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It's so sad for people who really want to stay when there are others that would like to go , surely the union could fight to help the managers just starting out with mortgages and little kids,  leaving the ones who would gladly leave an exit

Watcher, the union did bring up about voluntary redundancy, I know in my area it would work quite well as there is the right percentage of people who wish to stay/go. Of course, being a sensible option, the company will probably dismiss it!
Lucgeo, thank you for the words of encouragement, they are much appreciated.

In my area too it's heartbreaking when anyone faces redundancy

EVM cannot be used as there is no way of knowing how accurate it is.

Peter from Produce might hold  grudge against Piper the non food manager so filled out EVM 8 times rating her 1 in "how do you rate your manager"

See the problem. Its a tribunal waiting to happen

@mikoo and what criteria would you like to see?like i said before,maybe some managers get fantastic comments,maybe thats would be used,I don't know,surely it,l go on end of year first,people kpis,then business,or just wait and see till it comes down

I know of 4 night mgrs, all have had their letters. All are above vlh calculator. Looks like the time in lieu is better. I think mine was something like 5 weeks pay better.

Remember also that statutory redundancy is based on an average of the previous 12 weeks wages,  so this might be slightly higher than your basic pay.

Quote from: Mikoo on 15-02-23, 09:11PMEVM cannot be used as there is no way of knowing how accurate it is.

Peter from Produce might hold  grudge against Piper the non food manager so filled out EVM 8 times rating her 1 in "how do you rate your manager"

See the problem. Its a tribunal waiting to happen

I recall refusing to sign my annual review as my manager marked me down for having had no feedback from customers during the year! My argument being I could hand out a card to every customer, but I had no control on whether they chose to give feedback!
It went to the SM who unsurprisingly supported the manager, but the PP stepped in and stated that it was not something that should be considered as it was not in my control or something I could improve on!

We used to have colleagues who were marked down with negative feedback from customers, even though the majority were from anonymous customers? Again it was argued that it couldn't be acted upon, as an anonymous complaint could be due to a personal vendetta against that colleague?

The use of the EVM as criteria does appear very suspect and easily manipulated. A popular manager who may not necessarily be good at their job, but his team give good feedback V's a good manager who may be more strict and not a pushover gets negative feedback! 

The use of the EVM as criteria does appear very suspect and easily manipulated. A popular manager who may not necessarily be good at their job, but his team give good feedback V's a good manager who may be more strict and not a pushover gets negative feedback!

That is it in a nutshell. A good manager who actually makes sure their staff are working might score bad because he/she is doing their job but a c**p manager who allows his/her staff to disappear off on long breaks doing little work inbetween might score high.

Its flawed and only USDAW could  be pushing its usage in criteria such as this. Why the hell are people supporting this utterly useless union?   

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-02-23, 09:30PM@mikoo and what criteria would you like to see?like i said before,maybe some managers get fantastic comments,maybe thats would be used,I don't know,surely it,l go on end of year first,people kpis,then business,or just wait and see till it comes down

If the SM wants direct feedback about how a manager is doing from his/her staff then the simple thing to do would be to invite them into the office for a chat about it. That way it isn't anonymous or open to abuse. 

I do believe its called transparency.

Maybe everyone being interviewed for the job is the way to go then,im sure when i atarted with tesco thats what they did with checkoutmanagers(we had 3)

In a previous life, a department restructure took 18 months. All had to re-apply for their posts. I had three interviews for my original job - simply because I wanted my original job and eventually got it. Morale for all was rock bottom; the work atmosphere was dreadful - not much different to where I am now. The redundancy sh!tshow is beyond comprehension
I feel for those being put through a situation not of their making. Good luck to you all.

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Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-02-23, 09:30PM@mikoo and what criteria would you like to see?like i said before,maybe some managers get fantastic comments,maybe thats would be used,I don't know,surely it,l go on end of year first,people kpis,then business,or just wait and see till it comes down

If the SM wants direct feedback about how a manager is doing from his/her staff then the simple thing to do would be to invite them into the office for a chat about it. That way it isn't anonymous or open to abuse. 

I do believe its called transparency.

That's never gonna happen.

