When does sunday premium go down to time and a quarter? And if I were to be leaving the company... when would I have to work until to make sure I get my payout for losing my current Sunday pay.
Does anyone know when I get my pay out? My store STILL have not given me a brief on it... I only know what I've heard from colleagues.
Think cuts to Sunday Premium and Bank Holidays is from July 1st.Those who it impacts on will be told shortly with a payout 27th July.Wouldnt suprise me if any one leaves after receiving payout if tosco dont ask for it back.
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Undercover 1. There is information on other threads for the payout. The original briefing in 2017 laid out the process on which the calculation would be done. Only 3% of staff will get anything. My guess is you could well be amongst the 97%.
Quote from: his scots tie on 26-05-18, 01:53PM
Think cuts to Sunday Premium and Bank Holidays is from July 1st.Those who it impacts on will be told shortly with a payout 27th July.Wouldnt suprise me if any one leaves after receiving payout if tosco dont ask for it back.
Would not supprise me that no one leaves 8-)
Quote from: Plato on 26-05-18, 03:55PM
Undercover 1. There is information on other threads for the payout. The original briefing in 2017 laid out the process on which the calculation would be done. Only 3% of staff will get anything. My guess is you could well be amongst the 97%.
What!!! Do you know the requirements for the 3%? I have been contracted Sundays for 5 years since i started. How can they pay some out and not others
Is there still no news on the manager's Sunday pay? When/ if it goes down to time and a quarter.
my understanding is that you only get paid the difference between what you got paid and what you do get paid after the pay rise you got ,
So if your pay with Sunday rates old was £1
And the new pay after the pay rise is £1 then you get nothing ,
It seems that you are giving up your Sunday rate to get your basic hourly pay rise ? and at the same time a pay rise for every one else 8-)
This week Sainsbury's have been in the News for doing the same thing :(
That is how I understand it to work.
Quote from: lessforlife on 26-05-18, 06:17PM
Is there still no news on the manager's Sunday pay? When/ if it goes down to time and a quarter.
No news at all are you wishing for it to be Cut ? ,, if you are a manger they will tell you when its about to happen wont they ???
No not wishing! Just thinking that it might go to 5/7 contract
You will hear about it about 2 weeks before it kicks off , if it does ,
Sounds about right!! Our store manager reckons that something is being announced in June but all hearsay as normal.
As an ex D/M in Express I first heard my job was going 12 years before ??? 8-) and then it only went last year :D last few years the talk was about one S/M 2 stores in Express. Last week they had S/M talking about one looking after 4 8-) No store manager can be sure about what is going to happen next week let alone next month, sit tight, and remember, what ever will be will be,,,,,,,,,,
You are right though, Notsofunny thanks will wait to see what's next!!! 8-)
Undercover 1. I have been a contracted Sunday for 10+ years, and do 4 weekday shifts, plus a Sunday. I will get nada, nothing , zilch !
Many people worked sunday to increase earnings but now its not worth it, so some might accually say Fuk it and opt out.
well if they do and they can afford to drop a shift then its fine , other wise so far it seems no one is leaving since a lot more work a sunday due to that being a day they can work,
End of the day this will also cut down on full time staff unless they can get another day to cover it, and from what I have seen in main store not many hours are availible on other shifts for someone to pick up if they do drop sundays,
In Express having spoken to S/Ms they dont have problems covering Sundays and wont if any one wants to drop out ,
And the way Tesco,, and it seems all the others have changed things is if the wage at the end of the week does not drop then we will see many just stick it out ,
My last store had about 3 people contracted to Sundays, the rest was OT. It wouldn't surprise me if the OT lists for Sunday become very empty once the premiums are butchered for it.
Some store did not have contracted hours for a Sunday, since they always found someone that wanted to work it, this will just allow others to pick up the extra day as contracted, also those that can only work Sundays will be happy to pick up the 1/4 extra.
We will have to wait and see how many that have got used to working the extra day will drop it.
Quote from: Undercover1 on 26-05-18, 12:21PM
When does sunday premium go down to time and a quarter? And if I were to be leaving the company... when would I have to work until to make sure I get my payout for losing my current Sunday pay.
Does anyone know when I get my pay out? My store STILL have not given me a brief on it... I only know what I've heard from colleagues.
Don't hold your breath...Here's what Usdaw said when asked to explain how cushion payments are worked out ...basically no pay out for Sunday workers ...
To calculate if staff will receive a transition payment Tesco will analysis a years pay data for every member of staff from November 2016 to November 17. This would then be compared with what their pay would be working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay and the lower premium rate. If an individual is worse off under the new pay structure, they will receive a payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay. If people have worked Sunday as overtime between these dates this would be included in their calculation. Not everyone who works Sunday will receive a payment. Its about weather following ALL the changes (in the 2 year pay plan) they are financially impacted. Tesco will be writing to staff affected in June to confirm payment they receive.
I'm contracted to 36.5 hours but only do 3 3/4 hours on a Sunday. I've already told management that I'll be quitting Sundays in July. We already have a plan to move those 3 3/4 hrs into the week. (Thought I'd get in quick as I feel many may soon follow suit). :thumbup:
Just on thing , those that want to move from a Sunday to another day , should they do it before the pay out ? would not want anyone to change days then not get a pay out ,,
I'm moving mine, I'm on 36.5 hours, of which only 3.75 are on a Sunday. Here are my calculations from what I can gather from what's been said.
Pay rate for the period Nov 16 - Nov 17 £7.62 Basic, £11.43 Prem (which is the data period to be used).
So weekly earnings before 2 year pay plan were... 32.75 hrs x £7.62 (£249.55) + 3.75 hrs x £11.43 (£42.86) = £292.41
Compared to the same hours under after the new pay plans hourly rates have been introduced. £8.18 Basic, £10.23 Prem
32.75 hrs x £8.18 (£267.90) + 3.75 hrs x £10.23 (£38.36) = £306.26
£292.41 v £306.26 = NO PAY OUT.
This reduction has really p*ssed me off, I've only just started and the premium was stated on the vacancy and reiterated at my interview and even in my written job offer yet I've only been informed after starting
Quote from: notsofunny on 27-05-18, 12:20PM
Just on thing , those that want to move from a Sunday to another day , should they do it before the pay out ? would not want anyone to change days then not get a pay out ,,
Would personally hang on till after the payout, at least get something out of this c**ppy company. In saying that a lot of staff have already dropped Sundays. Anyone thinking of dropping hours on a Sunday you are not guaranteed to get your hours back during the week although they must try to do this. What amazes me is there is no shortage in staff taking up Sunday hours and bank holidays at time and a quarter.
Time and a quarter will soon be down to straight time.give it a year or two.
I bet night premium is the next to go
They wont get rid of Night Premium they'll just get rid of all nights >:D
Quote from: daveyp on 28-05-18, 11:17AM
I bet night premium is the next to go
they've already took away some of this.
Quote from: fscer on 28-05-18, 11:49AM
They wont get rid of Night Premium they'll just get rid of all nights >:D
I'll be happy with that.i've got 20+ years service.
No premiums will be touched until 2020 so the last update said, so safe till then.
That can all change very quickly, there are no guarantees any more.
Quote from: his scots tie on 28-05-18, 09:04AM
Quote from: notsofunny on 27-05-18, 12:20PM
Just on thing , those that want to move from a Sunday to another day , should they do it before the pay out ? would not want anyone to change days then not get a pay out ,,
Would personally hang on till after the payout, at least get something out of this c**ppy company. In saying that a lot of staff have already dropped Sundays.
Taken from the Pay Review 2017...
We will continue to pay time and half for hours worked on Sundays and bank holidays until July 2018, when they will then change to time and a quarter.
97% of colleagues will be better off with this pay deal, but if there is a net reduction in colleagues' take home pay after changes have been applied, a lump sum payment will be paid in July 2018, worth 18 months of the annual difference.
97%...that's pretty damn high, so unless you have very good reason to believe you'll be in line for a pay out, then I think it's pretty safe to try & move your hours now (if you so wish).
Quote from: world of their own on 28-05-18, 11:58AM
Quote from: fscer on 28-05-18, 11:49AM
They wont get rid of Night Premium they'll just get rid of all nights >:D
I'll be happy with that.i've got 20+ years service.
With the discounters everywhere and online grocery becoming the modern way hopefully there will be more night closures. A lot of the TMs at Tesco get paid more than SMS at other retailer for basic Manual/office tasks. Surely shift leaders must be getting rolled out soon to complex stores as the pay book suggested. You just have to look at the amount of people in the canteen on nights in comparison to what it was like years ago.
Quote from: cosmosmallpiece on 28-05-18, 01:56PM
No premiums will be touched until 2020 so the last update said, so safe till then.
That means nothing to this lot,if they want to change it before then they will,its for the business needs you know.
As much as I dislike the way they behave these days I think they might think twice about changing it as it's in writing.
I expect all night premiums to go eventually cutting Sunday premiums to me is a disgrace 97%Will be better off what a load of trash
The union have agreed loss of overtime rates,night premium, Sunday and bank holiday premium in exchange for nothing. Whilst Sainsbury's wasn't the best pay deal for their staff they will be on £9.20 an hour. It shows how bad a deal the Tesco deal was, yet Store Manager shouting it from the rooftops. Cut his pay and other Senior Managers pay by the same percentage and they wouldn't be so smug.
Does anyone know what will happen to shift leaders pay in express with regards Sunday premium? Excuse me if it's been answered elsewhere already. In my experience we are not contracted to Sunday's but very often work them. Thanks in advance
NellyFish I think they look at actual hours worked re the pay out and not simply who is contracted. so
so last may I had no choice but to work Sunday's. I used to work 3 days in the week. It was either work Sunday or drop half my hours as there was no other job instore at that point other than Dotcom which hours don't suit. Due to heat map. So now I work two day 9 hour shifts on both days. So I am going to worse off. But because they are looking at November 16 till November 17. It not really going to show I am. How is this fair if this is the way that are going to work it out.
Quote from: K2S0 on 27-05-18, 09:56PM
This reduction has really p*ssed me off, I've only just started and the premium was stated on the vacancy and reiterated at my interview and even in my written job offer yet I've only been informed after starting
I think that if you only just started then your pay rate will be time and a 1/4 already , not the time and a half that other are on , have a look since that is what i was told , and if that is correct then it will not impact you ,
I'm definitely on time and 1/2 and not 1/4 ??? Very strange
You will be on time and 1/2 at the moment as time and 1/4 does not come into effect until July
Yeah I know, I'd said on the first page that I was annoyed because I'm a new starter I applied to a vacancy that advertised time and a half, my interview I was told time and a half and my job offer letter stated time and a half and i was told after starting about the decrease
Anyone know whats going on with Managers payreview and sunday premiums
Charlie Harper
If that is how pay out is calculated I won't get a pay out disgusted with them after the pay rise which they keep bragging about I will be about £3 a week better off . It is so unfair the lucky ones who work days Mon- Sat have had a nice pay rise I bet they are more than £3 a week better off .when the got rid of np1 it was worked out from the year I worked days went on days for about 6 months then back to nights I'd been back on nights for over a year but the wrong year apparently didn't get a penny in pay out so sick of constantly losing money every time we get a so called pay rise :'(
don't forget you can legally opt out of Sunday working (unless you only work Sundays) - google Sunday Working on gov website or check with Union
strebor, I really do hope I'm wrong with my interpretation of how this will be worked out but with the information given and the claim that 97% of workers will be 'better off' I fear the worst.
As trebor says, you can always opt out of Sundays, the opt out form is available to download from the 'our tesco' webpage.
https://www.ourtesco.com/working-at-tesco/people-policies/staying-legal/sunday-working/ (https://www.ourtesco.com/working-at-tesco/people-policies/staying-legal/sunday-working/)
Quote from: Noan on 29-05-18, 12:47PM
You will be on time and 1/2 at the moment as time and 1/4 does not come into effect until July
Quote from: K2S0 link=topic=16541.msg214771#msg214771 date=1527593342
I'm definitely on time and 1/2 and not 1/4 ??? Very strange
Been told by 2 others that started in December January. That they only get paid time and a 1/4 and that's what they got told when they started.. will ask them to look it up as to why .it does sound strange that it's not consistent 🤔 unless the SM s are playing games..anyone do payroll that can shed some light on this :question:
Charlie Harper
I think you are right. Just annoyed with Tesco and union feel let down by union yet again pulling out now and try and get off Sundays not worth working it anymore
Surprised with the "delayed reaction" to this news - excepting newish starters of course.
We all knew this was coming (i.e. most of us wouldn't get any sort of payout) when the record breaking 10.5% pay increase was announced in a big fanfare!!
Rather than quoting 97% of workers will be "better off" - might be more enlightening to know what percentage will be 10.5% better off, or even 8% or 6% or 4%.
Anyone that works Sundays/BHs and where that % of hours is anywhere between about 25-40% of their total hours will fall into the "better off by less than 4%" - even the ones that are worse off will be getting a "much reduced" payout due to Tesco's method of calculation.
Quote from: K2S0 on 29-05-18, 12:29PM
I'm definitely on time and 1/2 and not 1/4 ??? Very strange
Quote from: Noan on 29-05-18, 12:47PM
You will be on time and 1/2 at the moment as time and 1/4 does not come into effect until July
I stand corrected :-[ you are both correct My 2 friends had been told that they will be getting time and a !/4 but they have had a look at the pay slip and it seems they are getting time and 1/2 so it would seem they will also be in the same situation as you which they did not expect to be in :(,
Emailed union . Trying to get a straight answer off them is like banging your head against a brick wall >:D . The way it is worked out I will be getting less than half the amount extra in my 4 weekly wage than someone who doesn't work a Sun on same hrs as me. Can't see how they can justify not giving a transition payment . At least it would take some of the sting out of this. I am a small amount better of than in 16/17 but nowhere near as much as someone who doesn't work a Sun. Time to leave the union .
Nearly time to lower my working pace on Sunday's to time and a quarter you put in what you get out of it not a lot in tescos.Used to love getting double time would not mind going a bit further for the company but they have had that now ,especially as not getting any payout how can it be that calculation are done differently this year than last year . >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Hammer 10 I feel the same over 20 years under my belt and I would go that extra mile befor but not now. How do you know your not getting any payout? I did not think the letters had gone out yet .
Just by what people are saying on here .
Rising costs and a pay decrease for the lowest paid workers. Less money less pace.
How was the calculation made when moving from double to 1.5?
Clearly, there wasn't a "10.5% pay award" to offset any loss - so that might have been the only difference?
Or did ALL double time staff receive a cushion payment?
Quote from: strebor on 29-05-18, 06:27PM
Charlie Harper
If that is how pay out is calculated I won't get a pay out disgusted with them after the pay rise which they keep bragging about I will be about £3 a week better off . It is so unfair the lucky ones who work days Mon- Sat have had a nice pay rise I bet they are more than £3 a week better off .when the got rid of np1 it was worked out from the year I worked days went on days for about 6 months then back to nights I'd been back on nights for over a year but the wrong year apparently didn't get a penny in pay out so sick of constantly losing money every time we get a so called pay rise :'(
I sympathise with you, This is the second pay rise someone has lost money to accommodate me getting a rise, I will be making my feelings known when we have the pay review meeting just as I did when my colleague was losing money for nothing other than working the twighlight shift.
It stinks, we know and it they know it but there is nothing other than voicing our displeasure that we as GAs can do. As you say the Union seems weak to the point of being ineffectual it would be nice to know what they were doing while rubber stamping this at the national forum pay review, Which only members of the union can be a part of by the way.
But yea if the only way for us to get a pay rise is to stiff our colleagues then I dont want one.
:thumbup:
It looks like sometime from 2020 we might loose remaining premiums so tesco could pay 9 pound per hour .
We have all said the same from the time it was announced and they started to take away the night shifts extra money.
They are not saving money in all stores where the night shift went. It was short sighted in a few. Some are spending more money as assistants are distracted helping customers and have to take more care.
It was a very short sighted descision, but don't worry it will come round to hit them the face. Problem is, the rank and file will suffer even more for another bad descision.
Has anyone had a letter yet informing them they are an affected colleague?
Disgusting every little helps my arse time to slow down and loosening momentum
Totally agree with you Hammer 10. Do they really expect us to work as hard for time and a quarter as we did for double time? over 20 years I have worked for this company and my pay rise is £1.20 a week pathetic. I will definetly be on a permanent go slow now
The TMs are not in support of the loss of premiums constantly pressuring people to do more for less money. Meanwhile Dave Lewis is creaming 5 million a year a nice pay rise from last year. Other than the few FT staff left the t&cs are no better than a Victorian workhouse. The SM announces more staff are coming but how many will stay. You'd be better off working on the side and claiming all the government subs.
We are going to have to get used to cuts in Premiums as it stands , No Unions, go slow or threats to boycot Sunday work , night work is going to stop it, and calls to shop in another other store or telling family and friends not to shop in tesco 8-) , Its about Survival , we just have to look at the last few weeks to see how many Companys in retail are clossing store or are on the brink of bankruptcy , think it was pounland in the news yesterday , mothercare , marks ,toys r us , matlins , House of fraser today :(
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/11/tough-year-high-street-internet-shopping-weak-pound (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/11/tough-year-high-street-internet-shopping-weak-pound) ,
Does anyone know when we would hear if we are getting a pay out?
This month but don't know what date
If we get a payout, and it's a big if, it's the 27th July pay day.
Very big IF.
I know a few people who are expecting a big pay out.
Do not expect anything from this mob you will only disappoint yourself
Working out the difference from a month on time and a half now to time and a quarter the bonus for me would've been around £700, but because I'm 20 pence yes TWENTY PENCE better off a week now because of this 'amazing pay rise' I'm getting absolutely nothing.
Expect nothing, Tesco will only shatter any expectations you had and give you nothing. Laughable really.
So would you have been happy if you had got £700 :question:
Expectations ??? why does anyone have them at all ?
So Im only contracted to 3.75 hours a week on a sunday, will i be getting a payout?
Notsofunny yeah I would've been ecstatic, would'nt have been able to feel the difference for a few months whilst I worked out some different hours with my manager to make up the short fall because I'm up against the wall as it is but now, well now there's just no reason to work Sundays. Not in my eyes anyway.
Do you truly think that Your manager will give you the hours over the rest of the week ? and if not would could you afford to drop the hours ? since you would say you are up against the wall , could you afford to drop sundays 1/4 rate ,
I am being told by others in full time hours that they are not being offerd hours in place of the sunday ones, have you found the same thing going on in your store ?
Not many people have shifted over from Sunday yet because they haven't seen the drop in wages but many are planning to. Those who have dropped out haven't been given other hours elsewhere as overtime is so scarce that people fill the Sunday hours straight away just trying to make ends meet. If I'd say down with my manager and talked it out I've no doubt they would've given me hours through the week to make up for it here and there but in all honesty I've been planning my escape from the company for a little while, it's just now that I've been given the kick to get out because I don't even break even anymore. With overtime when I first started I'd have a few hundred left at the end of the month. Not so any more.
Know how you feel. I used to save 485 pound buying shares. Now its only 5 pound.
Same home, same food, same utility bils, same life. But now it all cost much more.
Incrise in rent and council tax was higher than pay rise we had last December.
Really fantastic future tesco holds for us. Misery.
The whole company is a sham. The only thing you can do is to go out and find another job that's not working for the s*** thieving gits that are Tesco and its upper Jewish money robbing management. I hope this company falls to its knees with the way it has treated hard loyal human beings that have worked so hard for them over the years only to receive little in return. >:D >:D
@ life after tossco
Firstly, drop the anti-Semitism, it's bad enough the Labour Party of full of anti-semites then to start it again here.
Apart from that I agree with the rest of the post.
and if you take the Labour party bit out I would agree with you completely ,
Sunday's supposed to go to just time next year! And we still have not had a briefing about it time and a quarter
Wont touch any premiums again untill july 2020.This was in the pay briefing.It is my understanding the 16p per hour payrise we get in july is Tesco reinvesting the cut in sunday and bank holidays to time and quarter.What you earned in 12 months to june 2018,and what you earn with the 16p pay rise for next 12 months,the diffrence is your pay out ,18 months diffrence,awarded in july.Staff should be getting a letter shortly.
Quote from: Williams34 on 09-06-18, 11:16AM
Sunday's supposed to go to just time next year! And we still have not had a briefing about it time and a quarter
It looks like there will be a few unfilled aisles on a Sunday but suppose it's nothing new nowadays. A pay cut and expected to do more will only send the company in one direction up the wall like the many others. People think Tesco is bullet proof but give it a few years for Aldi, Lidl and Amazon to make real inroads. Then you have Sainsbury's taking the p**s out them. Look at w h Smith they have had to scrap most managers and can't even afford lighting to remain on the high street. Say a bad example if you want. Dave Lewis is only competing with Philip green.
We can only hope ;D ;D
The sooner this company collapses on its knees the better! All the honest GA's who are to afraid to look for a better job will have to find one and all the overpaid, big headed, s c u m management will have to find a job where they will have to work hard for pennies. With the way Dave and his cronies are pulling the plug on everything Tesco grew into, they seem to be receding to me a lot like Dave Lewis's own hairline, stripped bare and bald. It's just one big sell off and shutdown and people are already leaving Tesco in droves at the shambolic way they are delivering service to customers. (-*-) (-*-) (-*-) :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Quote from: notsofunny on 08-06-18, 10:53PM
and if you take the Labour party bit out I would agree with you completely ,
Why is everyone scared of the truth?
The reality stores will have less managers, and less colleagues. This is because there are still too many costs with stores, and too many managers.
Quote from: his scots tie on 09-06-18, 12:18PM
Wont touch any premiums again untill july 2020.This was in the pay briefing.It is my understanding the 16p per hour payrise we get in july is Tesco reinvesting the cut in sunday and bank holidays to time and quarter.What you earned in 12 months to june 2018,and what you earn with the 16p pay rise for next 12 months,the diffrence is your pay out ,18 months diffrence,awarded in july.Staff should be getting a letter shortly.
Here's what Usdaw said when asked to explain how cushion payments are worked out...
To calculate if staff will receive a transition payment Tesco will analysis a years pay data for every member of staff from November 2016 to November 17. This would then be compared with what their pay would be working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay and the lower premium rate. If an individual is worse off under the new pay structure, they will receive a payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay. If people have worked Sunday as overtime between these dates this would be included in their calculation. Not everyone who works Sunday will receive a payment. Its about weather following
ALL the changes (in the 2 year pay plan, not just the extra 16p per hour in July) they are financially impacted. Tesco will be writing to staff affected in June to confirm payment they receive.
The fact that Tesco stated that 97% of the work force would be ''Better off'' (& therefore would not be receiving a pay out) means I'm expecting nothing.
From nov 16 rate of £7.62 ,to Nov 18 rate of 8.42,the diffrence is .80p per hour.For a full time member of staff thats £116.80 per month extra.The same full timer working all sundays 7.5 hours a week will have lost 7.5 hours premium so a total of just over £63.So no chance of anyone getting a payout.Surely doing calculation that way is not right,and quite clearley grossly unfair.
It's meant to be unfair, it's meant to save Tesco having to payout.
It wasn't done like that last time though. I don't expect to get out of this c**ppy company, but surely usbore aren't that thick to let tosco get away with it.
They've let them get away with so much already, why would they risk their treasured brown nose rights.
My bet, tesco already calculate all the data before and already decided how much they willing to pay, so they make this rule, after calculating the pay rise .
The basic formula might be how many % hours that will get the cushion pay. range from 100% someone who only work on sunday to someone who work full time but only work minimal hours on sunday.
They must be already targeted the amount of staff who will get the cushion pay with this formula and the amount of increase plus timing too.
My rough calculation if your sunday hours percentage compare your total hours a week is less that 29%, possibly you wont have any cushion payment, only if it is bigger than that, but it wont be that much either.
The biggest pay will be if only you work only on sunday on 7.5 hours, you will have £ 702. But that only my calculation base on what i can read online, not the actual calculation that my manager supposed to explain it to me, so might be wrong.
Why have Managers not been told they are going to 1.25 on Sunday?
Are Managers going to 1.25 ? I think I heard that they will be staying on 1.5%
Managers are going back to 2x payment as many are not picking up Sundays as a 6th working day. Stores can't get management cover.
if that's true that will just p*** more ga's off and managers will be by themselves on sundays!
@kaled78 these were my exact thoughts when l read the post about them keeping 1.5% in the earlier post. The usual unbelievable lack of sensitivity shown by Drastics hit squad...even by the lowly standards they have set as their benchmark, they have lowered the bar to a new low...in fact at this rate they need to dig a trench to get it any lower. :( :( :(
Quote from: madness on 11-06-18, 07:45PM
Managers are going back to 2x payment as many are not picking up Sundays as a 6th working day. Stores can't get management cover.
Ok so thats news , which place did you find this from ?
Quote from: mexicopete on 11-06-18, 09:33PM
@kaled78 these were my exact thoughts when l read the post about them keeping 1.5% in the earlier post. The usual unbelievable lack of sensitivity shown by Drastics hit squad...even by the lowly standards they have set as their benchmark, they have lowered the bar to a new low...in fact at this rate they need to dig a trench to get it any lower. :( :( :(
I think they have not recived a pay rise in line with what we have got , if that is so then thats why they have not sorted out the sunday rate , Its around the so called skill payment mess 8-)
I dont think the managers know anything yet, still waiting on answers.
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Thanks for any help!
When is there going to be any communication about this. There only 2 Sunday's left at time and half. Managers are just telling staff different things in store like it's a straight payment of the loss. To keep people happy so the keep doing them for now. They've know this was going to happen last July.
All the communication seems to suggest a letter to home address for those affected in JUNE (so sometime in the next 18 days) - but clearly if that's only 3% of workforce, it might be a struggle to know whether they've been sent out or not.
As previous posts in this thread have suggested, people who work Sundays only should get a letter - so if you know anyone - ask.
Very frustrating the underhand way that Tesco seem to be going about (and seemingly allowed to go about) the method of calculating any "loss".
As previously stated - how they can compare a year prior to pay rise to a year after all the pay rises have been implemented (over a 20 month period I think) is baffling.
It will just create a divided workplace/workforce - but then again, it's a like it or lump it scenario.
Unfortunately, moving forward, Tesco will always be able to find school leavers/students willing to work for £8.50+ an hour - regardless of whether it's Saturday, Sunday etc.
They generally carry on with their social lives (I'm just jealous) and turn up with hangovers every Sunday - and probably Saturday as well if they work early enough.
5 years down the line, it'll be like "premium payments" never existed!!
>:(gg >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Lost track on all of this so just want to ask for a summary of what's happening please.
My days off are Sunday and Monday,will I get a payment ?
The-shelf-filler - No. Never. In your dreams.
If you don't like it opt out of Sunday working or find a new job. Every company would do the same thing. Making no excuses for the poor coms from MM though. It's the usual they like to pretend they understand but don't have a clue.
The thing that I find unsavory about this is this is that the rate of pay in November 2016 would not even meet the present minimum wage so how can they use this for comparison. I will be - working 30 hours a week including Sunday - compared with 30 June pay rates, approximately £11 a week worse of on July 1st and £2 a week worse off with the November pay rise. When presented with the new contract, why would I sign a contract with a lesser rate of pay unless I am compensated for doing so. That £11 a week for four or five months is really going to hurt. Used to have disposable income on nights money but no longer.
Quote from: lordadmiral on 12-06-18, 07:43PM
The-shelf-filler - No. Never. In your dreams.
So why not ?
Because you don't work Sunday...
Quote from: alf on 13-06-18, 03:20AM
Because you don't work Sunday...
What if someone worked Saturday night ?
I am contracted monday to friday but work every sunday as overtime. Do i get anyyhing?
Why doesn't everyone just wait & see instead of asking people on here who can't answer the question!!
Quote from: Red65 on 13-06-18, 08:56AM
I am contracted monday to friday but work every sunday as overtime. Do i get anyyhing?
no you don't as you are not contracted for that day.
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Quote from: Charlie Harper on 09-06-18, 04:43PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 09-06-18, 12:18PM
Wont touch any premiums again untill july 2020.This was in the pay briefing.It is my understanding the 16p per hour payrise we get in july is Tesco reinvesting the cut in sunday and bank holidays to time and quarter.What you earned in 12 months to june 2018,and what you earn with the 16p pay rise for next 12 months,the diffrence is your pay out ,18 months diffrence,awarded in july.Staff should be getting a letter shortly.
Here's what Usdaw said when asked to explain how cushion payments are worked out...
To calculate if staff will receive a transition payment Tesco will analysis a years pay data for every member of staff from November 2016 to November 17. This would then be compared with what their pay would be working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay and the lower premium rate. If an individual is worse off under the new pay structure, they will receive a payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay. If people have worked Sunday as overtime between these dates this would be included in their calculation. Not everyone who works Sunday will receive a payment. Its about weather following ALL the changes (in the 2 year pay plan, not just the extra 16p per hour in July) they are financially impacted. Tesco will be writing to staff affected in June to confirm payment they receive.
The fact that Tesco stated that 97% of the work force would be ''Better off'' (& therefore would not be receiving a pay out) means I'm expecting nothing.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 13-06-18, 10:15AM
Quote from: Red65 on 13-06-18, 08:56AM
I am contracted monday to friday but work every sunday as overtime. Do i get anyyhing?
no you don't as you are not contracted for that day.
Does that not mean that they
could :question:
Despite the lack of comms etc. this really isn't rocket science.
Clearly, if you do not work Sundays, then you will not get a cushion payment - because you are not going to be negatively impacted.
In fact, you will "enjoy" the full benefit of the headline 10.5% pay increase (over 20-odd months).
I'm surprised by the calculations of previous poster (Red75) who claims to be worse off - despite working a 30 hour week. Can I ask how many hours (of your 30) are worked on a Sunday? It seems highly unlikely using Tesco's rather dubious method of calculation that you could be worse off (you won't be 10.5% better off, but unlikely it will be worse off).
As for people doing overtime, yes you will have this included in any assessment - but again, unless you barely do any hours for the rest of the week, it's unlikely to trigger a cushion payment.
Simple example:
Let's say you're contracted to 12 hours during the week.
You also happen to work EVERY Sunday as overtime - let's say 7.5 hours.
Even on this example you would not qualify for a cushion payment.
The only possibilty would be if, lets say as an example, you only worked 7 hours during the week, and happened to do Sunday overtime of 8+ hours per week.
Remember BH working is also included in this - so if you happened to work 6 BHs a year (think we're closed on Easter Sunday and Christmas Day) - then that would "improve" your chances of getting a cushion payment.
This is a forum where we try to help each other - so I'm happy to assist until the small number of letters Tesco sends out start landing on the door mats!!
I'm also hoping that Tesco do show a full breakdown in their calculations - rather than just a couple of figures.
I understand that over the whole period of the pay reward I will be better off. I will have receive a higher rate of pay in July 2018 than I was receiving in November 2016. What I am pointing at is the immediate effect. I will be £11 worse off at the beginning of July than I was at the end of June.
What would a full timer get 36.5 working every sunday.Another 7.5 hours lost,premium,but 16p in july and 3% in nov covers that.It just means in effect no payrise.Robbing b*****ds
Quote from: Red75 on 13-06-18, 02:28PM
I understand that over the whole period of the pay reward I will be better off. I will have receive a higher rate of pay in July 2018 than I was receiving in November 2016. What I am pointing at is the immediate effect. I will be £11 worse off at the beginning of July than I was at the end of June.
Yes, I see what you mean now. But in Tesco's minds, they are basing the "November 2016" position as the "old position" and "November 2018" as the new position - whereas you are rightly comparing the difference between your June 2018 pay packet with your July 2018 pay packet.
Unfortunately, any complaints fall on deaf ears.
Much anger is being vented torwards Tesco, but remember USDAW passed it. I'm currently in the Union (for all their sins) but have decided that once I've had my free will writing service out of them, (which I've applied for today) then I'm quitting them.
Left USDAW 2 years ago,and fully reccomend any one thinking about it do it now.
Quote from: The-shelf-filler on 12-06-18, 07:35PM
Lost track on all of this so just want to ask for a summary of what's happening please.
My days off are Sunday and Monday,will I get a payment ?
Yes you will get a payment, it's called earning your wages from Tuesday until Sat*rday!
https://www.kentlive.news/whats-on/shopping/tesco-tons-jobs-offer-kent-1673742 (https://www.kentlive.news/whats-on/shopping/tesco-tons-jobs-offer-kent-1673742)
QuoteHere's what's on offer to employees:
Colleague discount card (including a second card for a family member) after six months service with 10 per cent off most purchases at Tesco
An annual bonus scheme where you could achieve up to 3.5 per cent of eligible 2016/17 earnings.
Childcare vouchers
Share schemes
Deals and discounts through Tesco including Tesco Mobile and Tesco Bank
Deals and discounts through many other external businesses
Earn one and a half times your hourly rate when working Sundays and an additional £2.21 for every hour worked between midnight and 6am
Tosco will just blame this on an oversight by the new Adminstrators in the stores affected as they are new at their jobs :-X :-X :-X :-X The old PMs were far to good at their jobs to have allowed this mistake to happen. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
They can't even afford the "Administrators"
Just checked vacancies still advertising time and a half for sundays ;D
Nearly as funny as the local express stores around where I live advertising 8 hour weekly contracts and it says salary is "competitive" what with a full time paper round.
Working 30 hours a week. 7.5 hours on Sunday. I'm going to be approximately £11 per week (4.3%) better off in November 2018 than I was in November 2016. Taking into account inflation this is not a rise and more likely a cut. People will struggle with the realisation that Tesco can reduce their pay, by a not insignificant amount, at the end of June with no compensation whatsoever.
Speaking to a manager, who claims to have read the literature which was distributed at the time of the pay deal. She has no notion of how this is going to work. She seems to think that we will be compensated for the earnings which we lose at the end of June.
Interestingly, I can not find any information on the formula that is to be used for the compensation of the loss of earnings relating to the reduction in Sunday premium on the USDAW website.
Nice to see Dave Lewis has negotiated himself a new bonus package that will pay out 6x salary if targets are met.
Quote from: Red Rock on 13-06-18, 10:07PM
Quote from: The-shelf-filler on 12-06-18, 07:35PM
Lost track on all of this so just want to ask for a summary of what's happening please.
My days off are Sunday and Monday,will I get a payment ?
Yes you will get a payment, it's called earning your wages from Tuesday until Sat*rday!
A yes or no would suffice instead of sarcastic comments.
If you do not work on a Sunday then why should you be geting a pay out , that is what he means ,
Quote from: Red75 on 14-06-18, 08:00PM
Working 30 hours a week. 7.5 hours on Sunday. I'm going to be approximately £11 per week (4.3%) better off in November 2018 than I was in November 2016. Taking into account inflation this is not a rise and more likely a cut. People will struggle with the realisation that Tesco can reduce their pay, by a not insignificant amount, at the end of June with no compensation whatsoever.
Speaking to a manager, who claims to have read the literature which was distributed at the time of the pay deal. She has no notion of how this is going to work. She seems to think that we will be compensated for the earnings which we lose at the end of June.
Interestingly, I can not find any information on the formula that is to be used for the compensation of the loss of earnings relating to the reduction in Sunday premium on the USDAW website.
Nice to see Dave Lewis has negotiated himself a new bonus package that will pay out 6x salary if targets are met.
They will calculate what youvearned between june 17 to June 18 then estimate what you would earn between june 18 and june 19 then give you a pay out of the difference in your July pay but you'll receive a letter before hand to tell you if you are entitled to anything.
Quote from: notsofunny on 14-06-18, 11:53PM
If you do not work on a Sunday then why should you be geting a pay out , that is what he means ,
Unless you work nights in which case Saturday night into Sunday gets Sunday premium pay.
Quote from: claden on 15-06-18, 07:08AM
Quote from: notsofunny on 14-06-18, 11:53PM
If you do not work on a Sunday then why should you be geting a pay out , that is what he means ,
Unless you work nights in which case Sat*rday night into Sunday gets Sunday premium pay.
I do work nights.
Quote from: claden on 15-06-18, 07:08AM
Quote from: notsofunny on 14-06-18, 11:53PM
If you do not work on a Sunday then why should you be geting a pay out , that is what he means ,
Unless you work nights in which case Sat*rday night into Sunday gets Sunday premium pay.
Even if you work nights you would need to work on a sunday ,, Sat into Sunday means you work Sunday ,
Do those that work on nights get a night rate as well as a sunday rate ?
Quote from: claden on 15-06-18, 07:07AM
Quote from: Red75 on 14-06-18, 08:00PM
Working 30 hours a week. 7.5 hours on Sunday. I'm going to be approximately £11 per week (4.3%) better off in November 2018 than I was in November 2016. Taking into account inflation this is not a rise and more likely a cut. People will struggle with the realisation that Tesco can reduce their pay, by a not insignificant amount, at the end of June with no compensation whatsoever.
Speaking to a manager, who claims to have read the literature which was distributed at the time of the pay deal. She has no notion of how this is going to work. She seems to think that we will be compensated for the earnings which we lose at the end of June.
Interestingly, I can not find any information on the formula that is to be used for the compensation of the loss of earnings relating to the reduction in Sunday premium on the USDAW website.
Nice to see Dave Lewis has negotiated himself a new bonus package that will pay out 6x salary if targets are met.
They will calculate what youvearned between june 17 to June 18 then estimate what you would earn between june 18 and june 19 then give you a pay out of the difference in your July pay but you'll receive a letter before hand to tell you if you are entitled to anything.
Pay data: Earnings calculated at Nov 16 to Nov 17. This will be compared with what pay would be, working exact same hours with new higher rate and new lower premium rates.
If your full time 36.5 hours per week and work every Sunday,you will lose 7.5 hours premium per month at £8.02 you will be £60.15 a month worse off. With pay rise in July and November you will get an extra £61.36 per month so overall £1.17 per month better off.
So much for 10% pay rise, fairness, transparency and treating others with respect. The great Tesco, and Drastic Dave and his cronies.
I got a letter today, and when I saw it I thought, oh here goes a dear john letter to tell me I'm going down on Sunday to time and a quarter, you see I'm no longer Tesco as they got rid of me to vision express. But low and behold, the clouds parted lol and Tesco came good, for once lol, the letter told me that I was getting my bonus even though we were told we wouldn't get it, so thank you Tesco, you played fair, thanks very much.
so we go to time and a quarter shortly. are managers going to time and a quarter to? Has anyone received a letter about pay out yet?
Patience is a virtue :D :D :D >:( >:( >:(
Managers should be paid single time at most to reflect the amount of work they do......lazy bu***rd.
Maybe in your experience Fatboy, but not in mine! The premium payments meant that little bit bit graft as there was half as many folk in to do the job, so us lazy bu***rd's had to put more effort in!
I'd be telling your lot to get their finger out fella!
From the amount of posts read on here about the lack of effort from managers, I think it's a wider problem than just in my store!!
Totally agree with you fatboy
Yes I think everyone would agree! I'd say at least 90% of management are lazy, overpaid. I've only come across one or two managers that have ever been any help and that worked as hard as a GA. Less management = happier workforce!
They should calculate like they did last year when we lost double time not sure if they are .
Yes alot of the managers are lazy but some people should take a look at themselves first before making such allegations. It is the same people who want to decorate the 1 aisle while the in stores are through the roof elsewhere as cages of stock are left in the warehouse unworked. If the customer is desparate to find something they will ask an assistant to locate the product. The major problem is people are unwilling to adapt to modern retail and are stuck in ways they were trained to 10 20 30+ years ago. Products in a warehouse cannot be located as fast as those on shelf's but not pulled forward. Tesco could get away with this years ago but with discounters ringing there throat and amazon knocking them on the head people have to move with the times.
Quote from: his scots tie on 16-06-18, 05:23PM
If your full time 36.5 hours per week and work every Sunday,you will lose 7.5 hours premium per month at £8.02 you will be £60.15 a month worse off. With pay rise in July and November you will get an extra £61.36 per month so overall £1.17 per month better off.
So much for 10% pay rise, fairness, transparency and treating others with respect. The great Tesco, and Drastic Dave and his cronies.
Didn't completely follow your calcs here Scotsboy.
Overall, I agree entirely that anyone who works on a Sunday (and works pretty much a full 36.5 hour week) will not get 10.5% - but I'm not sure how you get £1.17.
also, what Loki confirmed in the post just before/after yours shows an extra complication in any calculation:
If the periods of comparison are July 17-June 18, and July 18-June 19, then within the first year you have to factor in the first pay rise we got (in Nov 17).
Didn't we go from 7.62 to 8.02?
So, using your example:
29 hours (@single rate) and 7.5 hours at Sunday (@1.5).
July 2017 - Oct 2017 (let's say 16 weeks): So, 29*7.62 =
£220.98 & 7.5*1.5*7.62 =
£85.73; Total Weekly Pay =
£306.71 Total Pay for 16 weeks = £4907.36
Nov 17 - June 2018 (36 weeks) 29*8.02 =
£232.58 & 7.5*1.5*8.02 =
£90.23; weekly =
£322.80; total for 36 weeks = £11620.98
Total Period for 52 weeks =
£16528.34 or an average of £317.85 per weekNow onto July 2018. I'm guessing some of the increases here - so feel free to correct me - or insert correct figures into my calculations:
I believe we get 16p an hour in July - so that's 8.18 an hour, and then another 3% in Nov 2018 = 8.42
So: July '18 - Oct '18 (let's say 16 weeks) 29*8.18 =
£237.22 & 7.5*1.25*8.18 =
£76.69 Total weekly =
£313.91 total for 16 weeks = £5,022.56
Nov '18 - June 19 (36 weeks) 29*8.42=
£244.18 & 7.5*1.25*8.42=
£78.94 Total Weekly =
£323.12 total for 36 weeks = £11,632.23
Total for 52 weeks =
£16,654.79 or £320.28 per week (or
0.77% higher than previous year's comparison) - so a long way short of the headline 10.5% figure.
Although, to be fair to Tesco, the 10.5% figure isn't a comparison of these two 52 week periods, it is £8.42 compared to £7.62 (i.e. from before Nov 2017 to after Nov 2018)
I've guessed at the 16 weeks and 36 weeks split - as I cannot remember exactly which periods the various increases are coming in from. However, even if it's 20 weeks and 32 weeks, the maths shouldn't really differ much.
