We have a notice up in our staff area regarding changes taking place on 3rd aug to make the shopping experience simpler anyone know what this is. I expect we will read about it on Sunday the secound in the mail on Sunday.
Huge reduction in hours across several departments
Losing 80 hrs on GM alone!! Nice way to say thank you after three months of hell !!!
All deli counters closing permanently. F&F losing 30% of hours. GM losing 50% of hours
Tesco head office: thanks for all your hard work over the Covid crisis you’ve all done a fantastic job, but you can all f*** off now.
Ps, the board appreciates the extra bonuses we got!!! But still f*** off somewhere else
newspaper hours being cut in my store and gm,crazy really as the displaced deli staff must be put somewhere
Tc1 what size store do you work in please ? Seems massive cuts , haven’t heard anything yet in our store
It's an extra, so will have a senior team and a manager managing three or four staff🤔
Any news on pi hours being cut? Never enough work in our store to keep the all the department hours.
Lay offs and cut backs all over the country , A lot to do with corvid , but also to do with many company's finding that they have got the jobs done with less staff than they have , I have a friend that works for a large IT support company that is cutting 50% staffing levels so its not just Tesco or retail ,,,,,,,,,,
It sounds like extra and superstore are being hit again. The loss of hours is huge in some cases. Had to say if it means redundancy or moving people to difetrent department. Shame.
Notsofunny. IT support is the lowest of the low in IT industry so i am not suprised they are cutting so much. But on the other hand i am learning to move job (into IT sector) and i am going thrue job vacansys. There ate many bussinesses who still recruit.
Tesco cuts on the cards covid or no covid it’s a 5 year 30 million bonus ! Made 2.2 billion last year and 1800 bakers got the boot in the middle of a pandemic
Quote from: notsofunny on 25-07-20, 07:50PM
Lay offs and cut backs all over the country , A lot to do with corvid , but also to do with many company's finding that they have got the jobs done with less staff than they have , I have a friend that works for a large IT support company that is cutting 50% staffing levels so its not just Tesco or retail ,,,,,,,,,,
No ones getting made redundant so who cares. We all have a job and during the current climate that can’t be a bad thing...if it is such a bad thing then quit and save everyone the earache of having to hear you moan about how hard done by you are and how Tesco “is the same it used to be to work forâ€...no it’s not, it would of gone bust a long time ago if it was and we’d all be out a job.
You might have to move department but we’re all paid the same so if you asked to go sit on a checkout then get on with it.
Quote from: lordadmiral on 25-07-20, 07:50PM
It sounds like extra and superstore are being hit again. The loss of hours is huge in some cases. Had to say if it means redundancy or moving people to difetrent department. Shame.
I work in a large metro, and we're having cuts too. Our bakery is having 40 of its hours cut (we'd already lost 50 hours last September) and other departments are being trimmed aswell, but not sure by how much.
if no ones getting made redundant ,and our shops losing 900 hours and counters closing , hows that work , not rocket science
They cant fill shop now let alone do dot com so if cutting hours is happening they might as well close a few stores .
Ahsda have you been told definitely no redundancies ? As with the cuts everyone’s saying about, are the other departments so short of hours to move people to ?
I doubt they'll have hours on other departments to give people (in my Extra for example). They've already trimmed other departments down to minimum. The only one that would probably have any hope of taking them on would be DotCom as they're always needing pickers.
However,
That would mean that someone working on GM on full-time hours for example would have to be able to be offered full-time hours on DotCom and also hours that are similar to ones they're already on and for the change of role to be reasonable for them. If that doesn't happen or the colleague doesn't agree to quite a big change in hours, role etc then by law it's redundancy.
What dept's now come under GM?
If you have worked for Tesco for a while you know they work
They use heat maps which is based on year dot information
It never works best for anyone except tesco as a company
So many already unemployed. Everyone is easy to replace
I'm not a big fan of working for tesco as they don't consider human rights. Basic ones
The will be doing fine without any of us
Skilled Rate fishmonger Job gone and told no redundancies and have to fit in hours as and where they can. How can this be right?
I think looking at the heat map we have some dept with short hours and others with over hours how ever the overs far out way the shorts. Some moving people to other depts other times does not solve anything.
Shells379, the alternative job role has to be a reasonable alternative (to both parties), I can't see how any job is a reasonable facsimile of being a skilled fishmonger.
A trade which you would like to continue to work in and maintain your skill level in, if they can't employ you in that trade or one, acceptable to you, as being very similar then you are redundant (if that is what you want).
contact union if in one and/or contact ACAS.
