed and have a few future prospects in the  pipeline. That'll be ages off till we do that again tho cos we will be ridiculously manager heavy if we are waiting for "natural wastage" for years..
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Goldielocks on 07-03-21, 07:08PM
The only way we get through this is to stand together and say that the changes are not minor changes and as said by someone before there minor as they don't affect them. If store managers were brave enough they would say that these were not minor changes as well.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-03-21, 07:10PM
The reduction in manager roles means fewer opportunities to progress, it's only going to get worse, I really hope managers will now stop saying "It will be good for your development." To options candidates, It's not fair to string peoole along like that, especially now there's fewer roles to progress to.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-03-21, 07:14PM
Quote from: Mcmac on 07-03-21, 04:26PM
Currently a shift leader in express and on options to be a manager in superstore or extra. Is there really any point now? Managers who leave are going to be replaced with shift leaders so there'll be no more managerial vacancies for the foreseeable?

You're best off going through the Express SM route, Team Manager roles are now going to be even more limited with scope of progression more restricted.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dotnochance on 07-03-21, 07:23PM
What's this about new contracts on 11th April? Is that for staff or managers?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Wirey2020 on 07-03-21, 09:11PM
Quote from: Wirey2020 on 07-03-21, 12:43PM
On 11th April we have to sign a contract which changes our job title to a generic one...another words, from 12th April you can be moved from managing stock control to checkout and vica virsa!!

Sorry, should've been more specific...mew contracts for managers, moving them from 'department' managers to a title of team managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 07-03-21, 09:52PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 06-03-21, 10:28PM
Quote from: Stubbo on 06-03-21, 08:29PM
Are team support getting pay cut?

Team support wont exist and those doing the job will be put onto CA wage yet still expected to do the job.

I've seen this mentioned a few times here, but in my store they haven't said this. They've basically said to move to the new Service Support (or whatever it is called) role, or go back to a checkout, with the associated pay cut. They've also made it extremely clear that there is no work-life balance with the new role. I was actually told that if I want a family life I shouldn't accept!

I don't want to go back to checkouts, as my last job was a faster pace, so it's too slow and not very engaging for me. But I'm at an age where I need to start getting a work-life balance, or I might as well get married to Tesco!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 07-03-21, 09:59PM
Were you offered pay protection or a buyout to drop to checkouts?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 07-03-21, 10:04PM
Yes, they have mentioned both and apparently I have to choose which option I would prefer, if I don't take the new role. The lack of work-life balance I already have is making me think I should turn it down, but I do want to do more than just serving customers
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 07-03-21, 10:05PM
There's no guarantee moving to checkouts would even get me a work-life balance, as I have no idea what my shifts would be! We have such a short period to make a decision on very little information
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 07-03-21, 10:27PM
So are Checkout Team Support getting a pay cut? to be honest this has been a long time coming. In our extra store regular checkout staff have been assisting Team Support now for over a year and only got paid CA wages.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 07-03-21, 10:29PM
There are no more checkout team support, so there will be a pay cut for returning to a GA
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dotcomts on 07-03-21, 11:01PM
Anyone else a Picking Team Support & had their 121?

There's currently myself & a driver team support at our store with two fulfilment shift leader roles available. We've been told we can walk into these new roles as it's job matched however given the extra work load etc it's not something I'm considering so I'm contemplating driving again.

I had my 121 but my store manager didn't expect me to be contemplating turning it down so they fumbled their way through my options. I was offered a buyout or protected pay but reading a post on Yammer someone is saying only the Driving Team Supports are offered the buyouts or pay protection? Anyone shed any light? I'm not back in work until Tuesday.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 07-03-21, 11:15PM
I%u2019m a picking team support, I was told by my store manager that I could opt for a lump sum or payment protection for 18 months if I chose not to take the role (our store was shrunk from 6 to 3 and no one took up the shift leader positions). I am going back to being a picker and as far as I am concerned my pay will not be changing from my current TS rate.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 12:30AM
It was £2200 before tax. (Including some holiday, Sunday pay and a bit of night premium)

And I worked 50-60 hours each week.

I like my job.

And I'm good at it.


Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 12:48AM
It's time to consider strike action.

We must show that us Tesco workers are humans with feelings.

'At Tesco are highest priority is the wellbeing of our colleagues and customers.....'

You've all heard the digital announcements, it's time we made our voices heard because every voice matters etc!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 12:50AM
Also, why is there an assumption I am a man?

Just asking.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 05:52AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 07-03-21, 10:29PM
There are no more checkout team support, so there will be a pay cut for returning to a GA

My store has about 15 team support at checkouts. Yet despite this us normal checkout staff are always assisting them at their job for less pay.

Wonder what will happen to all of them.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 08-03-21, 07:40AM
We have people that stand in for team support. We pay them deputising pay but they did full job, exceptions, tablet work etc. Not just fetch eggs. It needs to be the full job but it's a bit of a mute point now as we will not be getting shift leaders as top heavy with managers. Shift leaders do duty shifts, reviews, holiday booking etc so a bigger role than TS.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 07:53AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 08-03-21, 07:40AM
We have people that stand in for team support. We pay them deputising pay but they did full job, exceptions, tablet work etc. Not just fetch eggs. It needs to be the full job but it's a bit of a mute point now as we will not be getting shift leaders as top heavy with managers. Shift leaders do duty shifts, reviews, holiday booking etc so a bigger role than TS.
But on less pay?

No sure how its all going to work. Will all those on TS roles currently now have to apply to be a SL?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 08-03-21, 08:01AM
Quote from: Dotcomts on 07-03-21, 11:01PM
Anyone else a Picking Team Support & had their 121?

There's currently myself & a driver team support at our store with two fulfilment shift leader roles available. We've been told we can walk into these new roles as it's job matched however given the extra work load etc it's not something I'm considering so I'm contemplating driving again.

I had my 121 but my store manager didn't expect me to be contemplating turning it down so they fumbled their way through my options. I was offered a buyout or protected pay but reading a post on Yammer someone is saying only the Driving Team Supports are offered the buyouts or pay protection? Anyone shed any light? I'm not back in work until Tuesday.

Thanks.

I'm a driver team support, there was 4 team supports in our dotcom they have gone down to 2, I wasn't picked so I'm going back driving and getting a lump sum for the £2.90 I will be losing an hour, works out at around 7k, store manager said can have pay protected for 18 month, he said we are getting 3% pay rise I think in June but wouldn't get that it was on pay protected, I'm just trying to get some decent hours driving and hope they don't screw me over again not only losing my role, my hours, my hourly rate just hope they don't say we need you on Saturday nights can go shove them hours, and also driving hours is 35 hours and I'm on 36.5 so wonder where there gonna fit me in
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 08-03-21, 09:12AM
Quote from: JPW on 07-03-21, 11:15PM
I%u2019m a picking team support, I was told by my store manager that I could opt for a lump sum or payment protection for 18 months if I chose not to take the role (our store was shrunk from 6 to 3 and no one took up the shift leader positions). I am going back to being a picker and as far as I am concerned my pay will not be changing from my current TS rate.
Your pay will drop to ca rate and not stay the same. That's why they offer a balloon payment or protected pay for 18 months.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatboy on 08-03-21, 09:43AM
Buster99, where did he get the info regarding a 3% payrise in June? As far as I'm aware the pay negotiations for this year are still ongoing.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:49AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 07:53AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 08-03-21, 07:40AM
We have people that stand in for team support. We pay them deputising pay but they did full job, exceptions, tablet work etc. Not just fetch eggs. It needs to be the full job but it's a bit of a mute point now as we will not be getting shift leaders as top heavy with managers. Shift leaders do duty shifts, reviews, holiday booking etc so a bigger role than TS.
But on less pay?

No sure how its all going to work. Will all those on TS roles currently now have to apply to be a SL?

I'm not sure if it's the same in all stores, but in mine they are bringing in a Service Support role. Current Team Leaders can automatically go onto that - all they have to do is say yes, and the contract will be drawn up. It's for the same pay, but acting like a front end manager - doing all aspects of checkouts, CSD, PFS and trolleys. Including holidays, note taking, coding and so on. They have told us it's fully flexible, and shifts will change frequently. They advised us not to take it if we have families - they literally want 24/7 flexibility. If we say no, we take the buyout or payment protection and go back to working a checkout, but there's no information on what shifts would be if we do go back to a checkout.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 09:55AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:49AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 07:53AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 08-03-21, 07:40AM
We have people that stand in for team support. We pay them deputising pay but they did full job, exceptions, tablet work etc. Not just fetch eggs. It needs to be the full job but it's a bit of a mute point now as we will not be getting shift leaders as top heavy with managers. Shift leaders do duty shifts, reviews, holiday booking etc so a bigger role than TS.
But on less pay?

No sure how its all going to work. Will all those on TS roles currently now have to apply to be a SL?

I'm not sure if it's the same in all stores, but in mine they are bringing in a Service Support role. Current Team Leaders can automatically go onto that - all they have to do is say yes, and the contract will be drawn up. It's for the same pay, but acting like a front end manager - doing all aspects of checkouts, CSD, PFS and trolleys. Including holidays, note taking, coding and so on. They have told us it's fully flexible, and shifts will change frequently. They advised us not to take it if we have families - they literally want 24/7 flexibility. If we say no, we take the buyout or payment protection and go back to working a checkout, but there's no information on what shifts would be if we do go back to a checkout.

so where does that leave the actual managers? at our extra trolleys/customer service, PFS and checkouts all have their own manager. I'm assusing all those roles will be done away with and  the new Service Support staff stepping up? 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:59AM
They are all getting another role, and I've been told they will basically act like duty managers. "Running the shop, but not involved in any department" is exactly what I've been told.

The new Service Support will also deal with customer complaints, cash office and so on. It's becoming a massive role.

Looks like they are planning to do away with managers and have Service Support eventually running things on the lower level of pay.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 10:14AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:59AM
They are all getting another role, and I've been told they will basically act like duty managers. "Running the shop, but not involved in any department" is exactly what I've been told.

The new Service Support will also deal with customer complaints, cash office and so on. It's becoming a massive role.

Looks like they are planning to do away with managers and have Service Support eventually running things on the lower level of pay.

I don't like the sound of Team Support basically getting promoted to Duty Manager level without the jobs being listed as new roles. Seems unfair.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 10:22AM
Exactly. And I'm trying to get a work-life balance, so it looks like I will have to step down. But without knowing what my new shifts will be, I don't know if I will have any balance anyway! After working all through the pandemic, and having to cover other people's shifts due to shielding, isolation and so on, running around the middle of crowds of customers, feeling at risk, it just feels like getting a middle finger. I'm still covering for people, I'm going to be doing late shifts with no middle TS until this change takes effect!

Funny how the EVM closed before this was all announced.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 10:58AM
Tesco is doing us dirty!

It's time for strike action.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 11:06AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 10:58AM
Tesco is doing us dirty!

It's time for strike action.

Thing is, I doubt many floor GA staff would go on strike just so the Team Leaders can keep their £2 extra.

Sad but true,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 08-03-21, 12:06PM
Quote from: Stubbo on 08-03-21, 09:12AM
Quote from: JPW on 07-03-21, 11:15PM
I%u2019m a picking team support, I was told by my store manager that I could opt for a lump sum or payment protection for 18 months if I chose not to take the role (our store was shrunk from 6 to 3 and no one took up the shift leader positions). I am going back to being a picker and as far as I am concerned my pay will not be changing from my current TS rate.
Your pay will drop to ca rate and not stay the same. That's why they offer a balloon payment or protected pay for 18 months.

So what is protected pay  then? I was made to feel like I would be still paid at my current team support rate for the hours I will be doing after the job role change?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 12:36PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 10:14AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:59AM
They are all getting another role, and I've been told they will basically act like duty managers. "Running the shop, but not involved in any department" is exactly what I've been told.

The new Service Support will also deal with customer complaints, cash office and so on. It's becoming a massive role.

Looks like they are planning to do away with managers and have Service Support eventually running things on the lower level of pay.

I don't like the sound of Team Support basically getting promoted to Duty Manager level without the jobs being listed as new roles. Seems unfair.

It's the previous department managers who will be acting as duty managers, not TS. The Team Support will be doing all the duties of the department managers, except with more departments combined. It looks like only one is taking the offer in my store, so it will be opened up for applications.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 12:41PM
Interested to hear from any current picking team supports who have turned down new role. On paper it looks like much the same job apart from new starter reviews, welcome backs and note taking. It doesn't now include any picking or turnaround, which it did before. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tinch on 08-03-21, 12:50PM
I have recently been bullied out of my team leader role by my store manager,
Is there anything I can do to fight for the step down payment?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 01:00PM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 12:36PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 10:14AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:59AM
They are all getting another role, and I've been told they will basically act like duty managers. "Running the shop, but not involved in any department" is exactly what I've been told.

The new Service Support will also deal with customer complaints, cash office and so on. It's becoming a massive role.

Looks like they are planning to do away with managers and have Service Support eventually running things on the lower level of pay.

I don't like the sound of Team Support basically getting promoted to Duty Manager level without the jobs being listed as new roles. Seems unfair.

It's the previous department managers who will be acting as duty managers, not TS. The Team Support will be doing all the duties of the department managers, except with more departments combined. It looks like only one is taking the offer in my store, so it will be opened up for applications.

I'm very confused.

So will all of team support get kept on just given a new job title and extra duties?

This will cause a s*** storm at my store as its a hornets nest.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 08-03-21, 02:10PM
Quote from: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 12:41PM
Interested to hear from any current picking team supports who have turned down new role. On paper it looks like much the same job apart from new starter reviews, welcome backs and note taking. It doesn't now include any picking or turnaround, which it did before. Am I missing something?

Yeah they will be doing both sides driver team support role and picked side and manager roles for the same pay and having to change all there shifts from just mornings to mornings and late nights all for the same pay,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 08-03-21, 02:12PM
Quote from: fatboy on 08-03-21, 09:43AM
Buster99, where did he get the info regarding a 3% payrise in June? As far as I'm aware the pay negotiations for this year are still ongoing.

Not sure to be honest that's what he said in my 1 to 1, I mean this could all be made up as far as it goes cos I haven't received one letter or anything official to say I'm getting demoted and losing nearly £3 an hour to go back driving, I mean I can't appeal or complain to anyone as Iv just gone off what my store manager has said to me,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatboy on 08-03-21, 03:08PM
Is the dotcom manager roll going?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-03-21, 03:13PM
It sounds like there's several important legal requirements missing from the whole process, it sounds like your SM knows full well the legal requirements for a job change to occur either through demotion or redundancy, if your job change is a result of demotion, your line or lead manager must have been seen to support and document your performance through the SYP process and coaching, to not do so and force your demotion would be out of process and worthy of being grievanced, similarly, if it's through your role no longer being their due to obsolescence, you must be brought through the consultation process.

By the sounds of it, neither of these things have happened, which is to be expected, 90% of Tesco Managers belong on horseback in the wild west.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 08-03-21, 03:15PM
Quote from: Wirey2020 on 07-03-21, 12:43PM
On 11th April we have to sign a contract which changes our job title to a generic one...another words, from 12th April you can be moved from managing stock control to checkout and vica virsa!!
People need to understand is that there is no 'have to' about this, as it is a 'soft change' - i.e. everything has to be by mutual agreement.
There is an option to not agree to the changes, to not sign a new contract.
You thereby become a 'stuck' manager. You carry on doing the job you are doing now until such as a time that YOU decide to either accept the changes or leave (or they do the 'right' thing and offer redundancy).
This is the situation many 'stuck' stock managers have been in for over two years; and other managers from last years 'soft changes'.
You have to decide what is best for you; depending on your age, circumstances and future plans. Do not be bullied into anything you do not want.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 03:30PM
Quote from: Buster99 on 08-03-21, 02:10PM
Quote from: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 12:41PM
Interested to hear from any current picking team supports who have turned down new role. On paper it looks like much the same job apart from new starter reviews, welcome backs and note taking. It doesn't now include any picking or turnaround, which it did before. Am I missing something?

Yeah they will be doing both sides driver team support role and picked side and manager roles for the same pay and having to change all there shifts from just mornings to mornings and late nights all for the same pay,

Thank you - no structure for driving team support in my store so I have always done both anyway. Was told my hours wouldn't change - but now you've said that that's something I need to be aware of and get in writing I think. Thanks for your help :)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-03-21, 03:31PM
Legally speaking, the purported "soft structure" change comprising only of a change in job title to team manager so it's generic rather than specific is disingenuous as it entails a material change to your responsibilities and accountabilities, the prospect of being moved around fulfilling managerial duties that used to be the domain of a specific department manager does count as a material change to the role and would therefore count as the previous role being removed and it not being reasonable to assume the new job role in light of the increase is demands.

With this being the case, I'm fairly sure USDAWs legal plus service or an employment law firm would be able to build a strong case for what looks legally to be a redundancy situation.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 08-03-21, 03:39PM
Any small superstore checkout team support had their one to one?
Will they still be expected to run checkouts...tablet, overtime, exceptions etc...but on a ga wage? What about customer service staff (or combined kiosk staff) will they still be getting the premium?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 08-03-21, 03:40PM
Quote from: JPW on 08-03-21, 12:06PM
Quote from: Stubbo on 08-03-21, 09:12AM
Quote from: JPW on 07-03-21, 11:15PM
I%u2019m a picking team support, I was told by my store manager that I could opt for a lump sum or payment protection for 18 months if I chose not to take the role (our store was shrunk from 6 to 3 and no one took up the shift leader positions). I am going back to being a picker and as far as I am concerned my pay will not be changing from my current TS rate.
Your pay will drop to ca rate and not stay the same. That's why they offer a balloon payment or protected pay for 18 months.

So what is protected pay  then? I was made to feel like I would be still paid at my current team support rate for the hours I will be doing after the job role change?

18 months of protected pay then drop to ca rate or 18 months worth of the difference paid in one go, then straight to ca rate
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dodo44 on 08-03-21, 03:53PM
So, where does this leave signed off, un-appointed managers then? I guess we'll be stuck in our role for years now until a gold dust management vacancy comes up, if it ever does. Is there a time frame in which your sign off would "expire" or because of the nature of it, I could apply for a vacancy as and when it appears over years to come?.. (once all "displaced" managers have had their moves/dibs)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: filling-machine on 08-03-21, 05:04PM
Company have made some strange decisions that show a lack of understanding of size / complexity of roles. Some Cat C / D Superstore nightshifts change from 1 Lead / 2 team to 3 team managers. Yet Cat A extras dropping to as little as 1 Lead / 2 TM. So both structures have 3 managers yet sales up to 3 times higher and headcount over double. In addition, if Extra Lead manager sticks to their job description, the responsibities falling to just 2 TMs will be colossal.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 08-03-21, 05:36PM
I think what is clear is Tesco has massively underestimated the complexity of Dotcom and the
Knowledge and skill they are loosing with these bizzare cuts? Now would have been the time to invest given the extra Customers we have acquired?
Instead we will probably lose many Team Supports from Picking and Driving and soon numerous Managers.
Wish everyone going though this much luck. After the last 12 months it's a terrible slap in the face
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatboy on 08-03-21, 05:39PM
Is the dotcom manager role going?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: William91 on 08-03-21, 06:26PM
Do we know if Checkout TS will be offered the same as Dotcom if they choose to step down?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 08-03-21, 07:59PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 11:06AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 10:58AM
Tesco is doing us dirty!

It's time for strike action.

Thing is, I doubt many floor GA staff would go on strike just so the Team Leaders can keep their £2 extra.

Sad but true,
i would. if they are allowed to get away with this without a fight then we're all f***ed in the future. i strongly advise all team support to step down otherwise in my opinion they will regret it. they want their cake and eat it. f*** em. step down
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dotcomts on 08-03-21, 08:27PM
Quote from: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 12:41PM
Interested to hear from any current picking team supports who have turned down new role. On paper it looks like much the same job apart from new starter reviews, welcome backs and note taking. It doesn't now include any picking or turnaround, which it did before. Am I missing something?

I haven't turned the new role as of yet but principally why should anyone rebrand themself & now pick up managerial tasks for the same pay? You get more money delivering mail for the royal mail.

We haven't the infrastructure in place at our place to support the upcoming launch of click & collect, we've massively outgrown the size of our department already storing shopping outside in the open & in containers. With the launch of click & collect it gets even more ridiculous, it's the qudini type where by one is supposed to sack barrow shopping across a shop floor & out into the car park multiple times a day!

So thinking about it, it's a get of jail free card as it's an easy life to go back driving Vs the extra stress & responsibilitys of now doing twice the work without the correct resources.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newguy20 on 08-03-21, 08:53PM
I was told by doctom manager they are trying to expand click and collect to the express stores. For example, customer can order a click and collect order which is picked at their local Extra and then a van drops it off at their express, they then pick it up on the way home from work etc... more work for everybody, wonder if there'd be more resources to suit...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rodders on 08-03-21, 09:34PM
Quote from: Dotcomts on 08-03-21, 08:27PM
Quote from: Nomansland on 08-03-21, 12:41PM
Interested to hear from any current picking team supports who have turned down new role. On paper it looks like much the same job apart from new starter reviews, welcome backs and note taking. It doesn't now include any picking or turnaround, which it did before. Am I missing something?

I haven't turned the new role as of yet but principally why should anyone rebrand themself & now pick up managerial tasks for the same pay? You get more money delivering mail for the royal mail.

We haven't the infrastructure in place at our place to support the upcoming launch of click & collect, we've massively outgrown the size of our department already storing shopping outside in the open & in containers. With the launch of click & collect it gets even more ridiculous, it's the qudini type where by one is supposed to sack barrow shopping across a shop floor & out into the car park multiple times a day!

So thinking about it, it's a get of jail free card as it's an easy life to go back driving Vs the extra stress & responsibilitys of now doing twice the work without the correct resources.

That is the reason myself and the other Driver Team Support have said No.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: helpme on 08-03-21, 09:50PM
All our DotCom TS are turning down the new position. They've run the department for years while the lead manager took all the plaudits (and a nice fat bonus) and did as little as possible. She's told them that they will still be required to help run the department even with stepping down and the TS who's a rep has told her the first time she tries that they will put in a collective grievance to head office which hasn't gone down well. They are all taking the lump sum as then if they find something elsewhere or decide to retire they will gain a little in their pocket.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 08-03-21, 10:29PM
Quote from: newguy20 on 08-03-21, 08:53PM
I was told by doctom manager they are trying to expand click and collect to the express stores. For example, customer can order a click and collect order which is picked at their local Extra and then a van drops it off at their express, they then pick it up on the way home from work etc... more work for everybody, wonder if there'd be more resources to suit...

They were on about doing a trial of this early last year within a couple of stores but it never happens due to the pandemic and the panic buying etc etc
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 08-03-21, 10:51PM
Quote from: helpme on 08-03-21, 09:50PM
They are all taking the lump sum as then if they find something elsewhere or decide to retire they will gain a little in their pocket.

Be careful about that, as I'm certain if they leave before the 18 months are up, then Tesco will claim the remaining months back of the colleagues.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 10:53PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 01:00PM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 12:36PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 10:14AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 09:59AM
They are all getting another role, and I've been told they will basically act like duty managers. "Running the shop, but not involved in any department" is exactly what I've been told.

The new Service Support will also deal with customer complaints, cash office and so on. It's becoming a massive role.

Looks like they are planning to do away with managers and have Service Support eventually running things on the lower level of pay.

I don't like the sound of Team Support basically getting promoted to Duty Manager level without the jobs being listed as new roles. Seems unfair.

It's the previous department managers who will be acting as duty managers, not TS. The Team Support will be doing all the duties of the department managers, except with more departments combined. It looks like only one is taking the offer in my store, so it will be opened up for applications.

I'm very confused.

So will all of team support get kept on just given a new job title and extra duties?

This will cause a s*** storm at my store as its a hornets nest.

Yes, precisely. A lot of extra duties. The headcount TS will have to manage in my store has soared to over 100!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 10:57PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 08-03-21, 10:51PM
Quote from: helpme on 08-03-21, 09:50PM
They are all taking the lump sum as then if they find something elsewhere or decide to retire they will gain a little in their pocket.

Be careful about that, as I'm certain if they leave before the 18 months are up, then Tesco will claim the remaining months back of the colleagues.

I actually asked my store manager about that today. He said if I took the lump sum and left, I wouldn't owe them anything. He also said if I took the two years protected payments and left, i would lose out on what was remaining if I left. He also advised that the lump sum is the better option, as he mentioned future pay increases taking up a portion of what I would have been getting, whereas with the lump sum I would get it all
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 09-03-21, 12:18AM
Please remember if you go for this option and you have a student loan , it will make a big difference in what you receive in your bank .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dotcomts on 09-03-21, 06:54AM
Anyone have any more clarification regarding the lump-sum (buyout) Vs payment protection. Our store manager has said if you take lump-sum & then leave you would have to pay it back? Given you'd be taxed on that amount how they work out the amount you'd pay back? Would you have to stay the 18 months?

It was also stated that any pay rises wouldn't apply with either the buyout or pay protection?

Not seeing any of this in black & white doesn't help!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 09-03-21, 07:54AM
Quote from: Dotcomts on 09-03-21, 06:54AM
Anyone have any more clarification regarding the lump-sum (buyout) Vs payment protection. Our store manager has said if you take lump-sum & then leave you would have to pay it back? Given you'd be taxed on that amount how they work out the amount you'd pay back? Would you have to stay the 18 months?

It was also stated that any pay rises wouldn't apply with either the buyout or pay protection?

Not seeing any of this in black & white doesn't help!

The TS in my store were told if they left within 18 months they would have to pay back. Protected pay keeps you at that level of pay but if a pay rise comes in you don't get the pay rise until it balances out, as in the pay rise would need to be equal to or above your TS hourly rate as it is now.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:20AM
I don't think Stock Control is effected by this
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: streaker on 09-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
I had mines last week, and not happy of the process, 42 years service , feel being forced  into a role.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 09-03-21, 09:39AM
Quote from: Dotcomts on 09-03-21, 06:54AM
Anyone have any more clarification regarding the lump-sum (buyout) Vs payment protection. Our store manager has said if you take lump-sum & then leave you would have to pay it back? Given you'd be taxed on that amount how they work out the amount you'd pay back? Would you have to stay the 18 months?

It was also stated that any pay rises wouldn't apply with either the buyout or pay protection?

Not seeing any of this in black & white doesn't help!

Mine said the opposite! Seems there is different information being given.

I was told the tax would work out the same, as it would 'even out' over the 18 months, that you would be taxed the amount, just not in one go.

My store manager also keeps telling me it's a two year protection plan, is he wrong about that as well?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:41AM
Quote from: streaker on 09-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
I had mines last week, and not happy of the process, 42 years service , feel being forced  into a role.

what changes are being made to stock control management?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: grim up north on 09-03-21, 10:06AM
Quote from: Dotcomts on 08-03-21, 08:27PM


I haven't turned the new role as of yet but principally why should anyone rebrand themself & now pick up managerial tasks for the same pay? You get more money delivering mail for the royal mail.


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Around 5 years ago, they got rid of half the managers in distribution and gave colleagues the chance of a 'service coordinator' role. Basically doing the old managers job for wait for it.... £10 extra per week. They had and still have no end of people willing to do it. Why, I don't know
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 09-03-21, 10:07AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 10:57PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 08-03-21, 10:51PM
Quote from: helpme on 08-03-21, 09:50PM
They are all taking the lump sum as then if they find something elsewhere or decide to retire they will gain a little in their pocket.

Be careful about that, as I'm certain if they leave before the 18 months are up, then Tesco will claim the remaining months back of the colleagues.

I actually asked my store manager about that today. He said if I took the lump sum and left, I wouldn't owe them anything. He also said if I took the two years protected payments and left, i would lose out on what was remaining if I left. He also advised that the lump sum is the better option, as he mentioned future pay increases taking up a portion of what I would have been getting, whereas with the lump sum I would get it all

I think your store manager is having trouble reading a simple brief.
It's 18 months protected pay or lump sum and the brief I've seen says they will take back the difference if you leave before 18m.
Was same for other structures over the past few years.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 09-03-21, 10:26AM
It does make sense, especially as similar was in place for bonuses. It's one of the reasons I asked him. He did stumble when I asked when the deadline for a decision was, he said 11 April, then the end of the month, and then he would call me in six days for my final decision. I'm glad I have this place to get clearer facts!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 09-03-21, 11:59AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-03-21, 03:31PM
Legally speaking, the purported "soft structure" change comprising only of a change in job title to team manager so it's generic rather than specific is disingenuous as it entails a material change to your responsibilities and accountabilities, the prospect of being moved around fulfilling managerial duties that used to be the domain of a specific department manager does count as a material change to the role and would therefore count as the previous role being removed and it not being reasonable to assume the new job role in light of the increase is demands.

With this being the case, I'm fairly sure USDAWs legal plus service or an employment law firm would be able to build a strong case for what looks legally to be a redundancy situation.


This depends on what your contract says, Does your contract state you are the manager of a specific department.

Have a read of this it may help somone.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/rights-at-work/basic-rights-and-contracts/changes-to-employment-contracts-overview/
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Why_would_you_do_this on 09-03-21, 01:14PM
So about 6 months ago I had an interview and was given 15 hours of team support per week, picking up overtime as team support and checkouts. They never gave me a new contract and when I asked I was told I can't have one because it would mess up my holiday somehow.

In my 1-2-1 I was told that I was a normal checkout colleague who "stepped up" and therefore not entitled to any pay protection whatsoever. 3 other people are in the same position as me, while those with contracts do get pay protection.

So my options are go back to boring checkout work, continue running checkouts for no extra pay or wait a possibly infinite amount of time until a manager leaves and a shift leader position becomes available. I feel like I've been scammed out of my job, I was really enjoying it and getting up-skilled to take on more responsibility. I don't know what I'm going to do.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 01:21PM
Quote from: streaker on 09-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
I had mines last week, and not happy of the process, 42 years service , feel being forced  into a role.

What is changing? Are you extra/superstore?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-03-21, 01:22PM
Your contract and job code will tell you your job title, however, you may have very little in the way of employee rights, especially with regards to redundancy if your tenure is less than 2 years, but it could very well be Tesco policy for pay protection or an 18 month lump sum to be payable to you if you lose lose money every week due to a job title change.

Add to this, if you were "stepping up" you would be paid deputising pay, 90% of the full rate of team support, however, i do find it peculiar you would even be in such a position with less than 6 months service.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Crapscan on 09-03-21, 01:24PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:41AM
Quote from: streaker on 09-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
I had mines last week, and not happy of the process, 42 years service , feel being forced  into a role.

what changes are being made to stock control management?

Depends what your structure looks like. For instance in my busy £600K+ superstore we are going from 10 team mangers and 1 lead team to 5 team mangers and 4 shift leaders. There is a service manager that will look after all areas with 4 service team support, a fresh food manager, a grocery manager, a gm and f&f manager and a stock and cash manager (the stock and cash manager looks after stock, admin, cash office, security and cleaning) the managers are all responsible for doing the schedules, meetings, people routines for all their colleagues. They also have to look after the whole shop and not just their own departments. The shift leaders will open and close the store and hold the duty phone. The service team support will do as they should be doing now with ensuring the daily running of the checkouts, desk etc but with added PFS now. they will also have to liaise with visitors etc (makes sense as they are at the front). My role is currently no longer a part of the new structure however Ill stay within my role until something comes up (highly unlikely) or I choose to leave (also not going to happen) so I'm not really worried.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Why_would_you_do_this on 09-03-21, 01:28PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 09-03-21, 01:22PM
Your contract and job code will tell you your job title, however, you may have very little in the way of employee rights, especially with regards to redundancy if your tenure is less than 2 years, but it could very well be Tesco policy for pay protection or an 18 month lump sum to be payable to you if you lose lose money every week due to a job title change.

Add to this, if you were "stepping up" you would be paid deputising pay, 90% of the full rate of team support, however, i do find it peculiar you would even be in such a position with less than 6 months service.

I've worked for Tesco on and off for a few years, but only got the team support role 6 months ago. My payslip job role is still customer assistant. I will be losing money each week from the lower hourly pay.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dotnochance on 09-03-21, 01:52PM
I have been told my dotcome is having 4 managers now up from 2
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 02:04PM
Quote from: Crapscan on 09-03-21, 01:24PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:41AM
Quote from: streaker on 09-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: emma070706 on 09-03-21, 09:08AM
Have any Stock/Admin managers had a 1-2-1 and able to shed any light on that role?
I had mines last week, and not happy of the process, 42 years service , feel being forced  into a role.

what changes are being made to stock control management?

Depends what your structure looks like. For instance in my busy £600K+ superstore we are going from 10 team mangers and 1 lead team to 5 team mangers and 4 shift leaders. There is a service manager that will look after all areas with 4 service team support, a fresh food manager, a grocery manager, a gm and f&f manager and a stock and cash manager (the stock and cash manager looks after stock, admin, cash office, security and cleaning) the managers are all responsible for doing the schedules, meetings, people routines for all their colleagues. They also have to look after the whole shop and not just their own departments. The shift leaders will open and close the store and hold the duty phone. The service team support will do as they should be doing now with ensuring the daily running of the checkouts, desk etc but with added PFS now. they will also have to liaise with visitors etc (makes sense as they are at the front). My role is currently no longer a part of the new structure however Ill stay within my role until something comes up (highly unlikely) or I choose to leave (also not going to happen) so I'm not really worried.

Sounds rather chaotic. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 09-03-21, 03:22PM
[admin]Become a VLH supporter and you can start you own topic on strike action.[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dairyfresh on 09-03-21, 03:52PM
beware of unoficial strike action as you are not protected.

An employer may take various measures, up to and including dismissal,
against any employee who takes industrial action. An employee who is
dismissed by his employer while taking industrial action may lose his right to
claim unfair dismissal
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 09-03-21, 04:21PM
We don't want to work for a company that searches us, abuses us and treats us without dignity.

We should strike to show them that the company is our Tesco.

Not those of the elite.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-03-21, 05:02PM
Quote from: dairyfresh on 09-03-21, 03:52PM
beware of unoficial strike action as you are not protected.

An employer may take various measures, up to and including dismissal,
against any employee who takes industrial action. An employee who is
dismissed by his employer while taking industrial action may lose his right to
claim unfair dismissal

Not if it's backed by a union, being dismissed for union authorised strike action is classed as automatic unfair dismissal and brings with it a potential unlimited fine. Unofficial strike action however is not protected, the best way to go about striking against Tesco is to first start a public campaign against USDAW asking for their dissolution, at the very least it would show Tesco to be the anti-unionists they are, most of the time USDAW is little more than an agent for public relations.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 09-03-21, 05:11PM
We are also a £600k plus store but only 4 team managers and 4 shift leaders. I would like to find out why some are getting just an ambient manager who has grocery warehouse frozen bws h&b gm f&f. But some are getting a separate f&f gm manager. I presume it's headcount or turnover but would like to know the cut off for this.
I just can't see how we can go from 12 managers to 4 if no one leaves or moves on. Doesn't add up. And then if they do decide on doing something later down the line the shift leader jobs will all be gone. Why would anyone do a shift leader role in an extra or large superstore for the same pay as a shift leader in a little express. None of this makes much sense to me.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-03-21, 05:15PM
Express Shift Leaders have it much harder than a lot of other manager positions, they are often the duty of the store and have a lot more responsibility than SLs in Metros and presumably superstores.

I know Express fuel sites that take around £300k+ a week plus that have 1 SM and 3 full times SLs and 1 part time, and about 20 part time cas, never more than 1 on 3  or 1 on 4,  they also don't have cleaners like Superstores do. Express SLs definitely should be on more money just for the fact that they are usually the top of the chain when running shift, while in Metro and Superstore they will have TMs and possibly leads or the SM in the store as well.

In fact, this is somewhat recognised by the fact that it's only in Express that SLs get paid for not being able to take their break.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 09-03-21, 05:29PM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 09-03-21, 04:21PM
We don't want to work for a company that searches us, abuses us and treats us without dignity.

We should strike to show them that the company is our Tesco.

Not those of the elite.

Unless you are willing to provide a valid strike solution, then I suggest you stop bringing this option up.
This is not f3cebook, twitt8r or any other social media platform where you can lead some revolution.
Colleagues want a lawful solution to their concerns as they fear losing their jobs.
If you want to do something to help, then you should post real options that can be used to challenge this change, rather then constantly talking rubbish.
If you want strike action in Tesco then you need to be the person to start it. No one else is going to do it, no matter how much your colleagues in your store agree with you.

If you want to lobby the Union for strike action, then you will probably find you will get some support if done properly.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dirty-donkey on 09-03-21, 05:30PM
Colleague 3000000 you need to stop squealing like a stuck pig in every thread and go away and google a poem called 'First They Came For The Jews' by Martin Niemöller.
Read that, and then go away and sit in a corner and hang your head in shame and have a think about all those Tosco workers who have been pushed out and abused over the last decade.
Didn't hear a cheap out of you on here then? But hey! I was alright, Jack!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 09-03-21, 05:55PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 09-03-21, 05:15PM
Express Shift Leaders have it much harder than a lot of other manager positions, they are often the duty of the store and have a lot more responsibility than SLs in Metros and presumably superstores.

I know Express fuel sites that take around £300k+ a week plus that have 1 SM and 3 full times SLs and 1 part time, and about 20 part time cas, never more than 1 on 3  or 1 on 4,  they also don't have cleaners like Superstores do. Express SLs definitely should be on more money just for the fact that they are usually the top of the chain when running shift, while in Metro and Superstore they will have TMs and possibly leads or the SM in the store as well.

In fact, this is somewhat recognised by the fact that it's only in Express that SLs get paid for not being able to take their break.
The intention is for Shift Managers to run the stores as per Express, Team Managers do colleague things. Apparently.
No doubt soon all stores will have to do their own cleaning ....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 09-03-21, 07:34PM
Just remember are well being is their top priority.💩💩💩💩👍
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Colleague 3000000 on 09-03-21, 07:38PM
Stay safe - that's the Tesco workers motto.

As long as it happens to someone else there will be no strikes.

That's what a union is all about, unity, you strike even when it doesn't really effect you but others in your group.

That's how unions have their power. They get all the group to strike not just the ones effected.

1 in every £8 is spent in the uk is spent in a Tesco. Did you know that?

Yes we have the power to cause some serious financial disruption if we issue a strike order. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 09-03-21, 08:04PM
The unions a joke ...... pointless route to take.They've taken a self destruct route with staff end of.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 09-03-21, 08:50PM
I was told my buy out figure today. Didn't expect to hear it, as I was originally told that they only calculate it once you state a lump sum buy out as your decision. I haven't given them an answer yet. The pay out is generous, when compared to statutory redundancy pay.!

I have to keep reminding younger colleagues that it's not a bonus, and that there will be a permanent pay cut at the end of it!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ulsterlass on 09-03-21, 09:01PM
I am currently a grocery team manager in a large superstore. We currently have 2 lead team and 8 managers. Our structure is 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. How is this possible to cut the management by half. It would made more sense offering reduncies as i would of taken it.  Does anyone know what the salary is for a full time shift leader
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 09-03-21, 09:11PM
£11.16 an hour.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Kizza7 on 09-03-21, 11:01PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:20AM
I don't think Stock Control is effected by this

Stock & admin managers stitched up again 2 years after previous "soft structure"
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 09-03-21, 11:53PM
Quote from: dirty-donkey on 09-03-21, 05:30PM
Colleague 3000000 you need to stop squealing like a stuck pig in every thread and go away and google a poem called 'First They Came For The Jews' by Martin Niemöller.
Read that, and then go away and sit in a corner and hang your head in shame and have a think about all those Tosco workers who have been pushed out and abused over the last decade.
Didn't hear a cheap out of you on here then? But hey! I was alright, Jack!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 10-03-21, 09:01AM
Full time shift leader is roughly 21k a year. This doesn't include sundays, I'm pretty sure they work any 5/7 so you would get a few Sunday's throughout the year plus the option of overtime on days off etc
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 10-03-21, 09:33AM
Quote from: Ulsterlass on 09-03-21, 09:01PM
I am currently a grocery team manager in a large superstore. We currently have 2 lead team and 8 managers. Our structure is 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. How is this possible to cut the management by half. It would made more sense offering reduncies as i would of taken it.  Does anyone know what the salary is for a full time shift leader

Because it not going to happen. non of the managers will lose their jobs Tesco have stated this already. While they want your store to be 4 managers and 4 shift leaders they are going to wait utill managers leave of their own volition and not replace them.

So basically never.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-03-21, 10:05AM
Quote from: Ulsterlass on 09-03-21, 09:01PM
I am currently a grocery team manager in a large superstore. We currently have 2 lead team and 8 managers. Our structure is 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. How is this possible to cut the management by half. It would made more sense offering reduncies as i would of taken it.  Does anyone know what the salary is for a full time shift leader

With overtime and premiums, I know some hitting just over £24k a year in express.

There is very little difference between a Shift Leader and a Team Manager, i would go so far to say that in some respects, Express shift leaders have greater responsibilities than a team manager as they're always duty and key holders.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 10-03-21, 11:38AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-03-21, 10:05AM
Quote from: Ulsterlass on 09-03-21, 09:01PM
I am currently a grocery team manager in a large superstore. We currently have 2 lead team and 8 managers. Our structure is 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. How is this possible to cut the management by half. It would made more sense offering reduncies as i would of taken it.  Does anyone know what the salary is for a full time shift leader

With overtime and premiums, I know some hitting just over £24k a year in express.

