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Very Little Helps => Corona (temp) => Topic started by: Smeebob on 03-04-20, 10:49PM

Title: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Smeebob on 03-04-20, 10:49PM
I just need to let off a bit of steam... One of the people that work in our cash office has been tested for coronavirus due to having family that work in the hospital. They are off work for the foreseeable future. However, our front end team leaders who have been working in close contact for hours at a time in a small office with the cash office worker are not being told to self-isolate.
It’s stressful enough having to work in these times without the extra stress of being around people that have a high chance of carrying the virus... Members of my family have compromised immune systems and it’s just an incredibly worrying time.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 03-04-20, 11:19PM
I do think the guidelines say that unless the person in cash office tested positive,  then the people working with them would not need to self isolate unless they displayed symptoms  .
But yes I would also be very worried,  make sure you social distance from them , well everyone really ,  get out of your uniform and shower before coming into contact with your family when you get home  .
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: lucgeo on 04-04-20, 08:44AM
Were they not 2m distancing whilst in the cash office? If not why not! I know these cash offices are windowless, so anything airborne is circulating. I am also wary of how air con is everywhere you go circulating the air through out the building!
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Smeebob on 04-04-20, 03:21PM
No, according to one of the team leaders there was no distancing in the office. It’s bizarre to me that grown adults are not adhering to social distancing when there’s no managers around. There’s also additional worry amongst the staff over how long the cash office worker knew that there was a chance that they could be carrying the virus before they decided to notify management.. We’ve voiced our concerns to management but they just seem to be more worried about getting customers in, not the fact that our store could be spreading the virus to said customers...
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: lucgeo on 04-04-20, 06:35PM
And is the 2m distancing now being adhered you? Tesco should be ensuring all their colleagues are working at approved distances, and each store SM and managers have a duty of care to adapt each dept and office, bringing in the accepted practice!
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Jasperjakes on 04-04-20, 08:18PM
No social distancing for nights in our superstore. In fact with all the agency staff and temporary staff they've taken on we are have loads more people in store at night than usual. To enter the store at night you wouldn't know there was a pandemic. No alcohol hand gel, no gloves, not even the tesco gloves. All going on behind closed doors with not one manager trying to separate people even slightly.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Red75 on 04-04-20, 08:55PM
I'm concerned. I live with my mother who is in an at risk group. I would hate to pass on the virus to her. I'm concerned that the company is not doing enough to keep us safe. We're regularly within two metres of customers. It's unavoidable. The aisles are barely two metres wide. I always get as far to the side as I can when I see a customer. We have no protective equipment. While there is someone on the door they don't seem to be counting people coming in and out. There's no clear policy on how many people can be in the store at any time as far as I'm aware. It seems to me that there are two many customers being allowed in especially when compared to the policies of other retailers Those of us living with at risk people have no option to furlough. I understand M&S have given their staff an option to furlough. I appreciate the 10% bonus but it doesn't seem enough for the risk we are taking. This might all seem OK but it will stop being OK if someone gets seriously ill.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Horrendous123 on 05-04-20, 11:09AM
We are in the middle of a pandemic yet some staff including managers think social distancing is a joke. Staff do NOT need to be within a couple of feet of one another to talk or work stock. It is not necessary to nearly walk hand in hand or congregate around coffee machines/ staff fridges etc at the same time. At our store we continue to have staff briefings at the start of the night where all members of staff congregate in a limited space - average space 3 feet between most people. There are markings on the shop floor to encourage/ instruct customers to stay 2 metres apart and there is a shiny new TV ad showing how social distancing is so important. Yet these instructions are not followed or encouraged by staff. Although it is not always possible to stay 2 metres apart I think Tesco should be encouraging/ promoting staff to keep a better social distance. I will no longer be attending staff meetings at the beginning of the night and will suggest breaks are staggered more to limit congregation of large groups of staff gathering at one time. Everyone has a personal responsibility to increase social distance where possible and being ignorant isn't a excuse. All people have to do is wash their hands more and social distance but yet a lot people struggle and find it a joke in and out of Tesco.
I work at a superstore. What are other peoples experiences? by the way this isn't a post to rant at people, but I believe this is a very important subject not only in Tesco but anywhere and lazy/ ignorant behaviour needs to be challenged
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Tinkerbell1234 on 05-04-20, 01:16PM
Need help, I am self isolated GP advised 14 days my manager called for update I told him I'm unwell and still have symptoms I have an outstanding disciplinary from Feb 9th   he told me I will get a letter giving 7 days notice so will be week on Monday, should this not be discussed when I return to work not while off sick its not that serious because I put cigs behind till when delivery came in also because I have requested to move store as can't take it any more.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: King1999 on 05-04-20, 09:52PM
The company did my social distancing for me last year they got rid of everybody............nice for your mental health.👌
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-04-20, 09:59AM
Quote from: Bubbles1234 on 05-04-20, 01:16PM
Need help, I am self isolated GP advised 14 days my manager called for update I told him I'm unwell and still have symptoms I have an outstanding disciplinary from Feb 9th   he told me I will get a letter giving 7 days notice so will be week on Monday, should this not be discussed when I return to work not while off sick its not that serious because I put cigs behind till when delivery came in also because I have requested to move store as can't take it any more.