Is this for real or just opinions that's a lot of hrs being cut
So regarding the counters closing and staff not being offered redundancy as they are being absorbed into the other depts Union is saying they will not challenge this move as its keeping people in work rather than out even if the people want to leave and are going to be allocated to a physically difficult job and despite the knock on effect to people in store on flexi contracts and those who rely on overtime to survive who will now be reduced to basic hours and forced to find other work and/or visit the food bank...... Its the reality of life in Britain now I'm afraid and things will only get worse covid amongst other things has given employers a massive upper hand to do as they like and employment law will be further eroded and ignored in the near future by the just be thankful you have a job approach
There are according to today's press currently 100 people applying for every job. With that in mind most people would put up with any changes Tesco brings to their workplace
The point of closing counters and blending staff into other departments rather than making anyone redundant is a model many retailers may also be using.
the argument of skilled staff being offered unskilled work im not sure if that would be a redundency situation.
Not every one would want redundency if the payout is only going to be a couple of grand and no job
I'm not saying that there won't be any redundancies but they will be last resort.
They are expensive. It cheaper to pay protective pay.
A high percentage of people who take redundancy return after six months.
Skills/experience are lost.
Roles in express and metro are now more fluid. As in you can work in several Depts in a day, this has not arrived in the large stores yet but it's only a matter of time. For managers and colleagues.
Redundancy or not, is NOT a decision entirely up to the employer, alternative position must be reasonable in many aspects, and even more so if it involves skilled personnel who wish to continue in the trade they are qualified in.
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It all comes down to reasonable changes. Health and not being able to make changes trumps not wanting to. Skilled pay is protected and they can go down the protected pay route. The reality is that if a skilled role is being removed by the company they won't keep someone in that role because they don't want to move. Some may prefer to go down the protected pay route, I have done this myself. I did not want redundancy but changed job roles and for me I even moved store and with no regrets.
I suspects it will now become a longer process into redundancy. It will be case by case and not decided in store but by the legal team in head office. Not wanting the change will not be enough. There will have to be something else. Skilled pay could form part of this, as I'm not trained in law I don't know this. I just know that there are people who are trained in law who do work for the company. It will all land with them I suspect, case by case.
Bully for you however some may may not. You certainly seem to have a problem accepting some people should be and are entitled to be offered redundancy.
For some it is not enough for an employer to protect pay, a skilled worker is perfectly entitled to want to remain a skilled worker in their chosen profession and if their present employer cannot do that then they should be given the opportunity to continue their skilled profession elsewhere.
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Bully for you however some may may not. You certainly seem to have a problem accepting some people should be and are entitled to be offered redundancy.
For some it is not enough for an employer to protect pay, a skilled worker is perfectly entitled to want to remain a skilled worker in their chosen profession and if their present employer cannot do that then they should be given the opportunity to continue their skilled profession elsewhere.
if a skilled worker wanted to stay in there profession then a person can leave surely ,
Don’t know that you can argue a case for redundency the fact your pay is protected and you have a job.
Why have I not heard about this work on pi in an exta will our hrs be cut
surely there's a connection to this story?
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/online/tesco-shelves-peak-online-delivery-charges-in-favour-of-flat-fees/646669.article
https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/suitable-alternative-employment (https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/suitable-alternative-employment)
For many is redundancy at this moment a option? Thousands of people are being laid off from multiple industries so unless you get a mega payout or know where you can walk straight a new job a couple of thousand payoff from Tesco wont last long.
Think the plan is to move people off depts over hours into those currently under. (Don't forget often a sizeable number of colleagues leave Aug/Sept to go to college/uni or for new full time jobs and depts often hire in run up to xmas).
Likely to be moved on exact same days and hours and with protected pay if applicable, thereby ending most reasons for claims. Whilst in some limited circumstances you may well be able to claim redundancy, in the majority I suspect any court/tribunal would consider Tesco actions perfectly reasonable in these times.
To the average man in the street retail is retail and there isn't a fundamental difference between putting GM stock on the shelf to filling frozen or working a till.
Probably a lot easier if someone is doing 16 hours a week but if you have a few full-timers on GM then how often lately have stores been dishing out full-time contracts on any department? Tesco are going to struggle here with some of the old-timers who will probably do very well out of redundancy on full-time contracts.
So they'll say " no redundancies" and again push, cajole or bully full timers to drop hours or risk being sacked..as now showing a year later with the same people affected, but they are on less hours which can more easily be absorbed into the store, covering different departments. Those who do eventually get redundancy, will be calculated on a lot less hours than 14 months ago.