There is very little difference between a Shift Leader and a Team Manager, i would go so far to say that in some respects, Express shift leaders have greater responsibilities than a team manager as they're always duty and key holders.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 10-03-21, 09:33AM
Quote from: Ulsterlass on 09-03-21, 09:01PM
I am currently a grocery team manager in a large superstore. We currently have 2 lead team and 8 managers. Our structure is 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. How is this possible to cut the management by half. It would made more sense offering reduncies as i would of taken it.  Does anyone know what the salary is for a full time shift leader

Because it not going to happen. non of the managers will lose their jobs Tesco have stated this already. While they want your store to be 4 managers and 4 shift leaders they are going to wait utill managers leave of their own volition and not replace them.

So basically never.

Some leads will be promoted to wl3, some managers will be promoted to leads or move to express.   Huge expansion of express planned over next couple of years so loads of jobs. 

Some will retire, some will leave to join other companies.



Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cwtch on 10-03-21, 11:52AM
[mod]Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).[/mod]

What they are trying to do is move the colleagues on full time hrs and the managers on the higher salaries around and make their life hard so they can get rid of them and have these know all's in suits come in and run the stores for very little but at the same time lining their pockets so they are OK.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RhysGGood on 10-03-21, 01:11PM
If a manager chooses to take a colleague role throughout this restructure will they be entitled to a pay out?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 10-03-21, 03:39PM
I believe Team Managers can take Shift Leader role with 18 months buy out dont know to CA (dont see why not)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-03-21, 04:04PM
It has to be a suitable alternative, Shift Leaders are much in line with Team Managers, the pay difference is probably about £500 a year (or the same if you include premiums, potentially less if you include overtime).

Going to a CA would be considered "Stepping down" and not in line with what Tesco is offering.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 10-03-21, 04:14PM
Shift leaders are 11.15 an hour some team managers are on a good few quid more than that. It's a lot more than £500 difference
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-03-21, 05:41PM
Team Managers range from £22k a year to £32k a year, some can be, but the lower rung ones won't be on much more if anything at all when things like Sunday premiums and overtime are taken into account.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: overworkedexpresslad on 10-03-21, 07:42PM
I'm an express team leader and so far this year i've earnt just under £22k with still another paid day to go.
We also deserve to be paid more than normal shift leaders in superstore/extra's as we have more duties to care of and often have to run the shop 1 on 1 and no store manager. We don's stop from the minute we enter the store to the minute we leave and if we get a break then its a good day. Think yourself lucky if your in superstore/Extra. same money for far less responsibility.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SwampDonkey on 10-03-21, 08:34PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-21, 11:06AM
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 10:58AM
Tesco is doing us dirty!

It's time for strike action.

Thing is, I doubt many floor GA staff would go on strike just so the Team Leaders can keep their £2 extra.

Sad but true,

I really want to strike too!!! I feel completely shafted! The thought of sitting on a checkout on set hours drives me insane!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 11-03-21, 09:12AM
Re: removal of Checkout Team Support in small superstore.
Comparing the old and new definitions of Off Till Activity, there is very little difference to the tasks and current Team Support are the only ones trained to complete many if them. This screams EXPLOITATION as they will be the only "Ga's" completing these tasks because they know how to. Will all checkouts ga's be given access to the cash office, so anyone can complete this task?
Who will take responsibility of break rota, will everyone have access to tablet? If there are too many team managers, there will be few or no shift leaders to fill the void.
Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: emma070706 on 11-03-21, 02:33PM
Quote from: Kizza7 on 09-03-21, 11:01PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 09-03-21, 09:20AM
I don't think Stock Control is effected by this

Stock & admin managers stitched up again 2 years after previous "soft structure"

Are you a stock and admin manager? What are the changes?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stockman on 11-03-21, 02:43PM
Has anyone seen the buy out policy? Can a manager step down to shift leader, take the payment and then leave after 6 months?

Cheers
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RhysGGood on 11-03-21, 04:08PM
I'm a a manager who will be stepping down to a colleague role but by the looks of it I don't get anything so really should step down to shift leader then step down again over due course
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Gizmo on 11-03-21, 04:32PM
Every manager role is affected by this change but the question is what happens if a manager doesn't agree to sign the document like they have been asked to do by the 12 April, so that Tesco can change them from a department team manager to a team manager on their contract. Some stock control managers didn't agree to change to a stock and admin manager & been in limbo since would we see the same scenario
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: David1 on 11-03-21, 04:41PM
I remember recruiting line managers on 36k per year. Blimey those days are gone.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 11-03-21, 04:51PM
Quote from: Gizmo on 11-03-21, 04:32PM
Every manager role is affected by this change but the question is what happens if a manager doesn't agree to sign the document like they have been asked to do by the 12 April, so that Tesco can change them from a department team manager to a team manager on their contract. Some stock control managers didn't agree to change to a stock and admin manager & been in limbo since would we see the same scenario
Definitely. There has to be this option as a 'soft' change. Be interesting what the company do about that (eventually). I am sure the SMs have been tasked to get everyone to accept the new roles, but there will always be us awkward ones ....... depends on where you are in your career .......
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 11-03-21, 05:02PM
Question to someone who may know. If team leader role is coming out of a store, they are told to step down to CA and get either a lump sum or protected pay for 18 months.
In what way is this NOT a redundancy situation?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: barafear on 11-03-21, 06:00PM
I think the technical HR phrase would be that an employee has been offered suitable alternative employment.

https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/suitable-alternative-employment

If you fancy your chances of fighting a tribunal case and stating that the roles/pay are not "suitable" to your skills, then go ahead.

This is what happens across the board.

Who is to say that removing a £20k/year post and offering a person a £16k/year post is not offering a suitable alternative employment - and of course, sweetened with pay protection/lump sum (which is probably mandatory anyway).
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: takethemoneyandrun on 11-03-21, 07:10PM
What happens if there are not enough shift leader roles to accommodate the department managers??..does this mean they are displaced again like the s/c managers are from 2 years ago? On managers pay but just sitting in the with the wages clerk doing fornicate all day 5 days a week?? Because there is no role for them..
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-03-21, 07:30PM
The pay protection/lump sum isn't mandatory, it's a sweetener to take the focus away from the legal definition of redundancy, "stepping down" wouldn't be considered suitable alternative employment as it would be seen as making them underemployed as there would be a distinction between responsibilities and accountabilities as well as salary.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: sam on 11-03-21, 11:44PM
Any update about GM manager ? my Gm/H&b department have 10 staff ,is my manager is going to be moved?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: T.C.1 on 12-03-21, 06:01AM
Wait what 10 staff we are a big extra and we have 4 on GM and nights do H&B just seems a lot of staff
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: AudiTTman on 12-03-21, 06:02AM
The role of Off Till Activity has vastly changed, they now only do the basic stuff, no more Rotas etc, no more change run! However, how do they justify dropping their wage to a C grade when the CSD staff will still be on a D grade and yet, they don't do as much as they used to?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 12-03-21, 07:59AM
Quote from: T.C.1 on 12-03-21, 06:01AM
Wait what 10 staff we are a big extra and we have 4 on GM and nights do H&B just seems a lot of staff

We have 16 in ours 😂, all women nights, 3 of them, 4 lads for during day and then 9 between 6am and 8pm for GM who manage to get about as much done as 1 if the girls in nights and they are slow 😂, guess you got a real short straw for your extra compared to ours... Though you can never find Any of them during the day until clock out 🤔.....

Used to just have 2 on nights for GM back in the day too I miss those days was peaceful over there at night...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 12-03-21, 08:36AM
@AudiTTman, the CSD on D grade is mainly to do with moneygram etc, and I think that was how phone shop were able to fight there corner to be paid the same a few years back.
They all come under the FCA and if you haven't completed the relevant training then you cannot even help the colleague who might be struggling.

I've known managers investigated by HO on advise from Moneygram just because they helped the CSD colleague who was struggling for whatever reason.
It's basically if you haven't completed the relevant financial training you do not get involved, no matter how much the CSD or Phoneshop colleague is struggling, and the majority of managers are not required to have completed it.
Whether that will now change with the new structure is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: T.C.1 on 12-03-21, 09:20AM
@oldfashionedplayer, 16!!! O my days like to see your heat map  :'(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-03-21, 12:37PM
From what I understand, Tesco themselves don't have as much autonomy over what they do with phone shop colleagues, I've heard they also don't answer till checkouts because there's some sort of influence from O2 as well.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trolleyboy96 on 12-03-21, 02:17PM
From the managers part of the restructure there's no date so it's routine as normal, will be phased in as managers leave, so if you go from 10 managers down to 6 in new structure 4 need to leave, I'm guessing if 2 leave that means shift supervisors can start to be phased in. This is a long game restructure could take years in some stores. But if one store on your group moves at pace and is then short, under the new team manager title they can move the managers in the over staffed to the understaffed store, if it's not nights to days or vice versa it's deemed reasonable.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-03-21, 02:58PM
Moving stores may be unreasonable if distance is further as you'd be more out of pocket and free time.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 12-03-21, 07:48PM
Does anyone know for sure when we need to give our managers our final decisions on the roles? I was given three answers in a single sentence, when I asked the question! "By 11th April, so by the end of the month we need your answer - I'll call you Monday for your final decision"

8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: superstore_tl on 12-03-21, 07:55PM
The new job role begins on 11 April
Although I have not been told when you officially have to agree by

Typical getting 3 answers though
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mystery2021 on 12-03-21, 11:04PM
Is the checkout team support to move to service team support or do we
Still get the option of stepping down as a customer assistant with the buy out or
The cut in skill payment for 18 months
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Alis Angels on 13-03-21, 12:14AM
Has any team support in dot com had there meetings yet
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 12:16AM
Quote from: Mystery2021 on 12-03-21, 11:04PM
Is the checkout team support to move to service team support or do we
Still get the option of stepping down as a customer assistant with the buy out or
The cut in skill payment for 18 months

You have to choose what you will do. But if you try the STS role and change your mind, you lose the buy out for stepping down later
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mystery2021 on 13-03-21, 05:02AM
So all offers are still available to checkout team support then. Can your sm just transfer you over without given you those options.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 12:16AM
Quote from: Mystery2021 on 12-03-21, 11:04PM
Is the checkout team support to move to service team support or do we
Still get the option of stepping down as a customer assistant with the buy out or
The cut in skill payment for 18 months

You have to choose what you will do. But if you try the STS role and change your mind, you lose the buy out for stepping down later


Not sure that should be the case, at least in the case of redundancy you are entitled to try a new role for a set period of time to see if it is a good fit or not and then still decide to acccept redundancy.

I would query that and not kust take a managers word for it, remember they have no more clue than you but will act as if they are the font of all knowledge.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Omg1 on 13-03-21, 10:42AM
As a store manager that left after the last restructure ( compliance managers and PM ) don't believe any thing unless you get it in writing. I saw people given wrong information in different stores and when regional support were asked to provide guidance it was wrong and then they denied it. No support at all !. I left as I felt my integrity was compromised and lies told to effected colleagues. This one will be the same on what I have heard and I know even more store managers will leave . Good luck to everyone who will be effected but some people have been doing a lesser job in the management teams than other for a few years now. Grocery managers moved to twilight shifts a few years ago was the start of the treating people differently.
There are many companies that you can go to that will value your skills , Tesco stopped valuing everyone when Philip Clarke took over.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 10:44AM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 13-03-21, 09:28AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 12:16AM
Quote from: Mystery2021 on 12-03-21, 11:04PM
Is the checkout team support to move to service team support or do we
Still get the option of stepping down as a customer assistant with the buy out or
The cut in skill payment for 18 months

You have to choose what you will do. But if you try the STS role and change your mind, you lose the buy out for stepping down later


Not sure that should be the case, at least in the case of redundancy you are entitled to try a new role for a set period of time to see if it is a good fit or not and then still decide to acccept redundancy.

I would query that and not kust take a managers word for it, remember they have no more clue than you but will act as if they are the font of all knowledge.

I've queried it multiple times, as when a similar situation arose in a different company I worked for, we had a month's trial without forfeiting redundancy. (It was redundancy in that situation) I've even told them that all new contracts have cooling off periods by law - but they still keep insisting there are no trials. I would have given the role a go, if they would allow it
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Biscuit tin on 13-03-21, 10:48AM
They made a total hash of the information given to the bakeries last year. Getting rid of over half the skilled staff in lots of stores on the basis of less range and more part bake, neither of which actually materialised.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 13-03-21, 11:23AM

If the options Tesco have set out for you are unacceptable then you should say this in your 1 to 1 meeting Tesco are looking to make the changes by an informal approach and individual agreement in the event they cannot achieve the changes in this way then they may have to leave the structures and roles as they are or they may have to consider other options
You should not be pressurised into agreeing any changes to your current role if if the options available are not suitable this is informal consultation at this stage should it become formal then we will be available to support and advice you during that process
In the meantime you may want to let Tesco know how you feel about the proposed changes now you are clear that Usdaw have had no part in this decision or agreed any changes Usdaw is challenging these proposed changes and have a team of reps who are team support / team managers currently meeting with Tesco to feedback our concerns and have asked Tesco to pause the changes until we can clear up the confusion and mixed messages and the changes to some of the checkout team support and dot com team support roles as well as off till activity
I want to assure you Usdaw are actively in discussions with Tesco we may not be able to change the decision to introduce a new management structure but I hope we can influence Tesco to consider other options I trust this helps take care
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mystery2021 on 13-03-21, 11:25AM
What I've heard that store managers are saying checkout team support will automatically move over to the service team support role and don't get the option to take the but out of the skill payment or the 25% cut. Which was briefed at 1st meeting when it came down.

Thats the confusing part if its came down like that then should checkout team support have that option or not.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 13-03-21, 12:10PM
I see there an F+F shift leader role, will all clothing stores be getting this? Can't believe they will get paid the same as the new service team supports they have a much bigger role to do.
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057857991-F-F-Shift-Leader
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 12:43PM
Quote from: Albert on 13-03-21, 11:23AM

If the options Tesco have set out for you are unacceptable then you should say this in your 1 to 1 meeting Tesco are looking to make the changes by an informal approach and individual agreement in the event they cannot achieve the changes in this way then they may have to leave the structures and roles as they are or they may have to consider other options
You should not be pressurised into agreeing any changes to your current role if if the options available are not suitable this is informal consultation at this stage should it become formal then we will be available to support and advice you during that process
In the meantime you may want to let Tesco know how you feel about the proposed changes now you are clear that Usdaw have had no part in this decision or agreed any changes Usdaw is challenging these proposed changes and have a team of reps who are team support / team managers currently meeting with Tesco to feedback our concerns and have asked Tesco to pause the changes until we can clear up the confusion and mixed messages and the changes to some of the checkout team support and dot com team support roles as well as off till activity
I want to assure you Usdaw are actively in discussions with Tesco we may not be able to change the decision to introduce a new management structure but I hope we can influence Tesco to consider other options I trust this helps take care

They are making it seem pretty formal, I keep being pressured into giving my final decision on Monday, but I want more time. I don't need more and more meetings (which they keep insisting on, until I answer) I just want time to myself to think! If I have questions, I can ask any time
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 13-03-21, 12:45PM
Quote from: Mystery2021 on 13-03-21, 11:25AM
What I've heard that store managers are saying checkout team support will automatically move over to the service team support role and don't get the option to take the but out of the skill payment or the 25% cut. Which was briefed at 1st meeting when it came down.

Thats the confusing part if its came down like that then should checkout team support have that option or not.

Couldn't be more different from my store. We have been given the choice. No one can be forced into a role they don't want. A lot of the TS in my store are inflexible, so have to turn down the STS role on that basis
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: chris9997 on 13-03-21, 01:41PM
The thing is that with events as they have been this year there are going to be some MM who don't want redundancy because of the small payout against no job , say a manager under 30 who has been withe the company say 4 years will only get weeks + companies payment around 4 weeks which would be just over 2 months pay if you have not got another job by then you are then in a worse position.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: sam on 13-03-21, 11:01PM
In my store they combined GM and F&F ,one manager is going to move other role and one is going to take this position ,is this minor change or soft structure change ?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dodo44 on 13-03-21, 11:41PM
Can someone please clarify for me.. those large stores where Checkout Team Support are transitioning to Service Team Support does this come with a pay cut in the skills payment? If so, then this wasn't mentioned in any 1-2-1s that was had.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 14-03-21, 02:06AM
Quote from: .....1 on 13-03-21, 12:10PM
I see there an F+F shift leader role, will all clothing stores be getting this? Can't believe they will get paid the same as the new service team supports they have a much bigger role to do.
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360057857991-F-F-Shift-Leader

Aye, Team Support is disgustingly overpaid for what they do.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 14-03-21, 06:45AM
Quote from: Dodo44 on 13-03-21, 11:41PM
Can someone please clarify for me.. those large stores where Checkout Team Support are transitioning to Service Team Support does this come with a pay cut in the skills payment? If so, then this wasn't mentioned in any 1-2-1s that was had.
No, Service Team Support in larger stores keep skills payment, those in smaller stores will lose payment and still be expected to carry out "off till activities" as a GA.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Red75 on 14-03-21, 07:11AM
They're advertising for shift leaders at the Superstore where I work.
Does anyone know how much they will be paid?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Suppord on 14-03-21, 09:00AM
[mod]Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).[/mod]

11.16
Not sure if they have upskill on doing duty cover though.  Lucky you have shift leaders available a lot of stores like my own have too many managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 14-03-21, 09:52AM
Quote from: Morris999 on 09-03-21, 10:07AM
Quote from: Cinderella on 08-03-21, 10:57PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 08-03-21, 10:51PM
Quote from: helpme on 08-03-21, 09:50PM
They are all taking the lump sum as then if they find something elsewhere or decide to retire they will gain a little in their pocket.



Be careful about that, as I'm certain if they leave before the 18 months are up, then Tesco will claim the remaining months back of the colleagues.

I actually asked my store manager about that today. He said if I took the lump sum and left, I wouldn't owe them anything. He also said if I took the two years protected payments and left, i would lose out on what was remaining if I left. He also advised that the lump sum is the better option, as he mentioned future pay increases taking up a portion of what I would have been getting, whereas with the lump sum I would get it all

I think your store manager is having trouble reading a simple brief.
It's 18 months protected pay or lump sum and the brief I've seen says they will take back the difference if you leave before 18m.
Was same for other structures over the past few years.

The protected pay is 24 months in this structure, the buyout is 18 months
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: HR Advice on 14-03-21, 12:48PM
Has anyone asked if you just say that you are not willing to agree to the changes?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: markwinters on 14-03-21, 02:14PM
the company aren't being honest about this in my opinion, what happens if we don't agree, I am being told its a " minor " change, hard to see how it is, many of my current responsibilities go to new team leader roles?  feel as being treated sign it or else...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Twine on 14-03-21, 02:20PM
In my store I'm team support, I asked the questions "what if I don't agree" sm response was "look for other vacancies in store however there is none" or look in other stores which are not viable due to location and transport. So then asked "what happens if nothing suitable or no alternative to step down to" then your basically talking your self out of a job and no redundancy payments, so I feel forced to accept the changes/new role or lose my job, surely this is not acceptable
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 14-03-21, 03:10PM
certainly looks like team support  - and anyone else being told they must step down - are getting the worse of this. I don't see how this is any way legal - without the offer of redundancy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 14-03-21, 03:11PM
No matter what anyone says , unless you are prepared for them to contractually dismiss you and then take them to court , it is a case of doing what Tesco want . It's easy for people to say on here that things are against policy  and that might be true but having been in a similar position and just weeks away from contractual dismissal , I had to change jobs in the end as I have a mortgage and bills to pay .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 14-03-21, 03:39PM
Always a pity when bullies win, and encourages them to repeat the exercise.

It is at such times one has to make full use of unions(yes I know), CAB, ACAS and possibly employment lawyers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 14-03-21, 05:01PM
Quote from: Welshie on 14-03-21, 03:11PM
No matter what anyone says , unless you are prepared for them to contractually dismiss you and then take them to court , it is a case of doing what Tesco want . It's easy for people to say on here that things are against policy  and that might be true but having been in a similar position and just weeks away from contractual dismissal , I had to change jobs in the end as I have a mortgage and bills to pay .

Welshie, in regards to this informal change for Managers there seems to be various final outcomes being banded around based on who your S.M is.
A friend in another shop who is a TM,  has been told they MAY be dismissed if they do not agree to the changes, however another friend in a very large extra has been told that it would be dealt with by work levels above store manager level if they refused to agree.

No body wants to loose their job, however if this will be the case if you do not agree, then Tesco need to say this.

I cant help but think some underhand tactics are being used to implement this change.
My opinion ofcourse
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tinkerbell1975 on 14-03-21, 07:08PM
God I hope the shift leader role comes with a different uniform if we're basically supposed to end up running the store. I remember the s*** show caused when they put managers in the same uniforms as the rest of the shop floor staff about 10 years ago - complaining customers weren't happy that the managers/supervisors weren't easily identifiable and used to ask for a "proper manager" when complaining. No wonder they swiftly changed it back and put them in their own uniforms again!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 14-03-21, 08:31PM
I'm supposed to give my decision tomorrow. I'm going to say I'm not ready and that I'm talking to the union to try to buy time. I also would like the 121s we've had to be given to me in writing, can I request this? As the information they are giving me isn't the same as everyone else and I don't want to find out they don't stick to agreements later on.

Everyone stepping down are really stressed about their new schedules - can we insist on sticking to the shift pattern we had before this change? Anyone know? Technically we were never 'needed' on checkouts at certain times, as that wasn't our role anyway
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 14-03-21, 11:54PM
Quote from: gummibear on 14-03-21, 07:08PM
God I hope the shift leader role comes with a different uniform if we're basically supposed to end up running the store. I remember the s*** show caused when they put managers in the same uniforms as the rest of the shop floor staff about 10 years ago - complaining customers weren't happy that the managers/supervisors weren't easily identifiable and used to ask for a "proper manager" when complaining. No wonder they swiftly changed it back and put them in their own uniforms again!

I am happy to stand corrected, but I suspect not. From my brief time in Express as a Shift Leader the only thing 'different' I had was a smart jacket and clip on tie...!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: undo on 15-03-21, 12:29AM
I'm a Checkout team support but have been shielding for the last 4 weeks. I return to work on the 1st of April but haven't been told much about the new Service team support/Shift leader structure and am feeling very out of the loop.

Am I right in assuming you will only be told the 18 month buyout amount once you have agreed to step down?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 15-03-21, 11:32AM
Have you been contacted by the store and told your return date is the 1st April? I didn't think Boris has announced shielding is ending yet
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 15-03-21, 11:34AM
Quote from: undo on 15-03-21, 12:29AM
I'm a Checkout team support but have been shielding for the last 4 weeks. I return to work on the 1st of April but haven't been told much about the new Service team support/Shift leader structure and am feeling very out of the loop.

Am I right in assuming you will only be told the 18 month buyout amount once you have agreed to step down?

I was told they would only tell you once you give your decision, but then they gave me my figure. They're probably assuming I've decided because I said I wasn't sure about the new role. It's not difficult to work out. Take the difference between your current pay and a checkout operator's pay and that difference over 18 months will be your figure.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 15-03-21, 12:04PM
Quote from: .....1 on 15-03-21, 11:32AM
Have you been contacted by the store and told your return date is the 1st April? I didn't think Boris has announced shielding is ending yet

Boris has said that they are currently looking to end Shielding on 31st March, however a final decision will be made in the middle of March, once the data of the vaccine program has come in with the data from the schools reopening.
As it stands all those who are shielding should have had or been offered a vaccine.
So the thinking of most who are shielding is that it will end on 31st March unless Supreme Leader Whitty decides to wait until they have had the second dose.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 15-03-21, 03:34PM
Many shielders will only have had one dose of vaccine so far and most shielders will be on medication that gives them a lower immune response and that's why they're shielding  . This means the vaccine has a lesser effect for them . I do think any shielder who is 3 weeks post second dose should be able to return to work in April .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 15-03-21, 03:41PM
Quote from: Welshie on 15-03-21, 03:34PM
Many shielders will only have had one dose of vaccine so far and most shielders will be on medication that gives them a lower immune response and that's why they're shielding  . This means the vaccine has a lesser effect for them . I do think any shielder who is 3 weeks post second dose should be able to return to work in April .
It was previously suggested by the government that the shielded should wait until 3 weeks after the second dose, be interesting to see what Tesco's approach to this is especially when many of the CEV by nature of their health condition get much less protection from the vaccines, also the government has said when shielding ends employers can still furlough anyone who's CEV until the scheme ends in September.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 15-03-21, 03:46PM
But Tesco have never furloughed shielders or even given them that option  and to be honest most I know have had enough now and just want back to work as soon as it's safe . It will be very interesting to see as it also means they'll be returning at different times .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 15-03-21, 04:16PM
Yeah I understand Tesco never furloughed anyone but a couple of colleagues who are shielding are very anxious about returning if Boris announces it as there is still a lot of unknowns about how the vaccines affect them, if someone in a company outside Tesco in the same  situation was able to be furloughed and get 80% pay and that option is not available to Tesco's CEV then it means colleagues may have to choose their job over health and that not really fair, some colleagues have real concerns.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 15-03-21, 05:31PM
What's interesting this time compared to the other 2 lockdowns, is that if Boris sticks to shielding ending on the 31st then all the non-essential shops will still be closed, putting the CEV's potentially at extra risk.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 15-03-21, 06:01PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 15-03-21, 05:31PM
What's interesting this time compared to the other 2 lockdowns, is that if Boris sticks to shielding ending on the 31st then all the non-essential shops will still be closed, putting the CEV's potentially at extra risk.
Exactly and it inevitable that the cases will rise again when everything starts opening up and with the kids back in school. I think where there are unknowns about vaccine effectiveness with some groups the government should  still apply shielding to those until more of the population is vaccinated, to me it doesn't make sense they say you can still get furloughed and also say shielding is ending.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 15-03-21, 06:11PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 15-03-21, 05:31PM
What's interesting this time compared to the other 2 lockdowns, is that if Boris sticks to shielding ending on the 31st then all the non-essential shops will still be closed, putting the CEV's potentially at extra risk.
Will the CEvs not have had their vaccination by then?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: .....1 on 15-03-21, 07:14PM
Most would of had the first but not the second. However there is a lot of doubt at the moment about the effectiveness of the vaccines on certain groups within the shielding group.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 15-03-21, 08:52PM
Topic subject: [admin]Management restructure 2021[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RhysGGood on 15-03-21, 09:45PM
Is there any managers on here thinking about stepping down to a colleague role throughout this restructure?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Welshie on 16-03-21, 12:55AM
Quote from: Nomad on 15-03-21, 08:52PM
Topic subject: Management restructure 2021

Nomad  you are correct as always but is there a way to move comments about shielding and vaccine to the correct topic as I personally am interested in opinions on returning to work/vaccine/ new strains as we move forward with trying to get shielders back to work while also maintaining their safety . Thanks

[admin]You're correct, there is a way to move posts. However like most things it is not straight forward, also if they are not noticed and moved at the right time the time/date of the post being moved will be out of sync with where it is being moved to thereby making the thread a nonsensical mix of dates/times with no logical flow. Then you have the problem of a post that touches on both subjects and a disgruntle member because a mod/admin edited their post, or moved a post that had in part info relevant to the thread it was posted in. Life 8-) :-*[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 16-03-21, 07:28AM
Can't you just create a new topic on shielding and return to work, and leave this thread for the management restructure?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mystery2021 on 16-03-21, 08:35AM
I'm getting mixed messages on here so is checkout team support just transferring over to
New job role as service team support? Because I'm seeing someone who Is checkout team
Support getting an offer of pay out.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: William91 on 16-03-21, 10:22AM
Quote from: Mystery2021 on 16-03-21, 08:35AM
I'm getting mixed messages on here so is checkout team support just transferring over to
New job role as service team support? Because I'm seeing someone who Is checkout team
Support getting an offer of pay out.

Same in our store. I'm under the impression we're just being moved over without a choice on the matter...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dodo44 on 16-03-21, 11:42AM
Same here - Ours is a large superstore so just transferring over to the new 'Service Team Support' role, no mention of buy out. I am understanding that small superstores will not have Team Support at all and an 'Off Till Activity' colleague role has been created instead and those TS will be offered a buy out or pay protection.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 16-03-21, 12:24PM
Dodo is correct.

Every store will be slightly different but some stores will have no TS at all, where as the bigger stores, where IDQ, service etc is a real challenge, they will keep the new form of TS
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 16-03-21, 03:17PM
In my store till team support are just becoming Service Team support. No one has been offered a buyout or protection pay if they step down instead.

However suspect its in stores where team support no longer exists where buyouts will come into play.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 16-03-21, 06:55PM
Has the scoting criteria for anyone who is not moving into the new job role been shared or can anyone share it.

We have a colleaugue who is has been told there is no role for them and they have to step down.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 16-03-21, 07:32PM
In my store we have the option of stepping down. Even managers are being given the option of stepping down to Service Team Support if they wish
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RhysGGood on 16-03-21, 09:24PM
Do managers in your store have the option of becoming a colleague?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 17-03-21, 08:49AM
Home shopping Dotcom look like it is going to lose a massively amount of experience based on this ill conceived plan. It's an unbelievable time to make such sweeping changes and lose so many experienced team leader to become general assistants on hours not needed.
Spend a fortune paying skilled people to do unskilled jobs. Then retrain people to do the same job.
Farcical
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 17-03-21, 10:00AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 16-03-21, 03:17PM
In my store till team support are just becoming Service Team support. No one has been offered a buyout or protection pay if they step down instead.

However suspect its in stores where team support no longer exists where buyouts will come into play.

Dodo is correct. The buyout applies in all cases where the new rate of pay is lower than the current rate of pay - that's the simple way of looking at it without bringing in the complexity of different store formats
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 17-03-21, 10:02AM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 16-03-21, 06:55PM
Has the scoting criteria for anyone who is not moving into the new job role been shared or can anyone share it.

We have a colleaugue who is has been told there is no role for them and they have to step down.

There isn't one, managers claim "there is one" to externally make it seem like a professional process, but the reality is it comes down to who are the managers best chums.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 17-03-21, 11:56AM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 16-03-21, 06:55PM
Has the scoting criteria for anyone who is not moving into the new job role been shared or can anyone share it.

We have a colleaugue who is has been told there is no role for them and they have to step down.

We have been told everyone has to be offered it, and if more people than they actually want in the role take it, they will all be safe until they naturally move on
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 17-03-21, 11:57AM
Quote from: RhysGGood on 16-03-21, 09:24PM
Do managers in your store have the option of becoming a colleague?

I asked that, but as no one is asking to take two steps down, there was no formal answer.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rumblerumble on 17-03-21, 12:10PM
Interesting as we have 2 Dot Com Team Support who have been told they have to step down.

Quote from: Cinderella on 17-03-21, 11:56AM
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 16-03-21, 06:55PM
Has the scoting criteria for anyone who is not moving into the new job role been shared or can anyone share it.

We have a colleaugue who is has been told there is no role for them and they have to step down.

We have been told everyone has to be offered it, and if more people than they actually want in the role take it, they will all be safe until they naturally move on
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightManager on 17-03-21, 06:57PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 04-03-21, 11:07AM
It would make more sense to get rid of lead team, have Team managers assume the responsibilities of lead team and shift leaders to assume responsibilities of team managers, massive cost savings on wage bill that can be reinvested in more feet on the floor.

I love that colleagues always think that by the company loosing a Team Manager/Lead Manager etc will result in more GA's  ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightManager on 17-03-21, 07:07PM
Maybe Team Managers feel the same as you do about the difference between their salary and that of the team supports...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 17-03-21, 10:56PM
Quote from: NightManager on 17-03-21, 06:57PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 04-03-21, 11:07AM
It would make more sense to get rid of lead team, have Team managers assume the responsibilities of lead team and shift leaders to assume responsibilities of team managers, massive cost savings on wage bill that can be reinvested in more feet on the floor.

I love that colleagues always think that by the company loosing a Team Manager/Lead Manager etc will result in more GA's  ;D
they would be a lot cheaper and a lot more valuable to the company. they know managers will sell their soul to them. easily brainwashed
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 18-03-21, 01:16PM
A manager had a quiet word with me, saying that if I do decide to step down I need to be careful. He specifically emphasised the point that although we are being offered a buy out, we are not being told when we would receive the money. I had assumed the first pay after the changes take effect.

Anyone have any information on this?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 18-03-21, 02:25PM
I have been told buyout is paid on 30th April pay day
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 18-03-21, 02:55PM
In my store, we lost both of our lead managers in last years' restructure.
Even the store manager agrees the store has never run better - especially when he returns from a holiday .....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Gooner83 on 18-03-21, 04:05PM
I don't want to sound like a broken record but have any team supports actually seen official figures for the payout? I'm a driver team support who's probably going to go back to driving but want to know official figures first!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 18-03-21, 05:56PM
It's easy to work out, just your skill payment x hours worked each week x 4 x 18.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: keef1894 on 18-03-21, 06:54PM
Hearing different thing so is it 18 months or 24 months protected pay if a team support steps down?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Gooner83 on 19-03-21, 12:38AM
I'm also hearing different things as mentioned above some are saying skills payment x 18 months however I'd have thought it should be done on weeks as contracts are weekly and pay is 4 weekly, if you do it as 78 weeks instead of 18 months then there's two different figures, also is it skills payment on new hours or on 36.5 as again they'd give different figures?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: undo on 19-03-21, 12:39AM
Quote from: .....1 on 15-03-21, 11:32AM
Have you been contacted by the store and told your return date is the 1st April? I didn't think Boris has announced shielding is ending yet

I'm returning on the 1st, had an email today telling me my shielding was ending, however I am extremely apprehensive to return as I honestly have no idea what my job role is even going to be like when I go back.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 19-03-21, 08:50AM
Can I ask, are you management?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 19-03-21, 02:29PM
Quote from: Gooner83 on 18-03-21, 04:05PM
I don't want to sound like a broken record but have any team supports actually seen official figures for the payout? I'm a driver team support who's probably going to go back to driving but want to know official figures first!

Yes I have, the payout for a Driving Team Support to a Shift Leader is £2733 paid on 30th April
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 19-03-21, 02:34PM
Quote from: Gooner83 on 19-03-21, 12:38AM
I'm also hearing different things as mentioned above some are saying skills payment x 18 months however I'd have thought it should be done on weeks as contracts are weekly and pay is 4 weekly, if you do it as 78 weeks instead of 18 months then there's two different figures, also is it skills payment on new hours or on 36.5 as again they'd give different figures?

It's calculated on weeks yes, it's the difference between your old hourly rate and your new hourly rate.

Example

Driving team support current rate £12.12
New shift leader rate £11.16

(Both above assuming no location pay)

Difference is 96p

0.96 x 36.5 = 35.04 per week protection

35.04 x 78 (calculated in weeks not months) = £2733

£2733.12 is the 18 month (78 weeks) buyout

The pay protection is 24 months and is worth 35.04 a week, although be aware of things which Erode this

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 19-03-21, 02:37PM
Quote from: keef1894 on 18-03-21, 06:54PM
Hearing different thing so is it 18 months or 24 months protected pay if a team support steps down?

Protected pay is 24 months, the buyout is 18 months

May I just add, unless there is just a great store manager at our store, some of the wrong information, and more so LACK of information some colleagues on here are being given by their store managers is nothing short of disgusting
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: chris9997 on 19-03-21, 03:23PM
so does anyone know what is happening to Nights team managers
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 19-03-21, 04:12PM
Nights team managers will follow the same structure as the days managers.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 19-03-21, 04:29PM
Most large stores will lose a team manager at nights. Our large extra store will have 1 night manager per night for half the year as we are losing 1 (so going down to 2 team & 1 lead).
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: 5fdp on 19-03-21, 06:42PM
Just wait till the night mgr phones in sick at 8pm and they are the only one in. How do you get breaks. And what happens if you have a home emergency through the night. Do you need to wait till 6am till another mgr comes in.  Feels like a team leader may come back on nights.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 19-03-21, 07:02PM
The company has made it clear they have no value for the workforce, they are already trying to implement bagless shopping even if customers want and will pay for it! Also plan to increase pick rate very soon! Pure greed and profit. All with less team supports. Stores leaving trays outside buildings loading in yard and numerous other H+S breaching accross the business. Trays have no way of being clean to a remotely reasonable level common sense would tell them that! One swob of a tray most stores would need to close.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dotnochance on 19-03-21, 07:08PM
Lol yeah I "think" we might have cleaned out trays last year, I mean pandemic and all
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Gooner83 on 19-03-21, 07:45PM
Quote from: Tosco19 on 19-03-21, 02:37PM
Quote from: keef1894 on 18-03-21, 06:54PM
Hearing different thing so is it 18 months or 24 months protected pay if a team support steps down?

Protected pay is 24 months, the buyout is 18 months

May I just add, unless there is just a great store manager at our store, some of the wrong information, and more so LACK of information some colleagues on here are being given by their store managers is nothing short of disgusting


Thanks Tosco19, makes me feel abit happier about my own calculations now, also my store manager is actually quite good but I personally don't think even store managers have a clue what's going on this time around, might be that you have a good group personnel manager that knows a bit more than the SMs
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Gooner83 on 19-03-21, 07:47PM
Quote from: dotnochance on 19-03-21, 07:08PM
Lol yeah I "think" we might have cleaned out trays last year, I mean pandemic and all

Clean trays? Do they exist?

We refused a tray swap out not too long ago because of the gamble of actually getting cleaner trays than the ones we send back was too risky!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tosco19 on 20-03-21, 03:01PM
Quote from: rogerthedodger on 19-03-21, 07:02PM
The company has made it clear they have no value for the workforce, they are already trying to implement bagless shopping even if customers want and will pay for it! Also plan to increase pick rate very soon! Pure greed and profit. All with less team supports. Stores leaving trays outside buildings loading in yard and numerous other H+S breaching accross the business. Trays have no way of being clean to a remotely reasonable level common sense would tell them that! One swob of a tray most stores would need to close.

100% bagless starts next month in all stores  :P
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dotnochance on 20-03-21, 05:03PM
Thank f***
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkoutboy0926 on 20-03-21, 11:21PM
Advise please:

I'm currently signed onto options and am 75% complete. I'm basically waiting for a placement so I can complete my training. Is it likely that an opportunity would pop up or should I just not bother at this point? I've spoken to a few manager at my store and have had mixed reactions. My store manager said that relocating may act in my benefit if a job were to appear, but that would only be after I've been signed off.  :question:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 21-03-21, 08:34AM
There might be a better chance of shift leader job but it all depends on your local area or how far you are willing to travel. I have seen jobs being advertised in other areas but for my area it's now a matter of waiting for people to retire. If a job comes up now you will probably be one of many that interview.
For you, a placement may not become available unless maternity cover is needed. If gaps are going to pop up in the near future a local decision may be made to create a small placement so you can be added to the pot if a job does become available
We have signed off but not appointed managers in my group. It always used to be that you had a year to find a job but options had to be done again if longer than that. If a signed off but not appointed manager carries out enough of the management tasks this time can be extended but I doubt there will deputy pay available as most stores are now too heavy and job prospects don't look good. Stores might use for holiday cover etc in the short term. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 21-03-21, 09:22AM
It's hard to say what the best thing to do is.

It feels like very little opportunities will come up for team
Manager placement when there will be so many stores that are top heavy. Just wouldn't make sense putting a placement in. Even shift leader roles may take a while to start appearing due to having so many managers still in the business. You might get lucky with some early retirements etc but you may want to consider alternative roles within Tesco or branch out to another retailer if that's what you want to do
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 21-03-21, 05:22PM
Think large store management vacancies will be few and far between for a good few years. Many stores are above their allowed levels and even if store A had a few leavers and needed replacements suspect they would move the excess management from Store B rather than create another manager.

Might be worth considering different formats, as express seem to have higher labour turnover (although there is probably a reason for that)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 21-03-21, 10:50PM
From the communication shared on our wall at work I suspect any managers who left the business would have those roles, where allowed, filled by managers from other stores to bring the overall head count down-that's how I interpret it.

The past few years have just proven how little some people care about the impact these changes have so long as "I'm alright Jack"-it's my own personal opinion but I think they should stop promoting opportunities to get on because they know full well it's going to be even harder now to 'get on'. Even if that means people who would actually make for brilliant managers missing out...

As for the Express format I would never say to anyone don't try it because everyone is different and some people adapt far better than others but I had a stint as a Shift Leader-never again.

There were too many things wrong, in how it operated, that swayed my decision to move back to large format. One of them being working 'one on one' and expected to work through your break but the other colleague being allowed there. It's all well and good being paid for them but there were some days a nine hour shift got too much.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 21-03-21, 10:57PM
Quote from: 5fdp on 19-03-21, 06:42PM
Just wait till the night mgr phones in sick at 8pm and they are the only one in. How do you get breaks. And what happens if you have a home emergency through the night. Do you need to wait till 6am till another mgr comes in.  Feels like a team leader may come back on nights.

On the role pack for Shift Leaders Small/Large/Extra stores it does mention nights and the expected responsibilities of those colleagues.

I've been told a store within our Group, once all of the changes have finally bore fruit, will have just one Night Manager.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: biggguy on 22-03-21, 02:43AM
How do they purpose to run a night shift with one manager ,what happens on his/her day off or on holidays????
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 22-03-21, 08:01AM
The shift leaders will be responsible for actually delivering the shop, so one night manager is fine. The manager will be doing management activities and not the day to day running of the shop
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rodders on 22-03-21, 11:15AM
Has any Driver Team support stepping down to a driver been given their payout figures yet?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: markwinters on 22-03-21, 11:23AM
Any manager yet had 3rd Meeting?  did you agree, and what happened if you didn't? I don't believe this is just a name change as is being told to us, seems like a back door to new structure we don't even know yet, nobody being given very much info- think I am being bullied in to accepting a new job in name only!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 22-03-21, 12:53PM
Some manager I know have only had the one meeting which was the announcement
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 22-03-21, 01:22PM
I've been speaking to my colleagues and it seems we are all being given different information! I am aware that the new STS role for TS will involve a weekly changing rota, and also 9 hour shifts with an hour and a half break. She wasn't informed of any of this, and accepted the new change thinking she would still only have to do half shifts and could still only work a certain part of the day.