I got told they are using our November pay rise in the calculation is this true?
There was conflicting reports of what periods they were using to do the comparisons.
Clearly, if they used Nov 2016-Oct 2017 then that would all be at the old rate of 7.62 and time and a half.
If they then compare to Nov 2018 - Oct 2019, that would then be comparing with base rate of 8.42 and time and a quarter.
But even by Tesco standards, using these two periods as comparators would be "sneaky"
The time periods mentioned by Loki seem more logical - basically it's the year before the change from 1.5 to 1.25, and then the following year.
Thank you thought it would be a bit under handed even by them lol
I do Believe the calculating period is july 17 - june 18 against July 18 to june 19 expected earnings
Barafear my calculations are i am on £8.02 at the moment x 36.5 hours.Premium for sunday is x 15 hours.A total of 1292.47 per month.In November pay will be £8.42 x36.5 hours,but premium onkg 7.5 hours per month a total of 1291.22 diffrence £1.25 per month.Obviously if you work full time and dont do sundays you get the full pay rise of aprox £61 per month.
Lots of conflicting information on here. The pay brief leaflet stated that if colleagues would be worse off when all pay rises had occurred they would be be receiving a payment. The USDAW for all tesco staff Facebook page published the calculation in February, stating the formula Tesco would be using ie pay rate £7.62 and time and a half , against pay rate £8.42 and time and a quarter. If this is true, there won't be much of a payout for anyone. Only 12 days for the letters to arrive. Don't hold your breath >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: chris9997 on 18-06-18, 06:52PM
I do Believe the calculating period is july 17 - june 18 against July 18 to june 19 expected earnings
No. It's Nov 16 to Nov 17. That's the official brief from Usdaw received end of last week.
Even though Usdaw state:
This will be compared with what pay would be, working exact same hours with new higher rate and new lower premium rates.
I don't see how it is right that the pay increase in Nov 18 should be included when using their calculations because we haven't had it yet irrespective of it being part of the 2 year deal. It would make more sense if they compare up to and including July 1st increase (16p per hr basic). Even still that's bad enough!
Yet again not crystal clear from either party. Whichever it may be, July 18 or Nov 18, the fact remains that those working Sundays will lose out long term.
Pay decreases of this kind through the back door as well as the new skill rate are an absolute disgrace.
No one in my store has a clue, the only info anyone has is letters should arrive this week.
I study full time and I only work saturday/sunday nights, been employed since November, would anyone know if I was eligible as im close to leaving but ill hang on for a bit more if theres a possibility of getting something, then abruptly leave and they can chase me back for it.
Not sure if you are due any type of pay off if you only started in November ,
So someone with a skill payment and works Mon-Fri so thus gets the full 10.5% pay rise is in a win win position??
There is no 10.5% pay rise. Look what they include to get that figure. Ludicrous.
The 10.5% increase to £8.42, is the concrete cash/money increase, it doesn't include any of the nonsense* Tesco try to peddle as constituting as part of our hourly rate.
Though note, I'm not defending the figure, as frankly it's disingenuous of Tesco to claim they're giving us an 10.5% increase, as a percentage of that is legally required to meet the NLW increase this year, not to mention how they funded it by cutting other peoples pay.
*For those interested, Tesco claim we have an equivalent pay rate of £9.52 per hour...
Quote from: notsofunny on 19-06-18, 10:03PM
Not sure if you are due any type of pay off if you only started in November ,
As was my assumption, bit annoying when the contract states time and a half though :D
Managers are clueless though, always along the lines of "uhhh I don't know I'll ask so and so to find out" which of course means p**s off.
Quote from: Loki on 20-06-18, 12:22AM
There is no 10.5% pay rise. Look what they include to get that figure. Ludicrous.
Staff have seen pay increase over 2 years pay deal by 10.25%, from £7.62 to £8.42 by November 2018. For full time staff, not contracted to Sundays that's £116.80 extra monthly.
However full time staff contracted to Sundays HAVE LOST 22.5 hours premium @ 8.42 that's £189.45 LOSS. Even after the 10.25% pay rise that's £72.65 LESS per month.
Sun and B/H premiums cut from double time to time and half to be cut again to Time and quarter.
All overtime rates gone.
Night premium between 10pm and midnight gone.
Current Night Premiums frozen.
Skill payments implemented and compartmentalised giving no guarantee of increase in line with basic hourly rate for future pay "deals" (much like night Premiums).
All within a short period of time.
The 10.5% increase is misleading to say the least.
Yes we are all being screwed.
...well and truly.
Quote from: Loki on 20-06-18, 09:57AM
Sun and B/H premiums cut from double time to time and half to be cut again to Time and quarter.
All overtime rates gone.
Night premium between 10pm and midnight gone.
Current Night Premiums frozen.
Skill payments implemented and compartmentalised giving no guarantee of increase in line with basic hourly rate for future pay "deals" (much like night Premiums).
All within a short period of time.
The 10.5% increase is misleading to say the least.
Agreed :thumbup: :thumbup:
Night workers penalised yet again, everybody gets a rise only us. Shame on Tesco shame on union for letting it happen. Cancelling my union membership today, as they seem to work for Tesco, I advise everyone to do the same.
I can't believe that you've waited until today to cancel union subs.
USDAW - complete and utter waste of time.
Thankfully I've never been a member
This is a difficult one.
I am adversely affected by this latest change.
However, the basic premise seems to be "if you don't like it, go and find another job"
Ultimately, this is the only way that Tesco and all other "retailers" can possibly change.
Problem is - there will "always" be people willing to work "unsocial" hours.
The issue that most people (rightly) have on here is that it's a case of "when I joined these were the t&c - now you're changing them - and not compensating me"
Moving forward, as I said, when Tesco need to recruit - new starters will not know any different - it will simply be "this is the pay, these are your "unsocial hours" - i.e. the shifts we're prepared to offer you - do you want the job or shall we offer it to someone else?
Unfortunately, the only way we - as current employees - can make a stand is "leave" - and see if Tesco manage to replace us.
Unfortunately, the case is likely to be yes. If we manage to get a "better" job, then it's win-win.
It's a dilemma.
The thing that I find sticks in the throat is that Tesco are clearly adding "spin" to the story to make it sound positive. When clearly, for a large number of workers (i.e. those who will not see the benefit of the full 10.5%) it is not positive. They mention the 3% who will get a cushion payment as being the "only losers" - but that's clearly not the point.
Reason the problem has happened is partly because Tesco stopped giving us annual increases (coinciding, I think, with when things went downhill for Tesco) - this meant that when the NLW was introduced, our current rate of pay was periously close - we went from being paid a good 10-15% above the "min wage" to being on the precipice of the new NLW. This meant Tesco had to do something dramatic - i.e. 10% payrise to keep pace with the NLW - but clearly not affordable without looking for some savings.
You pay peanuts you get monkeys
Good points barafear. Its amazing how when people drop sundays how because of cut in premiums tosco have nk problem in replacing them.Same with overtime at single time,and bank holidays at time and quarter.Who on earth is going to work Boxing Day,New Years Day for less than two hours pay,plus another day off of course.But no doubt theyll be queuing up.Amazing.
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So has anyone had a letter yet with a payout for losing sundays?
Be interesting to see how many staff actually get any money!!
Well they have just announced double discount starting on the 29th of June so people who do get a pay out probably Tesco will get most of it back lol
Where has it been announced?
It's posted on Our Tesco from Friday till the 5th July
How has there be no letters sent out they said June which there is only now 9 days left off. And this Sunday is the last Sunday of time and half
Letters going out from 25th if your lucky enough to get a payout.
If you get a payout it is on 27th July.
Yes 27th july for payout,letters sent out from 25th June
I see tesco direct is excluded in the double discount😈
As usual late with the information again.. letters should have been sent out way before the end of June if u ask me. Not that im expecting anything...
Double discount to cushion the blow of receiving nothing for the reduction in Sunday premium and to give the overpaid senior and store managers something to talk about, to put a positive spin on something that is negative. I just can't be bothered these days. I work on grocery and I'm kind of number 2 tins man. I do that on the days that number 1 isn't in and then I'm shunted from pillar to post on the other days. It can be stressful, most aisles are a mess, and it's hard work. I really don't care about Tesco. I hope to leave one day soon. Theyv'e treated their staff with contempt for years. How did they achieve their increasing profit margin - by cutting costs - mainly staffing - so a lot of us are having to work harder for our pittance of pay.
The way it should be worked out is the number of premium hours lost per month x 18.Thats to easy for the robbing b*****ds
I came across some old store reports today for the store l worked at in 2005, sales budget £425k wages budget £47k.
My current store has a sales budget of £480k and a wages budget of £37k.
Fairly easy to see where the increase in profit comes from.
Both stores are in fairl prosperous arras.
Quote from: his scots tie on 21-06-18, 05:03PM
The way it should be worked out is the number of premium hours lost per month x 18.Thats to easy for the robbing b*****ds
yes totally agree I think that's how it was worked out last year.Typical tesco change the rules to suit them selves.
Quote from: Night Owl on 21-06-18, 05:46PM
I came across some old store reports today for the store l worked at in 2005, sales budget £425k wages budget £47k.
My current store has a sales budget of £480k and a wages budget of £37k.
Fairly easy to see where the increase in profit comes from.
Both stores are in fairly prosperous arras.
Not really, It could be, if you can tell us how much the rates have gone up, or running costs of the store, then work out Inflation for the last 12 years, then things like self serve tills which would have cut down staff levels, cut backs on staff levels, as well as Team leaders, personnel managers and so on if you can work that out then it would be easy to work out.
What I would say is that from my experience of the department in which I work and from my conversations with management - staffing hours have decreased in the last couple of years. I don't doubt that automation and cuts to expenditure in other areas have increased profit margins. I would estimate that staffing levels on the grocery department on which I work have decreased by at least a third since we changed from nights to days. I have no doubt that these cuts in staffing levels are due to the business being forced to increase wages for it's lowest paid workers due to the rising minimum wage. I do think that the wages and bonuses paid to our leadership and senior management are excessive and out of proportion to the profits which the business is generating. Dave Lewis and the leadership of Tesco are big time capitalists, they only care about lining their pockets and their only solution to increasing profitability is to make cuts. The business continues to follow others rather than innovate. I just find Tesco these days to be a pretty nasty company but I don't pretend that many other large businesses are much different.
I'm at the stage concerning Sunday work as I don't really care to be frank; I work it as it suits my lifestyle, but the people that have gone from double time, time and half and then time and a quarter must be livid.
People need to wake up and smell the coffee, there not doing for the good a benefit of those that work Sunday's, it will come that Sunday premium will be faded out. Only my opinion. But remember folks, if your not happy then I would find alternative employment as we're just numbers!
I'm one of the those who have gone from double time; time and half and now time and quarter! The whole thing p**ses me off! If I could get my hours back in the week I would but 'no' is the answer when I asked!!
I'm not expecting anything for the loss as I know tesco has screwed us over and they way they are working out the calculations!!
I'm not lucky enough to drop the Sunday hrs on principle if I could afford it I would never have gone to contract Sundays to begin with. So at the moment I'm stuck on Sundays for time and a quarter!!
They would rather take on new staff on daft 8 hour contracts than keep people happy and give them a decent amount of hours. The turnover of staff is getting pathetic now. You get the folks who have been there for years alongside a few university students looking for £80 drinking money.
£80 drinking money!!! Wow, things really have changed since I last went out.
In terms of Tesco (and other companies) preferring part timers or even "close to zero" hours contracts is two fold:
1) NICs - this is the Employers' National insurance that Tesco have to pay; this is worked out on an individuals weekly wage (or averaged over the 4-week pay period). Not sure of the exact figure - but it's around £675 being the limit before Tesco have to pay anything. So for all employees who earn less than £675 per pay period, Tesco pay no NI.
2) "overtime" - or additional hours - as in my eyes, OT should be paid at a premium. So a lot of this will be historic - so at the time that any hours above 36.5 were paid at time and half - it was beneficial for Tesco to have people doing 20 hours or less - and then allowing/encouraging them to do adiditional hours - but only up to 36.5!! Now that the time and half has been done away with - makes no difference - they give people fewer hours than they really want - knowing that they will readily agree to do hours when Tesco need them to do hours - rather than what particularly suits the employee. Of course, flexi contracts also help with this.
Got £1.80 paid into my bank account from Tosco.Is this for loss of sunday premium? LOL
Should not think so we don't get that if any till July pay day
I had £1.01 go in my bank today as well
I had £1.22 put into mine as well
I got £2.30 in mines
Whats it for? Being robbed again no doubt.
Dividend on your shares??
Yes thats what it is,tc1,dividend on shares.
Got bit over £100. Do you guys really do not remember that you received some shares in past? and its dividend paid out .... how any one can forget about having some savings, even if its small amount?
Think you should all look at your paper work , some day you will close your account move house and lose contact with your investment ,
Most are hoping for a few hundred paid out over the sunday fiasco , Yet seem to have forgoten that they hold a few hundred pound in shares 8-)
Since when did they start paying any dividends on shares through pay roll / wages system ? , it always came from Equinity in the past either as a cheque - Re invested to buy more shares or paid direct into your bank account through them ?.
Dont have any shares,sold them all,some at over £5.This was dividend from last lot of shares,sold in May.
Think you have a choice to be paid by cash on Equinity website for dividend.
Quote from: his scots tie on 22-06-18, 08:21PM
Dont have any shares,sold them all,some at over £5.This was dividend from last lot of shares,sold in May.
When did they reach £5 , I must have missed that ???
They were near £5 in 2009 or 2010, never quite made it to £5 though.
ok found it , it was £4.88 in 2007 thats the highest its been ,
I only asked since scot said he sold his at over £5 ,
his scots tie , did you not get any more free shares after 2007 ?
Yes got more shares after 2007,but sell them every year.Last lot of free shares just become availaible in may.When i sold mine at a fiver would reckon about 2007 2008.Perhaps it was just under,though sure it was over £5. Shares did go above £5 in 1998 though.
It's probably on here somewhere but are the letters given out in store or posted to home address
Shares reached 480 in 2007 it was around November when I sold some of mine it has been a downward spiral since.
Wouldn't really say a downward spiral since. The share price is at its highest since July 2014.
Fatboy at 260 it has a long way to even reach 400
Very true. Just saying it hasn't been a downward spiral since as it has steadily increased over the last 4 years.
Can we not get back to topic about Sunday premiums down to time and a quarter , I opened a topic last week about the shares and shares price and dividends etc and as yet no one as put there views and opinions on the page - they keep posting in this subject which is about Sunday Premiums down to time and a quarter .
Current share price is £261.70p per share. ;D ;D ;D Can't see it rising to £3 or above, Still to much threat over Lidl/Aldi and the Asda/Sainsbury's merger. Let's keep talking about shares and how horrible Tesco's management is! The only way to improve the Share price is to sack 90% of Tesco management! Shares, shares, shares!
If they got rid of the night lead and introduced shift leaders to large format the shares would rise. Shares shares shares :D :D ;D.
In answer to someone's question , a few pages back , I think letters are going to store not home address . Probably given out by your manager and you have to sign for it , that's how it was done when double time , overtime rate and night premium 1 went .
I am a delivery driver and current rate is 9.11. I received a new contract in March 18 stating my total rate of pay is £396.37 per week. I work 10 hours on Sunday. I calculate that the new weekly wage will be £380.00. So surely I should be offered a new contract to reflect this and have 30 days to consider it. No managers in in my CFC have a clue about this.The "Colleague Site" said "ask your manager". Emails to the benefits department have been ignored. There has been no communication from Tesco as promised in the payrise booklet. This must be a breach of employment law.
by the way I am cancelling USDAW membership
The thing is even the union reps dont know when u ask them whats what!
I asked one of the union reps the other day and he said "your guess is as good as mine" Cancelled Usdaw membership this morning so instant £10 a month pay rise - wonder if i can sue for the last 4 years of paying for nothing ?
BREAKING NEWS
Thanks for coming through. Your line manager will receive information regarding the changes to Sunday pay from the 28th of June onwards. They will also hand you your letter regarding the impact of those changes to you specifically.
Kind Regards,
Tom Hollick
Benefits Analyst– Reward and Benefits Team, People
Tesco Stores Ltd, Smile Building, Shire Park, Welwyn Garden City, Herts AL7 1GA
T Internal: 329112 | | Thomas.hollick1@tesco.com | | www.tesco.com (http://www.tesco.com)
reckon i'll get the sack for that
Just found this on Reed
Customer Delivery Driver
Posted 11 June by Integrated Solutions EASY APPLY FEATURED
Erith , Kent £8.69 - £15.89 per hour Permanent, full-time
Have you held a full UK driving licence for at least one year with three or less penalty points?
Do you have any customer service or van delivery experience?
Does a fulfilling role in customer service interest you?
We are recruiting multiple customer delivery driver positions for one of the four largest supermarkets in the UK. The position starts as a temporary post, and you will have the opportunity to move into full time work with the company, following a successful 12-week performance review.
Customer Delivery Driver Job Highlights:
Immediate start
Temporary position with permanent potential
Weekly pay
Paid holiday
Pre-planned routes with loaded vans
Training and Uniform provided
On-site manager to support your ongoing training
Available Shift Patterns:
Mornings (ex. 5am - 10am)
Afternoons (ex. 12pm - 10pm)
Evenings (ex. 5pm - 11pm)
Pay Rate: £8.69 - £15.89 per hour
Customer Delivery Driver Job Requirements:
Full valid UK licence held for at least a year
No more than 3 points (No TT99, DR10s)
DBS application required
Six or more months of driving experience is an asset
Time keeping skills are crucial
Excellent communication skills
Living within a commutable distance
If you are interested, please apply and an Integrated Solutions recruitment specialist will contact you.
So either agency drivers are getting more than us or someone is lying
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That's a shame hoping they were coming in the post . I won't be in til Mon 2nd July so that means my night manager will put in a drawer somewhere never to be seen again
Anyone got a letter yet,regarding sunday premiums?
Quote from: sfo on 25-06-18, 11:28AM
BREAKING NEWS
Thanks for coming through. Your line manager will receive information regarding the changes to Sunday pay from the 28th of June onwards. They will also hand you your letter regarding the impact of those changes to you specifically.
Kind Regards,
Tom Hollick
Benefits Analyst– Reward and Benefits Team, People
Tesco Stores Ltd, Smile Building, Shire Park, Welwyn Garden City, Herts AL7 1GA
T Internal: 329112 | | Thomas.hollick1@tesco.com | | www.tesco.com (http://www.tesco.com)
Quote from: his scots tie on 25-06-18, 06:48PM
Anyone got a letter yet,regarding sunday premiums?
his scots tie , thats what was posted today
Cheers :thumbup:
So looking forward too my pay cut again while Dave enjoys his 4.5 million
Had an email from benefits that says we get a letter on Friday _it also says that we will be compensated for any loss in November I will be 13.55 per week better off than when we got the first rise. This equals a rise of 3.4 per cent . It isn't clear if they will make up the difference between the 10.57 per cent rise they promised and the 3.4 per cent I actually will have in November
If your E mail is correct then It would seem that not only do staff lose time and half , But also those few that will get paid have to wait till Novemeber to get a pay out 8-) ,
As to you asking about if they will make up the differance between 3.4% and 10.5% , From every thing I have read on this page and heard , NO you will not be paid the differance , Only those that lose money after all the pay rises will be getiing a pay out , scrooll up and I am sure you will be able to read what they Tesco said ,
Any loss is compensated in julys pay,when you get your booklet on friday,a message from Natash Adams clarifys this with the amount.
Quote from: notsofunny on 25-06-18, 07:30PM
Quote from: sfo on 25-06-18, 11:28AM
BREAKING NEWS
Thanks for coming through. Your line manager will receive information regarding the changes to Sunday pay from the 28th of June onwards. They will also hand you your letter regarding the impact of those changes to you specifically.
Kind Regards,
Tom Hollick
Benefits Analyst– Reward and Benefits Team, People
Tesco Stores Ltd, Smile Building, Shire Park, Welwyn Garden City, Herts AL7 1GA
T Internal: 329112 | | Thomas.hollick1@tesco.com | | www.tesco.com (http://www.tesco.com)
Quote from: his scots tie on 25-06-18, 06:48PM
Anyone got a letter yet,regarding sunday premiums?
his scots tie , thats what was posted today
As long as all is ok in the smile building.
what you on about ???
Hi is the payout being worked out from our 2016 pay ?
You will be lucky to get a payout
I know I'm not getting one anyway as I'll be £20 better off compared to 2016 but £40 worse of a month this year
Only a limited number of staff to get a payout only 5 in our store will get one.
people who work more than 2 days ( one day is sunday) will not receive compensation.
Unfortunately it tells you that someone on low contract is the biggest looser from all of us.
Someone on current 8.02 p/h can have 90.22 for 7.5 h. New rate from november 8.42 will give 78.94 for same hours. That is 12.5% pay reduction for sunday.
Would anyone try to claim constructive dismissal if Tesco were to reduce their pay as of July 1st. You have a contract for your pre July 1st amount of pay. I haven't agreed to the pay deal but are we bound by the agreement of our representatives? - very few of whom seem fit for purpose.
If I was in a better position financially, dependent on advice, I would consider it.
No - I think we are bound by a trade union collective agreement. Tesco can do whatever they want and USDAW will roll over.
Quote from: sfo on 25-06-18, 11:28AM
BREAKING NEWS
Thanks for coming through. Your line manager will receive information regarding the changes to Sunday pay from the 28th of June onwards. They will also hand you your letter regarding the impact of those changes to you specifically.
Kind Regards,
Tom Hollick
Benefits Analyst– Reward and Benefits Team, People
Tesco Stores Ltd, Smile Building, Shire Park, Welwyn Garden City, Herts AL7 1GA
T Internal: 329112 | | Thomas.hollick1@tesco.com | | www.tesco.com (http://www.tesco.com)
Apparently this is for the Tesco managers pay review. Just spoke to my manager and that's what she says the letter is for, from the store manager to them. Nothing to do with our Sunday Premiums.
There are examples in the booklet showing how compensation for loss of sunday premiums is worked out.A letter from Natasha Adams spouting corporote BS.Your manager hasnt read the booklet right.
Quote from: his scots tie on 28-06-18, 01:17PM
There are examples in the booklet showing how compensation for loss of sunday premiums is worked out.A letter from Natasha Adams spouting corporote bulls***.Your manager hasnt read the booklet right.
what booklet are you referring to please
It doesn't matter those losing out it are losing hardly anything this is a wage cut for some while Dave Lewis claims a larger wage. I cannot shop at knowing this. Try harder Dave!
Quote from: Millie on 28-06-18, 03:14PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 28-06-18, 01:17PM
There are examples in the booklet showing how compensation for loss of sunday premiums is worked out.A letter from Natasha Adams spouting corporote bulls***.Your manager hasnt read the booklet right.
what booklet are you referring to please
See reply 18 on Topic Has any one got more detail,by wearehearts
Anyone had a letter yet?
Good Morning
Anyone know the payroll phone number to cancel my Usdaw Thank You
go toUSDAW website for contact number for your area _ or 0800 030 80 30 and they will put you through apparently - I rand London office and cancelled over the phone -make sure you have your membership number
Thank you x
Can it still be done if you don't have your usdaw number
probably - ring and ask - they should be able to do it by your name I imagine
Thank you
All Cancelled hope everyone does the same
As tempting as it is to cancel my usdaw membership you never know when you might need them one of my colleagues was sacked our AO appealed the decision and she was reinstated so they have their uses.
Anyone received a letter yet? Be interesting to see the c**p they spin us ...
No nothing yet.Havent got me payday booklet yet either.Sure to be a coupon for 50p of something in there plus double discount,oh the savings.Have only got to try to make up £60 per month loss after all.
Not had a letter. Think it's been a shambles, they can't even notify us by the due date they said
Yep 2 days before a pay cut and even usdaw the fools that "negotiated" can't explain what's happening
This company needs to be looked into they cannot keep treating staff the way they do if you are meant to get a letter on a certain date you should get it if we have not received our letter by Saturday then the pay cut should not happen .
Quote from: claden on 29-06-18, 10:12AM
As tempting as it is to cancel my usdaw membership you never know when you might need them one of my colleagues was sacked our AO appealed the decision and she was reinstated so they have their uses.
You don't have to be a member USDAW, I've never been a member but recently joined Unite - as i could foresee turbulance ahead.
Indeed, recently had a disciplinary and took Unite in with me - the Unite rep was fantastic.
I don't mind Tosco throwing the book at me, as long as its within the law - and thats what i've got Unite for, to pick up Tosco on any employment law slip-ups
This is ridiculous Sun July first. If we are not one way or the other surely we have a grievance with the company and useless union will have to do something flood them with emails . I know it's a Sunday and it's going to be a nice day but we all work Sun any way.
Letters arrived in store yesterday 28/06. They aren't going to your home address. Team managers will brief effected colleagues one to one.
Only 6 colleagues effected overall in a store with 400 staff. The managers who work Sunday overtime have a decent pay off tho!!
So there is no letter for me i asked and only 3 staff members effected! So no letter means no payout!
Does anybody know how they are working it out then. I only work a few hours on a Sunday evening into Monday morning
Quote from: 123ttt on 29-06-18, 05:23PM
Only 6 colleagues effected overall in a store with 400 staff. The managers who work Sunday overtime have a decent pay off tho!!
how can the managers get a payout already?????,they are still on time and a half until september,and the rest of their paydeal has not been announced fully yet
Quote from: 123ttt on 29-06-18, 05:23PM
Only 6 colleagues effected overall in a store with 400 staff. The managers who work Sunday overtime have a decent pay off tho!!
Who told you that managers have had a pay off ? and if so what do you call a decent payoff ?
I did think that everyone who was contracted to Sundays would receive a letter - detailing their new rates of pay - at least in the interest of transparency. In all of the literature I've seen which relates to this pay rise, the only prominent thing is the 10.5% and the timing of the increases. There is little or no mention of how Sunday workers may, or as it turns out in most cases may not be, compensated for the loss of Sunday premium and reduction in wages in the second year of the pay deal.
The only mention I've seen is that those who will be worse off will be contacted at the end of June and 97% of staff will be better off under the new deal.
As a customer assistant I feel as if those high up at Tesco view us simply as an expense to be minimised.
I really do not wish to work hard for this company or these people.
We get endless c**p about all the good Tesco do for the environment, reducing waste and contributing to charity. Yet they do so little for the people on whose labor the company flourishes.
I'll make it clear to them that I sign the new contract grudgingly. I have no choice we are bound by the collective agreement which Usdaw and our colleague representatives have negotiated with Tesco.
I'll have to get on to trying to find a new job. Getting to old to stack shelves anyway.
Was it not on here the booklet we were supposed to be getting giving examples of how compensation has been worked out. And the letter, corporate bulls***, from natasha adams saying how much, or more than likely nothing, that majority of staff losing out will get.
Does anyone know where shift leaders in an express stand. I work nearly every Sunday. But apparently we are not entitled to anything. This doesn't seem fair at all.
Just been informed by my manager that based on my wage before last pay rise I am still better off now compared to then even on time and a quarter so once again we have been screwed over by tosser co NO COMPENSATION
TIME TO MOVE TO DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT PAYS MORE (WON'T BE HARD AS WE ARE LOWEST PAID NOW)
Quote from: notsofunny on 29-06-18, 08:02PM
Quote from: 123ttt on 29-06-18, 05:23PM
Only 6 colleagues effected overall in a store with 400 staff. The managers who work Sunday overtime have a decent pay off tho!!
Who told you that managers have had a pay off ? and if so what do you call a decent payoff ?
Managers on time on a half until 23rd September. They will receive their transition payment in October pay if they are worse off. Only 3 months notice for them.
Considering the long term impact on Sunday workers and the fact that the percentage "rise" being far less for them compared to a weekday worker, it's an absolute disgrace. The "cushion payment" should be calculated based on that and not what it is currently worked out on.
It's a cut to ones contractual pay. It's disgusting. Usdaw have a lot to answer for and the company have clearly demonstrated their disdain towards its employees.
Very well said Loki-couldn't agree more
Absolutely true this company do not care about their long term employees then they wonder why at they get bad WMTY.
I still think we should all flood union with complaints and the devil company with complaints. I am leaving union and will join another because you never know if their help will be needed at some time
The company is an absolute disgrace, it treats it's GA employees who by the way make the business it's profits and the ones at the top just look on how to screw you back over for your hard work. Best to leave asap and find another job elsewhere and do as little work as you can whilst your there too. Sainsbury's pay £9.20 a hour now but have also got rid of the Sunday allowance. Tesco will always give menial allowances from now on. When will they wake up and learn to get rid of more wasteful layers of management and employ more Ga's whilst also saving themselves a bucket load of money in the process.
And are not Usdaw the recognised Union at Sainsbury's? Hmmm...
USDAW have let down some of those affected at Sainsburys from the role change/removal. My aunt used to be Team leader with them until it was cut, they then created a role where you would be moved around stores on a group with sod all notice, traveling all kinds of distances and with no fuel allowance for it either.
Thankfully she took redundancy as she felt USDAW let them down.
Quote from: Life after tossco on 30-06-18, 10:07AM
When will they wake up and learn to get rid of more wasteful layers of management and employ more Ga's whilst also saving themselves a bucket load of money in the process.
Our store has employed more GAs but is not getting a good return from doing so because, in my view, dept managers are not making sure they pull their weight.
New GA's on new t&c's that don't give two hoots bout Tosco.
What do you expect, pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
Problem with monkeys is that you need to feed them and train them.
8)
From government website:
All shop and betting shop workers can opt out of Sunday working unless Sunday is the only day they have been employed to work on. They can opt out of Sunday working at any time, even if they agreed to it in their contract.
Shop and betting shop workers must:
give their employer 3 months' notice that they want to opt out
continue to work on Sundays during the 3 month notice period if their employer wants them to
An employer who needs staff to work on Sundays must tell them in writing that they can opt out. They must do this within 2 months of the person starting work - if they don't, only 1 month's notice is needed to opt out.
well I've never had a letter to say I can opt out so I guess it's 1 month notice. Letter going in today.
Where I used to give a fig now I don't ,I will do as little as possible now so they can go fxxx themselves .
Me too - just going to the minimum until I can find another job
Our store has new starts but the Team managers do not spend the time with them. Have seen a lot of them left with GAs who have only been at Tesco a few months and aren't exactly the best people to deliver training meanwhile the experience people riddled with arthritis are struggling on. As you say they need to scrap management etc who don't know the arse for elbow. The night TM must be the highest paid shelf fillers in the uk while the GAs get less at Tesco than many of our competitors. If you got rid of the TM you could have every aisle covered every night with no Team Fills, save money and GAs would have time to spare to go the extra mile. Why not have the SM out on the shop floor too instead of having a person that sits in an office for most of the shift. We do not need a manager eithier to give the SM our views. Synergies and better service :question:
Yes opt out of sunday working if you want,one months notice required.They have to try to give you hours back ,if thats what you want,during the rest of week.But its not guranteed that they can.
might be cutting my nose off to spite my face but it's a protest
Best of luck sfo :)
Quote from: Life after tossco on 30-06-18, 10:07AM
The company is an absolute disgrace, it treats it's GA employees who by the way make the business it's profits and the ones at the top just look on how to screw you back over for your hard work. Best to leave asap and find another job elsewhere and do as little work as you can whilst your there too. Sainsbury's pay £9.20 a hour now but have also got rid of the Sunday allowance. Tesco will always give menial allowances from now on. When will they wake up and learn to get rid of more wasteful layers of management and employ more Ga's whilst also saving themselves a bucket load of money in the process.
salaried staff (i.e managers) are easier to exploit to do unpaid hours worked
Quote from: Hammer10 on 30-06-18, 11:55AM
Where I used to give a fig now I don't ,I will do as little as possible now so they can go fxxx themselves .
this applies to a hell of a lot of people hammer. people who once cared and took pride in their work now don't give 2 f***s and can you blame them
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 30-06-18, 11:57AM
Our store has new starts but the Team managers do not spend the time with them. Have seen a lot of them left with GAs who have only been at Tesco a few months and aren't exactly the best people to deliver training meanwhile the experience people riddled with arthritis are struggling on. As you say they need to sc**p management etc who don't know the arse for elbow. The night TM must be the highest paid shelf fillers in the uk while the GAs get less at Tesco than many of our competitors. If you got rid of the TM you could have every aisle covered every night with no Team Fills, save money and GAs would have time to spare to go the extra mile. Why not have the SM out on the shop floor too instead of having a person that sits in an office for most of the shift. We do not need a manager eithier to give the SM our views. Synergies and better service :question:
at the store i work in, managers don't train anybody. it's always another ga who shows newbies what to do. i suspect thats the case in the majority of stores. what a f****ng joke!!
If your losing money on Sunday, slow your pace and be less productive, add extra 5 mins to breaks, take more toilet breaks etc and If you want to be drastic, hit them in the pocket don't shop there and rip up your discount card.
I am effected twice now by the change and each Sunday I work, I will look for small moral victories because I can't afford to lose the shift and will continue working.
It's scandalous there is no compensation payments, what is the point of contracts if they can change it when they feel like it. Surely this will be like a PPI claim in a few years when a higher authority will rule over USDAW's incompetence.
Quote from: sfo on 30-06-18, 12:21PM
might be cutting my nose off to spite my face but it's a protest
go for it mate. nice to see some people still have morals they believe in. i personally would like to see all sunday workers opt out while they still can!!
crypto. your first paragraph applies to me and i don't work sundays :-X
Lackofinterest
Yes it has been happening for years. It is no joke they shouldn't be leaving it to GAs let alone GAs who have hardly been trained themselves to do this. Company wide problem just like the communication.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 30-06-18, 11:57AM
Our store has new starts but the Team managers do not spend the time with them. Have seen a lot of them left with GAs who have only been at Tesco a few months and aren't exactly the best people to deliver training meanwhile the experience people riddled with arthritis are struggling on. As you say they need to sc**p management etc who don't know the arse for elbow. The night TM must be the highest paid shelf fillers in the uk while the GAs get less at Tesco than many of our competitors. If you got rid of the TM you could have every aisle covered every night with no Team Fills, save money and GAs would have time to spare to go the extra mile. Why not have the SM out on the shop floor too instead of having a person that sits in an office for most of the shift. We do not need a manager eithier to give the SM our views. Synergies and better service :question:
Greengrocer - Why do you think it take a manager to train the Newbies on how push cages and fill shelves, or am I missing something? Let's be honest, its just donkey work that almost anyone can do after a few shifts. They're called managers, but they don't really manage anything - just there to watch over the staff and help out if they can be bothered.
Well, I've been informed today that I won't be getting a payout because they've calculated it including any overtime I did last year. Even though I won't be doing anywhere near as much this year due to going to Uni. Absolute disgrace of a company.
Quote from: Teddybonkers on 30-06-18, 02:47PM
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 30-06-18, 11:57AM
Our store has new starts but the Team managers do not spend the time with them. Have seen a lot of them left with GAs who have only been at Tesco a few months and aren't exactly the best people to deliver training meanwhile the experience people riddled with arthritis are struggling on. As you say they need to sc**p management etc who don't know the arse for elbow. The night TM must be the highest paid shelf fillers in the uk while the GAs get less at Tesco than many of our competitors. If you got rid of the TM you could have every aisle covered every night with no Team Fills, save money and GAs would have time to spare to go the extra mile. Why not have the SM out on the shop floor too instead of having a person that sits in an office for most of the shift. We do not need a manager eithier to give the SM our views. Synergies and better service :question:
Greengrocer - Why do you think it take a manager to train the Newbies on how push cages and fill shelves, or am I missing something? Let's be honest, its just donkey work that almost anyone can do after a few shifts. They're called managers, but they don't really manage anything - just there to watch over the staff and help out if they can be bothered.
The standards are constantly falling. Let the TMs feel important. You're right they are called managers but manage nothing. Donkey work it is but many still can't manage it. Ps pull cages don't push :)
why they are still called managers beggars belief. supervisors maybe? they are not allowed to manage!!
Hammer 10 and Crypto I am with you that is exactly what I am going to be doing. This company does not care at all about their hard working, long serving GA,s as long as they get there big bonuses and ridiculous salaries nothing but a bunch of greedy b*****ds.
They should've payed out much like the old buyout formula. For those who work a lot of hours on Sundays and receiving no compensation for it, thereby receiving a far inferior percentage increase in wages in comparison to those who receive the max is outrageous.
bugsbunny
Do the bare minimum. The TMs have no appreciation for people doing the best they can. They are too busy trying to pass the buck to a GA for the failing of a whole shift.
Union subscriptions will be strained after there being hardly any cushion payments made. Could be the straw that broke the camels back for many a member.
And no recent communication from the union regarding this matter and details of calculations to boot. Just the usual ambiguity from them with regards to the time periods of which payroll will be looked at! A disgrace!
" here's a paycut" for weekend workers...that's basically what both the company and union are relaying to employees. No matter how they dress it up.
Parasites the lot of them.
But you got over 10% pay increase.... Yeah over two years which means roughly 5% per yeaar and it only brings you up to a future national minimum wage level.
Been told only 8 in the store I work in out of 200 staff of which 50 work pretty much every Sunday, seems odd and not right to be honest..would be interesting to see the actual working out for this one.
In short getting extra pay per hour for 4 days a week outweighs the loss of the 1/4 sunday premium. Likely ones to get a payment are weekend only workers or sunday only workers as the 1/4 loss is more than the extra 10% trotted out for basic.
Quote from: Loki on 30-06-18, 06:36PM
" here's a paycut" for weekend workers...that's basically what both the company and union are relaying to employees. No matter how they dress it up.
Parasites the lot of them.
parasites is putting it mildly loki >:(
As an ex Tosco colleague I can honestly say that the only way to hit back is to not shop there. Since retiring I have been "shopping around" and you can save more than your 10% discount by doing this. If you do use them you are only putting their money back in their pockets. You will also find the the supposed Tosco quality and value for money is cr*p.
My advice is:
Do as little work as possible, forget how to do things and ask lots of questions of managers. If you forced to change departments immediately forget everything about how you worked on the old one.
Think carefully about what is your job function and what should be done by the management team. Too many of you do things because it is quicker than getting a manager to do it.
Take your breaks and clock in and out on time (no extras).
AND
Smile as you tell them to stick their job without giving notice.
8) 8)
Im a full time ga working sun-thurs and I think getting a £40 a month pay cut for the next 5 months is a disgrace. After November's payrise I get £1.22 a month more than i get just now. Drastic Dave don't give a Naff about US monkeys on the shopfloor.
Quote from: Daftjoe on 30-06-18, 09:18PM
As an ex Tosco colleague I can honestly say that the only way to hit back is to not shop there. Since retiring I have been "shopping around" and you can save more than your 10% discount by doing this. If you do use them you are only putting their money back in their pockets. You will also find the the supposed Tosco quality and value for money is cr*p.
My advice is:
Do as little work as possible, forget how to do things and ask lots of questions of managers. If you forced to change departments immediately forget everything about how you worked on the old one.
Think carefully about what is your job function and what should be done by the management team. Too many of you do things because it is quicker than getting a manager to do it.
Take your breaks and clock in and out on time (no extras).
AND
Smile as you tell them to stick their job without giving notice.
8) 8)
:thumbup:
Quote from: his scots tie on 30-06-18, 12:14PM
Yes opt out of sunday working if you want,one months notice required.They have to try to give you hours back ,if thats what you want,during the rest of week.But its not guranteed that they can.
They don't have to try at all! It's your decision to give up the hours so don't do it thinking you will recoup themelsewhere.
Recoup them at an employer that isn't Tesco.
Making moments matter will be interesting next time.
Quote from: Shafted on 30-06-18, 11:19PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 30-06-18, 12:14PM
Yes opt out of sunday working if you want,one months notice required.They have to try to give you hours back ,if thats what you want,during the rest of week.But its not guranteed that they can.
They don't have to try at all! It's your decision to give up the hours so don't do it thinking you will recoup themelsewhere.
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WMTY results will be fiddled as usual....the newbies will have a talk beforehand and their manager will sit in the room, hovering as they do it.
The managers don't train the newbies as they don't know how....I thrive on asking the manager questions on how to access different sections on the PDA, asked the SM couple of times, half expected her to put it to her ear and start talking into it, as she only has the ability of multi tasking by drinking a costa whilst talking on her mobile.
I wonder if there would be a case to answer on Sunday workers, losing their premiums, suffering an inequality, by not receiving the same % pay rise as weekday workers ???
Oh and the photo of John Hannet standing at the door of 10 Downing st. grinning to the camera with his "keep Sunday's special" posters >:( > >:(
I'd advise everybody to opt out of Sundays because when that bunch of charlatans USDAW go into the next pay "negotiations" or capitulation they'll probably get rid of the Sunday premium completely and Sunday workers will get a lower pay rise again.
It's pretty obvious that Sunday premium will be gone by 2020, that's why they cut it mlby half to test the water.
Quote from: sfsorrow on 01-07-18, 01:58AM
Recoup them at an employer that isn't Tesco.
:thumbup: my thoughts exactly
Quote from: Hammer10 on 01-07-18, 02:24AM
Making moments matter will be interesting next time.
havent seen the results of the last two. obviously bad :)
Quote from: lucgeo on 01-07-18, 07:07AM
WMTY results will be fiddled as usual....the newbies will have a talk beforehand and their manager will sit in the room, hovering as they do it.
The managers don't train the newbies as they don't know how....I thrive on asking the manager questions on how to access different sections on the PDA, asked the SM couple of times, half expected her to put it to her ear and start talking into it, as she only has the ability of multi tasking by drinking a costa whilst talking on her mobile.
I wonder if there would be a case to answer on Sunday workers, losing their premiums, suffering an inequality, by not receiving the same % pay rise as weekday workers ???
Oh and the photo of John Hannet standing at the door of 10 Downing st. grinning to the camera with his "keep Sunday's special" posters >:( > >:(
i don't know who's the biggest scumbag hairnet or lewis. comes very close!
The one is Herod, the other Judas
You can count the people in our store getting compensation on one hand. They either work just a Saturday night or a Sunday. No one else is getting a bean.
