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Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 29-07-23, 08:34PM@whatajoke it,l come down to store profitibility id of thought,surely each store has a set target(sales etc) to put profit into the pot,with pay rises thats going to influence the decision,streamlining can only go so far in cutting hours during the day operation,i work nights and seen massive recruitment last 2 months,but were dot com store

Tesco ultimately wants to save money.If they can managed to remove nights from a store they will.Or if not fully nights removal than they will change it to twilight.In my store we became an express former metro.They will soon by renovating the store and would want to remove nights from it.The union has already told the union representative in store they want to remove nights.

Quote from: jonty on 17-08-23, 11:19AMHow did he get to come back with his original length of service?

I'm not sure of the ins and outs of exactly How, but he was always going on about it. Apparently the SD (his mate) was "begging him to come back" and he negotiated it directly with the SD. He had it put into his contract as an "addendum" or something. It had to be signed off by the SD's boss according to him.

He's not a bad bloke, but very very intense. Calls his team members his "platoon" and is over the top strict about appearance. He's ex-forces so that's probably why I guess. Even the various SMs we have had over the last few years have just allowed him to manage in his own way as they're scared to upset him as he's close friends with the SD. (He happily boasts about how they go on holiday together with their wives and kids most years for example).
to be honest I steer clear of him as much as I can. 

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Quote from: Happyguy on 16-08-23, 09:13PMThere's a team manager in my store who is on just over £50k p.a. I know this because he is very happy to show people his payslips.
What makes it more annoying is he took redundancy in 2015 and came back with his original length of service reinstated so if he gets it again he'll be in line for another huge payoff. The stupid fool used to come in and do "Super Sundays" after he got laid off but before he rejoined because "he was still a shareholder and loves the company".

He's bullet-proof as he is personal mates with the old SD.

That's more than the upper limit of Express Store Managers, I've heard tale of TMs on relatively silly money but I take such claims with a pinch of salt, especially because the upper limit on Express SM salaries has only gone up from £45k a year a year ago.

Your story strikes a very close resemblance to NowAnExManagers story.

Not sure who that is but I doubt he posts on here as he'd stand out a mile. He's a proper "Company Man" (his terminology!) so not sure he'd go down too well on here. He certainly wouldn't be shy about sharing his opinions if his performances in the canteen are anything to go by!
I don't understand the way he gets the salary he does but he's shown most of us his wage slip after coming back as he's that sort of person. Wants everyone to know "how much Tesco value his contribution to the success of the company" (again, his actual words!!). I do remember a pretty hefty location supplement or something on the wage slip though which nobody else gets in our store?

QuoteYour story strikes a very close resemblance to NowAnExManagers story.

He'll be presenting a remake of Jackanory next, eh?

he sounds like a right bellend

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Quote from: NightAndDay on 17-08-23, 01:00PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 16-08-23, 09:13PMThere's a team manager in my store who is on just over £50k p.a. I know this because he is very happy to show people his payslips.
What makes it more annoying is he took redundancy in 2015 and came back with his original length of service reinstated so if he gets it again he'll be in line for another huge payoff. The stupid fool used to come in and do "Super Sundays" after he got laid off but before he rejoined because "he was still a shareholder and loves the company".

He's bullet-proof as he is personal mates with the old SD.

That's more than the upper limit of Express Store Managers, I've heard tale of TMs on relatively silly money but I take such claims with a pinch of salt, especially because the upper limit on Express SM salaries has only gone up from £45k a year a year ago.

Your story strikes a very close resemblance to NowAnExManagers story.

Not sure who that is but I doubt he posts on here as he'd stand out a mile. He's a proper "Company Man" (his terminology!) so not sure he'd go down too well on here. He certainly wouldn't be shy about sharing his opinions if his performances in the canteen are anything to go by!
I don't understand the way he gets the salary he does but he's shown most of us his wage slip after coming back as he's that sort of person. Wants everyone to know "how much Tesco value his contribution to the success of the company" (again, his actual words!!). I do remember a pretty hefty location supplement or something on the wage slip though which nobody else gets in our store?

That sounds potentially like fraud, the Tesco location policy is quite well defined as being a set amount within London and the Home Counties, if he's based up north or in the midlands, then there's some dodgy activity going on, might be worth calling protector line, for fraud it's something that the SD or SM can't protect him from, in fact they may be implicated themselves.