I really don't think stores are doing all they can to ensure transparency with these changes!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: willie2018 on 22-03-21, 02:20PM
Anybody know if there is a cooling off period after accepting the new role ?

I feel I've been played like a right mug as the other driver team support been offered Monday to Thursday driving and when I asked I got no that wasn't possible ???

As for the extra £42 a week (being a shift leader) minus tax and NI it isn't really worth it for the extra responsibility.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: markwinters on 22-03-21, 02:23PM
reason for extra meeting is don't agree with the " minor change"  been told its only name that is changing but must be something we aren to getting told. if you just went along with it you wouldn't need any more time or meetings
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 22-03-21, 02:48PM
Quote from: willie2018 on 22-03-21, 02:20PM
Anybody know if there is a cooling off period after accepting the new role ?

I feel I've been played like a right mug as the other driver team support been offered Monday to Thursday driving and when I asked I got no that wasn't possible ???

As for the extra £42 a week (being a shift leader) minus tax and NI it isn't really worth it for the extra responsibility.

I asked that as I wanted to trial it and see how it goes, but they told me no.

Well, they actually said I could try it and step down later, but that by accepting it I would lose the buy out and protected payment options and go straight to having a pay cut.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 22-03-21, 06:36PM
Quote from: Davethebave on 22-03-21, 08:01AM
The shift leaders will be responsible for actually delivering the shop, so one night manager is fine. The manager will be doing management activities and not the day to day running of the shop

Apart from as far as I am aware no shift leaders on nights for extras, at least not at the moment
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 22-03-21, 08:24PM
Quote from: rogerthedodger on 17-03-21, 08:49AM
Home shopping Dotcom look like it is going to lose a massively amount of experience based on this ill conceived plan. It's an unbelievable time to make such sweeping changes and lose so many experienced team leader to become general assistants on hours not needed.
Spend a fortune paying skilled people to do unskilled jobs. Then retrain people to do the same job.
Farcical

Dot comedy need to be slashed to the bone. They are a loss leader who struggle to make a significant profit. The greatly increased number of pickers means it's far more difficult to have the aisles filled and presented for the real customers who actually shop instore. And those should always be the priority, not the ones so lazy they can't be bothered to shop for themselves.

Almost every day, we get customers complaining they can't get through aisles because they are clogged with dot comedy trollies. I can sympathise; working a cage takes longer now because you're having to wait on a picker digging down to the last layer of stock to get the best date. And while we're on that subject, why do pickers find it so difficult to replace trays neatly? The number of times I've had to growl at a picker because they leave trays sticking out of the racking etc... 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 22-03-21, 10:54PM
Confirmed from a local extra tonight that they won't have shift leaders on nights. Although they will keep lead managers.

Personally would rather trade lead manager on nights for a shift leader or two. Makes more sense rota wise
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 23-03-21, 12:10AM
I also believe trading 1 lead for 2 shift leaders would make more sense and probably save on payroll
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 23-03-21, 06:51AM
Quote from: bluemoonfan on 22-03-21, 11:15AM
Has any Driver Team support stepping down to a driver been given their payout figures yet?

Not even had a meeting in 3 week, just got told I had no job as a driver team support anymore and that's it, I'm on holiday this week and we are suppose to stop doing the job 31st March, think it's a joke that we have had no official letter stating when our pay ends or any kind of official notice it's all been word of mouth, gonna need at least 4/5 week notice if they want to change my hours due to nursery and partner working full time so guess I'll be doing my hours for untill someone sorts it, can't wait to walk in 1st April and have no stress let the 2 nee fulfilment support crack on with there job, one of them has turned it down already lol, there miles off been ready, Iv worked out my figure should be 12.91 - 9.98 = 2.93, 2.93 x 36.5 = 106.945 X 78 = 8341.71 is that right?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 23-03-21, 12:18PM
Quote from: Buster99 on 23-03-21, 06:51AM
Quote from: bluemoonfan on 22-03-21, 11:15AM
Has any Driver Team support stepping down to a driver been given their payout figures yet?

Not even had a meeting in 3 week, just got told I had no job as a driver team support anymore and that's it, I'm on holiday this week and we are suppose to stop doing the job 31st March, think it's a joke that we have had no official letter stating when our pay ends or any kind of official notice it's all been word of mouth, gonna need at least 4/5 week notice if they want to change my hours due to nursery and partner working full time so guess I'll be doing my hours for untill someone sorts it, can't wait to walk in 1st April and have no stress let the 2 nee fulfilment support crack on with there job, one of them has turned it down already lol, there miles off been ready, Iv worked out my figure should be 12.91 - 9.98 = 2.93, 2.93 x 36.5 = 106.945 X 78 = 8341.71 is that right?


If the options Tesco have set out for you are unacceptable then you should say this in your 1 to 1 meeting Tesco are looking to make the changes by an informal approach and individual agreement in the event they cannot achieve the changes in this way then they may have to leave the structures and roles as they are or they may have to consider other options
You should not be pressurised into agreeing any changes to your current role if if the options available are not suitable this is informal consultation at this stage should it become formal then we will be available to support and advice you during that process
In the meantime you may want to let Tesco know how you feel about the proposed changes now you are clear that Usdaw have had no part in this decision or agreed any changes Usdaw is challenging these proposed changes and have a team of reps who are team support / team managers currently meeting with Tesco to feedback our concerns and have asked Tesco to pause the changes until we can clear up the confusion and mixed messages and the changes to some of the checkout team support and dot com team support roles as well as off till activity
I want to assure you Usdaw are actively in discussions with Tesco we may not be able to change the decision to introduce a new management structure but I hope we can influence Tesco to consider other options I trust this helps take care
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 23-03-21, 12:52PM
The information I'm being given is different. I'm being pushed to give my answer, I said that I was aware USDAW were in talks and I wanted to see the outcome of those before making a decision. In my store they said the talks were complete and no more changes to the role or process were going to be made. The only way our conversations are informal are that we are not getting any minutes/notes after the meetings. The changes go live in two weeks.

Am I getting incorrect information?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 23-03-21, 02:56PM
As we are expected to sign new contracts on the 12th April. Basically changing our job description to Team manager from which ever existing department we are currently in charge of. What happens if we refuse to sign the contract? Can we refuse?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 23-03-21, 03:12PM
Is the 12th of April when the team manager structure change is happening? Or is that just for team support?

Wonder why the media isn't all over this? They were quite happy to do stories about ASDAs changes but not Tesco 🧐
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 23-03-21, 08:12PM
It is in papers already. Just google it.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 24-03-21, 02:16PM
Small Store Team Supports, has anyone has 2nd meeting. Does anyone know what 'off till activity' looks like and differs from current role.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trolleyboy96 on 24-03-21, 04:50PM
The role pack is on colleague help, it's essentially the team support job, doesn't look very different, just Tesco not wanting to pay for it anymore. Which is similar to our competitors, Morrisons it's 20p an hour more, Sainsbury's removed the payment, not sure on asda.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 25-03-21, 06:37AM
Basically it's the tablet and flexi work.
Old way is for manager to book overtime and TS dish it out. New way is for manager to book overtime and to dish out the allocated shifts to the flexi workers.
Shift leaders have duty etc. Much bigger role.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 25-03-21, 02:46PM
Quote from: newdawnrising on 23-03-21, 02:56PM
As we are expected to sign new contracts on the 12th April. Basically changing our job description to Team manager from which ever existing department we are currently in charge of. What happens if we refuse to sign the contract? Can we refuse?
It is a 'soft change' so you do not have to do anything - like sign a new contract and accept the new job description (have a good read).
Due to the amount of manager positions approxiamately being halved, it will be several years before shift leaders arrive - so the job at present will not alot different than before - most managers will gain CAs.
Only then will the job be as described.
Our SM has decided to try and get us TMs more responsibilities (Like lead team used to have) also says we will get 2 weekly 1 to 1s - cant see that lasting long ......
The alternative is to not accept the new role - you will be a 'stuck' manager - cannot see anything they can do about it, but as job is very much the same not much difference.
Personally, like many Stock Managers, I have been a 'stuck manager' for over 2 years with no proper responsibilities or accountabilities. I wont be signing up, so I will still be in the twilight zone - with no possibility of an outcome - until I leave, retire, or snuff it.
Gotta love this company ....
Treat others as you would like to be treated ......
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Paupers wage on 25-03-21, 04:58PM
A job for life, no salary reduction with little or no changes involved, would money for old rope be a fair description, is it to harsh a view on these "soft" changes, some may say, a lot of hue and cry when no loss of employment is involved, Tesco's over managed ethos continues
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Papillon on 25-03-21, 06:13PM
These changes don't feel minor to me. I'm a picker team support and feel I'm being backed into a corner. My job will not exist in a matter of weeks. The job distribution has been totally rewritten. The job title completely gone, yet NO redundancy! How is this possible!? I feel I'm being forced into a job role I would not have chosen  :( :(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 25-03-21, 06:34PM
I feel your pain, I've been a picker team support for about 5 years now, and it all feels like a bit of a waste. To me it's Tesco emphasising that we are just a set of hours to fit into the business, rather than people contributing to the store. I'm stepping down with payment protection and looking to leave completely.

You're right that these are not minor changes, we've done several years growth in a year under enormous pressure and insecurity, and Tesco have now potentially destabilised the core. Redundancy should be offered, but I suspect they've figured out a loophole to avoid payouts. I hope everything works out for you!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BarryZola on 25-03-21, 08:10PM
If you feel you're being treated unfairly or against English employment law (not being offered redundancy etc) then you're free to discuss it with the citizens advice bureau or seek professional advice. Personally, from what I've seen, I'd be refusing to change my role and would be asking them to make me redundant if the role has been removed from store. If they then dismiss you from the company I'd tell them I'll see them in court for unfair dismissal. Upto them really...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 26-03-21, 08:54AM
This above me is the best advice on here. I am currently getting advice from the CAB and its an invaluable source of information and just having someone to talk to who has your best interests at heart is a god send.

The union tries but its a bit of a lame duck now a days.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 26-03-21, 02:46PM
Are the CAB giving any useful information?

Are the changes not going live for everyone on April 11/12? I'm wondering, as some of you have made it clear you're still fact finding, and that others haven't had any follow up one to ones. In my store we've been having them weekly since the day of the first announcement. I'm being pushed for my answer, including being phoned on my day off today.

I'm still waiting for feedback on a couple of questions I've asked them, which will play a big part in my final decision!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tossgo on 26-03-21, 05:03PM
There is currently 4 team supports in our department (2 picker, 2 driver). We have all been offered the "fulfilment" role. I don't wish to take it as I'm not doing all this extra work for no extra pay.
If I was to step down as a picker would I still receive a cushion payment (the 18 month difference).
Or is it only the team supports in stores that have less fulfilment jobs that get that offer?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rodders on 26-03-21, 09:23PM
[mod]Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).[/mod]

Yes you would qualify for either Protected Pay or a Buyout.  All 4 of us at our store have turned it down.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 27-03-21, 02:10PM
Quote from: Paupers wage on 25-03-21, 04:58PM
A job for life, no salary reduction with little or no changes involved, would money for old rope be a fair description, is it to harsh a view on these "soft" changes, some may say, a lot of hue and cry when no loss of employment is involved, Tesco's over managed ethos continues
You are right. The ones being screwed this time are the team supports ; very badly - got to be a redundancy situation, whatever 'they' say.
Whatever they do to us team managers, we are still being paid ....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Belleofbelfast on 27-03-21, 03:06PM
I am a team support in a large store .. I don't want to move across to the new service team leader role... am I entitled to the buyout if I step down ?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 27-03-21, 03:09PM
No you won't be.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Belleofbelfast on 27-03-21, 03:17PM
Are you able to explain why this is the case .. thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 27-03-21, 06:13PM
Quote from: Cinderella on 26-03-21, 02:46PM
Are the CAB giving any useful information?

Are the changes not going live for everyone on April 11/12? I'm wondering, as some of you have made it clear you're still fact finding, and that others haven't had any follow up one to ones. In my store we've been having them weekly since the day of the first announcement. I'm being pushed for my answer, including being phoned on my day off today.

I'm still waiting for feedback on a couple of questions I've asked them, which will play a big part in my final decision!


My situation is different to what managers are going through but yes they have given me some good advice and information, I am willing to go as far as to leave my job and claim constructive dismissal if what they say is going to happen does happen but thats for the future.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BigBlueCo on 27-03-21, 06:59PM
Quote from: beentheredoneit on 27-03-21, 02:10PM
Quote from: Paupers wage on 25-03-21, 04:58PM
A job for life, no salary reduction with little or no changes involved, would money for old rope be a fair description, is it to harsh a view on these "soft" changes, some may say, a lot of hue and cry when no loss of employment is involved, Tesco's over managed ethos continues
You are right. The ones being screwed this time are the team supports ; very badly - got to be a redundancy situation, whatever 'they' say.
Whatever they do to us team managers, we are still being paid ....

There is NOTHING soft regarding these changes , this is a formal process being done informally

I will refuse to sign and T and Cs and urge all of my management colleagues to do the same!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 27-03-21, 09:04PM
Still no date for management change?

Team support are at least getting some money for the change. Don't agree with them having to still do some of the activities listed as "off till activity". If the change was just to move customer, get items and putbacks it wouldn't be as bad
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 28-03-21, 03:02PM
Quote from: Paupers wage on 25-03-21, 04:58PM
A job for life, no salary reduction with little or no changes involved, would money for old rope be a fair description, is it to harsh a view on these "soft" changes, some may say, a lot of hue and cry when no loss of employment is involved, Tesco's over managed ethos continues

Pretty much. Managers are being forced out of their comfort zones; no more parking your backside in one department for 10 years or more.

My heart bleeds for them. :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Biscuit tin on 28-03-21, 04:18PM
First management. Then the rest of the staff. No one will have their own department soon.
Its the Aldi way.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 28-03-21, 05:49PM
I get paid the same whatever happens. That's all I care about.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 28-03-21, 07:18PM
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 28-03-21, 04:18PM
First management. Then the rest of the staff. No one will have their own department soon.
Its the Aldi way.
So maybe now managers will send the most useless employees to do the most demanding jobs so they will taste the real work.

Oh wait it's just a dream. No department system will be used as an excuse to abuse few strongest employees by dumping all work on their shoulders.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: keef1894 on 28-03-21, 07:56PM
Quote from: Davethebave on 27-03-21, 09:04PM
Still no date for management change?

Team support are at least getting some money for the change. Don't agree with them having to still do some of the activities listed as "off till activity". If the change was just to move customer, get items and putbacks it wouldn't be as bad


As far as I'm aware team support dont get any extra money, we will be taking on duty manager amongst other things for the same pay
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 28-03-21, 08:53PM
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 28-03-21, 04:18PM
First management. Then the rest of the staff. No one will have their own department soon.
Its the Aldi way.

There's an Express store in London on Yammer showing off the new uniform (unsure if it's just a trial or what we're moving onto)-my first thought? Aldi  :D.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 28-03-21, 09:26PM
What is the new uniform, any improvement on the current rubbish.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkoutboy0926 on 28-03-21, 09:53PM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 28-03-21, 08:53PM
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 28-03-21, 04:18PM
First management. Then the rest of the staff. No one will have their own department soon.
Its the Aldi way.

There's an Express store in London on Yammer showing off the new uniform (unsure if it's just a trial or what we're moving onto)-my first thought? Aldi  :D.

How does one actually log into yammer? Can anyone direct me to an appropriate article for this?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 28-03-21, 10:15PM
Quote from: lordadmiral on 28-03-21, 07:18PM
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 28-03-21, 04:18PM
First management. Then the rest of the staff. No one will have their own department soon.
Its the Aldi way.
So maybe now managers will send the most useless employees to do the most demanding jobs so they will taste the real work.

Oh wait it's just a dream. No department system will be used as an excuse to abuse few strongest employees by dumping all work on their shoulders.

So just do the bare minimum required by contract. GA's aren't paid enough to care.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 29-03-21, 02:17AM
Quote from: Belleofbelfast on 27-03-21, 03:06PM
I am a team support in a large store .. I don't want to move across to the new service team leader role... am I entitled to the buyout if I step down ?

Yes, you are. This is precisely what the buyout is for!  It's the option I've taken.

I'm surprised people are still in talks... this goes live very soon, and my store deadline for responses has passed.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Twine on 29-03-21, 04:45AM
I haven't signed yet as my SM has told me no buyout, why the conflicting reports ?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 29-03-21, 07:32AM
There is no buy out for checkout team support if service team support is going to be in your large store. The only team support getting a buyout or protected pay are small stores who are going to off till activity and dot com who's new role is fulfillment shift leader.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Twine on 29-03-21, 09:22AM
Why is there no buyout for t/s moving to service t/s, minor changes taking on extra responsibilities and extra departments, surely I should have an option if I don't want these extra departments and responsibilities, can I change the terms of my contract willy nilly like the company do?

I've been told my last meeting is today what happens if I don't sign ? I'm feeling pressured to sign something I don't want to.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 29-03-21, 09:30AM
If you don't want the new role, they will try and persuade you to step down.

Do not agree to voluntarily giving up your current role- instead put the ball in their court.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Sallycin35 on 29-03-21, 12:03PM
I am a team support in an extra, they have told me i have no option but to take the new job. I phoned legal plus and found out more from them in a 5 minute phone call than i have in 3 meetings,this is a voluntary move don't let them push you into a job you don't want. Tesco are taking all the feedback from staff and are now in talks with the union,  there is no deadline. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 29-03-21, 03:26PM
well said sally
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 29-03-21, 04:06PM
My girlfriend works checkout team suppprt in a store that's changing to services team support,she's only had the one meeting where she was told about the change in job title. Is this right?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 29-03-21, 06:05PM
I turned down the role, was given my buy out figure, my payment date and weekly meetings to discuss it - and today I get a phone call saying it's all been a big mistake and I don't get the money and HAVE TO start the role I turned down on the 12th????
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Stubbo on 29-03-21, 06:21PM
It is right that there is no money but you do not have to accept the new role.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: letmego on 29-03-21, 08:42PM
Apologies if this has already been asked but what is the outcome for a manager not agreeing to the changes?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 29-03-21, 10:07PM
Quote from: penguin on 28-03-21, 09:26PM
What is the new uniform, any improvement on the current rubbish.

I know the current uniform isn't highly rated but the new one is far worse.

@Checkoutboy0926 if you visit Yammer online you'll need your .com log in (like you'd use for training etc) and it's relatively straight forward. If it says a message about needing a licence it's a call to Stores Helpd3sk I'm afraid.

Anyway, won't say too much more as I'm veering off topic here  :(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 29-03-21, 11:01PM
Quote from: triviup on 29-03-21, 04:06PM
My girlfriend works checkout team suppprt in a store that's changing to services team support,she's only had the one meeting where she was told about the change in job title. Is this right?

If the TS role has additional responsibilities as a result of the structure change on top of what is already defined then it is in essence a new job and your old role redundant then they can't force you to sign the new contract, if they dismiss you for refusing to sign, you would likely have a claim for unfair dismissal.

All that Tesco is doing is saving on cost, they're avoiding redundancy payouts as much as possible (natural wastage as opposed to redundancy and forcing TS to sign the contract.) If you are a member of the union, I suggest you get legal advice from them, specifically around redundancy and these "soft structure changes" they may or may not be aware of, if possible use a union solicitor, chances are the Managers are trying to stitch everyone up.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 30-03-21, 07:08PM
I've been told today that the management restructure has been put on hold for the meantime. No roles to move to generic team manager or colleagues to be split up. Anyone else had this info?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: streaker on 30-03-21, 08:21PM
Have you been officially told this, or is it just rumours???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: blooblah12 on 30-03-21, 08:40PM
Quote from: Cinderella on 29-03-21, 06:05PM
I turned down the role, was given my buy out figure, my payment date and weekly meetings to discuss it - and today I get a phone call saying it's all been a big mistake and I don't get the money and HAVE TO start the role I turned down on the 12th????

Yes, you do. Whoever you were speaking to has made a big mistake because only DotCom Team Supports are entitled to a payout. They clearly didn't get the briefing about this difference and were only corrected recently. Checkout ones aren't and there technically isn't a way for them to just "step down" without them finding the job themseves and applying normally. But to answer your question no, no pay out if you're a Checkout TS.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 31-03-21, 12:48AM
Officially told that it's on hold. Store manager has said they have been told to do nothing with the managers changes
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 31-03-21, 09:17AM
Quote from: blooblah12 on 30-03-21, 08:40PM
Quote from: Cinderella on 29-03-21, 06:05PM
I turned down the role, was given my buy out figure, my payment date and weekly meetings to discuss it - and today I get a phone call saying it's all been a big mistake and I don't get the money and HAVE TO start the role I turned down on the 12th????

Yes, you do. Whoever you were speaking to has made a big mistake because only DotCom Team Supports are entitled to a payout. They clearly didn't get the briefing about this difference and were only corrected recently. Checkout ones aren't and there technically isn't a way for them to just "step down" without them finding the job themseves and applying normally. But to answer your question no, no pay out if you're a Checkout TS.
This is not true. Checkout Team Support in small superstores are being offered buyout/protected pay to step down to a new "off till activity" general assistant role. Basically doing the same job, queue busting, overrides, opening/closing checkouts, etc etc. No wbm, coaching "supervisory" stuff but can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 31-03-21, 10:06AM
Quote from: Davethebave on 31-03-21, 12:48AM
Officially told that it's on hold. Store manager has said they have been told to do nothing with the managers changes

Wonder why that is? Perhaps there's another trick up their sleeve  ???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 31-03-21, 10:21AM
Quote from: Davethebave on 31-03-21, 12:48AM
Officially told that it's on hold. Store manager has said they have been told to do nothing with the managers changes

Is this Team Support changes on hold, or the manager changes on hold?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 31-03-21, 11:02AM
Team support changes going ahead as planned. Only management changes on hold as far as I know. Probably on hold so they can work out the kinks of making it actually work.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 31-03-21, 12:37PM
Make what work? All I have read says even with the change the only thing changing was the manager title, Line Manager becomes Team Manager oh and some get a few more people to over see. Same wages same responsibilties same everything that matters and no job losses.

So what exactly are thy suspending?

At what was supposed to be the end of the process we would have exactly the same amount of managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 01-04-21, 06:26AM
Forestgimp, nights for example are dropping down to one manager a night without any team support. This has caused alot of complaints so they need to look into that
.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 01-04-21, 08:18AM
Only if said manager decides to leave for whatever reason, otherwise its carry on as usual.

No redundancy no removal nothing, if you have 2, 3 or 4 managers on nights now you would still have had them afterwards.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 01-04-21, 09:47AM
We're a superstore and no longer having checkout team support role after the 11th April.
We eventually we go to 3 managers and 4 shift lead which could take up to 10 years due to the large number of managers we currently have. We have 4 checkout team support in our store and all have had two meetings. We have all refused the offer of off till and the payout or pay protection. We are working with the union on this, as our people manager told us we were 'expected' to do off till but the union have told us we don't have to and we can refuse the offer. Our people manager had a meeting with head office yesterday to discuss the out come and the next step and is coming in store today to inform us.

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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 01-04-21, 10:09AM
That's fine on nights but in say a twilight store full of generic team managers, you would still need managers overseeing the replenishment side of things. Based on the new structure, no one is actually accountable for that, only for the people side of things. Why would I as a generic team manager even waste my time thinking about the replenishment of the store when the new "my role" states that the day to day is the shift leaders responsibility (which can't be recruited until managers leave). This is just one example of many which would need worked out
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 01-04-21, 05:54PM
No idea mate perhaps because its your job?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 01-04-21, 09:04PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 01-04-21, 09:47AM
We're a superstore and no longer having checkout team support role after the 11th April.
We eventually we go to 3 managers and 4 shift lead which could take up to 10 years due to the large number of managers we currently have. We have 4 checkout team support in our store and all have had two meetings. We have all refused the offer of off till and the payout or pay protection. We are working with the union on this, as our people manager told us we were 'expected' to do off till but the union have told us we don't have to and we can refuse the offer. Our people manager had a meeting with head office yesterday to discuss the out come and the next step and is coming in store today to inform us.
Any updates Fringegirl?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 01-04-21, 10:47PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 01-04-21, 08:18AM
Only if said manager decides to leave for whatever reason, otherwise its carry on as usual.

No redundancy no removal nothing, if you have 2, 3 or 4 managers on nights now you would still have had them afterwards.

In our store 2 of our night managers were already planned to leave over next few months so no carry on as usual for our night team
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 02-04-21, 08:35AM
Quote from: Albert on 01-04-21, 09:04PM
Any updates Fringegirl?
Our people manager didn't have an outcome from the meeting at head office they just told them of our decision so it will be next week now. Our checkout manager has put team support on their contracted shifts as of 12th April and as off till on the tablet. I have been informed by my store manager that if nothing has been resolved by the 12th we will still be paid a skills payment and continue as team support.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ducking Hell on 02-04-21, 04:33PM
Who said it... I'm a rep and heard nothing  8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 03-04-21, 07:29PM
The whole thing is poorly executed and embarrassing for a company of This size. Understand the need to change things and edit structures but this is so badly landed. Questions need to be asked
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 04-04-21, 09:20AM
Agree....the initial plan to create mixed dept managers with equal sized teams sort of made sense until someone questioned the practicalities of it. Currently Checkout managers  in large stores can manage 80+ staff whereas a day grocery manager can have as few as 5.

However putting Sam, Jane and Bob all in charge of cashiers would just create a host of foreseeable issues. If Bob is strict around uniform standards and Jane was  more relaxed , what is the department standard and would Bob's colleague feel victimised?   If colleagues A, B and C report to 3 different managers and all on 01/04 at 8am hand a Holiday form in for same date who gets priority? 

Also on nights where there are in a ideal world only 2 or 3 managers what happens when managers take holidays?


Why doesnt the business ever ask the staff how to make cost savings? Yes I'm sure many will refuse to give ideas that could lead to them losing their roles, however I expect every single one of us can point to at least one area where costs can be cut.

P
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 04-04-21, 11:10AM
Now that they've backtracked and said the role is not optional, and no buyout etc I have no idea what else they said in the meetings is true. How much more have they got wrong, and confidently talked to me about every single week since this was announced?!

One thing they told me was that there will be even less work-life balance. I still don't have my rota for tomorrow so how much worse can this get!!

I'm so mad at Tesco. This is all so mishandled
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fscer on 04-04-21, 11:37AM
They've made it confusing on purpose so the gullible ones think they're not entitled to redundancy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 04-04-21, 01:17PM
Can someone confirm if the management changes are going ahead or have been delayed?
My union rep has not heard anything, however thats not unsual.
A few users posting "my manager said" is not what I would call solid info.
I asked my Store Manager yesterday and she said she had not had an update yet?
That I know maybe dodging the question!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 05-04-21, 02:21PM
Team Managers become non-department specific from 12th April - if they have agreed to the 'small' change - they would have been issued a letter saying this.
any not agreeing to change will be 'stuck managers' - seems to being dealt with differently in every store. The letter has no provision for refusal - my SM has added note on the bottom
Chaos.
Will carry on doing what they did before until enough leave in each store to recruit shift leaders - could be many years.
Don't know about any senior team involved in this.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 05-04-21, 03:14PM
We have 2 senior team in our store and they have been told we only need 1, so one is superfluous and by the looks of things will carry on filling shelves for huge money as usual.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Papillon on 05-04-21, 04:51PM
Advice please.... I'm  picker team support who's position will go on the 12th of April. I have no new role to move to as yet. My question is what/where do I go on the 13th? Am I expected to turn up at 6am in dotcom? I personally feel this on a personal level is shocking!  ???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 06-04-21, 02:33PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 05-04-21, 03:14PM
We have 2 senior team in our store and they have been told we only need 1, so one is superfluous and by the looks of things will carry on filling shelves for huge money as usual.
we lost our senior team last year - they had to apply for any senior team vacancies that cropped up on the group.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: JPW on 06-04-21, 03:42PM
Quote from: Papillon on 05-04-21, 04:51PM
Advice please.... I'm  picker team support who's position will go on the 12th of April. I have no new role to move to as yet. My question is what/where do I go on the 13th? Am I expected to turn up at 6am in dotcom? I personally feel this on a personal level is shocking!  ???

Had a meeting the other day, and my manager has no idea really, apart from that they're still expecting me to continue being a team support essentially. Was looking forward to going picking and having seriously less stress in my life, but fat chance of that. This whole situation is a total balls up.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: thor god of thunder on 07-04-21, 08:04AM
it appears to me the change planned is a bit cocked up. I cant imagine too many stores getting to the correct number of managers any time soon. we need to lose half the managers only 1 of which intends to retire in the next 5-10 years.without offering redundancy payments the changes may never happen.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-04-21, 11:25AM
By the time they force it to happen many years down the line, they could also very well see their redundancy payout bill being higher than if they did it now because of the additional years in service.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cinderella on 07-04-21, 01:26PM
I'm still really mad at them over the way they messed up in my store. Telling me how little work-life balance the job will have, that shifts will be even longer, and giving me the option to turn it down, only to tell me they made a mistake and that I have no choice but to take it. Not even an apology for messing up and causing so much stress! I don't know how much of what they said in my weekly meetings was even true. What else could they have got wrong?!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Sunbeam on 07-04-21, 04:39PM
Any update fringegirl?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 07-04-21, 06:20PM
Not a thing! It's been 10 days since I refused the process. Our store manager doesn't  know any more than us! We both have emailed our people partner and still waiting on a reply?! If nothing happens by 12th our store manager has said we will continue as Team Support and will be paid our skills payment
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Sunbeam on 08-04-21, 09:46AM
Thanks for your reply Fringegirl, let us know what happens,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 08-04-21, 08:43PM
a  nearby extra sm has not disclosed to his team managers what the store structure should be - they are all convinced he will just try and performance manage them out of the business until he has the right numbers .... must make for a great working environment ....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 08-04-21, 08:49PM
Anyone been issued the new metal badges? They are a perfect example of what is wrong with Tesco management.

First, they do nothing except repeat the phrase, "Here to Help", which is already on staff's personal badges. Second, and more importantly under the current circumstances, they are very small. So small, in fact, that any customer who can read them is either already breaking social distancing, or has the eyesight of  Royal Marine sniper. It's difficult enough to get the idiots to respect the 2 metre distance rule, without giving them another reason to get too close.

A manager, or more likely a group of managers, was paid to design these completely useless items. Much more was spent on having them manufactured and rolled out to various stores.

Tesco has far too many managers engaged is pointless or even counterproductive, "work" likes the new badges, Tesco Radio etc. It's time for Tesco to bite the bullet,

"Sorry, but your services, such as they are, will no longer be required. Here's you're redundancy payment. Good bye, good luck, good riddance".

But of course, that would mean the board spending money on something that might effect their own bonuses. So that's not going to happen. 8-)

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 08-04-21, 11:51PM
Quote from: beentheredoneit on 08-04-21, 08:43PM
a  nearby extra sm has not disclosed to his team managers what the store structure should be - they are all convinced he will just try and performance manage them out of the business until he has the right numbers .... must make for a great working environment ....

The store manager would be a fool to performance manage anyone out of the business as the longer he can keep his managers the more he will have. As they leave through performance manage, movement or otherwise they won't be replaced
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 08-04-21, 11:54PM
Managers don't design or create the badges   :D  some design team in head office would have created them

Badges should be gotten rid of completely. There is no need for any customer to ever know a staff members name.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 09-04-21, 07:47AM
Senior managers at head office would have come up with the idea of new badges in the first place. And sign off on the design(which shows exactly how much experience they have of real work in a store 8-)). And those so-called managers need to lose their non-jobs.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 09-04-21, 02:09PM
[admin]Topic: Management restructure 2021, not new badges.[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 09-04-21, 05:49PM
SMs will be under pressure to achieve big 6 targets - affects their bonus. So will do whatever they feel necessary to reduce wages bill.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fscer on 09-04-21, 05:52PM
Lets just the SM has ordered alot of Lets talk pads.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beahead on 09-04-21, 06:22PM
Seems  to.me there is a whole team at head office , dedicated  to picking shop staff off, we are not even numbers , just erasable  dots on a graph , how about a team dedicated  to saving the shop staff, we are just considered plebs , not even worthy of a decent canteen , how they must laugh at us , while dining in there restaurant .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 09-04-21, 08:59PM
Store managers will be tasked with getting as close to the new structure as they can, via natural wastage or SYP. Some managers need managed out, however there are lots of good ones who will suffer and lose out because they aren't part of "the club" and actually do what's right for colleagues
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 09-04-21, 09:25PM
And the decent ones, who will suffer, must be wondering why there are Team Manager vacancies online being advertised when they are being told "there's the door, use it!"  ???

Convenient, isn't it, that they've announced some changes on Our Te5c0 today which I can only imagine warrants taking the axe at those of us on the shop floor so they can feather their nests!  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 10-04-21, 07:53PM
Team Support - small stores
Is new role starting tomorrow or are we in limbo? No communication from SM or PM as to whether we are now Off Till (9.30ph) or Team Support (11.16ph) this week, although scheduled on flexy shifts rather than contracted shifts as per brief.
Be good to know, communication is disgusting and SM is now on holiday for a week.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 10-04-21, 11:54PM
I'd say from Monday morning you will be off till activity
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 11-04-21, 09:46AM
Our People partner finally emailed back yesterday to say she's heard no news and when she does she will let me know. But she's on holiday for the next week, so I think it's going to be no time soon. So as of tomorrow I am still classed as Checkout Team Support and will continue on the same job code and pay.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 11-04-21, 12:25PM
It's a good job this company does not hold parties in a brewery  :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 11-04-21, 01:24PM
My role as a driver team support ended on the 31st of March, I had 1 meeting when it all started and that's it nothing since except sorting some driving hours out which has been a pain as they're interested that my partner works full time and have 2 kids to work around, I'm still doing my team leader hours but generally just pottering around until there is a van to do either at night or morning, can't wait till this whole process is over, I feel the loyalty I had for Tesco and the whole store isn't what it used to be.  The place has definitely gone down hill but I guess I'm locked in for 18 months now, I haven't been told the figure I will be getting yet either, probably won't even be worth it after the tax and my student loan come off it.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 11-04-21, 06:50PM
Quote from: Nomad on 11-04-21, 12:25PM
It's a good job this company does not hold parties in a brewery  :D

Or in a, ahem, "house of negotiable affection" ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 11-04-21, 07:27PM
Quote from: beentheredoneit on 09-04-21, 05:49PM
SMs will be under pressure to achieve big 6 targets - affects their bonus. So will do whatever they feel necessary to reduce wages bill.

I believe (and someone else can clarify if correct) that manager wages dont effect wage bill light on big 6
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 11-04-21, 09:48PM
Managers pay is a different budget but will still effect the stores big 6 light. Any managers not in current store will have the cost transferred from home store to host store at the end of a period
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 12-04-21, 04:27PM
I don't know what managers are whining about. They're not losing their jobs, or taking a cut in wages. Suck it up, buttercups. >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 13-04-21, 12:59PM
What team managers are other stores going to have. Wondering how they vary. We are a large superstore. We are having four shift leaders. And four team managers that are to be stock and admin inc cash and security. Ambient inc grocery, wh, h&b, frozen, bws, gm, f&f. And a Fresh manager.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-04-21, 03:17PM
What are the others going to do, the ones they dont want but are leaving in place?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 13-04-21, 06:16PM
They will be transferred over to generic team manager and given a split of the headcount until such times as they decide to leave.

Will managers have a choice as to what area they are going to be over now? Will they have to be applied for in each store?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 13-04-21, 07:56PM
Being removed from a role and left in limbo is I believe grounds for constructive dismissal, even while continuing to work for company under protest.

Legal advise should be sought.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 13-04-21, 11:45PM
If each store had the correct amount of managers before the structure change, then they just carryon as before until one or more leave.
It's at that point the departments start to be split between the remaining managers until the store reaches the required amount.
If a store had manager vacancies before the structure change they it's the same as above when one or more managers leave.

No manager is left in limbo, there's a very specific structure for each store to follow depending on where each store is currently compared to where it needs to be.
All of this should have been explained in the meetings the managers had.
Detailing how the managers responsibilities would be spilt between them as the store had managers leave.

Let's be honest here, again managers have come out of this structure change with little to no impact to them in the immediate future compared to the Team Support.
And again Managers who actually paid attention to what the company has been doing in other formats have seen this coming for a few years, and have had plenty of time to prepare for it.

I know that in my store, unless the company offer redundancy then the likely hood of the store ever actually fully implementing the new structure in the next 10 years is very minimal.
And most likely will still not have achieved it when the next manager restructure comes along.
And I know that's the case for a few other stores on my group as well.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 18-04-21, 07:06PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 07-04-21, 06:20PM
Not a thing! It's been 10 days since I refused the process. Our store manager doesn't  know any more than us! We both have emailed our people partner and still waiting on a reply?! If nothing happens by 12th our store manager has said we will continue as Team Support and will be paid our skills payment
Have you heard anything at all this week Fringegirl? Other T/S who agreed to change to off till have signed new contract, the rest haven't been told a thing.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 18-04-21, 08:51PM
Quote from: Albert on 18-04-21, 07:06PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 07-04-21, 06:20PM
Not a thing! It's been 10 days since I refused the process. Our store manager doesn't  know any more than us! We both have emailed our people partner and still waiting on a reply?! If nothing happens by 12th our store manager has said we will continue as Team Support and will be paid our skills payment
Have you heard anything at all this week Fringegirl? Other T/S who agreed to change to off till have signed new contract, the rest haven't been told a thing.

Still not heard a thing! One colleague agreed to the changed and has taken the lump sum and has signed the contract to be off till. Meanwhile we're still being paid Team Support pay. Our People partner and store manager hasn't heard anything either!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 18-04-21, 09:57PM
Haven't heard what's happening in our store either other than we're not getting any Shift Leaders whatsoever  ???.

The only real change I've noticed is that the TMs have gotten even lazier... guess they missed the part of their Role Pack which states they shouldn't be hiding in offices unless it's to complete things like paperwork/confidential meetings  :D.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 24-04-21, 06:21PM
So looks like union has lead us on and are doing nothing to help Team Support in small stores. Being offered hours on checkouts rather than off til but thats the only difference. No redundancy, no negotiation, take it or leave. Membership cancelled......
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: candysue on 24-04-21, 10:47PM
It is so very wrong how they have done this to the team supports and I get the feeling that by getting away with this they will try something similar with wage clerks once all the stores are on work and pay. Regarding the TM's they have even more excuse to be in the office now if their store is already on work and pay busy putting holidays etc into the system for their team. I'm a wage clerk and have to watch my job bit by bit being given to the managers- totally deflating to us when over the years most of us have passionately put our very best into the job
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 26-04-21, 05:08PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 18-04-21, 08:51PM
Quote from: Albert on 18-04-21, 07:06PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 07-04-21, 06:20PM
Not a thing! It's been 10 days since I refused the process. Our store manager doesn't  know any more than us! We both have emailed our people partner and still waiting on a reply?! If nothing happens by 12th our store manager has said we will continue as Team Support and will be paid our skills payment
Have you heard anything at all this week Fringegirl? Other T/S who agreed to change to off till have signed new contract, the rest haven't been told a thing.
Still not heard a thing! One colleague agreed to the changed and has taken the lump sum and has signed the contract to be off till. Meanwhile we're still being paid Team Support pay. Our People partner and store manager hasn't heard anything either!

I've heard today that store managers have received communication saying they need to have meetings with us one to one this week. And try to 'convince' us to sign for Off till activity the deadline is 17th of May
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: adamlad on 26-04-21, 06:12PM
that's exact what I have been told. Apparently however they will enforce the change eventually just that they want to give us another chance to agree. As TEsco have classified this as a minor change they don't actually need consent to make this change according to them. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 04-05-21, 03:40PM
All gone very quiet again, any updates on Team Support roles?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: streaker on 04-05-21, 07:05PM
Any update on managers, not prepared to accept the change??
Waiting in limbo??, thought whole process was over by 31 March, now told 16 may.
Why change of date.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 05-05-21, 09:17AM
I thought it was only happening in stores that had head count low enough to move to new structure.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: streaker on 05-05-21, 12:55PM
I have been told I have to except the role, yes our store will see a huge reduction of managers, which will take years.
It's the fact that I have to accept the change bugs me.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 05-05-21, 04:51PM
do not Have to accept. its a soft change.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Goldielocks on 07-05-21, 12:04PM
Have they said what happens if you don't sign
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 08-05-21, 08:31AM
My guess is you will stay as you are but in time and as things change with people going and new jobs being advertised you will not be in a position to go for them, you will be stuck in a rut. Jobs being advertised may be a while off but that means you are stuck in limbo for a long time. As future structure changes come in for colleagues you may be left out of this process as you will be asking colleagues to accept changes in roles but have refused to do so yourself. You also have a load of people coming up behind you coming off options that would jump at the chance to take on the role you have refused.
On the other side, it is soft structure so can't be forced. You don't have to sign.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 08-05-21, 08:01PM
When I first started decades ago in a brand new store everyone that was not a manager was new to the company, inside 6 months there was at least 5 promoted to management through options.

Now I look and people are doing options for years on end with no end and no sign off in sight.

Its brain washing.....Come to the open night we think you have potential. Oh yea start doing your pre options checklist (a euphemism for do what we say when we say or we wont even send you for sign on)

If you get to sign on and that not guaranteed you get sent to another store to slave away expected to do 12 hour days travel 1.5 hours there and the same home run a department and stuff all for no extra money.