The manager can't invite you to an investigation during periods of self isolation signed off by a sick note (make sure you photograph the sick note so the manager can't claim to "misplace it".) If the manager is threatening you with disciplinary action for insubordination, grievance to the PM under HSE violation.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Tinkerbell1234 on 06-04-20, 11:23AM
I have an outstanding disciplinary from feb was postpond due to the coronavirus i self isolated for 7 days dr advised me to isolate for the 14 days as i am still coughing and not well dr said you dont need a note its self certifcate  so when manager called for update he told me will get letter giving 7 days note and he got a rep hes not even doing it its another manager i told him i felt that should wait till i have returned to work he said no part of returning to work i sent email to people manager and area manager said i would like to start fresh in another store as dont feel safe due what happened before they recommended i start fresh yesterday manager mentioned it to me and asked if area manager called me i said no that pm messaged me to say she got email hes response was good good good just want to have no communication with him as i have anxiety
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Tinkerbell1234 on 06-04-20, 11:44AM
So many mistakes were done in investigation i was not given second invite letter manager said was put in my folder the person that left the cigs unattended is being protected and list goes on manager got hes mate to do disciplinary so can all be covered up i now have another who is dealing with it  so he is the one tbat should be communicating with me manager should have nothing to do with it
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 05-08-20, 10:17AM
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/staff-tesco-store-coventry-test-18714809 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/staff-tesco-store-coventry-test-18714809)

QuoteStaff at the Tesco store at Coventry's Arena Park have tested positive for coronavirus, the food giant has confirmed.

The say that the "safety of our colleagues and customers is our number one priority" and they are currently liaising with health officials over the outbreak.

The number of staff to have tested positive for Covid-19 is unknown and the store remains open as normal.

Safety first ! Should the store be closed ?

They closed the store in Martins Heron, Bracknell I believe due to covid-19 outbreak.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Hammer10 on 05-08-20, 10:21AM
If there are a lot of people positive then yes they should close it .
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: lalaland on 05-08-20, 04:10PM
The store at Martins Heron was not closed 3 night staff tested positive last month and several of the others were off after being contacted by test and trace. There were quite a few agency staff bought in to cover the night team absences. Management tried to hush it up but it was posted anonymously on a local Facebook group so SM then went round to staff giving them a pep talk about how Tesco were doing everything they could and had been given a top rating by Health England .

[admin]I stand corrected, thank you.[/admin]
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: King1999 on 05-08-20, 06:22PM
Yeah cutting hours,a list of self help lines generally washing their hands of all accountability the usual c**p I would think.Top rating on the back of staff I would add.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 06-08-20, 12:47AM
I thought all staff now had the right to a test ?? Also if you believe that you have been in close contact with someone that has tested positive for a sustained amount of time it is up to you to 1) self isolate  and/or 2) get a test ? Do people need Tesco to tell them , permit them , advise them to get a test ?
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: King1999 on 06-08-20, 04:48AM
I thought the store would also have to be shut and deep cleaned,funny other sectors do this,not heard a Tosco shut yet because of this.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 06-08-20, 10:31AM
As an essential business are they allowed to close , would there not need to be a cluster of cases before they were to close a store . If they are the only supermarket for a couple of miles then it would be bad for the community if it closed .
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: King1999 on 06-08-20, 12:07PM
I thought any cluster of cases warranted a closer and deep clean,not sure just seems like eberythonh else alot of mixed messages.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 06-08-20, 02:28PM
I would agree that a cluster and all businesses should have to close but I think (and could be wrong)  that a cluster is at least 3 cases and I imagine that would have to be in a certain time period  .
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-08-20, 02:43PM
Was supposed to be more than 2, got about 11 in One near and 3 in ours, just told to keep working and if any doubts get a test but jeep coming into work while you wait
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: dotnochance on 07-08-20, 03:54PM
Who every made that decision to make staff come into work while waiting for their test results need a kick in the head, or at least a hand shake with an update telling them at you are waiting for you’re results
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 07-08-20, 06:21PM
@oldfashionplayer , is that 11 and 3 all at one time or from beginning of lockdown . If all at one time and they've tested positive  then track and trace should be closing the store . If even 3 people tested positive in one store  at the same time I would've thought track and trace would've been on to it . There was a cluster in a meat processing factory near me and  track and trace highlighted it and the h&s department  were in within a day or 2 .Still dont think they actually closed it though
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 07-08-20, 06:57PM
same time, they aren't closing anything, just told to keep going... we been told unless track and trace contact us instore we are to continue working.  the 3 were same day, the 11 were through the week.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 08-08-20, 08:47AM
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/covid-case-confirmed-second-tesco-18736685 (https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/covid-case-confirmed-second-tesco-18736685)

QuoteThe supermarket giant today (Friday) confirmed that a worker at the store at Cannon Park shopping centre has Covid-19 and the store is following the advice of Public Health authorities.