You could say that’s exactly what Tesco went for, to decrease the redundancy payouts
From what I remember from when they changed D/M in Express role , the option was change to the new role on less pay with a lump sum for X months
Or to take redundancy ,
No protected pay like it was years ago ,
Those like me with many many years service went for the Redundancy and are sitting about happy with the way it went
Others left and found new jobs with a redundancy pay to help out ,
Some having taken the Lump sum for X months moved into the new role , but most regret it ,
But that was then , this time around like someone said with not many jobs are around its going to be the worst time to decide what to do ,
I do think they will offer Redundancy since they will want to wipe the slate clean as they have been doing over the last few years ,
Small pay out then stick it out till you find something ,
Large payout ,, take the money since end of the day you will or should at least be able to find a part time job ,
And any one expecting help from the Union ,,, Forget it they have already sold out ,,,,,,,,,,
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Hello please can anyone tell me what time do the news & mags person start each day and how many hours do you do in a superstore thanks
6am till 9am every day
6am in my store and they do a 3 hour shift 6am-9am no break,they check in delivery,put out papers/mags and do mag returns,Nights do newspaper returns
Quote from: londoner83 on 26-07-20, 08:12PM
There are according to today's press currently 100 people applying for every job. With that in mind most people would put up with any changes Tesco brings to their workplace
Jobs in a soon to open KFC near where I live apparently had over a thousand people applying for each job, read a story in the paper the other day about a hotel having something like 400 people applying for a temporary job, and its only going to get worse as the furlough system starts to come to an end. As much as people might want a redundency pay out or want to not be moved say from counters to a shop floor job staying put right now could well be the best advice right now.
It could, but it depends on a great many factors not only but including an individuals personal financial position and the redundancy package.
Having been made redundant several times during economic downturns, where the actual skill is no longer valid, surplus to requirements, it can be better to take the money and move on to pastures new, except your no longer wanted, in blunt terms.
The truth is that a lot of these skilled jobs baker fishmonger butcher etc no longer exist outside of the supermarket trade and to want to keep your skill intact may well be difficult and an alternative unskilled job in another department with payprotection may be considered reasonable by a tribunal.
I tend to agree.
If Tesco is ensuring you remain on the same hours and days, is protecting your pay, is ensuring you remain in the same branch and the only change is that rather than being a butcher or fishmonger (which it can probably prove is unfortunately a dying and unprofitable business in many stores) you are instead now asked to fill fresh would the average man or woman in the street say Tesco has been totally unreasonable?
Just reasonable for them to say 'here's another position you may want to consider'.
However:
Skilled employees should be offered redundancy and thereby the opportunity to continue employment elsewhere in their chosen skilled trade.
The employee's decision not the company's. Supposed facts along with ifs, buts and maybes can be thrown in but it does not change the above.
Would SMs (not saying that's skilled) be happy not to be offered redundancy because they were given a position filling fresh, yea course they would, NOT ;D
My understanding is that the company is just no longer opening with redundancy being mentioned. It's not completely off the table it's just further down the list after establishing that a colleague can't be matched to another role.
It has cost a fortune and a lot of people have come back so they are now seeing if more can be done to find alternative roles. After this it goes higher, out of store. This protects those who want to stay as the store now needs to work harder to find suitable roles. If nothing can be found it is then independent people that review.
Jesus £4.50-£5.50 a slot, that’s one way to kill off dotcom
The thing is that if stores are significantly over hours moving people to depts that are under hours is not going to solve the problem the only way to ensure the store gets to target is to bully people until they resign ( this is getting more difficult to achieve due to the current unemployment figures) target people who are on final warnings hoping they will step over the line ( if it were me I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction)
Or wholesale redundancy.
They should just bite the bullet so to speak and offer redundancies voluntary so what if you lose skilled people others may well want to step in or it’s an opportunity to multi skill new people on less hours because there will be a lot of takers especially full timers coming to the end of their careers with the amount of people looking for jobs they won’t have any problem replacing those who leave.
I think in the next few weeks Tesco stores up and down the country will fall over with the amount of hours being cut on nights and days!! Is this going to be the new norm?
Quote from: Hammer10 on 31-07-20, 10:53AM
They should just bite the bullet so to speak and offer redundancies voluntary so what if you lose skilled people others may well want to step in or it’s an opportunity to multi skill new people on less hours because there will be a lot of takers especially full timers coming to the end of their careers with the amount of people looking for jobs they won’t have any problem replacing those who leave.