Then sign off and low and behold.....there are no jobs to apply for.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Goldielocks on 09-05-21, 06:46AM
It's not the role I object to as I think it would work it's the fact they think it's a minor change and therefore requires no additional pay and the amount of minor changes made to rolls that they think is ok to keep doing. Eg GM manager 25k clothing manager 25k ok to combine rolls for 25k saving 25k you would keep the best if you pay the best. Lead the same combine two rolls currently pay the same as one how can they say both changes are minor.
Store managers don't even think changes are small and roll will now bigger than old deputy roll (if you been around that long) and they got paid over 50k most of them. Also if they had ask the opinion of anyone instores they would tell which rolls could of been combined. Instead we got someone who has probably never done any of these jobs in reality any does not know how difficult they are.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatboy on 09-05-21, 07:14AM
Think you may find the word you are looking for is 'role'  ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 09-05-21, 08:05AM
First change I ever saw with the company when when the manager role was called "controller". After that it was called "section manager" then I think "line manager" and now to "team manager". In the past the managers have had to interview and apply for jobs, top score gives first pick of jobs.
This is a soft structure. Minor changes now but huge changes that were withdrawn. The biggest change is that you become just a "team manager" with an accountable area. That area can change. Saying that they are not likely to swap the checkout and grocery managers about as the roles, skills and experience is so very different.
Colleagues are now all "customer assistants" and not tied to any given area. The reality is that they do have given areas in which to work but are moved from time to time to help with an extra big delivery or support if there is a sick call. The colleagues have had to accept these changes, managers have had to talk positive about it and accept that is the way things are going. Mangers tell colleagues "it's the needs of the business" and "the heap map shows we are over hours".
The roles will always evolve, for both managers and colleagues. Some of it is fair and some not. We have a team manager with 45 colleagues and a team manager with 9. Both full time, both on same pay (if scored the same during review) but both accepted and would not change. They were going to split things up so that everybody had same head count but that was revoked very quickly. Grocery is a big area to run but a lower head count than checkouts for example and giving the grocery manager self service to run would have only caused problems for the checkout manger even though they would have a smaller head count.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-05-21, 08:25AM
You forgot to mention the reduction in number of lead and team manager positions with the introduction of Shift Leader positions in the superstore formats.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 09-05-21, 09:34AM
Biggest change is having working supervisors.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: SimonF12003 on 10-05-21, 07:43PM
At my store at one point they used to swap the managers round every few years, giving them new departments, rememner when I was on Grocery and we got the ex-PID manager
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 11-05-21, 03:27AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 09-05-21, 08:25AM
You forgot to mention the reduction in number of lead and team manager positions with the introduction of Shift Leader positions in the superstore formats.

There is no loss of jobs. The shift leader jobs do not come into stores until the manager head count has reduced but it is another change to job roles and titles to add to the list, but as it is so far off for some stores I did not mention it as there could be another change to structure before it ever lands.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Eskimo 2 on 11-05-21, 06:34PM
Quote from: SimonF12003 on 10-05-21, 07:43PM
At my store at one point they used to swap the managers round every few years, giving them new departments, rememner when I was on Grocery and we got the ex-PID manager
Haha  they've done that in my shop. Totally ruined the store. It bemuses me as to why a store manager would do that to himself when the store has got a major refit coming up
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 11-05-21, 06:53PM
Not always down to the store manager, sometimes the order to move people around comes from higher up, would take a brave SM to refuse to carry out the orders of an SD or higher.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 13-05-21, 02:23AM
Had meeting with SM this week. HO script said 99% of affected colleagues have agreed to the changes (seems high to me).
Had to give reasons why I was not accepting change (will be passed up).
Was told the company can contractually change whether I agreed or not - this I find questionable because:
1/ if they could, why even bother consulting
2/ other companies (JS?) are doing similar changes and paying refundancy.
3/ USDAW are not commital
If there is anyone here who is fluent on employment law, please post.
looks like a visit to an employment solicitor is next step ....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Goldielocks on 13-05-21, 05:34AM
Being told the same , most people have agreed I have heard only 2 people on my group not accepting the roll. Most people are in fear of there jobs and do not wish to rock the boat and the vindictive nature that is within Tesco now. On speaking to a few store managers they don't believe the changes are minor either however won't speak up due to what will happen to them going forward. Also the people that are rolling out the changes have probably never even done the job.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 13-05-21, 07:56AM
So i assume that when stock control, bakery, PFS, team support etc went through the change you stood behind them and supported them in the fight to stay in role as it it and were not a manager delivering the consultations.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: dirty-donkey on 13-05-21, 11:13AM
Redshoes - Well said Sir! 
Never ceases to amaze who comes out of the woodwork when it is them, and only them affected.
Never offer anything constructive at any other time - Just don't care.
I don't often agree with your posts, Redshoes, but at least you have the decency to contribute, offer your knowledge and viewpoint.
Respect!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 13-05-21, 12:30PM
My opinion of the Team Manager change, is that it will actually make the role easier, more consistent but more importantly fairer for Team Managers.

However what this structure change has highlighted is the divide amongst Team Managers.
After speaking to Colleagues in previous and local stores there is a running theme that is playing out in my store.
Those managers who have a high headcount (eg Checkouts etc) gladly excepted the change and were happy enough to take on the new role(a little disappointed that no redundancy was offered).
Those managers with a small headcount (eg Produce etc) are not happy in the slightest, were the most vocal against it and in my experience are the ones refusing to accept the new role!

Then the update came down that the colleague headcount wouldnt be split until further down the line, now rumour has it this came about due to the Fresh Teams at HO kicking  off about it and started to produce doomsday figures about what would happen to Fresh waste, sales etc over the summer if there Team managers suddenly had to take there fair share of each store colleagues headcount!

Now I'm taking that rumour with a pinch of salt, however with Produce being seen in the recent past as being the Hero department and was never to be touched and the current high focus on Fresh as a whole it would not surprise me if any of it was true.

What I do know and have highlighted in the past is the huge difference in workload from one department Team Manager to the next.
In my opinion a Produce Team manager on £30k+ managing 5 colleagues is hardly right when you have a Checkout Team manager on £23k managing 60+ colleagues across checkouts, CSD, PFS, trollies and cash office.
Now don't get me wrong I'm not against performance related pay, and before anyone says anything I'm Not a Checkout manager, but something has to change when the company has a very high turnover of Checkout Team managers compared to other Team manager roles.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 13-05-21, 01:19PM
Any Team Manager on 30k plus would be on the cusp of going to Express as a cat 3 SM on 36k a year, don't know any TMs on more than 30k a year except night managers and maybe Extra TMs in London.

23k a year for checkout TMs is almost the same as Shift Leader wages (when factoring in Sunday and bank holiday premiums) and would be very junior.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 13-05-21, 04:38PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 13-05-21, 07:56AM
So i assume that when stock control, bakery, PFS, team support etc went through the change you stood behind them and supported them in the fight to stay in role as it it and were not a manager delivering the consultations.
dunno if comment aimed at me - I am still a stock manager - been stuck for over 2 years and not just going to accept new role and forget the 2 years i have gone through. Have personally been supporting others.
By the way, I am in superstore on £32k - length of service helps (and at one time express manager)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: wacko2021 on 13-05-21, 04:52PM
JS done the restructure in 2018, my friend works there.

They only now have SM then CTMs running stores I believe at different grades
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 13-05-21, 06:09PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 13-05-21, 01:19PM
Any Team Manager on 30k plus would be on the cusp of going to Express as a cat 3 SM on 36k a year, don't know any TMs on more than 30k a year except night managers and maybe Extra TMs in London.

23k a year for checkout TMs is almost the same as Shift Leader wages (when factoring in Sunday and bank holiday premiums) and would be very junior.

Express SM is equivalent of Lead Team in Large Format stores, so Team Managers will not be moving into that role regardless of how much they earn unless they go through the internal recruitment process and pass it.

Just because you do not know or are aware of any Day Team managers on £30K+ per year doesn't mean there aren't any.
I'm personally aware of at least 20 Team Managers who are on over £30k or will be if this years and for some next years pay reviews go there way.
Any Team Managers who moved from the old Section Manager role too Line Manager then the current Team Manager role and received Green/Met every year will either be hitting that amount already or will do this year or next.
You'll also need to remember that Compliance and Stock control managers were starting on around £23-24k back in 2004/5.
Ands that's before you add in the extra grand that was given on top of that amount for being appointed in an Extra store initially over Superstores, before the company dropped it.
Every year Line managers received a pay rise up to about 2015 when there was a freeze for a couple of years for the higher paid ones, and they were 2/3 or even 4% some years.
Then you will need to factor in a lot of Line managers negotiated a pay rise when they moved stores too over the early years of the Line Manager structure.

I'll never forget a Lead manager we had on a placement a few years ago, who after signing off wages on a Friday went home crying and gave up doing it once they realised what every Team manager was on in my store compared to them, and compared to the starting rate for Lead Team in my store.

Yes £23k is just over starting rate for Team Managers and will only be paid to a junior manager as you've put it, however that still doesn't take away from the point I was making about the disparity in workload for different Team managers especially when certain Team Manager roles not only have a high turnover but are hard to recruit for.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Aunt sally on 13-05-21, 08:07PM
I think everyone here is forgetting that yes its a job name change that there is no changes to their pay, spare a thought for the real losers here the t/l's who in my humble opinion are the back bone of the affected departments   
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 13-05-21, 11:58PM
I was talking to a colleague who has applied for a CTM at Sainsbury's and the salary starts at £23,000.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Panda29 on 15-05-21, 02:18PM
Any structure changes that affects managers or team support  will go to formal meetings over the next couple weeks. To avoid redundancy they offer you alternate stores and roles even if not suitable. If you refuse this they will take u through a process and manage you out the business.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 15-05-21, 03:32PM
Quote from: wacko2021 on 13-05-21, 04:52PM
JS done the restructure in 2018, my friend works there.

They only now have SM then CTMs running stores I believe at different grades

That's right, they're graded from 1S to 6S, 6S would be equivalent to a 36k a year TM in an Extra, 1S would be a shift leader in a cat 1/2 Express.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: DairyLee on 15-05-21, 09:59PM
JS bandings to compare against:
2S - 9.20 per hour
3S 23 - 27k - Tesco shift leader equivilant, usually in convenience stores or smaller superstores
4S 25 - 38k - Line managers in superstores or Old Cat1/2 store manager in convienence
5S 38 - 50k - Lead team in superstores or Cat 3+ SM
6S 50 - 100k - Superstore (350k+) SM or Convienence area managers
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 16-05-21, 12:41AM
Non-CTM GA's are on Sainsbury's floor wages of £9.30 an hour soon to be £9.50 an hour, entry level CTMs start on 22-23k a year.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 16-05-21, 02:11PM
The changes have beeen pointless in my store. Team managers still department based and have all admitted they don't care about other areas. Team support had no training for their extra tasks and don't know if they're comin or going with what they're expected to do
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BarryZola on 16-05-21, 03:39PM
All in all a pretty pointless exercise again no doubt dreamed up by someone being paid a lot of money. A structure change which is not even a structure change. Brilliant work.

Almost as good as other recent classic structure changes such as...

Stock control: Let's pay hundreds of thousands or maybe even into 7 figures to make some of the most experienced and clued up employees in the company redundant. Do it on the pretence that lots of routines will be cut so the company won't need the staff any more. What happens? A couple of years later the amount of routines has increased and I see more stock control staff around. However, they're inexperienced, part-time and many don't really care if things get counted properly or not.

Bakery: Again, let's p**s hundred's of thousands of pounds up the wall to get rid of experienced bakers on the pretence of reducing the range and getting more stuff in pre-made etc. What happens? Yes, you've guessed it. A year on and I see no reduction in range and they've recruited more bakers to replace the ones who they got rid of.

I bet the absolute geniuses who dream these schemes up are still in a job and laughing all the way to the bank. This is Tesco.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Omg1 on 16-05-21, 04:57PM
Had a few meetings now and pointless .  My manger is not interested and tells me he has to do them as the area manager is putting pressure on him . Work in Staffordshire area and don't want to move stores rather have redundancy but I'm told not an option and I'll be forced to move. The area manager ask questions when she in in but doesn't want to listen to your replies very dismissive . It's ok for these people as they have detached themselves from people and have no empathy or conscious about the decisions as it's not them effected . Nothing changes as far as I can see and jobs will be found for all the yes men and women that the area manager likes .
I hope I get redundancy as this company has gone from bad to worse with the leadership above managers now so distanced from reality. Come back and run a shop and she if you can do it all you area managers !
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 16-05-21, 07:22PM
If the distance of the store they want you to move to is further away, it can be deemed not a suitable alternative, they can't force you to move, there has to be a formal consultation process to which you can refuse the move, as long as it's further and along with any other ways you can see the change being seen as unreasonable, they can't dismiss you for refusal as it will likely be considered unfair and the payout would be more than the redundancy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 16-05-21, 08:40PM
Quote from: triviup on 16-05-21, 02:11PM
The changes have beeen pointless in my store. Team managers still department based and have all admitted they don't care about other areas. Team support had no training for their extra tasks and don't know if they're comin or going with what they're expected to do

Haven't really had the chance to speak to the Team Supports in my store but in terms of Team Managers? I'd have enough money to make all of us redundant when I hear: "not my department!"  :D

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: alewis on 16-05-21, 10:17PM
Quote from: Goldielocks on 07-05-21, 12:04PM
Have they said what happens if you don't sign
Someone in my store hasn't signed and he has had to step down from dotcom team support.
Meanwhile 3 people who have no idea about dot com have "taken over".
It's a complete shambles
The guy that has stepped down was there when our dotcom department opened and he's being treated like a piece of s***. The reason he didn't want to sign was that he didn't want to change his hours, yet he was the only mug who wanted to do the 4am starts.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 16-05-21, 10:30PM
Quote from: BarryZola on 16-05-21, 03:39PM
All in all a pretty pointless exercise again no doubt dreamed up by someone being paid a lot of money. A structure change which is not even a structure change. Brilliant work.

Almost as good as other recent classic structure changes such as...

Stock control: Let's pay hundreds of thousands or maybe even into 7 figures to make some of the most experienced and clued up employees in the company redundant. Do it on the pretence that lots of routines will be cut so the company won't need the staff any more. What happens? A couple of years later the amount of routines has increased and I see more stock control staff around. However, they're inexperienced, part-time and many don't really care if things get counted properly or not.

Bakery: Again, let's p**s hundred's of thousands of pounds up the wall to get rid of experienced bakers on the pretence of reducing the range and getting more stuff in pre-made etc. What happens? Yes, you've guessed it. A year on and I see no reduction in range and they've recruited more bakers to replace the ones who they got rid of.

I bet the absolute geniuses who dream these schemes up are still in a job and laughing all the way to the bank. This is Tesco.

Well, yes. Quite. The people who make 6 figures and above salaries wouldn't keep raking in the huge wages and bonuses if they turned round and said,

"Look, everything is working about as well as we can hope for. At the moment, it ain't broke so there's no point trying to fix it".

To justify their cushy billets, they have to keep, "improving" things. So they will come up with ideas that, at best, won't make the business any more efficient and at worst actually damages productivity. And the best part(from their perspective)is they will then be paid to fix the problems they caused in the first place! >:(

Anyone who believes crime doesn't pay hasn't worked at Tesco Head Office. [admin]Edited[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 16-05-21, 10:41PM
Yet thousands of them were made redundant when cheshunt closed.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 17-05-21, 06:05AM
Obviously not enough of them were made redundant. Because head office is still coming up with brilliant ideas like the new paper bags for Produce, which tear as soon as you put more than a couple of carrots in them. 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Angel1234 on 17-05-21, 10:00PM
Any other stores been told to lose hours on stock control? We all had a meeting and was basically told half of us need to move depts.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 17-05-21, 10:47PM
Haven't heard anything (as yet) in our store, but that doesn't surprise me.

Fined massively for Out of Code stock so let's take the axe to the very teams who date scan etc.

Someone's got to pay for the latest appointment and it sure won't be those at the top  ???.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NorthernJ on 18-05-21, 01:28AM
Quote from: Angel1234 on 17-05-21, 10:00PM
Any other stores been told to lose hours on stock control? We all had a meeting and was basically told half of us need to move depts.

We keep getting told there is no OT for stock control but no-ones mentioned about losing hours. I'm curious how many hours you've got allocated to Stock Control and how many people that is spread over to be required for people to move department.

For people 8/14 day date scanning and next day potential reductions we've got 90 hours spread over 5 people, and a further 83 hours spread over 3 other people for counts/gap scans/transfers and other routines not related to date scanning and reductions.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Angel1234 on 18-05-21, 02:20PM
Grocery s/c theres 74 hrs between 3 of us. Were over by 26 hrs.  Non food theres 50 hours between 2 people and over by 22 hours.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: kaled78 on 27-05-21, 02:13PM
All our managers are in an ideal schedules re launch meeting,not sure if it effects just them or ga's as well,it was an absolute shambles when it was rolled out a few years ago
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Safeway on 01-06-21, 12:10PM
Sorry if this is the wrong feed! But does anyone know what's happening to the store managers that are in metros, now that they're getting turned into expresses? Will they restructure to express format? And get rid of the one team manager they have? And make the work level 3 store manager a site manager??
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 01-06-21, 12:19PM
A couple of years ago it was decided that roles in lower turnover metros would be moved to WL2 anyway so those jobs should be replaced by WL2 when the existing managers move on.

The busier metros, I presume would remain WL3 as the turnover requires it. In these stores I expect just to rebrand to express or move to large but keep the WL3 manager in either case.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ibanker2 on 04-06-21, 08:31AM
I am surprised that this topic in part looks at the detail of the potential changes and not the big picture. Metro stores were the test bed for reducing the number of Team Managers and introduction of shift leaders. They also were first to lose in store PM's and I think the move to filling stores on early and late with loss of nightshift.
Now we have Superstores that fill fresh from 5am and fill grocery till midnight they now have shift leaders and less Team Managers and less Lead Managers. So the question is have Superstores become Metros - I think the answer is yes. So some Metros moving to Superstores is no change. Metros going to Express format is completely different (ran much more like a discounter) if it is successful then small Superstores (you could call them Metros) could go same way.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-06-21, 11:52AM
For Metros to be Metros and not superstores in the first place, the sales of the store had to be taken into account, the demotion/promotion of Metro stores to Express or Superstore without any other changes will result in the highest taking convenience stores in the group or the lowest taking superstores. Though as before they had a somewhat light version of superstore structure, it can't be replicated in Superstore because of increased sales and typically larger shop floor space.

There are other factors as well such as Metros typically being in city centres, but it is rightly viewed as to not take as much money as superstore and being less busy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 17-06-21, 05:10PM
I've been told today that there will be communication sent to the store managers regarding team support in superstores on Monday
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Albert on 20-06-21, 02:28PM
Has anyone heard that Team Managers can step down to shift leader role on protected pay for 2 years or 18 month buyout?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 20-06-21, 03:34PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 17-06-21, 05:10PM
I've been told today that there will be communication sent to the store managers regarding team support in superstores on Monday

Wasn't it only a few months ago superstore team support were restructured?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 20-06-21, 08:45PM
Quote from: Albert on 20-06-21, 02:28PM
Has anyone heard that Team Managers can step down to shift leader role on protected pay for 2 years or 18 month buyout?

You could have done as part of the restructure, however it was a one off lump sum of around £5k.
I very much doubt that offer is still in the table now the restructure consultation period have ended.

Quote from: trivi on 20-06-21, 03:34PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 17-06-21, 05:10PM
I've been told today that there will be communication sent to the store managers regarding team support in superstores on Monday

Wasn't it only a few months ago superstore team support were restructured?

Yes it was, so I'd be very surprised if there's anything tomorrow about them.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 20-06-21, 10:35PM
In terms of Service Team Support part of me wonders if any communication that comes down is likely to be tied in with the pay increase from September?

Looking at the grade table there's no mention of Team Support whatsoever on there.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the future, in our store. We have the right number of Managers in our store, so no Shift Leaders, but over the next few months they are building an Aldi/Lidl less than a mile away.

Can't help but feel, once that is in business, they'll make some changes.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 21-06-21, 10:16AM
Any news of anything happening today?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 21-06-21, 05:01PM
I have a meeting tomorrow at 10am so I'll update then
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: trivi on 21-06-21, 05:32PM
Are you from a large superstore that's kept team support or a small superstore that removed them?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 30-06-21, 03:36PM
So I suppose nothing happened in regards to the team support last week if everyone stopped replying?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 30-06-21, 07:30PM
Finally had my meeting today! I've been told I have to accept the change as it's in my contract. I now have 4 weeks to decide if I want to take the pay out or the pay protection. Also I have the choice if I want to do off till or be a cashier on my contracted shifts and I don't have to change my availability.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 30-06-21, 08:53PM
Thank you. I had no choice but to be off till activity 😡😡 and the job is identical!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 01-07-21, 09:54AM
If you haven't signed you should contest that, as all three of us in my store refused the change and now we have the choice. I've been told they can't force you to sign off till and you have to be given the choice.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 01-07-21, 12:10PM
No choice was given. Over hours as a store. Take it or leave it
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: scanpickthrow on 14-07-21, 12:13AM
New structure is being pushed onto us now. Pressure is immense - all managers graded against proposed roles. Impossible to deliver expectations. Limited staff, limited overtime. We're at breaking point - won't be anyone left to run the store

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: adamski26 on 14-07-21, 01:19AM
DRAMA QUEEN . . It is what it is . . It's going to happen to us sooner rather than later. It's no good not signing, not agreeing, involving the union or Prolonging meetings. Shift leaders are the new Duty mgrs and the new norm. Life goes on
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 14-07-21, 10:27AM
All managers signed new contracts in our store and the only change is title. We have too many managers so no shift leads so managers are still doing duty shifts, but as I say no change. It will make a difference if we go down a manager as less to cover the duty shifts but if we go down two managers we get the shift leads. Once at that stage the workload gets less, not more. The shifts get better too as not opening and closing the store.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 14-07-21, 02:06PM
I'm guessing John Lewis must have been reading VLH-they are to axe up to 1,000 Managerial roles to 'simplify'. Sounds familiar  8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 14-07-21, 10:47PM
simplify??? why do these companys lie? it's cost cutting to make more profit for the men up top!!!!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: expressman77 on 15-07-21, 07:10PM
Any sustainable company regularly cut cost to increase profits and to stay in business.
A company that does not soon ends up like BHS or Debenhams.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 15-07-21, 07:53PM
Which is true.

However it seems to be that, lately, they cut costs on the shopfloor then announce someone new is joining the company at HO-whose yearly salary would pay to have feet on the floor...

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 16-07-21, 02:00AM
Quote from: expressman77 on 15-07-21, 07:10PM
Any sustainable company regularly cut cost to increase profits and to stay in business.
A company that does not soon ends up like BHS or Debenhams.
why lie and say "simplify" instead of saying "increase profits to pay the fat cats more"
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 16-07-21, 02:14AM
Quote from: expressman77 on 15-07-21, 07:10PM
Any sustainable company regularly cut cost to increase profits and to stay in business.
A company that does not soon ends up like BHS or Debenhams.
BHS?? HE RAN IT INTO THE GROUND FOR HIS OWN GREED!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: alf on 16-07-21, 03:40AM
SOMEONE!!! NEEDS??? TOOOO?? LAYYY!! OFFFFF?? THE!!!! DRINK???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 16-07-21, 11:34PM
sorry dad  ;) :-*
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 17-07-21, 12:11AM
The way they come out with some of this carp is laughable. It's so transparent it's about maximising profits for the head honchos.

Wonder how long it'll be before Te5co copy John Lewis and branch out into the rental market.

I can see it now... 'What do you mean you're late? You live right above us'   ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: alf on 17-07-21, 01:36AM
Funnily enough with the structure of John Lewis the employees ( or partners if we want to be posh ), are the ones who stand to benefit from any improvement on JL's profitability.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: sunshineman on 17-07-21, 02:07PM
lets be honest what we need is less anagers and more shop floor staff and more on tills. The amount of time i hear customers complain because there are not enough tills on.

I work in an extra, and we have too many managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 17-07-21, 05:09PM
the reason they have so many managers is they are easier for the company to use and abuse. being on salary and having responsibilies makes it easier for the company to take the p**s. can't understand for the life of me why anybody would want to become a manager with this company. brainwashed????
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 17-07-21, 08:38PM
I love how so many colleagues say there is too many managers yet recently we had an issue in our store on night shift with no managers in. The shop was a bin in the morning with the exception of a few areas. The staff do the same thing every night yet most seem to not be able to function without being babysat.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 17-07-21, 09:21PM
Same could be said for management though, they do the same every day, but when you have an issue with a wage slip or try to book a holiday etc it's "how do I do this again?" and lots of f ups everywhere 🤔....... Yet they are paid more.. You'd think they'd know how to do the job too 😂.

Also colleagues may do the same work on the shop floor in a sense, but they are supposed to be "managed" so that days can take the glory of it all / can show off more
.. Treat staff better as management and staff will work better, pay staff a better wage and they'll work better.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: 1man2jobs on 18-07-21, 12:31AM
Surely if no managers were in store and only CAs then fire safety compliance and other essential h and s requirements were not being met and staff should not have been on site under those circumstances?

Anyway less divide and conquer and more empathy needed between roles I say
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 18-07-21, 11:02AM
Anyway less divide and conquer and more empathy needed between roles I say. i agree. if only certain managers held their side of the bargain
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 21-07-21, 10:40PM
Are there any Team Managers who refused the changes, now being told they have to accept them
or else?
would be interested to know.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 22-07-21, 10:08PM
Quote from: lackofinterest on 18-07-21, 11:02AM
Anyway less divide and conquer and more empathy needed between roles I say. i agree. if only certain managers held their side of the bargain

Yeah, that's not going to work. Frankly, I often have difficulty in remembering the people I interact with are, well, real. And not NPC's in a game I'm playing. >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Sunbeam on 24-07-21, 03:39PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 01-07-21, 09:54AM
If you haven't signed you should contest that, as all three of us in my store refused the change and now we have the choice. I've been told they can't force you to sign off till and you have to be given the choice.

If you refused the change what choice were you given?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: GasMonkey on 25-07-21, 08:26PM
With Amazon going down the route of staff less stores Tosco will be watching closely how that works out. They will then attempt to implement it into there larger stores staff levels will be brought down to a minimum. I Read an article recently about our previous head monkey (DL) and he is quoted as saying 24 hour shopping is a thing of the past he also said (Dot.Com) is the next big thing.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: beentheredoneit on 31-07-21, 02:09PM
Quote from: stockstaffreduction on 21-07-21, 10:40PM
Are there any Team Managers who refused the changes, now being told they have to accept them
or else?
would be interested to know.
That's what I've been told now
if that was the case, why not say beforehand
if I was staying I would challenge but as I'm going, good luck to them
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 04-08-21, 10:35PM
Quote from: Sunbeam on 24-07-21, 03:39PM
Quote from: Fringegirl on 01-07-21, 09:54AM
If you haven't signed you should contest that, as all three of us in my store refused the change and now we have the choice. I've been told they can't force you to sign off till and you have to be given the choice.

If you refused the change what choice were you given?

I was given the choice of being Off Till, a cashier or if there was an available vacancy on the shopfloor. I'd just like to say that I've still not had a meeting since being given the choice after refusing to sign. And I am still continuing to be paid team support wage.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 05-08-21, 09:48AM
They are used to sheep and do not know what to do when you stand up for yourself, they will be waiting for head office to tell them what to do.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 05-08-21, 10:52PM
Couldn't agree more forrest.

Was told about some SL vacancies in a store within a few miles from where I live (Extra) and I'm wondering how they'll get around someone finishing at midnight at one day only to be expected back five hours later.

Nice to know policies are followed and the health and safety of customers and colleagues is of high priority  :thumbdown:.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 06-08-21, 01:55PM
Surely it will be the same as a twilight store now, ie if your closing at midnight, you aren't on early the next day.

Shift leaders are a good idea, get rid of some lazy managers. But the shift leader role deserves more £££
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Night Owl on 06-08-21, 05:02PM
Had a meeting today with SM and People Partner, basically told to accept a step down to shift leader with a small lump sum, if l don't l was told l would be placed on SYP,  though l have always had a met review, then by Xmas l would be out of a job with no lump sum. I was told they want my decision by week 26, which is the last chance team managers have to step down to shift leader with a lump sum payment.
I was also told SD wants all his stores on new structure by half year, and he is now applying pressure to store managers and people partners to make sure it happens.
Any other Team managers been given this ultimatum?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-08-21, 05:06PM
I would get this in writing, threats of SYP essentially shows that legally they don't have a leg to stand on, oh how I would love to be the judge that forces Tesco into liquidation.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 06-08-21, 05:22PM
Bully boy tactics, hypocrisy is all the place runs on.Its a pathetic joke.Ask them in your next meeting is this legal and show me evidence it is.They've basically threatened you in this meeting.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 06-08-21, 06:07PM
Quote from: Night Owl on 06-08-21, 05:02PM
Had a meeting today with SM and People Partner, basically told to accept a step down to shift leader with a small lump sum, if l don't l was told l would be placed on SYP,  though l have always had a met review, then by Xmas l would be out of a job with no lump sum. I was told they want my decision by week 26, which is the last chance team managers have to step down to shift leader with a lump sum payment.
I was also told SD wants all his stores on new structure by half year, and he is now applying pressure to store managers and people partners to make sure it happens.
Any other Team managers been given this ultimatum?



Why are you being asked to step down?
Are you telling us the whole story?
I would seriously suggest you get a rep in the next meeting. I dont mean your Usdaw rep instore, who in my opinion will be of very little use, but the regional rep, or a rep from another trade union.
Or you raise a grievance for bullying.
I must add I get frustrated when people use this forum to seek advice, but then do nothing about it.
There are people out there who can help you. You just need to find them.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Night Owl on 06-08-21, 07:12PM
I was told the meeting was informal, no notes etc. They suggested l wasn't up to managing 30 people under the new structure, l currently manage 12, but have previously managed 25, with no performance issues on my part. Store manager said if he gets a missed review from the SD, all Team Managers would be on SYP, to prove he is fulfilling his role, the suggestion was l would then be managed out of the store by the year end, with no option of a lump sum.
I may not currently tick all the boxes, on my role pack, but then none of the Team or 2 Lead managers do in our store, we never discuss EVM or waste as we are the top Store  in the group on those 2 measures.
Store managers current steer is for all managers to focus on the SD's red lights.
I was also told our store is one of only a few in our group still way over structure, and the SD wants the situation sorted ASAP.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockstaffreduction on 06-08-21, 08:55PM
Nightowl.

What you are saying is a common theme with regards to Store Manager behaviour.
Your SD firstly is not God or someone important in the world. Before you all disagree with me, they are people with a large reponsibility, and thats the same in a lot of organisations.

This nonsense about every manager being a miss or red performer because the store manager is (a miss) is total rubbish. If you are performing in your job role and keeping your evidence of this, then you have a good case to argue your e.o.y grade. I can assure you this tactic was tried in a large extra store £1.7m a week store a short time ago and a lot of managers challenge their grades.
The issue was the store manager and the Team Managers and Leads suffered because the SD had issues with the store manager. The S.M. no longer works for Tesco.

You must not have anymore informal chats and always take someone in with you. Please take this advice onboard.
I am not defending anyones performance issues, however if something needs to be done, it needs to be done as per process and be fair

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-08-21, 08:25AM
Quote from: Night Owl on 06-08-21, 05:02PM
Had a meeting today with SM and People Partner, basically told to accept a step down to shift leader with a small lump sum, if l don't l was told l would be placed on SYP,  though l have always had a met review, then by Xmas l would be out of a job with no lump sum. I was told they want my decision by week 26, which is the last chance team managers have to step down to shift leader with a lump sum payment.
I was also told SD wants all his stores on new structure by half year, and he is now applying pressure to store managers and people partners to make sure it happens.
Any other Team managers been given this ultimatum?

I would not go into any more meetings without someone there to represent you from now on them, Threatening you like that is not on.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 07-08-21, 01:16PM
It's funny when managers turn on each other. ;D

Reminds me of the old copper joke about criminals murdering each other. They refer to it as NHI: No Humans Involved. >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 07-08-21, 04:53PM
Once again, reading the above my jaw is on the floor regarding the store manager and the (useless) people partner putting all the team managers on SYP, and the general lack of care for the person that's being told they will be out of a job by the end of the year.

How on earth is that supporting the individual?

I can't believe he/she has any right to do it?

Once again the fear culture in T0sc0 is horrendous and is making some people fear for their jobs when actually that is far from the case. However that's what they want people  to believe.

Keep us updated and good luck.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 07-08-21, 08:23PM
Hi I received this confirmation from the union and my people partner today.
The issue of off till activity was raised with the business and Tesco agreed that those who did not want to take on the off till activity could step down to a checkout assistant role on the same hours, or another role in store if one was available.

I would not therefore expect the store to be issuing notice to any colleagues to enforce the off till activity if they are willing to agree to step down into a different role.

This option was included in the comms that went to stores to support conversations on each of the occasions that individual consultations were extended. I'm pretty sure it was also communicated before the extensions.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 08-08-21, 09:54PM
How would that work, out of interest, if (say) you were contracted to 25 hours of Team Support/Off Till and a vacancy came up on Provisions but it was 15 hours?

Given they keep harping on about stores being over contracted I can't imagine there would be many roles elsewhere, if at all?

I just hope that everyone who is affected (yet again) is able to get the answers to their questions instead of 'bully boy' tactics.

No doubt some of these people who are carrying out said threats will be the next ones to be told 'bye bye'-they'll soon realise they have no friends then.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 09-08-21, 09:58AM
Well in that case your job becomes a 15 hour a week job should you apply and take it.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-08-21, 10:34AM
A loss of 1/3 of contracted hours usually is something that should be fought against rather than blindly accepted, it's just a further diminishment of workers rights.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 09-08-21, 12:08PM
I can't wait to see this company fail by cutting staff levels who listens to stupid computer programmes when serving customers or should I say not serving customers in Tesco's case no wonder customers are shopping elsewhere if they continue in this vein they will end up like Woolworths.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-08-21, 12:27PM
As long as undue downwards pressures continues to be applied by the shareholders (Of which to different degrees, most of us here probably are) then cutting will always be that short term sugar crash to appease them. Spending money is anathema in this sort of corporate paradigm.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 09-08-21, 03:30PM
I had no choice. I had to stay on as off till activity. I took the buyout. Told if I leave the company I have to repay the remaining difference! No offer of a checkout job. Told I was trained as off till. No hours on shop floor. Even though they are recruiting out side for twighlight 😡
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 09-08-21, 05:10PM
Seems really bad the way this has been handled, very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 09-08-21, 06:49PM
As per every restructure Tesco have done in the last 20 years, credit where its due there consistent if nothing else.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Fringegirl on 09-08-21, 09:20PM
Quote from: YourMum69 on 09-08-21, 03:30PM
I had no choice. I had to stay on as off till activity. I took the buyout. Told if I leave the company I have to repay the remaining difference! No offer of a checkout job. Told I was trained as off till. No hours on shop floor. Even though they are recruiting out side for twighlight 😡

Were you ever given a copy of the briefing? It stated all Team Support had a choice of the 3 options. I'd put a grievance in!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 09-08-21, 10:16PM
Never given anything. Never signed anything. I'm really tempted however what would actually be done?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: HJBL on 17-08-21, 07:46PM
I'm a colleague that's not accepted the new terms of contract , had a meeting today as today was final date before being forced over to new contract. Been sent to colleague relations department apparently to get a final decision/next move anyone else out there in the same position thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 18-08-21, 07:11AM
There is no new contract. You don't sign a thing. Your job title changes to customer assistant on you wage slip. They've treated us like s***.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: GasMonkey on 25-08-21, 10:49PM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 05-08-21, 10:52PM
Couldn't agree more forrest.

Was told about some SL vacancies in a store within a few miles from where I live (Extra) and I'm wondering how they'll get around someone finishing at midnight at one day only to be expected back five hours later.

Nice to know policies are followed and the health and safety of customers and colleagues is of high priority  :thumbdown:.

If anyone was stupid enough to do that type of shift pattern they need some kind of medical help not only is it illegal it's also extremely bad for your health
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 26-08-21, 10:48AM
Completely agree Gasmonkey.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 27-08-21, 02:28PM
Tesco have got away with it for years in express with the infamous late to early an 11pm or midnight finish then back for half five in the morning, obviously this does not happen every day but for shift leaders it happens more than you might think, and yes it's totally wrong but what can you do if people put up with such treatment.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: adamski26 on 29-08-21, 12:55AM
It's called sticking up for yourself, & you just tell the store manger that you're not prepared too do & more importantly you won't. But then, as I did just drop an email to your area manager - sit back & watch the fire works. Tesco policy is you need 11 hours rest period between shifts. Any decent area manager or people partner WILL ensure that this happens
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 29-08-21, 10:05AM
In my experience its not the store manager doing any of this but the line managers who want an easy life, however the stand up for yourself bit is spot on.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 29-08-21, 07:08PM
Quote from: adamski26 on 29-08-21, 12:55AM
It's called sticking up for yourself, & you just tell the store manger that you're not prepared too do & more importantly you won't. But then, as I did just drop an email to your area manager - sit back & watch the fire works. Tesco policy is you need 11 hours rest period between shifts. Any decent area manager or people partner WILL ensure that this happens

I did stick up for myself and refused to do late to earlies, sadly some of those I worked with just went along with it and never said anything, not much you can do when people wont help themselves.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Biscuit tin on 29-08-21, 07:39PM
Ultimately most people agree to it to get an early finish the next day. Otherwise they'd be stuck on nothing but back to back late nights to fit in the 11 hour gap between shifts.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 31-08-21, 06:46PM
I did a stint as a Shift Leader in Express for a short while and did make the mistake (one off!) of finishing late and starting early again the next morning.

I appreciate it happens a lot more than some of us perhaps realise and needless to say I didn't do it again before I left.

Mind you, the then store manager was the kind who'd been heavily overmanned when they were in and as soon as they finished for the day it was 'one on one' and they wondered why some of us got easily annoyed...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: thor god of thunder on 07-09-21, 09:54AM
we have heard the new superstore structure is being implimented by Christmas this year. will be interesting since we have quite a few managers and as far as I am aware none are leaving.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 07-09-21, 11:26AM
Jeez! Merry Christmas people. Surely they can't do this? Consultation periods etc?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: wacko2021 on 07-09-21, 04:50PM
What structure is that Thor?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 08-09-21, 02:38PM
Dotcom for everyone ;D?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Localgirl69 on 08-09-21, 05:43PM
Quote from: Mcmac on 07-03-21, 04:26PM
Currently a shift leader in express and on options to be a manager in superstore or extra. Is there really any point now? Managers who leave are going to be replaced with shift leaders so there'll be no more managerial vacancies for the foreseeable?

I've been waiting to participate in the BS that is development across formats. SL to TM always been one sided. Large stores push colleagues to develop from CA to TM whilst we in express are expected to jump into a completely new operation from Express SL to to TM placements. My placement SM was signed off today after jumping from CA to TM in large. I've given up now with stores and applied for the HGV apprenticeship
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-09-21, 06:10PM
SL-TM is an an insignificant jump highlighted by the salary difference between the 2 (entry level TMs, not experienced ones).

Most SLs that get promoted get a placement as an Express SM, it's a zig-zag type of jump, SL-TM is about as insignificant a jump as TM-Express SM and Express SM-Lead Manager.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 21-09-21, 08:37AM
Hi. We are very close the the right amount of managers to now move the the structure. Can anyone say how many TMs they have, what their job title is and what departments fall under that title. I am intrigued in the variation between stores. Is there a document that says what departments go together or is it up to the SM
Thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 21-09-21, 11:30AM
Each store will be different depending on size, however every store manager was given documentation to explain each step of the way.
This document explains who has which department depending on how many managers the store is currently over by, and will change as a manager leaves, until the store hits the target managers.
Ours went through it with us at the time for our store and explained that the expectation was that every couple of years the remaining managers would rotate round the store.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: 5fdp on 22-09-21, 06:42PM
Please make sure all extra mgrs are wearing their extra thick pants a week on Monday.
Thats when annocements get made for structure and title changes in extras. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 22-09-21, 07:14PM
All Managers in Extras were done in March with Managers in Superstores and Team Support.
Now if you genuinely know something spill the beans otherwise there's no need for unwanted speculation and scaremongering.
And no I'm not a manager in a Extra Store.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: 5fdp on 22-09-21, 08:46PM
Shift leaders and buy out. I will say no more.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ForCryingOutLoud on 22-09-21, 10:20PM
Please could someone explain the Shift Leader role. Thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 23-09-21, 08:55AM
Sounds like the next cull is on it's way.

Hopefully they look at the overpaid store managers as well.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 23-09-21, 09:22AM
Quote from: ForCryingOutLoud on 22-09-21, 10:20PM
Please could someone explain the Shift Leader role. Thanks

Shift leaders run the shop floor and hold the duty phone.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 23-09-21, 09:23AM
Miss out the floor and you have it.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 23-09-21, 06:41PM
@forrestgimp  :D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Beanny on 23-09-21, 07:39PM
If there is a buy out and structure change implemented in a few weeks time and the company wants us to accept a new title and a reduced salary scale then all the good will that comes from covering the store over the Xmas period and new year period will disappear I am sure because the store managers take the p**s in normal times!  >:D >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 23-09-21, 08:04PM
 :)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: wacko2021 on 23-09-21, 08:08PM
 :D What about express shift leaders? Good luck. Turnover will be even worse than it is now.... Retail is a dead market and if they offer redundancy a lot will take given the current climate and all the jobs out there
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 23-09-21, 08:57PM
Cant see anything being done with express shift leaders as someone will still need to run early and late duty shifts everyday.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 24-09-21, 08:36AM
Quote from: lordadmiral on 08-09-21, 02:38PM
Dotcom for everyone ;D?

