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Admin/wages is losing a lot of hours. Shift Leaders will be expected to pick it up.

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 28-01-23, 08:48PMSo redundancy Monday eh!

I'm wondering if SM will be told Monday then it's a 10 day embargo before they can tell anyone, it's happened before and we all know leaks happen.

On the merge roles topic, superstores have been running all fresh under one for a while and grocery went from 2 twilight managers to a day manager, stock varies from shared to just the grocery manager. The fresh role only works if the manager can manage and not fill, ours has been a revolving door of placements all crashing out every 10 weeks as the role is too big.

That is why in Extras this will be a total disaster. Its far too big a store to manage that way.

I get some are happy that managers are 'finally getting it' but in the long run its us on the shop floor that are going to suffer. Things are badly understaffed and overstretched as it is without removing an active manager who will now have far greater things to oversee.  Shift leaders won't work the same way, we have proof of this with dot com.

Quote from: Rodie on 28-01-23, 08:54PMAdmin/wages is losing a lot of hours. Shift Leaders will be expected to pick it up.

They won't cut admins in extras. Far too much of that role is legal stuff especially those that have dot com departments.

A store which houses over 200 staff cannot function without a HR department. No business with that many staff could.

Half of this posted here has to be made up. None of it is sustainable.

The latest rumour is that its mainly regarding lead team. Apparently they will be reduced to only 1 across all Extras with a view of getting rid of them completely in Superstores.

I think that sounds more like it.

Quote from: Himynameus on 28-01-23, 08:34PMMy extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

My store has around 450 store staff with a ufc attached too. The store is  running on 1 fresh manager, 1 grocery manager  and they  both look after non food to between them, 2 part time checkout, customer service desk and pfs magager between them. 1 stock control and admin but they do the same roll in the ufc too. And that's it. This has been like this since last April. Apart from the sharing of non food which happened in September. We have 1 lead manager for the store. The store does work running like this ok the mangers are hardly on the shop floor like they used to be. Not working toilet roll and cereal like they used to be. And it become more of a admin roll. But it works.
But then you get into the ufc there 6 managers in there plus 1 lead manager
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What does the night structure look like in your store? @Himynameus

Quote from: Mikoo on 28-01-23, 09:09PMThe latest rumour is that its mainly regarding lead team. Apparently they will be reduced to only 1 across all Extras with a view of getting rid of them completely in Superstores.

I think that sounds more like it.

My Extra has 3 leads but I suppose if nights are moving to days that removes one of them anyway.

 

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Quote from: Himynameus on 28-01-23, 08:34PMMy extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

My store has around 450 store staff with a ufc attached too. The store is  running on 1 fresh manager, 1 grocery manager  and they  both look after non food to between them, 2 part time checkout, customer service desk and pfs magager between them. 1 stock control and admin but they do the same roll in the ufc too. And that's it. This has been like this since last April. Apart from the sharing of non food which happened in September. We have 1 lead manager for the store. The store does work running like this ok the mangers are hardly on the shop floor like they used to be. Not working toilet roll and cereal like they used to be. And it become more of a admin roll. But it works.
But then you get into the ufc there 6 managers in there plus 1 lead manager

What does the night structure look like in your store? @Himynameus
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2 night managers no lead Manager since November.

Quote from: Rodie on 28-01-23, 08:46PM

Quote from: AlwaysSearching on 24-01-23, 09:13AMSo for Extras it looks like this is what's happening.

Management restructure. 

Checkouts/SAYS/SelfServe/CSD/PFS - all being merged under one manager with reduced roles for Team Support as more ''off till activity'' roles are created

Fresh merging as one with Bread/Dairy/Meat/Produce all falling under one manager instead of 3 with additional Shift Leader roles created

Grocery  - 1 mananger

Non Food/F&F - 1 manager

Stock Control/Cash Office/Admin/Merch/Wages - 1 manager

so it will be the fresh and front areas most effected by the manager changes.

Shop Floor

Night shift Health & Beauty/Frozen/BWS moving to days perm. Most of this has already been rolled out.

Fish Counters to close in May with Hot Deli's going in specific stores also.

Reduced routines for stock control/Admin/Wages

It looks like this is it. The Dairy manager told me today that him, the plant bread/bakery manager and the produce manager will all have to apply for the sole fresh manager job only one will get it and the other two will be expected to drop down to shift leads.

But of stores that already had health and beauty, bws and frozen moved to days last year, the. Our store manager wanted bws and frozen back to nights cause they couldnt handle it.