You'd think wouldn't you?? But the problem is that Tesco have been so blinkered in the past, that they culled a lot of highly trained, long serving CA 's who took the knowledge with them. One of tesco's core values was "share the knowledge" but there are so many things not now known by newer colleagues, that everyone struggles. They can't train people things they don't know! I doubt many SM's or senior team know how to use a PDA or acces all the functions available on it! Stock control is the core of the business, yet it's teams are treated as spare parts to support other dept's.
Yes getting stock on shelves, and putting through checkout is of the upmost necessity, but if you can't get the stock under control, there ends up little choice, and high waste %.
God, being used as a spare part is part of stock control surely? I swear I signed in my contract I'll be everyone else's bitch or something. Regularly when doing potential reductions we're asked to help with final reductions, colleague shop, charity etc. You don't mind helping out but being pushed every night to help other departments can get a bit tedious shall I say.
Lack of training too is a big issue, people seem to be half trained and have to guess and teach themselves what to do, which makes for interesting times
I hope it isn't going to be the new norm, but who knows?
Part of me wonders if they are axing hours like there's no tomorrow as a result of the 'bonus' most of us received for three months. Heaven forbid those at the top sacrifice some of their salary :D.
Quote from: Siwel123 on 31-07-20, 08:08PM
God, being used as a spare part is part of stock control surely? I swear I signed in my contract I'll be everyone else's bitch or something. Regularly when doing potential reductions we're asked to help with final reductions, colleague shop, charity etc. You don't mind helping out but being pushed every night to help other departments can get a bit tedious shall I say.
Lack of training too is a big issue, people seem to be half trained and have to guess and teach themselves what to do, which makes for interesting times
Let's get it right stock control have been treated like s***,biggest laugh now is they probably realise what we use to do with limited hours help isn't that easy anymore.Joke of a company.The experience I've got will certainly not be shared.Taken for granted,used and abused.Nope Tesco can get stuffed.
Is it true that manager cuts are coming? I've been told "in confidence" that superstores are losing managers too...
Let’s hope so overpaid shelf fillers .
Or the in the case of Store Managers and their buddies, just highly paid. What are Deputies for? I think ours is lazy and nasty.
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My "opinion" on here of course, but i think you'd find that sentiment is shared by all those i work with. But I'm fine with the edit. I've heard they're all going too anyway, but naturally you need to be very careful who you trust in our work environment.
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Quote from: Siwel123 on 31-07-20, 08:08PM
God, being used as a spare part is part of stock control surely? I swear I signed in my contract I'll be everyone else's bitch or something. Regularly when doing potential reductions we're asked to help with final reductions, colleague shop, charity etc. You don't mind helping out but being pushed every night to help other departments can get a bit tedious shall I say.
Lack of training too is a big issue, people seem to be half trained and have to guess and teach themselves what to do, which makes for interesting times
Let's get it right stock control have been treated like s***,biggest laugh now is they probably realise what we use to do with limited hours help isn't that easy anymore.Joke of a company.The experience I've got will certainly not be shared.Taken for granted,used and abused.Nope Tesco can get stuffed.
Same in our store. New workers are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo useless that it is unbeliveable. Stock control or PI who come early morning must catch up with work.
And i ende up in office for having a go at managers for doing f*** all, not delivering traing to new one and lettim them get away with so littlo work. Ridiculous.
I’ve found those who do the accusing are c**p themselves.
I'm one of the temporary staff brought in during March when everything went beserk. We have all been given a weeks notice and sent on our way.
OK I fully accept, I'm temporary and should go before any permanent staff.
But up until a week ago, SM etc were saying that there was "100%" work for us until the new year... based on about 50% of the temps leaving in August anyway, the remainder of us would drop to 7.5 hours for Sept/Oct (pick up overtime where possible to cover holidays etc) and then effectively take the role that the christmas temps would have during Nov/Dec. Seemed like a reasonable way of keeping people on rather than getting rid of us and having to bring in more temps later in the year.
One of the lead managers pointed out that this was a silly move as they don't know how many of the vulnerable people (age etc) may choose to drop hours or even not come back at all... or if there's a second wave coming.
Ah well I have learnt in the last 5 months that logic doesn't always apply !!!
As you have been there more than 12 weeks you are all entitled to 4 weeks notice from Tesco. Go see your manager and tell him/her to check Tesco Policies.
Quote from: Jackanory on 01-08-20, 09:24PM
I’ve found those who do the accusing are c**p themselves.
No,the new reality is it is c**p.Pathetic training,lost experience useless managers......the list goes on.Toxic all round.