Dot Comedy should have been shut down years ago. Factor in the cost required to actually deliver the goods and they barely make a profit. They're practically a Loss Leader.  All they do is make the stores look untidy and get in the way of customers and other workers.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Totot on 24-09-21, 09:14AM
Extra cost, that the key for this.
For example, product A that cost £ 1 to get in to the shop, with 5% expected gross profit margin. apart of cost of operation, there will be cost of product let say 1%, not real number but just number for illustration.

Then this home delivery that supposed to get a new customer, that supposed to be customer from other supermarket but majority our own customer that end up not going to physical shop.

Meanwhile extra cost of product after all the cost up there minus selling risk ( risk of item become unselable after selling due to refund etc) consist of sunk cost and planning in the beginning, any infrastructure, cost of leasing, cost of product after the product enter the shelf, cost of product to get delivered to customer home, cost of risk after selling, and cost of capital compare to just selling from the shelf, hence some regular customer just move to buying online.

Then combine the increase of online selling and from the shop selling, online will increase, shop selling will decrease.

If a product A total cost when it touch shelf, plus all the cost above for online increasing between 2% to 10% that make margin profit significantly slower, and reduce the selling from  shop that cause by availability,taken by online selling, what kind of business management is this?

But again, the same with our gov, these people act like a bunch of kids who never do their homework and learn properly, so when the exam come, they cheat, look at other kids exam, even if the kid whom they copied the exam,  just make things up, but for the as long as the paper not empty and to justified them of their fat paycheck, who cares if the company financial going down and need to cut pay and benefit from staff who work on the floor.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 24-09-21, 09:46AM
I agree with the above, however where will all this end.

Surely there is a point where you can't cut anymore in store without it looking more of a bomb site than it does already.

The people who are running the show should wise up and get real.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 24-09-21, 10:52AM
I can't imagine they'll be happy enough until staffing levels are akin to the German discounters... but that won't be enough for them. At this rate customers will be unloading wagons, taking in deliveries and opening cases themselves  ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 24-09-21, 12:45PM
They'll never become like the discounters whilst they allow their top heavy senior managers to remain, and continue their "do as I say" style management!
Aldi have their store manager work alongside their colleagues...not leaning on a fixture with their phone stuck to their ear or chatting with other senior team! Never seen an Aldi manager walking about with a phone...they have a headset which they communicate with! You never see any staff just standing chatting on the shop floor either!

A few years back after my shift, I was doing my weekly shop in Aldi, still in my Tesco uniform. They had a big wig visit of three suits, all dressed identical. Whilst in the packing area, they approached and asked me why I had chosen to shop with Aldi rather than in my own Tesco store?
I told them, I couldn't afford to shop in Tesco, as even with the staff discount, they were too expensive!

Now you have Tesco advertise Aldi price match, on random products. Really...then why is your 200g Italian wild rocket salad £1...and Aldi 47p?? Eh?? Eh?? That's over a 100% mark up on the comparison price of just one product!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: alf on 24-09-21, 01:23PM
I'd argue the last thing you want Store managers or senior team doing is packing out.

Being paid several times the GA rate to do GA tasks is inefficient as hell. And while I get the idea of "we're in it together", watching a store manager pack out crisps making 4 (or more depending on seniority, store type etc) times the money I get, doesn't really make me feel "valued".

I think it boils down to if senior team spend significant time doing non senior team tasks, you don't need senior team, or at least not as many. It'd seem Tesco with the recent structure changes agrees with this, but for the moment at least Tesco seem unprepared to spend the money to make the cuts i.e. the soft structure change nonsense.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 24-09-21, 01:34PM
I have to say again I agree with the post's above.

All the store managers do is call each other to gossip, about what I don't know as they hardly say hello to the "normal" colleagues.

My store manager spends most of his day on the phone in the car park after he rocks up at about half nine and then disappears at about half four! On Saturday's he might rock up at 7am to do a 121 with the poor night manager who's been in since 20.00 the night before and the night manager leaves at around 10. Then he'll knock off at about three.

How this sets an example or is on any level with any other food retail outlet is beyond me.

If they have say 4 superstores within 15 miles of each other. Boot out 3 store managers and let 1 worry about all 4.

They have no relevance left, unless like the above poster said about Aldi. Muck in roll your sleeves up and get involved with your team and show some backbone.

If they hear their boss is coming in it's panic stations for the whole store. However if they know what time the boss is coming.. all of a sudden the chequebook is out and overtime is spent like there's no tomorrow.

It really does beggar belief!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newguy20 on 24-09-21, 03:15PM
I don't mind the SM getting their hands dirty and helping filling.... when it is stupidly busy on a Saturday afternoon and everyone is under pressure or it's Christmas or whatever... but if you had a SM who spends hours every day filling and facing up then there's obviously something not right.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 24-09-21, 04:37PM
Our store manager turns up at 9.30 and goes home at 3pm every day
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 24-09-21, 05:02PM
How do they get away with it @forrestgimp?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 24-09-21, 05:26PM
We've got one like that ....... love how with all this restructuring zero is actually getting any better.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 24-09-21, 08:35PM
No idea but thats what he does.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 24-09-21, 09:26PM
Nothing changes does it, had a store manager like that about fifteen years ago, his reply when someone suggested he might try being in store after 4pm sometimes was "look mate my badge says store manager, for the avoidance of doubt that means I do what I please and you do not question me" and what became of said SM you might well ask, he got promoted and now is really high up in the company and working at head office.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 24-09-21, 11:58PM
Hmm. The trend I seen, unless you're related in some way to some director, have a degree or put 20 years into the company, you don't go past SM.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 25-09-21, 07:56AM
Many people fail options as they think it's more money to do the same job. Pitching in to help when it's extra busy, when the delivery is late, when the delivery is much bigger than expected is fine. Day by day filling by managers is not only not allowing managers to do the job they are paid for but it's taking away jobs from those who may want or need them. Would you rather have a fellow colleague working next to you or a manager, I think everyone would vote for another colleague.
Some stores are very top heavy with managers and as such the job they have to do is smaller than it should be. The soft structure came about but it was a bit of a non-event. All it has really done is give managers a new title and has not replaced positions as people leave. Some roles are enormous and others are tiny, this should have been sorted as part of the structure change but it was talked of but never happened. The extra near me has three GM managers but only one checkout manager. It has a PFS and a services manager, on part time hours. In some of the superstores it moved the Team Support to Off Till roles at the same time as giving the checkout manager more areas to manage. The idea is that the managers move round and change roles and I get the idea behind this but I can't see it working in practice.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 25-09-21, 09:14AM
And there's the crux to it all  8-)

The management structure is too top heavy! Paying senior managers a high salary to do what? They spend so much time in meetings, that happen to always take place in the Costa?

There's the morning handover meeting (30 mins) approx, followed by the 10am MOC meeting (30 mins ) approx, then managers break (30 mins) approx..followed by the 11.45 am rumble meeting (15 mins ) approx...followed by managers 1pm lunch break (60 mins ) approx...so up to now, from a usual 8 am start, in the first 6 hours, almost half of it has been used in meetings, to discuss what??? The rest of the time they're yapping on their phones!

The point being exactly that...for every senior manager salary, where they don't work stock, would pay for 4 GA's on the shop floor...and don't get me started on the useless poster partner!! Like a spoilt child, sitting with their abundance of coloured pens, highlighters and stencils, for hours on end, drawing pictures to go on the walls, supposedly to uplift morale! Then throws a wobbler, should anyone actually ask for help!!

It was always the system in the past, that managers would be moved around departments every 18-24 months, that's how they learnt the knowledge to progress, and enable them to run a store, as they knew how each department was run! It was a Tesco core value ( anyone remember them?) "sharing the knowledge"

Now it's mainly only the GA's who know how to work their department using a PDA, and that's usually by trial and error, as staff training is non existent!

The checkout manager's role is the most overloaded and unfair, hence why other department managers fight tooth and nail not to cover it! At one time the manager had 3-4 full time runners, or more depending on size of store, and was only responsible for checkouts and cash office. They are first in line for abuse from the customers if the queues are long, first in line for the GSM rant, if they go into red fir IDQ, and first in line for arguments from other section managers about poaching their staff for red calls!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 25-09-21, 10:26AM
The management structure I agree is way too top heavy. They do spend most of their time in meetings gossiping and talking rubbish and then come out with a great idea to implement to little or no staff on the shopfloor, the idea is usually pie in the sky anyway.

Meetings again are an absolute waste of time. Team5 should be a five minute update then move on. The waste and shrink meetings are also a farce. Plus another meeting at 16.00 after "rumble" which goes on waaay to long because guess what... everyone's on a checkout! So the early managers should of gone home which goes on till about 17.00.

The best bit though is doing a walk round with the poor night managers who stay on an extra hour to mooch round the shop picking up on things they've missed, then after walking round for an hour or so the senior team show up to walk around the shop AGAIN, then the store manager comes in to walk around AGAIN! What a total waste of time. Then the other managers turn up to get walked around too.

Thank god the PMs have left. The most useless waste of money and space. Who would guard the pot of highlighters and frowned like their pet had died if asked to do a duty shift.

I think lots of managers have left StessedCo because it's not worth it anymore and they end up despising what they first of all enjoyed which was the customer interaction and now it's all meetings and a beating stick, I can get why they have left.

Then you have the old managers that have been in the same role for decades on more than 30k who do absolutely nothing and get away with it plus have NO clue about the new systems etc.

The company is on a downward trend and I see no way back unless drastic action from the top is taken.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 25-09-21, 06:34PM
The moment you start seeing monkeys in suits on the shop floor is the moment you know the business is an inefficient operation.

The reason the discounters are thriving is because they know the only strategy that needs to be implemented in supermarket retail is the BOS strategy (Beans on Shelf) and they know full well you don't need the cast of Fraggle Rock acting as managers to implement it. The big 4 has lost its way and the cattle that shop there are finally seeing that not only is the grass greener on the other side, it's significantly cheaper to.

The moment you start paying some unqualified monkeys in suits to grunt and throw feces at each other in the Costa cafe and engage in vitriol to the hard working bottom line is the moment that the realisation becomes apparent that in all likelihood, someone in the business strategy meeting has done flumped up.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 25-09-21, 09:02PM
Could not agree more, you never go into Aldi or Lidl and encounter a load of managers, one or two at most, Tesco is way to top heavy in terms of instore structure, and I am not one of the hate all the managers brigade you get on here but the stories about managers having four meetings a day and sitting in costa are dead right, in the last superstore I worked in I would say until we got a new S.M just before lockdown you would be lucky to find a manager not in a meeting or a conference call, or in costa with other managers having an "informal meeting" as they called it, came as a shock to them when the new S.M arrived as he was one of those who had worked his way up from GA over the years and had no time for sitting around and having endless meetings, yes at times managers will need to attend them nobody has an issue with that, but four times a day, is a farce to be honest.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ginyv on 25-09-21, 11:34PM
Wow! As a manager in the process of moving to this new structure without team leaders I would like to point out that if you honestly think our job is easy then please take it! We are meant to have 5 .... 5!! Managers in a twilight shop thats about have a 10 van dot com operation... we are all on our knees under so much pressure that we just can't cope with that we are all thinking of ether leaving or stepping down. We all care about our teams so please don't brush all managers with the same brush
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 25-09-21, 11:40PM
We're not saying all managers jobs are easy, but some are definitely easier than others. As we can see from the comments in this thread, there's numerous cases of senior managers constantly in Costa for informal meetings.

What needs to happen really is to get rid of the lead team layer of management and have the Store Manager actually managing the TMs.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 26-09-21, 07:50AM
Quote from: Ginyv on 25-09-21, 11:34PM
Wow! As a manager in the process of moving to this new structure without team leaders I would like to point out that if you honestly think our job is easy then please take it! We are meant to have 5 .... 5!! Managers in a twilight shop thats about have a 10 van dot com operation... we are all on our knees under so much pressure that we just can't cope with that we are all thinking of ether leaving or stepping down. We all care about our teams so please don't brush all managers with the same brush

My whole point from my post above is that it isn't easy, it isn't easy due to the amount of time spent in meetings that have zero affect on the day to day job of looking after a team. The team are diluted elsewhere on to a till or picking Dotcom anyway so the slack has to be picked up by myself. There isn't anyone able to get the jobs done on the 1 hour walk round plus 3 subsequent ones afterwards.

The amount of time discussing endlessly SBA figures and each dept for 30+ minutes in an MOC meeting on top of Team5 which is over 30 minutes as well (twice a day) is overkill.

When you try and say hey isn't this a bit ridiculous you're being "negative". If only they can see the light of what's actually happening, but they won't listen to feedback because it's the way it's being done here.

The pressure is the worst I've ever seen in 20 years at the company. It's got to the point where it's almost funny that it has become like this. Maybe it's just the way my store is run by some deluded cult leader aka the store manager and his henchmen who are also brainwashed by this thinking.

The disgusted look you get from the senior team when you want to go home after 12 hours with maybe a cuppa and a bit of toast for a break. It's not sustainable.

If you're REALLY lucky you get 2 days off together. I have Thurs off and Sunday, Weds is normally a late duty and Fri is normally an early duty so cheers for that! Its not a day off it's recovery. I more or less dread it now.

The discounters may have it right. I don't know. However I can't see this lasting in this current form for more than 2/3 years. Something has to change.

Oh and welcome to the forum LOL I'm new here and I love listening to the REAL world of StessCo and what others are going through.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Littlehelpsvery on 26-09-21, 10:26AM
If store manager isn't working correct amount of hours protector line it
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 26-09-21, 11:10AM
That gets sent straight back to him, I have done it before and watched him run round the store trying to find out who sent in the report.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 26-09-21, 12:13PM
@forrestgimp exactly. We know how this machine works. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-09-21, 04:41PM
Retail is in the grand scheme of things  one above claiming the dole. I know one SM who was forced to resign for fraud and embezzlement who shortly after was hired at Booker as an area manager. Retail management is a who's who of Milquetoast humans, because let's face it, if you're a Retail manager life can't have gone the way you wanted it.

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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ForCryingOutLoud on 28-09-21, 04:31PM
Hi, do/ did the SM's have any discretion in how certain departments were amalgamated, for example, GM & clothing is now managed by 1 TM, in another store this is GM with Grocery, CSD now with PFS etc. Was this prescribed to the SM or their decision which ones to merge? I know this is based on overall headcount but wondered how the decision was reached regarding which ones to merge.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ladyAmarch on 28-09-21, 06:10PM
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can help me.  A number of us former team supports have left the company after being given the buy out, when we were giving it I knew I'd be leaving before the end of the year and asked if I had to take it or not, I didn't want too.  I was told to make a choice and took it, I asked how to pay it back at the time and they said not to worry it would be in instalments. On my final payslip last week, the top says Basic Hours £177.56, under that it says buy out recovery -2490.34. Overpayment Pensionable - £2087.90 and then subtotal -£224.98.

It then says about Holiday Pay final disembursements where they've given me £198 and then I come out with in my bank on Friday £112.00. Now i've had a letter from Tesco's debt collectors asking me for a cheque of £1500. I asked for weeks before and after I left on information surrounding the buy out and how to pay it back, no one has explained the payslip to me and I was wondering if they've put anyone else in the same situation. Another team support has now left and is awaiting his final pay but they can't just assume we have kept the buy out because after tax I did not come out with enough to cover the £1500 due to the astronomical tax I paid after it was mixed with my basic wage. What makes it worse is we were told if we left we could pay it back in instalments. 

Thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: newdawnrising on 28-09-21, 06:19PM
Quote from: ForCryingOutLoud on 28-09-21, 04:31PM
Hi, do/ did the SM's have any discretion in how certain departments were amalgamated, for example, GM & clothing is now managed by 1 TM, in another store this is GM with Grocery, CSD now with PFS etc. Was this prescribed to the SM or their decision which ones to merge? I know this is based on overall headcount but wondered how the decision was reached regarding which ones to merge.

I asked a similar question And was told there was a pack that the sm follows. We are at our prescribed amount of five tm. But yet we have a tm with 70 heads, one with 50, one with 30, two with 20. So the headcount are not even.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 29-09-21, 08:21AM
The first version said to split the teams into even head counts but this resulted in splitting up areas that need to be together and gave areas mixed up areas in a very odd way. For example

Checkouts was an area on its own, checkouts and checkouts only.
Self service and Off till went to the grocery manager
PFS went to GM along with CSD
Cash office to fresh food

After a few days it changed to staying as it is with just a name change. The original brief took away the big head count for the front end manager and the team support. The team support have remained gone but head count is as big as it ever was at the front end. One manager with roughly half the store, excluding dot.com.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ForCryingOutLoud on 29-09-21, 11:44AM
It makes no sense to me at all, managers have been moved into areas they don't want to manage and have very few headcount per manager and less responsibility, leaving behind a department that has been merged, resulting in that manager having even more responsibility & 2 areas to run.My view is that it is discretionary based on SM's perception of competency. I could be wrong but if it is being chopped and changed it smacks of favouritism/ nepotism and a willingness to listen to feedback from some and not others. ???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 29-09-21, 12:12PM
I was briefed about the first and then the updated version a few days later.
My SM made it clear that once the store had reached the required amount of managers then the colleagues would be divided up equally!!
It was the only thing that stopped the Checkout Manager going off sick and putting in a grievance against the company!

The checkout manager was on holiday at the time so was briefed last, and only heard about the original brief after the follow up.

They have also lost the Team Support and due to the Service's manager leaving they are now looking after CSD and PFS too operationally.

If it turns out that they do not lose colleagues next year then a grievance will be going in against the company.

I will point out the original brief was only changed due to the HO Fresh teams kicking off over it all if rumours are to be believed!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: YourMum69 on 29-09-21, 12:44PM
Quote from: ladyAmarch on 28-09-21, 06:10PM
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can help me.  A number of us former team supports have left the company after being given the buy out, when we were giving it I knew I'd be leaving before the end of the year and asked if I had to take it or not, I didn't want too.  I was told to make a choice and took it, I asked how to pay it back at the time and they said not to worry it would be in instalments. On my final payslip last week, the top says Basic Hours £177.56, under that it says buy out recovery -2490.34. Overpayment Pensionable - £2087.90 and then subtotal -£224.98.

It then says about Holiday Pay final disembursements where they've given me £198 and then I come out with in my bank on Friday £112.00. Now i've had a letter from Tesco's debt collectors asking me for a cheque of £1500. I asked for weeks before and after I left on information surrounding the buy out and how to pay it back, no one has explained the payslip to me and I was wondering if they've put anyone else in the same situation. Another team support has now left and is awaiting his final pay but they can't just assume we have kept the buy out because after tax I did not come out with enough to cover the £1500 due to the astronomical tax I paid after it was mixed with my basic wage. What makes it worse is we were told if we left we could pay it back in instalments. 

Thanks


I've recently left. Not been asked to pay anything back. All they took was holiday pay. P60 had my whole year to date wage including the payout.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Aunt sally on 29-09-21, 08:07PM
Has anyone got any actual facts about shift leaders or is it all just made up to scare people
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lessforlife on 03-10-21, 03:50PM
Is there any news about an announcement tomorrow? Or is it all just hearsay
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 03-10-21, 09:04PM
Quote from: ladyAmarch on 28-09-21, 06:10PM
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone can help me.  A number of us former team supports have left the company after being given the buy out, when we were giving it I knew I'd be leaving before the end of the year and asked if I had to take it or not, I didn't want too.  I was told to make a choice and took it, I asked how to pay it back at the time and they said not to worry it would be in instalments. On my final payslip last week, the top says Basic Hours £177.56, under that it says buy out recovery -2490.34. Overpayment Pensionable - £2087.90 and then subtotal -£224.98.

It then says about Holiday Pay final disembursements where they've given me £198 and then I come out with in my bank on Friday £112.00. Now i've had a letter from Tesco's debt collectors asking me for a cheque of £1500. I asked for weeks before and after I left on information surrounding the buy out and how to pay it back, no one has explained the payslip to me and I was wondering if they've put anyone else in the same situation. Another team support has now left and is awaiting his final pay but they can't just assume we have kept the buy out because after tax I did not come out with enough to cover the £1500 due to the astronomical tax I paid after it was mixed with my basic wage. What makes it worse is we were told if we left we could pay it back in instalments. 

Thanks

I'm a team support who took the pay out, in our store they asked the other team support to take her job back as they was short even though she took the pay out, she she got paid out now back into the same job haha, place is a joke now,
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Buster99 on 03-10-21, 09:26PM
Last time I was on here I was losing my job as a team support and took the pay out and now back as a driver, all the stress of not knowing if to take the job or not I can honestly say thank god I took the buy out and now back driving, we all thought there was gonna be completely new role called fulfilment leader or somat, basically there isn't any change to the team support role for Dotcom, it's just new faces doing the role who don't even do that, the whole place has gone down hill, gone through about 3 managers, dropped down to 9 vans from 12, nobody cares at all vans get cancelled all the time drivers leaving, got no team 5s, drivers in Adidas tracky  bottoms, holiday forms taking months to get a reply. Been at Tesco 15 years never seriously thought about leaving I'm locked in for 18 month now but I bet I wouldn't even get a card if I left, completely different place than what it was
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Donk180 on 05-10-21, 11:59AM
Is there any managers on here that are on the new structure with shift leads? In our store we're in this awkward stage where we're not quite at the 4 managers needed to operate at the new structure but also don't have shift leads. I have just inherited all of the fresh areas in a store that takes 700k a week with no shift leads and to be honest it's unbearable and I'm hardly scratching the surface to what's expected but feel I have been set up to fail. Basically does it improve when shift leads support? Work life balance seems impossible at this point
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rad on 05-10-21, 02:28PM
You shouldnt be doing duty shifts at least when the SLs start
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: AudiTTman on 05-10-21, 08:34PM
Manager in our store has 40+ colleagues, fresh has half that and stock less than 10 same as grocery, it's a farce really and they still need to lose 2 team Managers!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 06-10-21, 12:41PM
Quote from: Donk180 on 05-10-21, 11:59AM
Is there any managers on here that are on the new structure with shift leads? In our store we're in this awkward stage where we're not quite at the 4 managers needed to operate at the new structure but also don't have shift leads. I have just inherited all of the fresh areas in a store that takes 700k a week with no shift leads and to be honest it's unbearable and I'm hardly scratching the surface to what's expected but feel I have been set up to fail. Basically does it improve when shift leads support? Work life balance seems impossible at this point

It's hardest before you reach the new structure. The way things are split up and the workload is vastly different between the managers. In my store the front end checkout manager now has 50 colleagues and the GM manager 9 but it's the GM manager that is stressed. The checkout manager had team support taken away at the same time they were handed extra areas, PFS being one that was going through it's structure change.  It feels like something is coming. They said on here that there was going to be an announcement last Monday on structure change, so far nothing. Our group has been running training sessions for up and coming shift leaders and there is a poster gone up about upskill training opportunities, forget the exact wording. It feels like something is coming.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-10-21, 10:20AM
Upskill training is a euphemism for do more work for the same pay and say thanks.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 07-10-21, 10:23AM
Forrestgimp you just got a substantial pay rise what are you complaining about.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 07-10-21, 04:28PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-10-21, 06:27PM
Quote from: Tesla on 07-10-21, 10:23AM
Forrestgimp you just got a substantial pay rise what are you complaining about.

Oh yea forgot about that
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 07-10-21, 07:45PM
forrestgimp

You been busy for a change
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 08-10-21, 07:30AM
go wash your mouth out with soap, We do not have language like that in here thank you very much.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Harry_houdini on 08-10-21, 08:22AM
I'm a manager with 13 years service and I'm at the point where my motivation has gone. Is there an official date for option to step down and pay out  ends? Also i know if you take the payout and then leave they will try and take money back off you but if I were to step down to shift leader, take pay outs then in three months step down to part time shift leader then in 12 months step down to GA? Is that possible without being asked for money back.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 08-10-21, 09:28AM
The team leader were told 18 months, if left before the 18 months they had to pay back the balance.

However, the manager structure change is a soft structure, until we are told differently. No pay out for stepping down or leaving. It's optional but with no lump sum to compensate.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 08-10-21, 09:15PM
Quote from: Harry_houdini on 08-10-21, 08:22AM
I'm a manager with 13 years service and I'm at the point where my motivation has gone. Is there an official date for option to step down and pay out  ends? Also i know if you take the payout and then leave they will try and take money back off you but if I were to step down to shift leader, take pay outs then in three months step down to part time shift leader then in 12 months step down to GA? Is that possible without being asked for money back.
Thanks in advance

A manager aspiring to be a GA  ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 10-10-21, 02:49AM
Quote from: Harry_houdini on 08-10-21, 08:22AM
I'm a manager with 13 years service and I'm at the point where my motivation has gone. Is there an official date for option to step down and pay out  ends? Also i know if you take the payout and then leave they will try and take money back off you but if I were to step down to shift leader, take pay outs then in three months step down to part time shift leader then in 12 months step down to GA? Is that possible without being asked for money back.
Thanks in advance

I think it would be 6 months time before you can step down/reduce hours. At least I had that number in my letter when I had to step down few years ago.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-10-21, 03:22PM
Express format is suffering a massive shortage of Shift Leaders atm, 60% of SMs in group 802 are doing duty shifts due to said shortages. The position seems to suffer chronic shortages in waves. With the added impact of inflation and the acknowledgement from head office that only Express Format Shift Leaders can sometimes not take their breaks (as proven by the section in tbe S&L handbook). I see a structural change coming in the next few months to deal with this unsustainable part of the business.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 10-10-21, 09:37PM
Quote from: Tesla on 08-10-21, 09:15PM
Quote from: Harry_houdini on 08-10-21, 08:22AM
I'm a manager with 13 years service and I'm at the point where my motivation has gone. Is there an official date for option to step down and pay out  ends? Also i know if you take the payout and then leave they will try and take money back off you but if I were to step down to shift leader, take pay outs then in three months step down to part time shift leader then in 12 months step down to GA? Is that possible without being asked for money back.
Thanks in advance

A manager aspiring to be a GA  ;D

He'll have to be trained in a range of new skills. Like actually tipping a wagon instead of disappearing and leaving it to the backdoor man and which ever GA's can be grabbed off the shop floor :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 10-10-21, 10:20PM
Training  ;D

Last time a manager was to get trained in my place they turned up for a few minutes then found themselves something allegedly more important to do leaving the colleagues to struggle once again.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Dooby27 on 19-10-21, 04:41PM
How comes a certain company does not release a press statement when they made people partners redundant.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 19-10-21, 06:01PM
Maybe even Tesco itself couldn't figure out exactly what it was, "people partners" were supposed to do.  ;D :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mug on 20-10-21, 10:21AM
Quote from: Donk180 on 05-10-21, 11:59AM
Is there any managers on here that are on the new structure with shift leads? In our store we're in this awkward stage where we're not quite at the 4 managers needed to operate at the new structure but also don't have shift leads. I have just inherited all of the fresh areas in a store that takes 700k a week with no shift leads and to be honest it's unbearable and I'm hardly scratching the surface to what's expected but feel I have been set up to fail. Basically does it improve when shift leads support? Work life balance seems impossible at this point

I'm not sure anyone has reached that stage yet. We're supposed to drop from 6 to 3 managers with 4 SL. 1 manager was forced to move to another store before this was launched "as a preventative measure and job security" but still faces the same fate in the new store. We are down to 4 managers, 1 permanent SL & 1 step up. The work load is still ridiculous, it's fighting fire with staff vacancies, sickness & other things. I feel the same that we've been set up to fail. I don't think any of us have performed the "manager" role this year and fully expect missed reviews all round, only strengthening our SM's review that they're "coaching and managing" us. It's all bull. I'm even at the point of leaving or stepping down purely so the remaining SL's can be hired to take the pressure off the others, but I'm not sure it will
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 26-10-21, 08:31PM
Just being nosey on T0sc0 Careers and there are 80 odd TM vacancies online - for a company that's trying to 'reduce' the number of TMs in store it feels, as ever, somewhat contradictory  ;D.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-10-21, 10:06PM
The 80 will probably be very recent resignations due to mid-structure change ridiculous workload. Until the structure change is complete, those vacancies will keep turning over like Benito Mussolini in WW2.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 30-10-21, 05:59PM
Quote from: Mug on 20-10-21, 10:21AM
Quote from: Donk180 on 05-10-21, 11:59AM
Is there any managers on here that are on the new structure with shift leads? In our store we're in this awkward stage where we're not quite at the 4 managers needed to operate at the new structure but also don't have shift leads. I have just inherited all of the fresh areas in a store that takes 700k a week with no shift leads and to be honest it's unbearable and I'm hardly scratching the surface to what's expected but feel I have been set up to fail. Basically does it improve when shift leads support? Work life balance seems impossible at this point

I'm not sure anyone has reached that stage yet. We're supposed to drop from 6 to 3 managers with 4 SL. 1 manager was forced to move to another store before this was launched "as a preventative measure and job security" but still faces the same fate in the new store. We are down to 4 managers, 1 permanent SL & 1 step up. The work load is still ridiculous, it's fighting fire with staff vacancies, sickness & other things. I feel the same that we've been set up to fail. I don't think any of us have performed the "manager" role this year and fully expect missed reviews all round, only strengthening our SM's review that they're "coaching and managing" us. It's all bull. I'm even at the point of leaving or stepping down purely so the remaining SL's can be hired to take the pressure off the others, but I'm not sure it will

It works and works well if you multi skill your team and you have full managers and shift lead. If there is one or 2 vacancies in the management team though you are screwed as theres alot of work to do for both different roles.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 31-10-21, 08:00AM
The jobs go online automatically. In the local group they may move people about but there may be some who might be considering a move to another area and are watching out for jobs. Of the roles that are left there are some roles that will need to retain a manager. If the front end manager retires for example, this role will need to be filled. It does not automatically go to another manager in that store. I suspect sometimes it might but it should be advertised for all potentially displaced managers to apply. That makes it fair to all. Where it may not be advertised is if there are three fresh managers and one leaves but the structure says just one going forward.
The jobs online may already have applicants from that same store or local area. It should however be open to all but in reality if the sm is under pressure to reduce his manager head count he may interview but select someone from his own store. It would be hard to prove that that one person was not the best applicant.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Geo12a on 04-11-21, 09:33AM
Are there any other team managers that are digging their heels in about being forced to pick up another department? I'm starting 4 weeks informal process due to refusing to pick up a second department for multiple reasons but have been told if I don't take the role on, step down or leave I will face disciplinary and potential dismissal. I'll take legal advice but curious if anyone has gone/going through this?

Profit before people should be the new company motto!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-11-21, 10:20AM
Picking up a new department would be a material change to your job description, unless thry promote you into a new role, they can't add unreasonable duties to your role, i.e giving more accountabilities and responsibilities of an extra department without a change in title or pay.

They can't claim it's an expectation when your role as a TM compared to other TMs of the same title and grade has more or less responsibilities (why should a TM in one store only have to manage 1 department, but you have to manage another, one being the same department plus 1 extra and be threatened by performance management?)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 04-11-21, 11:30AM
They can it's a reasonable request of the SM
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Geo12a on 04-11-21, 11:44AM
The whole process wasn't dealt with back in March with us only being given the new team manager role packs, no one to one discussions took place then and its only now that it's gone to informal 4 wk process which doesn't feel right. I know many managers sit in governance currently for not wanting to move store/pick up extra departments like me, trying to find out clarity if and why refusing this could lead to dismissal?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-11-21, 12:27PM
Quote from: Tesla on 04-11-21, 11:30AM
They can it's a reasonable request of the SM

A judge wouldn't see it that way, they'd ask what the roles of managing another department would entail and deem it unreasonable on the premise that the the activities can't be completed on a 36 hour contract, add to the fact that it previously required 2 TMs to fulfil what is now expected of 1 TM.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 04-11-21, 02:08PM
Not being funny nothing is a reasonable request in tosco..... it just comes down to bullying tactics.Do what I've started doing grievance all the extra jobs they expect you to do that the head office monkeys give you 10 minutes to complete.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 04-11-21, 02:25PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 04-11-21, 12:27PM
Quote from: Tesla on 04-11-21, 11:30AM
They can it's a reasonable request of the SM

A judge wouldn't see it that way, they'd ask what the roles of managing another department would entail and deem it unreasonable on the premise that the the activities can't be completed on a 36 hour contract, add to the fact that it previously required 2 TMs to fulfil what is now expected of 1 TM.

Excuses excuses
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Davethebave on 04-11-21, 02:52PM
Hmmmmm

As a team manager, all I've been told (in almost a year) is that our titles would change, nothing else. Seems like their is more to this then? An actual process that the company is now planning on following?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 04-11-21, 06:14PM
Quote from: Geo12a on 04-11-21, 09:33AM
Are there any other team managers that are digging their heels in about being forced to pick up another department? I'm starting 4 weeks informal process due to refusing to pick up a second department for multiple reasons but have been told if I don't take the role on, step down or leave I will face disciplinary and potential dismissal. I'll take legal advice but curious if anyone has gone/going through this?

Profit before people should be the new company motto!

What departments do you currently have and what are they trying to give you? Without duty it is an easier job than it used to be.  It varies from store to store but the shift leads do all the extreme hours 4 or 5am to midnight. And the team managers do 7-22 shifts. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 04-11-21, 08:14PM
All these managers moaning about doing their job need to take a look at themselves all you are doing is managing people they are not asking you to fill produce dairy bakery at the same time that's what your staff are for ,just goes to show how easy you have had it till now .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Night Owl on 04-11-21, 08:29PM
In an ideal world, yes managers would just manage their departments. In our store, managers are still expected to fill their departments by SM,  due to sick calls, late deliveries and checkout calls non stop from 8am -7pm. Yes we are on the new structure now, but still without Shiftleaders. Then SM is ranting as we used 15 hours over allowed hours last week.
Don't see things improving until January as Shiftleaders will be in place just before Christmas, if SD gives his approval.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 04-11-21, 09:53PM
Does your SM drive a BMW and suffer from long covid?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 05-11-21, 10:47AM
New contact that comes with the new job title means the job is more fluid. It's several pages long now and managers are termed team managers and not tied to an area. My old store manager referred to it as "team manager accountable for ....".
As part of this contract the areas are more fluid. When structure changes have been implemented the shift leads run the shop floor and the manager have a bigger, wider area but the admin tasks fall to manager and not so much shift lead.
The problem in the stores that are still top heavy in managers is that they are getting bigger areas but no shift leads. I don't know about the rest of the country but Scottish stores have been told to put on a night shift to support late deliveries. This takes one manager out of the day shift, add in holidays and managers are in for a full shift with no shift leads to run shop floor. We have front end services manager with a head count of 50 and non-food with a head count of 12. Both have same hours to deliver role. Both have earlies and lates. Both have duty shift when only manager in the building but one has only 12 to look after and is continually messing up schedules. Other has 50 and has a huge task now we are on work and pay as we are a store where we not only have no shift leads we don't even have team leaders. We have a manger headcount of 5 but once on new structure we will have 3 but 4 shift leads.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 05-11-21, 12:15PM
How on earth is that even working then @redshoes? It must be a total sham (as always).
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: King1999 on 05-11-21, 01:40PM
Sounds like complete and utter s**t as usual.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 05-11-21, 11:27PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 05-11-21, 10:47AM
New contact that comes with the new job title means the job is more fluid. It's several pages long now and managers are termed team managers and not tied to an area. My old store manager referred to it as "team manager accountable for ....".
As part of this contract the areas are more fluid. When structure changes have been implemented the shift leads run the shop floor and the manager have a bigger, wider area but the admin tasks fall to manager and not so much shift lead.
The problem in the stores that are still top heavy in managers is that they are getting bigger areas but no shift leads. I don't know about the rest of the country but Scottish stores have been told to put on a night shift to support late deliveries. This takes one manager out of the day shift, add in holidays and managers are in for a full shift with no shift leads to run shop floor. We have front end services manager with a head count of 50 and non-food with a head count of 12. Both have same hours to deliver role. Both have earlies and lates. Both have duty shift when only manager in the building but one has only 12 to look after and is continually messing up schedules. Other has 50 and has a huge task now we are on work and pay as we are a store where we not only have no shift leads we don't even have team leaders. We have a manger headcount of 5 but once on new structure we will have 3 but 4 shift leads.
Don't start that c**p about checkout/ front end managers having a harder time of it because of headcount. A checkout operator needs about 1 hr max training and they can do 90% of the checkout job. Add in 3-5 checkout team supprot and that role should be the easiest in store.

Check out staff and dot com picker are  the least skilled and least amount of training required in store so should have a higher headcount to cover.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 06-11-21, 10:19AM
Who said anything about training to do job. It can be hard to get people off till to do the legal refresher training etc, any service area is the same, but that is a whole different issue. If you are talking skills to do the job the checkouts may be a quicker learn but the CSD and PFS are certainly not so. Most of what you need to learn you can really only gain by experience and you have to do that with a smile on your face in front of customers. There is online training but you need to experience the job first and the online training does not and can't cover every situation.
This is about work and pay tasks, holidays, reviews etc. Then the day to day running of the service areas.
In my store the checkout manager has to help support fresh if in on an early shift and if on a later shift they have to help support grocery. In amongst this they support own areas and are chasing shifts still to be filled and then update info in W&P. The whole thing with W&P will get better, but for the moment it's very time consuming and that is because of a big head count.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 06-11-21, 10:34AM
There does seem to be a fundamental problem with this, again different areas and stores doing different things until the area manager gets a tug and then the store manager does, that's when all of a sudden things start to change quicker as we've read above.

The issue is that produce manager had 6 staff and checkouts has 100+ but shopfloor standards etc fall to the manager of the department which did seem "unfair" now they're trying to level it and now it doesn't work either! However the checkout manager was the one constantly in an office!

So many good long standing employees are leaving knowing that the grass is greener now  and with the levels of bulls**t at the highest they've ever been, people are now just leaving, there's no reason to stay any longer any level of loyalty has now sadly gone.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 06-11-21, 10:55AM
My main point being that not every task in the store involves putting stock on shelves. It's a vital task, it needs to happen but we are up against daily staff shortages or huge deliveries that are hindering other tasks being done. Grocery managers spend a huge part of shift working shoulder to shoulder. They fill the store daily, along with the team. Other tasks are done to ensure stock comes in as it should. It just feels like a daily problem with not enough people to fill shelves so today other jobs are put on back burner but then the same happens again the next day and the day after that. There comes a point when these other tasks are preventing other areas of the store running well but we are all still expected to fill shelves.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 06-11-21, 10:59AM
Couldn't agree more @redshoes
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 06-11-21, 11:29AM
Quote from: RocketRonnie100 on 06-11-21, 10:34AM
There does seem to be a fundamental problem with this, again different areas and stores doing different things until the area manager gets a tug and then the store manager does, that's when all of a sudden things start to change quicker as we've read above.

The issue is that produce manager had 6 staff and checkouts has 100+ but shopfloor standards etc fall to the manager of the department which did seem "unfair" now they're trying to level it and now it doesn't work either! However the checkout manager was the one constantly in an office!

So many good long standing employees are leaving knowing that the grass is greener now  and with the levels of bulls**t at the highest they've ever been, people are now just leaving, there's no reason to stay any longer any level of loyalty has now sadly gone.

The grass used to be greener in Aldi and Lidl for wages years ago but now the gap is tiny and the expectation at zee germans would floor 90% of the big 4 retailers.   

The restructure can work if the store manager has a manager or team support ready to cover one leaving. Otherwise you are still so thin on the ground dealing with one old biddy collapsing in store takes up any spare time you might have had in a day.

Oh and yeah its true Scotland stores having to put a manager on non nights store because the depot are s***.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Night Owl on 06-11-21, 07:21PM
All twilight stores in our group without delivery curfews were told by SD to put 2 grocery colleagues on nights to support Grocery DC. Colleagues just to compmete basic key holder e-learning. Colleagues to tip & fill Grocery delivery overnight and fill Grocery as much as possible.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 06-11-21, 09:43PM
You don't need a night fill just constant filling throughout the day would reduce shrink and keep customers happy. Ohh wait I forgot all the day shift aren't prepared to break sweat and are mostly managers with f all staff. Leave it to nights to pick up the donkey work.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 07-11-21, 06:53PM
You say "Leave it to nights to pick up the donkey work" like it is a bad thing they are doing... As a night worker I completely understand that it is our job to do the grunt work in the store. The day team are more service and figures based. That's just how it is and how it should be.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: FarmerFred on 07-11-21, 09:36PM
In our store if delivery comes in during the day & there's staff available then they fill whatever is available... which often does not please certain night staff who only want to do "their aisle". The classic is frozen - if days work the delivery nights moan that the back stock hasn't been worked, if delivery is left and back stock is worked then they moan that there's too much delivery to work. That's not to say that days are any better - there's workers and jerkers on both sides of the fence!

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 08-11-21, 09:54AM
Anybody got more to say on the topic which is "Management restructure 2021"
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 08-11-21, 12:06PM
As far as I can see there is no management restructure, what there is is managers being left to do as they have always done until such time as enough leave for Tesco to say its done.

we had 2 senior team in out store one of which was surplus to requirements for over a year the other one just left so the they just slot into the job vacated, same as the part time bakery manager we dont need they are just being left in place getting paid for not a lot.