Surely this in itself is a case for uneqaul pay
Those people are being paid more for that shift than everybody else for the next 18 months. So much for equal pay for equal work!
Everyone should get on to Leigh day with this information, as it might help as evidence in the equal pay for shop workers and distribution workers claim.
And of those who did, I'm curious as to how much/ little they received
The 3% pay rise shouldnt be including in calculating compensation.Thats why very few are getting a payout .Hours lost less 16p per hour par rise should be what the compensation is based on.
so, does anybody know what they're actually being paid until November yet? I don't know if I've worked it out wrong but I only work Friday/Saturday nights and I think that means from today I'm down about £40 a month, which means until November I'm down £30 a month compared to before, and then £20 down after that rise... was told nothing this week about any letter or anything though. Really worried about what my pay is gonna be at the end of the month... is it possible some of us are just going to be paid a lot less for the next few months with no compensation cos of the convoluted way they've calculated the difference? (as some have said, including overtime, etc - maybe bonuses and stuff too?) I'll ask next week I suppose, I was just too angry last night that I hadn't been approached at all and as midnight passed I realised I was working not knowing if I was even being paid correctly for it. It's really disgusting.
In november my total "pay rise" over 2 years will be 3.4% not counting the fact that we don't get the 3% until November. Inflation is running at 3% so basically a real terms pay cut. Can't wait to hear the words from a manager "can you do me a favour". Shame that some customers won't be getting their shopping delivered.
Quote from: tandomwerk on 01-07-18, 02:32PM
so, does anybody know what they're actually being paid until November yet? I don't know if I've worked it out wrong but I only work Friday/Sat*rday nights and I think that means from today I'm down about £40 a month, which means until November I'm down £30 a month compared to before, and then £20 down after that rise... was told nothing this week about any letter or anything though. Really worried about what my pay is gonna be at the end of the month... is it possible some of us are just going to be paid a lot less for the next few months with no compensation cos of the convoluted way they've calculated the difference? (as some have said, including overtime, etc - maybe bonuses and stuff too?) I'll ask next week I suppose, I was just too angry last night that I hadn't been approached at all and as midnight passed I realised I was working not knowing if I was even being paid correctly for it. It's really disgusting.
I sent an email to Tom Hollick in benefits and pay I suggest you do the same.
Tom
Thanks for your response on 25th June 2018.I have spoken to a manager regarding the issue of a July 1st pay cut for Sunday workers and she had no knowledge of any letters being sent out. Can I assume then that I will not be compensated for the £64 drop per 4 weeks that I calculate as the difference on 1st July? My contract dated 04/03/18 states that I will be be paid £396.37 per week - will this change? If so this is a change in my terms of employment and I should have been given a new contract to reflect any changes in my pay with four weeks notice.I would appreciate it if you could clarify my situation regarding my personal terms of employment as nobody in my cfc seems to know anything about this issue. Could you please email me my contract of employment as of July 1st 2018Regards
just heard that you only get a payout if you do more hours on a Sunday than you do the rest of the week. How the **** did our union agree to this ( sorry ex union)
Quote from: Loki on 01-07-18, 01:34PM
And of those who did, I'm curious as to how much/ little they received
is there any way I can contact you privately?
Afraid not.No offence. I don't get much time lately which why I'm hardly on here anymore. Maybe someone else can help but you need to become a VLH member to private message someone.
Has anyone actually received a letter telling them they are getting some compensation? And if so dies the letter go to work or home? No one in our store seems to know anything, the communication is atrocious a complete and utter shambles. This is people's lives they are messing with disgusting
It goes to stores, for someone to be there if you have any questions.....don't laugh...
Quote from: bugsbunny on 01-07-18, 05:47PM
Has anyone actually received a letter telling them they are getting some compensation? And if so dies the letter go to work or home? No one in our store seems to know anything, the communication is atrocious a complete and utter shambles. This is people's lives they are messing with disgusting
About half a dozen in our store. Letters go to store. They don't know what's in the letter. Your manager should give you the letter.
To everyone working out how much less you are going to earn ask your union how they agreed to this scenario as in all honestly you've been totally shafted.
I like how the TMs have been talking about the rise at recent team talks when some are losing money. May only be losing a 5 a month but with living costs on the rise and having to work harder the place is not worth 50 a month extra just now.
6 people have received a letter in our store this weekend, the letter was handed out to each person by their manager. One of the staff affected told me that it just says that because you are adversely affected by the change you will receive a one off payment of £xxx and you will receive it next payday.
Quote from: bugsbunny on 01-07-18, 05:47PM
Has anyone actually received a letter telling them they are getting some compensation? And if so dies the letter go to work or home? No one in our store seems to know anything, the communication is atrocious a complete and utter shambles. This is people's lives they are messing with disgusting
All the letters had been sent to stores from wed to Friday , I have seen 4 which is from 4 Express stores and it seems that if you do more hours on a sunday than you do during the week then You get a pay out ,
It shows a work out with what you got before and after ,( Its worked out showing the pay rise that you got and the pay rise you will get in November)
Pay out has ranged from £88 to £130 ,
Seems no one that started after the Calculation start date has been paid out ,
Have not found any Team leaders that have been paid out at all In Express ,
And S/M in Express will have been told what they will get but its so far been below £200 , and those work all Sundays which seems odd ,
The letter is much like the Benifits card you get , which does show how its worked out ,
Think it would have been better if they had sent out a letter to everyone regardless of if they are due a pay out or not , but hey seems they dont think you are worth the cost of the Paper :(
everyone should ask for a new contract that reflects the pay cut
The new contracts should be available on Payroll reports from wednesday that's normally when there there.
yeah and they said everyone affected would get a letter in June - i wouldn't hold your breath---- sorry I'm a bit bent out of shape by the way we've been deceived
Quote from: Loki on 01-07-18, 01:34PM
And of those who did, I'm curious as to how much/ little they received
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A Very little amount.. the ones affected that I know of is as some one said above around a £100 ..they have been very crafty using the November 16 to November 17 .
It's the long term weekend employees who have been hit again.
Not often I'm astounded... but their despicable behaviour towards employees has hit an all new low. I remember at the time of the pay briefing for delegates how the National Forum Reps stood there and stated it was the best deal they could achieve! Unbelievable to be honest!
Usdaw and the National Forum Reps are deep deep in the pockets of Tesco. Not even for monetary gain. Sycophants of a different breed!
I will be down £65 a month on next months pay, have to wait until November to even itself out.
I don't think the 3% rise will make up the 65 quid
I don't understand how all the managers are getting a payout just for doing overtime on a Sunday or bank holiday, and yet ga's who are contracted for Sunday's who are having less money in their contractual pay from now until November get nothing
ask for a new contract so you've got proof of a pay cut
So, this is actually criminal evil we are witnessing as I suspected (but hoped against hope), right? I swear to god if my pay is down as much as I think at the end of this month I will show no mercy, the rest of my life has been falling apart for the past 5 years anyway I have nothing left to lose, I'm dead already.
All of you losing money .......contact the newspapers....show them how you have been shafted with a pay increase forecast only to lose money in real terms ......ask them to photo you with your begging bowl to our own grabbing barstool Dave...." Please sir can I have more?? Or a miniscule % of your payout to feed and clothe the wife and kids"
@tandomwerk
I'm worried about you mate?? You need to take time out and talk to someone....anyone ??? ???
Quote from: tandomwerk on 01-07-18, 08:56PM
So, this is actually criminal evil we are witnessing as I suspected (but hoped against hope), right? I swear to god if my pay is down as much as I think at the end of this month I will show no mercy, the rest of my life has been falling apart for the past 5 years anyway I have nothing left to lose, I'm dead already.
I agree so get a new contract then we can go to the press
and by the way tandomwerk - i'm p8888 off with this but don't let them grind you down - there's always a better way
Quote from: lucgeo on 01-07-18, 08:58PM
I'm worried about you mate?? You need to take time out and talk to someone....anyone ??? ???
I'm worried about anyone who doesn't sound as crazy as I do lately. The world is literally a trash fire and this company is somehow worse.
Quote from: sfo on 01-07-18, 09:02PM
there's always a better way
That's why I haven't moved in 20 years.
tandomwerk - you would be in for decent redundancy payment if you can prove constructive dismissal -- ask for a new contract effective today
How is it even legal, i'm taking a pay cut in my monthly wage, with no compensation
Love it, all you guys squealing like pigs.
The warning signs were there when the longservers lost out on double time and moved to 1.5 (the majority were happy as they gained at the expense of longservers). Now you know how it feels.
Tosco is the pits, gets me that people still put up with them.
Quote from: Vanilla on 01-07-18, 10:37PM
The warning signs were there when the longservers lost out on double time and moved to 1.5 (the majority were happy as they gained at the expense of longservers). Now you know how it feels.
Tosco is the pits, gets me that people still put up with them.
They compensated us as they said they would back then. It wasn't perfect but it carried me through until I was able to absorb the changes. It sounds like this time they have found a loophole that means they don't have to do exactly as they said.
https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/details/292631 (https://findajob.dwp.gov.uk/details/292631) so now cleaners earn more
sfo, tesco only requires one month's notice anyway, for Sunday opt out.
If they try to tell you different, ask them for an opt out/in form. It's printed on there.
(Or become a VLH supporter and get a form from Downloads-4- U :) )
None of the managers know whats going on in my store.
Rich people making poor peoples lives more difficult. Think I'm going to ring that Tesco staff financial helpline that I saw a flyer for in the canteen a while back. I'll ask them how I'm supposed to pay my bills with £30 per pay packet less (after tax). Maybe they can give me some useful tips on how to get by on £8 an hour.
What the people who make these decisions don't understand, or do understand and have a complete lack of empathy, is that a lot of people are living payday to payday, not earning enough to save and really struggling.
I'm just making a lot less effort with that job now, especially given the increasingly adverse conditions we are made to work in.
Since Dave came in, it's been cut after cut. Pension first, night premiums, getting rid of the night shift then the reduction in Sunday premium. Then there were years of flat investment in payroll or below inflation pay rises.
Even before I knew that we were not going to get compensation for the reduction in Sunday premium I thought this was a poor deal. The pay rate was only designed to keep us about 2% minimum wage each April, and the rises have mainly been in November rather than July like they used to be, so Tesco are only paying the increased rate for maybe 5/12th's of the financial year. Next April the minimum wage is predicted to go up to £8.25 so we'll only be a couple of percent above minimum wage then.
These people do not care about us. They hate us.
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/simon-english-why-it-looks-like-time-for-dave-lewis-to-check-out-of-tesco-a3759456.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/business/simon-english-why-it-looks-like-time-for-dave-lewis-to-check-out-of-tesco-a3759456.html)
Interesting article. Dave won't have dissenting voices.
Lets hope he goes .As for this pay cut time for another day of go slow.
Dave Lewis, surely the most weak and reactionary businessman ever. I reckon any school-leaver would figure out if you sell the family jewels and pay for staff wage rises at the expense of those working the most difficult hours, is a quick fix. But what happens when you have taken everything (2020)? No loyalty, no pride in your work, just do your hours and go home. The age I am and where I live make it hard to find alternative employment, so I will do my time and go home. But, no more pride in my work, no enthusiasm, still help customers as they have done nothing wrong, but no more helping Dave Lewis hit his fake targets and inflated bonuses
Quote from: cityboy on 02-07-18, 04:11AM
still help customers as they have done nothing wrong
Oh this completely, and I didn't expect to be this way as I'm not the best people person to begin with but the one thing that made me smile this weekend was a customer who wanted to find something and I said I think I know where it is but I'll have to go with you cos they've been moving stuff around and he went off on a sweary rant about this is why people go to f-in Lidl cos you can see what's what and it stays there lol and I was like, I'm thinking of doing something similar lol. Of course that's not the kind of customer interaction those on high imagine but it was actually the most authentic human connection I've had in months. (Edit: I probably don't make it easy for customers to approach me though lately with my face like mud... I guess that's why I appreciated the couple of times this week - this wasn't the only one - when people did...)
Has anyone had a letter then ?
No it is all wrong we are now on the lower wage and no letter to back it up surely illegal no contract either to say what we are to be paid.illegal as well .
Two people in my store got letters, they only work a Sunday. One got £340 and the other £30.
get in touch with benefits at head office and demand a new contract that shows the pay cut - i don't believe that they can cut our pay without notification although I may be wrong. In the meantime cancel Usdaw Membership-insnt tenner a month raise.
I am about to give up my sundays will i still get a payout? not had a letter through as yet!
you only get a payout if you work more hours on a Sunday than you do the rest of the week. Don't expect a letter just take the pay cut, smile and work a bit harder to take up the slack for the people leaving. Seriously - opt out of Sunday working as is your right and encourage others to do the same because this will happen again when we lose the time and a quarter
Cancelled crapdaw 2 years ago.
As soon as I can afford to drop Sunday's I will.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 02-07-18, 11:25AM
Cancelled c**pdaw 2 years ago.
when outside usdaw rep visits our store to try and recruit new members i tell them they're wasting their time as I've already persuaded the newbies not to join :-X
Quote from: lackofinterest on 02-07-18, 11:43AM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 02-07-18, 11:25AM
Cancelled c**pdaw 2 years ago.
when outside usdaw rep visits our store to try and recruit new members i tell them they're wasting their time as I've already persuaded the newbies not to join :-X
spot on
People in our store are getting told to sign form that they can't opt out of Sunday's. Is this legal?
No the government have said we can opt out of Sunday's and tescos might think it is the government but it is not ,they are nobody.
The game of dave are too obvious, he is not good with management, dont bother about retail business. He is a person with mathematic approach, if something gain on the right, in the left will lose, just like this sunday and bh premium and even more. Fiddling just the number, no retail business strategy, only destroy the team work structure from inside.
I never work my fastest anymore for quite a while, only did when im in the mood and thats very rare. For me that and how i dont use my knowldege to boost selling at work for now for my retaliation. Even i am only a ga that loads of people look down, but i got my experience for that. In express, we have to do everything, so i can retaliate anytime i want.
If we want to hurt dave more, there are 2 thing that we can do but we need to be united.
We need to sale all our stock, make a plan of it, make a fuss with it, and aim the right timing, everyone must sell it within the window time. The fuss is to push the stockholder to get rid of him.
The other one is everyone to quit union, any union in the same time, let a new union arise who can become our representative. No point joint a union that dont care, dont know enough and only as a pet from political party so they can send our money to them.
In ideal world, these mp should work for us but it is the opposite.
After a while noticing how we operate and how other retailers works, i have no doubt that there is a big chance that tesco might be gone within 10 years. When its happened, it will be fast.
I work full shift on sunday and i knew i wont have anything since they start telling us its gonna be times quarter. P**d off but i need the money. So meanwhile i just do it with no extra and when something wrong gonna happened, i will happily leave it happened.
My customer will still have a good service from me because i think of them as my customer not tesco.
Be strong all my fellow brothers and sisters.
Why did the managers get a better pay deal than the ga's? They get their pay rise plus a payout for the premiums even though they aren't loosing anything from their salaries. The night managers get to keep their Sunday premiums just like they kept their night premium while the ga's lost it. Why are the payout calculations different for managers?
Why does the union get them a better pay deal when most managers aren't even in the union
So if we are not getting a pay out are we not getting a letter detailing why. Sick to death of this company now . Not even enough respect for g as to bother explaining reasons why they decided we are not worthy of compensation for losing what our contract states we are entitled to .
Last week I sold all my shares at £2.61 . I think subconsciously I am taking away all my ties to strsco and getting ready to leave . Put them in my savings account nothing holding me back now .
I'am pretty sure Sainsburys done the same thing Tesco have done with Sunday premiums but some how MP's got involved saying shop floor workers would lose to much pay so Sainsburys had to revise there offer for Sunday premium plus a better pay out deal to compensate. 100% that colleagues can do this no more O/T Sunday's no working B/H' yet again very sort sighted from Tesco just as the was roll out of nights to twlights which seems off the radar at the mo??
My problem is I can't afford to cut a day so can't take the chance of opting out of Sundays. I've worked in retail for 25 years now I'm 58 not sure whether I'll get a job I've got no experience in . But will give it a go.
Quote from: T.C.1 on 02-07-18, 03:26PM
I'am pretty sure Sainsburys done the same thing Tesco have done with Sunday premiums but some how MP's got involved saying shop floor workers would lose to much pay so Sainsburys had to revise there offer for Sunday premium plus a better pay out deal to compensate. 100% that colleagues can do this no more O/T Sunday's no working B/H' yet again very sort sighted from Tesco just as the was roll out of nights to twlights which seems off the radar at the mo??
Wouldnt mind dropping sunday premium altogether,if pay was going up to £9.20 an hour from september instead of £8.42 from November.We are losing our premiums for nothing in return.
just seen the comments on our Tesco underneath the carrefour deal maybe we should all add to them
His Scots tie
I agree there probably still be a bit peeved but at a decent hourly rate it wouldn't be as bad .
I don't see the problem why should sunday workers get paid more to do the same job. Its good to see a change to benefit everyone not just those lucky enough to be contracted to the right day.
You obviously have not worked on a Sunday most of us have been doing them from the start of Sunday trading in the six hours the store is open is nearly like Xmas at times ,we did not want Sunday trading at the start when we were told it would be double time we agreed to work even though it disrupted our family lives .If we were asked again we would do it again but very soon the company will find a problem to cover stores as many people will drop the day when they can afford to.
So what you are saying is that if you have a contract that say you will be paid £1 for the hour , its ok for Tesco to cut it down to 50 pence , and you would be happy for them to do so 8-)
Quote from: Xxluckyxx on 02-07-18, 06:01PM
I don't see the problem why should sunday workers get paid more to do the same job. Its good to see a change to benefit everyone not just those lucky enough to be contracted to the right day.
Xxlucky
You do Sunday then . I didn't particularly want to work Sun but because I was given extra premium to work a day nobody wants to do I thought ok then I'm being compensated for working it . Now I'm not I'm losing money. If you asked people in your store would they work a Sun for time and a quarter 9 out of 10 would say no . So no we are not lucky to work a Sun we are doing a day nobody else wants to do and should be paid accordingly
I have always done sundays when i have the chance. Why would i not its free money for doing the same thing i always do
Well after this Xxluckyxx your chance of doing more will increase.
I am contracted to Sunday's but believe I would rather be at home for the money I'm paid to work through the night it's a joke ..Not enough staff managers don't care to many people sick the few that's left work twice as hard on nights late deliveries all the time and no help nowhere plus when I go to work I have to do tills for 2 hours b4 doing the filling of shelves.... I hate it every one is unhappy not a nice place to work >:D
Has anyone had a new contract yet?
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Due to printing errors, as in the contract prints over 2 pages which isn't ideal, wage and Admin clerks have been advised only to print contract changes as requested from changing hours etc...and to print new contracts after the next payrise as the technical printing issues should of been resolved.
So in theory you might not see a new contract until November.
No new contract no new reduced wage. :)
I've asked for a new contract from head office and had no reply. i'm off till Sunday but will ask for confirmation that the contract I signed in March will be honoured. If I don't get confirmation in writing I'm not going to start the van and some people won't be getting their shopping. I'm sorry for the customers.
From Our Tesco website:
Every colleague will benefit from higher hourly rates of pay after the 10.5% pay increase. A small number of colleagues who saw a reduction to their premiums may see a net reduction in take-home pay based on their individual work pattern. Colleagues affected by this will receive communication from the end of June and will receive a one-off payment as part of the wider package of changes to pay and premiums.
Quote from: sfo on 03-07-18, 10:11AM
I've asked for a new contract from head office and had no reply. i'm off till Sunday but will ask for confirmation that the contract I signed in March will be honoured. If I don't get confirmation in writing I'm not going to start the van and some people won't be getting their shopping. I'm sorry for the customers.
Your contract can be printed off instore by the wages clerk or stock and admin manager ( if they know how 🤔)
QUESTION :question: ???
I'm going to be receiving a couple of hundred. Has anyone been told if they have to stay for a certain amount of time before leaving?
Contemplating giving my notice once the payment comes through.
P.s: someone in my store is getting £500 and hasn't worked Sundays for over a year!! Loophole tesco hasn't noticed?
Yes if you left within six months
Company is a disgrace someone who doesn't even work Sundays and the rest of us who get zilch >:D
Don't forget it's Nov 2016-Nov 2017, may of have done shifts in that year..
Quote from: Millie on 03-07-18, 05:15PM
Yes if you left within six months
I dont mean to come across like I dont believe you, but where does it say that?
Quote from: cfaw on 03-07-18, 08:01PM
Quote from: Millie on 03-07-18, 05:15PM
Yes if you left within six months
I dont mean to come across like I dont believe you, but where does it say that?
. Would a colleague ever need to repay their one-off payment?
Yes. If a colleague leaves Tesco within six months (equivalent of six pay periods) after receiving a one-off payment they will
need to repay part of it based on the leaving date – the sooner the leaving date after receiving the payment, the more is
repaid.. The final leavers' pay would be reduced and then Tesco will write to an individual once they have left to agree how
to repay any balance owed.
I found this on Our Tesco
Company is a disgrace someone who doesn't even work Sundays and the rest of us who get zilch >:D
Doesn't matter if they did shifts in that year they ate not working Sunday now so how can they be compensated for losing premium for the next 18 months when they are not doing Sundays
Quote from: strebor on 04-07-18, 12:38AM
Doesn't matter if they did shifts in that year they ate not working Sunday now so how can they be compensated for losing premium for the next 18 months when they are not doing Sundays
sounds perfectly logical given we're talking about a supermarket that can't even keep cereal on one aisle anymore lol* :-X
(*in our store at least)
I am not convinced they have got this payment thing right. Ok yes in November when we get the pay increase I might not be out of pocket but between now and November I will be surely that's not right.
It's a disgrace I will be worse off between now and November.
Quote from: Xxluckyxx on 02-07-18, 06:01PM
I don't see the problem why should sunday workers get paid more to do the same job. Its good to see a change to benefit everyone not just those lucky enough to be contracted to the right day.
Because for some people Sunday's remain sacred, be it religion, family day etc....the Sunday trading laws changed, and along with it came the pressure for Sunday workers, hence the double time rates. Now it's become the norm, the retail sector want to squeeze every trading hour they can in, before long it will be flat rate, and I dare say you will be seeing the problem then, along with a drop in pay. Wont feel so lucky, lucky, lucky then eh ??? ???
I don't see the connection. Sunday is Sunday. If you want to opt out you can. If you attend church or want family time you can opt not to work. This about pay on Sunday's. If you have been contracted to Sunday or have done regular overtime that is a different issue. If you have given up going to church because you could earn more on a Sunday that is still your choice.
This is about a pay grade change that happens to relate to Sunday's. We had this same thing many years ago when Saturday premium was removed. People were compensated then too. The union should not have just agreed. There was a time when they would run campaignes to protect /support us. I can't remember when they last did this. If the won't run campaignes they are never going to go beyond this
We can argue or agree on what is happening but it is fact and going ahead. However, there does seem to be some very odd things going on with the compensation payment.
There is definitely something wrong with this compensation payment. And I also will be worse off between now and November. Why have they not shown how they have worked the payment out
Aye, but for a lot of colleagues who agreed to work Sunday's seeing the opportunity to increase their income, for better standard of living, are now losing that income and the opportunity to opt out is no longer an option for them, with no guarantee of hours in the week being available. So the choice isn't really a choice anymore is it??
I just hope this comes and bites them on the arse, skilled areas especially just like bank holidays you need a baker or fishmonger or a butcher on meat counter they decide to opt out of Sunday's but don't worry about replacing them hours just going to lose the hours now, that would be very funny and no one else picks up the hours just imagine how f***ed they will be then.
I agree completely . I've handed in a letter to opt out of Sunday let's see what happens
I've tried to work out if I am getting a payment, the problem is I was partly on nights during the calculations (Nov 16-17) then we was made a twilight store, meaning I also received a transition payment during that year.
If you haven't had a letter I doubt you'll get a payment.
Haven't had a letter yet. I'm losing £60 per month, will get that back with both pay rises approx £23 and £37 .But will be £37 less for 5 months till November. No payout either.
Same here 13 quid a week raise over two years doesn't quite add up to the 10.57per cent that was stated in the pay rise booklet and the cards they put all over the canteen last week - disingenuous b....... Probably put the cards out to fool the new applicants
SFO make sure your new starts find this forum our TMs spout a lot of c**p on a daily basis to them and they are taken in.
Quote from: Red75 on 13-06-18, 12:45AM
The thing that I find unsavory about this is this is that the rate of pay in November 2016 would not even meet the present minimum wage so how can they use this for comparison. I will be - working 30 hours a week including Sunday - compared with 30 June pay rates, approximately £11 a week worse of on July 1st and £2 a week worse off with the November pay rise. When presented with the new contract, why would I sign a contract with a lesser rate of pay unless I am compensated for doing so. That £11 a week for four or five months is really going to hurt. Used to have disposable income on nights money but no longer.
This is pretty much EXACTLY my situation.
I'm contracted to 30 hours, with 8 of them being a Sunday. Wage pluctuations are:
October 2017 - 259.11 (At 7.621 P/H and with time and half on Sundays)
November 2017 - 272.71 (At 8.021 P/H)
July 2018 - 261.76 (At 8.18 P/H and time and a quarter on Sundays)
November 2018 - 269.44 (At 8.42 P/H and time and a quarter on Sundays)
So yes, in theory I am 10 quid better off per week (November 18 compared to October 17), I find it incomprehensible that they can justify paying me 272.71 per week after the first wage rise, for 8 months.
So as you say, I have taken a wage cut as of four days ago, to the sum of 10.95 and come November 2018, will only claw back 7.68 of that, and still be worse off than I was a year previous, in November 2017.
I hold out no hope for a payment on July 27th, and my manager has claimed he cannot give me any other hours (which are suitable for me also).
I still have not told officially about the change other than "oh it changes in July". I've not been told anything about an actual day it changes, I don't know if I'll get a pay out but my "manager" has handed me a new contract to sign that doesn't mention any pay premium and I'm fairly sure has a different job code
K2SO
Does the new contract specify the weekly wage - if so is it less than your last contract?
Ok I've just compared contracts and they appear to be identical I'm starting to suspect that I've just been given a contract to sign because my manager, the one who interviewed and hired me, hasn't actually been around and doesn't know I've already signed one when I first started 3 months ago.
I have seen people on here mention new contracts so maybe it is maybe it isn't
if you only started 3 months ago there probably wouldn't be a material difference. For those of us that have been there three years or more we were promised a 10.57% rise over two years. But those of us who work on Sundays actually get around 3% by November over the 2 years - minus of course the lower wages paid for the next 5 months so in all we get very little if not nothing.
So I have just received a new contract and it definitely includes the new sunday premium in my calculated weekly payment that is displayed on the contract.
I am reluctant to sign this however as I am not happy with the way the conpany has dealt with this whole thing, there has been no communication about how they calculate those 'affected' and anyway in my eyes everyone that works sundays is affected in some way no matter what.
We should have received something weeks in advance detailing the changes to our contracts and any justification of compensation calculations (or lack thereof).
My question is, if I refuse to sign a new contract what would be the outcome? I don't agree with the changes to my terms and conditions - reduced sunday premium.
Can they change my weekly rate of pay without my consent and if they do need my consent but I don't agree would there be any possibility of a redundancy claim or constructive dismissal?
Interesting question.
After all, with the "exceptional handful of workers" who are eligible for a cushion payment as a result of them being worse off, were not the remaining employees promised a 10.57% increase over the 2 year pay deal? ;)
I have the booklet in front of me and there's a sleight of hand going on here worthy of Paul Daniels . It seems that they include the bonus, retirement savings and even 26p for the staff discount in the calculation. To get 26p per hour you have to spend £2.60 or around a quarter of the gross rate ph. Seeing as we pay tax and NI on this it's probably in excess of 30% of your take home per hour. I'm guessing most of us can't afford to that. So until Debbie Mcgee, Tesco or USDAW comes on to explain how it was done, we will never know. My bet is on the glorious Debbie. We probably won't really know the full extent of how we were ripped off until we can compare next April's P60 with this year's.
Point being the pay increases by 10.57 % for all hourly paid colleagues... but only on the basic hourly rate. However, those who work Sunday hours who don't qualify for the cushion payment, including nightworkers who have had their night premiums frozen, will not receive an overall 10.57% increase in contractual pay whereas those who do not work Sunday hours or/and nights will.
On that basis all those who receive less than a 10.57% increase should be eligible for a cushion payment especially when considering the loss of contractual pay in the long term.
It's bad enough the Union agreed to these cuts to begin with, but to agree to a calculation for the cushion payment that has led to a majority not receiving any compensation beggars belief.
Quote from: Loki on 06-07-18, 01:27PM
Point being the pay increases by 10.57 % for all hourly paid colleagues... but only on the basic hourly rate. However, those who work Sunday hours who don't qualify for the cushion payment, including nightworkers who have had their night premiums frozen, will not receive an overall 10.57% increase in contractual pay whereas those who do not work Sunday hours or/and nights will.
On that basis all those who receive less than a 10.57% increase should be eligible for a cushion payment especially when considering the loss of contractual pay in the long term.
It's bad enough the Union agreed to these cuts to begin with, but to agree to a calculation for the cushion payment that has led to a majority not receiving any compensation beggars belief.
Believe me when I say the cushion payment wasn't worth having. It's not even covered three months of my overall loss . It's an absolute disgrace
From the booklet Matt Davies Chief Executive UK and ROI regarding the raise. "It makes our total reward package more competitive, simple, fair and sustainable than ever before". Reckon he left the company a few months ago before people started throwing stones at him?
Competitive, simple and fair! ;D
Guess he has a different dictionary to the rest of us
And the only recent communication from Usdaw regarding this is:
Transition Payment
Staff financially affected by the reduction in premiums will receive a transition payment in July.
To calculate entitlement to a payment, Tesco will analyse a year's worth of pay data for every member of staff from November 2016 to November 2017. This will be compared with what their pay would be, working exactly the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay and the lower premium rates.
If an individual is worse off under the new pay structure according to this calculation, they will receive a lump sum payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay.
Please note, not everyone who works a Sunday or bank holiday will automatically receive a payment – it is about whether, following all of the changes, they remain financially impacted. Tesco will write to affected staff only, at the end of June.
Nothing else!!!
Correct me If I'm wrong, but didn't Sainsbury's have a similar problem and are not Usdaw the recognised Union there?
If they take the 3% pay rise into calculations ,you dont get that till November.So you will be earning less from July till November.
Correct
Surely it's not right that some of us are worse off for 5 months. That's can't be right
Of course it's not right - but Tesco and USDAW know that- hence the lack of explanation and transparency
by the way anyone seen the 2018/2019 colleague bonus booklet yet ? Obviously i'm joking
Is there anyone in the country that can be asked about the way we have been treated there must be some employment law as regards the way people should be informed or in tescos case not informed about the way there wages are calculated when they are changing contracts around surely if you calculated last years pay cut you would do it the same the following year and not move the goal posts to suit them selves.Still no letter or explain action on how they come to the decision most of us get nothing .
So how about all the people who are suffering a detriment and disadvantage, by losing money and not receiving the same pay rise as their weekday contracted colleagues, put in a collective grievance, under T&C's.
Start a petition, call for a ballot on lack of confidence in USDAW. Inform the papers of your intent. Even though I'm not affected, I'll sign it in support. :thumbup:
Colleague bonus 2018/19 details to be released in August.
In my opinion us last few souls should leave the union on mass how can a union represent a company with nobody actually in the union . The are not many in my store in the union a lot never even signed up when they first started even more left over np1. We all should then agree on a new union if we can :question: a union is needed but not the useless one we have
well I thought that's what we were paying USDAW for. OOPS. Or do Usdaw offer free legal advice over contracts. I cancelled my membership last week over this issue but might be worth a current member ringing them and asking for contract advice. Also there's loads of stuff on yougov website about pay cuts - I'm just waiting to see a new contract and see what my new weekly wage is
It was USDAW who agreed to this on your behalf.....those same people you seem to have heard of, but that's only because they are the ones who are pictured in the arena magazine attending one function after another, all at our expense, or putting themselves up for re-election for the same positions they've held for years, via the old boys network. :-X :-X
Could we not organise a vote of no confidence in the union something similar that happens in government . I don't know if we can but one thing I do know is we cannot allow usdaw to represent us anymore they are obviously not doing their job and fighting for their members.
Could we demand a percentage of employees in stressco that are actually in usdaw I would think it's a very small amount .
Tesco have eroded employees terms so much now there is no point in having a union. There is hardly anything to fight for bar the annual 1/2% pay rise.
Guys, am I the only one losing out but not getting a pay out? When you compare the £8.02 wage with time and a half for Sunday's to the £8.18 wage with time and a quarter I'm losing £32.68 Each pay pack. Both of my other Sunday colleagues are losing around £36 and £39. This however is temporary till the November pay rise but it's totally unacceptable. Any ideas on how we get this rectified?
No you are not the only one losing out and not getting a pay out I am losing £30 a week and no payout
Totally unacceptable I have tried to get it sorted no one wants to know was told that is the way it is nothing can be done about it I have hit a brick wall, I don't know what to do about it. Because no one cares.
Quote from: Madhotdogbuns on 06-07-18, 05:30PM
Guys, am I the only one losing out but not getting a pay out? When you compare the £8.02 wage with time and a half for Sunday's to the £8.18 wage with time and a quarter I'm losing £32.68 Each pay pack. Both of my other Sunday colleagues are losing around £36 and £39. This however is temporary till the November pay rise but it's totally unacceptable. Any ideas on how we get this rectified?
What has usdaw rep said about it.Id ask mine but left usbore 2 1/2 years ago when they cut our premiuns from double time
The union have said to me there's nothing i can do and that I should be grateful for still getting a Sunday premium as other supermarkets lost theres long ago. Although union official was surprised when i told him how mych i was losing between the £8.02 wage and the £8.18 wage
Quote from: his scots tie on 06-07-18, 06:12PM
Quote from: Madhotdogbuns on 06-07-18, 05:30PM
Guys, am I the only one losing out but not getting a pay out? When you compare the £8.02 wage with time and a half for Sunday's to the £8.18 wage with time and a quarter I'm losing £32.68 Each pay pack. Both of my other Sunday colleagues are losing around £36 and £39. This however is temporary till the November pay rise but it's totally unacceptable. Any ideas on how we get this rectified?
What has usdaw rep said about it.Id ask mine but left usbore 2 1/2 years ago when they cut our premiuns from double time
All that's left that you can do is leave USDAW...vote/show your opinion with your feet. That's what I'm doing.
:thumbup:
Quote from: Madhotdogbuns on 06-07-18, 06:32PM
The union have said to me there's nothing i can do and that I should be grateful for still getting a Sunday premium as other supermarkets lost theres long ago. Although union official was surprised when i told him how mych i was losing between the £8.02 wage and the £8.18 wage
That answer is astounding. I'm actually at a loss for words.
Should of told union rep other retailers might not be paying sunday premium but they didnt give them up as cheaply as we are having to.Take a look at saibsburys £9.20 from September.Sainsburys staff thought it was a poor pay deal.Where does that leave Tescos offer.
Although the pay deal is covered by collective bargaining, when presented with a new contract reflecting the decrease in premiums, one has the right to question as to why one has not received an overall increase in pay of 10.57% prior to signing it. In fact, one could not be blamed for working under protest whilst utilising the procedures regarding terms and conditions. Especially seeing a gap between now and November where an overall decrease in pay may be felt by many with no cushion payment.
Just a thought.
Loki is right - make sure you show your disapproval of the new terms in writing whilst working under protest while you look for a new job. But it is important that you show your disapproval- just in case we can do something about this further down the line
My wage clerk checked my pay for me today on the HRAM screen job details section, which has a breakdown of your pay, and my cost of my Sunday premium has not been reduced down to time and a quarter but my hourly rate has gone up. This said effective date 6/7/18?
Anyone shed any light as to why premium hasn't been reduced yet? Not that I'm complaining!!
Should also note I'm an ex compliance manager affected by last restructure so I stepped down. So maybe mine is protected?
It will show next week on payroll reports. hram and payroll reports remember are 2 different systems which don't work in tandem together.
Hadn't considered that thank you. Was wishful thinking I wasn't loosing money haha
so... I asked my manager last night, like basically when will I know how much I'm being paid for Sundays now, particularly till November - and he has no idea... said he has heard "rumours" of letters (?!) but as far as he knows nothing is changing (?! I mean, great big poster next to the clocking machine for one?)
This is kind of the worst part of all this, that the people who are supposed to know - who they tell us to ask - have not had anything communicated to them. I mean it's nothing new in Tesco but like somebody else said (I'm not sure if it was here or not) it's like they don't realise how many people are literally clawing from pay day to pay day and urgently need to know this sh*t in advance. I've felt disdain from on high in this job before but never like this.
What I will be doing on Sunday is informing all my colleagues who are contracted to Sunday's and that were receiving time and a half about their pay decrease because unless they are relatively new to the store and on time and a quarter they will be losing money. I think a lot of staff that are contracted to Sunday's probably haven't realised.
Most sunday worker will lose money for the next 5 month. I will be down £30 so about £150-ish in all 5 time payday.
It is obvious dave calculate what he want to spend to get rid of premium, and create a formula base on it, luckily he didnt comepare the lost income to 20 years ago standard.
Meanwhile, work in express, do everything while some people only do easy job all the time. Being a hard worker is never good thing in tesco, only got punished to work more and the heavy one so other can have easy days.
Well, this will be the 6th time i downgrade my work level. Work slower, let all the theft and unpaid self service happen, i would just pretend i dont see it. All of this already annoyed me and the unfair job allocation is really p***d me off now.
Well, again tesco is great to keep lazy people have a good time, not a hard worker one. Time to ask my manager to write job description of ca, put it in staff room and want everyone do all of that, if some people dont do something, why should i have to do it. This time i will pull equality and fairness card for the sake of retaliation.
For people who think all manager is great, bitter ga in here are c**p, think what you want. If you really are a good manager, you will have your own business.
Hi can someone please explain what happens if you don't receive a letter? I've been off on holidays and my manager is off sick. last I heard was if you got a letter you would receive a lump sum. So what does that mean that I didn't get one? Is it because more of my working hours are during the week than on a Sunday I don't get anything extra? What all have your managers told you?
No letter no money,that's what I've been told by my uneducated,no people skills,rude manager.
Most people have not got a clue in my store still waiting for their letters.
My manager had the gall to ask me to do overtime today lol when I reiterated like no way til i know how much I'm being paid for my Saturday nights he went on about *his* lack of pay rise I was too dumb struck to even respond...
I got told my so called pay rise affected my payout so I will no be reciveing my letter I've done weekend for 20 years cannot understand why no letter anyway getting used to my yearly pay cut expect I'll get another next year when Sunday goes to normal time with bank holidays also then it will be no paid sick and we're cutting back on your holiday entitlement please give me redundancy
Quote from: Loki on 06-07-18, 07:58PM
Quote from: Madhotdogbuns on 06-07-18, 06:32PM
The union have said to me there's nothing i can do and that I should be grateful for still getting a Sunday premium as other supermarkets lost theres long ago. Although union official was surprised when i told him how mych i was losing between the £8.02 wage and the £8.18 wage
That answer is astounding. I'm actually at a loss for words.
Exactly what USDAW told me as well as blaming the colleagues forum. Also told me that they were in discussion for six weeks and USDAW walk out three times. So that's ok then ! Shame nobody had the b;;;;cks to explain the deal to us two years ago - or even now for the matter. by the way I cancelled my membership immediately.
Also - believe it or not I found a reference to this on the Our Tesco (Their Tesco) it was in the comments section (rather than in the main Tesco output) and refers to a class action by 1000 employees and could result in a £4 BILLION claim against Tesco . Here is the link - the article was published yesterday. https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/News-2018/February-2018/Leigh-Day-launch-%C2%A34bn-equal-pay-claim-against-TESC (https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/News-2018/February-2018/Leigh-Day-launch-%C2%A34bn-equal-pay-claim-against-TESC) Very interesting read.
I am going to draft an email to the solicitors to raise our issue over Sunday pay and will post on here the email and any response.
By the way Ladies and Gentlemen next year's so far unannounced "bonus" and pay rise will probably pay for the legal fees to defend the action so look forward to another 2.9% pay cut.
For now get used to living on the current pay, expect no bonus or pay rise next year and look for another job. I stress this is only an opinion and not based on anything that Tesco have told me
I expect a lot more people will be signing up to the Leigh Day thing after next pay day. I already did, nothing to lose now. It'll be funny if they could've just clearly communicated and compensated this pay revision to me for a couple hundred quid but now they made me so mad they might have to give me 6 years backpay that might come to about 2 years full pay :P
I cannot believe that USDAW didn't have the foresight to protect the pay of the colleagues premiums, by insisting on a cushion payment, reflecting the loss till November, or fighting to keep the premium till then ??? ??? Even as it stands in November, only the weekday workers are getting the full % pay rise, so how can a WORKERS UNION, allow a detriment to some of their members, for them to not be treated equally alongside the rest of the workforce ??? ???
Indeed, other supermarkets have lost their premiums, yet the same Union has been able to negotiate a better pay rise ??? ??? Why ??? ???
USDAW are good at passing the buck.....telling members to speak to their managers....NO I'M ASKING YOU?? When the pension was closed, I was still a rep, and USDAW put up posters informing people to speak to their reps for advice!!! Yes because the only training I had with regard pensions, was a home university course which was in fact, three stages of books to read and answer the questions at the end, (Found in the book) and return. For which I received learning credits, so obviously an expert in their eyes :o
As people have stated time and again on here, they have trouble getting a rep as they are becoming few and far between, which makes this site not only invaluable, but increasingly necessary. How many have stated they contacted their area office for advice, to be told someone will ring them back, but never do!! The area offices are only open 9-5 (enter Dolly) and closed weekends, so their not providing a true representation to their members who are employed 24/7, nor giving support to their O.O.H. reps when needed. They don't work bank holidays, and are payed a lot more than us...and the times I was at the area office I didn't see anyone building up a sweat, unless they were sitting next to the heater!! And yet these people state they act in OUR best interests >:( >:(
where i work we really have nowhere to turn for advice now. no p.m, our store reps are very inexperienced and the store manager doesnt have much of a clue either. we're f***ed basically unless we join a different union >:(
Quote from: tandomwerk on 08-07-18, 02:43PM
My manager had the gall to ask me to do overtime today lol when I reiterated like no way til i know how much I'm being paid for my Sat*rday nights he went on about *his* lack of pay rise I was too dumb struck to even respond...