I just wish I could give the full details of what is going on with managers in my store right now, the scandalous amount of money being wasted on them in this current climate is just making people's blood boil. Over 40hrs per week currently being thrown at two managers filling one position that soon won't even exist. Where is this money coming from?
Tesco will use covid to their advantage.
Firstly with multiple people shielding at the start of the outbreak the stores took way more money with less colleagues and less management actually in the business. Anyone looking at profit would gather we can do more for less.
When forlough ends the government is going to fully fund wages till after Xmas of people on apprenticeships. Now it dont take a genius to predict Tesco will use this scheme until the New Year to get free labour.
With record unemployment forecast if I was in charge I would introduce now any restructuring thats currently in the pipeline. Doris on F+F is far more likely (as a example) to accept up a new frozen/trollies/F+F job share across multiple sites now knowing if she is laid off she may not work for months/years.
Has anyone heard if there will be an announcement about senior team restructure? Is it 3rd August?
Can't really see any announcements coming tomorrow. Pretty sure that if there was that something would have been leaked by now.
I agree this is a 'good time' as far as management are concerned to restructure (seen in several companies, airlines in particular) as people are more willing to accept it right now.
Equally other changes which they probably wanted to make eg counters, reducing 24h stores etc, will now be done under the grounds of covid as less likely to result in protest!
It doesn't take an idiot to realise that the trading of March this year was unique, and was due to panic buying. This is unlikely to be repeated; people have seen that even in a lockdown situation there is still plenty opportunity to buy food - and delivery services have been beefed up. No sensible manager could ever assume that they can run their business like that forever....
Quote from: londoner83 on 02-08-20, 12:52PM
Tesco will use covid to their advantage.
Firstly with multiple people shielding at the start of the outbreak the stores took way more money with less colleagues and less management actually in the business. Anyone looking at profit would gather we can do more for less.
When forlough ends the government is going to fully fund wages till after Xmas of people on apprenticeships. Now it dont take a genius to predict Tesco will use this scheme until the New Year to get free labour.
With record unemployment forecast if I was in charge I would introduce now any restructuring thats currently in the pipeline. Doris on F+F is far more likely (as a example) to accept up a new frozen/trollies/F+F job share across multiple sites now knowing if she is laid off she may not work for months/years.
Every company will take advantage of the situation,
And when a lot of Tesco staff went off Tesco also recrutied over 30 thousand , as well as having no limit to overtime ,
As to The apprenticeships , cant find any place that says Gove is paying the full wage as well as that Supermarkets will be able to take them on , or that this will allow company's to take on staff for only 4 months without conditions,,, after all 2 million out of jobs wont be covered by this
DL in a statemnt stated that the company had spent £800m on the covid what with ppe ,temps overtime etc and he stated that this will be offset by the panic buying and the cut in rates for this year.
This statement is ok except the panic buying will not bear much fruit as the restricted customer flow will kill any gains and some items bulk purchased will have its onwn knockon effect of buying in the coming months will fall off.
I see another round of restructuring coming on.
I think it is proberbly a good time for change of ceo for DL a least ,the city will see him for the Man that turned around tesco the new leader will have an uphill struggle to get anywhere near previous profits i recon.
We've been told F&F will be closing their fitting rooms at 5pm daily now even though the department will stay open until 10pm which seems bizarre and that GM will be closing at 8pm every evening. No idea how they plan to fence off GM from the rest of the store. Doesn't sound like any of it has been thought through.
Sounds completely logical, they are idiots.🙄
Calvin 93 what size store are you please robe shutting gm at 8 ?
we are an extra, that is what makes it even more bizarre
So much for a big announcement 8-)
Doesn’t it normally get leaked first 🤨
the only change in my store besides the deli not re-opening was hours cut on gm and newspapers hours,so I guess these changes were store specific
Our clothing F&F section has ended up being 100 over. No one seems to know how that is possible. So they will need to find new departments for at least four of the staff who work there I think and with every department other than dot com being over as well I cant see how it will work.
think they are counting on fact thaf come Sept a lot of colleagues leave to start college, uni or full time jobs. Can't see any recruitment being allowed
Stores won’t be able to function get the popcorn ready👌.
Every department in our store is over apart from stock control. Which as everyone knows is the worst job in the store and the job where they only send those who are seen as weaklings.
The whole no redundancy thing is a lie. They are going to put people into consultation and if they don't take refused hours they will be gone. That's how it is. They want everyone on flexis so if you aren't on a flexis you are who this is all aimed at.