Bit of a joke really paying people to not do their jobs.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 08-11-21, 02:30PM
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Managers in Tesco have always done f all why else would you waste time in one of the poorest paid sectors.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-11-21, 08:00PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-11-21, 12:06PM
As far as I can see there is no management restructure, what there is is managers being left to do as they have always done until such time as enough leave for Tesco to say its done.

we had 2 senior team in out store one of which was surplus to requirements for over a year the other one just left so the they just slot into the job vacated, same as the part time bakery manager we dont need they are just being left in place getting paid for not a lot.

Bit of a joke really paying people to not do their jobs.

Tesco is a bloated inefficient bureaucracy, recent news articles show they are the 3rd most expensive supermarket (After Waitrose and M&S), mateyboy managers doing sod all is commonplace at Tesco, they have an excess of fat at the top they need to cut otherwise the lean, mean well structured German discounter machines will take them out of the competition eventually.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 08-11-21, 09:26PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-11-21, 08:00PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-11-21, 12:06PM
As far as I can see there is no management restructure, what there is is managers being left to do as they have always done until such time as enough leave for Tesco to say its done.

we had 2 senior team in out store one of which was surplus to requirements for over a year the other one just left so the they just slot into the job vacated, same as the part time bakery manager we dont need they are just being left in place getting paid for not a lot.

Bit of a joke really paying people to not do their jobs.

Tesco is a bloated inefficient bureaucracy, recent news articles show they are the 3rd most expensive supermarket (After Waitrose and M&S), mateyboy managers doing sod all is commonplace at Tesco, they have an excess of fat at the top they need to cut otherwise the lean, mean well structured German discounter machines will take them out of the competition eventually.

You make out that it the managers in store that are the problem. From what I've seen 60-70% of the GAs wouldnt last 5 minutes in Lidl or Aldi.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BarryZola on 09-11-21, 05:30AM
Who hired these GA's? Incompetent managers maybe? They didn't hire themselves. Lidl and Aldi also pay more so maybe they get the best quality? Who decides on the pay grades? Ah yes, people at the top, the managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 09-11-21, 12:04PM
Directors to be more precise set the wages....

by the way Aldi... guy from our store is now working for them and climb up to ASM position (assistant store manager), he said that they do not keep underperforming people. Or they are let go or leave due high pace environment.
Ofcourse cant talk about every single Aldi but fact remain the same...lot of people wont last there.
I am wonder what pay rise they get in new year ???
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 09-11-21, 02:17PM
Quote from: BarryZola on 09-11-21, 05:30AM
Who hired these GA's? Incompetent managers maybe? They didn't hire themselves. Lidl and Aldi also pay more so maybe they get the best quality? Who decides on the pay grades? Ah yes, people at the top, the managers.

Managers who are taking the p**s out of other managers as they disappear into the sunset.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 09-11-21, 07:05PM
I love how every thread on this forum has to devolve into a "managers suck" rant by certain members.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 10-11-21, 11:57AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 05-11-21, 10:47AM
New contact that comes with the new job title means the job is more fluid. It's several pages long now and managers are termed team managers and not tied to an area. My old store manager referred to it as "team manager accountable for ....".
As part of this contract the areas are more fluid. When structure changes have been implemented the shift leads run the shop floor and the manager have a bigger, wider area but the admin tasks fall to manager and not so much shift lead.
The problem in the stores that are still top heavy in managers is that they are getting bigger areas but no shift leads. I don't know about the rest of the country but Scottish stores have been told to put on a night shift to support late deliveries. This takes one manager out of the day shift, add in holidays and managers are in for a full shift with no shift leads to run shop floor. We have front end services manager with a head count of 50 and non-food with a head count of 12. Both have same hours to deliver role. Both have earlies and lates. Both have duty shift when only manager in the building but one has only 12 to look after and is continually messing up schedules. Other has 50 and has a huge task now we are on work and pay as we are a store where we not only have no shift leads we don't even have team leaders. We have a manger headcount of 5 but once on new structure we will have 3 but 4 shift leads.

I think you are looking for a lubricated ar**h*le.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Batmanjo on 10-11-21, 01:19PM
Quote from: madness on 08-11-21, 09:26PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-11-21, 08:00PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-11-21, 12:06PM
As far as I can see there is no management restructure, what there is is managers being left to do as they have always done until such time as enough leave for Tesco to say its done.

we had 2 senior team in out store one of which was surplus to requirements for over a year the other one just left so the they just slot into the job vacated, same as the part time bakery manager we dont need they are just being left in place getting paid for not a lot.

Bit of a joke really paying people to not do their jobs.

Tesco is a bloated inefficient bureaucracy, recent news articles show they are the 3rd most expensive supermarket (After Waitrose and M&S), mateyboy managers doing sod all is commonplace at Tesco, they have an excess of fat at the top they need to cut otherwise the lean, mean well structured German discounter machines will take them out of the competition eventually.

You make out that it the managers in store that are the problem. From what I've seen 60- ;D ;D70% of the GAs wouldnt last 5 minutes in Lidl or Aldi.

Quite right to make that assumption about the management when you say GA's wouldn't last 5 minutes how long do you think these feckless management would last then ??  ;D ;D ;D it's a well known fact that the management don't have to use deodorant as there has never broken into a sweat  ;D ;D Aldi and Lidl staff don't work that hard you know.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: variablesoup on 10-11-21, 01:24PM
Is team support "management"
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 12-11-21, 07:41PM
Quote from: Batmanjo on 10-11-21, 01:19PM
Quote from: madness on 08-11-21, 09:26PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-11-21, 08:00PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-11-21, 12:06PM
As far as I can see there is no management restructure, what there is is managers being left to do as they have always done until such time as enough leave for Tesco to say its done.

we had 2 senior team in out store one of which was surplus to requirements for over a year the other one just left so the they just slot into the job vacated, same as the part time bakery manager we dont need they are just being left in place getting paid for not a lot.

Bit of a joke really paying people to not do their jobs.

Tesco is a bloated inefficient bureaucracy, recent news articles show they are the 3rd most expensive supermarket (After Waitrose and M&S), mateyboy managers doing sod all is commonplace at Tesco, they have an excess of fat at the top they need to cut otherwise the lean, mean well structured German discounter machines will take them out of the competition eventually.

You make out that it the managers in store that are the problem. From what I've seen 60- ;D ;D70% of the GAs wouldnt last 5 minutes in Lidl or Aldi.

Quite right to make that assumption about the management when you say GA's wouldn't last 5 minutes how long do you think these feckless management would last then ??  ;D ;D ;D it's a well known fact that the management don't have to use deodorant as there has never broken into a sweat  ;D ;D Aldi and Lidl staff don't work that hard you know.

I came from Aldi to Tesco so have exactly the experience to comment. Frankly Tesco is a cakewalk compared to Aldi (now or how Aldi used to be)    Reason for leaving Aldi was basically going from a 48 hr contract to 36. Yes big drop in wages but more work life balance. We used to try and avoid taking on people from the big 4 in Aldi as they were usually pretty poor. ex-mc donalds or co-op staff statistically were the best.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Rosst on 23-11-21, 12:30AM
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Ironically I've just came from co-op to Tesco and can assure people Tesco pay more for less work.
I'm a shift manager /team leader if you want to call it that.

In my Tesco interview he was shocked at the coop we work 1 on 1 and have the delivery done that night. I'm not claiming Tesco much better than co-op, but I'd rather get paid more for the same things I do at co-op 👍
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Cwtch on 23-11-21, 02:52PM
I would love to see the shops thar the so called management do nothing. In my store they do work as there is a lack of staff. I agree that there are the odd 1 that find it easy to walk around and look busy but the majority in my store do work hard and seen to be having a rough time.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: kaled78 on 23-11-21, 04:18PM
im not naming my store,but we have 3 that just sit in the office all day,only coming out for breaks,and they all have hit on their reviews,the rest of us management that put in the hard graft all got a miss,this company is beyond belief at the moment,with some people in cushy jobs doing sweet fa,and others struggling to complete basic tasks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: jester21 on 23-11-21, 04:36PM
Kaled78 I know what you mean, to be honest I have it very easy as I hardly see my boss but I don't take the p**s so I do help other departments and do it on my own back, I see managers sitting on side of a check out doing so called paper work for hrs or just getting up to answer their mobile phones to their mates and go on one on the nearest aisles to chat on their phone, I again do have some hard working managers who will get stuck in and do far more work then some of the lazy sods we have filling, It's like baby sitting for some of our managers and I don't know who takes the staff on I'm sure they just toss a piece of paper up in the air and take the first person it lands on!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 23-11-21, 07:23PM
Kaled give initials.   >:D

Jester you're spot on they seem to attract the most useless staff

Really feel sorry for the people who have spent decades in the business. Christmas was always fun with the agency workers that'd slow you down.

Get yourself to F out the place.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 27-11-21, 04:28PM
Quote from: Cwtch on 23-11-21, 02:52PM
I would love to see the shops thar the so called management do nothing. In my store they do work as there is a lack of staff. I agree that there are the odd 1 that find it easy to walk around and look busy but the majority in my store do work hard and seen to be having a rough time.

Christ, it must be bad in your store if even managers are having to put in a real day's work! :D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 28-11-21, 03:02PM
The reality is it's never been harder or worse to work for Tesco , Seriously rate them or not who makes people parents redundant in the middle of a national health crisis? Who makes sweeping changes to store senior structures during massive profit increases? Who reduces Dotcom Shift leader headcount during unbelievable growth? You couldn't make this company up. Management structure will continue to be dissolved, they ain't all great but be careful what you wish for people.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Bobkay1 on 28-11-21, 06:59PM
My new role is grocery bws warehouse frozen dairy meat bakery produce and hot deli manager, three years ago this was split between 5 managers. The job is monstrous......
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 28-11-21, 08:16PM
@Bobkay1 what the hell! Is that a superstore or an Extra?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 28-11-21, 09:14PM
Quote from: Bobkay1 on 28-11-21, 06:59PM
My new role is grocery bws warehouse frozen dairy meat bakery produce and hot deli manager, three years ago this was split between 5 managers. The job is monstrous......

Definitely doesn't fit any of the Tesco role packs. Sounds like a lead manager or SM is trying to pull a fast one getting you "managed out the business." I'd definitely be interested in seeing the capability study behind this.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Bobkay1 on 29-11-21, 08:22AM
Quote from: RocketRonnie100 on 28-11-21, 08:16PM
@Bobkay1 what the hell! Is that a superstore or an Extra?

I'm in a superstore. Feel like il being pulled in a thousand directions 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: biggerpicture on 29-11-21, 08:32AM
Bobkay1 Do you have a Fresh Manager? That role doesn't look right
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Bobkay1 on 29-11-21, 08:36AM
Me  ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 29-11-21, 09:11AM
No..no...no...no!

That is not right, there should be a fresh manager covering dairy, meat, deli, bakery and produce...the clue's in the title...FRESH!

You're being played my friend! Ask to see the role pack, email the area PP for a copy to be sent to you. Do you have a senior ambient and fresh manager?

In my old store, when they extended the role for non food manager, to cover warehouse, ambient grocery, homeware, health & beauty and frozen, the poor bloke ended up in bits, literally broke down crying one day under the strain...and he was a tough cookie!
The SM and senior team were ecstatic as they'd broken another manager...this is what a bit of power does to the schoolyard mentality of these bullies!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Bobkay1 on 29-11-21, 09:45AM
No senior management in my store apart from sm.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 29-11-21, 10:39AM
@Bobkay1 please please be careful, especially at this time of the year you'll run yourself truly into the ground, you'll end up going crazy. How on earth does the SM expect you to even be able to do that? What happens on your days off?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 29-11-21, 10:53AM
Quote from: lucgeo on 29-11-21, 09:11AM


In my old store, when they extended the role for non food manager, to cover warehouse, ambient grocery, homeware, health & beauty and frozen, the poor bloke ended up in bits, literally broke down crying one day under the strain...and he was a tough cookie!
The SM and senior team were ecstatic as they'd broken another manager...this is what a bit of power does to the schoolyard mentality of these bullies!

I'm just in total shock of what these SMs are expecting the team managers to cover, what do they seriously expect gonna happen when they're put under so much pressure. You bet your bottom dollar the SM is off home at half four after rolling in at ten am!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 29-11-21, 12:33PM
With the exception of about 4 in all my years in Tesco...every SM was a corrupt sleaze ball bully!

It's getting to silly season, when all full time managers are " expected " to work 12 hour shifts!!

I recall one section manager, who had notably looked below par for several days, I asked if ok? Said they were tired and had a headache!
That evening after 10 hours into the "expected" 12 stint, was refused by the senior team and SM to their request to go home early as feeling unwell...told they were off the following two days, and could rest then!!
Two days later...in hospital having suffered a life threatening medical episode, from which they would never recover enough to return to any kind of work!!

SM and senior team, first off the block to visit in hospital...luckily for them, the manager was too damn loyal and brainwashed to see through their motives to save their own arses!!  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 29-11-21, 12:50PM
The 12 hour shifts kick in soon, there's no thought for anyones plans or friends and family. It's just pure Tesco for more or less 3 weeks nonstop. It's made me HATE Christmas with a passion.

Plus with all of the changes that have happened in store to the structure it's making it worse.

If you even dare to say I'm off now at 22.30 before getting in at 6am the next day you're looked at like dirt.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 29-11-21, 06:08PM
Quote from: Bobkay1 on 29-11-21, 09:45AM
No senior management in my store apart from sm.

That would by default make you operating at lead manager capacity, at the very least you should be receiving 90% of the salary a lead manager earns. Definitely challenge this.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Bobkay1 on 29-11-21, 07:16PM
@RocketRonnie100 think I've gone crazy already. Not sure I know what day of the week it is anymore
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 29-11-21, 07:55PM
Right well you need to get your arse in gear mate!! No point playing the martyr, nobody gives a Shiite...it has to come  from you...the other managers won't back you up, as the more you do, the less they do! 

If you're in the union, get your SATA rep onboard, but deffo email thE PP for the job role pack...if you think you're being put on now...give it a couple weeks...you'll be lucky to have Christmas day off, without being the key holder on call!!

And Christmas Eve, you WILL NOT be invited to the annual slap on the back, with the SM's chosen few...drinking Prosecco toast, having reached sales targets...nice bit of bonus for the SM!!  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 29-11-21, 09:56PM
Quote from: RocketRonnie100 on 29-11-21, 12:50PM
The 12 hour shifts kick in soon, there's no thought for anyones plans or friends and family. It's just pure Tesco for more or less 3 weeks nonstop. It's made me HATE Christmas with a passion.

Plus with all of the changes that have happened in store to the structure it's making it worse.

If you even dare to say I'm off now at 22.30 before getting in at 6am the next day you're looked at like dirt.

Which weak as spineless managers do 12 hr days?   I think I have done 1 maybe 2 in 7 years at Tesco and that was becasue shtf big style in the store. However the very next oportunity i took a half day. I don't understand the mentality of these crazy days someone goes sick on your department or a busy big issue you have a backup plan of someone who is willing to come in to cover it . IE MANAGE the situation.   I've put through 30 mins requests on my addition pay screen and SM has always confirmed it.

There really seems to be 2 types of store and management in this company.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: biggerpicture on 29-11-21, 10:34PM
You need to ask to see the structure for your store. Sounds like you should have a Fresh Manager as well.
Not been asked to do, or be expected to do 12 hour shifts in years.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 29-11-21, 11:14PM
Structure for a superstore is roughly SM lead if over 600k a week or something like that,  managers.   1 fresh 1 grocery+non food   1 front end    1 merch stock admin   and if you have it 1 dot com.     then 4 shift leads who take all the duties.     
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 30-11-21, 06:27AM
Just how many other managers are employed in your store, and what departments do they cover?

The extra hours on the 12 hour stints in my store were always unpaid, with the carrot of time back after Christmas  ;)
This is from a SM who had us all doing two rumbles a day! 12-1pm then 4-5pm, the afternoon was mainly managers again, as the rest were part time!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 30-11-21, 09:05AM
Quote from: madness on 29-11-21, 09:56PM
Quote from: RocketRonnie100 on 29-11-21, 12:50PM
The 12 hour shifts kick in soon, there's no thought for anyones plans or friends and family. It's just pure Tesco for more or less 3 weeks nonstop. It's made me HATE Christmas with a passion.

Plus with all of the changes that have happened in store to the structure it's making it worse.

If you even dare to say I'm off now at 22.30 before getting in at 6am the next day you're looked at like dirt.

Which weak as spineless managers do 12 hr days?   I think I have done 1 maybe 2 in 7 years at Tesco and that was becasue shtf big style in the store. However the very next oportunity i took a half day. I don't understand the mentality of these crazy days someone goes sick on your department or a busy big issue you have a backup plan of someone who is willing to come in to cover it . IE MANAGE the situation.   I've put through 30 mins requests on my addition pay screen and SM has always confirmed it.

There really seems to be 2 types of store and management in this company.

Believe me, I don't want to do it AT ALL, but "it's expected" then frowned upon on reviews and I'm reminded of it by my lead manager 6 months later when I came in and did my 9 hours. Plus I was reminded how I was "letting the rest of the management team down".

Yes you're correct I was offered "time back" after Christmas and after racking up a weeks worth  of overtime and guess what I was "offered" one day back! I almost fell over.

Never again at least now I get paid the overtime and get taxed to high heaven.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 30-11-21, 06:00PM
We had a new SM who thought that way, however us managers stuck to doing our time and going. He got annoyed that he put in 12 or 14 hour days.

1 year later he now does the same as us. Yes a crazy day of issues he does longer and he will likely do it at xmas.      my time is MY TIME. 
But you need to make sure your departments are running right. If you are in a store where you get on with your colleagues it is much easier.

Infact today i fb messaged 1 of my colleagues to cover a covid sickness next week. 2 shifts done agreed.
That colleague knows that flexibilty will be repaid if he had an issue.

There is defo 2 different types of tesco out there.     3 if you include express but i would never work in an express.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 30-11-21, 06:56PM
This is the thing, the departments are running fine and there are no issues with coverage etc, but because "that's the way we've done it for 6 years" it will continue to be like that.

All the other managers are as infuriated as I am every single year.

Let's not mention about the names into a hat for who's on call Christmas Eve and Christmas Day etc  ;D ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ForCryingOutLoud on 30-11-21, 06:58PM
Working just your bog standard  9 hr shift patterns ie early, mid, late, ensuring a handover I calculated 140 hrs per year unpaid. Did this for a couple of years because it seemed to be the right thing to do even though I would see other mgrs leaving early. Worked through many, many breaks. Guess who was the underperformer & who were the Met. Seen the light,  not one minute do they get extra from me anymore.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 30-11-21, 07:27PM
I see Tesco going bankrupt within the next 2 years and all the mateyboy managers and directors languishing on the dole for the rest of their natural.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 30-11-21, 08:48PM
Nonsense night and day.

Food retail is profitable though margins arnt great it is dependable and can just raise price anyway.

Any manager needing to do 9 10 11 12 hr days to get their job done is a s*** manager anyway. Too much time on fb or chatting.    If i were lead or SM i'd be giving a miss to the managers who dont leave on time.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 30-11-21, 09:27PM
You can't just raise the price, margins are terrible and raising the prices isn't a good strategy in fiercely competitive environments.

With all the strike actions and lawsuits against Tesco in the past few months and the combination of bloated structure and cowboy managers as well as  bigger fish than Tesco coming in to fthe sector and forcing the customers away from Tesco with their superior buying power as well as the economic illiteracy of their directors, they'll go belly up unless they start recruiting properly qualified people into director positions and not just some 6 foot something David Brent pretty boys or Edward Tattsyrup "This is a local shop for local people" closet racists.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 01-12-21, 07:22AM
Vlad, Hello. I get your point. However would you stay for an extra 3 hours a day for 3 weeks for nothing and do an extra day on the Sunday before Xmas again for nothing? All for the store managers review and his pay packet whilst he stands by the bakery on his phone?

Then asks senior team "right who's on call Xmas Day then"?!

Probably not  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 01-12-21, 09:30AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 30-11-21, 09:27PM
You can't just raise the price, margins are terrible and raising the prices isn't a good strategy in fiercely competitive environments.

With all the strike actions and lawsuits against Tesco in the past few months and the combination of bloated structure and cowboy managers as well as  bigger fish than Tesco coming in to fthe sector and forcing the customers away from Tesco with their superior buying power as well as the economic illiteracy of their directors, they'll go belly up unless they start recruiting properly qualified people into director positions and not just some 6 foot something David Brent pretty boys or Edward Tattsyrup "This is a local shop for local people" closet racists.

You no longer work for the company and have only ever worked in small format in what you say is a affluent area. You should not make sweeping statement about the whole company based on your very small experience. The small store format is a whole different ball game.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 01-12-21, 11:28AM
As I said before, almost 7 years in the company isn't a " very small experience" I know how it all works, my criticisms are all backed by data and fact, they're not "sweeping statements" if it's reported in the news.

It's a fact that Tesco has the lowest reported rating on corporate governance out of all FTSE 100 companies, though it's improved, it's still really bad, hence all of these cow boy antics happening and not being accounted for.

Also, "affluent area" is a bit redundant these days, most of the South of England is an affluent area.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 02-12-21, 09:39AM
To me seven years is not a lot but even so you have only worked in small format and in the same area. I suppose this is age relative though. I have done 30+ years and in seven stores. I have worked in English and Scottish stores. In superstores and in Extras. I have a friend who has done 46 years.
I have worked for store manager who were not born when I stared working for the company and I have had store managers with over 40 years service.
A lot boils down to where the store is. In an area with higher unemployment people tend to stay. You get colleagues who end up with very long service and the stores have the pick of managers. In a well off area it's harder to attract and keep staff. Stores with this issue often get location pay but even so it can still be hard to retain staff.
The restructure is hard for all. We have been used to more people to deliver the store. Any manager that spends time in a cafe or doing nothing is risking job. On the other hand it needs to be pointed out that a manager who also spends all day filling shelves is at risk too. We all have jobs to be done and a manager filling shelves all day is taking a job away from a colleague and is being paid managers pay to deliver a colleagues job.
As far as the ivory tower goes. I don't always agree with the things that come down the line to us but I have only ever worked in stores. I have never done the other side of this job and as such I don't feel I have the right to comment to and great degree. I do feel frustration at times but I don't feel that my job is at risk because of what they are doing.
I have been through consultation three times now and have lived to tell the tale. I have done just about every job in stores over the years. I have been offered jobs and I have been in roles that have been removed. In my experience if you have time on your hands and you find the job easy, spending the day looking at the clock to see if it's time to go home yet I would not get too comfy as your job is probably at risk. If you are busy and looking at the clock and thinking you have lost hours and have to pick what tasks you can complete due to the time left to you, the job is probably more secure.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-12-21, 01:58PM
I have worked mostly in small format but have worked in large formats on several occassions.  I have experienced enough incompetence from too many Store Managers to know that this is more than an anecdotal issue as others here can attest.

As for the restructures, they're necessary to remain competitive but there is a right way to do it, the Dave Lewis era strategy was very much in favour for short term liquidity over long term strategy, as a result Tesco has lost very profitable parts of the business such as Tesco Lotus and  has also downsized it's profile by selling off and cutting loss leader parts of the business such as ISB.

Staff turnover is typically much more inconsequential to the Retail industry as it is very accessible and characterised as a student job, a significant amount of employees are either part time students (I was one myself many a moon ago), one of the parents earning a supplementary income or people in a stop gap in their careers etc. The natural wasteage of this demographic is going to be higher than the Tesco hodlers by default. But because it is very accessible, it means that in normal times there's a high number of recruits, people are easily replaceable in this space, including the managers.

As such in normal times, staff turnover has less emphasis as a value driven KPI than other industries, but this isn't normal times, Tescos bullly boy characterisation in this employee led economic market will have serious operational ramifications, threads on this site and other websites have already covered the Mickey Mouse shenanigans of Tesco top brass resulting in the strike at the DC centres, payroll issues and a list as long as my arm of other issues with a root cause of cowboy management.

Tesco needs to get its house in order, otherwise, along with suffering greater recruitment challenges, they will find themselves in trouble against bigger boy Amazon.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 02-12-21, 08:51PM
The problem now with retail is that in areas of the country with multiple stores in close proximity (ie Major Towns, South East etc) job applicants can pick or choose the.roles they take. With Tesco tending to only offer part time temp roles  often on flexi shifts
at little more than the minimum wage, its hardly surprising the better candidates are choosing to work for retailers offering permanent contracts that may be full time or in shops that don't open 24/7.

As we have a ever changing temporary workforce very few recruits seek out opportunity to develop into the managers of tomorrow, and due to current constant re-structures and working practices many exiperenced managers are leaving the  business.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nowanexmgr on 02-12-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D

My job isnt tough at all.  It's actually really really easy. I manage people. Simples.

Job needs doing? I have CAs like you for that. I instruct one or other of them to do it. And do it swiftly. And to my exacting standards. Or they do it again. 
Jobs not finished on time? No way am I staying. Again, I have CAs like you for that. I tell them to stay behind. They stay behind. Famously in my store I made one lazy so and so come in for four hours on the morning of his daughters wedding as he'd gone home two days previously and left my back up chiller in a mess.
I'm not an ogre though. I allowed him to start at 6am and leave at 10am. After I'd inspected his work of course. He just about made it to the church for 12 so all was well that ended well.
He wasn't happy but I tell you what, his standard of work improved hugely after that.
It's called management. It's very easy and relatively well paid. And it's open to anybody with a willingness to work hard.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 02-12-21, 10:39PM
now ex manager has got his wooden spoon out and is stiring the pot, lol..   wedding story is a bit of a stretch though.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 03-12-21, 08:39AM
I wish we had "nowexmamager" at our store, with the amount of stuff like that you pulled you'd probably be out the door within a week  ;D  ours come in, go "do this or else" and we just take the absolute mick out of what they say, if they want it done right, it'll be done right alright... No delivery is getting done, shelves will be spotless every night, no time for stocking it I'm afraid though  >:D

The insanity our store drives them to is why we only have the 1 manager now who rushes around doing 4 aisles each night while the rest of us take our time, just so he doesn't get more boots..

Work smarter not harder, use the policies and stuff against any like that, it's the only way you get management to do something around a store these days for what their paid.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 03-12-21, 10:53AM
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 02-12-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D

My job isnt tough at all.  It's actually really really easy. I manage people. Simples.

Job needs doing? I have CAs like you for that. I instruct one or other of them to do it. And do it swiftly. And to my exacting standards. Or they do it again. 
Jobs not finished on time? No way am I staying. Again, I have CAs like you for that. I tell them to stay behind. They stay behind. Famously in my store I made one lazy so and so come in for four hours on the morning of his daughters wedding as he'd gone home two days previously and left my back up chiller in a mess.
I'm not an ogre though. I allowed him to start at 6am and leave at 10am. After I'd inspected his work of course. He just about made it to the church for 12 so all was well that ended well.
He wasn't happy but I tell you what, his standard of work improved hugely after that.
It's called management. It's very easy and relatively well paid. And it's open to anybody with a willingness to work hard.

We had a manager like you. He tried to, "manage" the wrong person, and one night after work he was dragged out of his car and beaten so badly he needed hospital treatment. >:D

What made us laugh even more was the absolute legend who did it was able to successfully claim he had. "mental health issues", so Tesco didn't fire him on the spot. The manager he gave a beating to was forced to, "support him".  ;D :D

When the bloke who gave him an attitude adjustment eventually quit, we had a whip-round and presented him with a couple of hundred quid and a lot of alcohol. He was a very popular member of staff. And the manager? He eventually moved to another job, in another store. One in which his contact with big, ugly CA's was extremely limited.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nowanexmgr on 03-12-21, 11:10AM
Yeah,it does happen. A couple, tried that with me one evening whilst out and about having popped a couple of hard **** tablets.
Safe to say they didn't try it again and the added bonus was I had a few weeks off work with a broken hand as I "slipped and fell".
It did me a favour truth be told. Word got around and now if I ask you to do something people generally do it right away.

Made me a better manager. I'd have thanked them if they hadn't left whilst I was off sick. 😂😂👍🏻
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 03-12-21, 11:19AM
Lol, typical manager: if you're breaking your hand, you're not hitting them correctly. That's why people like me, who actually know how to fight, always follow the advice,

"Use your hands on the soft parts and your elbows, knees and feet on the hard parts" >:D

You were lucky; I'm the worst kind of sadist, because I can fight and I enjoy it when my victim puts up some resistance. That's why I generally don't abuse women; they are so weak and helpless there's no challenge.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 03-12-21, 11:22AM
[admin]BACK to topic please.[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 03-12-21, 04:23PM
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 02-12-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D

. Again, I have CAs like you for that. I tell them to stay behind. They stay behind. Famously in my store I made one lazy so and so come in for four hours on the morning of his daughters wedding as he'd gone home two days previously and left my back up chiller in a mess.
I'm not an ogre though. I allowed him to start at 6am and leave at 10am. After I'd inspected his work of course. He just about made it to the church for 12 so all was well that ended well.


Course you did  :D :D :D

I have worked for 25 years at Tesco and only 1 single person would have done what you say that person did and he ended up storming out of the store after yet another day of abuse from managers.

If you did anything remotely like the stuff you write here you would be either have gotten smashed up on the way home by someone in the shadows or got sacked for bullying.

Not sure why you write rubbish like this except you like to annoy people.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: grim up north on 03-12-21, 06:22PM
I enjoy these tall stories. Although you slipped up, you should have got the entire wedding party in to rumble the store
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 03-12-21, 06:57PM
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 03-12-21, 11:10AM
Yeah,it does happen. A couple, tried that with me one evening whilst out and about having popped a couple of hard **** tablets.
Safe to say they didn't try it again and the added bonus was I had a few weeks off work with a broken hand as I "slipped and fell".
It did me a favour truth be told. Word got around and now if I ask you to do something people generally do it right away.

Made me a better manager. I'd have thanked them if they hadn't left whilst I was off sick. 😂😂👍🏻
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 02-12-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D

My job isnt tough at all.  It's actually really really easy. I manage people. Simples.

Job needs doing? I have CAs like you for that. I instruct one or other of them to do it. And do it swiftly. And to my exacting standards. Or they do it again. 
Jobs not finished on time? No way am I staying. Again, I have CAs like you for that. I tell them to stay behind. They stay behind. Famously in my store I made one lazy so and so come in for four hours on the morning of his daughters wedding as he'd gone home two days previously and left my back up chiller in a mess.
I'm not an ogre though. I allowed him to start at 6am and leave at 10am. After I'd inspected his work of course. He just about made it to the church for 12 so all was well that ended well.
He wasn't happy but I tell you what, his standard of work improved hugely after that.
It's called management. It's very easy and relatively well paid. And it's open to anybody with a willingness to work hard.

You Wally...what is the point...I have understood some of your posts, based on the old times system...but this is beyond comprehension...you would NEVER be supported, on some of your claims of management bullying...no way would the PM allow you to dictate, as you state,..unless you were the PM?? Do you seriously think that a colleague, who had booked off the day for his daughter's wedding, would come in to kowtow to you, without the union or PM stepping in??
GET A GRIP MAN!...as ex military myself, you were not trained to use and abuse the friends...only the foe!!

You carry on with your current assumption that you are untouchable..I foresee a sacking on the horizon, Tesco throwing you under the bus..and a court appearance!., get out while you can man...you've lost the plot!!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-12-21, 07:26PM
PMs are just as Mickey Mouse as the rest of the managers, never met one with any integrity, the closest thing Tesco has to a HR manager is an employment tribunal judge.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 03-12-21, 07:36PM
I have met good managers and poor managers.
I have never met a good PM. it was an easy way up the company. Most had no idea how to run the store as a senior team member.

Getting rid of them was a good thing though ironically we could do with them just now and just call them mental health managers to deal with all the kids these days who find life a bit too hard and want a medal just for turning up to work...
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-12-21, 09:32PM
The point of HR is to act in the interests of the company, kids who do sweet f.a are easily managed by competent managers, the primary role of importance that a competent HR manager (PM) fulfils is to ensure that managers aren't acting in ways that can be construed as illegal and cost the business money, which is endimic at this time of speaking.

Honestly there wouldn't be a Tesco with the amount of illegal activity going on, the many lawsuits would result in the company going into administration.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 04-12-21, 10:30AM
Then I am in the minority...the first PM I had was scary, sometimes unapproachable, but was fair minded, knew her stuff, kept the SM in line!! It was her who encouraged me many times to become a rep.
Over the years, the ones who followed ranged from good to excellent, but we're always friendly, helpful and supportive of the staff.
The last to leave, was an old colleague who had worked their way up, was far too intelligent for the role, and totally frustrated with the SM's antics! They left, and is now an area manager for one of the German discounter chains.
Then the replacement arrived...the new breed  :( :-X :-X. The SM's puppet! It was their first position of PM, and didn't have a clue! But fortunately their spouse was an SM in another store on the group  ???
Come the PM mass redundancy, was the only one to apply for the vacancy! The majority of others, knowing their worth, took the redundancy package  :thumbup:

I believe they're still in the role, still doing the same routine...turn up occasionally, have Costa and chat with others for a good couple hours, in the office for a time, then shopping and home  :-X
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-12-21, 11:38AM
I've had more than a few altercations with the PM, I once asked one of them the policy on fuel site step up TL wage, (in express at the time, it was £1 extra an hour and £2 for fuelsite) , I screenshoted the policy on ourtesco, the PM emailed back with a photoshopped copy of the policy saying it's £1 an hour regardless of fuelsite or express. From that point on I knew they couldn't be trusted.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 04-12-21, 01:41PM
I too ran rings round a PM once who made up their own document on a proceedure they wanted done in store. In the investigation as to why I hadnt followed the "official document" I asked is this a tesco official policy or did you make that up on your own?    the notetaker stopped writing and i saw the smirk on their face.

The meeting was ended no further action and the whole thing was dropped.

Ironically enough i got on ok with that PM she was alright but waaaaaaaaaaaay out her depth when actually challenged on something.   
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-12-21, 02:26PM
Honestly, Tesco management comprises of ex-dinner ladies, Frank Gallagher types, Mickey Mouse David Brent Office types and budget Hitlers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 06-12-21, 04:39PM
PM stands for Pointless Manager. Everyone knows this. Even the people at head office eventually figured out that having a Pointless Manager for every store was a waste of money.  I honestly wouldn't know who my Group PM was if I tripped over them.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 06-12-21, 04:43PM
Quote from: madness on 04-12-21, 01:41PM
I too ran rings round a PM once who made up their own document on a proceedure they wanted done in store. In the investigation as to why I hadnt followed the "official document" I asked is this a tesco official policy or did you make that up on your own?    the notetaker stopped writing and i saw the smirk on their face.

The meeting was ended no further action and the whole thing was dropped.

Ironically enough i got on ok with that PM she was alright but waaaaaaaaaaaay out her depth when actually challenged on something.

Our ex-PM once asked the USDAW rep to, "stop getting GA's off disciplinary actions on technicalities". She smiled and pointed out that if the managers followed the procedures correctly - and it was his job to make sure they did - there wouldn't be any loopholes for her to exploit.  :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 06-12-21, 05:20PM
We had a manager who kept messing up investigations and meetings, Usdaw rep kept getting things thrown out and overturned, S.M eventually told the Usdaw rep he was no longer authorised to attend meetings, result was the rep grievanced the S.M who got an absolute dressing down once those higher up found out what had been said.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-12-21, 07:04PM
"Dressing down", is essentially the PM telling the SM to sit in the naughty chair and loses his rights to Ice Cream at lunch time. Honestly, If I was a judge I'd get Tesco into liquidation by now.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 10-12-21, 06:32PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 03-12-21, 06:57PM
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 03-12-21, 11:10AM
Yeah,it does happen. A couple, tried that with me one evening whilst out and about having popped a couple of hard **** tablets.
Safe to say they didn't try it again and the added bonus was I had a few weeks off work with a broken hand as I "slipped and fell".
It did me a favour truth be told. Word got around and now if I ask you to do something people generally do it right away.

Made me a better manager. I'd have thanked them if they hadn't left whilst I was off sick. 😂😂👍🏻
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 02-12-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 30-11-21, 09:49PM
This is my favourite thread. Managers whining about how, "tough" their jobs are makes me go Full Cartman,

"Oh, the delicious tears of unfathomable sadness! Yummy!" >:D

Keep it up, lads! :D ;D

My job isnt tough at all.  It's actually really really easy. I manage people. Simples.

Job needs doing? I have CAs like you for that. I instruct one or other of them to do it. And do it swiftly. And to my exacting standards. Or they do it again. 
Jobs not finished on time? No way am I staying. Again, I have CAs like you for that. I tell them to stay behind. They stay behind. Famously in my store I made one lazy so and so come in for four hours on the morning of his daughters wedding as he'd gone home two days previously and left my back up chiller in a mess.
I'm not an ogre though. I allowed him to start at 6am and leave at 10am. After I'd inspected his work of course. He just about made it to the church for 12 so all was well that ended well.
He wasn't happy but I tell you what, his standard of work improved hugely after that.
It's called management. It's very easy and relatively well paid. And it's open to anybody with a willingness to work hard.

You Wally...what is the point...I have understood some of your posts, based on the old times system...but this is beyond comprehension...you would NEVER be supported, on some of your claims of management bullying...no way would the PM allow you to dictate, as you state,..unless you were the PM?? Do you seriously think that a colleague, who had booked off the day for his daughter's wedding, would come in to kowtow to you, without the union or PM stepping in??
GET A GRIP MAN!...as ex military myself, you were not trained to use and abuse the friends...only the foe!!

You carry on with your current assumption that you are untouchable..I foresee a sacking on the horizon, Tesco throwing you under the bus..and a court appearance!., get out while you can man...you've lost the plot!!

Lol, @nowanexmgr's stories are about as believable as Jussie Smollet's, "Hate Crime".

"This is Tesco Country, boy!" :D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: rogerthedodger on 12-12-21, 09:09AM
Back on Topic the plan is to reduce the number of line management across stores but increase the shift leader roles , remaining line managers (some) will be trained to level/ability to dismiss. No word on any redundancy stores will probably have to struggle until they get to management headcount. Pressure will be put on store manager to do this and in turn  line managers will be given hell until they either leave or move into a vacancy on another shop.
New structure would look like
Managers on
wages/stock/admin
Front end
Fresh
Grocery
Non food/clothing
So 5 line managers one lead if shop is massive

Dotcom will stand alone and report to store managers
Front end will have its own team support.
Then most stores will have 4 generic shift leaders.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: kaled78 on 12-12-21, 10:04AM
the problem with the shift leaders in superstores is they tend to get power drunk and think they can boss everyone around,even if dept managers are present
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Morris999 on 12-12-21, 01:23PM
Quote from: rogerthedodger on 12-12-21, 09:09AM
Back on Topic the plan is to reduce the number of line management across stores but increase the shift leader roles , remaining line managers (some) will be trained to level/ability to dismiss. No word on any redundancy stores will probably have to struggle until they get to management headcount. Pressure will be put on store manager to do this and in turn  line managers will be given hell until they either leave or move into a vacancy on another shop.
New structure would look like
Managers on
wages/stock/admin
Front end
Fresh
Grocery
Non food/clothing
So 5 line managers one lead if shop is massive

Dotcom will stand alone and report to store managers
Front end will have its own team support.
Then most stores will have 4 generic shift leaders.

That may be the aim of the new structure in Extras, however that is not what the new structure will look like in a lot of Superstores.
The store I'm currently in goes to the following:

1 Team manager covering Frontend -Checkouts, Self-serve, SAYS,CSD,PFS,Community & Trollies
1Team Manager covering Fresh- Produce, Dairy, Meat, Bakery/Plant Bread, Grab & Go & Cash office
1 Team Manager looking after the rest- Grocery,HH, BWS,Frozen, H&B,Non Food,Clothing, Warehouse, seasonal, Stock Control & Wages/Admin
1 Team manager on nights/PI

Then the equivalent of Shift Leaders to cover 24/7 a week!
And no Team Support on frontend or any Lead team apart from the SM.

On top of that we are down for C&C in the new year which won't have a permanent manager/Team support or Shift leader looking after the initial 12 weeks!
It will go to either the Team manager looking after Frontend or Ambient!

Oh and I forgot 1 Team Manager sat in the Phone Shop, playing games and updating their social media pages.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 12-12-21, 05:06PM
There are different approaches here as youd put cash office with front end so you can cover ot with people more familiar with cash handling rather than a produce filler.

Also Dot com gets a manager I've no idea where it reporting directly to SM. its under their remit but with a team manager as well.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 12-12-21, 07:21PM
All they need on nights in large stores is a shift leader and some competent GAs who are in  a full time week. Too many party hour GAs and TMs that are doing assistant work.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 13-12-21, 09:18AM
Cash office no longer sits with front end. At the moment it's with wages/admin. I agree that we have a skilled set within cash office that can support front end and even though it does not sit with front end it can still do all of that.
We are not a dot.com store and we don't have nights. So we are supposed to have three managers.

As we are now;
Front end - checkouts, self service, off till, CSD, PFS and trolling. Also responsible for community. Over 50% of headcount in store. No shift leads or team support.
Replenishment - grocery, health & beauty, hardliners, clothing and warehouse
Stock/admin - with wages, stock control and cash office.

We do have a fourth manager at the moment who is doing fresh - produce, meat, dairy, bakery and hot deli.