The TMs seem to think they are in a similar position when they are far from it having being paid more than SMs get in other reatailers for years and for working when they want. They ask you to put in your holidays then you need to chase them up to see if they have done it. The list is endless. It is all about them.
Has anyone received letter yet ? I work about 30 hrs Sunday Overtime a month thought i would be entitled to something..No one in store has a clue whats happening or so they say 😠😠😠😠
I don't know about you guys and girls but I'm grateful for my pay rise of -£37.40 a month....wait...a pay rise which results in me taking home less money? 🤔...someone got the Gold mine while I got the shaft.
you're not wrong there >:(
Quote from: Weeyin on 08-07-18, 07:26PM
Has anyone received letter yet ? I work about 30 hrs Sunday Overtime a month thought i would be entitled to something..No one in store has a clue whats happening or so they say 😠😠😠😠
Overtime doesn't count as far as I'm aware....only contracted Sunday hours...and even then depending on how many weekday hours you work your wages after the November 'pay rise' would negate your Sunday premium loss meaning you'd get nothing. Essentially only people who only work one day a week on a Sunday would get a pay out. For example, I work 5 days a week, 36.5 hrs...7.5 of which are contracted Sundays...I will be out of pocket by £37.40 a month until the November pay rise...but apparently I still get no pay out. It's disgusting
in my honest opinion hairnet is a lot richer now!!!! f****ng scumbag >:(
Quote from: Weeyin on 08-07-18, 07:26PM
Has anyone received letter yet ? I work about 30 hrs Sunday Overtime a month thought i would be entitled to something..No one in store has a clue whats happening or so they say 😠😠😠😠
Work it out for yourself mate - if you're still better off after the 3 separate pay increases (Nov17/July18/Nov18) then you ain't getting a letter - simples.
And probably worse off till November till you get Novembers rise,but take the loss of premiums in july.Im a total of .31p per week better of ,while non sundays workers better off £60 per month
Quote from: his scots tie on 08-07-18, 07:40PM
And probably worse off till November till you get Novembers rise,but take the loss of premiums in july.Im a total of .31p per week better of ,while non sundays workers better off £60 per month
My 10.5% pay rise actually equates to less than 3% over 2 years...take inflation into account over that period and my living standards have dropped....not a pay rise at all.
an absolute disgrace. i can see this going to leigh day. does lewis crave bad press or what? f****ng pr**k >:(
Don't over compliment our leader !! If Tesco lose the class action for 4 billion. He will probably get the sack with 10 million to compensate for his loss of premium
I'm actually better off on the £8.02 wage @time and a half than I am on the £8.18 and when we get our November pay rise I'll be £4 week worse off but when you compare the £7.62 wage to the £8.42 I'll be gaining £4 something a week. I'd rather keep my £8.02 wage at time and a half .
Mad hot
Me to
Time and a quarter and increased hourly rate :thumbdown:
everyone agrees that anyone who does a Sunday as part of the working week is worse off - the issue is how the two year deal was presented to us -not by a personal letter but by a booklet that was handed out two years ago - at random . I was off the day that they came out and my mate, on the same level as me, pinched one for me and had to explain that the figures quoted were inaccurate and we had to add 68 pence to the figures quoted. Now I'm starting to realise that the booklets were relevant to GA's in stores rather than those of us in CFC's. Although why we get paid more in a cfc is a mystery to me . Believe me it's the same mundane job.
The 10.57 % raise is only about the hourly rate - which is accurate (roughly)
It also mentions that that Sunday workers would be compensated " if Affected"
We all took this at face value and reasonably thought that meant we would all be on the same percentage rise as our colleagues on week day shifts.
It seems that this was a wrong assumption.
None of our managers, union reps, our colleague forum or even Tesco Benefits at head office can answer the question "what is my contracted weekly pay? " is it the same as the contract i've got in my hand, dated in March of this year, or some other figure?
Another thing - everyone look at their contract and see if you have a clause entitled "Changes to your terms and conditions of employment" - on mine it is on the right hand side fairly near the bottom" Ill paraphrase but they have to give me a new contract within a month of the change plus consult with me for a four week period. Consultation not a big strength with this firm.
Quote from: sfo on 08-07-18, 08:23PM
Another thing - everyone look at their contract and see if you have a clause entitled "Changes to your terms and conditions of employment" - on mine it is on the right hand side fairly near the bottom" Ill paraphrase but they have to give me a new contract within a month of the change plus consult with me for a four week period. Consultation not a big strength with this firm.
I was looking for that info recently but could only find a 2 year old contract (don't know what I did with my copy of this year's) but yeh it said pretty much the same, so they don't necessarily have to have told us until around next pay day... but still absolutely no sign of them doing so until we actually see it on our payslips, which, if not legally, is still at least ethically repugnant.
[edit: sorry I skipped over the consultation point of your post there which is definitely something they have legally missed... still, the basic point still stands, they suck lol...]
Like many others I've still not received a letter nor does any managers have a clue, I'm contracted to ten hours on a Sunday (Nine Paid) and not the greatest feeling knowing that I'm on £17.17 less today, still losing £16.73 a week (£66.92 each pay day) taking into account the 16p rise across the whole week, all the time asking more and more of us and adding to our work load.
Im sure its anyone who works Sundays / Bank Holidays.
That was the case when it was changed from double to time & 1/2.
Doesnt say anything on Usdaw website about it only being contracted hours...Will prob have to wait till payday to see 😠😠
Can't wait for wmty to come out I hope everyone puts in the comments section how they really feel.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 09-07-18, 02:37AM
Can't wait for wmty to come out I hope everyone puts in the comments section how they really feel.
I actually will this time... in fact, before that, I will actually make sure I get to do it this time, because like team 5s, payslips, saver booklets, pay revisions, and all other information we're supposed to magically know, they have stopped telling us about it in the past couple of years. But this year they don't know what's coming...
It makes no difference what the results are that's why they cut out all the awkward questions like has your job got easier they are not interested in staff I get no information no yearly review nothing
well usualy once a year I have to sit down and write "something" which always feels ridiculous on nights cos whose head even if they're meant to be working is really screwed on that much at 3am? So I usually write the same stupid sh*t like I am happy to continue working for Tesco this year I am so clear on what sucks I could write it in my sleep I am going to write that I am concerned at the way certain changes have (not) been communicated to me and physically disrupted my life - like, maybe we're wrong about what this next pay day will bring (I don't think we are) but I have still lost sleep over it, I'm still losing sleep over it. Even if I wasn't deliberately bringing my bare minimum to work right now (which I am, no way they're getting my best anymore) they wouldn't be getting my best, cos they are F-ING WITH MY HEAD.
Well maybe this year we should state in the comments, please refer to VLH website for the true reflection of feelings amongst your workforce, across the country.
M360 Wonder what M360 views are on having to take a five month pay cut,because of premiums going in july and not getting rise to cover loss till November.
Quote from: lucgeo on 09-07-18, 08:12AM
Well maybe this year we should state in the comments, please refer to VLH website for the true reflection of feelings amongst your workforce, across the country.
Our night lead said the results were horrendous last year and hopes they improve this year. But over the last year it has got far worse. Do I write the same as I did last year plus the new things. Probs won't fill it in atoll because they can be arsed doing anything with the feedback.
That was part of the big 6 that they failed on hence giving us a lower bonus than the year before - what a company!!!
I am not being funny but has anything changed when you have given a bad view point what ever they call it these days . NO because they dont care . And also now all the people who have has this fantastic pay rise will be happy so no chance will it be a bad one. >:D
Quote from: sfo on 09-07-18, 11:56AM
That was part of the big 6 that they failed on hence giving us a lower bonus than the year before - what a company!!!
No it wasn't. It was missing our stretching profit targets and individual regions service results.
One of my colleagues has just got his letter. Works 7.5hrs sundays only. Only getting £30
Because 2 years ago where they are taking the "pattern" he had an extra day contract and did loads of overtime during his gap year!
No overtime available for him this summer so far so hes been truely shafted!
Becomes more outrageous by the day >:(
Totally agree Loki.
Do you expect anything more from Tesco???
Just got new contract £16.20 less than last one .was told to sign it before having a chance to read it. Told the manager I would not sign because the weekly amount was less. he said that if I don't sign I can't work for Tesco. I asked him if he wassacking me because that constitutes unfair dismissal. He made some comment about the law which I didn't quite hear. Spoke to a few people that got contracts yesterday and they were threatened with suspension if they didn't sign immediately. I the end I said I needed time to consider . He gave me week . Unfortunately most people rolled over and signed. I'm going to put a grievance in and encourage others to do the same
Ask your manager to put it in writing as you want to take legal advise on it and you want to discuss it with your store manager and personell. He trying to scare you. Or sign it and say you are signing under protest and Mr X insisted that you sign it but you do not agree with your wage cut.
You got a right to compare it with the old contract held on file, and be given an explanation as to why you are given a new one and take 4 damn weeks to sign it! Furthermore, if you are worse off with no compensation, then you have the right to submit a formal grievance, after all, was it not promised that you would receive a cushion payment? No mention of a 5 month bloody gap! >:(
Sign the contract as per the TMs request and write at the bottom 'refer to last contract for accurate weekly rate'. If you are given a WMTY score the place low on all aspects. File grievances, take sickies and work at a a snails pace. :)
No way I'm signing a document that isn't correctlet him sack me and I'll go to a tribunal
Agree with everything loki and others are saying.But at the end of the day this shower of s*** are not changing your hourly rate,they are changing your premiums which you have agreed through collective bargaining.As regards the payout they are doing that in an underhand way,and comparing pay when it was at £7.62 .Leigh day tried to do something when premiums went from double to time and half but no success.To be honest looks like just to have to go with it im afraid.
There's no mention of premium on my contract just my weekly pay . Also no mention of hourly rate . perhaps they should rewrite the contract
This company will get theirs one day .
Myself and my colleague (eventually) received our letters on Sunday.
We both work Sat and Sunday only. I work 5.5 on Sat and 5.75 on Sun. He works slightly more on a Sat (think it's about 6.25) and same on Sunday.
However, in the past (which happened to cover the reference period of Nov 16-Nov 17, he did fairly regularly overtime - normally on the Sat**day.
Both of us generally work the BHs too - I generally don't do very long shifts (average around 5 paid hours) - he sometimes does very long shifts (upwards of 10 paid hours) - however, due to him not having a car, he sometimes misses some BHs if the bus isn't running.
He's been at Tesco longer than me - so he was affected by the change from 2x to 1.5x. He got a payout of £2500 for that change.
In terms of the "eventually" - I was on AL on the weekend when the letters allegedly arrived - so when I returned last weekend (Sat**day) , I expected to be approached with my letter (having missed out the official handing out ceremony when I was on leave). However, no sign. I asked my "Team Support" (I work on the tills) - they knew nothing about it - eventually the manager arrived about 30 mins before the end of my shift - she said hello and carried on walking - I managed to catch her at the end of my shift - I asked her if she had a letter to give me - she said no - ask my Team Support if there's anything in the draw - I mentioned it should be hand delivered by my manager and referred to the cuts in Sunday/BH premiums - "oh yes" she said......I'm in tomorrow - we'll do it tomorrow.
Anyway - she wasn't in till 3pm on the Sunday - my shift finishes at 4 - cut a long story short - myself and my colleage agreed to a joint handing out ceremony - she handed us the sealed envelopes whilst flapping around (in the SM's office) trying to find the blurb she needed to read - so I filled it in for her!! Eventually she found the right printout - asked if we had any questions - and I asked whether I could have an exact breakdown of how it was worked out - and if it was worked out to include a pay rise in 5 months time, how could that be fair?
Whilst she was talking both me and my colleague opened our letters - my payout was pretty much as I expected - I'm losing about £2 a week (from Nov 18!!) - so 78 weeks/18 months of that came to around £150 - clearly the £2.20 ish of lost premium will actually be "lost" by me before Nov 18 even comes .....roughly 13 working Sundays - losing £2.20 an hour and I'm already down by more than £150!!
My colleague had a big shock - I'd told him to prepare for much less than his previous £2500 payout - but even I didn't expect what he got - £26!!!
When I explained to him that any "non-Sunday" overtime he did during the reference period effectively cancelled out his cushion payment, he was a bit upset to say the least - he also mentioned that the Sunday rate he earnt when joining the company in 1999 was higher than what he got paid for last Sunday, it highlights the changes!!!
But it all fell on deaf ears - all the manager wanted to hear was "did she deliver her message correctly? Did we understand?"
Unfortunately, the bigger picture is .......get a job with someone else. We all know we've been stitched up - and unless the legal action works - we have to accept it - we're not irreplacable - and Tesco will just employ some keen students etc. to whom £8.18 an hour is loads!!
imagine walking into Tesco, filling a trolley and the checkout person says "that's £227.66 please". You say "how does it come to that much ?" She hands you the receipt and look it over. You then say " I've got my own system of working things out - here's a fiver put the change in the charity box"
Can anyone tell me when the dates are for the calculations for managers cusion payments please .
Can I also ask General assistants and managers when you work a bank holiday do u get minuses 7 .5 hrs before you get paid bank holiday pay will only apply if contracted .
Thankyou
Quote from: sfo on 09-07-18, 11:56AM
That was part of the big 6 that they failed on hence giving us a lower bonus than the year before - what a company!!!
I believe the result across the company was 83% on the last one?
Every time it comes round people say they will do a bad WMTY, yet the results continue to defy common opinion, mathematics, reality and credibility. We all know anyone daring to speak to the truth somehow doesn't fill it in, and those that do are manipulated to get a better result. Like everything else, the WMTY result is another carefully manipulated number that does not reflect the actual reality - as both a measure and a mechnism to affect change it's become meaningless.
Quote from: Shaunacy01 on 11-07-18, 01:21AM
Can anyone tell me when the dates are for the calculations for managers cusion payments please .
Can I also ask General assistants and managers when you work a bank holiday do u get minuses 7 .5 hrs before you get paid bank holiday pay will only apply if contracted .
Thankyou
As far as i am aware if you work a Bank Holiday you get 7.5 hours knocked of your basic pay.This is for your day in liue.It appears on your oay slip Bank Holiday and shows 7.5 hours pay pluspremium.So it looks like a bank holiday was worth working,when in effect you have 7.5 hours knocked of basic pay.
A challenge to drastic Dave and co and Mrs foukes why not work at a store not saying who you are and see the conditions you have and are creating by your actions :-X
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 10-07-18, 03:29PM
Sign the contract as per the TMs request and write at the bottom 'refer to last contract for accurate weekly rate'. If you are given a WMTY score the place low on all aspects. File grievances, take sickies and work at a a snails pace. :)
If I were to do this, what are further steps afterward? Or is this to simply put into an official document that I have basically logged a grievance?
I'm getting NOTHING from my manager regarding how's and when's. Apparently the HR manager is coming in today, so I'll be speaking with her, fingers crossed for me. I wonder though, is there any way of asking for the working out for my case? Apparently every single employee has their calculation done singularly, therefore, there should be some form of electronic or physical documentation regarding my lack of money in the form of the cushion payment.
I emailed Tom hillc**k at Tesco benefits and asked for a personalized breakdown, unfortunately he is away until tomorrow, can you imagine the size of his in-box, I'm not hopeful of getting an answer.
I'm contracted to work 10.5 hours on a Sunday but, as yet, have not received a letter for the compensation payout and some others seem to have. Have I been forgotten? Should I chase it up?
I think everyone should chase it up if only to make the b....rs work but general thinking is that if you haven't got a letter you're getting nowt
Can anyone let me know if I'd be getting any payout. I work Sunday and Monday 6 hours each day but ain't received anything from my manager. Thanks
Quote from: sfo on 11-07-18, 02:46PM
I emailed Tom hillc**k at Tesco benefits and asked for a personalized breakdown, unfortunately he is away until tomorrow, can you imagine the size of his in-box, I'm not hopeful of getting an answer.
whats his email please
I emailed employee relations and got the usual BS for a reply.Basically said pay would decrease at second stage of paydeal,but increase at third stage.
That's rubbish cos my old contract says 396 3per cent of that is just under 12 quid and I'm losing 16 per week never mind the money I lose before November. Also I got back from a trip and the desk support girl handed me my contract and told me to sign it. What does the fact that my contract is
Being handled by someone on a lower rate than me say about their confidential ity and data protection ?
he
The team managers in our superstore all got compensation for losing sun premium lol not one ga got a penny
Quote from: sfo on 11-07-18, 05:02PM
That's rubbish cos my old contract says 396 3per cent of that is just under 12 quid and I'm losing 16 per week never mind the money I lose before November. Also I got back from a trip and the desk support girl handed me my contract and told me to sign it. What does the fact that my contract is
Being handled by someone on a lower rate than me say about their confidential ity and data protection ?
he
SFO you're clutching at straws most company's will have a HR administrator who will handle all contracts on less wages than most if not all employees in that organisation.
Forgive me if I'm being dense here but what is the actual criteria for getting a payout for working sundays? At my store someone got a payout and they weren't contracted for sundays and yet I work many hours on that day.
Spoke with our HR lady today...It is basically a like it or lump it situation as we all know by now.
My main grievance was not knowing how they work it out if we do/do not receive a cushion payment, and that of how do they justify me now losing £13 per week for the next five months!
She did state that the comparable dates of wage for the cushion payments are November '16-November '17 with that of November '18-November 19.
So basically, for the year November '18-November '19, if I'm doing the same 30 hours per week, 8 being on a Sunday, I'm better off by £538.72. So basically, a 4% pay rise. :(
In our history as Tesco workers, dave lewis will go down as the worst ever friend of the staff who do the hours and work that have made Tesco what it is. He has cost so many of us in lesser wages, t.& c., and making a once genial and proud workforce into people who feel trodden down, put upon, and undervalued. The value that Tesco have put on us loosing money on Sunday from down again double to time and a half to time and a quarter, shows how little we are thought of. Dave lewis, I could have sold the family jewels, and ripped off staff to maximize profits. But what I could not do , is live with my choices that meant young families can't afford mortgages, despite loyalty to Tesco, have to visit food banks despite wanting to work full-time. Dave Lewis, hurry up and f*** off, all you have done is sell out and bring us all down. The worst C.E.O. ever!
Quote from: Millie on 11-07-18, 03:39PM
Quote from: sfo on 11-07-18, 02:46PM
I emailed Tom hillc**k at Tesco benefits and asked for a personalized breakdown, unfortunately he is away until tomorrow, can you imagine the size of his in-box, I'm not hopeful of getting an answer.
whats his email please
Tesco.Benefits@Tesco.com
Quote from: cityboy on 12-07-18, 03:43AM
In our history as Tesco workers, dave lewis will go down as the worst ever friend of the staff who do the hours and work that have made Tesco what it is. He has cost so many of us in lesser wages, t.& c., and making a once genial and proud workforce into people who feel trodden down, put upon, and undervalued. The value that Tesco have put on us loosing money on Sunday from down again double to time and a half to time and a quarter, shows how little we are thought of. Dave lewis, I could have sold the family jewels, and ripped off staff to maximize profits. But what I could not do , is live with my choices that meant young families can't afford mortgages, despite loyalty to Tesco, have to visit food banks despite wanting to work full-time. Dave Lewis, hurry up and f*** off, all you have done is sell out and bring us all down. The worst C.E.O. ever!
:thumbup: Agree
I'd like to know if everyone on here has been given a new contract in the last couple of weeks. Are they being pressured into signing them immediately and is this going on all over the country?
The reason I want to know is this. When I got a pay rise in November 2017 my new contract wasn't presented until March 2018. However when I get the "pay rise" on July 1st (which results in me being paid less) I am being pressured to sign the new contract within two weeks. I'm just wondering if there is some ulterior motive. Pressure tactics used in my CFC have included - not being allowed to take the contract out of the building unsigned, unwritten promises that any shortfall would be made up, suspension if the contract isn't signed and in the words of my delivery manager "well if you don't sign then you can't work for Tesco". However he did back down when I mentioned constructive dismissal.
If these tactics are going on all over the country it will show that there is deliberate policy to hound Tesco staff to agree to this pay cut. Shame we don't have a union to turn to.
Quote from: sfo on 12-07-18, 07:11AM
I'd like to know if everyone on here has been given a new contract in the last couple of weeks. Are they being pressured into signing them immediately and is this going on all over the country?
Absolutely nothing yet but I'm only in on weekends. I'm convinced that the appalling way this has all been communicated to us will be what forces them to make good on this one, it's unacceptable on so many levels but the communication side, even from the small sample of reports here and on ourtesco, cannot be ignored or denied. They've acknowledged that this whole thing is about meeting the living wage - you don't f**k with people that close to the line and not give them sufficient notice, especially if you're docking their pay for 5 months and calling it a raise.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 11-07-18, 08:13PM
Quote from: sfo on 11-07-18, 05:02PM
That's rubbish cos my old contract says 396 3per cent of that is just under 12 quid and I'm losing 16 per week never mind the money I lose before November. Also I got back from a trip and the desk support girl handed me my contract and told me to sign it. What does the fact that my contract is
Being handled by someone on a lower rate than me say about their confidential ity and data protection ?
he
SFO you're clutching at straws most company's will have a HR administrator who will handle all contracts on less wages than most if not all employees in that organisation.
Fair point. But in every other organisation I have worked for the contract came from HR or a senior manager or in a sealed envelope if coming from a third party. Not left in a pigeon hole for a delivery assistant to pull out and placed in front of me in front of other drivers. to be honest I couldn't give a toss who knows how little I earn, we are all in the same boat, but it is another example of bad practice.
Quote from: cityboy on 12-07-18, 03:43AM
In our history as Tesco workers, dave lewis will go down as the worst ever friend of the staff who do the hours and work that have made Tesco what it is. He has cost so many of us in lesser wages, t.& c., and making a once genial and proud workforce into people who feel trodden down, put upon, and undervalued. The value that Tesco have put on us loosing money on Sunday from down again double to time and a half to time and a quarter, shows how little we are thought of. Dave lewis, I could have sold the family jewels, and ripped off staff to maximize profits. But what I could not do , is live with my choices that meant young families can't afford mortgages, despite loyalty to Tesco, have to visit food banks despite wanting to work full-time. Dave Lewis, hurry up and f*** off, all you have done is sell out and bring us all down. The worst C.E.O. ever!
Absolutely 100% agree . We remained steadfast through all the bad times only to be treated as an unnecessary cost now . An appalling way to treat staff .
No new contract for me yet and when they do get round to doing them I will not sign it.
Quote from: sfo on 12-07-18, 07:11AM
I'd like to know if everyone on here has been given a new contract in the last couple of weeks. Are they being pressured into signing them immediately and is this going on all over the country?
The reason I want to know is this. When I got a pay rise in November 2017 my new contract wasn't presented until March 2018. However when I get the "pay rise" on July 1st (which results in me being paid less) I am being pressured to sign the new contract within two weeks. I'm just wondering if there is some ulterior motive. Pressure tactics used in my CFC have included - not being allowed to take the contract out of the building unsigned, unwritten promises that any shortfall would be made up, suspension if the contract isn't signed and in the words of my delivery manager "well if you don't sign then you can't work for Tesco". However he did back down when I mentioned constructive dismissal.
If these tactics are going on all over the country it will show that there is deliberate policy to hound Tesco staff to agree to this pay cut. Shame we don't have a union to turn to.
Havent got a new contract even my sl said there were some new one already.
I dont know alot about law in uk, but my guess is they want you to sign it before the next pay day. Having lower pay without new contract that stated how much you earn, that meant the old contract still binding, at least where i come from. So breach of contract, not only the company have to pay what it stated in an old contract (if you have not sign a new one), but the company have to pay penalty or kind of for breaching contract ( again i dont know how law in here)
Same with the words saying that tesco will compensate staff that got affected by the change (i forgot the actual word on the booklet, something about negative impact financially), these should be decide by competent body with court order, as we know the formula doesn't really fair for most people who work on sunday.
The promise of people who worse of will have something but in real most of us will loose some income for 5 payday. That five payday lose against the increase on november minus pay before that, will take sometime to break even. So in real we will have pay rise not earlier than next year. But again i dont know much about the law here.
There was something on store communication last week that stores do not have to print contracts of as a result of the recent changes.So you may well not get one to sign this time.As regards transition payment what Tosco are saying is comparing your pay in nov 16 you are have earning more in nov 17 and nov 18 so no payment.Think a full timer working 36.5 hours inc sundays is earning about £66 per month more in Nov 18 than 16.Whilst i agree its a disgrace that we have to have a five month pay cut and communication as been nil thats the way this company operates.
Quote from: his scots tie on 12-07-18, 01:22PM
There was something on store communication last week that stores do not have to print contracts of as a result of the recent changes.So you may well not get one to sign this time.As regards transition payment what Tosco are saying is comparing your pay in nov 16 you are have earning more in nov 17 and nov 18 so no payment.Think a full timer working 36.5 hours inc sundays is earning about £66 per month more in Nov 18 than 16.Whilst i agree its a disgrace that we have to have a five month pay cut and communication as been nil thats the way this company operates.
Is the lack of communication suspicious or just plain rude?
The only protest you really have is to spent your shopping money in other supermarkets. Rip up your discount cards and get a petition going that Sunday workers will not shop at Tesco with some added media attention. Since Direct website now has gone the value of the discount card to me has been diminished anyway.
My mate who works in hr in another company said this so a trip to a solicitor might be needed
Depends whether your original premium amount / rate is contractual. If so, then yes (technically) they could be in breach. Generally, if u get a no-obligation payrise & nothing else changes, there's no need for a new contract (or even for u to sign anything). However, if the payrise is tied into any other Ts & Cs (e.g. increased responsibilities, location, hours, overtime rates, unsocial hours etc.), then u should be asked to sign a contract amendment.
I have found a print out of my wages (from payroll) dated 22/05/2012 and I was earning more money then then I am now. Exactly the same hours nothing at all different. How the he'll is this allowed to happen and I wasn't even a double time Sunday worker.
sensible_woman:
Did you get any sort of answer to your queries? In fact, have you yet received a letter? Have you asked your manager?
I'm fully conversant with how Tesco have done the calculation - so if you give me a bit of details about your work patterns I can attempt to help.
Remember - the comparator period is Nov 2016-Oct 2017. - Did you work for Tesco during this period? Did you work any Sundays or BHs?
As yet no explanation thanks for asking. I'm contracted 12am-6am and 9pm -12am on sundays. So.... losing quite alot of money. That's why i can't understand why I'm not due a payment. Worked same hours for 25 years and every bank holiday which, as you probably know on nights runs in to 6 hrs on a sunday
They compare what you earned 12 months from nov 17 with previous 12 months.Doing the same hours you should have earned 5.25% more than the previous year,thats what the pay rise was and premiums didnt change.Then compare what you are going to earn from November 18 after 2 pay rises and cut in premiums.Most people will find they will be earning pennys more as the cut in premiums will erode the pay rises,but still a little more than previous 12 months.Thats why most people are not getting a pay out.Its a disgrace though to have to take a five month pay cut till rise in november .
I too work on Sundays, same hours, some contracted & the rest overtime, plus every bank holiday, & have done so for many years. I asked if I was getting a letter and was told no, although I work a lot of hours on Sundays I also work 16.75 during the week. Tesco calculated a years pay from 2016/2017 at £7.52 per hour and compared it to a years pay at £8.42. I am completely baffled as we do not get the new rate until November, completely stitched up once again!
Quote from: sfo on 12-07-18, 07:11AM
I'd like to know if everyone on here has been given a new contract in the last couple of weeks. Are they being pressured into signing them immediately and is this going on all over the country?
The reason I want to know is this. When I got a pay rise in November 2017 my new contract wasn't presented until March 2018. However when I get the "pay rise" on July 1st (which results in me being paid less) I am being pressured to sign the new contract within two weeks. I'm just wondering if there is some ulterior motive. Pressure tactics used in my CFC have included - not being allowed to take the contract out of the building unsigned, unwritten promises that any shortfall would be made up, suspension if the contract isn't signed and in the words of my delivery manager "well if you don't sign then you can't work for Tesco". However he did back down when I mentioned constructive dismissal.
If these tactics are going on all over the country it will show that there is deliberate policy to hound Tesco staff to agree to this pay cut. Shame we don't have a union to turn to.
When I spoke with our HR yesterday (my manager was in there too), he had the new contracts all printed and she told him he didn't need them, only the contracts in November will be needed. I thought this strange, and wrong to be honest, especially when the November '17 pay rise came with a brand new contract for me.
I did say that I was working under protest for these next five months until November though, and the reason being my £13 per week reduction in wages. The HR woman basically shrugged it off as, no it doesn't work like that. I will continually remind my manager that I'd like my £13 back every week.
Wondering whether of not to call in sick a few times as it's affecting my health.
Monsterandmadman im also in the same boat as you , so to speak . You my man have gave me a lightbulb moment yesssss (-*-)
This calls for a huge bout of stress related sickness maybe a couple of weeks off when your dept have others on holiday causing the most impact.
They asked me sign up for some overtime the other day - unfortunately I had to decline as I signed on with a temp agency this week. First job today then back to Tesco for the weekend. Be interesting to see how some other companies operate. 8)
Totally agree Hammer 10 everyone should do it
Why harass your manager??? What can they do? Your store manager maybe, wmty yep, but your I'm assuming in this case team manager can't do a thing about it.
SFO Good work. :thumbup: I work the temp agency too doing a temp to perm one just now so hopefully all goes well. People even have some appreciation for the little help you do because it saves them the work. Tosco is full of overpaid managers creating work for themselves and griping at GAs to try and justify their incompetence. You will be wishing you'd never got involved with Tosco. Enjoy!
Quote from: Hammer10 on 13-07-18, 02:27AM
This calls for a huge bout of stress related sickness maybe a couple of weeks off when your dept have others on holiday causing the most impact.
Yes not to worry about the rest of your colleagues picking up the slack while you laze around at home for a bit achieving nothing except a warning for absence if you carry on like that and potentially more money lost for your first three days.
Hammer10 More people should try to make a stance Tesco are clearly taking the p**s out GA and the TMs are supporting Dave by asking too much from people.
Shafted, maybe you would think differently if you were doing the same job, same hours for less pay.i am afraid to say I don't care what my other colleagues think I only think about myself now. T***co have made sure of that, those at head office only think about themselves so time we did the same. There is no such thing as one team, no one works as a team anymore. Hammer 10 I am with you, and Leigh Day.
IF they pay rate for sunday is going down. Then do 25% less work per hour? Why work your butt off on what can be an extremely busy day for for some.
Bit tricky if you work on the till.....what are you supposed to do - only serve 3 out of 4 customers?
Anyway - the actual % reduction amounts to 1/6th - not 1/4 ......
effectively we've gone from being paid 6 quarters (i.e. base rate plus half or two quarters) to being paid 5 quarters.....(i.e. time and one quarter).....
so we've gone from 6 quarters to 5 quarters.....a loss on one out of 6 - i.e. 1/6th.
Quote from: sensible_woman on 12-07-18, 08:37PM
As yet no explanation thanks for asking. I'm contracted 12am-6am and 9pm -12am on sundays. So.... losing quite alot of money. That's why i can't understand why I'm not due a payment. Worked same hours for 25 years and every bank holiday which, as you probably know on nights runs in to 6 hrs on a sunday
Are you saying you work Midnight Saturday night/sunday morning to 6am on Sunday morning - then come back and do 9pm Sunday night to Midnight Sunday night/Mon morning?
Do you do any other hours (during the rest of the week) - either contracted or as "additional hours/overtime" - specifically did you do these hours between Nov 2016 and Oct 2017?
Did you get a cushion payment from going from double time to 1.5 times?
Quote from: barafear on 13-07-18, 01:02PM
Bit tricky if you work on the till.....what are you supposed to do - only serve 3 out of 4 customers?
Anyway - the actual % reduction amounts to 1/6th - not 1/4 ......
effectively we've gone from being paid 6 quarters (i.e. base rate plus half or two quarters) to being paid 5 quarters.....(i.e. time and one quarter).....
so we've gone from 6 quarters to 5 quarters.....a loss on one out of 6 - i.e. 1/6th.
What about future potential earnings?
I do Friday Saturday Sunday Monday contracted and have done so for years. Yes I got a payment when it was cut to time half
S_W:
If you do more hours on a Friday/Sat/Monday combined than you do on a Sunday - you will not get a letter or cushion payment.
It'll only be in the unlikely event that your combined hours for all your other days is "around the same" that you would.
Effectively, Tesco will take account of the 10.57% increase in your base pay on those other days - as well as the 10.57% increase on your Sunday hours (base rate) to offset the drop from 1.5x to 1.25x.
Effectively, Tesco are stating that when compared with the period before this whole 2 year pay review took place (i.e. before Nov 2017) your weekly wage will be higher.
It just won't be higher by 10.5% or anything near......
Quote from: crypto on 13-07-18, 01:09PM
Quote from: barafear on 13-07-18, 01:02PM
Bit tricky if you work on the till.....what are you supposed to do - only serve 3 out of 4 customers?
Anyway - the actual % reduction amounts to 1/6th - not 1/4 ......
effectively we've gone from being paid 6 quarters (i.e. base rate plus half or two quarters) to being paid 5 quarters.....(i.e. time and one quarter).....
so we've gone from 6 quarters to 5 quarters.....a loss on one out of 6 - i.e. 1/6th.
What about future potential earnings?
What's the meaning of your question?
Just had email from head office which gives an illustration fairly similar to my situation in terms of overtime, hours etc. Did you know ?- and this is clever; they look at the overtime you did in 16/17, then assume you will do the same overtime in the year following November 18. They then use that figure to determine how much better off you'll be after November 2018. So effectively they are using the pay rise on hours you may or may not work to determine if you are due a payout.
By the illustration I was sent - by their own figures the pay rise over 2 years is 4.3%.
I've asked that the posters crowing about a 10.57% be taken down in my CFC because I find them extremely offensive.
Breaking news from Our Tesco weekly bulletin --- WMTY starts on Tuesday - I would urge all colleagues to form an orderly queue.
@sfo...let the massacre commence. ;) ;) ;)
I'll be good i promise (-*-)
Quote from: sfo on 13-07-18, 07:53PM
Breaking news from Our Tesco weekly bulletin --- WMTY starts on Tuesday - I would urge all colleagues to form an orderly queue.
Yippee. :)
Our TM must be looking for a good WMTY he has been trying to butter us up recently.
We might be great but he's an arse
Yeap again 80% people giving negative feedback and results -95% positive as everyone is very happy from pay cut.
Was told yesterday that all contracted Sunday staff will be paid time and a half till November now?is this true?
Quote from: sfo on 13-07-18, 07:15PM
Just had email from head office which gives an illustration fairly similar to my situation in terms of overtime, hours etc. Did you know ?- and this is clever; they look at the overtime you did in 16/17, then assume you will do the same overtime in the year following November 18. They then use that figure to determine how much better off you'll be after November 2018. So effectively they are using the pay rise on hours you may or may not work to determine if you are due a payout.
By the illustration I was sent - by their own figures the pay rise over 2 years is 4.3%.
I've asked that the posters crowing about a 10.57% be taken down in my CFC because I find them extremely offensive.
So their calculations are based on predictive, not definite earnings? Then they are comparing it to a predictive and not definite pay raise calculation of 10.5% which in itself, included a discount on predictive shopping. So it's all assumption and surmising, and no concrete figures?? Doesn't their own handbook state that overtime should never be relied on??
Didn't the government recently stop the service workers (waiters etc..) from being taxed on tips, as it was deemed unjust to tax them on an assumed income??
I would love to fill my trolley with a grands worth of goods and tell em to take it out of my discount, that they predicted I'd get ;)
Quote from: Mcardle1982 on 14-07-18, 06:25AM
Was told yesterday that all contracted Sunday staff will be paid time and a half till November now?is this true?
No official communication on that at all. The 2 year "pay deal" has already been set out.
Who on earth told you that?
Store manager, but I also asked my manager and he said it's definitely not true, I'm I'm treating it as not true till I hear more
Quote from: Mcardle1982 on 14-07-18, 06:25AM
Was told yesterday that all contracted Sunday staff will be paid time and a half till November now?is this true?
If it's anything like my store - the managers don't know anything about this pay deal and will say anything to get you to shut up and sign the new contract. My manager said I'd get a payment to make up the difference in October! he was obviously flustered after i'd just mentioned constructive dismissal ;D
Ptobably got mixed up with managers/SMS pay deals....the managers are getting a cushion payment and seem to recall one telling me their Sunday pay rate stays till later in year??
23rd September managers lose their premiums, with payout in October. One rule for one, one rule for another.
Quote from: mexicopete on 13-07-18, 07:59PM
@sfo...let the massacre commence. ;) ;) ;)
sadly we are in the 3% minority with a pay cut .The 97% of staff that have received a nice pay rise will give a good WMTY. I will still have my say though . Have always kept reasonably quiet over the years but not now . Enough is enough 😡
3% minority is way off, if you at a store with 300 employees only 9 would be worse off. In my department alone, its close to 30/40% are worse off.
Yes you are right. My percentages are way out !!! 😔
Are the managers getting a 'buy out' or a cushion payment? The whole two year pay rise/ premium reduction seems to have been done to confuse the masses. As I see it EVERY Sunday worker will on paper receive LESS of a pay rise than their non Sunday working colleagues. The 3% who received cushion payments are on paper receiving NO pay rise as the cushion payment is to ensure they are no worse off than before the pay rises began ( hourly rate of £7.62 and time and a half on Sundays) The cushion payment in effect brings you just above that and no more. I accept sadly that the premiums are on their way out, it's a sign of the times however I wish to see Sunday workers fairly bought out of their contracted premium payments as we were last time and for all workers to enjoy the pay rises equally .The system used this time is unjust and unfair, people in the 3% boat must feel worthless and under valued ( quite literally)
Signed up for Leigh and day x the sun premium loss and managers getting cushion payment is the last straw had enough now
Sainsbury's here I come .
Aldi here I come.
Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 13-07-18, 08:17AM
Why harass your manager??? What can they do? Your store manager maybe, wmty yep, but your I'm assuming in this case team manager can't do a thing about it.
I work in express. I have one manager, other than that, it's then the area manager above him, whom has actually just moved on lol
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 14-07-18, 08:51PM
Aldi here I come.
Lol if you can't hack Tesco you certainly won't hack Lidl or Aldi.
After 16+ years I've decided to move on in some ways I'm quite sad as I've met some really good people. But as a company Tesco are going from bad to worse and this pay cut with no compensation is a disgrace.
There is good people above and below TM and Lead Manager. One or 2 rungs up from GA are usually just clueless ar**h*les who couldn't run a bath.
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I am sure when Dave Lewis took over there was some project name to break the backbone of loyal long service staff and replace them with fresh faced kids who cost Tesco a lot less and can make them jump through every hoop!!!!
Having worked at Tescos for 25 years I now have strongly come to the conclusion that they are slowly but definitely, trying to squeeze us old timers in to leaving. In my experience the new starters are being put upon to an extent that they either can't hack it or are not prepared to put up with the pressure and moving on. Us old timers (many of more mature years)are being left to mop up and put things right and sorting hash up jobs done by newbies. I understand that recruiting people to work at my store was very difficult as very few were coming for interviews. Therefore doesn't it make sense to keep the oldies many of which have good old fashioned work ethics ie very few absences? I am now at the point where, if I'm going to get paid the same as a newbie will work like one. It achieves nothing but it does make me feel a whole lot better in the name of being 'fair' as head office keeps banging on about.
Do a few hours work and get to France. The place is always going to look unfinished. They cannot spend money like they did in the past on tidying aisles. Margins are a lot tighter due to the amount of competition.
@ sensible_woman
I know plenty of "Older" staff who have poor work ethics, it's nothing to do with age of the worker, it's their personal mentality that counts.
And it's took you 25 years to come to that conclusion? Wow.
Equalizer,I take your point but I think you are deliberately missing the point sensible woman is trying to make and as much as experience is a dirty word in store right now it's the one thing holding many together.
I totally agree with you sensible woman that is exactly what I am doing been with company 30 years. I have never seen it in such a bad state as it is in now
Quote from: tescopleb on 15-07-18, 07:30PM
Equalizer,I take your point but I think you are deliberately missing the point sensible woman is trying to make and as much as experience is a dirty word in store right now it's the one thing holding many together.
Not "deliberately" missing any point, but to presume all newbie (young) workers are all dead weight is simply ridiculous. The night shift I worked on had two people over the age of 35, both being managers. The rest were all aged between 18 and 32 and without them the store would have failed.
Experience helps, yes, but older age/length of service is not a guarantee of an effective workforce. Experience isn't holding the stores together, it's the lack of will in experienced staff to find something different when they're fed up of the state of things.
Long serving staff are certainly be squeezed out, so rather than put up with the c**p, find something that values your effort and let the big T sink without you.
that's a very narrow window of age you've left there to justify your shaky argument equalizer lol... also as I wanted to comment earlier but decided against it, consider that you're talking about people who have found themselves pretty much "stuck" in this job that has f-ed with their heads so much they're not fit to apply for anything else they might even want to move on to. The implication in a lot of this pay review is that people are miserable because they're not getting a raise, like they're all entitled or something. Most of us don't even care about that - if our pay remained completely unchanged we'd probably just muddle through like everyone expects us to. It's the fact that they're making us literally unable to pay at least one whole bill for the next 5 months and parroting RISE RISE RISE at us that is making us want to riot.
Exactly that tandemwerk, well said.
Quote from: tandomwerk on 15-07-18, 10:16PM
that's a very narrow window of age you've left there to justify your shaky argument equalizer lol... also as I wanted to comment earlier but decided against it, consider that you're talking about people who have found themselves pretty much "stuck" in this job that has f-ed with their heads so much they're not fit to apply for anything else they might even want to move on to. The implication in a lot of this pay review is that people are miserable because they're not getting a raise, like they're all entitled or something. Most of us don't even care about that - if our pay remained completely unchanged we'd probably just muddle through like everyone expects us to. It's the fact that they're making us literally unable to pay at least one whole bill for the next 5 months and parroting RISE RISE RISE at us that is making us want to riot.