As a significant shareholder, I'd be very concerned about this development.

Nah, the Protector line are less than useless.
I remember one time a young girl being staff searched and the manager made her undress down to her bra and knickers so a couple of us rung the protector line and they basically ignored it.

The press would love that story,the useless twats might start being interested then.The whole company is corrupt to high heaven nowt will change.

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Quote from: NightAndDay on 17-08-23, 01:00PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 16-08-23, 09:13PMThere's a team manager in my store who is on just over £50k p.a. I know this because he is very happy to show people his payslips.
What makes it more annoying is he took redundancy in 2015 and came back with his original length of service reinstated so if he gets it again he'll be in line for another huge payoff. The stupid fool used to come in and do "Super Sundays" after he got laid off but before he rejoined because "he was still a shareholder and loves the company".

He's bullet-proof as he is personal mates with the old SD.

That's more than the upper limit of Express Store Managers, I've heard tale of TMs on relatively silly money but I take such claims with a pinch of salt, especially because the upper limit on Express SM salaries has only gone up from £45k a year a year ago.

Your story strikes a very close resemblance to NowAnExManagers story.

Not sure who that is but I doubt he posts on here as he'd stand out a mile. He's a proper "Company Man" (his terminology!) so not sure he'd go down too well on here. He certainly wouldn't be shy about sharing his opinions if his performances in the canteen are anything to go by!
I don't understand the way he gets the salary he does but he's shown most of us his wage slip after coming back as he's that sort of person. Wants everyone to know "how much Tesco value his contribution to the success of the company" (again, his actual words!!). I do remember a pretty hefty location supplement or something on the wage slip though which nobody else gets in our store?

i dont believe he went with the redundancy in 2015 and came back with old service reinstated because when someone is made redundant part of the payment is statutery redundancy pay so how can they  claim it again if he falls "victim" to redundancy again.
 This sounds to me as a criminal investigation needs to be statrted.

The company is at liberty to offer whatever enhanced redundancy package it decides is appropriate, including an element covering previous periods of employment. In the event of a company directed redundancy this would normally be honoured. In the event of redundancy due to insolvency/bankruptcy etc then the enhanced element would not normally fall under the statutory redundancy payment, but would be a contractual issue and would likely be resolved in line with other creditors. In the event of the company being unable to pay redundancy then only the latest period of employment would qualify for a payout from the government backed Redundancy Payment Scheme.

Quote from: Happyguy on 19-08-23, 10:54AMNah, the Protector line are less than useless.
I remember one time a young girl being staff searched and the manager made her undress down to her bra and knickers so a couple of us rung the protector line and they basically ignored it.

The protector line treat fraud and theft very differently from other types of misconduct. Most of the time they'd refer most types of incidents to the people partner or employee relations manager, but for fraud or theft, it's something they directly deal with themselves and follows a very different and much more intrusive/serious process.

The retrospective service reinstatement for redundancy pay is dubious, while legally an employer can offer it, there are very likely strict policies around it that the manager would unlikely to fall in to, it's also something unlikely the SM and SD has sole remit to authorize. At the end of the day, Tescos directors have a fiduciary duty to its shareholders, and something like this would invoke a review of the corporate governance in place to ensure fairness and sustainability of the business.

What is certainly more questionable is how a Team Manager would be on a salary above the limit set by Tescos compensation strategy, unless it's as an element of protection pay via stepping down from a lead manager position, in which case it would be identifiable and appropriately assigned on the payslip as such,  the SD and SM definitely do not have the authority to go against this.

Quote from: FarmerFred on 20-08-23, 04:29AMThe company is at liberty to offer whatever enhanced redundancy package it decides is appropriate, including an element covering previous periods of employment. In the event of a company directed redundancy this would normally be honoured. In the event of redundancy due to insolvency/bankruptcy etc then the enhanced element would not normally fall under the statutory redundancy payment, but would be a contractual issue and would likely be resolved in line with other creditors. In the event of the company being unable to pay redundancy then only the latest period of employment would qualify for a payout from the government backed Redundancy Payment Scheme.