The news comes just days after Tesco stated that nine staff members at its Arena Park store in Coventry also had the virus.

Not 2-3, nine  :o
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 12-08-20, 11:29AM
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/tesco/swindon-tesco-extra-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-among-staff/647278.article (https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/tesco/swindon-tesco-extra-hit-by-coronavirus-outbreak-among-staff/647278.article)
QuoteStaff testing positive or showing symptoms would immediately follow government guidelines on self-isolation and would be paid in full from day one of absence, it said.

Even an extra is a relatively small and close knit environment,  Tesco and government are playing at Covid-19 control if they do not close any store effected/infected in this manner.

Store may have on a daily basis as many staff & people as a small cruise ship, and they are all at berth or anchored at sea, why.

You can't beat a bit of consistency  8-)
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 16-08-20, 01:17PM
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/worried-tesco-customer-demands-answers-4421165 (https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/worried-tesco-customer-demands-answers-4421165)

QuoteWorried Tesco customer: 'Why won't they tell me if I was shopping when Covid-positive employee was working in Stoke-on-Trent store?'

Reasonable  request by customer, or not  :question:
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: penguin on 16-08-20, 01:48PM
Maybe all shops should be made to ask for customers contact details, so if a worker or fellow shopper is later found to have coronavirus anyone who may have come into contact with them can be informed, I know people will say that is what track and trace is for but that seems to go from one problem to another given what we see and read in the press.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Welshie on 16-08-20, 03:08PM
In a store the size of Tesco,  even an Express,  what are the chances that you have spent 15mins within 2 metre of an infected staff member . Yes there is a very slim chance that an infected staff member could have coughed or sneezed on an item you've touched . But no I dont think the customer has the right to know  and covid laws dont override data protection laws about when staff are working .
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: NightAndDay on 16-08-20, 03:09PM
Fast food places and Dine in restaurants have traceing systems in place to note when a customer has entered and left the establishment, they could use club card transaction information and cross reference with the staff members rota or clocking in information to find this out. It is a reasonable customer request and could be easily found out.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 16-08-20, 03:23PM
The customer is not requesting the employee's gender, name, address, height, weight, eye colour, hair colour or start-finish time.

"Was I in store when they were at work ?" not unreasonable in my opinion and a fact very easily discovered by office staff.

We all know why no company will advertise the number of Covid cases among staff in store in the last month, profit  :(
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: penguin on 16-08-20, 03:57PM
I have to agree with Noamd here, it is not unreasonable for a customer to give the time and date and ask if the staff member was on duty at the time, if it was down to me any shop, supermarket, pub, cafe etc would be required to inform anyone who may have been on the premises at the same time as a in infected person as soon as possible.
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: grim up north on 16-08-20, 07:40PM
What about the other way around? If a customer tests positive can ALL the staff isolate?
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: gomezz on 16-08-20, 08:06PM
"can" ?  You make it sound like an opportunity for staff to bunk off.   ???
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: notsofunny on 16-08-20, 08:18PM
If you work in a store that has staff that have 15 minutes to spend with a Customer that would be amazing , as to what anyone has touched stock that could have had the virus , how can anyone be sure with anything ,just treat everything as having been touched , your more likely to get the Virus on a bus or Train than by walking around a Shop so if people are expecting including customers to get information as to if someone came near them then that had the Virus they should be more concerned about leaving the house or at least no stopping to have a chat, More reason I would say to put on a mask than not and follow rules for our own safety , as to everyone that works in a store that has had someone that has the Virus getting to be told to isolate ,, It never happened during the peak time for the Virus so don't expect it to happen now ,
Title: Re: No Self-Isolation
Post by: Nomad on 20-08-20, 10:45AM
https://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/people/tesco-responds-reports-eastbourne-staff-member-has-covid-19-2946838 (https://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/people/tesco-responds-reports-eastbourne-staff-member-has-covid-19-2946838)

QuoteInstead, a Tesco spokesperson said, “The safety of our customers and colleagues is our top priority.

“We have introduced extensive measures across all of our stores to help keep everyone safe, including protective screens at every checkout, social distancing signage and regular deep cleaning.”

Is "a Tesco spokesperson said" an alternative name for "answer machine", with a recorded message.