Err....think you may want to rephrase your comment about stock control staff :thumbdown:
I was a stockie, so if you think lugging stock on and off capping shelves, working a full cage of any dept, counting stock in a freezing warehouse at 5 am, with only the thought of a hot cooked brekkie in 3 hours to keep you going, covering checkout calls ( the only time you get to sit down whilst working) watching them sneak their staff off for their breaks first, who's shift started hours after you, rumble, then getting it in the neck if you haven't finished your routines at the end of play..I suggest you go give it a try, see how long you last ???
Weaklings....my arse >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 13-08-20, 11:33AM
Every department in our store is over apart from stock control. Which as everyone knows is the worst job in the store and the job where they only send those who are seen as weaklings.
The whole no redundancy thing is a lie. They are going to put people into consultation and if they don't take refused hours they will be gone. That's how it is. They want everyone on flexis so if you aren't on a flexis you are who this is all aimed at.
Sounds like you were too weak for stock control.
All departments over except dotcom and PFS here I think. 600 hours in total to be lost I think... 20 staff.
Staff being shuffled around left/right/centre with an assurance that there will be no redundancies, plan is to put a lot of them into dotcom to soak up the hours. Or if they are on old contracts and won't change then move others into dotcom and backfill with them.
Which essentially means a lot of upheaval and grief... personally I think they are hoping that people will dislike being moved around and will quit.
That being said though I was talking to somebody who for about a year now has been trying to reduce their hours for family reasons and is told that they can't as there's nobody to take their shifts.....?!
As said above I assume a certain number will leave around September due to uni/college etc although with the current economic situation turnover right down (apparently on average people leaving accounts for 250 hours in 3 months, in that time we have lost 60....)
They won’t do redundancy Covid has give them the excuse not too and legally they don’t have too bakers were the last of the lucky ones
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 13-08-20, 11:33AM
Every department in our store is over apart from stock control. Which as everyone knows is the worst job in the store and the job where they only send those who are seen as weaklings.
The whole no redundancy thing is a lie. They are going to put people into consultation and if they don't take refused hours they will be gone. That's how it is. They want everyone on flexis so if you aren't on a flexis you are who this is all aimed at.
Moving people around the store is just a paper shuffle job, In the past where a dept is over hours on a particular day / hour all they have done is transfered someone on paper to balance the depts although now with the tablet this may be more difficult.
In reality surely it's all about reducing payroll.
Quote from: Monkeyman999 on 13-08-20, 10:28PM
They won’t do redundancy Covid has give them the excuse not too and legally they don’t have too bakers were the last of the lucky ones Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 13-08-20, 11:33AM
Every department in our store is over apart from stock control. Which as everyone knows is the worst job in the store and the job where they only send those who are seen as weaklings.
The whole no redundancy thing is a lie. They are going to put people into consultation and if they don't take refused hours they will be gone. That's how it is. They want everyone on flexis so if you aren't on a flexis you are who this is all aimed at.
If contracted hours are reduced and different times of work are being mandated then unless its agreed with by the effected they are entitled to redundancy unless they can provide changes that pass the reasonability test.
with reference to the previous comment about flexi contracts, that does seem to be the vibe at our store too.
I'm not on a flexi contract - I have not been asked recently to go onto a flexi contract - in the past few years when we've had pay increases implemented and this has created an updated contract I have noticed they've tried to switch me to flexi without asking/informing.
So the bottom line is:
Let's say my current contracted hours are Monday 900-1700 and Friday 900-1700.
If they asked/tried to force me to go to a flexi contract and I simply indicated my availability was the above hours, what difference would it make?
They can ask :D
Any attempt to force or change contract to flexi without your knowledge is against T&Cs and should be grievanced as such, under that heading.
The rumours at our store are also about wanting everyone on flexis. Going to be interesting to see what trick they pull to get people on 30 hours to go down to 15 hour flexis but if they aren't making redundancies and need to lose hours its the only logical option.
Surely Acas should be looking into Tesco practises,I think the main reason so many cut backs is because they are going to lose the court cases between stores and distribution and the pay difference.
Quote from: newguy20 on 13-08-20, 06:15PM
All departments over except dotcom and PFS here I think. 600 hours in total to be lost I think... 20 staff.
Staff being shuffled around left/right/centre with an assurance that there will be no redundancies, plan is to put a lot of them into dotcom to soak up the hours. Or if they are on old contracts and won't change then move others into dotcom and backfill with them.
Which essentially means a lot of upheaval and grief... personally I think they are hoping that people will dislike being moved around and will quit.
That being said though I was talking to somebody who for about a year now has been trying to reduce their hours for family reasons and is told that they can't as there's nobody to take their shifts.....?!