Just proven that your head is stuck up your backside. The "narrow age gap" is because that was the age group on the shift, yet git more completed than others with "older staff" on them. Experienced staff are constantly moaning how bad it is, then get the f*** out, why stay in a job that pisses you off so much.
Still not answered how long service translates as a "good" indicator of experience or ability. Plenty of people in Tesco with 10-20 years under there belt and as useless as some of these newbies you hark on about.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 16-07-18, 12:49AM
Just proven that your head is stuck up your backside.
you're just saying that your experience is more valid than mine, when I didn't even bring my personal experience into it. I actually agree with you there's about 3% of people I work with who work as hard as I do, and there's no correlation in either age/gender/whatever, and I only put up with it cos I know I work fewer hours than most of them but it still shouldn't matter. This thread has nothing to do with the effort anybody is putting in... that is something to be dealt with in another manner. My point was to highlight the most disgusting part of this period which is that some people may be getting a significant cut to their pay that was in no way sufficiently signalled to them, in fact it is still consistently being sold to them as a raise. It cannot be said enough times, and you sounded like you were in the "suck it up or get out" crowd, which is a crowd that deserves to be shot down at every opportunity, because what is happening right now is unbelievable in the 21st century.
A question if by cutting Sunday premium are tesco not treating a minority differently than the majority of staff and as I see it a form of discrimination under the pillars of which Tesdaw is founded hypothetically speaking 😕
We tried that one in court for losing double time but lost.
Just give them very little help. I have seen some of the tactics used by day shift to appear busy when they are doing nothing. Going to tell the SM when I next see him. Hopefully he sees for himself who should get a rise and those who shouldn't have a job atoll. Unfortunately there is no fairness just now.
Quote from: tandomwerk on 16-07-18, 01:31AM
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 16-07-18, 12:49AM
Just proven that your head is stuck up your backside.
you're just saying that your experience is more valid than mine, when I didn't even bring my personal experience into it. I actually agree with you there's about 3% of people I work with who work as hard as I do, and there's no correlation in either age/gender/whatever, and I only put up with it cos I know I work fewer hours than most of them but it still shouldn't matter. This thread has nothing to do with the effort anybody is putting in... that is something to be dealt with in another manner. My point was to highlight the most disgusting part of this period which is that some people may be getting a significant cut to their pay that was in no way sufficiently signalled to them, in fact it is still consistently being sold to them as a raise. It cannot be said enough times, and you sounded like you were in the "suck it up or get out" crowd, which is a crowd that deserves to be shot down at every opportunity, because what is happening right now is unbelievable in the 21st century.
The issue in regards to a person effort was brought up by Sensible Woman, who doesn't believe that Newbie/young staff are as good or effect ad Older staff and is therefore disheartened that older staff are having to suffer the same pay reductions as younger/inexperienced staff. That is where the issue is.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 16-07-18, 12:00PM
Just give them very little help. I have seen some of the tactics used by day shift to appear busy when they are doing nothing. Going to tell the SM when I next see him. Hopefully he sees for himself who should get a rise and those who shouldn't have a job atoll. Unfortunately there is no fairness just now.
Ooohh I'm telling on you :D :D what does that achieve, apart from causing a rift amongst colleagues and making yourself look a right plonker into the bargain :-X :-X
Quote from: tandomwerk on 16-07-18, 01:31AM
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 16-07-18, 12:49AM
Just proven that your head is stuck up your backside.
you're just saying that your experience is more valid than mine, when I didn't even bring my personal experience into it. I actually agree with you there's about 3% of people I work with who work as hard as I do, and there's no correlation in either age/gender/whatever, and I only put up with it cos I know I work fewer hours than most of them but it still shouldn't matter. This thread has nothing to do with the effort anybody is putting in... that is something to be dealt with in another manner. My point was to highlight the most disgusting part of this period which is that some people may be getting a significant cut to their pay that was in no way sufficiently signalled to them, in fact it is still consistently being sold to them as a raise. It cannot be said enough times, and you sounded like you were in the "suck it up or get out" crowd, which is a crowd that deserves to be shot down at every opportunity, because what is happening right now is unbelievable in the 21st century.
The issue in regards to a person effort was brought up by Sensible Woman, who doesn't believe that Newbie/young staff are as good or effect ad Older staff and is therefore disheartened that older staff are having to suffer the same pay reductions as younger/inexperienced staff. That is where the issue is.
As the the cuts in pay, well nowt you can do about it. As I said before if you're not happy with your service, loyalty and experience then leave, simple as that.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 15-07-18, 08:21PM
Quote from: tescopleb on 15-07-18, 07:30PM
Equalizer,I take your point but I think you are deliberately missing the point sensible woman is trying to make and as much as experience is a dirty word in store right now it's the one thing holding many together.
Not "deliberately" missing any point, but to presume all newbie (young) workers are all dead weight is simply ridiculous. The night shift I worked on had two people over the age of 35, both being managers. The rest were all aged between 18 and 32 and without them the store would have failed.
Experience helps, yes, but older age/length of service is not a guarantee of an effective workforce. Experience isn't holding the stores together, it's the lack of will in experienced staff to find something different when they're fed up of the state of things.
Long serving staff are certainly be squeezed out, so rather than put up with the c**p, find something that values your effort and let the big T sink without you.
A generalisation as ridiculous as everyone is better off without USDAW as there is no benefit to anyone being a member. Yes apathy of staff!! not willing to change anything or even attempt to!! Absolutely part of not only the problem but the cause of the problems that keep compounding into even more.
Quote from: bugsbunny on 13-07-18, 11:22AM
Shafted, maybe you would think differently if you were doing the same job, same hours for less pay.i am afraid to say I don't care what my other colleagues think I only think about myself now. T***co have made sure of that, those at head office only think about themselves so time we did the same. There is no such thing as one team, no one works as a team anymore. Hammer 10 I am with you, and Leigh Day.
I do exactly that, day in and day out but taking time off sick does not solve the problem. It just makes more work for others. You can't always leave if it's so bad, see what else you can find out there in the greener grass 🤔
Newbie here with my first post :P
The What Matters To You Surveys have now started, as shown on "Our Tesko". This is our time to let Tesko and Management know that we are very unhappy with Sunday premiums being reduced without the "Compensation" stated, which in my case will affect me massively now :thumbdown:
Also if anyone has the Head Office and any other majorly relevant email addresses I would be very thankful for, as I am looking to report my management in my store, as we are all treated in a disgusting slavery manner, and when complaining to them nothing is done hence the next process of action is to be taken.
Has anyone received new contracts yet?...
Quote from: arron_ramsey on 17-07-18, 12:12AM
Newbie here with my first post :P
The What Matters To You Surveys have now started, as shown on "Our Tesko". This is our time to let Tesko and Management know that we are very unhappy with Sunday premiums being reduced without the "Compensation" stated, which in my case will affect me massively now :thumbdown:
Also if anyone has the Head Office and any other majorly relevant email addresses I would be very thankful for, as I am looking to report my management in my store, as we are all treated in a disgusting slavery manner, and when complaining to them nothing is done hence the next process of action is to be taken.
davelewis@uk.tesco.com
There should be a contact Dave Lewis thread with details for the CEO. The way our night lead and TMs speak to people is terrible. Everyone has a story. I am fed up with complaints against TMs being brushed under the carpet by Senior Team and SMs who want the easy life.
I strongly suggest everyone sends a polite email to Dave saying how much this Sunday pay will effect you
and you really think he'll give a s***???
Just signed up for equal pay claim.i wonder how many there will be.
is anyone on yammer? and is there any posts about sunday pay from staff
Lots on there complaining about having to take a five month pay cut and asking why without any payment.Reply is to put booklet up and say earnings have gone up last 2 years so no need for payment
.
Quote from: roughyedspud on 17-07-18, 05:04AM
Has anyone received new contracts yet?...
had mine shoved in front me for the fourth time this morning and ordered to sign _-. Again I refused as I'm not signing a contract that says I will be paid £16 per week Les than my last contract states,. The manager said if I don't signing will be dismissed , she sent me home and i said that I would look forward to receiving a letter. As I was walking out she called me back a few did a "let's talk". She then wrote down thereason for not signing and said I can carry on working. My big mistake was to not carry on walking
Quote from: his scots tie on 17-07-18, 01:27PM
Lots on there complaining about having to take a five month pay cut and asking why without any payment.Reply is to put booklet up and say earnings have gone up last 2 years so no need for payment
.
Doesn't matter if its gone up in last 2 years from last contract to newone its gone down, for some/a lot, dont sign new contracts till your compensated for loss
Absolutely and remember they can't sack you for not signing . Manager told me that I was the only person in a building of 500 staff that had this problem. I know different but a lot of people got bumped into signing
It hasnt gone down in the years given as examples in the book.12 months pay from nov17 to nov18,and 12 months pay from nov 18 to nov 19 HAS INCREEASED both times compared to previous 12 months.Not by much ,granted in fact a full time GA in nov 18 will. Be earning £1 per month more than nov 17.Will have a five month pay cut and no compensation.Disgracefull Tesco.
There not getting you to sign a contract in july,they will wait till november .That was posted on yammer
Quote from: his scots tie on 17-07-18, 01:54PM
There not getting you to sign a contract in july,they will wait till november .That was posted on yammer
Wonder why.....
Never in my working life have I known such a so called pay deal to not only be implemented in such an underhanded way, but also agreed and endorsed by a Union that claims to represent its members.
To give a rise, then to deduct, then to give back more at first glance may seem chaotic. However, it is by no means chaotic! It was carefully thought through by the company, including the calculations for a " cushion payment" and the reference period on which it is based on.
To even suggest that the National Forum members were hoodwinked by this would be preposterous. The so called negotiations were extended again and again. They knew full well what it entailed. The Union Officials who oversaw these negotiations undoubtedly steered these reps in the direction to which we now face today.
They knew full well that this was going to happen. The ambiguity of the correspondence delivered to reps in June is a disgrace. The fact that the booklets were distributed amongst colleagues prior to reps being briefed was a disgrace. The Union's reaction to this was an act of being surprised and of disgust, claiming they confronted the echelons of the Company stating " don't do it again".
Who are they trying to kid here? Not to mention the way in which the booklet is set out.
The legality of this pay deal may very well be above board, of that I am certain due to the current collective bargaining process that we are all bound by contractually. Not only that, but the loophole both the company AND Usdaw have created to minimise the amount of cushion payments made also seem legal. This is simply due to the fact that they have made it a 2 year deal where basic pay increases in increments, with a loss in premium at a period where it is later followed by a last incremental increase in basic pay. Despite the overall increase over the 2 year period, there is obviously a temporary loss within that period prior to a final increase.
Their get out clause.... after all increases etc have been implemented, affected individuals who have received an overall loss in income would receive this cushion payment. The method used to calculate this is fudged to say the least.
It's an absolute disgrace. There is nothing transparent about it. It's smoke and mirrors and Usdaw have finally demonstrated their calculated betrayal of its members. They are not inept! They knew exactly what they were doing when endorsing this totally and utterly immoral deal thinking that they are safe due to the amount of unaffected members far outweighing that of the affected ones.
They're prepared for a decrease in membership and calculate that recruiting new employees on flexi contracts will mitigate some if not all that loss. It's a numbers game to them too. A willingness to sacrifice members for what they see as a long term gain. No different to Tesco who think in an almost identical fashion when losing long term staff.
It's outrageous and they have once again demonstrated their multicoloured stained coat.
The way Tesco has gone about it has been so shady, I will not spend another penny in this company and I will slow down to a level where i won't have a knock effect to other colleagues, but will not be pushing the extra mile. No bank holidays and a couple of weeks extra holiday a year(sick).
They will get theirs it might take a while but it's coming .
Quote from: lackofinterest on 17-07-18, 10:19AM
and you really think he'll give a s***???
To be blunt, no he won't! I wrote to him last time and got the usual response from his secretary that it was in the interest of the company. Twenty seven years service, contracted for Sundays only on double pay and now down to time and a 1/4, I have lost about £170 a month. In fact I am probably on the same pay as when I started. Tesco are taking the pee. They are doing us out of a pay rise from July to November, but using the alleged pay rise for those months in their calculations for the cushion payment, even though we won't be getting it for those months. I will be phoning Leigh Day to see where we stand on this one.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 17-07-18, 02:46PM
They will get theirs it might take a while but it's coming .
Sadly that's not true and nor would I want it to be due to the fact that they employ a great number of hard working people which I recognise but sadly Tesco doesn't. Let's face it USDAW sold us down the garden path with this one and the big question is why, what was in it for those individuals at the table. Nothing will be done until the day we all stand united with or without the union and really hit Tesco/USDAW where it hurts and that day is a long way off yet because they only hit small groups and the rest are dazzled by a few pence when they're worth so much more. We're all worth so much more. They're just playing the long game and it's costing them nothing except hard working employees, if that, the next move is no premiums at all now that they've got the playbook and it'll not be long.
What I meant was the equal pay case if asda and sainsburys win their cases then tesco staff will win theirs.
Quote from: his scots tie on 17-07-18, 01:54PM
There not getting you to sign a contract in july,they will wait till november .That was posted on yammer
well I've had my contract presented four times in just over a week and threatened with dismissal twice if I don't sign. There's definitely something going on.
There's a lot of passion about this subject on here.
There's also a lot of knowledgeable posts written about it.
I've previously written on this thread – so I'd just like to reiterate that I am one of the 3%.
To clarify, what that means is that my average weekly pay will be lower in the period "Nov 2018-Oct 2019" than it was in the period "Nov 2016-Oct 2017".
The cushion payment I will be receiving is supposedly to equalise the loss.
In summary, together with my cushion payment, I will be receiving a 0% pay rise.
In terms of pay rises – I've been with Tesco for around 13 years – for a number of years Tesco were "relatively" generous – and also prompt. I remember payrises in the 2-3% bracket and they would regularly happen on an annual basis – I think they kicked in from July.
However, we then went a period without a payrise – and then they started implementing it later – e.g. in November rather than July. I'm only quoting this from memory – so please feel free to correct me.
I'm guessing this coincided with what was effectively a dark time for the company – record losses etc. Was this ALL caused by the accounting scandal – or were Tesco struggling because of the horse meat scandal, or increased competition from Aldi/Lidl.
Anyway – when companies struggle, clearly the most obvious course of action is to try to reduce costs – so the lack of payrises and the delay in implementing them was their chosen course of action.
I'll come back and complete this comment later.....
Tesco struggled for many reasons around time Terry Leahy left. The recession changed people's shopping habits, but Tesco bought restaurants and coffee shops. They stopped buying non food and luxury items. We didnt react quickly enough. Phil Clarke was pretty poor as ceo.
The one good thing we did around the recession was get into express. This has been massive for the company.
The accounting scandal, i feel, didnt necessarily put shoppers off but it destroyed the share price and the profitability.
Aldi and Lidl's growth hasnt helped.
Dave has done what any businessman has done and trimmed the fat. You guys on here absolutely hated the pms. He got rid of them. But he has also made a lot of decisions for the right reasons, long term safety of the company. But in totally the wrong way. Nowhere near the correct levels of compensation for changes to contracts.
One thing I do believe though. No matter if the accounting scandal had happened or not, I think these contract changes and big decisions would have been made.
Wherever at the end of the day Mr Lewis walks away with 4.5million I get zero
The cuts are efficiency cuts which allow him try to justify a few more million. If he can make minions do 2 aisles instead of 1 he doesn't need to replace staff. If he loses 1 GA in every store think of the cost saving. He can reinvest this money but f that when his own piggy bank could benefit.
It's the fact that two years ago when the raise was announced they said that staff affected by the reduction in Sunday premium would be compensated. What they failed to explain is that if you are 1 pence better off in Nov 18 than than Nov 16 that there will be no compensation. They also didn't explain to us that we would see a dip in our monthly pay in July 18. Everybody gets a personal letter around bonus time to outline the bonus and how it was calculated. Nobody has had a personal letter to explain the two year pay deal and how it would affect us individually. All of us Sunday workers realised we would be affected in July and were waiting for the promised letter in June. When it didn't appear we started to realise that we'd been shafted.
by the way I was told today that in our CFC only 5 people got compensation out of around 500 staff and that I was the only one who had a lower amount on the new contract - but I know different
Next to the shady calculation and the terrible communication the inconsistency (probably due to the terrible communication) with which stores seem to be handling this (even before we have actual confirmation of what they've done - the next 8 days can't pass too quickly for me) is the worst...
lol I just noticed on the ourtesco news and views section they just added a link to the social media policy above the comments box pretty sure that's new since more people starting kicking off over there ;D somebody's noticing at least... not gonna stop me...
Quote from: sfo on 17-07-18, 06:46PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 17-07-18, 01:54PM
There not getting you to sign a contract in july,they will wait till november .That was posted on yammer
well I've had my contract presented four times in just over a week and threatened with dismissal twice if I don't sign. There's definitely something going on.
As far as I recall, don't know if it's changed though, You have four weeks to reject the contract in writing. If you don't sign it but continue to accept payment, you deemed to have accepted the contract.
One things for sure, they can't sack you as Tesco would be laughed out of court, which is no doubt where they'd find themselves.
Not sure what the process is though if you refuse in writing and refuse to work!! You may be deemed to have resigned. Whether you could bring about a constructive dismissal case with this option is the question, as when you left you were basically given a no option pay cut.
Quote from: Spongbob on 17-07-18, 07:57PM
Wherever at the end of the day Mr Lewis walks away with 4.5million I get zero
4.5? add 10 million onto that and you'll be getting a lot closer >:(
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
I'm pretty sure anyone who works any significant amount of hours in a Sunday will be down til November unless we've all got it completely wrong (I honestly hope we have - I don't think we have - wouldn't it be nice if someone who knew would tell us? I know they're reading...)
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse
You ill be about £1 a month worse off until November!
Just read the guardian article about equal pay they say that distribution still get double time on Sunday >:( >:( >:(not right have signed up to claim as got a letter from them offering me the chance so going to go with it.As I believe we should not have lost our case last time.
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
I reckon £10-15 worse off
So do we sign the new contract ir not? I've been told there is one to sigh and im just waiting for my manager to get organised and have us sign it!!!!!
Organised management at tosco :D you'll have a long wait
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
If your working every sunday premium at time and half will be 15 hours monthly.So you will be losing 7.5 hours × £8.02 = £60.15 monthly.Your pay rise is .16p × 22.5,so £14.40 per month.Thats a loss of £45.75 a month.
Quote from: his scots tie on 18-07-18, 08:55AM
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
If your working every sunday premium at time and half will be 15 hours monthly.So you will be losing 7.5 hours × £8.02 = £60.15 monthly.Your pay rise is .16p × 22.5,so £14.40 per month.Thats a loss of £45.75 a month.
They work nightshift , only working 2hrs on a Sunday, going from time and a half to time and a quarter is a loss of £16.04 over a 4 week pay period .Then pay rise of 16pence an hour for 22.5 hours a week over 4 weeks is £14.40 by my calculation they will lose £1.64 per pay period until November.
Correct.Thought they worked 10 7 on sunday
In reality it doesn't matter whether you sign or not. As a matter of principle I wouldn't signal inferior contract. aside from that there is much entertainment value in watching the managers trying to deny and justify the pay cut 😁
I have a meeting with the managers at lunchtime today and have been told that they have worked out why there is a difference in the two contracts. Looking forward to it greatly.
Could it be something to do with the time and a half going down to time and a quarter ???
Oh I hadn't thought of that lol I'm looking forward to hearing how I'm better off on less money
Dave Lewis to TM are all arseholes.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 18-07-18, 08:51AM
Organised management at tosco :D you'll have a long wait
:D :D :D :D :D you're not wrong!
It's just been explained to me that the first November pay rise was not actually a raise but a "front loaded" payment and I was actually overpaid since then. He agreed that i should have been warned that my weekly pay would go down. He has given me until Monday to sign the contract or I will be suspended
sfo it's a no brainer just tell them to suspend you as long as it is with full pay.:)
Go to citizens advice.
Hammer10 where's the Fun in that. :)
Quote from: Welshie on 18-07-18, 09:11AM
Quote from: his scots tie on 18-07-18, 08:55AM
Quote from: carlh on 18-07-18, 01:52AM
Im a bit thick when it comes to this but I work sun,Mon and Tues nights 10-7. How much will I be worse off?
If your working every sunday premium at time and half will be 15 hours monthly.So you will be losing 7.5 hours × £8.02 = £60.15 monthly.Your pay rise is .16p × 22.5,so £14.40 per month.Thats a loss of £45.75 a month.
They work nightshift , only working 2hrs on a Sunday, going from time and a half to time and a quarter is a loss of £16.04 over a 4 week pay period .Then pay rise of 16pence an hour for 22.5 hours a week over 4 weeks is £14.40 by my calculation they will lose £1.64 per pay period until November.
Looks like they are using the pay data from November 2016 - November 2017!!! So the hourly rate won't be £8.02, but £7.62 instead.... crafty
Quote from: sfo on 18-07-18, 12:43PM
It's just been explained to me that the first November pay rise was not actually a raise but a "front loaded" payment and I was actually overpaid since then. He agreed that i should have been warned that my weekly pay would go down. He has given me until Monday to sign the contract or I will be suspended
We all know the pay deal is wrong and has been underhand.Its been craftily worked so very few get a payout despite 5 months pay cut.But its probably been done legally.If you dont sign your contract what then.If you try to claim constructive dissmisal what chance of winning? Your hourly rate as gone up its your premiums that have changed and you agree to that through collective bargaining.Where did leigh day get with ptemiums being cut from double time,although perhaps not best case put forward,they failed.If i where you i would sign it.
Quote from: sfo on 18-07-18, 12:43PM
It's just been explained to me that the first November pay rise was not actually a raise but a "front loaded" payment and I was actually overpaid since then. He agreed that i should have been warned that my weekly pay would go down. He has given me until Monday to sign the contract or I will be suspended
So all the unaffected colleagues working weekdays, that also received the pay rise, are being overpaid ???
What has November 2016 - November 2017 pay data got to do with premiums being cut this month, mind boggling. You have cut the premiums in July 2018 and your effecting my future earnings and ungentlemanly going against my terms and conditions on my contract without being compensated. It's too bad you want the company you work for to be another Woolworths! and just vanish into thin air.
This is too complicated for me. I'm off to a dark room for a lie down.
They take 12 months earnings from Nov 17 to Nov 18,and Nov 18 to Nov 19 and compare to previous 12 months earnings.In 97 % of cases in both years your earnings will have incresed so no payout.A full time GA contracted to sundays in Nov 18 will be earning £1 per month more than in Nov 17,and despite having to have a £38 pay cut for five months from july he wont get a payout because he has earned more in both years .Very craftily and cleverly done Tesco and Usdaw.
sent an email off to Colleague.Response this this they reply i got back
Hello --------,
Thanks for getting in contact and for your service to Tesco.
You'll know that in July 2017 we announced a two-year pay deal for all store colleagues which includes three increases to basic hourly rates in November 2017, July 2018 and November 2018. The deal also included 12 months advanced notice before a reduction in premium rates from time and a half to time and a quarter from July 2018.
To work out how colleagues are affected by the combination of these changes, Tesco have analysed a year's worth of pay data for every colleague from November 2016 to November 2017. This included the hourly rate that was paid to all colleagues before the two-year deal started and was then compared with what their pay would be, working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay effective 18 November 2018 and the lower premium rates.
If an individual is impacted financially under the new pay structure, they will receive a one-off payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay.
The comparison is between pay before any of the three pay rises were made, and what it will be after all three pay increases and the changes to premiums. Not everyone who works a Sunday or bank holiday will automatically receive a payment – it is about whether, following all of the changes being applied they remain financially impacted.
The reason that the one-off payment is based on the rate of pay from November 2018 is that it was agreed as part of one complete pay deal, spanning two years. It is important for colleagues to take into account the whole of the pay deal, and not just the most recent change to premiums.
Changes to premiums will affect everyone differently, because everyone works different hours in Tesco. This does mean that the overall value of the pay increase will vary depending on the hours that members work. However, colleagues consistently tell us that their basic hourly rate is the most important part of their pay, and this significant increase to the basic hourly rate will benefit the vast majority of Tesco colleagues.
Pay may fluctuate at the different stages of the pay deal – increasing after the first stage, possibly decreasing during the second and then increasing again in the third and final stage. However, if you consider this over the course of the full year from November 2017 – November 2018, the fluctuations will balance out, and pay will remain the same or improve. Plus, this higher hourly rate will form the basis for future pay reviews and will also feed through to premium payments.
Thanks again for getting in contact and I hope this additional information provides more clarity on the process.
The Colleague Response Team
Any one understand what they said?
Bascially we knew you were getting screwed we are now laughing as we are making more money out of say 6000 staff affected for 5 months increasing our overall.profits at end of the year, now shut up and deal with it.
That what they are saying lol
Well, I told them in no uncertain terms what they could do with their Sunday shift. Shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Rather lose the money and have a life.
Pretty much what my manager said. This should have been explained two years ago. Nobody expected weekly salary to go down at any point without a compensation payment. so o er the two year pay deal I got a of 5.25 pc.this month the overall raise drops to 0.54 pc and in November the total raise will be 3.3pc over two years. Add in to that this year bonus was less than last year and it's a pay cut. Next year's p60 will show a lower income than last year.
So by their own admission, 2016 -2018, Pay May remain the same.
Outstanding!!! Not!! No pay negotiation "award" should see any worker "remain the same" after full implementation of "the deal" because it is not an award, it has a detrimental structure overall for some.
It should at least be an overall award increase for all or it shouldn't be called an increase.
Quote from: his scots tie on 18-07-18, 02:54PM
Quote from: sfo on 18-07-18, 12:43PM
It's just been explained to me that the first November pay rise was not actually a raise but a "front loaded" payment and I was actually overpaid since then. He agreed that i should have been warned that my weekly pay would go down. He has given me until Monday to sign the contract or I will be suspended
We all know the pay deal is wrong and has been underhand.Its been craftily worked so very few get a payout despite 5 months pay cut.But its probably been done legally.If you dont sign your contract what then.If you try to claim constructive dissmisal what chance of winning? Your hourly rate as gone up its your premiums that have changed and you agree to that through collective bargaining.Where did leigh day get with ptemiums being cut from double time,although perhaps not best case put forward,they failed.If i where you i would sign it.
I think you're I will sign it and ask a letter of protest to be put on my file. At the end of the day they've screwed the Sunday workers and there's probably nothing we can do about it except leave. I will redouble my efforts to get another job.
If you do sign it. write on the contract that you are signing it under protest as you do not agree with the pay decrease and you are being bullied by Mr X into signing it. as you have been threatened with suspension. not a lot he can say to that.
I agree.
Got mine to sign it's £13.01 less per week, £52.04 each pay day. When it comes to the pay deal we have never had a choice and what we was lead to believe is that we'd be compensated by any losses based on what we earn when it came into place, we've never been on a lot in the first place and can see a loss like that meaning that households will suffer, people never except to lose pay for doing the same job and hours and base their future and commitments on this, I just really pray that nobody loses their home or get so low that they feel no way out but to take their life.
Mcardle1982, basically tesco will compare the earning for whole year from nov 2016 to 2017, including all hours and bh plus sunday overtime to nov 2018 to nov 2019 with expected doing the same overtime and bank holiday, basic 7.62 to 8.42, and it is very fair.....according to tesco.
But ofcourse some people will have down for 5 month or even more without cushion payment.
You know what make even hurt, the way they explain to us like we are todler.
2018 minimum wage is £. 7.83, while in 2019 predicted to be around £ 8.20 to catch up £. 9 on 2020.
So comparing earning on 2018 and 2019 to £. 7.62 that under minimum wage of this time, that is a big insult for us.
But let them have my few £££ every pay day, meanwhile i work less and slower, and will answer no we dont have it anymore when customer ask and not make it priority for high selling item to put in the self soon, hey we only unskilled worker, no need to analysed about selling, it is tesco bosses job, who always s*** the amount of order and try to hide their failure by over distributed goods to the shops, make the shop chockablock with repeated item.
Desparate it is double time to time and a half then to time and a quarter before we know it we will have single rate and no premiums. Do you think the TMs will want treble the work out the GAs then. Fuckin joke of a place. Meanwhile Dave is saying he is short of a million. I work to make time go not because the management are constantly on our case. Doesn't matter how much you do for them they will always gripe.
There is plenty of people who have taken there life because of the stress of this company and what they thought was going to happpen and did happen. It can be seen in newspapers, previous threads and through the grape vine. In my store people are struggling to get by as it is cost of living on the rise and wages staying the same. Now some of these people have been hacked by £50 for next 5 months. But don't worry in month 6 you'll get your usual £50 plus £1 extra. So in 250 months break even?
Quote from: Mcardle1982 on 18-07-18, 04:32PM
sent an email off to Colleague.Response this this they reply i got back
Hello --------,
Thanks for getting in contact and for your service to Tesco.
You'll know that in July 2017 we announced a two-year pay deal for all store colleagues which includes three increases to basic hourly rates in November 2017, July 2018 and November 2018. The deal also included 12 months advanced notice before a reduction in premium rates from time and a half to time and a quarter from July 2018.
To work out how colleagues are affected by the combination of these changes, Tesco have analysed a year's worth of pay data for every colleague from November 2016 to November 2017. This included the hourly rate that was paid to all colleagues before the two-year deal started and was then compared with what their pay would be, working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay effective 18 November 2018 and the lower premium rates.
If an individual is impacted financially under the new pay structure, they will receive a one-off payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay.
The comparison is between pay before any of the three pay rises were made, and what it will be after all three pay increases and the changes to premiums. Not everyone who works a Sunday or bank holiday will automatically receive a payment – it is about whether, following all of the changes being applied they remain financially impacted.
The reason that the one-off payment is based on the rate of pay from November 2018 is that it was agreed as part of one complete pay deal, spanning two years. It is important for colleagues to take into account the whole of the pay deal, and not just the most recent change to premiums.
Changes to premiums will affect everyone differently, because everyone works different hours in Tesco. This does mean that the overall value of the pay increase will vary depending on the hours that members work. However, colleagues consistently tell us that their basic hourly rate is the most important part of their pay, and this significant increase to the basic hourly rate will benefit the vast majority of Tesco colleagues.
Pay may fluctuate at the different stages of the pay deal – increasing after the first stage, possibly decreasing during the second and then increasing again in the third and final stage. However, if you consider this over the course of the full year from November 2017 – November 2018, the fluctuations will balance out, and pay will remain the same or improve. Plus, this higher hourly rate will form the basis for future pay reviews and will also feed through to premium payments.
Thanks again for getting in contact and I hope this additional information provides more clarity on the process.
The Colleague Response Team
Any one understand what they said?
Precisely what I was trying to convey in an earlier post... the 2 year pay deal as a whole in itself legal but totally immoral. Both the Company and the Union knew exactly what they were doing. It's underhanded and in part misleading with regards to the booklets.
This is the response I would have expected. Their underhandedness is the only thing that is transparent.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 19-07-18, 10:11AM
There is plenty of people who have taken there life because of the stress of this company and what they thought was going to happpen and did happen. It can be seen in newspapers, previous threads and through the grape vine. In my store people are struggling to get by as it is cost of living on the rise and wages staying the same. Now some of these people have been hacked by £50 for next 5 months. But don't worry in month 6 you'll get your usual £50 plus £1 extra. So in 250 months break even?
In my case it would have been lose £16 pw now and get £11 back in November - anyhow I've opted out of sundays and will make up the difference with agency work
:thumbup: good luck sfo
One of the girls in our store has openly said she 'll go on the sick for the next 2 Sundays so that she's still "employed" by the company so she can get her payment but is leaving to go to a new job. Not handing in her notice, just not coming back. Her manager says they can't do anything even though they have heard the rumours.
Good for her I wouldn't give them notice either.
WMTY is now live , I can't wait to put in my views .
Got my contract today and compared it to the one I got in January 2016 wow I am better off by a whole £ 4.60 a month.I can't contain myself ,what shall I spend on.That won't even cover my weekly spend in the canteen.What pay rise some joke .
The 4.60 won't cover your rise in spend in the canteen now the new chef is double charging.
So glad I don't work sat nights lol. Not worth it without the time and a half. Is the extra 10 quid worth your weekend.
Quote from: Duracell on 18-07-18, 06:19PM
So by their own admission, 2016 -2018, Pay May remain the same.
Outstanding!!! Not!! No pay negotiation "award" should see any worker "remain the same" after full implementation of "the deal" because it is not an award, it has a detrimental structure overall for some.
It should at least be an overall award increase for all or it shouldn't be called an increase.
It's ridiculous Duracell. Some with no increase, some with temporary decrease, many on different percentage increases depending on which shifts worked.
Outrageous. Never known a pay deal like it anywhere.
Can anyone explain to me how I would not be eligible for this payment. One person in our whole store is getting it. He works a Sunday 11-19:30, and Monday from 6-10. My previous contracted hours, was 5-9am Tuesday and Friday, then 6-10pm Saturday and Sunday, in the year 16-17. My contract changed last year, before any mention of the 2 year plan. My new contract since last year, has been Saturday 5-9am, and Sunday 10-6pm. Based off my current contract, i lose 16 pound a week i believe. I'm struggling to see how he can receive this payment and i do not? , I truly am baffled.
It's probably because if he has worked the bank holidays he would have been getting time & a half for 2016 2017 now he will be getting time & a quarter, so on less money now the premiums have gone down. That's the way I see it .
Soupyc123 - Have you worked any overtime? Unfortunately, the calculation takes into account any overtime you may have worked, and assumes you will continue to work that overtime going forward.
I've refused over time, for the most part of the last 2 years, mainly the past year due to realizing how poorly we as staff are treated. I've stayed on Saturday no more than 2hrs, but i haven't done any significant overtime that would make a difference. Also, I think that him working a Monday and Sunday was being said by some people. I understand he will lose out more is correct, but the point is I still lose out and just because i don't work a Monday, i also lose out on the payment? I find it truly unbelievable that is going to be their justification as to why, there are only 4-6 Monday bank holidays a year, I am losing out because of a max 6 days. There's 52 Sundays in the year, the logic behind this baffles me. 50/60 members of staff all handed out a stupid book, getting a talk and being told if you lose out you will potentially be compensated, receiving books in the post saying the exact same thing. No mention of a Monday anywhere until now. I lose out, fellow colleagues lose out, we've been lied to all year. I had one foot out the door already, planned to leave at the end of August. This has just pushed me out the door, my notice is being handed in as soon as possible, simply not worth it.
@ soupyc123
I'm very sure you won't be the last to leave over this debacle. Though it astonishes me how this has been known for about a year and staff are only now furious with it. Why not the anger from Day 1??
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 21-07-18, 06:09PM
@ soupyc123
I'm very sure you won't be the last to leave over this debacle. Though it astonishes me how this has been known for about a year and staff are only now furious with it. Why not the anger from Day 1??
Did staff know they weren't getting a pay off from day 1? If not then i can see why they didn't kick up a fuss.
I did read the leaflet they gave out and nowhere on there said I would be short in my wage for 5 months, just that if by Nov 2018 my wage was lower I would have a payment in July. To me that's not being open honest and transparent like Dave said he would be. Angry yes bloody flaming
Dave Lewis open, honest and transparent. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D..have look at him when he makes video to chat to us...he can't even make eye contact with the camera..he's a complete tw*t.
We were all led to believe that any loss in pay and you would receive the payment. I understand that people will lose out during the 5 months, as will I, but I lose out even after the 5 months is done, when the pay goes up to 8.42(?), I still lose money due to the bulk of my hours being on a Sunday. So I cannot wrap my head around why I am getting absolutely nothing lol. Like I said 50/60 staff at our store, were all briefed and told they would get compensated. Every Sunday worker in my store believed they were losing money, now obviously this is not the case due to the figures that Tesco used to work out, as people believed it was a loss from the original 7.62 or the 8.02. Having read here I now know that is not the case, however this does not affect me, it might affect everyone else, but I will still lose out regardless of if they have used, 7.62, 8.02 or the most recent 8.18, even if others wages break even come November.
It's very unfair 97% receiving a pay rise while the 3% who sacrificed their Sundays and bank holidays not :thumbdown:
Quote from: Preacherpauly on 21-07-18, 06:24PM
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 21-07-18, 06:09PM
@ soupyc123
I'm very sure you won't be the last to leave over this debacle. Though it astonishes me how this has been known for about a year and staff are only now furious with it. Why not the anger from Day 1??
Did staff know they weren't getting a pay off from day 1? If not then i can see why they didn't kick up a fuss.
Was of the understanding your transition payment was the amount you are losing monthly in july,after 16p per hour pay rise and cut in premiums.In my case 18x £45.Not to get it because im earning £1 per month more in nov 18 than nov 17 is outrageous,morally wrong,unfair and underhand deal.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 21-07-18, 06:09PM
@ soupyc123
I'm very sure you won't be the last to leave over this debacle. Though it astonishes me how this has been known for about a year and staff are only now furious with it. Why not the anger from Day 1??
Simple. People didnt understand or didnt believe it. My co-worker was convinced he was getting a payout regardless of how many times I went through it with him, It was only when he realised he wasn't once the letter deadline had been and gone that he got angry.
It's going to be a long five pay dates seeing the pay decrease come to light !! How can the national pay forum say it was the best deal when it must have been apparent that these five months was going to lose colleagues money!! I do feel genuinely let down and for the first time in my working life give up my union membership!!!
Quote from: his scots tie on 21-07-18, 08:53PM
Quote from: Preacherpauly on 21-07-18, 06:24PM
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 21-07-18, 06:09PM
@ soupyc123
I'm very sure you won't be the last to leave over this debacle. Though it astonishes me how this has been known for about a year and staff are only now furious with it. Why not the anger from Day 1??
Did staff know they weren't getting a pay off from day 1? If not then i can see why they didn't kick up a fuss.
Was of the understanding your transition payment was the amount you are losing monthly in july,after 16p per hour pay rise and cut in premiums.In my case 18x £45.Not to get it because im earning £1 per month more in nov 18 than nov 17 is outrageous,morally wrong,unfair and underhand deal.
This was me as well still find it hard to believe how underhanded they've been.
I agree that the 'pay deal' is confusing, murky call it want you will. I would guess that when we were first given the leaflet detailing the two year deal that Sunday workers assumed that a 'one off payment' would come their way in the same way as it did when double time was reduced to time and a half, in other words a decent lump sum. This paydeal is not transparent and by its very makeup, using £ then % then £ for the three rises it is conveniently confusing to the masses. Regarding the 'cushion payments' If you didn't receive a letter then at least you will in Nov (on paper) be better off than before the pay deal began. Colleagues in the 3% boat will have received varying 'cushion payments' to bring up to from minus figures to where they were ( on paper) before the pay deal ( no pay increase) I'm still shocked and stunned by how this has been allowed to happen in this way .
Quote from: T.C.1 on 22-07-18, 06:24AM
It's going to be a long five pay dates seeing the pay decrease come to light !! How can the national pay forum say it was the best deal when it must have been apparent that these five months was going to lose colleagues money!! I do feel genuinely let down and for the first time in my working life give up my union membership!!!
That is a huge question one that would be best suited to asking the Union.
So I have, I will update you on the answer.
That'll be an interesting read
Everyone needs to leave the union .
Well, I think if this pay deal sets the precedent for the next one and beyond, there's a good chance they may.
Quote from: T.C.1 on 22-07-18, 06:24AM
It's going to be a long five pay dates seeing the pay decrease come to light !! How can the national pay forum say it was the best deal when it must have been apparent that these five months was going to lose colleagues money!! I do feel genuinely let down and for the first time in my working life give up my union membership!!!
:o it is only the first time in your working life.
Yep Greengrocer it's the final straw to hood wink members by the sham of a 10% pay rise resulting in these 5 months of losing money which hard press colleagues can ill afford the question is have you got any confidence for the next pay round!! Tesco will be rubbing there hands!!!
We would like to have been better off not negotiating at at all since they are statutorily bound to give us the payrise anyway. It may have been later rather than sooner but hey we wouldn't be in this mess.
I'm sure usdaw are french,they surrender at the earliest opportunity. :P
I think tesco did try to make it looks murky, with hope that we gonna get cushion payment.
But base on their own calculation, sure they will know in the beginning who will gonna have pay cut and what is our financial projection within few years.
At least they can wrote to us that our pay will be impacted, down to £.xxxx for certain amount of time, but they dont,
They deliberately try to deceive us from the beginning and not brave enough to write us a letter of our financial projection.
Knowing this will happen again in the future, and another premium loss, another cut, another mini payrise that claim huge compare to 10 years ago, really dont get it why people still with union.
Might be cheaper to pay some of that fat cat rather than the staff.
Well i have told my manager i won't be doing any overtime or working bank holidays!!
The whole thing stinks i will be cancelling my usdaw membership. I would ha e done it sooner but i was waiting to see how this all pans out but there is nothing we can do.
I also wont be spending any money shopping in tesco not that i do much anyway as other shops are cheaper!!
Has anyone done what matters to you yet?
Done the WMTY based on full year opposed to last few weeks when managers have actually been supporting the team, not wasting time and had the place well staffed. It can be done. Not interested in them putting on a show for 5 mins when the managers have been cocks, wages are hardly rising and the store has been a mess for the best part of the year. It'll be interesting to see the new format stores run on just an sm and a assistant manager in immingham etc. Stores as big as your largest extra too.
I think we now have a consensus on here that the method of calculation for the possible cushion payment was underhand/disingenuous/unfair. There also seems to be much angst as to how Usdaw agreed to this. Here's my take on things.
I am not, and have never been part of Usdaw. For as long as I can remember (being at Tesco), I've been of the understanding that we're in a collective agreement – i.e. these negotiations take place each year (more or less) and a decision is made. This is slightly different to what I've known in other employees. Effectively, what might have happened (under a different type of agreement/arrangement) is "Tesco make an offer, Usdaw consider it, and then it is put to members to vote on it – and then it's either accepted/rejected".