This is quite clearly covered in law that only certain elements of redundancy can be reclaimed again you can not claim stat redundancy for previous periods of employment, and under the law your employment would restart at the point of re-engagment for the purpose of ent further redundancy.

You don't "claim" statutory redundancy unless your employer goes bust & thus can't pay out - in all other cases the employer simply pays redundancy.  If the company is solvent then it can pay pretty much whatever it wants for redundancy provided it at least meets the value required by the statutory redundancy calculations.


It's clear that if this case is genuine, then it's part of an enhanced redundancy package and the employment contract will include a provision along the lines of "In the event of the employee being made redundant previous periods of service with the employer will be included in and treated as continuous service in the calculations for the purposes of redundancy pay".

What does a typical structure in an Extra vs Superstore vs Express look like now?

A lot of ex colleagues/friends have said Express is the way forward now in terms of Salary, as with 20% bonus now reintroduced it far exceeds salaries of WL1 and WL2 managers in Large Stores. In addition to large stores having minimal managers in there now.

Where have a lot of managers gone to? It ALWAYS seems only Morrisons who are consistently recruiting for management as opposed to Asda and Sainsbury's.

Where have the managers gone?  many have gone to being a GA and are happy at having zero resposibility for not much of a wage decrease.

Quote from: FarmerFred on 22-08-23, 09:24AMYou don't "claim" statutory redundancy unless your employer goes bust & thus can't pay out - in all other cases the employer simply pays redundancy.  If the company is solvent then it can pay pretty much whatever it wants for redundancy provided it at least meets the value required by the statutory redundancy calculations.


It's clear that if this case is genuine, then it's part of an enhanced redundancy package and the employment contract will include a provision along the lines of "In the event of the employee being made redundant previous periods of service with the employer will be included in and treated as continuous service in the calculations for the purposes of redundancy pay".

That would mean Tesco needlessly spending a considerable sum on redundancy in the first place, Tesco, especially after the accounting scandal, would have stringent enough financial controls to prevent something like this happening without it raising some very awkward questions about controlling the budget.

In a fiscal environment centered on operational efficiencies and cost savings it would be largely questionable if it was genuine.

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Quote from: NightAndDay on 17-08-23, 01:00PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 16-08-23, 09:13PMThere's a team manager in my store who is on just over £50k p.a. I know this because he is very happy to show people his payslips.
What makes it more annoying is he took redundancy in 2015 and came back with his original length of service reinstated so if he gets it again he'll be in line for another huge payoff. The stupid fool used to come in and do "Super Sundays" after he got laid off but before he rejoined because "he was still a shareholder and loves the company".

He's bullet-proof as he is personal mates with the old SD.

That's more than the upper limit of Express Store Managers, I've heard tale of TMs on relatively silly money but I take such claims with a pinch of salt, especially because the upper limit on Express SM salaries has only gone up from £45k a year a year ago.

Your story strikes a very close resemblance to NowAnExManagers story.

Not sure who that is but I doubt he posts on here as he'd stand out a mile. He's a proper "Company Man" (his terminology!) so not sure he'd go down too well on here. He certainly wouldn't be shy about sharing his opinions if his performances in the canteen are anything to go by!
I don't understand the way he gets the salary he does but he's shown most of us his wage slip after coming back as he's that sort of person. Wants everyone to know "how much Tesco value his contribution to the success of the company" (again, his actual words!!). I do remember a pretty hefty location supplement or something on the wage slip though which nobody else gets in our store?

Got a feeling he does post on here as "nowanexmanager" had a bit of a run in with him on here some time ago, someone commented on how its better now people can come in with whatever hair styles and colours and nails etc they want. nowanexmanager kicked off saying he wont allow it in "his" store and would have no issue going into other stores in his own time to enforce his standards, told him he must be going into stores with some very week managers as anyone with anything about them would chuck him out, he commented something along the lines off "I am best mates with an SD so I can do what I want in any store I feel like going into and there is nothing anyone can do about it"

He also used to tell tales on here about how he set up someone who dared to challenge him, basically he bragged about planting memory cards and razors in this guys bag, getting him searched and then sacked, either a total keyboard warrior who has never done anything of the sort or a bully who will one day pick on the wrong person, that sort always do in the end.