The German-owned supermarket chain Aldi has announced plans to create 6,000 new jobs in the UK this year.

The staff will be recruited for its distribution centres, as well as a number of new stores including in Norwich and Newcastle.

Aldi has 990 stores and 40,000 staff in Britain and last year overtook Morrisons to become the UK's fourth-largest supermarket chain.

It said it had attracted 1.3 million new customers in the past three months.

Its store assistants receive a starting pay of £11.00 an hour in most parts of the UK and £12.75 within the M25. Warehouse staff get a minimum starting salary of £13.18 an hour.

Aldi store managers have salaries of up to £63,000 pounds a year.theres a life after tesco,good luck to all affected

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Quote from: Rodie on 16-02-23, 09:01AM

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-02-23, 09:30PM@mikoo and what criteria would you like to see?like i said before,maybe some managers get fantastic comments,maybe thats would be used,I don't know,surely it,l go on end of year first,people kpis,then business,or just wait and see till it comes down

If the SM wants direct feedback about how a manager is doing from his/her staff then the simple thing to do would be to invite them into the office for a chat about it. That way it isn't anonymous or open to abuse. 

I do believe its called transparency.

That's never gonna happen.

Nope it won't and won't provide true feedback anyway, those who are mates with the manager will give good feedback, those who have an issue with the manager regardless of if the manager is actually in the wrong over the issue or not will take the chance to bad mouth said manager, then you get the won't say boo to a goose types who will just say "yeah mate the manager is good at his job" etc for fear of rocking the boat.

 

Quote from: Rodie on 16-02-23, 09:01AM

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-02-23, 09:30PM@mikoo and what criteria would you like to see?like i said before,maybe some managers get fantastic comments,maybe thats would be used,I don't know,surely it,l go on end of year first,people kpis,then business,or just wait and see till it comes down

If the SM wants direct feedback about how a manager is doing from his/her staff then the simple thing to do would be to invite them into the office for a chat about it. That way it isn't anonymous or open to abuse. 

I do believe its called transparency.

LMAO, are you real? Hey come into the office and tell me how I am doing however if I dont like what you say your life will not be worth living. Transparency dont make me laugh.

Quote from: Nomad on 15-02-23, 02:36PM

Quote from: 5fdp on 15-02-23, 02:11AMGot my letter today. Getting about 5k more than what's on vlh calculator.  But it is a good ball park figure. Please input your details to help.

Anybody have an insight into why VLH calculator is so far out, has some criteria changed ?
Please email admin if you know rather than posting or PM me if you can.

As far as I'm aware we are only been told rough figures just now. Final figures my include things like shares so that will be different for all of us.
I have not even had my rough figure yet but I have had a conversation with my store manager and I told him what I thought it would be and he agreed that it sounded about right.
I have been through this twice before but this time is nothing like what has happened before. We are told we won't know any details until 4 was after first meeting.

Yes. I was told my final figure will be higher due to the above mentioned. But is a good guide.

Do we know if the 2nd collective meeting gone ahead yet and when the detail will be released ?

It's just gone up. Seems still no agreed criteria

Asking for people's pref in regards to taking redundancy but then:

"We should not let someone go if:
o It would leave the store with leadership vacancies
o There was a large disparity in selection scores, and it meant keeping a much weaker
performer
o The operation is jeopardised by the remaining managers not having the necessary skills
• We may not let someone go if:
o Someone is highlighted for a move or has the potential to move into a bigger role o Someone has unique skills that we want to retain, such as being SP2 trained (D&G)"

In other words regardless of what your pref is if you rank high then you stay

Quote from: Grahol on 17-02-23, 01:52PMIt's just gone up. Seems still no agreed criteria

any detail on this please?

Go to Colleague Help. Put Collective in search box - first article that comes up "Retail Collective Consultation - meeting summaries and Q&A"
Updated today
Meeting 1 - 6 February
Meeting 2 - 13 February
Scroll down and you can download the pdf's

@davethebave on what youve put,thats not how I've read it,so in my store it goes from 6 down to 4 managers,if managers ranking 3,4 want to leave and managers 5,6 in score want to stay,if 5,6 have the skills and are not far away in scores,then thats an option,but tge way I've read it only 2 will get redundancy