I see a couple of issues with the second – what is seemingly the better scenario:
1) This particular pay offer only adversely affected people who "regularly" work Sundays/BHs. Although this is more than the 3% that Tesco say are due cushion payments, it would still be a minority – so unless there was some sort of sympathetic vote from "non affected colleagues" towards their "Sunday colleagues", there would still be a majority who would potentially be voting in favour of the paydeal.
2) The complexity of the deal might have made it very difficult for most colleagues (no offence intended) to understand.
Moving on – if we did have that type of arrangement, and we did all reject a particular pay deal – what happens next? The only option is industrial action – either refusing to work overtime or refusing to work at all – i.e. strike action. How would that affect Tesco.
Well it would only be union members who had a right to strike. What's the % of employees in the union? I know it will vary from store to store – so there is a small possibility there might be some localised impact.
Basically what I am trying to say is that in this day and age, employees have very little power if pushing for a higher pay rise or better terms and conditions. Especially in the case of what Tesco may refer to as "unskilled roles" – in terms of an unskilled role, length of service is relatively irrelevant – let's face it – new starters get about 30 mins training (if they're lucky) – so the job can't be that hard can it?
So, the threat of strike action is always going to be a very blunt tool with which to "rebel".
Ultimately, whatever Tesco offer us we have to be grateful for. So long as they are paying the NLW they have no further obligation. As many have said on this thread, if you don't like it – you know what you can do!!
Maybe try and get a job in "Jacks" – anyone read the Mail on Sunday yesterday? Is there a link on here about that story? New Tesco discount store – rumoured to be paying £9 an hour .....wonder if there are any Sunday premiums? I bet not!!!
"Every colleague will benefit from higher hourly rates of pay after the 10.5% pay increase. A small number of colleagues who saw a reduction to their premiums may see a net reduction in take-home pay based on their individual work pattern. Colleagues affected by this will receive communication from the end of June and will receive a one-off payment as part of the wider package of changes to pay and premiums." This is our Team5, Whare is our payment
billandben>
Yes this is the general team 5 message - however, it appears you may be "reading it" as you "want" to read it.
Here's the important part:
Every colleague will benefit from higher hourly rates of pay after the 10.5% pay increase
This is factually correct - after all even Sunday hours are strictly classed as being "hourly rate plus premium" (rather than the simplistic view of "I'm working for £12 an hour" (or whatever the exact figure is). Most employees in every industry would talk about their Sunday pay as ....£xxx per hour.....rather than I get my normal rate of pay and then a premium of xx%.
Reading on.....
"A small number of colleagues ...may see a net reduction in take-home pay"
In % terms, this means that overall their total weekly/monthly pay will be "lower". In Tesco's eyes, by "lower" they mean lower than the period before November 2017. By lower, this means their % increase will be a negative figure.
Any employee who works Mon-Sat and never works a Sunday/BH will eventually see their "weekly pay" be higher (by around 10.5%) when compared to their weekly pay back in Oct 2017. This will "eventually" happen after Nov 2018....so will not be seen until the payday towards the end of Nov (I believe). Or is it even Dec payslip?
So that's two class of employees......
Those getting 10.5% and those getting "Less than 0%".
The remainder (anyone who works a Sunday or BH) will get somewhere between 0.01% and 10.49%.......
If you fall in this category, you will not get a cushion payment.......and you will also not feel the full benefit of an eventual 10.5% payrise (most of which Tesco would legally be bound to give you, based on the NLW)
That's pretty much the summary of it!!
https://www.tesco-careers.com/jobdetails/296478/ (https://www.tesco-careers.com/jobdetails/296478/)
no mention of Sunday premiums here!!!
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 23-07-18, 12:09PM
Done the WMTY based on full year opposed to last few weeks when managers have actually been supporting the team, not wasting time and had the place well staffed. It can be done. Not interested in them putting on a show for 5 mins when the managers have been c**ks, wages are hardly rising and the store has been a mess for the best part of the year. It'll be interesting to see the new format stores run on just an sm and a assistant manager in immingham etc. Stores as big as your largest extra too.
Am unable to get on the link I've been given, says survey closed....do you have a link I can go on ???
I just put in google wmty.com
Quote from: carlh on 23-07-18, 05:10AM
I'm sure usdaw are french,they surrender at the earliest opportunity. :P
I can't believe that anyone is still in the union let alone continue to be surprised when they shaft us all yet again. Cancelled my membership a long time ago and kept the money in my pocket.
some interesting bits and pieces in this article from 2015
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33427825 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33427825)
The article in your post linked to this, which I thought interesting to say the least.
https://www.hrzone.com/engage/managers/news-boots-move-to-slash-sunday-pay-unlawful-rules-tribunal (https://www.hrzone.com/engage/managers/news-boots-move-to-slash-sunday-pay-unlawful-rules-tribunal)
QuoteBut the tribunal upheld the workers' claim after a three day hearing in Nottingham, where the retailer is based. The ruling means that it could now be liable for either compensation or a backdated bill that could run into many thousands of pounds.
Three test cases were brought against Boots by the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers, the Pharmacists' Defence Association and Patricia Onuorah, who worked for Boots and represented herself.
only newsagents open till 11.00 sunday. nowt wrong with that till greed took over >:(. now employers are allowed to take the p**s >:(
we all managed to shop perfectly well monday to saturday. why the change? greed and nothing else!! >:(
Opening Hrs for the Stornoway store - 0600 - 0000 Mon. til Fri. 0600 - 2200 Sat. Closed on Sunday so no staff work on the Sunday (-*-)
Back to topic, or is it exhausted ?
Can't remember who it was on here, but they posted a response from Tesco (colleague room I think it was) regarding the 5 month decrease etc.
And yet... STILL no response from Usdaw! Not to reps, members or anyone!
Interesting that the link above to the boots case, was upheld even though the initiative and the premium reduction was supported by over 90% of Staff, it says. Yet a T claim about Pay wasn't upheld where there was not such clarity of support. Also it was upheld 2012/13 yet they have not addressed the disparity.
The Boots case is interesting. When double time was reduced to time and a half two years ago we were fairly 'bought out' of our contract. There was clarity, the maths was easy to understand and very importantly we signed for it and in doing so agreed to it. So when the current two year pay deal was first brought to our attention in a glossy hand out last year with the words 'transition payment ' I would imagine you all thought as I did that the same fair method would be used again. I am one of the 3% and the words used on the June 18 booklet are 'one off payment' the amount i am to recieve is stated yet although there are examples of calculations ( a colleague affected/ a colleague not affected) there is no calculation personal to me and that surely should be included? Also I have not been asked to sign. To conclude this time we are not being 'bought out'. Had this have happened I would have received 6 times the amount of my cushion payment.
Just wanted to share with everyone my calculations.
Bear in mind effective pay rise is for 2 years. So half of it for each year.
and that "The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) 12-month rate was 2.4% in June 2018"
So effectively last 10.5% pay rise did not cover the inflation rate for any Tesco employee, regardless of how many hours they do.
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Hi there. I'm new to this site and just had a query re the time & quarter Sunday issue. I work 7 hours on a Sunday so by my calculations I'm going to be approx £14/week worse off. I've been on my current shifts since Apr 2017 and previously worked nights. I've worked for Tesco for 3 years in total. Am I missing something? I think this move will have a 'negative' impact but have not received any letter so am guessing I'm not going to receive any lump sum payment! Can anyone explain why? Thanks
Replying to the above post; with the two year pay deal we had a pay rise of 40p an hour in Nov 17. In July ( now) we have had another pay rise of 16p an hour making a total so far of 56p however Simultaneiuly with the second pay increase Sunday premium has been halved and on my calculations that is a loss of £1.81 each Sunday hour worked. Until November's third rise we Sunday workers will all be adversely affected however once that final pay increase has been implamented the majority will break even or be better off and only if you do not break even or are not better off at that Nov 18 point do you qualify for a cushion payment. It is important to point out that because of the reduction Sunday workers will not on paper enjoy the same pay increase as their non Sunday working colleagues and that seems very unfair and unjust.
The Sunday workers don't work half as hard as those in others days anyway.
I work Sundays and it is the hardest day of the week with a minimum of staff compared to week days. Although we only trade for six hours there is a lot of work done before 10 am and after 4pm, eg power aisle changes and re merching.
We have given up our sunday premium for very little.16p per hour this time 1.1% in 2016.Thats about .25p per hour.So we would be on £8.17 in november ,min wage will be more than that in April next year.Excellent negotiating skills by usdaw,who are supposed to have members best interest at heart.Another reason to kick usdaw into touch.
On the subject of this post, I don't think I can work out percentages, but, I have looked back at wage slips for the last few years to tell a story. 2014, 4 nights, including Saturday and Sunday, I was getting approximately £1150. After we lost double-time, about £1070, but did that include a pay-rise? When the new pension thing came in I upped my contributions to make Tesco contribute more, my decision, so now £1030. With our latest confusing 2 year pay-rise, I have just kept my head over the £1000 per 4 weeks that my household can just about live on. That £1000 does not allow for the last 4/5 years inflation. I fear that the next few months my wage will be below the minimum I have in my head, and while no-one in my family will starve, I have less to treat my grandchildren(2 more since 2014), than I used to. Also, I see this as a hidden pay-cut, 2 of us are now expected to complete the work that 3 used to do, when 1 guy left, never replaced. Moral never so low!
Dont forget about the tax, personal allowance will increase every year even last year it was only increase by 350, and less by percentage, who knows next year after gov decided to increase some pay, they might tright to increase some taxes including decreasing of tax allowance.
Back in the topic, so even if you earn the same, you will have increase payment every new tax year, but again dont forget we will have extra tax next year cuz tesco dont bother to move the payment this year to make it 13 times or devided into 14 times if i understand it correctly.
So hope tax code will be at least 1225 or 1250 even.
Regarding inflation, dont base your calculation of gov calculation inflation, it is just generic in general to calculate the value of product and service that in the end will be use to calculated how much extra money they need to print.
Real inflation we have i reckon is much bigger than that. Groceries alone can be up to 20% the last 2 years so if this cost your budget around 40%,you will have 8% increase from your expenditure, not mention monthly bill and other purchase that regular enough, plus increase either from price or volume that market strategy created so it seems cheap but you use more.
So if it start affecting too much, other way would be change of shopping and buying stuff, find some replacement brand or product even.
Usually within few month before winter, some prices will going up again, and plus our pay cut, heading towards christmas will be harder this year. Not try to scared anyone but just want to share my view about all of this.
Quote from: Loki on 23-07-18, 11:15PM
And yet... STILL no response from Usdaw! Not to reps, members or anyone!
I emailed them sunday asking the question and as yet have had no reply. I used the official ask a question portal on the union website as well.
The next question will be why i have been ignored then I will be leaving the union all together.
I've been in touch with an usdaw rep and have not had a response myself!!
Its shocking to me how may sunday staff don't even realise they are lossing pay between now and november!!
Looking at the new contract to old contract i was right in my calculation of being down £35!!!!
Me and my partner both work nights between us the loss is just over 100 pound God knows where I'm meant to find that from we struggle to last the month now with the bills and food cost ..petrol etc we spent the day yesterday trying to cut our bills on compare sites but these next few months are going to be so hard it's unfair but thay want extra work from us as we so short staffed
Try an energy company called bulb. I've more than halved my electric/gas bill.
Saved 30 a month moving my gas .electric which was Good I guess but thk you
The national pay forum and USDAW should hold there heads in shame with Nikkih post!! Her and her partner losing £100 not bearly making the month and colleagues in the same position for 5 months!!! It's a disgrace.
I just don't understand how we were never spoken to and still not, my partner is contracted to 5 days but works 6 I'm contracted to 4 have the grandchildren the others days, plus I've tried to do 5 nights it's much for me wouldn't mind but as we all know the more over time the more the tax man takes, someone else always has their hand on our money that we work hard for.
I had a meeting with my delivery manager over this and he was completely flustered. He said you didn't get time and a half you got a Sunday premium. I pointed to the sentence in the pay "rise"booklet that said our rates were going from time and a half to time and a quarter . He said "Oh". He said that I was the only one affected by this pay cut in a CFC of 700 staff. I bet him £50 that I could find another three within half hour ( I had them lined up) - he declined. I told him that this pay cut is going on throughout the store and throughout the country. He said " no it isn't". He explained that I received a 5.25% rise in November but that had gone down to 0.54% in July but would go up to 3.3% over 2 years in November. I struggled to contain my temper at this smug P;;;;;ks attitude. Anyway he then told me that he was a businessman ( I thought - no your not you work for Tesco and have never made a business decision in your life) but I managed to stop myself from laughing.
If anyone follows my posts I decided to sign the contract today as it will only be force for two weeks until I officially drop the Sunday working. So who cares. I asked when I would receive my new contract to reflect my change in hours - he said 4-6 weeks - so not as urgent as signing for a drop in wages then????
I would urge all colleagues to cancel USDAW membership - at least that saves you a tenner a month and if you can afford it opt out of Sunday working.
by the way join the Leigh Day class action. They may or not win but at least you'll have a ticket
Quote from: hot_chick on 24-07-18, 06:47PM
Its shocking to me how may sunday staff don't even realise they are lossing pay between now and november!!
I'm still almost excited to see the chaos that ensues tomorrow night when the payslips go online (and Friday when those who have given up or never even got the online system to work look at their bank accounts)
Dave Lewis needs a copy of nikkih post above in a frame on his desk so that he can read it every morning and come to realise the worry and misery his actions are causing. I hope to god he reads this, or someone is able to point it out to him,and he has the decency to hang his head in shame. I have not been so angry for a long long time.
Quote from: Nikkih4586 on 24-07-18, 07:13PM
Saved 30 a month moving my gas .electric which was Good I guess but thk you
you are welcome. With Scottish power I was paying £90 per month. I'm now paying £37 with bulb.
On payday will it be 3 weeks at the new rates or 4 ?
They don't care about us employees as long as they get there million pound pay day .This company has fallen to the lowest of the low since he took over no values ,management do not care .
Quote from: Pedroximenez on 25-07-18, 06:53AM
On payday will it be 3 weeks at the new rates or 4 ?
i think it will be 3 and 1 week at the old rate.
It's 4 week of new rate the pay rate changed on Sunday 1st July.
Quote from: sammy on 25-07-18, 09:20AM
It's 4 week of new rate the pay rate changed on Sunday 1st July.
Its 3 off new pay 1 off old! remember u don't get the week before payday sunday its carried over from last month
It's the week before for overtime so last month the cut off for overtime was the 21st. for your contracted shifts we are paid 1 pay infront so for the pay date 29th June we was paid till the 30th and the new rate of pay kicked in on Sunday 1st July. So it 4 weeks at time and a quarter sadly
Got my reply below is a copy of it.
QuoteFrom: Kiran Singh Sheri On Behalf Of Pauline Foulkes
Sent: 25 July 2018 13:12
To: Central Office Enquiries
Subject: RE: Sunday premium
Hi forrest,
Thanks for getting in touch.
To calculate whether staff will receive a transition payment, Tesco have analysed a year's worth of pay data for every member of staff from November 2016 to November 2017. This will then be compared with what their pay would be, working the same hours, with the new higher rate of pay and the lower premium rates. If an individual is impacted financially under the new pay structure, they will receive a payment equivalent to 18 months of the difference in pay. If people have worked Sunday as overtime between these dates, this would be included in their calculation also.
Not everyone who works a Sunday or bank holiday will automatically receive a payment – it is about whether, following all of the changes they are financially impacted.
The comparison is between pay before any of the three pay rises were made, and what it will be after all three pay increases and the changes to premiums.
The reason that the transition payment is based on the rate of pay from November 2018 is that it was agreed as part of one pay deal. It is important for members to take into account the whole of the pay deal, and not just the most recent change to premiums.
The pay deal includes three increases to basic hourly rates in November 2017, July 2018 and November 2018, taking the C grade hourly rate from £7.62 before November 2017 to £8.42 in November 2018. The deal also included 12 months advanced notice before a reduction in premium rates from time and a half to time and a quarter from July 2018.
The changes to the premiums will affect everyone differently, because everyone works different hours in Tesco. This does mean that the overall value of the pay increase will vary depending on the hours that members work. However, as a Union our members are overwhelmingly telling us that their basic hourly rate is the most important part of their pay, and this significant increase to the basic hourly rate will benefit the vast majority of Tesco staff.
I acknowledge that members pay may fluctuate at the different stages of the pay deal – increasing after the first stage, possibly decreasing during the second and then increasing again in the third and final stage. However, if you consider this over the course of the full year from November 2017 – November 2018, the fluctuations will balance out, and pay will remain the same or improve.
While I accept that the deal will affect everyone differently, everyone will benefit from the significantly higher hourly rate of pay going forward. This higher hourly rate will form the basis for future pay reviews. The higher hourly rate will also feed through to premium payments.
Kind Regards ]
Pauline Foulkes
National Officer
Usdaw
pauline.foulkes@usdaw.org.uk
0161 224 2804
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I mean just wow, they seem to think throwing people under the bus because there are only a few of them that are going to suffer is acceptable, I don't think that is what being a union is about at all though. It seems to me that as long as pauline foulkes are the rest of the executives are coining it in they don't really give a chuff.
What they seem to have forgotten in all this is that all they had to do was reject any removal of premiums because we will be getting 9 quid an hour from the minimum wage anyway soon enough, so this is like giving away money for diddly squat.
Its obvious they could give a toss about the rank and file members of the union just so long as they keep paying their subs all is good.
The majority of that reply is copied and pasted from the original pay deal announcement and the communication provided to reps in June.
They remain accountable for this disgusting pay deal. Furthermore... where's the evidence of members overwhelmingly stating that the hourly rate is most important aspect of pay deals?
The fact is that any ( if at all) suggestions for pay items to be negotiated are put forward via store forums, they are filtered down to 3 at SD forum level. It's a f**king disgrace.
For pay to decrease in the middle of any pay deal is unacceptable. It's not a damn mortgage where you ask the bank to temporarily adjust payments to interest only.
Unacceptable!
Quote from: Loki on 25-07-18, 06:36PM
The majority of that reply is copied and pasted from the original pay deal announcement and the communication provided to reps in June.
They remain accountable for this disgusting pay deal. Furthermore... where's the evidence of members overwhelmingly stating that the hourly rate is most important aspect of pay deals?
The fact is that any ( if at all) suggestions for pay items to be negotiated are put forward via store forums, they are filtered down to 3 at SD forum level. It's a f**king disgrace.
For pay to decrease in the middle of any pay deal is unacceptable. It's not a damn mortgage where you ask the bank to temporarily adjust payments to interest only.
Unacceptable!
Absolutely - Tesco and USDAW are peddling the same line. It should have been explained before the first pay rise( or loan as it has turned out). I mentioned this to a journalist today and she said she would look into it. Let's face it Dave Lewis is the new Mike Ashley.
Reps say we are the union ie colleagues on the shop floor so from Friday we all should email Paulline Foulkes and say how much we are out of pocket for 5 months and then say so you went all through colleagues on time and half and come out with the comment we will all benefit !!! Hope her inbox will take over her whole screen!!
Its quite pathetic how we pay in to a union and we have no say whatsoever on what goes on. Not even a vote. Seriously, why do we continue with usdaw.
We continue with usdaw because idiots keep paying their subs
Simple. Cancel your membership put the tenner against the first week pay cut
I agree - it's the only way they'll take notice. I came out when I lost my double time. Hit them where they're hitting you, in the pocket.
So I was planning on leaving and went ahead and did it, slightly off topic post but don't want to resurrect
another. Just checking HMRC and see I have about £40-50 less...expected. And this is also expected....they didn't pay me my earned holidays and I'm out of the country for a few months now! Can someone advise me on options, I can probably get my mum to pop down and ask them if need be, I don't think talking by phone is even viable when your night staff
So just checked my wages and I'm taking home £30 a month less then last month unbelievable
I've checked my payslip my Sunday premium has gone from £128.00 to £60.03 a difference of £65.00 although the increase in hourly rate has reduced that to approx £35.00 difference. So over the next four months it will work out as a £140 minus. I'm going to ring Acas in the morning and see if this is legal. I'm sure it will be as the powers will of ensured that the little people won't have any come back.
I'm down money aswell surprise surprise, I work 9 hours on a Sunday in my 35 hour week.
I read in the USDAW reply ( a few posts above ) that we had 12 months notice of the premium reduction. As regards being given a glossy handout then yes we did have 12 months notice HOWEVER when I read it I assumed that like last time ( double to time and a half) I and ALL Sunday workers would automatically receive a 'buy out ' sum of 18 months of the difference. The fact that this was not to be the case was not made clear. Neither was it spelt out that Sunday workers would go under for 5 months. I am £8 up with the pay rise but £45 down with the premium reduction UNFAIR and UNJUST
So does anyone know the actual conditions for us to receive a lump sum with this new pay 'deal'? After the £8.42 pay rise, I'll be down £27 /month. Yet, I didn't receive a lump sum payment even though it was agreed that those worse off should receive 18 months the difference in July 2018? So should be getting £486... yet nothing. Is there a minimum length of service? I joined September 2017 as the pay review was still taking place. Anyone else in the same boat...
It is calculated against what you earn the between Nov 2016 and Nov 2017 don't forget they have included this novembers pay rise which I think is wrong.
Any notice the the union money has gone up today mine by 24p. I only work 2 days 7.5 during the week and 7.5 on a Sunday I had no pay out but my Sunday premium is down by £58. With a £4 pay rise on a my other day in the week. How have they really worked this pay out. Out cause it just can't be righty
Well I'm f***ed off! Sunday premium reduced, been enrolled in pension now (third full month here)and the extra bit of tax... I worked twice as much overtime as previous months and come away with my lowest pay to date!
They bitch about flexibility and in some cases I've heard bully staff to "do their part for the team" because by not doing overtime "it's their fault the stores in the shitty state it's in now" why should I agree to overtime if I'm not gonna actually see the money in my take home...
I am down 100£ on last payslip. :thumbdown:
58 pound here 65 pound for my partner so 123 between us it's a f****ng joke that's like my council tax for the month I doubt the council will let me put it in hold for 5 months >:D
about 30 down for me not quite as bad as I feared mainly cos I work so few hours it looks like they're not taking NI payments now lol. Going to be asking my manager on Friday if they think it's acceptable that they weren't able to clearly inform me of this when I asked (in fact, before I asked) 2 weeks ago.
£45 down for me and this is only for 3weeks
The true impact will be next payday when it will
be the full four weeks reduced Sunday premium!!
I've stopped my union membership and sent them a email
Voicing my disgust in them, not that it will make a
difference exactly the same as taking part in WMTY
makes no difference so I'm not doing that either!!
Robbing gits I don't know how they keep getting away
with it!!!!'n
Anyone else's USDAW contribution gone up? Looks like membership fees have gone up, even they've got a pay rise, will be leaving the union but I've yet to be able to get hold of the in-store union rep in the last four months to do this
You can leave USDAW online.Fully recommended.
Union have taken an extra 24p from me
Should we have signed new contracts?
Down best part of 100 and had to work twice as hard this month due to untrained newbies and oldies leaving. No new contract yet or Team 5 about this too. This week half the staff have been trained on dot com, checkouts, price integrity, stock control....
(-*-)
Anyone got link to leave union online dont want to waste time by phone and have them tryimg to convience me to stay
Is unite a better union?
Hit them both in the pocket, cancel your union fees, take your shopping money elsewhere and master the art of doing nothing but looking busy. This would be my small moral victory.
O MY DAYS what are the union doing putting up fees the same month where all colleagues are taking a hit from time and half to time and a quatuar!!!! so what I've been told we were overpaid last year so these 5 months are balacling it out!!! Sorry where in the booklet did it say you should save in 16/17 for these 5 months!!! Like I said earlier Sainsburys tried the same thing but got caught out by the Asda take over MP's got involed it cost Sanisburys but they had to revise the pay offer plus the pay out on time and half!!
Sux moose balls doesn't it. This is the third payrise in a row that a small portion of our colleagues have become worse off. What sort of union allows that to happen without a fight? A useless one thats what.
This whole "pay review" thing has been poorly communicated and poorly explained to us staff members. As someone who has been doing most BHs and every Sunday for the past 13 months, I am not best pleased...
Problem is they wash their hands of it simply because of the collective bargaining process involving only 40+ National Forum reps voting on behalf of all store members.
It's scandalous.
And for both the company and Usdaw to state we were given ample notice adds insult to injury.
Furthermore, and if I've understood correctly, do not the majority of management receive a payout for Sunday's in October as it's calculated differently to hourly rate paid colleagues?
If so, then that makes it even worse.
You guys all realized i hope, this wont be the last time they sell us up. At least another one when all premium is gone.
The closest one will be those metro staff who gonna be converted. And who knows what else.
Even till today i havent found the real calculation how they measure this. They are not brave enough to open the formula, and to make it worse, manager seems wont support at least mentally of staff who got affected like this.
Even some people said they know nothing but they got paid enough at least to explain in the beginning, or now at least, it is not a funny thing for some people that live with pay to pay already and have to loose more.
But well i guess everyone should just take care of themself, and dont do too much for company and managers who dont care about you, dont even have decency to come to you and explain.
Quote from: his scots tie on 26-07-18, 10:34AM
You can leave USDAW online.Fully recommended.
Whats the link? I only got about 'ask a question' ant there u choose cancel membership.
Totot It will not be the last time as you say. Still waiting to see a formula also. Managers doing nothing for people mentally. In fact the investigations and disciplinarys have been through the roof at my place. My pay is the exact same every month give or take a 10£ but minus almost 100£ this month. The managers can't even look after themselves and end up looking daft. Just master the art of looking busy as someone here said. The toilet paper aisle is going to be in demand. The BMW and Mercedes driving TMs can sleep well they can give the SM lip service and bobs your granny. The GAs just have to make do with the left overs from the Tosco and USDAW nosh up.
Quote from: lordadmiral on 26-07-18, 12:10PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 26-07-18, 10:34AM
You can leave USDAW online.Fully recommended.
Whats the link? I only got about 'ask a question' ant there u choose cancel membership.
Send them an email and tell them you want to leave,mine was done same day.Dont wait to see a rep for months.
so what happens if over all you're down 35.74 a month in your wages after the time and a quarter thing and you Havent had a payment. tesco has robbed me of money. I'm at a loss not a gain.
Same here £35 less I thought that if the changes in July means you lost money when Sunday dropped to time and a quarter there was a transition payment until November!!
Thought transition payment was for 18 months.£45 short.
Quote from: yamieko on 26-07-18, 01:39PM
so what happens if over all you're down 35.74 a month in your wages after the time and a quarter thing and you Havent had a payment. tesco has robbed me of money. I'm at a loss not a gain.
What Tesco are saying and usdaw have agreed is your 12 months earnings from nov 17 to nov 18,will be more than previous 12 months,i.e nov 16 to nov 17.This despite having to have a pay cut for five months.So no pay out.Im £45 per month short and will be earning £1 per month more in nov 18 than niv 17.So shafted by tesco and usdaw.
I haven't seen anything on usdaw website about this. Mmm I wonder why
Yes Loki I believe you are right, I don't know how management who work Sundays payment has been calculated, but I am sure it is different to ours as all the managers in our store who work a Sunday are getting a payment in October but they know now what they are getting. Oh and I am £68 down for the next 5months. No cushion payment for me so upset and so angry.
Perhaps an open letter to both USDAW and Tesco, signed by the VLH membership.......sent to the newspapers, asking both to explain in REAL and SIMPLE terms, how the calculations are worked....how non premium! Sunday, BH workers are receiving the higher pay rise % and others suffering a huge pay cut for 5 months???
Invite the readers of the paper to analyse the calculations given, ask any maths experts to explain, as we, the GA's can't understand any of it?? Ask for a readers poll if they think we've been stitched up??
We have been stitched up for sure. I dunno for sure about usdaw but usually union will give some donation to labour party.
I read they did before but i cant find the source.
Quitting the union in large scale will impact they revenue, and of course will impact their donation to labour party.
If usdaw regularly give donation to labour, we can give a bit pressure to the party then link it to media, and plus the increase payment of membership will make it more noticeable.
So rather than pushing usdaw that already wont care as long as their pocket are thick, pushing the labour party and media might have much better impact, if they get donation from usdaw of course. They morally have responsibility more even because of the donation. Plus it is near election year. Just need some martyr to do it.
The story will be a promise of payrise within two year than wont affected everyone hence some people wont enjoy it to the fullest. Tesco promise to give cushion payment under usdaw blessing but the doggy calculation left staff with pay cut in 5 month and possibly longer for some other.
If we can find those connection dot to some labour mp from this, we can make it big for sure.
Quote from: his scots tie on 26-07-18, 03:37PM
Quote from: yamieko on 26-07-18, 01:39PM
so what happens if over all you're down 35.74 a month in your wages after the time and a quarter thing and you Havent had a payment. tesco has robbed me of money. I'm at a loss not a gain.
What Tesco are saying and usdaw have agreed is your 12 months earnings from nov 17 to nov 18,will be more than previous 12 months,i.e nov 16 to nov 17.This despite having to have a pay cut for five months.So no pay out.Im £45 per month short and will be earning £1 per month more in nov 18 than niv 17.So shafted by tesco and usdaw.
I'm the same at around £40 worse off every 4 weeks I also reckon my rise will be around £1 in November... no sign of a letter for the cushion payment... serves me right for coming out of the union as soon as I read about the premium decrease last year. Sunday is a fire fight in our store every week always has been and I have always worked a Sunday since the day started at Tosco around 9 years ago. >:( >:( >:(
I thought it was illegal to take a cut in pay for the job your doing at a higher rate if it wasn't voluntary.
Who and how do we lift the lid on this and open a can of worms.
I agree with lucgeo.
However much we shout about this, however much we deem it grossly unfair the powers that be don't give a toss. They have no heart they are businessmen. Because of that the only thing that matters to them is reputation and publicity. Therefore this needs to be brought to the attention of the press with stories of how this is drastically affecting our quality of life and of our families' and how we were misinformed about a cushion payment 12 months ago and how underhand Tescos and USDAW have been. The press hate Tescos as much as we do lets give them a story.
sensible women. give me all the info and I'll do it. i hate Tesco and I work for them.
I also agree with an open letter wouldn't know where to start
I think all the ammunition we need is written on this thread. Especially now that after our first payslip in the new regime has been received and we all know how much down we're going to be. As for the wording on the booklet given 12 months ago I'm afraid I don't have it but many here still do.
Do the press know about this site? A small piece in the press tucked away at the bottom of page 12 will be of no use at all. Big, bold and totally in your face is what's needed and lucgeo suggested - get joe bloggs to look at the calculations and understand them.
Quote from: bestnotputmyrealname on 26-07-18, 10:27AM
Anyone else's USDAW contribution gone up? Looks like membership fees have gone up, even they've got a pay rise, will be leaving the union but I've yet to be able to get hold of the in-store union rep in the last four months to do this
google usdaw website for contact details and make a phone call - they will cancel it
Quote from: T.C.1 on 26-07-18, 11:29AM
O MY DAYS what are the union doing putting up fees the same month where all colleagues are taking a hit from time and half to time and a quatuar!!!! so what I've been told we were overpaid last year so these 5 months are balacling it out!!! Sorry where in the booklet did it say you should save in 16/17 for these 5 months!!! Like I said earlier Sainsburys tried the same thing but got caught out by the Asda take over MP's got involed it cost Sanisburys but they had to revise the pay offer plus the pay out on time and half!!
I was given the same c...p
Quote from: sensible_woman on 26-07-18, 08:09PM
Do the press know about this site? A small piece in the press tucked away at the bottom of page 12 will be of no use at all. Big, bold and totally in your face is what's needed and lucgeo suggested - get joe bloggs to look at the calculations and understand them.
I spoke to a journalist from BBC 5 live the other day and told her my situation - down £16 pw. I also laid out the story of being bullied into signing the new contract. I referred her to this website.
Are they going to keep you informed of their course of action?
Just dropped her another email asking her to review today's posts - let's see
This is so wrong I'm now a lot of money down but not just for 5months until November. I am a long term weekend worker ....even when we finally get the so called pay rise in November I'll still be worse off as I'm one of the minority who was personally told by Pauline foulkes when they took away the double time that I should stay in the union as we the minority long term weekend employees need protecting even more ....funny that ...as it didn't happen and as for my payout it was just under a 100 pound ...never mind the fact I'll still be worse off after November !!! Nice protection hey 😡
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/tesco-announced-105-pay-rise-10677440.amp (https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/tesco-announced-105-pay-rise-10677440.amp)
This article states that those worse off will be given a lump sum of 18 months of the difference in pay. ( like last time ) ...... words fail me!
There's a couple of comments on that mirror asking to help Tesco staff
The article does mention Britain biggest public sector employer wanting to
•help the staff who have worked hard to turn the store around
•help working class parents
The payrise is fabulous for those employees who don't work on Sundays and that is not in dispute on here . What is in dispute is the way the whole thing has been worked out and implemented. The facts are
• All employees who work a Sunday will on paper not enjoy the full 10% pay increase.
• All employees who work on a Sunday are actually taking a substantial pay decrease for 5 months
Yeah Sunday workers taking a substantial pay cut for a few months then after November it's just a pretty bad pay cut. I'm £50 worse off till November then I'll claw back £20 of it
Yeap its s***. The only pay rise that we had its nov 2017 . July n nov 2018 will not cover loss of sunday premium. Atleast not in my case. Even if its one pound less its still LESS.
Its really disapointing and i see future in dark colours.
If in November our payslip shows we are taking home less than we did on our June payday then surely we have cause to question the lack of a cushion payment based on the fact we're not getting one because Tesco have worked out that we should be no worse off in November than we were last month . I can't see how by November I'll make up the £42 I have lost these next 5 months
I will be earning £1 per month more in Nov 18 than Nov 17.Losing £45 per month from now till November.
It an absolute joke every month my money is accounted for to the penny. They've screwed us over for the best part of £100. Off to Aldi for a cheap shop.
How dare the national pay forum and USDAW use colleagues hard earn't Saturday night and Sunday premiums as a bargaining chip where us the members were not consulted!!! Colleagues are not down a couple of quid down there £40-£50 down for nearly half a year!! then after that some are still out of pocket. If it wasn't so ridiculous it would be hysterical but unfortunately it's the sick truth
What would happen if the union had a minority membership of Tesco colleagues, would we then be able to negotiate our own pay deals by means of voting? At the moment non members have to follow suit like lambs to the slaughter.
Regarding the equal pay claim, Aldi and Lidl pay store and DC colleagues the same rate and still remain competitive so Tesco can quite easily do the same. We all have the same union so why the need for different contracts, ask the union to explain that!
Why are the new t**co discount stores colleague's getting £9 an hour? I have been told it is because they won't get the benefits we get ie a discount card, but they will be working in a discount store so they won't need one, I would willingly give up my discount card for a higher hourly rate, as I very rarely shop in t***o also what we get discount on now is getting less and less I can't thinkk of any other benefits we get. I thought they wanted everyone on same rate of pay so it is fair that what I was told when I lost my double time, this lot are just a bunch of scheming deceitful liars. Why did USDAW agree to £9?
Quote from: Blodwyn on 27-07-18, 06:03PM
What would happen if the union had a minority membership of Tesco colleagues, would we then be able to negotiate our own pay deals by means of voting? At the moment non members have to follow suit like lambs to the slaughter.
Regarding the equal pay claim, Aldi and Lidl pay store and DC colleagues the same rate and still remain competitive so Tesco can quite easily do the same. We all have the same union so why the need for different contracts, ask the union to explain that!
The national forum negotiate on the part of non union members
Quote from: bugsbunny on 27-07-18, 06:16PM
Why are the new t**co discount stores colleague's getting £9 an hour? I have been told it is because they won't get the benefits we get ie a discount card, but they will be working in a discount store so they won't need one, I would willingly give up my discount card for a higher hourly rate, as I very rarely shop in t***o also what we get discount on now is getting less and less I can't thinkk of any other benefits we get. I thought they wanted everyone on same rate of pay so it is fair that what I was told when I lost my double time, this lot are just a bunch of scheming deceitful liars. Why did USDAW agree to £9?
Im sure ONE STOP colleagues think same about normal Tesco colleagues as they only get minimum wage in One Stop. They get around this because they dont trade under Tesco name nor will the new stores.
You would think the equal value trend would be all over this disparity like a tsunami, alas the Catalyst of Historical Gender Bias doesn't show up, so not a concern for some, however if ever there was a case for equal value, subsidiaries of the Parent company doing pretty much identical work in identicall conditions driven by the same senior team, yet with significant difference.
To me the lack of interest in this comparative shows the cheap exploitation of legislation as a tool and not fact elsewhere.
Quote from: Expressdude2016 on 27-07-18, 11:33PM
Quote from: bugsbunny on 27-07-18, 06:16PM
Why are the new t**co discount stores colleague's getting £9 an hour? I have been told it is because they won't get the benefits we get ie a discount card, but they will be working in a discount store so they won't need one, I would willingly give up my discount card for a higher hourly rate, as I very rarely shop in t***o also what we get discount on now is getting less and less I can't thinkk of any other benefits we get. I thought they wanted everyone on same rate of pay so it is fair that what I was told when I lost my double time, this lot are just a bunch of scheming deceitful liars. Why did USDAW agree to £9?
Im sure ONE STOP colleagues think same about normal Tesco colleagues as they only get minimum wage in One Stop. They get around this because they dont trade under Tesco name nor will the new stores.
As a point of interest equal value will look past subsidiaries and look at the single source control, as has already been shown elsewhere.
Hi new to the group, needed to vent.
I work nights 10-7, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I remember last November, a few of us were taking the office for an individual meeting regarding when tesco changes Sunday and bank holiday to time and a quarter. I was told and a few others that we are affected and we will be getting a transition payment, that was last November. Ever since then I found it hard to obtain any information on what is going on, right this pay alot of us expected the transition payment to be added, no no one got any, and all of us are worse off, about £60 worse off
Once again I feel let down, lack of communication, can't get no answers from payroll, I want someone to sit down and consult with us at work how this all works and how come no transition payment, as we all read all colleagues affected would get 18 month payment of loss of money
Thanks
Firstly l am a colleague who is losing money due to the change in Sunday Premium and yes l had a letter about a lump sum payment.
I think where some people on here are making a mistake is comparing this months wage to last month's and seeing they are worse off. A few colleagues in my store did this and asked the People Partner. Her response was to check this months wage against last Octobers wage before any changes were made. All the colleagues who were complaining and did this were actually a few pounds better off than they were last October, we are talking £1-£5. People Partners response was, "You have nothing to complain about then."
Then the Store Manager will scratch his head wandering why we have the worst WMTY results in the group once again when they are announced in a few weeks time.
To make it simple it was like this.
When they announced to change premium to 1.1/4, they disguised it with pay rise.
Small illustration about how it works, if you earn less, you will have cushion payment, pay the differences times 18 payday. Not mention the real formula ( hey the real formula still not out, still no one can explain it properly not in general, a formula that anyone can apply and calculate and the result will 100% spot on in all circumstances ) They dont said what will be the comparable data, most people will think it will be on july 2018 data.
After that they start bragging about how we earn more than other retailer, putting staff discount on calculation and bla bla bla,using example of someone with low hour. This is when i think tesco going to be dodgy. They were on and on about it, very suspicious and i was thinking it is kind of a way to make us focus on somewhere else, as most people will know it is so wrong.
Some people who work on sunday will try to calculate will they gonna be better off or worse off.
With any formula they can have, they have first conclusion if they are worse off. But the thought of getting cushion payment make them relax, and this is exactly what dave want, a safe feeling before someone stab you in the back.
When the rough formula finally came out, using nov 2016-2017 against nov 2018-2019 some people start see the blade. But no matter what we did nothing will change. Yesterday when i start working, some people already in a bad mood, they all work on sunday and just realized they had pay cut, significant enough. And feel so betrayed of this, even i explain to them ages ago they will have pay cut.
In my experience, a technique like this is a low common technique used by dangerous people who focus on what they want the most regardless.
One thing for sure for this type of person, it will happen again, and it will be worse each time.
Judging from how retail operate in here and how much the bosses earn, the dump sinking ship strategy come in mind often. We saw so many bosses with really high earning while the company goes to administration really soon. And i have no doubt it might happened in tesco.
Business strategy will be business strategy. Those all 5 management skill will always needed, and effectiveness and efficiency will be the main factor, while the supporter will be team work. There will no team work when bosses earn more because they can cut people on the bottom. I cant seen any tangible strategy come out from tesco, not as sad as before but still not good either.
So we will see what is happen next, give more room of your back, to be stabbed.
Yes the pay deal is a lot of bull with living costs on rise but what is even more infuriating is daves underhand tactics. It is interesting reading about his mate Charles green or the bhs destroyer. Then one of his latest additions was someone who was in charge of carillon and made a lot of bad decisions making it go tits up.
Zerohero, I am in the same position, same hours but Friday start, and until this sight cast the seeds of doubt, I thought if you lose double-time (18mths comp.=£2,700) therefore loosing 1/2 to 1/4 would pay £1,350. But we were hoodwinked by Tesco using a comparison as a template that meant we were never to be compensated. Using an old wage structure(2016/17) . as comparison to a future wage structure, yet to happen, is how we fell for it, compare historic wage to future wage, thanks Udasw for letting that go! Weakest union ever. They need to tell night and weekend workers the truth, less percentage increase than 10.5% that was portrayed for everyone by Tesco. I also believe it was deliberately made evasive and " muddy waters " so that there would be little fuss when they announced this pay deal in 2017. Those who work days Mon/Sat reap the benefits of this 2year pay-rise, while we who work the difficult hours are stripped of our terms and conditions to help the wage budget, and will not come near the 10.5% wage increase that some will get. Cheers Usdaw for your representation of MOST of your members!! Disgraceful, complicit and immoral spring to mind!
So now worse off due to pay cut so will do as little as possible .
I am no historian of workers rights and workers unions, but has this ever happened before, where a union agrees a pay deal that benefits most of its members to the detriment of others at the bidding of the main employer? From the little I know looking back, I couldn't see the miners or Shipbilders Unions accepting lesser t's & c,s'. at the expense of their fellow workers in an "I'm alright Jack" type
deal. Anyone know of a worse deal agreed by a union in the last 150years?