Wow, that's defo him then. I well remember a lad getting fired for theft of (I thought it was batteries, but could have been razors I suppose) and he screamed blue murder that he hadn't taken them. He did get fired though in the end.
Small world.
I wouldn't have had him down as the sort to post on here though. He hates anything that isnt entirely complimentary to "the company". He's always going on about todays managers being weak and how the "old school managers" were miles better etc etc.

Yes...he liked everyone to know that he had taken redundancy, and returned after 6 months on his own terms, retaining his service longevity and a good wage increase. Last I recall he was hoping for another redundancy package to be offered 

I also remember how he'd wind people up with his idea of proper old way management...and to be honest a few points I agreed with him with regards slipping of dress and work standards from colleagues and managers alike.

Think he went too far on one post, bragging about his untouchable status and belittling some posters who were facing redundancy, with smug remarks!
Nomad told him where to get off and blocked him!

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02-11-21, 06:51PM by Nowanexmgr
Quote from: penguin on 01-11-21, 06:06PM

How can you have your length of service reinstated after redundancy, that sounds well iffy to me but then in this company nothing would come as that much of a shock anymore.

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I made it a condition of my returning. Without that I wouldn't have returned (well I probably would have but wasn't going to let them know that). It was to protect me against any future redundancy. The only thing they couldn't do was reinstate my service for the purpose of working out any statutory redundancy I may be due in the event of another redundancy. In order to combat that i insisted on a significant pay rise over my old contract and they agreed.
I was lucky to be honest as I was in another job by then, and a much better paid one than Tesco too, but I missed the cut and thrust of working for Tesco, and they approached me to come back. My SM and SD asked to meet me for a coffee and it went from there.
I also get an average of two Saturdays per 6 weeks off too as my job I was in after Tesco didn't work weekends.

It's simply about knowing your own worth and not being afraid to demand it. SMs and SDs are human beings. They respect strength and being forthright in one's opinions. They asked me to come back. Apparently my old store "needed a strong manager" to support the senior leadership team. I told them what I wanted, I told them I wasn't prepared to enter a negotiation. Ie: pay me what I demand or I don't come back.

They caved and back I came. Fingers crossed I'll get another redundancy in the next couple of years as with having saved most of the last one, with another of a similar amount I'm going to retire abroad and out my feet 6

Quote from: Happyguy on 26-08-23, 12:28PMWow, that's defo him then. I well remember a lad getting fired for theft of (I thought it was batteries, but could have been razors I suppose) and he screamed blue murder that he hadn't taken them. He did get fired though in the end.
Small world.
I wouldn't have had him down as the sort to post on here though. He hates anything that isnt entirely complimentary to "the company". He's always going on about todays managers being weak and how the "old school managers" were miles better etc etc.
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09-01-22, 10:33AM
Some "hero to the workers" did something very similar in my store a few years ago - miraculously all evidence against his wrongdoing simply disappeared.
It was horrible, his disciplinary was thrown out and he spent the next three days gurning and grinning every time he walked past me in the shop, and held court in the canteen about how he had "sorted that **** out" (me).
Sadly, on the fourth day he was selected for a staff search and found to be in possession of a number of razor blades and memory cards that he didn't have receipts for and after an investigation he was dismissed for theft. He protested his innocence loudly and repeatedly, even after he had been sacked. Six months the later he was still proclaiming innocence and hadn't yet found a new job - difficult when you've been sacked for dishonesty I suppose.

I simply cannot imagine what happened.

A good manager will always get you out in the end.


Hmmm...could it be the great ex military man's downfall if it can be proven...with loss of pension thrown in?? 

Quote from: NightAndDay on 18-08-23, 08:55PMAs a significant shareholder, I'd be very concerned about this development.

How many shares is a 'significant shareholder'?

lol we used to get a customer in the store playing the big i am. "i am the biggest shareholder of Tesco why isnt this right that right etc.

Me to him (as we knew it was bull**** )  You are blackrock captial are you?
Him  "who"
The guy likely had a few 100 shares at best.

Any significant shareholder would know that they don't have the power to directly involve themselves in operations, they only have voting rights.

I have around 4,000 shares, roughly £10k invested primarily for passive income from dividends, saying that though I like to see my assets managed well, if occurences like this were more wide spread, calls for new leadership would be demanded.