We are just not sure how it should fit with three managers. We are told we get four shift leads when we hit new structure. At the moment we have shift leads in training that support with duty open and closing shifts as it can't be done without when you add in sick and holiday. As it is we are most of the wk a single manager in the building a great part of the day. We have a three hour cross in the middle of the day and an extra mid shift in on the busy days. The shift leads in training are being paid deputy pay for the time they are stepping up.
The shift leads are ex-managers who have come back or signed off but not appointed managers. We have others in training but they are not doing duty shifts, they are still learning but will buddy up with duty managers to learn the ropes but not until after Christmas. At the moment they are doing online training and spending as much time as they can with different managers.
We also have a store manager who is very hands on. He spends a great deal of his time filling and has high standards of how the store should look. He does early and late shifts.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 13-12-21, 03:25PM
An SM filling  ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 13-12-21, 11:06PM
Standards are shot there isnt the hours in any of the departments for constant facing up. And even if you are on an ok checkouts will screw you over every time.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 14-12-21, 06:34AM
I couldn't care less about the managers, but cutting their numbers just to save money is idiotic when Centre still exists. Tesco's first step should be to shut that down and make everyone who, "works" there redundant. Centre is a complete waste of time and money.

Next, shut down Tesco Pravda and get rid of everyone involved. In twenty years, I've not seen a single person pick up a copy. It's worthless. Unless the toilets run out of paper, which happens quite regularly. >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 14-12-21, 08:50AM
Quote from: Tesla on 13-12-21, 03:25PM
An SM filling  ;D

In the last ten years we have had four different store managers. They all filled. All worked produce in the morning and then would depend on what was needed after that. All have been on the phone a lot but moan about the calls they get, all spent limited time in office. Expect same of management team. There is nobody in the office a moment they don't have to be never has been. I have seen the coffee morning manager in another store a very long time ago but that store was put into special measures and some managers were moved.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 14-12-21, 03:23PM
Ours fills too, the amount we have in the back and not on the shelf after they've filled makes you wonder if they know the meaning of fill, cause I'm sure as hell they think it means either "leave it" or "take it off and put it in the back"
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 14-12-21, 04:17PM
With regards to the management structure changes, how's everyone finding the levels of backstock instore at the moment esp as we have new shift leaders etc?

I guess the insanity hasn't quite hit with regards to fresh yet.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 14-12-21, 11:26PM
Do as you can and F off home don't take the TMs / leads s***.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hazelgrif on 14-12-21, 11:28PM
New hourly holidays,     So as full timer over 5 days I normally get 34 days per year, now as it's done hourly and I work 8.45 hrs per day. I'm not entitled to the 34 days. Is this correct? On pay slip saying allowance 237.5 entitlement. ( yet colleagues is saying 241 hrs entitlement for samehrs and same amount of days.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 15-12-21, 09:57AM
Quote from: Hazelgrif on 14-12-21, 11:28PM
New hourly holidays,     So as full timer over 5 days I normally get 34 days per year, now as it's done hourly and I work 8.45 hrs per day. I'm not entitled to the 34 days. Is this correct? On pay slip saying allowance 237.5 entitlement. ( yet colleagues is saying 241 hrs entitlement for samehrs and same amount of days.

How much holiday you get depends on length of service. I have not heard of anyone working 8.45 hours a day. A normal working day is 7.5. I assume you are small format and don't get breaks. If that is the case I don't think this entitles you to extra holidays, it should mean you get paid for breaks you don't have.
I'm full time on max holidays and I get 30 hols, 8 bank hols and a personal day. The hols and bank hols are now combined into hours but the personal day is still a personal day.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 15-12-21, 10:30AM
The holiday policy for pay last time I checked is based on whichever is the higher value over the last 6 months, your contracted pay or your average weekly pay. This was primarily to get around employers putting everyone on low hour contracts, giving them regular overtime and their holiday pay being what their contracted pay is.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 23-01-22, 10:20AM
I'm interested in how you arrive at that from the existing structure. What happened to the front end Team Supports and what were they offered? We have four TS covering checkouts, CSD & PFS etc and only one is full time (doing four earlies and a day shift). The remainder do a mix of earlies, days, pm shifts (15-24), short evenings (eg 18-24) and Sunday (08-17), all doing the same shifts each week.

As I understand it the new structure shift leaders are on Express style any 5 shifts out of 7 days contracts - do they do nights or does this generally have its own structure?
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That may be the aim of the new structure in Extras, however that is not what the new structure will look like in a lot of Superstores.
The store I'm currently in goes to the following:

1 Team manager covering Frontend -Checkouts, Self-serve, SAYS,CSD,PFS,Community & Trollies
1Team Manager covering Fresh- Produce, Dairy, Meat, Bakery/Plant Bread, Grab & Go & Cash office
1 Team Manager looking after the rest- Grocery,HH, BWS,Frozen, H&B,Non Food,Clothing, Warehouse, seasonal, Stock Control & Wages/Admin
1 Team manager on nights/PI

Then the equivalent of Shift Leaders to cover 24/7 a week!
And no Team Support on frontend or any Lead team apart from the SM.

On top of that we are down for C&C in the new year which won't have a permanent manager/Team support or Shift leader looking after the initial 12 weeks!
It will go to either the Team manager looking after Frontend or Ambient!

Oh and I forgot 1 Team Manager sat in the Phone Shop, playing games and updating their social media pages.
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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 24-01-22, 01:24AM
Just from curiousity  ( work and pay balance) I am wondering is it worth to pick up shift  leader role in superstore.


Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: forrestgimp on 24-01-22, 08:52AM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 23-01-22, 10:20AM

Oh and I forgot 1 Team Manager sat in the Phone Shop, playing games and updating their social media pages.

I find it amusing that a manager is complaining about another manager playing on their mobile phone and updating their facebook. I mean managers are not exactly run off their feet are they when they spend 90% of their time in the admin office chatting and in the SMs office when its their day off day dreaming of it being their office.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: adamski26 on 26-01-22, 02:48AM
Unless you have Lead Mgrs - in Extra & Large Superstore, then all other formats Team Managers report to the Store Manager.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 26-01-22, 07:08PM
The shift leaders should report to the SM if they could get any.    (-*-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: AudiTTman on 02-02-22, 07:23PM
The whole management structure is ridiculous, in some stores there are managers managing 6 or 7 colleagues being managed by 1 team manager and then you have a fresh and a checkout manager managing 7x as many but getting either the same or less pay than them! Ridiculous!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 11:36AM
Quote from: AudiTTman on 02-02-22, 07:23PM
The whole management structure is ridiculous, in some stores there are managers managing 6 or 7 colleagues being managed by 1 team manager and then you have a fresh and a checkout manager managing 7x as many but getting either the same or less pay than them! Ridiculous!

Thats why I left the role of a Dotcom manager, I was orgianlly over the drivers, with a team support. Team support stood down with the last round of structures changes and could not blame the fella. So i went from managing 64 drivers, including click and collect colleagues on my own, for the picking role to be given also to me as the picking managers couldnt cope with the role and what it was going throught at the time, so 64 colleagues orgianly to near 140 colleagues with only 2 shift leaders whilst the picking manager role took forever to fill and other managers only stepping in for a week at a time.

Complete and under ballix if you ask me. Colleagues think they have been hard done by, managers in retail get analy f***ed over daily.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 03-02-22, 12:28PM
What department are you on now Imbackbaby?

Getting royally f***ed by Tos0s is a regular occurrence, they will keep on going at you until you cannot stand it any more, either go off with stress or leave.

It's that simple.

No matter how much money you're being paid, it's not worth lining the pockets of the generally greedy lazy fat cat store managers and directors who lets face it don't give a s**t about the customers or colleagues but only about getting themselves a blue review so they'll get more money.

It's all greedy and selfish and one day the colleagues will wise up and stop doing all the little extras like staying on for free etc.

Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 11:36AM
Quote from: AudiTTman on 02-02-22, 07:23PM
The whole management structure is ridiculous, in some stores there are managers managing 6 or 7 colleagues being managed by 1 team manager and then you have a fresh and a checkout manager managing 7x as many but getting either the same or less pay than them! Ridiculous!

Thats why I left the role of a Dotcom m 8-)anager, I was orgianlly over the drivers, with a team support. Team support stood down with the last round of structures changes and could not blame the fella. So i went from managing 64 drivers, including click and collect colleagues on my own, for the picking role to be given also to me as the picking managers couldnt cope with the role and what it was going throught at the time, so 64 colleagues orgianly to near 140 colleagues with only 2 shift leaders whilst the picking manager role took forever to fill and other managers only stepping in for a week at a time.

Complete and under ballix if you ask me. Colleagues think they have been hard done by, managers in retail get analy f***ed over daily.

If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 03-02-22, 05:05PM
Our superstore has just lost nights replen in the latest round, but there's been no mention of a restructure of the existing management of SM, Lead, plus 5.5 managers going to the SM plus 3/4 plus Shift Leaders setup.

Do we think that losing nights is enough for the moment, or is the management restructure just around the corner for us? It'd make sense as I can't see any of the existing managers being too thrilled with midnight finishes or 0500 starts, whereas Shift Leaders opening and closing with the managers doing 0700-1600, ins and lates til 2200 as at the moment makes far more sense.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Prisoner14 on 03-02-22, 08:08PM
Does anyone know what's happening with the senior team in superstores who don't have a job role & sit upstairs all day unless they go to the coffee shop,  they lost their role last year but they won't make them redundant either how long are they going to pay these people to do nothing?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 03-02-22, 08:25PM
 8-) been asking the same question for the last ten+ years  8-)

Trouble with senior team managers, is that most have individually negotiated pay contracts...one in my old store, who used to be a store manager and stepped back to senior team, retained the SM salary with negotiation. They earn more than the resident GSM without the responsibility, and does duty every other Sunday!! Earns more on a Sunday, than most GA 's per week on part time hours!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Prisoner14 on 03-02-22, 08:37PM
Honestly the amount of money they would save if they paid redundancy to get rid would be worth it . The moral would be better & the management team would actually talk to each other . Because her click gang would be gone .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 09:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM


If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.

Yup, and good thing you told me that because I really give a toss what you and other GA's think.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 10:08PM
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 09:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM


If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.

Yup, and good thing you told me that because I really give a toss what you and other GA's think.

Remember: without us, you're nothing. Just another loser in a cheap suit, sitting on his fat backside while the real workers do the stuff that actually matters. Even the morons at head officer are finally catching on to just how much deadweight there is in management.

But don't worry. If the worst comes to the worst, you can always find another job that suits the skillset you have developed as a Tesco manager.

We'll always need someone to clean the toilets.  ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 04-02-22, 07:19AM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 03-02-22, 05:05PM
Our superstore has just lost nights replen in the latest round, but there's been no mention of a restructure of the existing management of SM, Lead, plus 5.5 managers going to the SM plus 3/4 plus Shift Leaders setup.

Do we think that losing nights is enough for the moment, or is the management restructure just around the corner for us? It'd make sense as I can't see any of the existing managers being too thrilled with midnight finishes or 0500 starts, whereas Shift Leaders opening and closing with the managers doing 0700-1600, ins and lates til 2200 as at the moment makes far more sense.

As a superstore with no night shift the managers have been doing the 5am starts, and for us it's 2330 finishes, for years. We get used to anything in time. Grocery manager does five close down shifts a wk. Others are shared. It's hard when he is on holiday but extra hard when he is on holiday and somebody goes sick. It's a maths thing, whole shifts as only manager in the building. It is what it is though, very busy.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-02-22, 09:57AM
@Prisoner14 I wonder if we work in the same store? Sounds exactly like our store... As soon as we find out they are on holiday the atmosphere improves massively and when the time comes for them show their face (Halley's Comet makes more of an appearance  ;)) out come the ar5e kissers throwing their weight around like a child denied their sweets.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Ahsda on 06-02-22, 02:56AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 10:08PM
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 09:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM


If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.

Yup, and good thing you told me that because I really give a toss what you and other GA's think.

Remember: without us, you're nothing. Just another loser in a cheap suit, sitting on his fat backside while the real workers do the stuff that actually matters. Even the morons at head officer are finally catching on to just how much deadweight there is in management.

But don't worry. If the worst comes to the worst, you can always find another job that suits the skillset you have developed as a Tesco manager.

We'll always need someone to clean the toilets.  ;)

Lol you sound like a complete geek that can't get a better job and just moan about people that get paid more than you...
Yeah managers get paid more than us but we also have the choice to do their job, and we choose not to because...well why would I for minimum extra money.
So, unless I'm going to make a change I'll just get on with it,

Also what's wrong with cleaning the toilets? Is it beneath you?

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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hophop on 06-02-22, 09:34AM
It's hilarious that u edit the above guys post but leave vlads alone
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: spike_pkh on 06-02-22, 07:14PM
Just typical for this site, manager bashing/laughing at management redundancy etc is perfectly fine it seems, forgetting that managers are people too.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: tescopleb on 06-02-22, 10:50PM
Yes Managers are people too but thanks to Tosco's successful application of divide and rule too many of them forgot they are just bigger fish in a small pond. So we have the situation we find ourselves in where those who thought they where better than the
GA population have just discovered that tosco don't  agree.and it's a big shock for them. I feel for the many decent managers who are affected but we all know of genuine horror stories and that's the problem.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: DrunkenKong on 06-02-22, 11:09PM
Do you remember when management restructure took place each year.  Normally I see store operational structure change than management few months later.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-02-22, 11:27PM
Quote from: spike_pkh on 06-02-22, 07:14PM
Just typical for this site, manager bashing/laughing at management redundancy etc is perfectly fine it seems, forgetting that managers are people too.

It's justified most of the time unfortunately, the employment tribunal cases speaks for themselves.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: horatiocain on 07-02-22, 08:21PM
The problem is thatcmanagement within Tesco is a corrupt industry.
And the way they treat the good managers is a testament to why people treat them with derision, they tend to deserve it, I've had just a handful of managers with any skl, out of the hundreds I've dealt with, less than 5 were actually skilled and capable  and they all left Tesco for a better job where the rest of their team are not inept lazy feckless wastes of space.

That doesn't mean GAs are all great  many of then are lazy  but it pales in comparison
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 07-02-22, 08:27PM
Quote from: Ahsda on 06-02-22, 02:56AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 10:08PM
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 09:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM


If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.

Yup, and good thing you told me that because I really give a toss what you and other GA's think.

Remember: without us, you're nothing. Just another loser in a cheap suit, sitting on his fat backside while the real workers do the stuff that actually matters. Even the morons at head officer are finally catching on to just how much deadweight there is in management.

But don't worry. If the worst comes to the worst, you can always find another job that suits the skillset you have developed as a Tesco manager.

We'll always need someone to clean the toilets.  ;)

Lol you sound like a complete geek that can't get a better job and just moan about people that get paid more than you...
Yeah managers get paid more than us but we also have the choice to do their job, and we choose not to because...well why would I for minimum extra money.
So, unless I'm going to make a change I'll just get on with it,

Also what's wrong with cleaning the toilets? Is it beneath you?

edited to remove personal insults

Is English not your first language, or do you have learning difficulties? If you wish to respond to my posts, please make the effort to write coherently. 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 07-02-22, 08:29PM
Quote from: spike_pkh on 06-02-22, 07:14PM
Just typical for this site, manager bashing/laughing at management redundancy etc is perfectly fine it seems, forgetting that managers are people too.

I refer you to my previous comment regarding the World's Smallest Violin... ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hophop on 08-02-22, 10:09AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 07-02-22, 08:27PM
Quote from: Ahsda on 06-02-22, 02:56AM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 10:08PM
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 03-02-22, 09:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 03-02-22, 01:29PM


If you listen really carefully, you might just be able to make out the GA's playing the world's smallest violin for you.

Yup, and good thing you told me that because I really give a toss what you and other GA's think.

Remember: without us, you're nothing. Just another loser in a cheap suit, sitting on his fat backside while the real workers do the stuff that actually matters. Even the morons at head officer are finally catching on to just how much dead weight there is in management.

But don't worry. If the worst comes to the worst, you can always find another job that suits the skillset you have developed as a Tesco manager.

We'll always need someone to clean the toilets.  ;)

Lol you sound like a complete geek that can't get a better job and just moan about people that get paid more than you...
Yeah managers get paid more than us but we also have the choice to do their job, and we choose not to because...well why would I for minimum extra money.
So, unless I'm going to make a change I'll just get on with it,

Also what's wrong with cleaning the toilets? Is it beneath you?

edited to remove personal insults

Is English not your first language, or do you have learning difficulties? If you wish to respond to my posts, please make the effort to write coherently. 8-)
Oh look vlads insulting other forum users and mods as per usual are nowhere to be seen. And yet if was anyone else mods would have been all over it editing their posts  in record time. I'm guessing vlad is an alt account of the mods
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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Paupers wage on 08-02-22, 11:31AM
Well said administrator this forum is for the unheard soon to be minimum wage
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
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Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Redshoes on 12-02-22, 06:47AM
I keep hearing that they can't afford redundancies now. The stock control one was a disaster for many stores but the impact of the compliance/personnel was minimal to stores. With that in mind I suspect it will be targeted roles removed in stores and it could be that it's done store by store.
Some of the big extra stores have more than one GM manager and reduced electrical. The extra near me has three GM managers. They only have one checkout manager with a much higher head count of colleague. They still also have a produce manager, a dmp manager, a counters manager and a bakery manager.
I think that as has happened before. The managers have to do the work to move hours, let go of a lot of very good temps. These tasks are not nice, a manager that enjoys doing this should re-think what they do for @ living. Anyway, my point being is that the managers deliver the restructure because they have to but then afterwards they find themselves on the firing line too. I think it's coming but I think it will be targeted roles.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: londoner83 on 12-02-22, 09:24AM
It's obvious the long term plan is to remove nights from as many stores as possible and replace many team managers with cheaper shift leaders. However as the person above posted I believe it will done over years on a store by store basis rather than in one big hit.

Too many night crews and team managers would willingly take redundancy if offered and the business is wary of another stock control disaster where too many experienced people left and stores literally fell over with only untrained newbies left to pick up the pieces. Also is there really a army of recruits out there seeking twilight job opportunities.

As soon as the public accept it, can easily see manned tills being consigned to history and we move to self serve or Amazon style technology. In terms of cost savings ending the role of cashier would save Tesco millions.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Totot on 12-02-22, 12:12PM
It show in financial statement tesco cash flow down significantly. Probably got to do with lower the debt, and possible because they have to, not they want to. But this is after selling some asset and long investment, so in short, tesco a little bit skint with cash, and redundancy probably would never happened. Either that or sell more asset or investment or taking new loan.

Borrowing large amount of money for covering operation will send negative vibe to tesco stock price quickly.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-02-22, 12:59PM
Really don't know how they can justify reducing total hours for Shift Leaders in Express by cutting off the part timer, a lot of Expresses have a massive retention problem for shift leaders, reducing the presence of them further will just exacerbate existing operational issues. The whole point of the DSM = 1.5 shift leader conversion was precisely to put more feet on the shop floor to alleviate managerial workload and improve service, reneging on that essentially means it was a planned long term cost cutting exercise.

At this point, with all the other changes Tesco are making to the structure, a lot of the managers may as well pack it in and become a bin man, they'd be paid more quite frankly and have to put up with less s***.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021,
Post by: lucgeo on 12-02-22, 01:42PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 12-02-22, 09:24AM
Too many night crews and team managers would willingly take redundancy if offered and the business is wary of another stock control disaster where too many experienced people left and stores literally fell over with only untrained newbies left to pick up the pieces. Also is there really a army of recruits out there seeking twilight job opportunities.

Head office thought that by making all deliveries electronic, and taking over the ordering centrally, it somehow made stock control surplus to requirements?? The SM and senior team in my store underestimated the importance of the role of us stockies...called on by SM every time to help with all hands, finish night fill, checkouts, rumble etc..." get SC on it, all they do all day is walk round with a piece of paper in their hands!!" Wonder who the Wally gets to do it all now?? All but one of our SC took redundancy, the one left had been there only a short time, on a 16 hour contract, lacking any experience or real knowledge about the job.

Dare say the daily routine of wiping stock off in the morning, only to arrive next day to find it all counted back on by "somebody" to avoid shrink, as they definitely know it's in the warehouse!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 12-02-22, 07:51PM
We can't even kep our s*** staff they are all leaving for proper jobs paying the same money but mon-fri hours and 30+ contracted hours as well.
Tesco need to find a way of making the s*** job, s*** hours more enticing.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 12-02-22, 10:28PM
Stock control has been done wrong for past 25 years when I was a stock controller back in the 90 s we fully counted shopfloor and ware house every morning job 1 and job3 we corrected shelf capacities if needed and if out of stock we scanned as out of stock might have been long winded but never got stock problems we get today.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mrbline on 13-02-22, 09:06AM
Is that how job 14 got its names each job was its task to do through out the day
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 13-02-22, 09:59AM
Yes it is and job 14 seems to be the one job that has kept its number so to speak.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 13-02-22, 02:51PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 12-02-22, 10:28PM
Stock control has been done wrong for past 25 years when I was a stock controller back in the 90 s we fully counted shopfloor and ware house every morning job 1 and job3 we corrected shelf capacities if needed and if out of stock we scanned as out of stock might have been long winded but never got stock problems we get today.

The reduction of staff  over the years coupled with not ring fencing stock control, P.I, and merchandising, plus losing dept hours has resulted in the chaos of shrink and stock problems!
There's so much needed to conclude each task, that by continuing to take people off their departments to cover, creates more problems with a knock on affect that nothing, which is deemed necessary for the job to be done properly, is completed!
Mapping is done and entered, but then called to cover, so the labels don't get put out. Next day capacity checks and mapping to change the facings as a few products discontinued...go to get the labels but not all have printed off as the person yesterday mapped some with same facings so not re printed!! Find out half way through, so request re prints, go to get them but either dragged on a checkout, no paper in printer, somebody's gone off with them along with their own...or the checkout manager has binned them because the workstation is untidy, but "whilst your stood there doing nothing, jump on a till"  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021,
Post by: VladPutin on 13-02-22, 05:56PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 12-02-22, 01:42PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 12-02-22, 09:24AM
Too many night crews and team managers would willingly take redundancy if offered and the business is wary of another stock control disaster where too many experienced people left and stores literally fell over with only untrained newbies left to pick up the pieces. Also is there really a army of recruits out there seeking twilight job opportunities.

Head office thought that by making all deliveries electronic, and taking over the ordering centrally, it somehow made stock control surplus to requirements?? The SM and senior team in my store underestimated the importance of the role of us stockies...called on by SM every time to help with all hands, finish night fill, checkouts, rumble etc..." get SC on it, all they do all day is walk round with a piece of paper in their hands!!" Wonder who the Wally gets to do it all now?? All but one of our SC took redundancy, the one left had been there only a short time, on a 16 hour contract, lacking any experience or real knowledge about the job.

Dare say the daily routine of wiping stock off in the morning, only to arrive next day to find it all counted back on by "somebody" to avoid shrink, as they definitely know it's in the warehouse!

One of the worst decisions to ever come out of head office. And that's really saying something! :o
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 13-02-22, 06:29PM
But when many people at the time protested the reply was along the lines of the company is now to big to do stock control at local level, we have this amazing highly educated and trained team who will be able to sort it all out for you, donkeys years later and its still a mess.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 13-02-22, 09:05PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Pda-smith on 14-02-22, 04:20PM
Just came out of a meeting now with store manager and a note taker regarding redundancies.
Jist of it  - hoping to prioritise relocation of staff over redundancies by way of protected pay for x number of months.
But also a free pack of hobnobs subject to years of service, with a signed , laminated picture of Ken Murphy. Pretty happy with that.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Superscatty on 14-02-22, 10:17PM
I really feel for people with prospect of new contracts and new roles. Hoping everyone gets roles and hours they are okay with. Good luck everyone. It happened to my department three years ago on counters. I am still with Tesco thank goodness
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 15-02-22, 05:47PM
thank goodness  ??? ??? ??? :-X
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 15-02-22, 07:59PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 12-02-22, 10:28PM
Stock control has been done wrong for past 25 years when I was a stock controller back in the 90 s we fully counted shopfloor and ware house every morning job 1 and job3 we corrected shelf capacities if needed and if out of stock we scanned as out of stock might have been long winded but never got stock problems we get today.

Stock control will almost certainly be the next department to go. Centre already calculates(wrongly)and allocates stock levels. All we need now is for some, "genius" at head office to come up with the idea of PR and counts being done by managers and GA's for their own departments. After all, it's not like we're busy or anything. 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 15-02-22, 08:35PM
Quote from: Superscatty on 14-02-22, 10:17PM
I really feel for people with prospect of new contracts and new roles. Hoping everyone gets roles and hours they are okay with. Good luck everyone. It happened to my department three years ago on counters. I am still with Tesco thank goodness

:o Wow!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lessforlife on 15-02-22, 08:52PM
Does anybody have any more information regarding the redundancy process, not heard anymore since we were told our night fill is going thanks
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 16-02-22, 08:20AM
Our night team going. Mostly over 50s so loads likely to take redundancy. Biggest annoyance is having no info on day shift replenishment shifts. Everytime we ask what's happening told don't listen to gossip and by the way we've not got a clue what's happening. I'll happily take redundancy since I'll get at least 14 months salary if my calculations are correct. Feel for the younger ones and those in early forties as they will need to stay on if even they are struggling with early starts and late finishes. Most folk do night shifts by necessity and in my case is to cover kids getting to school and sports. Area manager came in. Lovely guy and I actually chatted with him a while. Same message. Keep asking questions. Same answers. No bloody idea.
Tesco looks so unprofessional in announcing the night shift going and having no info for those affected bar will try to get you jobs during the day. I'm lucky I'm not bad financially but it's the lack of info and uncertainty which means I can't plan feck all after May the 1st. Jobs going is stressful at the best of times but info like when can we get a new job and still get redundancy should have been issued when they announced night shift was going. Two day shift managers already looking for other jobs. I can see only two loyal female managers staying. This is not going to be pretty come July in the store. Rumours also store managers now to cover two medium size stores.
Capitalism. Why are folk so blind to how much its screwing them. Loyalty and reward for hard work are now consigned to the history books.
I so feel for youngsters nowadays coming into the jobs market. I used to moan about them being snowflakes but even I as an old fart have to admit I'd be getting stressed going into the jobs market as a school leaver. I hope all the decent guys and gals get what they need. They don't deserve this. The lazy ones can go do one.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: General Thorn on 16-02-22, 12:18PM
Agree completely with above post.

My store lost a third of it's staff 3 years ago and was a complete shambles as we are a very busy store. Had to have colleagues and managers from other stores coming and helping out for months afterwards. We're still an absolute joke as core hours are seemingly so low that overtime is used to fill shifts. If the shift is not filled then it's a shrug of the shoulders, we tried, or the shift leader has to step in and do what they can on top of all their other duties. Labels is a particular favourite as sometimes they have over 300 to do.

Our newest colleagues have been very young, some still at school and some doing college or uni courses. They are pressured into doing overtime and end up working 6 even 7 days. I feel so sorry for them as they really are used but need money whilst they are studying.

In the past few months, we've lost about 10 colleagues but only now are they advertising for 2 replacements and we are busier than ever  ??? :-X
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 16-02-22, 01:32PM
The thing is, Tesco can keep cutting, as long as there's an army of students and kiddies who don't mind being exploited for a tuppence an hour, the business will remain profitable.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: grim up north on 16-02-22, 06:42PM
You missed another group of people NightAndDay, especially in distribution
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 16-02-22, 08:04PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 16-02-22, 01:32PM
The thing is, Tesco can keep cutting, as long as there's an army of students and kiddies who don't mind being exploited for a tuppence an hour, the business will remain profitable.

It's going the way of McDonald's part time low hours and they don't care if people stay or not.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lackofinterest on 16-02-22, 10:55PM
going?? they've already gone!!  >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: General Thorn on 17-02-22, 01:58PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 16-02-22, 01:32PM
The thing is, Tesco can keep cutting, as long as there's an army of students and kiddies who don't mind being exploited for a tuppence an hour, the business will remain profitable.

That may be workable in a city setting but when you're in a small town you run out of available youngsters and adults very, very quickly! Another thing Tesco has to face up to, is not everyone is eager to work for them. In a small town, people have seen how their friends and family employed by the company have been, and still are being treated, and really do not want to work for them.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 17-02-22, 04:35PM
Tesco and other similar jobs expect and depend on high staff turnover, it is an industry designed to be bad. The thing about small town settings is that while there may be a smaller population, there also tends to be a smaller economy. I know many a store manager who abuse the reality of the economy to bypass disciplinary and investigation processes. Rather than go for a lets talk, he'd just say, "It's either Tesco or the dole queues."
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 17-02-22, 08:10PM
Problem is plenty of jobs around right now and therefore managers taking such an approach might well find staff saying "fine I'll go elsewhere then" and best of luck to any staff who do.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 18-02-22, 05:09PM
There is, but not in small towns away from the South. the economy is booming and it is a job seekers market, but not in areas that have always been economically deprived (The north East and most of Scotland) Tesco, poundland or the dole queues are a reality in many of these places.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hellohello on 20-02-22, 03:27AM
See consultation meetings notes attached
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 20-02-22, 07:56AM
 8-) Think that's a big thanks to you, from all those going through this change  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lessforlife on 20-02-22, 08:01AM
Thanks for the info really helpful. May I just ask a question does anyone know what time the night window starts and finishes please?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Johnzo88 on 20-02-22, 08:28AM
Nightshift is 10pm-7am usually. Although the Nightshift rate is only paid between midnight and 6am.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lessforlife on 20-02-22, 08:37AM
Thank you, I just wanted to check as I only work 2 nights one is a full night shift but the othe I start earlier and finish at 3.30am. I am just working out if I do 50% of my hours on nights thanks again.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 20-02-22, 02:38PM
They say they're having recruitment challenges on nights so rather than make pay more enticing they cut the whole operation, the amount of work that's done on nights is hugely underestimated by Tesco, they'd rather save some money at the expense of a massive operations deficit, they think the customers won't notice the massive drop in availability and standards. This is a prime example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Many Express stores are already struggling with incompetent Shift Leaders/ Shift Leader shortages, cutting off the night operation and getting rid of the part time SL will basically make already suffering stores a massive red, blue and white bin.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Eskimo 2 on 20-02-22, 03:34PM
I think it goes to show how big the divide is between head office and stores.  Most of those in the office have no experience and are dictated to by figures which results in the stores struggling. 
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: penguin on 20-02-22, 04:54PM
QuoteMany Express stores are already struggling with incompetent Shift Leaders/ Shift Leader shortages, cutting off the night operation and getting rid of the part time SL will basically make already suffering stores a massive red, blue and white bin.

Express shift leader shortage is massive in my local area, my local express has got through several over the last year, 2 stepped down, 1 walked and 1 was removed from the job after shall we say it went to her head and she was acting as if she ran the whole company, although a fair question would be how did she end up in the job to start with.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatlad on 20-02-22, 05:27PM
NightAndDay, similar thing happening in our store. We are massively short on dotcom drivers but instead of recruiting they are reducing the size of the operation  8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 20-02-22, 11:09PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 20-02-22, 02:38PM
They say they're having recruitment challenges on nights so rather than make pay more enticing they cut the whole operation, the amount of work that's done on nights is hugely underestimated by Tesco, they'd rather save some money at the expense of a massive operations deficit, they think the customers won't notice the massive drop in availability and standards. This is a prime example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Many Express stores are already struggling with incompetent Shift Leaders/ Shift Leader shortages, cutting off the night operation and getting rid of the part time SL will basically make already suffering stores a massive red, blue and white bin.

The night operation face up the store for ages. The dotcom trash it. The store lies like a bin for hours until the night crew start.  The customers won't see much difference. Was in an express today wasn't that busy but some daft ga had decked some juice. Was a right pain in the arse walking down the aisle. No night fill in busy express with narrow aisle yet night crew in busy extra stores with wide aisles. The express need night fill before the extras. Never understand the decking either. Is it not just double handling of stock.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mr Brightside 24 on 21-02-22, 07:06AM
For stores closing overnight what happens to PI, as they would usually have from 3.30 am to start batch 2/promo ends etc but won't be able to start until 5/6 or whatever time the first manager arrives?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 21-02-22, 08:25AM
It would probably come under the % of your hours, for buy out or pay protection, I would assume, and your hours moved into the day shifts  ???

Really can't see this working, the cage allocations on aisles will need to be reinstalled, so that's all the OFD's going, but will be a godsend for SC looking to instore missing stock, because a manager's moved it AGAIN!!

Give it six months, and night teams will be reinstated, all with flexi staff on new contracts and no premium rates!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-02-22, 08:43AM
They won't get rid of night premium, least of all because there are some Expresses that are 24/7 Esso Alliance fuel sites, their contract with Esso means it has to stay open 24/7.

Also these stores make far too much money overnight to warrant shutting shop.

Also in the letter they touted night working as "undesirable" and they were having "significant recruitment challenges" offering flexi contracts for night vacancies with no premiums will just make it even more challenging for them to fill, especially as every competitor offers a premium.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: chris9997 on 21-02-22, 11:32AM
what makes getting night staff more difficult is the significant difference in pay  for tesco night and day staff considering what other retailers /industries are paying the £9.55/£11.75 (the £11.55 is the payment per hour 12-6am)is easily obtainable elsewhere for less stressful work.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 21-02-22, 02:19PM
Add to this, getting the night manager to stay 2-3 hours past their finish time was endemic, plenty of night managers on 36.5 hour contracts did 50 hours a week as a norm. Getting rid of the entire night operation will be operational suicide. As others have said, it's a matter of when, not if they will be reinstated. The question is how soon will it be that after Tesco gets caught with their trousers down and spanked by the customer that head office concludes that they were hitting the crack pipe a bit too hard when they made the decision.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 21-02-22, 02:44PM
Quote from: chris9997 on 21-02-22, 11:32AM
what makes getting night staff more difficult is the significant difference in pay  for tesco night and day staff considering what other retailers /industries are paying the £9.55/£11.75 (the £11.55 is the payment per hour 12-6am)is easily obtainable elsewhere for less stressful work.

True, it is the amount of companies paying same or more for less stressful work.  Plenty still paying time and a half and double at weekend.  It's the weekend workers that are getting shafted the most.  I know places giving £15-20 for light unskilled labour weekend day shift.  If you are prepared to do nights you can add another 30% again.  Look around! :)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 21-02-22, 10:23PM
Already starting to see the effects in my store. And it's not pretty. Some zombies have handed in their notice already, before formal consultations have even started. Which has of course resulted in lots of stock being handed over to day shift because nights don't have the staff to work it.

At this rate, they won't have enough zombies left to staff a twilight shift. And that's before we factor in the problems caused by the epic levels of incompetence at the DC's. We received a delivery last night that included a dozen cases with today's display date. 8-)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lordadmiral on 22-02-22, 12:51AM
Agency workers will fill in all gaps when main crew go. Plenty African imigrants are in need of a job.
Don't be surprised if Tesco will be heavily outsourcing workforce but not sure how it will work.
We have some agency workers who do not speak English much.
And productivity is extremamly low, for example we need to deck (before you go on your own aisle) 3 cages of delivery for tea/coffee, crackers, biscuits for them and they can't fill it.
We will loose BWS (and night lead mgr) and if it will be taken over by agency twilight team then we can expect massive drop in sale.

I am not surprised Tesco want to cut costs for all cost.
In 2015 when i had to step down our store was on average 750k a week.(give a take some 30k)
Todays sale is similar but when i look at the prices today and then then it's obvious that sales by volume is down.

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 22-02-22, 02:31PM
[mod]Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).[/mod]

Sales are down many have gone to discounters nearby or been made redundant at Tesco and decided to go elsewhere.  If you work in the same store all the time you notice even during busy periods you are getting less stock. They may even be making the same turnover but that 750k would've bought you a lot more 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 22-02-22, 03:29PM
Years ago when there was just a day fill team, they used to have a top up delivery some days, and a top up team, who came in about 4pm to put the delivery out. The shelves were always replenished and the queues for a full bank of checkouts went right down the aisles!!




Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Iusedtoenjoywork on 22-02-22, 06:32PM
Im on holiday when my first consultation meeting is likely to be scheduled. What's the process for that? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 22-02-22, 07:05PM
They are running the company into the ground .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 22-02-22, 08:25PM
Quote from: Iusedtoenjoywork on 22-02-22, 06:32PM
Im on holiday when my first consultation meeting is likely to be scheduled. What's the process for that? Anyone know?

LOL let them have it in your absence supplying you with your redundancy figures.

Why are people handing in notice before redundancy pay.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: 5fdp on 23-02-22, 11:33AM
Not everyone gets a good redundancy payment, some might only come out with a couple of grand. They might think its better to get a job thats going right now than wait and take the risk that they may not get a new job for a month or two. Remember they then might be up against everyone else who took redundancy for a job. Everyone is in a different mindset as to whether or not redundancy is for them.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-02-22, 12:13PM
It'a an employees market right now, it makes good economic sense in most cases to take the money and run, especially if you're near retirement. The only time it doesn't make sense is if you haven't put in enough years or you live in Scotland or the North East where there never are any jobs.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 23-02-22, 01:12PM
I'm in Scotland. We've had 5 members of night shift put their notice in, and the consultations haven't even started yet.

Senior team in my store are bricking it because there so few zombies left, night shift are handing over shed-loads of stock to be worked by Days. The store looks like a bin every morning now, and things will only get worse.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 23-02-22, 05:20PM
Worse case you'll get a full time night job in Asda. But if your happy to work weekend don't settle for under £15 an hour. For light labour this is easily obtainable. Tesco is not the hardest but it is not the easiest either. Nowhere is getting better so why not improve your salary.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 23-02-22, 05:45PM
Tesco deserve all they get nothing but cut backs over past 5 years they think they are doing well because sales are up just think if they had staff who cared because they had full time jobs they would take more money and would give better customer service.people who only have a few hours a week don't care .
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 24-02-22, 02:42PM
Quote from: TESLA on 23-02-22, 05:20PM
Worse case you'll get a full time night job in Asda. But if your happy to work weekend don't settle for under £15 an hour. For light labour this is easily obtainable. Tesco is not the hardest but it is not the easiest either. Nowhere is getting better so why not improve your salary.

Working a night shift on a Saturday at Tesco used to give just under that, circa £14-£15 (time and a half and better night premium rates for 10pm-midnight) an hour, which at the time is worth a lot more than £15 an hour now.

My current job is light work anyway 37.5 hours a week Mon-Fri, but if I am required to work a weekend, it's always under an overtime arrangement at a rate of £79.62 an hour which is fast becoming worthless due to rampant inflation.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: General Thorn on 24-02-22, 02:50PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 23-02-22, 05:45PM
Tesco deserve all they get nothing but cut backs over past 5 years they think they are doing well because sales are up just think if they had staff who cared because they had full time jobs they would take more money and would give better customer service.people who only have a few hours a week don't care .
Totally agree Hammer10.

In my store, you hear that a lot "I used to care but not any more" and it's so sad to see good workers' work ethic eroded to such a point. I'm always saying, just think how much more profit this store could make if there were more colleagues in all parts of the store, but then am given a blank look by management. It's not as if any of us are paid a great fortune.

Checkouts have queues forming as there is only one or two open, S/S is not for everybody but also has long queues with only one colleague trying to deal with customers and also manage break cover. No wonder there are so many walkoffs and so much theft as people know we are so stretched.

Fresh has back stock cages unworked as the few colleagues in the morning concentrate on delivery, then leave by 12. There is a huge gap before one person comes in and is expected to work the whole department as the heat map states 'no hours are available for produce in the afternoon/ evenings.' Unworked backstock equates to lots of waste.

The few grocery colleagues come in early evening to bare shelves and then can't manage all the delivery cages so every now and then, there's a call put out for everyone to have overtime on grocery.

Tesco seems to think that no-one shops after 2 in the afternoon and have totally lost their way.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 24-02-22, 08:43PM
A few late night customers, dotcomers and school kids is enough for the shelfs to be bare well before 2pm awaiting the night crews arrival its only lost custom and increased shrink. Seen better stocked one man bands!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 27-02-22, 01:39AM
Seems to be some discussion on what redundancy payments are based on. Does anybody know if its based on salary or as I've heard last 12 weeks worked. Very confused and frustrated night shiftvin my store.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: stockcontroller on 27-02-22, 03:34AM
When I went through the process during the stock control cull it was your base salary only included within it. No overtime or any flexi hours were included.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 27-02-22, 10:04PM
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 27-02-22, 01:39AM
Seems to be some discussion on what redundancy payments are based on. Does anybody know if its based on salary or as I've heard last 12 weeks worked. Very confused and frustrated night shiftvin my store.


Find the vlh redundancy calculator. End of the day you just want what people got previously.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mb4552 on 28-02-22, 05:56PM
Has anyone heard what is going to happen to PI and merchandising colleagues in stores affected  by the overnight closures. All we are hearing is we don't know anything from the managers, thanks.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nightworker on 28-02-22, 07:06PM
I believe it is based on your best months wage of the last 3 months worked. The figure you are given in consultation is based solely on core hours. However your actual redundancy is higher because all hours worked are included. They can't give you this figure because they don't know what it is at the time when your being given a figure of how much you will receive. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 28-02-22, 08:55PM
 :)
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hellohello on 03-03-22, 02:12AM
Attached second consultation meetings notes for everyone
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Mb4552 on 03-03-22, 04:08AM
Thank you for this information.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 03-03-22, 03:28PM
Thank you very much. Staff in my store totally in the dark. Whether that's deliberate is open to question.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 03-03-22, 03:54PM
  8-) Perhaps you could advise them to print off all the documents Hellohello has provided on the above post and previous post, then present them at their next meeting, so everyone is aware of what the rules are, and not just believe what BS the SM has drip fed to both managers and CA's alike  :thumbup:



Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-03-22, 04:03PM
SM can say and do what they want, they've removed the people from the position that would have held them to account and devolved it to the area manager, but colleague concerns and grievances would be at the bottom of their list of priorities, CAs and SLs are to be seen and not heard, otherwise you'll be construed as a troublemaker for not respecting the order of things and shall be harrassed out of the business.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: fatlad on 03-03-22, 07:40PM
Love the emails today. Let's go after it together & asking us to help Ukraine. Now I'm all for helping Ukraine but let's try helping colleagues instead by paying us a decent wage then we might be in a better position to help others. Bit of a cheek really.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: VladPutin on 03-03-22, 11:59PM
Given that my colleagues and I are not trying to find shelter in a city rapidly being turned into rubble by psychopaths who target civilians with artillery and tanks, I must disagree with your post.  8-)

And yes, I'm well aware of the irony of my username in regards to this post, so there's no reason to point it out. :D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Nomad on 04-03-22, 11:58AM
Let's not wander to far from the topic.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-22, 03:56PM
The new uniform is hideous!  :o but its going to be funny seeing managers wearing the exact same get up as regular colleagues.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 08-03-22, 04:54PM
No excuses that they'll get the white shirt creased now :question: >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: kaled78 on 08-03-22, 05:34PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-22, 03:56PM
The new uniform is hideous!  :o but its going to be funny seeing managers wearing the exact same get up as regular colleagues.