It was under handed technique used, basically our bonus was a kick in the teeth and to kick us when we were down we get a pay cut and then we might be better off in November by a couple of quid... Doesn't matter if the staff that work the shifts affected get shafted once again... Staff moral is a all time low, Usdaw are on Tesco side they don't represent the workers, I had no say of the payrise or anything else on the matter, why they hell do I pay £6 a month to them for? I would have to change my everyday living because of this pay cut as I rely on every pound earned, not only they have cut the over time as they don't have the budget, even though the shop I work makes loads
However it seems acceptable to over order things and see it thrown away as waste.....
Can someone else explain how come on my payslip I have noticed my Sunday premiums change every pay day??? They flutter around from £60-120 each month, even though I do the same shifts week in week out
The sentence to look at in the previous post is 'what the he'll do I pay them £6 a month for. You tell me. If your still paying then what for? Cancel your subscription.
So is the WMTY widely promoted, focused in your store?? Are there posters up?? Very few colleagues in my store are aware of it happening at this time?? A night manager from another store in our group has been "advised" by her SM to try and keep it quiet from the night team, as the store won't get a green!! (More like SM wont get big fat bonus) :-X :-X
Well i emailed the sun mirror and independent and asking them to look at this site I hope some does and I hope some one helps us understand what the f*** has gone on
It is promoted in our store posters are up next to clock machine. Our place should not get a green due to staff morale and issues people have had with the TMs. Think the TMs know what's going to happen and are bracing themselves for the backlash from our SM. The way some TMs have been treating GAs over the last year has been abysmal and this should be recorded so the SM knows the bigger picture.
Exactly the same in my store Greengrocer.
I'm thinking of opting out of Sunday's now and hopefully pick some hours up elsewhere, I think the quarter hour premium will go in 2020. Does anyone know if I I did opt out would I need to pay back my £100 cushion payment ?
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 28-07-18, 01:56PM
It is promoted in our store posters are up next to clock machine. Our place should not get a green due to staff morale and issues people have had with the TMs. Think the TMs know what's going to happen and are bracing themselves for the backlash from our SM. The way some TMs have been treating GAs over the last year has been abysmal and this should be recorded so the SM knows the bigger picture.
Everyone is expecting a poor wmty result,so it will be taken into consideration at reviews etc. There will be no backlash, no angry sms etc.
That's all rubbish, no angry SM'S facing the backlash over the premium? You are kidding,
Yea, somehow i doubt i'll be better off in November considering i've lost about 85 quid. But Tosco seem to think i'll get it back somehow since i didnt get jack s*** for it.
Quote from: MachiavelliQ on 29-07-18, 09:27AM
Yea, somehow i doubt i'll be better off in November considering i've lost about 85 quid. But Tosco seem to think i'll get it back somehow since i didnt get jack s*** for it.
same here... not as much but, like, even if I put the evil tesco hat on and work it out their way, adding 3% to my post-July pay still leaves me under so I should've got a transition payment either way. In other words this whole thing is wrong on pretty much every level it can be lol
When people are doing their calculations remember Tesco are using pre November 2017 pay increase so you have to look at what you earned in October 2017 then compare it to what you will earn in November 2018 after the final 3% increase. That's why there have been no pay outs.
They took the quarter Sunday we are now not getting minus the full pay increase 10.5%. After that they then took subtracted any holidays you had/sickness for the year 2016/17 and other things. Which is why so many of us who should have got a pay out but didn't. Even though on our Tesco it says none of that. >:(
Yes Claden but how much more are they earning? I will be earning £1per month more in Nov 18 than in Nov 17, wont get a payout because of that,yet still have to have a five month pay cut of £45 per month.
So £45 down for 5 months = £225. A comparative increase of £1 per month between Nov 17 and Nov 18.
That means it will be 225 months before you see no personal loss overall because for that time the extra £1 is compensating your previous loss, yet of course during this time you in reality you see no % award in comparison with other workers who only see an increase.
Am I understanding it correctly?
If so
I have to be honest I would be ashamed to be linked to any process that agreed to such a method.
Full time GA working 36.5 hours contracted to Sundays in Nov 18 will earn £1292.47 as opposed to £1291.22 in Nov 17 a difference of .£1.25 better of but in July for five months will lose £36.79. I am £45 down an earning an extra £1 per month Nov 18 than Nov 17.
The same GA will get £36.84 back in Novembers pay rise 5p more than what he is losing in july,£36.79, for 5 months.
Quote from: Duracell on 29-07-18, 11:46AM
So £45 down for 5 months = £225. A comparative increase of £1 per month between Nov 17 and Nov 18.
That means it will be 225 months before you see no personal loss overall because for that time the extra £1 is compensating your previous loss, yet of course during this time you in reality you see no % award in comparison with other workers who only see an increase.
Am I understanding it correctly?
If so
I have to be honest I would be ashamed to be linked to any process that agreed to such a method.
So on that basis, would you cease being a member?
I thought retail had a formula or basic principle for working out monetary loss? Yet of course it will reflect on and compare the before and after earnings, so even though historically it's a principle agreed for imediate change with probably a Protecten period for monetary loss to then extend the transition from what was orginally accepted as imediate to a considerable period of time where during that time there is significant monetary loss is quite an abuse and stretch of the original principle.
Surely it has to be argued when the original principle of a before and after comparison was agreed the belief was the change would be imediate and not over a considerable amount of time than incurs un accounted monetary loss, the principle itself was agreed to capture ANY loss of earnings, to manipulate that principle to timeframes that Basicly ignore loss of earnings goes against the original principle agreement, doesn't it?
Surely now the "Partnership Agreements" Pay review process is changing or at least manipulating established consultative principles. Although "The Partnership Agreement" and the Pay Review Process has great scope ( too much in the opinion of most) where it becomes so different to the original principles that staff believed they were agreeing to, then a call for an overall Review is justified.
"The Partnership Agreement" and the Pay review process within thrives on and recognisises Moving with Modern times as a principle, yet it fails to recognise that it's effects on staff, is moving away from original the principles and the needs of said staff.
So in simple terms Staff signed upto and agreed "The Partnership Agreement" for the principles of achieving A B and C, but it now has a X Y Z effect, infringing on principles and concepts that staff did not believe to be conceding to in the original mandate of Agreement, resulting in " we didn't sign up for this".
Reason and Justification to review the process and at least bring it up to date and set some limitations to avoid manipulation of the original belief of consent, principles and overall ideology of purpose.
Is there anyone in charge of all the unions if so we should complain to them and ask them to look into why they are not doing what we used to pay for.
Just popped into my store to grab some bits. It was very busy, store's a total mess, shelves empty, no staff on the shop floor, some have opted out of Sunday since premium cut, whilst others are now not willing to sacrifice valuable family time for O.T. at time & a quarter.
It was never like this before premium cut.
Glad to see us staff aren't the only ones now losing out!!
It's a shame the toffs in their ivory towers will never get to hear or see it in plain sight as they enjoy there Sunday's off with their families.
If the store was very busy then the customers can't be too bothered about the state of the place
After our pay rise in Nov our wage is getting frozen until 2020. Our Sunday time and a quarter is protected until then and then it will go to time. The only reason we will be getting a pay rise in 2020 is because minimum wage is going up to £10 an hour and we will have to go through all of this again.
Who said our pay ia getting frozen till 2020 ? We will be getting another pay rise next year,premiums wont change again untill at least 2020.
The union in my store told all of us we are getting our pay froze until 2020. He could be wrong. I will check with him the next time I see him again.
Quote from: Loki on 29-07-18, 01:08PM
Quote from: Duracell on 29-07-18, 11:46AM
So £45 down for 5 months = £225. A comparative increase of £1 per month between Nov 17 and Nov 18.
That means it will be 225 months before you see no personal loss overall because for that time the extra £1 is compensating your previous loss, yet of course during this time you in reality you see no % award in comparison with other workers who only see an increase.
Am I understanding it correctly?
If so
I have to be honest I would be ashamed to be linked to any process that agreed to such a method.
So on that basis, would you cease being a member?
Sorry I missed this post and Question.
Unfortunately there is no simple answer.
If it were my negotiating group ... the answer would be yes, but AFTER I had done everything I could by any means I could to rectify the many issues involved.
If you are asking would I cease being a member on the basis of as things are, involved with a different negotiating group and process, that is still reasonably fair and constructive and still reliant on member approval (not rubbing it in you have asked my opinion which I am trying to explain) then the answer is no, I will not be ceasing to be a member, because to me such an action will only facilitate much of the same for our devision.
It may seem a selfish attitude but we still have the right to deny and appose, to currently leave the union being in that position, gives the ability to resist away, I'm a very big advocate of you in retail regaining this position having your indivual say, so it would be foolish for me to hand over my individual ability to resist by leaving the union and not having the X in the box whilst the opportunity still exists for us to do so.
Because there is no doubt in my mind ( my opinion and belief ) that ability to put an X in the box is going to be Crucial in the not to distant future. Resistance may been seen as futile but I don't think Anyone can argue, the difference between having a say and not having a say and the consequence of the later is blindingly obvious.
Whilst I do not agree with the underlying foundation of the current claim against the company, and believe equal value alone should not establish pay rates. I really do sincerely hope that the process does highlight your issues around the Partnership and don't get lost and overlooked because of the overall foundation of the claim.
Without going on and on, one of the things I find very odd, at a time when the focus and reasoning is the benefit of the majority, the ability to vote on the change of pay and condition seems on the face of it is limited to a minority, Distribution and Ireland, so in real terms in the present time with the current supported method of reasoning " The Partnership Agreement " and many process within it, disadvantage the MAJORITY in the context of having an individual say in Consultative issues.
So, Further Justification apart from others above by means of Modern thinking (Favouring the Majority), to review and at least ammend "The Partnership Agreement to be fairer so at least the Majority are not disadvantaged when it comes to "The statutory right" to Democraticly agree or disagree to change.
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:37PM
After our pay rise in Nov our wage is getting frozen until 2020. Our Sunday time and a quarter is protected until then and then it will go to time. The only reason we will be getting a pay rise in 2020 is because minimum wage is going up to £10 an hour and we will have to go through all of this again.
£9 per hour from 2020
Quote from: madness on 29-07-18, 04:51PM
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:37PM
After our pay rise in Nov our wage is getting frozen until 2020. Our Sunday time and a quarter is protected until then and then it will go to time. The only reason we will be getting a pay rise in 2020 is because minimum wage is going up to £10 an hour and we will have to go through all of this again.
£9 per hour from 2020
Sorry my bad :)
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:42PM
The union in my store told all of us we are getting our pay froze until 2020. He could be wrong. I will check with him the next time I see him again.
They're incorrect. Negotiations ( if you can call them that ) for next years pay "deal" will go ahead shortly.
Night premiums have been frozen for the current pay deal.
It's the Sun and BH premiums that will be reviewed in 2020 at the earliest and will remain at time and quarter until then.
Quote from: Loki on 29-07-18, 04:58PM
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:42PM
The union in my store told all of us we are getting our pay froze until 2020. He could be wrong. I will check with him the next time I see him again.
They're incorrect. Negotiations ( if you can call them that ) for next years pay "deal" will go ahead shortly.
Night premiums have been frozen for the current pay deal.
It's the Sun and BH premiums that will be reviewed in 2020 at the earliest and will remain at time and quarter until then.
Thanx. That's good to know I think. He did say he struggled to get any information at all. So maybe it was miscommunication. Wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 05:03PM
He did say he struggled to get any information at all.
This seems to be the common thread. I was saying to someone yesterday it's like that Wall-Mart episode of South Park where the company is just this entity that nobody can reason with lol
Been invited to a meeting with the CFC manager on Wednesday case I was off sick yesterday and I'm on a final warning for absence. So getting the sack on Wednesday. Glad I'm leaving the place and I have other work . I wish you all well. goodbye and God bless.
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well, seems some store managers are meeting with colleagues around areas to "put your concerns at ease, if you have any questions you'd like to ask, then please ask them when your SM is on *****"
so, anyone got any questions to be asked? ours is fairly soon, but i wanna see what they've been given as their briefing, as we were told it's only just been handed down to them. lol.
The pay rise is supposed to be Transparent,fair,sustainable and morally right.In November 2018 ,after 3% pay rise,a full time GA will be earning £1.25per month more than in Nov 17,but they will have to have a 5 month pay cut of approx £38 from july to nov without any cushion payment.Is thatTransparent? Fair ? Sustainable? Morally right? Answers on a postcard to drastic dave.
So how many of us have contacted the papers, news channels etc to ask them to highlight this??? I have contacted a newspaper and news channel last week, pleading with them to look into this thread, and highlight how our colleagues are taking a pay cut for the next five months, and living on the breadline.....so far nothing ??? ??? Nothing....no reply.....no follow up....sweet Fanny Adams ....perhaps the local PM is the next contact ??
sfo.....I hope you don't get sacked :'( :'(
Thank you but I'm going to resign anyway I'm not good at working with liars
Why are you on final written for sya?
By leaving you are letting the liars win. Best to stay and f*** them off if you can.
Had a bit of sciatica and recently kicked off about the pay cut so probably wasn't going to go down well lwhen I got a migraine yesterday
Quote from: lucgeo on 29-07-18, 08:02PM
So how many of us have contacted the papers, news channels etc to ask them to highlight this??? I have contacted a newspaper and news channel last week, pleading with them to look into this thread, and highlight how our colleagues are taking a pay cut for the next five months, and living on the breadline.....so far nothing ??? ??? Nothing....no reply.....no follow up....sweet Fanny Adams ....perhaps the local PM is the next contact ??
Who have you actually contacted? I think some of the Guardian columnists might be your best bet - Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee, John Harris etc
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 29-07-18, 08:23PM
By leaving you are letting the liars win. Best to stay and f*** them off if you can.
I don't often agree with what you post.. but on this occasion you are on the money. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
9 hour shift
7.5 hrs working
June@ T&H £30.07 per sunday
July, if @ T&H £30.67 per Sunday
July@ T&Q = £15.33 * 20 Sundays between 1st July and 18th November = loss of £306.60
If the premium stayed at T&H, compared to June, we would have an EXTRA 60p per Sunday from the 1st July rising 30p on 18th Nov so an eventual total of 90p per week, wow, we would have been bleeding them dry!
So, we are losing £14.29 per week comparing what were getting in June to the final rise in Nov and they have helped themselves to £306.60 out of our wage packet before giving us the final pay rise on Nov 18th.
Is this correct or have made a mistake along the lines?
Quote from: fatboy on 29-07-18, 04:23PM
If the store was very busy then the customers can't be too bothered about the state of the place
They will be if it continues & they can't get what they want regularly on a Sunday.
Give it time.
Quote from: lucgeo on 29-07-18, 08:02PM
So how many of us have contacted the papers, news channels etc to ask them to highlight this???
I had a twitter thread* written and ready to post on wednesday night (summarising most of what I've written here) when the payslips went up but I kinda chickened out, cos I'm officially involved in the Leigh Day case, feels like I should be careful what I say under my real name** as that long game is worth a lot more than this. But I keep trying to edit it down and remove the angrier/more libellous aspects. There have been people saying stuff about it on Twitter though, and I've favourited every one I've seen, just keep making noise in whatever way you can as long as it's safe, even if you feel like you're repeating yourself or someone tells you you are, until this is fixed, keep on.
(*I don't have a huge amount of followers but I have a handful of big ones and was basically gonna appeal to everyone and maybe even @ a few other accounts that have previously interacted me like if you ever RT anything of mine RT this)
(**and I wouldn't post what I've written under an anonymous name before you ask because I think that would be a waste.)
Quote from: sfo on 29-07-18, 08:42PM
Had a bit of sciatica and recently kicked off about the pay cut so probably wasn't going to go down well lwhen I got a migraine yesterday
Well you can always do what a bloke in our store did. He was called in for the same reason, brought him in for his final meeting and the bloke turned around and said if he comes in and faints on the floor he will sue them. Went sick again the next day with no repercussions....Sue seems to be a magical word.
I would/will be very surprised if any Newspaper published an in depth article about how we have been given this pay cut or any other major negative articles because of the amount of money that is spent on advertising in them!
Oh the Irony - got this from USDAW recently - bit late for those of us you didn't help.
Cost of Living Survey
Dear Member,
From the conversations I've had with Usdaw members up and down the country, I know that many are struggling to make ends meet. Significant price rises in essential items such as energy, food and rent have made it increasingly difficult for a lot of households to keep on top of their finances.
Usdaw plans to run a campaign for:
• Minimum pay of £10 per hour
• Minimum contracts of 16 hours, for those who want them
• The right to an employment contract that reflects your normal hours of work
To assist us in shaping the most effective campaign, we need to hear your views and experiences.
More bullshite.
USDAW campaigning for £10 per hour? They cant even negotiate you not having to have a 5 month pay cut!!!!
They couldn't even negotiate some of us being allowed to stay on the same wage for 5 month.
Well i know in our store that all the managers are getting money ranging from £300 to £1000, they say it is cos they were not told about the changes, even thought they told us. Nearly everyone in our store can not work out how they think we are better off, total rip off Tesco
Yep same in my store. Why is it all the managers getting it are
Managers having it calculated a different way to us?
About right keep managers happy with a payout but ga can go without as they dont matter
Maybe scared that with the recent cull of managers and what I believe is a shortage of new ones coming through they are trying to hold onto them?
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:53PM
Quote from: madness on 29-07-18, 04:51PM
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:37PM
After our pay rise in Nov our wage is getting frozen until 2020. Our Sunday time and a quarter is protected until then and then it will go to time. The only reason we will be getting a pay rise in 2020 is because minimum wage is going up to £10 an hour and we will have to go through all of this again.
£9 per hour from 2020
Sorry my bad :)
More likely £8.56 in 2020. It's 5% increase in 2019 & 2020.
Its £8.42 from November a 5% pay rise in 2019 will take it to £8.64.Cant see us getting 5% next year,after all staff contracted to sundays have saw there earnings go up 2.1 % in FOUR years.
Quote from: his scots tie on 30-07-18, 11:03PM
Its £8.42 from November a 5% pay rise in 2019 will take it to £8.64.Cant see us getting 5% next year,after all staff contracted to sundays have saw there earnings go up 2.1 % in FOUR years.
Must have differant pay rates in differant stores as it £8.86 for a GA in my store as of this month
Do you get location pay?
Maybe raise it to over £9 in November 2019 in preparation for the minimum wage going up to £9 in April 2020. Think the £9 may have been revised downward to 8.75 though. Still could see us hitting £9 late 2019, for various reasons, Tesco will always pay a little more than minimum wage.
Revised downwards to £8.75 because of industry leaders like Dave Lewis complaining about rising costs. Couldn't the cut their bonuses a bit?
Quote from: bugsbunny on 31-07-18, 12:04AM
Do you get location pay?
Yes. We got nothing for lossing double time becouse of it, My "pay rise" then was less than £4 a week >:D
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Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:53PM
Quote from: madness on 29-07-18, 04:51PM
Quote from: Nuisance on 29-07-18, 04:37PM
After our pay rise in Nov our wage is getting frozen until 2020. Our Sunday time and a quarter is protected until then and then it will go to time. The only reason we will be getting a pay rise in 2020 is because minimum wage is going up to £10 an hour and we will have to go through all of this again.
£9 per hour from 2020
Sorry my bad :)
More likely £8.56 in 2020. It's 5% increase in 2019 & 2020.
In the leaflet we were given for the pay review it states that Sundays and bank holiday premiums will not be reviewed again until 2020 at the earliest and in small print underneath it states, subject to business performance or any change in legislation.
It is not guaranteed or protected, just like everything else with regard to Tesco.
Quote from: his scots tie on 30-07-18, 11:03PM
Its £8.42 from November a 5% pay rise in 2019 will take it to £8.64.Cant see us getting 5% next year,after all staff contracted to sundays have saw there earnings go up 2.1 % in FOUR years.
£8.42 + 5% would equate to £8.84 (not £8.64)
:thumbup:
It's a month today since the Sunday premium was reduced by half to £1.81 an hour. This bitter pill to Sunday workers was delivered as part of 'Our biggest ever pay award' just one of the many sweeping statements on the glossy leaflet announcing the 'three separate increases'
I keep reading this leaflet over and over again and note that in the paragraph titled 'premium' the word 'change' not 'reduce' was used and also this sentence 'The payroll savings will be reinvested in July 2018 to increase hourly rates by 16p, as shown on page five' .... turn to page 5 and nowhere is the reduction factored into the soaring arrow which stretches across two pages depicting the three increases. The next paragraph titled 'Supporting colleagues affected by premium changes' the first sentence reads 'All colleagues will benefit from a significantly higher hourly rate' before explaining about the 'lump sum transition payment ' The pictures used are entirely of people with smiling faces.
I'm not smiling and I feel very let down because the reality for me,like many others, is that on paper I may have received the increases in pay rate however with the premium slashed in half I am currently £40 worse off a month until November when I will be ltereally a few pennies better off. I feel sold down the river.
Hi, long time reader but first time commenting.
My SM was at a meeting yesterday where our pay cut was brought up and discussed at length. Alot of SM's in my region are unhappy with whats happened, lack of open and honest communication to all of us and having to be put in uncomfortable situations due to this stealth cut.
From what they've been told it's currently being looked into by the Leadership People Team. They've got alot of examples of the pay cuts we're taking between july and november and for others even after that (when compared to our wage at £8.02 with time and a half)
If anything will change or if there will be some form of compensation is yet to be seen but atleast our voices are being heard.
Re the above post, i hope we do get compenstated or bought out fairly from our time and a half contracts as we were when premium went from double to time and a half , then all Sunday workers would recieve a fair and just lump sum for 18 months of the difference regardless of and unconnected with any pay rate rises. Because then we Sunday workers would stand equally with our non Sunday working colleagues all equally enjoying the pay rate rises in full...... that would be my wish, the above would be transparent fair and just.
tosco fair and just ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pedroximenez, not everyone was "bought out" of their double time contract. Some of us not contracted but still rota'd to do Sundays didn't get a payment.
The news I have is more in the way of the Union trying to distract from their poor performance around this.
There is floating about the minutes from the pay review meeting with pauline faulkes and Tesco where it was initially outlined what Tesco wanted.
Tesco tell the Union they want all premiums gone all of them the nights the sunday time and a half everything down to bare time, a bit of to-ing and fro-ing goes on until the time and a quarter is discussed with the Tesco person saying anyone who loses money will be compensated and with that pauline faulkes agrees, Tesco never mention the absolute underhand sneaky and immoral way they intend to work it out so they can pay the least amount humanly possible and still be seen to be paying out but also the union just accepts at face value what Tesco says without seeing any detailed plans about how its going to be put into practice.
Thats why we are in this situation and thats why the majority of staff including managers thought anyone working sundays would get some cash.
What sort of Union and not only the union but the top dog just goes 'Yea sounds great' then doesnt ask any more questions when something is offered?
Tell you what though it also tells us there will be no premiums after 2020.
Quote from: dizzy_1 on 01-08-18, 03:16PM
Pedroximenez, not everyone was "bought out" of their double time contract. Some of us not contracted but still rota'd to do Sundays didn't get a payment.
Sorry my mistake, , assumed everyone who regularly worked Sundays got a payout, it must have only been contracted staff which seems very unfair if you have regularly worked them.
Quote from: Martyness on 01-08-18, 08:27AM
Hi, long time reader but first time commenting.
My SM was at a meeting yesterday where our pay cut was brought up and discussed at length. Alot of SM's in my region are unhappy with whats happened, lack of open and honest communication to all of us and having to be put in uncomfortable situations due to this stealth cut.
From what they've been told it's currently being looked into by the Leadership People Team. They've got alot of examples of the pay cuts we're taking between july and november and for others even after that (when compared to our wage at £8.02 with time and a half)
If anything will change or if there will be some form of compensation is yet to be seen but atleast our voices are being heard.
That's good to know hopefully they enjoyed the complementary tea, scones and ar**h*le. What the f*** is there to discuss in length you don't need to be Einstein to prove people will lose money for months out of this taking years to recoup the losses. Maybe they just made the c**k decision to keep the LPT in a job.
To be honest my SM has been nothing but open and honest with how disgusted he feels about the whole situation we've all been put in and I can't fault them as at the end of the day its not their fault.
The same with all store managers in my group. I understand from our point of view it doesnt need discussed at length because we know we've been screwed but for the store managers who had been left in the dark and dupped into misleading us into thinking there would be some form of compensation there is a serious discussion to be had over Tesco's handling of the whole situation and how bad, upset off, scammed us colleague feel about this stealthy pay cut.
Quote from: lackofinterest on 01-08-18, 01:16PM
tosco fair and just ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Union probably got a nice dontations to keep.their mouths shut about the pay cut and non pay out.
So I've just emailed the Union with my wish to terminate my membership (should have done it years ago) with this....Hi, I'd like to leave the USDAW Union with immediate effect. My reason is because of the poor negotiation with Tesco with regards to the cut in Sunday premium. No compensation for Sunday workers. You basically managed to negotiate many of us a pay cut whilst charging £6.20 a month for the privilege. So, cancelling my membership to Usdaw will at least give me back £6.20 of what I've lost in my monthly pay packet.
By doing this, and relitterating to my manger that this is why he no longer has cover on Sundays each time he moans about it, is about as much as I, as an individual, can do.
Was told yesterday that Tesco have done a deal with usdaw to increase the Sunday opt out notice from 4 weeks to 12 weeks. Hope all you union members were consulted on this.
Is it not a government law that you have 4 weeks notice to opt out.
That's what I thought unless they had written to you informing of your right to opt out . Manager told me yesterday that Tesco have done a deal with Pauline foulkes to get round it. Whether it's legal or not I don't know
Should be 12 weeks notice to opt out of sundays but usdaw have agreed with Tesco that only 4 weeks notice is needed to opt out
I think this has changed in the last week
Also look at yougov site opting out of Sunday
Phone Leigh Day or ACAS and ask them
Doesn't affect me I opted out a month ago .my post was purely for information
Typical being shafted again not happy taking our money now want to change the rules when it don't suit them.
Sunday opt-out thread (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16624.msg216933#msg216933)
8-) 8-)
Quote from: his scots tie on 02-08-18, 01:14PM
Should be 12 weeks notice to opt out of sundays but usdaw have agreed with Tesco that only 4 weeks notice is needed to opt out
Its 12 weeks unless you are not informed about your right to opt out at the start of your employment on a sunday then it is 4 weeks. Thats on the .gov website I linked earlier in the thread.
So regardless of what the union negotiate its legislation.
Its 4 weeks unless something has changed in a week. As the opt in opt out form has been given to a few staff members both retail perm and flexi to sign again since this whole pay deal cut came to light.
The 4 weeks notice is stated on the form.
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Quote from: his scots tie on 02-08-18, 01:14PM
Should be 12 weeks notice to opt out of sundays but usdaw have agreed with Tesco that only 4 weeks notice is needed to opt out
Its 12 weeks unless you are not informed about your right to opt out at the start of your employment on a sunday then it is 4 weeks. Thats on the .gov website I linked earlier in the thread.
So regardless of what the union negotiate its legislation.
Indeed. However, only 4 weeks notice is required for Tesco employees. This has been agreed with the Union so that is all that is required instead of waiting 12 weeks.
Employment Legislation is there to protect employees regarding all matters of employment. If a company agrees to provide that which exceeds the minimum requirements regarding legislation ie notice periods, representation during investigatory stage, then that is what one goes by.
Not rocket science.
Call me sceptical but usually T are quite informed and preemptive, if you look at most adjustments that seem to offer more, very often it is a preemptive shift to what they will inevitably have to give anyway. Just curious and sceptical that it may come anyway.
Spare a thought with all that is going on! Or is it a pay off for the Pay fiasco, a weak one but you know what they are like.
You referring to the living wage come 2020?
I suspect ( based on history of how they do things) that the statutory notification of opt out may be reduced. ( presuming I understand the content of the previous posts).
Usaually when I see what appears to be a plus to me I am sceptical for up to 12 months for legislation to award it anyway, but if T can use an early change and spun it to their advantage they will, usually at a time they are kicking you in the nuts.
So is the 4 weeks over and above the minimum new or established if it's new, then it is no coincidence to me it comes with a shafting regarding Sundays and I wouldn't be at all suprised if it becomes mandatory soon.
Quote from: Loki on 02-08-18, 05:22PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 02-08-18, 04:13PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 02-08-18, 01:14PM
Should be 12 weeks notice to opt out of sundays but usdaw have agreed with Tesco that only 4 weeks notice is needed to opt out
Its 12 weeks unless you are not informed about your right to opt out at the start of your employment on a sunday then it is 4 weeks. Thats on the .gov website I linked earlier in the thread.
So regardless of what the union negotiate its legislation.
Indeed. However, only 4 weeks notice is required for Tesco employees. This has been agreed with the Union so that is all that is required instead of waiting 12 weeks.
Employment Legislation is there to protect employees regarding all matters of employment. If a company agrees to provide that which exceeds the minimum requirements regarding legislation ie notice periods, representation during investigatory stage, then that is what one goes by.
Not rocket science.
That probably means they didnt bother to inform anyone of their right to opt out of sunday working to get round the 4 week rule because they were happy to allow it, So I would assume that everyone affected can still stop sunday working with only 4 weeks notice as per regulations.
I had a little chuckle to myself watching the BBC news at 6 this evening when the reporter was pontificating on how someone with an average mortgage of £112,000 would be paying £14 per month more because of the 0.25% interest rate rise and how would they be able to afford the extra on their monthly outgoings....whilst also thinking to myself how l have had an alleged 10% plus pay rise and find myself over £40 worse off every 4 weeks..it's funny old world ain't it :question: :question: :question: :question: ;) ;) ;)
Mexico "Funny" isnt strong enough a word
Quote from: Martyness on 01-08-18, 08:27AM
Hi, long time reader but first time commenting.
My SM was at a meeting yesterday where our pay cut was brought up and discussed at length. Alot of SM's in my region are unhappy with whats happened, lack of open and honest communication to all of us and having to be put in uncomfortable situations due to this stealth cut.
From what they've been told it's currently being looked into by the Leadership People Team. They've got alot of examples of the pay cuts we're taking between july and november and for others even after that (when compared to our wage at £8.02 with time and a half)
If anything will change or if there will be some form of compensation is yet to be seen but atleast our voices are being heard.
What conclusion have the Leadership People Team come to.? Or are they all to busy filling up toilet rolls.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 02-08-18, 06:56PM
That probably means they didnt bother to inform anyone of their right to opt out of sunday working to get round the 4 week rule because they were happy to allow it, So I would assume that everyone affected can still stop sunday working with only 4 weeks notice as per regulations.
We were informed at induction when I started. Sunday opt out has always been there for employees to read via Partnership Agreement and policy, old and new. It's always been 4 weeks and has always been made clear as per the old opt out forms and new. It's nothing new my friend and was there under the old Partnership Agreement.
In fact, if you wish to opt out prior to the 4 week notice period and your manager agrees, then you can.
Like I said, Nothing new.
Quote from: Duracell on 02-08-18, 06:37PM
I suspect ( based on history of how they do things) that the statutory notification of opt out may be reduced. ( presuming I understand the content of the previous posts).
Usaually when I see what appears to be a plus to me I am sceptical for up to 12 months for legislation to award it anyway, but if T can use an early change and spun it to their advantage they will, usually at a time they are kicking you in the nuts.
So is the 4 weeks over and above the minimum new or established if it's new, then it is no coincidence to me it comes with a shafting regarding Sundays and I wouldn't be at all suprised if it becomes mandatory soon.
It's nothing new Duracell. Some people are making a mountain out of a molehill
When something is implemented within the company and members clearly express concern and ask questions, usually Usdaw would send Reps (at the very least) FAQ's to relay to members.
It comes as no surprise that on this occasion, with regards to the Sunday/BH premium cuts, in particular the 5 month gap, they choose to remain silent.
The only response they have provided individual emails with is a cut and paste exercise from previous announcements to do with the pay deal.
Their silence is deafening.
Why is anybody surprised with usdaw guys! Vote with your feet and leave the union! Absolute tripe they are anyway!
Most people pay the union about £100 a year! Surely you could better spend this money cancel your membership now
I spoke to my manager who I knew wouldn't be any use, asked her to bring the issue up with regional HR who just said it was a done deal that the union had signed off. Was told by the union to speak to employee union rep which I have and said I want a face to face meeting with the union. I also mentioned that I would take it to the papers and wondered about doing a silent protest outside a superstore - that way might get some tv exposure?!
Also wondered about going to the Manchester Law firm who are dealing with the Tesco equal pay issue? Any thoughts?
What about TillyTuttles??
The amount of lies being told by management is unbelievable....
Store manager did a team 5 with everyone and he said he's checked about and found staff in other stores and hasn't heard of any problems with the pay rise from staff he said it's just our store that's not happy with it! And there's not a problem, and not to worry about it
In my store, no one has opted out, a couple of managers have as the head count is reducing rapidly and it's more placements than managers, and the sm quoted everyone will have to do it so they opted out and to be honest why not.
Some of the staff have queried said its unfair but they need whatever overtime they need so will take it even at single time, so it's business as usual.
We all agree it's not right or fair or transparent...
The legality of a pay cut/reduction - however you want to word it - those of us that are worse off!
I also wonder,for those in the union, how many would Sunday workers affected would support strike action? An old fashioned approach and you usually have the union with you but how bad would it look on the union if we called for it? I know my store would be hard pushed to get cover on a Sunday if we all walked out - especially now pay is down to time and a quarter - which other members of staff are going to cover? 🤣 It would hit our store massively as it's the biggest earning day!
If called I would strike without a moments hesitation. I fear there are few of us who think like that though.
Usdaw wouldn't back it simply because they endorsed the damn stitch up to begin with
Today train drivers on northern rail made themselves unavailable for work. Up to 80% of staff had the day off, maybe this is the way to deal with the present situation.
Helpisontheway
An unofficial strike now and then would be good.
There would certainly be a case to present to mr Lewis and co if every second collegue was on a final warning for attendance.
Even turn in and have a work slow down. Boring as f*** but maybe they would start to see the bigger picture of annoying minions. Our TMs would support.
I know Usdaw wouldn't back it but it might be the frightener they need for going along with it in the first place. I think it would shock Tesco and the public - I mean when did supermarket employees last strike? Never? The bad PR the company would get - especially with their share price on the up. Bad for business if we even talk about doing such a thing and surely Mr Lewis would want to try and protect that? If there are people out there that might support it then I think it's worth taking to Usdaw for discussion and we're within our rights, as union and non-union members, to ask for a ballot.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 05-08-18, 09:14PM
Helpisontheway
An unofficial strike now and then would be good.
There would certainly be a case to present to mr Lewis and co if every second collegue was on a final warning for attendance.
Even turn in and have a work slow down. Boring as f*** but maybe they would start to see the bigger picture of annoying minions. Our TMs would support.
Unofficial Industrial action would lead to dismissal let alone a final written.
TillyTuttles
Non union members wouldn't be balloted
I know it's got to be official and through a ballot by the union for union members but if successful then both union and non-union can then join in the industrial action without repercussion. Or if there is repercussion then can be taken as unfair dismissal.
Just thought I'd throw it into the ring to try and get this thing moving, or at least worrying the higher management, sooner rather than later .
Worrying the higher management :D
They are struggling to retain staff in many store and they think they can create Jacks. How about sorting out the fine mess of Tesco first.
The recruitment in my store is add your name to the list via the Tesco careers then wait on a phone call with your start date. Everyone is welcome.
The Union won't provide a ballot over Industrial action regarding a pay deal they already endorsed and agreed irrespective of who shouts what.
That's the harsh reality.
As Loki suggests there isn't much scope to officially challenge the negative impact of the pay deal as it was endorsed by the current pay review structure, T and USDAW being happy to point that out.
I would be more inclined to call for a review and changes to that structure to avoid such negative impacts happening in the future. Having said that the call for a review would have to have significant interest and support to be taken seriously.
Not sure of the detail of your pay deal.
How many are currently negatively impacted?
What remains of Sunday premiums and other enhanced rates? If taken in the future how many staff would be negatively affected?
I think these details, what is left, the potential for the current structure to reduce even further and how many people would be affected with further reductions, are the details which need to be realised to gain momentum and support to call for a review of the current pay review structure.
Another pay-cut by stealth is the night premium. When it was announced that the night premium would only rise in the future as dictated by "market forces", rather than the same percentage as the hourly rate, it meant a pay-cut to those who work the anti-social, unhealthy hours most reject. We all know that market forces is corporate speak that means not in the foreseeable future. E.g., hourly pay £8.00ph,£2.00 night premium, 25%. £10.00ph,£2.00 night premium, 20%. I work nights and weekends, no pay-rise for a few years,with double-time taken, time and a half taken, night premium frozen, so I love hearing the 10.5% rubbish.... no morals, no social responsibility, I am now ashamed, where once was proud to work for this company. Thanks go out to Dave Lewis and USDAW.
The basic hourly rate may have gone up by 10.57% for everyone, but overall pay rise for weekend and night workers is far less than those who work days.
Misleading with the cushion payment.
No recognition as they so often boast about.
It won't be long before everyone will be on same pay whatever shift you do nights/days/weekends. I just seen job advertised on gov jobs for £7.83 an hour for 1am-10am which include weekends(no premiums).
Tesco are spoilt by the massive amount of labour out there looking for work.
Its not just Tesco that is taking advantage then ? since you say others are paying no premium for night work at all ,
Is it more of Tesco having to follow the pack , than lead them ?
Everyone in Work wants a higher pay pack , and everyone that buys from them wants a lower price ,
Tesco no longer offers competitive wages as they once did. There is such a selection of labour the warehouse in our place is overflowing every night. Some nights top shelf's and back stock don't even get worked let alone delivery. People leave all the time some jobs to go to and others none and few come to replace them. Management don't try hard enough with Rotas. Sometimes every aisle has someone. Then the next night it is team fill after team fill. Managers are constantly filling but a lot of them are managers now due to medical issues which mean they are slow at filling.
I hear this from some , yet wonder if warehouses are over flowing and delivery's are not getting worked then how can stores still get stocked and what do you do with stock that keeps coming in ? all the stores I go to look great and I shop after 7pm avalibilty has never been so good , I always have no problem at tills , unless its past 12 midnight when self serv is the only way ,
And Express and metro w/houses I get to see are near empty with all stock worked every day staffing levels are better than they have been for years , so I can say is that some stores like yours must have major problems that are outside the norm , as it stands If I was in your shoes I would get out and find someone that pays you more than what you are getting paid ,
Does anyome know how and when this payout is made? Eg wages or cheque.
Apparently i am the only one in my store getting it, but I've not been told anything as im on a lifestyle break.
Thanks
If you were going to get it you would most definitely have known about it by now.you would have had the money in end of July pay.
Just spotted this on my local rags website!
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/unite-holds-talks-sainsburys-over-15000093 (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/unite-holds-talks-sainsburys-over-15000093)
Seems Sainsbury's employees may be in the same boat as us, yet the union seems to want to help them. Hmmmm....
Wouldnt say exactly tha same boat as us.£9.20 an hour from sept as opposed to toscos £8.42 from nov.Even sunday workers will be getting more than tosco at time and quarter.Yet staff want to reject it which just shows how poor a pay deal Tesco and Usdaw have agreed for there staff and members.One thing though UNITE do seem to want to help.Time for a change in union i reckon.
Unless I've got this wrong, please correct me if I have, but it seems that there are 2 recognised Unions at Sainsbury's. Unite with approximately 11,000 members and Usdaw with a far larger majority.
Unite opposing the new contracts with Usdaw endorsing them.
Again, please correct me if I have this wrong. If this is true, then it's very interesting indeed.
UNITE have 12,000 Sainsburys members from 130,000 Store staff.Not sure how many USDAW have.
The article suggests that Unite weren't consulted if they are only talking now as a response to the change. It also goes on to say that the changes have been rolled into the collective agreement, is that with USDAW? Because Unite clearly don't agree.
Similarities suggests USDAW were proactive in the "deal" detail with both Employers.
Will Unite have any success considering the Collective Agreement May Stand solely with another union who have endorsed the change by collective agreement principles?
Interesting indeed Loki !
Something to keep up to date with if you have a wish to see another union gain a presence with T as the Article seems to reflect exactly the situation some are wishing for only it's with Sainsbury, not sure whether they are a better or worse employer, if the article is indeed a true reflection of the situation then they have eroded breaks also, perhaps theirs were paid.
Certainly something to keep up to date with, with regard to whether another UNION can have any success whilst they are a minority group gaining momentum.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/17/uk-wage-growth-pay-unemployment (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/17/uk-wage-growth-pay-unemployment)
... to be honest i have no words
our pay should be rising in line with inflation levels (in worse scenario) not going down year by year
Quote from: Loki on 08-08-18, 11:21AM
Unless I've got this wrong, please correct me if I have, but it seems that there are 2 recognised Unions at Sainsbury's. Unite with approximately 11,000 members and Usdaw with a far larger majority.
Unite opposing the new contracts with Usdaw endorsing them.
Again, please correct me if I have this wrong. If this is true, then it's very interesting indeed.
I think you may be correct. Just took a look around google and came across the USDAW booklet for Sainsburys union people from August last year.
Also this from the unite website stating a little more, from May.
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/sainsburys-accused-of-broken-promises-as-unite-seeks-legal-advice-over-sign-or-be-sacked-contracts/ (http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/sainsburys-accused-of-broken-promises-as-unite-seeks-legal-advice-over-sign-or-be-sacked-contracts/)
Quote from: lordadmiral on 08-08-18, 12:25PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/17/uk-wage-growth-pay-unemployment (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/17/uk-wage-growth-pay-unemployment)
... to be honest i have no words
our pay should be rising in line with inflation levels (in worse scenario) not going down year by year
:thumbup: I agree and to add insult for every few experienced staff leaving we get one untrained on 1/2 days that last months if not days jumping ship at first chance of FT hours. Delivery sits for days in our warehouse. For last few years it has been one days delivery at the most. I continue to point out this forum to newbies starting at Tesco. Try to warn people they will be overworked and undervalued. Don't like seeing people being ruined.
Just watched a matter of life and debt on BBC1, there was this guy who went to a credit union saying he could just scrap through the month with his wage and needed a loan for home improvements and surprise surprise he was in a Tesco uniform his job a Dot.com driver!!! Says it all really!!