As said above I assume a certain number will leave around September due to uni/college etc although with the current economic situation turnover right down (apparently on average people leaving accounts for 250 hours in 3 months, in that time we have lost 60....)
Assurance of redundancies is their way to kid people that redundancy isn't an option.
If they can't offer you your present contracted hours or match your availability, without your agreement to either take a drop in hours or change your availability,then it is a redundancy situation.
RHRP is a tweaking of hours, and a two hour window either side would not be deemed unreasonable. So if you were to accept a shift change this time, there is nothing to stop them tweaking your new hours in a couple of months. Also check your new contract before signing, ensure that a change of contract hasn't been slipped in i.e. permanent to flexi.
My department is going to be horrendous next week. We have one group of 19 - 30 year olds and a second group of 40 to 60+
the second group are all on 30 hours. the first group all flexis, but the second group are not going to give up hours or move department without a fight so us flexis are probably going to be the ones screwed over unless management realise we are more viable to the department than they are.
They should just pay people on flexis an extra £1 per hour. Problem solved.
How would that solve anything at all, why should people on older contracts be paid less than those on newer contracts
Quote from: Katarn2000 on 14-08-20, 10:22AM
They should just pay people on flexis an extra £1 per hour. Problem solved.
Lets not start a debate on the question of equal pay for work of equal worth, I think there is one on here somewhere.
I have worked for the company for 30 years therefore I do not have to be till trained but can I be made to work on com? I have worked on Non food for 26years but looks like we are going to lose a lot of hours on non food.
yes you can be made to work on .com im afraid it was never part of the partnership agreement about checkout multiskilling from 2005
"I have worked for the company for 30 years therefore I do not have to be till trained"
Correct.
https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=6656.0 (https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=6656.0)
Logically it should be the heatmap who chooses which members if any have to move. Its done that way to avoid looking like manager favouritism. If you are on a flexi with full availability and a perfect score on attendance etc you should be fine.
At our store they are letting go of the final dot com temps in a few weeks to make way for moves yet no consultation has started yet so if they just randomly do decide to move several people to dot com without warning I can predict the management of our store won't know whats hit them because that is not how its supposed to be done. The process of moving people from department to department is not supposed to be done this way but you have to watch Tesco not to try and pull a fast one. If you are in a store which is doing this log everything, ask for copies of the heatmap and fight your corner.
My irk with our store is that we have many colleagues past their retirement age on full time or long hour permanent contracts. They are in receipt of their state pension yet are willing to see more capable younger members forced off departments just to accommodate them. You must all fight for You and only you.
Your irk is commonplace in most stores...I was working, and looking forward to finishing at 60...then they moved the goalposts and raised the retirement age >:( I was ready to go, and grabbed redundancy with both hands, otherwise there's no way I could have managed the few extra years I had left with no income.
I believe there should have been a government initiative for a job share scheme put in place...for older workers affected by the retirement age rise, to share their full time contract with a younger unemployed person...both subsidised with a top up working credit allowance...then the younger worker would have gained employment and experience, and the elder's workload would have eased significantly.
I always found that those who had received their pension before the age increase benchmark, tended to moan about the more tax they paid, moan about how the store had gone downhill, moan how tired they were, yet always grabbed all the Sunday overtime!! I did ask one once, why they continued to work,when they were getting a pension, and work pension? " I'd be bored at home" afraid I lost it and told them there was young people bored at home, no money and wanting to work, but being denied the opportunity by job hoggers >:(
There was also the ones who had dropped hours over the years. Those hours were never replaced, so the store gradually became mainly staffed by part timers, and any vacancies for full timers were management only.
I have daily availability from 9am to 10pm so couldn't really do the dot com early 4am and 6am starts but there are others on my department who can. This is where it gets annoying because those who can do the dot com early starts are the ones in red on the heatmap. My shifts bar one are all amber or green so I'm really hoping I'm not gonna be forced out of the department so those in red can take my shifts and I get sent to dot com or worse still..... stock control
I will be so annoyed.
Quote from: lucgeo on 16-08-20, 09:32AMafraid I lost it and told them there was young people bored at home, no money and wanting to work, but being denied the opportunity by job hoggers >:(
You vented your anger at the wrong people. I hope you got told to keep your neb out of other peoples' business.
That's a very ageist comment to make, there are laws to protect people from comments like that. A great many of these people were expecting to retire and have even passed the age they had expected to retire but the retirement age has changed. I don't know what age you are expected to retire yourself but I expect it's higher than many of these people in work that you are complaining about. My retirement age is 66 and I have a few years to go yet but I know of some not far off me in age that have to work later than that.