I thought the new managers uniform was a slightly darker blue than ga's?
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 08-03-22, 05:42PM
looks same to me :)

they will maybe get GA money too  >:D
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: madness on 08-03-22, 08:57PM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 08-03-22, 03:56PM
The new uniform is hideous!  :o but its going to be funny seeing managers wearing the exact same get up as regular colleagues.

I can assure you we all like it. get away from the horrible suit jackets that were about for years.

Trainers for us too and incognito look like a GA so less s*** from customers.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 09-03-22, 01:02AM
The new management uniform is indeed a darker blue. In fact, apart from a bit of red, it's identical to the outgoing smart navy shirts.

Back on topic I've heard a rumour a store near us is losing five managers?

Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 10-03-22, 08:32AM
I've heard that a store manager on our group has been tasked with finding and developing talent for management,i wonder if its tescos way of realising alot of managers are leaving and there worried about attracting external managers with the salaries they want to offer,internal promotiond will accept a lower salary most likely
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: NightAndDay on 10-03-22, 09:13AM
The problem in Express is that Shift Leaders aren't paid commensurately for the levels of accountability and responsibility pertaining to the role which is why there's a huge acknowledged problem of many Store Managers running duty shifts and not being able to properly fulfil their SM duties.

Until there's a significant uplift in Shift Leader wages this problem isn't going away.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Hammer10 on 10-03-22, 09:50AM
No way anyone in their right mind would go into Tesco management now the way staff are treated is a joke so the managers must be treated worse .The idiots in their ivory towers have no idea what goes on in stores they think it's all rosey after their royal visits but it's not stores not being filled shelves empty ,thieving by customers getting worse because they can't afford to pay the prices we charge .customers walking out because of queues. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 10-03-22, 10:33AM
I totally agree @hammer10 I'm one of the idiots still staying I seriously don't know why.

I'm stressed upto the eyeballs, no one gives a toss anymore, it's all a joke. The store manager is deluded and his senior team are too and they can't even see it.

I can't see a future in this anymore.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: FarmerFred on 10-03-22, 06:47PM
You know it's bad when significant numbers of managers are applying for the HGV apprenticeship....
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 10-03-22, 07:38PM
I enquired about the apprenticeship and never got any reply at the time. Maybe the managers wanted it themselves.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: FarmerFred on 10-03-22, 10:34PM
I think that the apprenticeship team were overwhelmed by the response!
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Tesc0Wow on 11-03-22, 01:17AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-03-22, 09:13AM
The problem in Express is that Shift Leaders aren't paid commensurately for the levels of accountability and responsibility pertaining to the role which is why there's a huge acknowledged problem of many Store Managers running duty shifts and not being able to properly fulfil their SM duties.

Until there's a significant uplift in Shift Leader wages this problem isn't going away.

I'm a shift leader in large format. The job is also drastically underpaid in my opinion. For example on a twilight I'm the only member of "management" in the shop for 6 hours. Along with holding duty, locking the store/pfs and alarming it all im running replenishment. It's so much and 12 months ago this was a managers job. Now the exact same role is for me as S/L. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy my job, I have a great team i work with and my store is nice. But twilights especially are very challenging.

What also annoys me is I'm paid the same as Team Support. I've done TS before and this is by no means the same job or anything similar, it's got so much more responsibility  and I also end up dealing with lots of front end stuff as duty such as the desk.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Hellohello on 11-03-22, 01:41AM
Collective consultation meetings 3 notes
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-22, 07:35AM
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 10-03-22, 08:32AM
I've heard that a store manager on our group has been tasked with finding and developing talent for management,i wonder if its tescos way of realising alot of managers are leaving and there worried about attracting external managers with the salaries they want to offer,internal promotiond will accept a lower salary most likely

They've done all this before..the senior team in stores that had trouble filling management roles in more remote or less popular stores, were at one time given "head hunter" cards, to give to staff in other retailers, if they thought that person was good at their job! The same when they opened store pharmacies, and went round trying to poach pharmacy staff!

Options, is no longer an option for most instore colleagues now, having seen the way the management responsibility roles have increased, the changes made to Team support T&C's and pay, and the way Options candidates have been used to cover departments at the busiest trading periods, with no extra pay, to then be told they didn't meet the grade, and try again in six months, but are then expected to take on more responsibility, as it's " good for their development " the next time they try for Options.

Tesco have become the victims of their own accepted bullying culture  :-X  :-X
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-03-22, 10:54AM
Tescos pay is no longer competitive, even at manager levels compared to the competition, the average Express Store Manager Salary outside of London is £35k a year, Team Managers are on average £25-£26k a year.

Compared to the competition, Co-op pays a higher starter rate for team managers than Tesco, Sainsbury's has a more broad management structure with the top CTM grades paying more than equivalently senior Team Manager roles, the average Sainsbury's convenience SM salary is £38k a year.

The reason why Tesco is having an exodus of managers is because their pay is no longer competitive compared to competitors, heck even some bin men earn more than the average SM, even in Sainsbury's.
Title: Re: Management restructure 2021
Post by: Teddybonkers on 11-03-22, 12:14PM
Quote from: Tesc0Wow on 11-03-22, 01:17AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-03-22, 09:13AM
The problem in Express is that Shift Leaders aren't paid commensurately for the levels of accountability and responsibility pertaining to the role which is why there's a huge acknowledged problem of many Store Managers running duty shifts and not being able to properly fulfil their SM duties.

Until there's a significant uplift in Shift Leader wages this problem isn't going away.

I'm a shift leader in large format. The job is also drastically underpaid in my opinion. For example on a twilight I'm the only member of "management" in the shop for 6 hours. Along with holding duty, locking the store/pfs and alarming it all im running replenishment. It's so much and 12 months ago this was a managers job. Now the exact same role is for me as S/L. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy my job, I have a great team i work with and my store is nice. But twilights especially are very challenging.

What also annoys me is I'm paid the same as Team Support. I've done TS before and this is by no means the same job or anything similar, it's got so much more responsibility  and I also end up dealing with lots of front end stuff as duty such as the desk.

"Good for your development" they'd say haha!

I don't understand why people come on here and continually moan about pay. Everyone knows the money in retail is c**p and you're gonna be exploited, no matter who you work for. Get a proper job if you need proper money. Nowadays, retail only works for students, housewives and the semi retired.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-03-22, 02:01PM
Nobody is arguing that,everyone knows Retail pay is exploitation, the main gripe everyone has is how the largest Retailer in the UK pays near the bottom compared to the competition, by what you describe your Shift Leader superstore role to entail you can get 33% more as a CTM at Sainsbury's.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 11-03-22, 02:41PM
Who cares
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Teddybonkers on 11-03-22, 03:17PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 11-03-22, 02:01PM
Nobody is arguing that,everyone knows Retail pay is exploitation, the main gripe everyone has is how the largest Retailer in the UK pays near the bottom compared to the competition, by what you describe your Shift Leader superstore role to entail you can get 33% more as a CTM at Sainsbury's.

So 33% of f*** all is still f*** all. OR go to Aldi / Lidl and physically destroy yourself for an extra pound an hour - that sound like a good idea. The difference between the best and worse are pennies - big deal !












Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 11-03-22, 03:28PM
I think it's a lot harder than it used to be.

There's far far less headcount now and far less overtime and far less of good people who actually care about the store and the results.

Which result in the shop looking pants the moral being at an all time low, but still "why isn't it done" rings in my ear.

Yet if the area manager is in guess what overtime available and a full bursting at the seams night shift. The whole thing is an absolute joke. When will the powers that be see this. It's not for the customer anymore it's for personal survival and for what? Probably profit.

It's not sustainable end of.

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 11-03-22, 03:43PM
Quote from: Teddybonkers on 11-03-22, 03:17PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 11-03-22, 02:01PM
Nobody is arguing that,everyone knows Retail pay is exploitation, the main gripe everyone has is how the largest Retailer in the UK pays near the bottom compared to the competition, by what you describe your Shift Leader superstore role to entail you can get 33% more as a CTM at Sainsbury's.

So 33% of f*** all is still f*** all. OR go to Aldi / Lidl and physically destroy yourself for an extra pound an hour - that sound like a good idea. The difference between the best and worse are pennies - big deal !

For a full time shift leader role compared to a CTM with equivalent responsibilities the difference is about £5-£6k a year, hardly f all.

For CA and lowly roles like that you're right but then again, the majority are either students or people in a stop gap, you're not going to get anyone busting a nut or giving a s*** for near enough minimum wage on part time hours.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 11-03-22, 04:06PM
Wouldn't bust a nut for Tesco 1 shift or 7 the wages are terrible in retail.  Nights get especially shafted numbers constantly dwindling so the SM can get bonus.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: OvaSees on 11-03-22, 06:29PM
There's a staggering contrast between Tesco and the Soviet Union under Brezhnev - as Soviet workers used to say, "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 11-03-22, 08:10PM
pretend to work ;D

Last time I was in Tesco the produce workers were running about and the managers were on the cameras making sure everyone is work as per the standard.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: madness on 12-03-22, 12:39AM
I think the gripe from both management and Ga in store is that we stayed open all pandemic. we had record sales ( all food retail)   and yet who are getting inflation busting wage rises. Office workers bankers IT people who took very little personal risk and were all paid to be at home for 3-6 months while we all took the risk ( and it really was a big unknown risk at the time) and now have no real reward on the other side.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 12-03-22, 08:51AM
Couldn't agree more @madness I think it's left a very bitter taste in our mouths.

Esp as head office also were and might still be "working from home".
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 12-03-22, 10:23AM
It sure isn't sustainable. Sainsburys and Asia both reinstated nightshifts so we know it doesn't work. Day and night staff dreading what's coming. Some don't care as long as they get paid others realise what's coming . I'm an old fart so not many years to go but feel for thirty somethings and early forty types if tesco is their main source of income. Will probably take redundancy money which is a years salary and work reduced hours elsewhere and spread my redundancy money over a few years. If folk can't see how capitalism is screwing them over then we're heading to a very bleak future in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 12-03-22, 10:29AM
by the way it doesn't matter what company you work for stores get theirs looking good for visits. Its a total sham and makes everybody feel good. I've worked for a few retailers and it's the same everywhere.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-03-22, 10:50AM
All of Retail is s*** with worsening benefits, unless you're a tarnished old hand waiting for the sweet release of redundancy or retirement, your priority should be to jump ship to whichever offers the best pay and work culture.

At the moment they're all s***, but the one that is less s*** than the others is Sainsbury's in my opinion. Or if you can drive, Ocado.

Tesco is currently bottom on pay rates (or at least will be when Icelands pay gets increased next month.)

A look at what everyone's paying.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/17682837/supermarket-wages-ranked-marks-and-spencers-pay-rise/
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: RocketRonnie100 on 12-03-22, 10:55AM
However the royal visits are a total sham, it's far more exciting when you get a call saying Mr J Tayl9r has just turned up, totally out of the blue and it looks wrecked ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Jeff123 on 12-03-22, 01:48PM
I would like to ask why are the company following a path of sexual discrimination, we are actively promoting females, ethnics, and minority's and holding up white male progression.
The senior management play games and lie at every opportunity all store and lead managers play games they backstab each other and actively undermine each other only to play nice and fake when face to face with each other.
The company is full of dishonest and selfish managers who have agendas and don't know anything about integrity, I'm ashamed of the company.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: penguin on 12-03-22, 06:33PM
Quote from: RocketRonnie100 on 12-03-22, 10:55AM
However the royal visits are a total sham, it's far more exciting when you get a call saying Mr J Tayl9r has just turned up, totally out of the blue and it looks wrecked ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D

Those visits were and always will be a joke, we had one of the directors visit back in 2018 should have seen it in the days leading up to said visit loads of overtime to fill and clean the store, people painting stuff and uprooting weeds in the carpark etc. The day of said visit and so many staff in everything working like clockwork, as soon as the director was being driven out of the carpark all the overtime people myself included were basically told to clear off and would any of us consider having time back rather than payment.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 12-03-22, 07:38PM
My local Tesco is a bin at 8pm every evening if not well before Iceland is the complete opposite.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: FarmerFred on 12-03-22, 08:55PM
Most of the directors know what goes on with the "announced" visits. I've often had a laugh and joke with directors about how there's always overtime available when there's a visit due, even when the store is miles over budget. On one occasion I discovered a *very senior* executive wandering around the warehouse totally unannounced... ten minutes later word got out & all hell broke loose with managers flying around trying to make things look good!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: lucgeo on 12-03-22, 09:53PM
At one visit, overstock cages were hidden in the cleaners lockups, to portray an empty warehouse...trouble was communicating that the stock was still there in the following weeks!!

After shrink hit the roof, a stockie eventually found them, but promptly got bollocked from the SM for not doing a thorough search!!  Yea mate...the cleaners cupboards weren't even on the shop floor or warehouse!!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-03-22, 09:57PM
One time a tyrannical SM threatened to kill the Area Manager, he even bit the head off the people partner director, he got swiftly removed from the business.

Funnily enough, there are a number of CEOs out there with murder on their criminal record. I think the ability to kill without any remorse is a desirable trait looked for by shareholders to run a company.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 12-03-22, 10:45PM
This forum sums up Tesco. :thumbup: You wonder how they get anyone working for them. The place is just full of student who don't give a f, middle age people who don't want change, like working with some mates or are ready for retirement. No one has a good word to say. I remember when we were short staffed the night lead pretended once there was Royal visit in the morning.  This soon backfired as all the GAs that were sick and tired left the store a bin hoping the visitor would see the shop for what it was the majority of the time. Like another has said they used to throw money to have people standing around at these visits leaving them over budget as soon as they needed people to do honest overtime and fill an aisle. It was the same pish year after year. No December holidays...........
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 13-03-22, 04:44AM
We are being told in our store union still negotiating even though 45 days is up tomorrow. Nightshift told absolutely nothing happening till the end of march. Two months after being told the nightshift was going. The ridiculous Union then claims its looking after the staff. By telling them nothing. You can't make this up. It couldn't have been handled much worse if they tried. Appalling not knowing anything bar gossip and from here. What a great employer tesco is.
N O T.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: penguin on 13-03-22, 04:28PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 12-03-22, 09:53PM
At one visit, overstock cages were hidden in the cleaners lockups, to portray an empty warehouse...trouble was communicating that the stock was still there in the following weeks!!

After shrink hit the roof, a stockie eventually found them, but promptly got bollocked from the SM for not doing a thorough search!!  Yea mate...the cleaners cupboards weren't even on the shop floor or warehouse!!

Many years ago when I worked in express an SM did that knowing the area manager was coming to inspect the wearhouse as some might remember we used to have stock reduction plans, aim to get rid of as much back stock and discontinued stuff as usual, went wrong as the area manager turned up with a senior stock control bloke who wanted to know where all the stock shown on his laptop was and the very red faced and worried sm have to explain why it had all been hidden in the lockup that should have been used for storing bags and other consumables.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 13-03-22, 08:22PM
What you've all got to understand is that Tesco is above the law, if the legal beagles or the police try to prosecute Tesco, then the the CEO will threaten the judges job by claiming Tesco is a significant %age of the UK's GDP, insinuating the judge will be out of a job if they decide to prosecute, the UK government has to toe the line in overlooking all of Tescos illegal actions as the UK economy is so dependant on Tesco as a tax contributor.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: VladPutin on 13-03-22, 08:47PM
I would pay a week's wages to watch the CEO attempt to threaten a senior Judge. He'd end up in a cell with a very large, ugly bloke asking him,

"Now, would you like to be the Mummy or the Daddy tonight?" >:D

I don't much like the Judiciary, but I respect their power. Judges have spanked Prime Ministers when they overstepped the mark. They are not going to bend the knee for some jumped up greengrocer.  8-)

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 13-03-22, 10:53PM
They are so in each others pockets that Tesco lose unfair dismissal claims left, right and centre.

[admin]That does not make sense, or are you attempting sarcasm.[/admin]
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 15-03-22, 03:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 13-03-22, 08:47PM
I would pay a week's wages to watch the CEO attempt to threaten a senior Judge. He'd end up in a cell with a very large, ugly bloke asking him,

"Now, would you like to be the Mummy or the Daddy tonight?" >:D

I don't much like the Judiciary, but I respect their power. Judges have spanked Prime Ministers when they overstepped the mark. They are not going to bend the knee for some jumped up greengrocer.  8-)

The dreams of the Brexit Gammon lies on the laurels of lord and saviour Ken Murphy, if a judge even so much looks at him the wrong way then that's it, the UK becomes kaput, we'll become a 3rd world mud hut ridden banana republic bonanza, the judges family will 'disappear' only to be discovered weeks later having died from accidentally ingesting polonium and being exposed to uranium 238.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 15-03-22, 07:45PM
 :)
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: VladPutin on 16-03-22, 09:45PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 15-03-22, 03:53PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 13-03-22, 08:47PM
I would pay a week's wages to watch the CEO attempt to threaten a senior Judge. He'd end up in a cell with a very large, ugly bloke asking him,

"Now, would you like to be the Mummy or the Daddy tonight?" >:D

I don't much like the Judiciary, but I respect their power. Judges have spanked Prime Ministers when they overstepped the mark. They are not going to bend the knee for some jumped up greengrocer.  8-)

The dreams of the Brexit Gammon lies on the laurels of lord and saviour Ken Murphy, if a judge even so much looks at him the wrong way then that's it, the UK becomes kaput, we'll become a 3rd world mud hut ridden banana republic bonanza, the judges family will 'disappear' only to be discovered weeks later having died from accidentally ingesting polonium and being exposed to uranium 238.

Whatever you're smoking, mate, give me a hit of that! :D ;D
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 16-03-22, 10:30PM
Smoking is very bad spend your money wisely.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: lucgeo on 11-04-22, 07:20AM
You will pay a chunk of change in tax and NI, as being April, will be based on predictive earnings for the year, so budget for that.
Your Tesco employee shares will be sold, so that's some more money due to you.

In fear of repeating myself to everyone, you can claim Jobseeker's Allowance from the get go...regardless of your redundancy package. It's not much £77 per week, but " every little helps "  8)...only available for the first six months from your date of redundancy, so won't be backdated if you claim later on.

A lot of people I know took the year off, and signed up with their local college to do a course in something else. Be aware there may also be grants available with your local / national government regarding retraining in college. If it is of interest, contact the college to register for September, as they fill up quickly and close in July, so becomes impossible to get the forms you require signed, should you qualify for a grant!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Pancakes on 11-04-22, 08:42PM
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.
Are you using a union rep? In your consideration.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Pancakes on 11-04-22, 08:43PM
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.
consultation
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 12-04-22, 01:41AM
Didn't need a rep as I'd been briefed from store who had already been through two meetings. Just interested in if and by how much the second redundancy is more than the first. No problem getting another job just need the one that suits my family situation. If the second offer is a good bit more than the first I will stay for the extra month and hopefully get the right job. If not my other half says she doesn't mind me having a couple of weeks off work to recharge the batteries and get the right job. I'm fortunately fairly healthy moneywise so not concerned there. Very tempting to take a few weeks off but I'm worried I'll enjoy it too much and getting back on the bike might be a real grind.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Cinderella on 12-04-22, 09:39AM
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.

Are these meetings for the current changes/new contracts and so on? If so, nothing has been said at all in my store yet - all info I have is from an email the union sent me!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Don't Do Nights on 12-04-22, 01:28PM
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.

Had my first meeting last week got my second meeting tomorrow. I was actually surprised I got any redundancy pay as I've only been there 6 months. My last shift is on 29/4 so presuming the wages are done on a Tuesday will I get a week's pay in May?
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-04-22, 01:49PM
Convenience going to the dogs, lots of stores are "over-structured" as they've yet to cut away the part time shift leader position, SMs are running shifts and stepping down due to how unworkable the structure change is. Shift Leaders are already hard to recruit for, cutting away the part time position has really put the screws to convenience operations, the official mandate of Area Managers in response is to have and utilise a 3rd step up to make up the short fall of the shift leader position, once again "it'll be good for your development" step up exploitation is the basket that Tescos is putting all its eggs in to maintain operational viability, at least they're not bothering with the career development spiel this time and are very transparent that it is to save on costs and that being a step up is no indication of being promoted beyond a CA.

The number of stores closing early is already 4x the amount than last year.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: madness on 12-04-22, 03:13PM
Tesco think they are Aldi and Lidl. But the discounters don't have the insane complex rules and procedures that Tesco have.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: penguin on 12-04-22, 03:30PM
Convenience is sooner or later going to come crashing down, you cant keep cutting away the staff but adding more, like woosh the one hour delivery service, Hermes parcel services, costa express etc etc and expect things to run well. A lot of express stores are just holding on so to speak. one I used to work in has 2 shift leader jobs going, and the SM ends up running most of the earlies with the two shift leaders (full time one and the still in place part time one) picking up the lates, once one of them is on holiday or off sick for a week its all going to go very wrong. The sad thing is I can imagine the situation is no different in many other express stores.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-04-22, 03:47PM
Express stores in my old group have been shutting early everywhere, the Area Manager has been disciplined by the Express Director for it and is passing them on to the store managers, as a result morale is low and many have quit or stepped down, can't speak for northern groups but the group I was in is in battlefield promotion territory, unprecedented amount of £27-29.9k step up SMs placed due to unprecedented turnover of Store Managers.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: rogerthedodger on 15-04-22, 08:58PM
Be no need to restructure soon except for the remote areas managers are literally leaving by the boat load.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Tesla on 15-04-22, 09:53PM
The restructure needs to start at the flagship Glasgow Silverburn store. The Store Manager there is running the place into the ground.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Smol on 16-04-22, 12:14PM
Strap in, this is mathy.
Having received both indicative and actual redundancy quotes and crunched the numbers, your final payment will be STATUTORY+ADDITIONAL+NOTICE+HOLIDAY.
Statutory is based on an average of your last 12 weeks OR your contracted pay (whichever is higher)
Additional is based on an average of the past 12 months OR your contracted pay (whichever is higher)
Both of these have the cut-off of April 1st.

Notice is 12 weeks contracted pay.
Holiday is the number of hours you've accrued up to April 30th paid at your hourly rate.

You should have three meetings in April, meeting one being formal notification, meeting two being confirmation of package, meeting three being a "sort the legal stuff and tell you about what to do work benefits like pension, sip shares, etc."

ALSO you will not be able to access your payslips from some point on the 30th, so download or print them off on Friday 29th in case you need them.
Additionally you still have £1500 staff discount available, so if you want to spend £10k on the Friday, you'll still get your full staff discount allowance (no, I don't have that much either, but it's technically possible and absolutely allowable under t&C's

Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 11-04-22, 01:33AM
Have any stores had their final meetings yet. My store still a couple of weeks away. Got the first redundancy figure which was slightly better than I thought. Hopefully the final figure adds a few grand to let me take my time getting a job that suits my situation and not taking a job I have issues of childcare etc.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 17-04-22, 04:50AM
Thanks for the info. The other half will be dragging me round the large tesco in my neck of the woods and buying loads of stuff. The figures you said are roughly what I'd heard but the manager running the redundancy process wouldn't give us any info regards the final redundancy figure. I reckon mine will increase by by about 10 to 15%. I believe they have the figures but wont tell anyone in our store for another week yet. Crazy as how much they get will no doubt help a good few decide to leave and not even try the twilight shifts. Then there will be the mad rush to hire folk. The whole process has been such a mess and totally badly thought out.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Smol on 17-04-22, 07:00AM
In my store, there are two overnighters with 25+ years and another seven (I think) with 15+ that's a LOT of £20k+ payouts, at which point it's almost daft not to leave, even if it's to just take six months off and apply again in November.
The loss of skilled workers from this shake up (that we all know won't work) is going to hurt the company in the immediate, short and medium term, but as long as they're not paying anyone £12.40 an hour that doesn't stop need to wear a shirt, head office are happy.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Tesla on 17-04-22, 12:37PM
20k won't last you long without a job and would you want to go back to a company that is screwing loyal staff over. Take your money and spend it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 17-04-22, 03:30PM
Indeed, £20k 5 years ago was a deposit for a house, nawadays it's about what we'd spend a year on utilities.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 17-04-22, 07:11PM
I'm trying to make sure I don't take a job for the sake of it. I'd rather get tesco out my system. Then really look around for a reasonable job. With the decent pay off I'll get it makes sense not to rush into a job you may regret taking. 
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 17-04-22, 09:37PM
As far as jobs go, they don't get much worse than Tesco, always important to keep the notion of 2 different types of job, there are careers and there are jobs that are just a job.

Even for people who have settled on Retail as a career, Tesco pre-2014 compared to post 2014 has seen Tesco go from "a place to get on" to just a job. A job that isn't intended as a career should always be aimed to be a temporary endeavour, you should avoid becoming comfortable in your job intended to be a stop gap

Tesco used to be top dog amongst retailers, now they're third from the bottom, still though, even with this being the case, Supermarket Retailers everywhere have become harder to make a career out of in no small part thanks to the cost cutting culture of recent years.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Nomad on 18-04-22, 10:56AM
When you get a job they want you, At some time in the future you will become dispensable.

Get in first, put correctly it looks better on your CV.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Redshoes on 20-04-22, 06:58PM
Sometimes the devil you know is the one to stick with.
We have had a few colleagues leave recently, they are now trying to get back.  I have seen this so many times over the years.  They thought themselves marvellous and that we would be unable to manage without them.  It was mostly a big sigh of relief all round when they went. 
I worked in a store many years ago that had a constant stream of manager stepping down.  The tough times we are having just now are not new.  As an old hand I have seen it all before.  The job has got easier over the years and we are now just going back to what it was.  We used to have bigger teams but the tasks we did were different.  If you have time to stand and chat to another colleague or take unofficial or extended breaks I would question how your role will look going forward.
I don't see the point in replying to everyone who complains by saying "go get another job", its not helpful but I do think that when it comes to being so unhappy in work that you dread going in that it is not a good way to live your life.  We should work to live and not live to work.  It's a fine balance.  Those who have left have made that jump, they have found that job and sometimes the grass is greener but from what I have seen for many this is not the case. 
We have to change the way we do things.  Time is removed for certain tasks, we simply can't function if we try to continue if we continue to do these tasks.  Standards have to change. 
The manager role is often about filling and serving, some will move on because of this.  It's not because they are lazy its because they are under constant pressure as they have a job to do and no time to do it in.  Colleagues don't like it when they are employed on grocery but spend a great deal of their time on checkouts.  Its the same for managers, they are not employed to fill shelves and they are still being told to deliver pay review meetings, holiday meetings book and fill overtime and all the work that goes into what needs to be done on the work and pay system.
The whole point in the restructure was to reduce the manager head count.  This has happened in every store I know of, but I don't yet know of one that is at structure.  As such the workload is uneven, the head count is hugely different. The store I am in has one too many managers.  If one left they would then get four shift leads, as it is we now have one unofficial shift lead.  The shift leads run the shop floor and the managers should do the admin part of the job that has actually got bigger and not smaller.  As it stands the managers fill shelves and do a very quick and hasty stab at the admin and as such the overtime is not planned far enough in advance, holidays are not 100% correct or even close sometimes.  Even so, nobody wants to be told that they can just up sticks and move to a much better job on more money, for many it is not that easy and very unhelpful. If it was a simple as that we would all do it.  I play the lottery but I don't plan my life around winning.  My life is that I will work hard until I retire and I may even have to work past my retirement age.  My parents were both retired at the age I am now. This will be the reality for many.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Davethebave on 21-04-22, 07:20PM
Very good post above  :thumbup:

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 21-04-22, 09:25PM
Think our store is the only store that gained extra then redshoes lol, we went from 1 night manager to 3, and they've had to change the training room into a management open office due to the new day managers we've got, we had plenty before... So I think jj know where the managers all went to from elsewhere  ;)
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: biggguy on 22-04-22, 04:55AM
People leaving Tesco and wanting back???? In nearly 30 years working for Tescos never heard of anyone leaving and wanting back that's both gas and mms
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: kaled78 on 22-04-22, 07:22AM
we had bakers take redundancy because they could not do the new shift patterns when they came out a few years ago,2 of them are now back re-employed in the bakery doing the hours they originally said they could not do for less money,both of them,blew their redundancy on new cars and foriegn holidays,1 had to sell the new car as they could not afford to run it,they both swore they would never come back to tesco after being made redundant.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: lucgeo on 22-04-22, 09:33AM
And there were those who were offered a good redundancy package, usually a year's pay. They took it, paid debts off etc...had six months break or found temp alternative employment elsewhere. They would have said they couldn't do the hours offered in order to get the redundancy, not because the couldn't do them ;) Walked back into their old jobs six months later, on less hours with plenty of overtime because nobody had been trained in the interim! Typical Tesco tunnel vision  :-X :-X

People who know their worth, will not refuse a good redundancy package, knowing their job will probably be there waiting for their 6 month return!
Many who didn't take the May 2019 redundancy offer, regretted it down the line, as they were shafted again and again!

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Redshoes on 22-04-22, 09:55AM
Quote from: biggguy on 22-04-22, 04:55AM
People leaving Tesco and wanting back???? In nearly 30 years working for Tescos never heard of anyone leaving and wanting back that's both gas and mms

I suppose that depends on jobs in the area. I have worked in England and Scotland in my 30 years and have seen both managers and ga's come back. I have seen both levels go to Lidl and come back. I have seen countless ga's come back. I work with a few now. Some left with redundancy but not all. For example, in the store I work in now, one just left for pastures new but is back with us and another did take redundancy and came back but changed formats. I have seen people come back as festive temps as they are quick to train but they were not kept on at the end of the festive period. I also know of three trying to get back, they just left for pastures new but it has not worked out well for them. I even know of managers who can't get back as ga's. I saw that with the first ever redundancies I ever saw about 28-29 years ago and I have seen it many times since.
As I understand it you now can't come back within a year.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Sherwoodforest on 22-04-22, 12:57PM
I did think it was 6 months and you can return,
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 22-04-22, 06:42PM
It is definitely 6 months. We've all been told this. I've got a new night shift position elsewhere but fully expect the night shift to be back in November at the latest. The store is simply too busy to cope. I know folk will say you've heard it all before but given that 70% of the nightshift are going and a few that are staying are only doing so till they get jobs says it all. Only once the full shambles kicks in will tesco realise they can't do it. I won't be there to see it but Mark my words it will happen.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: .....1 on 22-04-22, 07:46PM
We all thought the night shift would be back in our store when  it was removed to. we were one of the first to loose it when tesco first started the cull a few years ago. If I'm honest it was very hard standards we're totally shocking! and in the months after we often had agency staff in on nights to fill! But things did slowly improve. but over the next few years tesco have continued to cut hour on days and twilights and what they expect is in my opinion is near on unachievable and the shop standards are very poor again now. the only difference now from a few years ago is that due to the many management restructures know body cares or is either bothering. The company is not at all that it once was. It doesn't care about customers colleagues or shop floor standards anymore I really wouldn't bank on night shift making a return once it's removed!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: lucgeo on 23-04-22, 07:02AM
 8-)Was it a full removal of night shift, or just that your total night shift took redundancy ? 8-)

I don't recall the entire night shift operation being removed, just restructured and redundancy offered.
If it is the case this time, that the stores are dispensing with a night team completely and moving to day and twilight fills, then they cannot have anyone in to do nights during the following six months!

I really can't see day fills being reinstated for very long, it's bad enough trying to get to the shelves during rumbles, dot com trollies, SAYS customers who faff about with their PDA's, blue tops for discontinued etc...etc...
Bringing two cages out for filling and cardboard on an aisle during busy hours, will not be tolerated by customers, especially if they don't reinstate the cage location spots on aisles, which are now overflowing with OFDS. Abandoned cages in aisles, whilst they've just been told to " hop on a checkout for a minute" two hours ago!!

Day fills will not last, twilight maybe, but it won't be long until those hours start creeping into night fills, with no premiums.

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: londoner83 on 23-04-22, 08:59AM
Think it depends on type of store and its trade pattern. If you could recruit sufficient staff we could probably fill our ambient on twilight and fresh early mornings and I work in a extra. However as a store down the road that is losing their night fill is finding very few people are applying for approx 16hr a week roles between 6 and 10am or 6pm and midnight.

Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: .....1 on 23-04-22, 02:50PM
Yeah it was complete removal of nights it happened in our store around 2016/17 if I remember rightly Tesco culled around 4000 staff In various different roles and a few stores lost the night shift. Since then slowly other stores have been removed to over the last few year stores around me have also lost the night shift so it's nothing new I just think we hear about it more when it's happening to more stores. 
when we lost ours staff were given the option to move to the new twilight roles or to apply to another store on nights but for less hrs. Most took redundancy as the new twilight hrs were not enough to live on.
Also we had Cage locations added to the aisles to help with congestion when filling. If I'm honest it's not that bad really but we are not a dot com store so not sure how it would impact others.  In our store fresh is obviously filled first thing  so we always have fresh team around.
Grocery gets filled between 1pm and midnight.  and normally just have 1 staff member in the mornings on wine and spirits.  gm and clothing get filled throughout the day in our store
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 23-04-22, 04:44PM
The biggest issue our store has is 1. Desperately poor managers and 2. Even allowing for them being poor they would be struggling to control what goes on as they don't have the numbers or time to do it. Temps been in use for weeks and their productivity is shocking. By the early summer the store will be a nightmare to work or shop in. I'm sure the managers will be told to make it work but there are loads of vacancies in an around our area so the staff getting recruited are poor to say the least. I do pity those staying as they will be get more frustrated by the day.  I feel a huge weight off my shoulders and know I've a very large payout so if my next job doesn't work out I can move again or even take time off. Good luck to everybody staying. You will need it.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-04-22, 08:42PM
Tesco has admitted to having recruitment issues and this in a large part is part of the reason why they are limiting night shifts in stores.

Even with new hires, the problem still remains that the wages and hours offered is simply too low to attract people that aren't students who have other priorities and tend to be unreliable and disloyal or warm bodies that have no common sense or life skills. The adage "pay peanuts get monkeys" rings very true in these instances, this is also not helped by the fact that there is little in the way of career progression. To most people, this will be just a job and not a career.

The cost of living is rising faster than wages, the real living wage foundation has the current value pegged at £9.90 for areas outside of London and £11.05 inside, this was also updated last September, I have my own scrutiny about how the living wage is calculated and why it is set as 2 rates, London and the rest of the UK (Where I live, it's more expensive than London, average rent for a small studio flat is on average £2,000 a month where I live and pints at the pub are £8) a wage of £9.90 would not be enough to live here but that's besides the point.

When it is calculated for this year, It will have to take into account the rampant inflation of goods, meaning the value, by my estimate will go from £9.90 to £12 an hour and £14 an hour in London, the fact tjis is calculated only once per year and not much more frequently only serves to be disingenous  and undermines its core mission of political influence for living standards.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Tesla on 23-04-22, 08:44PM
"Make it work" "desperately poor managers"

Is it the Glasgow Silverburn store you work at.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Bobmay on 24-08-22, 07:45AM
I am wondering are they still removing nightshift for stores? In my store I work at it was an metro store however it became express. There were 30 people who worked night shift in the store. Now after they changed to express store with many people leaving they didn't hire anyone that only leaves 13 people including nigh shift manager.  I heard some changes are coming this September to the store however no one has told me what the changes are.  I strongly believe that they will remove night shift in this store.  Already we have far less people to help in night only 3 people per night and are struggling. I have been offered position by sm for morning and evening shift which is odd considering we have barely any staff in the night and are already massively struggling. Delivery is  also coming in early in the afternoon and early morning around 9 and 12 in the afternoon this is becoming common.

The store has also lost around 3 people per week every few weeks who worked in the evening and morning with no replacement.  Colleagues also received papers to state the hours they are available a few months back I however didn't.

So what do you think?
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: lucgeo on 24-08-22, 08:05AM
Don't agree to anything at the moment! If you've worked many years, you could miss out on a good redundancy package!
If the night shift is going, and there's no redundancy on the table, then you should be offered a protected pay deal, whereby you're night shift payments will be protected for a set time!

Agree to nothing...sign nothing...wait to see what's in the pipeline or If changes are afoot ???  ??? Or you can AGREE IN WRITING to a 4 week trial, to see if it's suitable, but not be committed to the change!
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Redshoes on 24-08-22, 08:55AM
Quote from: Bobmay on 24-08-22, 07:45AMI am wondering are they still removing nightshift for stores? In my store I work at it was an metro store however it became express. There were 30 people who worked night shift in the store. Now after they changed to express store with many people leaving they didn't hire anyone that only leaves 13 people including nigh shift manager.  I heard some changes are coming this September to the store however no one has told me what the changes are.  I strongly believe that they will remove night shift in this store.  Already we have far less people to help in night only 3 people per night and are struggling. I have been offered position by sm for morning and evening shift which is odd considering we have barely any staff in the night and are already massively struggling. Delivery is  also coming in early in the afternoon and early morning around 9 and 12 in the afternoon this is becoming common.

The store has also lost around 3 people per week every few weeks who worked in the evening and morning with no replacement.  Colleagues also received papers to state the hours they are available a few months back I however didn't.

So what do you think?

I can't believe 30 on night shift in a metro.  I'm in a middle size superstore and we have not had a night team in years. We have a team of 5 plus manager work 30-40 cages a night.  On a Sat we get about 50 cages that is worked Sat into Sunday. There are the 5 Sat but only 3 on Sun.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Bobmay on 25-08-22, 04:59AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-08-22, 08:55AM
Quote from: Bobmay on 24-08-22, 07:45AMI am wondering are they still removing nightshift for stores? In my store I work at it was an metro store however it became express. There were 30 people who worked night shift in the store. Now after they changed to express store with many people leaving they didn't hire anyone that only leaves 13 people including nigh shift manager.  I heard some changes are coming this September to the store however no one has told me what the changes are.  I strongly believe that they will remove night shift in this store.  Already we have far less people to help in night only 3 people per night and are struggling. I have been offered position by sm for morning and evening shift which is odd considering we have barely any staff in the night and are already massively struggling. Delivery is  also coming in early in the afternoon and early morning around 9 and 12 in the afternoon this is becoming common.

The store has also lost around 3 people per week every few weeks who worked in the evening and morning with no replacement.  Colleagues also received papers to state the hours they are available a few months back I however didn't.

So what do you think?

I can't believe 30 on night shift in a metro.  I'm in a middle size superstore and we have not had a night team in years. We have a team of 5 plus manager work 30-40 cages a night.  On a Sat we get about 50 cages that is worked Sat into Sunday. There are the 5 Sat but only 3 on Sun.

The place I work is in an train station with tesco and other stores such as McDonald.So you can understand how busy it is.I was just wondering has anyone experience nightshift being removed recently in their express and are they in busy place. You said you had nightshift removed from your store how long ago?
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Bobmay on 25-08-22, 05:31AM
Quote from: lucgeo on 24-08-22, 08:05AMDon't agree to anything at the moment! If you've worked many years, you could miss out on a good redundancy package!
If the night shift is going, and there's no redundancy on the table, then you should be offered a protected pay deal, whereby you're night shift payments will be protected for a set time!

Agree to nothing...sign nothing...wait to see what's in the pipeline or If changes are afoot ???  ??? Or you can AGREE IN WRITING to a 4 week trial, to see if it's suitable, but not be committed to the change!

I already have another job and also waiting for the response of the other Job which I have applied.I am just wondering if there is another person who had experienced night shift being removed from their store eventhough it was extremely busy. In my store they pay around 20 thousand pound an month for staff in the night shift if they were to give all the remaining staff plus the night manger redundancy it would be about 250,000 maximum.Which they can save in staff cost adter 3 years.The store manager is also giving lots of pressure to staff for them to leave which I dont understand the reason considering already tons of staff left from the store and they arent hiring anyone.the store manager even said to me she wants me to go to morning and few other staff even though we are struggling in the nights. So I am wondering if the manager is doing this pressure to staff so they can leave before they announce layoff. The amount of money this store has made an massively gone down with instead of 5 deliveries we only recieve 2 to 4 deliveries. We have also been for the past couple of months being getting visit from the area manager and head office. Some colleagues to fill in their hour of avalibitty I haven't received any form yet.So what do think is nights being removed?
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Redshoes on 25-08-22, 07:37AM
We have not had a night shift in over six years. We put one on for Christmas and a from time to time when needed. For example, we had a night shift last week because of the train strikes. We manage fine without, most of the year. We used to have colleagues in until 1.5 hours after store shut. The colleagues voted on it and they are now only in 30 mins after store is shut. We open to colleagues in the morning 2 hours before customers. When we have a bank holiday we stick to the same times for colleagues but change times for customer trade. Checkouts adjust hours for bank holidays but nobody else does. We never have issues filling shifts for bank holidays, other than 2nd Jan.
Title: Re: Management restructure
Post by: Bobmay on 25-08-22, 08:36AM
@Bobmay, this topic is about management restructure, which we need to get back to.  You have express your concerns in other topics.  Admin