Tc1. You hear similar in store. >:(
Quote from: T.C.1 on 08-08-18, 08:13PM
Just watched a matter of life and debt on BBC1, there was this guy who went to a credit union saying he could just sc**p through the month with his wage and needed a loan for home improvements and surprise surprise he was in a Tesco uniform his job a Dot.com driver!!! Says it all really!!
Hope the guy in question has a good union rep , as no doubt now he will be suspended / pending investigation and then disciplined one way or another for bringing the " Company " into distribute ? - its how sympathetic and caring this company is . :-X :-X
Would it be bringing the company into disrepute if the statement of facts regarding his life and finances are true?
He hasn't brought the Company into disrepute. The guy just went to the credit union for help because he didn't have enough money for his outgoings until next pay day.
He didn't state it was the company's fault or anything like that. So he was wearing his uniform... so what.
There'll be a lot more of that going on with these current cuts in pay going forward. All those working Sunday hours will be negatively impacted going forward as people rely on time and half.
Wait for the interest rate increase to kick in another 25pounds plus to find after the 60 pound cut .
Not forgetting the decrease in Sterling will send petrol and imported goods higher.....
Absolutely disgusted how things have turned out, expecting a 18 month cushion for loss of earnings last pay and in fact I got a pay cut, I immediately went to the manager and asked for an explanation.
Finally got a reply saying that my loss of £50/month wasn't significant enough so I won't get paid out, I replied you what, I am sorry but £50 a month each pay is significant amount of money especially if it is for the next 5 pays including the last one.
I was fuming when they said that, especially when the last briefing last November indicated that I was one of the staff affected and I would be paid out..... Since then no information or briefings.... There is in total about 7 members of staff on nights affected, with a substantial pay cut.
Lucky for them we did a WMTY a few weeks before the fall out, no doubt if we did one after it wouldn't have been so positive. It is a shame everyone of us affected are at an all time low, feel over worked and under paid.
Did get news today about the bonus next year it is either 2.5 or 3% depending on the performance, and basically it isn't a bonus it is just to cover what we are losing for the next 5 months, absolutely p**s take... However the only staff reaping the rewards are staff that don't work the shifts effected. Once again night staff especially the ones working the Sat*rday through Sunday and bank Holidays get shafted.
USDAW are a complete joke.
Zerohero loads at my store including myself are in the same boat and since last pay day can literally see moral has plummeted and is literally non existent.
I also wouldn't get to excited about the bonus as no doubt the bill for the new "discount" stores will be taken out of the profit margin thus screwing us over in yet again
It says it all taking money from minions when there is still far too many MM.
Interest rates have just risen. Gas prices going up (again). Council Tax increased this year. Net pay for many reduced due to law around pensions kicking in so their contributions were increased. And despite the fanfare around pay rises, Tesco will pay me less this year than last, which was less than the year before - I will take less home this year than I did in 2015, even when you factor in the bonuses, thanks entirely to the fact that I've stuck around a few years. p**s take is an understatement when you compare what managers and directors have been pocketing over that same timescale.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 10-08-18, 12:09PM
It says it all taking money from minions when there is still far too many MM.
How many do you think there should be to run a store? Say 250 staff open 18 hours a day no nightshift?
No more than 4 at anyone time in large stores or 3 and the sm. They need to sc**p department managers. There is too many now who do not care unless it is the department they work in. This said there is also too many who can't run a single department. I am fed up asking managers things to be told you'll need to wait until your own manager comes back. A simple shift swap, holiday booking can be hard work at times.
The average night shift at my store we have 3 managers and I couldn't tell you what they do other than inform/confirm what isles people are working that night, then later on they return and ask us to clear the floor.
Apparently there will soon be another 2/3 managers hired, nice to know our lost premium is being put to good use! There's been a couple of nights we've coped with 1 manager so other than giving each other extra nights off I can't figure that logic out... there's going to be nights we have more managers than staff
K2S0
2/3 extra managers on a night fill :question: ;D
There is no GAs on the night fill I know and they too have got by on 1/2 when the others have been at the pub for a team bonding session/conference.
Our store is starting a 6 to midnight crew with the money they have saved from loss of time and a half.
Yup so if it actually happens we'll have 6 managers working nights spread across the week, it's a big store but still I think the 3 we have now are more than enough... even children don't require that many babysitters 😂 nursery's require 1 for every 7 if I remember correctly 😂
[admin]Sunday premium down to time and a quarter. Is the topic.[/admin]
Quote from: Zerohero on 10-08-18, 08:57AM
Absolutely disgusted how things have turned out, expecting a 18 month cushion for loss of earnings last pay and in fact I got a pay cut, I immediately went to the manager and asked for an explanation.
Finally got a reply saying that my loss of £50/month wasn't significant enough so I won't get paid out, I replied you what, I am sorry but £50 a month each pay is significant amount of money especially if it is for the next 5 pays including the last one.
USDAW are a complete joke.
This is the attitude all GA's will get. They dont give a f*** about you and you are easily replaced.
I've actually lost money because of this, however, I wasn't given any payout.
'
my old contract was £244 a week.
my new contract is £236 a week.
should I contact the Union? I brought it up with my manager but he says it will 'balance out' it clearly isn't balanced because I'm down £8.
any advice?
Thanks.
Unfortunately the balancing out does not occur until November, when the next payrise cuts in. All Sunday contracted and overtime staff are in the same position. Poor communication led those affected by the premium reduction to believe they all would receive a cushion payment. Very few did.
in further response to Buddha:
"new Contract" - is this using the rate of pay you will be getting from Nov 2018 (as previous poster mentioned above)?
Also, it's not quite as simple as "contracted pay" - Tesco actually compare what hours you worked during the reference period (Nov 2016-Nov 2017) - so if you worked any overtime/additional hours during that year, Tesco will assume you'll do the same in the period Nov 2018-Nov 2019.
@Plato affects me to the tune of around £42 every 4 weeks and by my calculations I will still be well out of pocket after the next pay increase in November..... no cushion payment for me by the way. :'( :'( :'( @ barafear whatever way you look at this it's a disgrace that anyone can be worse off after all of the pay increases come into effect. >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Buddha on 13-08-18, 03:50PM
I've actually lost money because of this, however, I wasn't given any payout.
'
my old contract was £244 a week.
my new contract is £236 a week.
should I contact the Union? I brought it up with my manager but he says it will 'balance out' it clearly isn't balanced because I'm down £8.
any advice?
Thanks.
Think your managers wrong, it wont balance itself out. You are £32 per month down for five months until Novembers pay rise. I'm about £45 down till Nov, then I will be earning £1 per month more in Nov 18 than Nov 17, as for USDAW my advice would be give them a call ....and cancel your membership.
Thanks for the replies guys.
surely there's got to be something we can do in regards to loss of earnings.
I'm going to try and touch base with USDAW tomorrow and see what they've got to say. if all else fails I'll put it in writing to the company.
My manager even has the cheek to call me a 'money grabber' :D
Not a lot you can do, it's a legal pay rise. Your hourly rate is going up, what's changing are your premiums and you have agreed for these to change through collective bargaining with usdaw. It's the way it has been done very clever not to give majority a pay out because earning more than previous year, in most cases very little more. It just shows how tesco value there staff. If everyone affected dropped membership to usdaw it would give them something to think about.
Has anyone been told about the pension closed 3yrs ago paying less out to people who take it early. Starting November 2018. Than people who have already taken it early? Yet again affecting long serving staff, very few people seem to be aware of this change
When the company announced that they were closing the defined benefit pension scheme the union negotiated a deal for those close to retirement that was anyone who took their pension within 3 years of the closure would not see any additional reduction in their pension. That deal expires in Nov of this year.
Good ole tesco ..Does anyone know how much difference this will make as hoping to take mine in the next 2years
Quote from: his scots tie on 13-08-18, 06:01PM
Quote from: Buddha on 13-08-18, 03:50PM
I've actually lost money because of this, however, I wasn't given any payout.
'
my old contract was £244 a week.
my new contract is £236 a week.
should I contact the Union? I brought it up with my manager but he says it will 'balance out' it clearly isn't balanced because I'm down £8.
any advice?
Thanks.
Think your managers wrong, it wont balance itself out. You are £32 per month down for five months until Novembers pay rise. I'm about £45 down till Nov, then I will be earning £1 per month more in Nov 18 than Nov 17, as for USDAW my advice would be give them a call ....and cancel your membership.
As said here, the strongest action you can take is to quit USDAW. I have. I'm not sure it can change too much this time around, but when premium time & a quarter gets cut to time (and it will) the union may then actually think twice about what it will agree to.
Unfortunately, what scots tie said is pretty much the truth of the matter.
As for the legality - as far as I know companies can vary your t&C with your permission - and as we're in a collective bargaining position, it's effectively with the permission of USDAW.
What can you do? Join the Leigh Day legal fight or take it to tribunal yourself - but it's very much the big corporation versus the small guy in the street.
There's not really much new to say on the subject. And if you had had the implications of the deal explained in full when it was originally proposed (think it was leaked in Feb of last year) then at least that would have given you the further option of adjusting your budgeting or finding another job.
I don't mean to be blunt - but unfortunately that is the way Tesco or most other companies (and legally) will view it.
I don't know about USdaw membership - but as someone else said - anyone that's getting a 10.5% pay rise probably thinks Usdaw are wonderful - regardless of the fact that the NLW would have forced Tesco to give us a pay rise.
Unfortunately the majority rules - and even if it's way more than 3% of people who are "not 10.5% better off" - it's still likely to be a minority.
Unfortunately it comes down to supply and demand - are you so valuable to Tesco that they couldn't afford to lose you and replace you with someone more flexible? (i.e. on a flexi contract)
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 13-08-18, 10:30PM
Quote from: his scots tie on 13-08-18, 06:01PM
Quote from: Buddha on 13-08-18, 03:50PM
I've actually lost money because of this, however, I wasn't given any payout.
'
my old contract was £244 a week.
my new contract is £236 a week.
should I contact the Union? I brought it up with my manager but he says it will 'balance out' it clearly isn't balanced because I'm down £8.
any advice?
Thanks.
Think your managers wrong, it wont balance itself out. You are £32 per month down for five months until Novembers pay rise. I'm about £45 down till Nov, then I will be earning £1 per month more in Nov 18 than Nov 17, as for USDAW my advice would be give them a call ....and cancel your membership.
As said here, the strongest action you can take is to quit USDAW. I have. I'm not sure it can change too much this time around, but when premium time & a quarter gets cut to time (and it will) the union may then actually think twice about what it will agree to.
Strongest action just leave Tesco at first chance.
I used to like this site , but it's just turned out to be lots of people bitching , blame Usdaw , blame Usdaw , leave Usdaw leave your job , ffs grow a pair and stand up for yourselves instead of being keyboard warriors !!!! If you all had big enough balls in real life we wouldn't be in such a mess , but oh know I'll hide behind a keyboard and computer screen and put the world to rights #getagrip
RAFCOL..... Think you've come to the wrong place dude.
Quote from: Buddha on 13-08-18, 03:50PM
I've actually lost money because of this, however, I wasn't given any payout.
'
my old contract was £244 a week.
my new contract is £236 a week.
should I contact the Union? I brought it up with my manager but he says it will 'balance out' it clearly isn't balanced because I'm down £8.
any advice?
Thanks.
HAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: RAFCOL on 14-08-18, 02:34PM
I used to like this site , but it's just turned out to be lots of people bitching , blame Usdaw , blame Usdaw , leave Usdaw leave your job , ffs grow a pair and stand up for yourselves instead of being keyboard warriors !!!! If you all had big enough balls in real life we wouldn't be in such a mess , but oh know I'll hide behind a keyboard and computer screen and put the world to rights #getagrip
RAFCOL I think you work for USDAW! you keyboard warrior!
Why do people always say, "if you don't like it, get another job" etc?
For many of the older staff members who've worked for Tesco for 20 or 30 years plus, it's not that easy. No experience in other industries, or not having youth on their side.
Why should they be forced to leave? They've been loyal over many years, built the company to what it was before greedy, dishonest directors did all the damage. They stayed for the good pay rates, premiums and excellent pension........all now gone!
Many believed Tesco to be a job for life, and this is the thanks they get.
So yes Rafcol, people are moaning on here, and rightly so.
If you don't like or agree with what you read, then I would suggest you stop reading.... Simple.
Nicely said Nightworker 2
Quote from: RAFCOL on 14-08-18, 02:34PM
I used to like this site , but it's just turned out to be lots of people bitching , blame Usdaw , blame Usdaw , leave Usdaw leave your job , ffs grow a pair and stand up for yourselves instead of being keyboard warriors !!!! If you all had big enough balls in real life we wouldn't be in such a mess , but oh know I'll hide behind a keyboard and computer screen and put the world to rights #getagrip
This site was kindly made to help Tesco employees with the many problems most of us experience at some point during our employment with Tesco. Of course there is going to be lots of debate surrounding controversial issues such as the current pay deal.
VLH is a place where employees can express their concerns, ask questions or even rant with their anonymity remaining intact. I for one am grateful to Nomad and his team AND the many who have helped others through the forums. The site remains as informative as it ever was in its beginnings.
If you are not happy with people complaining about a company that has not treated its employees fairly nor indeed a Union that has failed its members, then jog on. The likes of you who contribute so little won't be missed my friend.
Well said Loki
Hear hear
Sums up the majority at Tesco griping like f*** yet can't be arsed putting any effort into getting a new job. Why :question: because other employers wouldn't accept them doing f*** all and the conduct they display on a daily basis. Those at the top are too busy creaming off minions and shagging each other off.
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 14-08-18, 05:32PMWhy do people always say, "if you don't like it, get another job" etc?
Because you are at Tesco, and remain at Tesco, entirely by choice? At some point in history you entered into a voluntary agreement with Tesco to offer your labour in return for it's terms and conditions. Over time, those terms and conditions, the culture and the working environment have changed countless times under the watch of your trade union that exists to protect your interests - and you continued to choose to stay. So when asked the question 'why don't you leave' perhaps you should consider the reflective - 'why do you choose you stay despite all the changes?'
Quote from: Nightworker23 on 14-08-18, 05:32PMWhy should they be forced to leave? They've been loyal over many years, built the company to what it was before greedy, dishonest directors did all the damage. They stayed for the good pay rates, premiums and excellent pension........all now gone!
Many believed Tesco to be a job for life, and this is the thanks they get.
Ask those petrified corpses in Pompeii who chose to build their homes at the base of a volcano if they ever expected it to erupt...
I concede - it may not be an
option for some people such as yourself who remained static while the world around them changed but it is still a
choice to remain and thus subject yourself to more change. But the moral lesson of Tesco's history is that you can't expect things to remain the same because it suits you.
One thing not staying the same is Dave Lewis take home pay, up, up, up and away.
Quote from: Loki on 14-08-18, 07:50PM
Quote from: RAFCOL on 14-08-18, 02:34PM
I used to like this site , but it's just turned out to be lots of people bitching , blame Usdaw , blame Usdaw , leave Usdaw leave your job , ffs grow a pair and stand up for yourselves instead of being keyboard warriors !!!! If you all had big enough balls in real life we wouldn't be in such a mess , but oh know I'll hide behind a keyboard and computer screen and put the world to rights #getagrip
This site was kindly made to help Tesco employees with the many problems most of us experience at some point during our employment with Tesco. Of course there is going to be lots of debate surrounding controversial issues such as the current pay deal.
VLH is a place where employees can express their concerns, ask questions or even rant with their anonymity remaining intact. I for one am grateful to Nomad and his team AND the many who have helped others through the forums. The site remains as informative as it ever was in its beginnings.
If you are not happy with people complaining about a company that has not treated its employees fairly nor indeed a Union that has failed its members, then jog on. The likes of you who contribute so little won't be missed my friend.
This site over the years has proved invaluable when I worked for the big T. From ease of getting information in a few clicks, to the vast experience of some people on here who have helped when I have been in with a member whose been fighting for their job with the SM.
You take from this site what you want, personally it helped me immensely.... :thumbup:
Nothing to do with this thread but is ourtesco down or is it just me?
Yes it is probably going to p**s us off with more BS.
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 15-08-18, 08:25AM
Sums up the majority at Tesco griping like f*** yet can't be arsed putting any effort into getting a new job. Why :question: because other employers wouldn't accept them doing f*** all and the conduct they display on a daily basis. Those at the top are too busy creaming off minions and sh**ging each other off.
All you seem to do is moan and abuse anyone and anything, If the search function was available it could be verified but I would put money on 99% of your posts being just vitriol and abuse.
For example in this 3 line reply you manage not only to abuse the CAs but also management, is there anyone anywhere that you dont have any animosity towards?
Forrestgimp
All of my post are the reality of Tesco and nothing more at no time did I ask you read this forum. I am tired of the endless moaning that is all. It is not worth moaning nothing will be done. If it is so bad just leave. Thanks though for your sweeping statements with no weighting.
[admin]"I am tired of the endless moaning" so stop reading and posting moans. Nomad[/admin]
Nomad if you say so ;D
"Sunday premium down to time and a quarter.", anybody or perhaps the subject is exhausted after 42 pages.
It's clear reading the posts on this subject that employees on here are far from happy with the injustice and inequality of their pay rise being wholly or partially swallowed up by the latest reduction of their Sunday premium. I've said my piece and I feel comforted and supported that I am not on my own and also that other people feel the same as me about how unjust the whole thing is. I hope that down the line that something will get done and that we will be justly bought out of our contracts as I was when the premium was reduced from double time to time and a half therefore allowing us to enjoy the pay rises in full like our non Sunday working colleagues.
All you need to know after 42 pages is staff are p*ssed off because tesco seem to confuse a massive (£60 p/m for me) pay cut with a small pay rise and expect gratitude
@K2SO.....spot on mate.
After which the Union still remain silent
I wouldn't care if there was 100 pages on this subject it just shows the strength of feeling at this terrible pay deal!!!!
Been working this morning...as usual nothing has been done by yesterday's twighlight shift..the place is an absolute midden and on a really busy day trading wise there is a Marie Celeste feel about the place staff wise. Pretty much sums up every Sunday at our store and the staff who have all suffered a pay cut have the usual Sunday fire fight on their hands...oh and as per usual no sign whatsoever of the SM or any Senior Team..when you think of the salaries those overpaid pr*cks are drawing it beggars belief. >:( >:( :(
I hope this isn't deemed off-topic but I feel like this thread has veered into the Leigh Day case a few times since it seems like maybe our only chance of remuneration... anyway I got this letter from them yesterday and I think it shows pretty clearly what a sneaky and underhanded company they know they're dealing with... (I hope this posts right, tried attaching but got errors and can't remember if we're allowed to post links) https://imgur.com/a/1CVQ2h7
QuoteIt is likely they will argue
a bit speculative?
In the busy stores the evening team should be looking for popular items and putting them out. Instead of this the night team go into an shop where the shelf's are empty. My old place has lots of new faces when you go in few who are any use from what I hear. Walked in at 6am and aisles were decked untouched by the night crew, backstock and top shelf's rammed. Never bothered going down a few of the aisles full of cardboard a plastic strewn all over. Two senior team were standing with their two arms the one length at the front of the store. It looks like the SM wasn't due in this morning.
Quote from: Duracell on 19-08-18, 07:20PM
QuoteIt is likely they will argue
a bit speculative?
if you haven't been following this entire thread which is mostly about how badly they worded this whole pay review and you come to that defensive conclusion instead of like umm preemptive action, I don't know what to do for your head.
Off to sell my clothes this morning to gather what little amount of pennies this to get me over the line until pay-day. I'm a single dad who works full-time for this shower of s***e.
My outgoings have gone up significantly while I'm 60 pound a month down. I've worked for Tesco for 11 years, do the best I can, while people around me twiddle their thumbs and play about on the phones. It was a struggle before the loss of premium now thanks to Lewis and the champagne Socialist lefty s*** at Usdaw, I'm relying on reduced food for my monthly shop and can't afford a day or night out with my girlfriend or my daughter.
You've invested in my misery Matt Davies, not me.
Quote from: surlaroute on 19-08-18, 09:57PM
Quote from: Duracell on 19-08-18, 07:20PM
QuoteIt is likely they will argue
a bit speculative?
if you haven't been following this entire thread which is mostly about how badly they worded this whole pay review and you come to that defensive conclusion instead of like umm preemptive action, I don't know what to do for your head.
I have followed not just the thread but much more in fact, probably more than I should do given what I an others have to contend with.
My question is defensive? The term used seemed speculative hence the ? So more of a question than a statement.
Obviously you think the speculative nature of the phrase is acceptable.
@ Duracell sorry if I misunderstood still don't quite know what you meant but I was a little highly strung over other things last night
No need to apologise it was probably me that misunderstood . Now I have read the letter again, I see why the speculation is appropriate, although I think if T do try to defend themselves as Leigh Day speculate it will be a pretty weak defence and more of a stall tactic.
Leigh Day do seem to have a proactive approach though.
Offthewire
How awful for you, again I suggest an open letter to the newspapers.....
Dear USDAW
Please could you advise me as to whom I apply for sustenance payments?? I believe you provide these allowances to USDAW reps and other USDAW officials attending USDAW events, and the daily rate is approximately £15+ per day?? This payment is extra to their 3 meals plus coffee and cake breaks......not including their hotel room bill on average £80 per night!!
Then the regular award nights, attended by the same heirachy, all claiming expenses for their attendance, all taken from the coffers from the subs of its members.
I await your reply, however in the meantime, I will be in the food donation bank, trying to cope with the actual reduction in wage, YOU AGREED TO, to feed my family!!!
SHAME ON YOU ALL :( :(
What are the chances of reprisals though??
I actually received the princely sum of 2 pounds today for a binbag full of clothes plus a bag full of books. Some of which, i had kept since i was 10 years old. I'm 34 now. I felt ridiculous going into my local DWP office on Friday applying for Universal Credit knowing the chances of receiving anything are slim to none.
There must be thousands in the same boat as myself and i feel so sick and resentful that I'm keeping my head above water to work on dotcom, checkouts, backdoor, frozen, bws and grocery while Davies and Lewis are silent. I work Sundays because I need to, not because i want to.
Off the wire
Know exactly how it feels. Left because they kept reducing wages and expecting more of you etc. From Dave to your store managers they do not care about the entry level workers. As long as they get the massive annual bonus. Often drop into my store for milk and bread and all you hear of is good people leaving. Keep a watch on this forum hoping things will get better for the folks I know still employed but all you hear is c**k and bull.
Probably wrong place for this but USDAW don't give a monkeys about anyone..they live so far up daves arse they just can't see it, had the area organiser and her side kick nominated from stores in trying to recruit as our store is less than 35% uptake. Sat in the canteen existing members asked about Sunday's and why usdaw hadn't protected them, the answer back?? You will be better off in November and we did the best for you all, numerous staff got the same answer, tempers started to flare up and got to the point we had to ask her to leave as it wasn't productive or particularly safe.
They don't understand, they are so far removed from stores they are no better than the board.
Quote from: Duracell on 20-08-18, 12:28PM
Quote from: surlaroute on 19-08-18, 09:57PM
Quote from: Duracell on 19-08-18, 07:20PM
QuoteIt is likely they will argue
a bit speculative?
if you haven't been following this entire thread which is mostly about how badly they worded this whole pay review and you come to that defensive conclusion instead of like umm preemptive action, I don't know what to do for your head.
I have followed not just the thread but much more in fact, probably more than I should do given what I an others have to contend with.
My question is defensive? The term used seemed speculative hence the ? So more of a question than a statement.
Obviously you think the speculative nature of the phrase is acceptable.
More along the lines of covering all bases,It is not a huge leap of faith to assume that Tesco would use a defence like that and as such they are correct in my opinion to ask what they do.
Surely even those on here who are of the opinion that DC work is of greater value can see that making sure a case is thoroughly prepared is of utmost importance.
Not sure who you are referring to when you state some are of the opinion DC work is of greater value. Who said that?
I do agree that who ever or what ever goes up against T will be better equipt if they recognise and cover all possibilities.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 21-08-18, 04:46PM
Quote from: Duracell on 20-08-18, 12:28PM
Quote from: surlaroute on 19-08-18, 09:57PM
Quote from: Duracell on 19-08-18, 07:20PM
QuoteIt is likely they will argue
a bit speculative?
if you haven't been following this entire thread which is mostly about how badly they worded this whole pay review and you come to that defensive conclusion instead of like umm preemptive action, I don't know what to do for your head.
I have followed not just the thread but much more in fact, probably more than I should do given what I an others have to contend with.
My question is defensive? The term used seemed speculative hence the ? So more of a question than a statement.
Obviously you think the speculative nature of the phrase is acceptable.
More along the lines of covering all bases,It is not a huge leap of faith to assume that Tesco would use a defence like that and as such they are correct in my opinion to ask what they do.
Surely even those on here who are of the opinion that DC work is of greater value can see that making sure a case is thoroughly prepared is of utmost importance.
It's intresting how you didn't chose to respond to my last post before yours which acknowledges the need to "cover all bases", yet you chose to highlight my post where I am uncertain and ask a question.
You have merely said the same as I did in a different way.
Except for a generalised statement about an opinion that DC work is of greater value.
Not sure where or how you intend to substantiate that statement but please ...
You have the floor
All have been shafted it is that simple. Looks like the infighting stiil exists at Tesco.
I was just re reading the Q & A's about the changes to Sunday Premium and note that in the question entitled 'How were colleagues consulted on these changes?' They describe the 2 year pay deal as fair and simple competitive and sustainable to the business. Fair and Simple??? Under the same question it then goes on to say ' With any change there may be some people who do not benefit in the same way and some who may lose out' There is no 'MAY ' about it, ALL Sunday workers have lost out and are currently experiencing a notable reduction in their take home pay and that is simply not FAIR.
Anybody got detail on managers night premiums including Sundays.
My manager is moaning the others get lots more, lol.
Night Managers still get full night premiums and Sunday premium
No they just been cut down to 1.25 the pay is massive difference to other two managers and night premium is different.
Quote from: Pedroximenez on 22-08-18, 01:22PM
I was just re reading the Q & A's about the changes to Sunday Premium and note that in the question entitled 'How were colleagues consulted on these changes?' They describe the 2 year pay deal as fair and simple competitive and sustainable to the business. Fair and Simple??? Under the same question it then goes on to say ' With any change there may be some people who do not benefit in the same way and some who may lose out' There is no 'MAY ' about it, ALL Sunday workers have lost out and are currently experiencing a notable reduction in their take home pay and that is simply not FAIR.
we trusted them for the last time... I hope more comes from this but if nothing else comes from this I just hope at the very least they understand that it was for the last time.
Jesus I am short even more in my wages this month, was last months premium cut 3 weeks or 4 ?
Quote from: cosmosmallpiece on 25-08-18, 05:42AM
Jesus I am short even more in my wages this month, was last months premium cut 3 weeks or 4 ?
Last month's premium cut was 3 weeks
Cheers Blodwyn
Contractual Sunday's were 4 weeks not 3.
New rate commenced 1st July
If that's the case Loki I need to ask the question.
Note I stated contractual. My pay is exactly that to the penny.
I am contracted Sundays, I have done exactly the same hours this month as I did last month so why is my pay even less this month than last. So June was the last month of 1.5 July was 1.25vso why is it lower again this month ( sorry if I am just being thick here)
Don't know lol.
Just break down the figures of your contractual pay and compare it to your gross figure on your payslip. You'll then see how much, if you are, short by.
Can anyone remember the pay rates for all staff levels between November 2017_2017?
Quote from: bugsbunny on 25-08-18, 08:41PM
I am contracted Sundays, I have done exactly the same hours this month as I did last month so why is my pay even less this month than last. So June was the last month of 1.5 July was 1.25vso why is it lower again this month ( sorry if I am just being thick here)
Only three sundays at time and 1/4 last month.Its 4 sundays at time 1/4 this month.
Not with regards to contractual Sunday's. The new hourly rate and Sunday's were paid at 4 weeks for contractual hours last month, NOT 3.
New rates commenced July 1st
Contracted Sunday shifts for 1, 8, 15 and 22 July would have been paid in July 27 pay.
Didnt think Sunday 22nd july would have been included in julys pay, with pay day the following friday july 27.
If it were an overtime shift, no it wouldn't. But contractual shift it would.
Cut off points for exceptions are different to contractual.
This has been in place for some time now. If you check further you'll find this to be correct.
Quote from: Loki on 26-08-18, 10:30PM
If it were an overtime shift, no it wouldn't. But contractual shift it would.
Cut off points for exceptions are different to contractual.
This has been in place for some time now. If you check further you'll find this to be correct.
Classic Tesco maths. I got paid more than expected this month and the only reason I can fathom is because I took that first saturday after pay day off sick lol. So I get paid more for being off sick now than if I work it. As I said to someone who asked the same question as above about the 3/4 week thing, it makes about as much sense as anything right now. I'm afraid I kind of laughed as I said it. I'm that done with this by now.
*sigh*
Tesco are renowned for over complicating everything :-X :-X
Just had a look at job vacancies
Customers are at the heart of everything we do. It takes lots of different people to run a store and this is a job for doers, with plenty of variety. Within one shift you could be guiding a customer to a product, serving on the checkouts, helping to fill shelves, taking a delivery or moving stock around the warehouse.
It's a committed role, full of everyday challenges, but that's one of the things that makes it so rewarding.
Whether you are looking for flexibility to suit your lifestyle or the opportunity to progress your career, this can be the role for you.
So to sum up......they're going to acknowledge your lifestyle and accommodate.....provide all new flexi temps with the correct PPE to work all depts.... ;D ;D
"but that's one of the things that makes it so rewarding"
Apart from when you work Sundays.
They have a strange sense of whats rewarding dont they, I mean saving lives keeping the peace doing a multitude of things are rewarding but I would not class flogging a can of beans or fags and a scratch card to chavs all that rewarding to be honest.
;D ;D So true! ;D ;D
Typical Tesco logic. I still struggle with the fact that some actually do find it rewarding. The very same people who just shrug at their premiums being cut and actually feeling thankful that they are still employed.
I think Duracell and a few others on here have touched upon this many times over the years... apathy. And that my friend is rife throughout stores and far outnumber those with any real conviction whereby any shout for change is futile.
It's not just the Union at fault I'm afraid to say... and furthermore it suits the Union. Moreso the Company.
How are they helping the community any when all they are doing is cutting workers terms and conditions and expecting the impossible out of them. This indicator was red in my old stores WMTY.
Loki said it, Apathy is king everyone just goes with the flo.
Quote from: Loki on 27-08-18, 11:05PM
Typical Tesco logic. I still struggle with the fact that some actually do find it rewarding.
Spot on. And it's not just apathy that's rife - it's the supreme arrogance from management. There are swathes of them who genuinely believe that I do a very routine, menial, repetitive, tedious, thankless task for an ungrateful master in a terrible environment amidst constantly eroding reward because I somehow derive some kind of spiritual fulfilment from it. It's staggering.
I work in a
supermarket. That's it. It's a purely transactional relationship, nothing more. I do what you contract, train and instruct me to do and in return I take money from you.
With them taking money from you. It's disgusting the rapid speed in which premiums have been slashed.
Lewis tried to urge Government to include "benefits" within National Living Wage criteria. Categorically turned down so then he slashes everything then has the audacity to state that these so called pay deals have nothing to do with the National Living Wage.
well would you look at that https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244 (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244) :D
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Local Tsco in Cardiff also closed during taking in deliveries or when one on one and other staff goes on break and leaves store for break
Quote from: surlaroute on 29-08-18, 02:57AM
well would you look at that https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244 (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244) :D
Please read VLH Supporter Benefits (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?page=15)
"No staff" this reminds me of when I was leaving and many of the good workers had moved department. We were left with an clueless manager trying to work his department with clueless staff. Those who new a bit kept getting taken off own tasks to help newbies. End result whole place looked as if there had been no staff. The managers didn't even make an effort to get our place staffed. The flexi workers could f the whole store up by not offering to do ot because they knew there was few FT staff and those on 1,2 and 3 shifts would jumpship at first opportunity.
Quote from: Pathfinder on 29-08-18, 07:47AM
Local Tsco in Cardiff also closed during taking in deliveries or when one on one and other staff goes on break and leaves store for break
Seems the store management need a talking to , Have not seen that happen for years in any Express , I cant understand why they closed the store its been spelt out to them that the deliveries have to wait ???
Quote from: GreenGrocer on 29-08-18, 11:31AM
Quote from: surlaroute on 29-08-18, 02:57AM
well would you look at that https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244 (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/tesco-express-store-whiteladies-road-1946244) :D
Please read VLH Supporter Benefits (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?page=15)
"No staff" this reminds me of when I was leaving and many of the good workers had moved department. We were left with an clueless manager trying to work his department with clueless staff. Those who new a bit kept getting taken off own tasks to help newbies. End result whole place looked as if there had been no staff. The managers didn't even make an effort to get our place staffed. The flexi workers could f the whole store up by not offering to do ot because they knew there was few FT staff and those on 1,2 and 3 shifts would jumpship at first opportunity.
You seem to have had every problem going in the store you worked never heard so many horror story's coming out of one store before , Hopefully things will get better since you are gone 8-) Best of luck in your new Job :thumbup:
[admin]Sunday premium down to time and a quarter.[/admin]
Think this thread is exhausted?
Sorry I figured that store closing was pretty closely related to the subject of this thread cos I imagine its indicative of where this is headed.
surlaroute it could be considered to be so which is why a few posts were left untouched, the dilemma is that the thread can morph into matters which have nothing to do with the subject and therefore will not be found by persons browsing the forum by subject title.
All of which is why we try to encourage members to become supporters so they can do a search and if necessary start a new topic, store closed due to lack of staff (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16680.msg218476;topicseen#msg218476)
fatboy, I do believe this thread is approaching the end of its life, watch this space :-\
Colleagues at dot.com Greenford collected 200 signatures to express discontent with the pay deal and ask to have a vote in future
What difference do you think 200 signatures will make?!
If you have better proposals, let us hear. I don't know about the situation at your place, but in our depot the 1,400 odd people often don't know each other that much. For the colleagues to collect signatures was a first step to face each other and say, yes, we don't like it and we do something about it - however small a step collecting signatures might seem. You have to start s9mewhere. No illusions about the impact, but it is a sign to the union big shots that they might lose more members or won't win new ones. But again, what would you do or what have you done?
I don't have any other proposals because whatever you do it won't work. 200 signatures is just a waste of time.
I get what you say, but wouldn't give up. Next step would be to look at similar jobs and see why workers there are able to do things...
http://labornotes.org/2018/08/vote-no-sentiment-escalating-ups (http://labornotes.org/2018/08/vote-no-sentiment-escalating-ups)
https://www.uvwunion.org.uk/news/2017/6/20/victory-to-lse-cleaners (https://www.uvwunion.org.uk/news/2017/6/20/victory-to-lse-cleaners)
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qb5n8d/deliveroo-protest-gains-concessions-iwgb (https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qb5n8d/deliveroo-protest-gains-concessions-iwgb)
https://www.plutobooks.com/blog/worker-resistance-amazon-poland/ (https://www.plutobooks.com/blog/worker-resistance-amazon-poland/)
Quote from: fatboy on 02-09-18, 10:15AM
I don't have any other proposals because whatever you do it won't work. 200 signatures is just a waste of time.
Blimey if left to the likes of you we would still be in workhouses because 'Its a waste of time'
have a read of this, Its what 200 people can do.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarrow_March
@FunkSoulBrother I applaud you, good luck, sounds like a well reasoned case rather than a gripe, and a positive step at that.
Hi I got paid support pay on the 27th of July and my last working day after 30 years service was the 29th.I received nothing on the 24th of August and on looking online at my wage slip see they had took the money back out of my wages and leavers pay leaving me with zero. I was also told we get paid in advance.Anybody shed some light please
You are paid in arrears and also are likely to be owed holiday pay for the year you started due to the system that existed at that time.
You are not paid in arrears you are paid up to date. When you are paid the pay is up to th Saturday after payday. You look like you had enough service to have been on the old accrued holiday scheme, the only way you would have come off it is if you took maternity leave as some time ago when you went onto maternity leave and where on the accured holiday scheme you paid for the holidays you had accrued and when you returned you went onto the current holiday scheme, that was stopped due to maternity legislation changes. You should query it with payroll
Thanks for your replies it seems my wages person is trying to have me over or doesn't know what she is doing
Lyneelou. You do realise that all your 'wages person' does is input your leaving date on to the HRAM system? All calculations are done via the computer interface with Payroll.
What is the sunday pay? i know its time and a quarter but what is the quarter in £
Quarter of your hourly rate.
£2.25 per hour to be more precise:)
Depends on grade, but at least £2.25 unless on new starter wage.
Quote from: dotnochance on 17-12-19, 12:45AM
What is the sunday pay? i know its time and a quarter but what is the quarter in £
Are you for real?
Most SMs can't work out 5 * 7.
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
If the company wern't so bloody scared of just running down everything with a short date it wouldn't matter if we closed for 2 days.
but supermarkets seems to think customers are actually telling the truth when they say "im never shopping here again"
Quote from: Night Owl on 17-12-19, 05:48PM
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
f*** the lead trade manager!! f*** your end of year review!! tell them to get in touch with lewis to come in!! put you and your family first!!!!
What review they can't make you do it unless you are a new by.
Quote from: Night Owl on 17-12-19, 05:48PM
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
Just call in sick, if he does anything outside of policy, grievance it, keep documentation and if they still don't follow process the lead manager has to answer to the judge.
Quote from: madness on 17-12-19, 05:19PM
Quote from: dotnochance on 17-12-19, 12:45AM
What is the sunday pay? i know its time and a quarter but what is the quarter in £
Are you for real?
Yes i was being real, the problem is when u go on holiday they include the sunday premium under holiday pay instead of the sunday premium section of the payslip
it get very confusing, Also this is tesco we are talking about, i didnt know if they counted a quarter differently from everyone else, since they like to s*** like that all the time
Quote from: lackofinterest on 17-12-19, 06:11PM
Quote from: Night Owl on 17-12-19, 05:48PM
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
f*** the lead trade manager!! f*** your end of year review!! tell them to get in touch with lewis to come in!! put you and your family first!!!!
Preach! I brought a doughnut and a book to my last review. Told the manager give me the paper to sign once he'd finished waffling. >:D
I still got a Green. :D
Quote from: Night Owl on 17-12-19, 05:48PM
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
Nobody can be made to work Boxing day, if your boss says otherwise ask him to show you in writing where it says you must work.
It is written in EVERYBODYS contract, that no employee has to work, Christmas Day, Boxing Day or New Year's Day...so you have it in writing to show them the policy.
Nights normally have to work boxing day as they class Xmas eve Xmas day and nye Bank Holidays in our store
Quote from: dotnochance on 18-12-19, 12:18AM
Quote from: madness on 17-12-19, 05:19PM
Quote from: dotnochance on 17-12-19, 12:45AM
What is the sunday pay? i know its time and a quarter but what is the quarter in £
Are you for real?
Yes i was being real, the problem is when u go on holiday they include the sunday premium under holiday pay instead of the sunday premium section of the payslip
it get very confusing, Also this is tesco we are talking about, i didnt know if they counted a quarter differently from everyone else, since they like to s*** like that all the time
If Sunday is a contracted day then that would form part of the weekly contracted amount which serves as the minimum you'll get when on holiday (holiday pay being either weekly contracted rate or average weekly earnings in the previous 12 weeks when factoring in OT and additional premiums, whichever is greater).
Quote from: Blackcat3 on 18-12-19, 03:28PM
Nights normally have to work boxing day as they class Xmas eve Xmas day and nye Bank Holidays in our store
Night team gets f***ed over when it comes to public holidays and extra pay
Quote from: Night Owl on 17-12-19, 05:48PM
Time +.25 for working boxing day and New year day is a p**s take. Told l have to do 1 or the other by lead trade manager. I know l could refuse point blank, but l know it would come back to bite me on my end of year review.
So l ruin the family festivities for an extra £12 in my wage packet.
So much for the season of good will.
You can appeal your end of year grade at review if its been given unfairly. Part of me thinks you chose to work in retail and are a manager so you should understand. Imagine how you would feel if every colleague refused to work boxing day and the 1st for your department?
I think if you let the store manager know early enough in the year what your intentions are around the festive bank holidays then there will be no comeback. Or even get involved in making the shifts as fair as possible.
If you are a competent manager there is no way they will get away with downgrading your eoy grade because you said no to overtime.
8-) if everyone refused to work Boxing Day and New Year's Day, then the store couldn't open. It's those that choose to, either by coercion, ignorant of their contract, or have tunnel vision, that ruin it for everyone else.
It's those that shop that ruin Boxing Day. Simple fact, if they did not make money they would not open.
8-) they wouldn't be shopping if it was shut.
Quote from: lucgeo on 19-12-19, 01:02PM
8-) if everyone refused to work Boxing Day and New Year's Day, then the store couldn't open. It's those that choose to, either by coercion, ignorant of their contract, or have tunnel vision, that ruin it for everyone else.
This is bang on!!!
Every year it was the same old story of lower level managers trying to coerce their staff into working so they wouldn't have to on boxing day. It got to the point where we would have to speak to the SM well before his managers tried to nobble the staff.
Sort yourself out do not blame others. There is holidays and sick leave if you can't be arsed working.
Boxing day is a bank holiday, christmas eve isn't. It's more the point where managers are breaking the law by coercing workers to work on those days. Tbf, the students will lap up their premium pennies on top of their p**s up wages.
Quote from: Mr Grumpy on 20-12-19, 08:33AM
Quote from: lucgeo on 19-12-19, 01:02PM
8-) if everyone refused to work Boxing Day and New Year's Day, then the store couldn't open. It's those that choose to, either by coercion, ignorant of their contract, or have tunnel vision, that ruin it for everyone else.
This is bang on!!!
Every year it was the same old story of lower level managers trying to coerce their staff into working so they wouldn't have to on boxing day. It got to the point where we would have to speak to the SM well before his managers tried to nobble the staff.
It's not the mangers fault. If the customers just stayed away the stores would be closed and we would get a proper 2 solid days off.
Quick question - if you opt out of Sundays can you still pick them up as overtime?
Thanks
yes