Some people have to work beyond retirement age as the pension they have is not enough to live on. Some work to fund holidays. Some work for the company. There is not a one case fits all. Some may say it's for company or for holidays but they might not want to say it's because they can't afford to retire. Some pension pots have been plundered so there is no choice. So many different reasons, that don't have to be explained.
I wonder who the oldest person working for Tesco is? we have a 75 year old working in ours. I think when you get to 70 you should be having regular medicals to declare how fit you are because at 75 I view this person as a disaster waiting to happen.
As long as people are healthy and able to get the job done age should not be an issue.
Don't get me wrong if you are capable then go for it but at 75 should you really be trusted to pull out cages? one slip and we aren't exactly talking one week off, it would be more like six months. I surprised Tesco haven't fought hard to get all over 65 plus on checkouts for 'light duties'.
From a 74 year old :D
And all the young people who don't know (in 10 seconds) what (7x8)+(9x3) is without an electronic device, 8% of £450.00, the difference between there and their or cant and can't. Should be on nights sweeping the floor :P
Not to mention managers, managers' and manager's :'(
Excuse my rant.
@gomezz
It was a PERSON...not PEOPLE! Who was nearing 70, drawing state pension...private pension, wage and continually moaning they hated the job and was being crippled in tax, but would be bored at home! The same person who made the obligatory sympathy noises when the young father on the same dept was being made redundant, due to loss of hours on dept.
@ Redshoes
There seems to be laws for everything these days...and the majority of the time it's the do gooders, who aren't even of the category, that shout the loudest. Did you actually read my post?? Where it states my aging years?
I have been on the receiving end of many comments myself over the years...age...weight..race etc...most were good humoured and taken in the same vein...those that weren't were soon put right.
A lot of the old codgers who worked at Tesco as a ca when I was there had very different careers in the past such as marine biologist or chemistry teacher. I would guess the percentage of Tesco lifers in the company who are over 60 years old would be in the very small minority (I don't think it gets much more depressing than serving 20+ years at Tesco without a promotion etc but kudos to those who managed it), but the fact still stands that a lot of the older people who are working there are doing so not because it's their career, but to give them something to do, a bit of extra money before retirement.
It’s not all what it cracks up to be as a manager I stepped down long ago before all this c**p life so much easier now just do your job and gO home .
Quote from: Nomad on 16-08-20, 01:13PM
From a 74 year old :D
And all the young people who don't know (in 10 seconds) what (7x8)+(9x3) is without an electronic device, 8% of £450.00, the difference between there and their or cant and can't. Should be on nights sweeping the floor :P
Not to mention managers, managers' and manager's :'(
Excuse my rant.
I must be young since i still fail to correct my , there or their as to the sums ,,,,,, ;D ;D and i am coming to be 60
I've not heard any of this?
Concerned hearing here about the GM cuts. I only work 7 hours week but from September onwards overtime for GM skyrocketed as Christmas stock slowly comes out.
From November you can't even catch your breath in my store..
Let's say I had to listen to 3 customers at once with difference questions and none respected I was already talking to a customer. Luckily I managed to hear all 3 and get them sorted in timely manner etc.
What cuts are happening on GM as September to January in my store at the mad busiest.
Right now there's only myself for half the shift before a colleague starts later. It's hard enough doing half a shift all by myself for ENTIRE GM area. (8 aisles) especially bad last year at Christmas time on my own until my other colleague comes in.
In the past there was 3 of us. And as my contract is only that day they move shift of one of the other colleagues already (who worked full time) as they were already cutting hours. (so seems my shift is safe as its one day a week but as in past other colleagues have moved away or shifted to different day after someone getting cut... I worry I'll be on my own for the entire shift coming to the busiest time of the year as propel shop for Christmas. (last year we Had NOBODY new in to help us)
Its the same here, our GM and F&F departments are going to be gutted out of all capable staff just as we approach the busiest time of the year for both depts. None of the decisions being made have been made with knowledge of how things happen on the floor. They will hit a brick wall soon and departments just won't be able to function.
some of the gm people in my store have gone off sick to try to avoid getting moved in the restructuring,but they are only delaying the process,it will still happen
All seems pretty desperate,getting rid of too many key people and what experienece is left they've upset off.Clutching at straws.
GM is going. Just Tesco is doing it in phases.
Our GM still makes money but the department is massive and we only have 10 department members now. Out of those 10 only four of us are on flexis. This is the problem, they have no where to put those on fixed contracts because its 30 hours but know they can't rid the department of flexis. How this is going to work without us all going into consultation I don't know