Wasn't supposed to happen. I'd imagine theres phases each store are going through before they finally ditch all nights together.

Quote from: Generaldogsbody1 on 28-01-23, 09:13PM

Quote from: Himynameus on 28-01-23, 08:34PMMy extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

My store has around 450 store staff with a ufc attached too. The store is  running on 1 fresh manager, 1 grocery manager  and they  both look after non food to between them, 2 part time checkout, customer service desk and pfs magager between them. 1 stock control and admin but they do the same roll in the ufc too. And that's it. This has been like this since last April. Apart from the sharing of non food which happened in September. We have 1 lead manager for the store. The store does work running like this ok the mangers are hardly on the shop floor like they used to be. Not working toilet roll and cereal like they used to be. And it become more of a admin roll. But it works.
But then you get into the ufc there 6 managers in there plus 1 lead manager

What does the night structure look like in your store? @Himynameus
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It should work out to one manager per 34 colleagues. It was 27 colleagues but as workload changes so does this.

Quote from: Redshoes on 28-01-23, 09:46PMIt should work out to one manager per 34 colleagues. It was 27 colleagues but as workload changes so does this.

We'll be recruiting managers if that's the case as we're way off.

I wonder if it'll be leaked in the Sunday papers tomorrow as in previous years?

Quote from: jonty on 28-01-23, 01:30PM

QuoteJust because they have vaccines doesnt change anything many stores had vaccines until they removed positions.

Do they provide immunity from redundancy?

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No mention of PI/Merchandising. Wonder if they'll stay on nights?

Quote from: Mikoo on 28-01-23, 09:09PMThe latest rumour is that its mainly regarding lead team. Apparently they will be reduced to only 1 across all Extras with a view of getting rid of them completely in Superstores.

I think that sounds more like it.

that would be a great idea so therefore it won't happen

Told by union rep security that are left are going and agency only

With our Dot Com so big not sure how this will work, alongside the day to day legals, audits,rotas and planning etc I spend half my time in Investigatory & ARM meetings......over 220 staff......needs at least 1 Manager....we have 2 FT and 1 PT

Quote from: Mikoo on 28-01-23, 12:16PMYeah that sounds like BS to be honest.

You can't be made to reapply for a job you already have. What happens if you don't get it? instant dismissal? for all Usdaws faults they wouldn't allow it. 

Of course you can. If it's changing in any way. Then your current role stops to exist. Not the first time they're doing this.

Quote from: Sizzle1968 on 29-01-23, 09:38AMWith our Dot Com so big not sure how this will work, alongside the day to day legals, audits,rotas and planning etc I spend half my time in Investigatory & ARM meetings......over 220 staff......needs at least 1 Manager....we have 2 FT and 1 PT

Similar set up in mine.

I do have to question the sanity of anyone who believes a Tesco Extra with 500 staff and a very busy dot com department can run with only 3 managers. I've never heard anything so absurd, that is why I'm taking a lot of this now with a pinch of salt.

We will see what tomorrow brings but if this is happening its ALL shop floor staff  who are the real losers.

My store is a large superstore. Has been running with 4 managers for over a year. It's a disaster but Tesco don't care - this is the way forward. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

I suspect department managers will lose their titles and be called shift leaders. They will essentially do the same job they are doing now. So the Fresh Food and Produce manager will become the Fresh Food and Produce shift leader.

We currently have 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. So it would become 8 shift leaders with one taking the duty role on a shift.

This is all to eradicate the Manager role from contracts so that in time to come the powers that be have the option to make further cuts by getting rid of a few shift leaders.

All of this avoids paying out redundancy.

Quote from: SAMCRO on 29-01-23, 11:09AMMy store is a large superstore. Has been running with 4 managers for over a year. It's a disaster but Tesco don't care - this is the way forward. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

Should work with the right managers. What do those managers cover ?

Quote from: BenPvfc on 29-01-23, 11:19AM

Quote from: SAMCRO on 29-01-23, 11:09AMMy store is a large superstore. Has been running with 4 managers for over a year. It's a disaster but Tesco don't care - this is the way forward. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

Should work with the right managers. What do those managers cover ?

Manager 1 - Checkouts & Customer Service

Manager 2 - Fresh, Produce & Bakery

Manager 3 - Stock Control, PI & Wages

Manager 4 - Grocery, Backdoor, GM & H&B

But you are forgetting that with the new colleague contract and schedule to workload you won't actually have departments going forward.

Yes there will still be the same work to be done but anyone in theory is trained to do it. A manager could therefore in theory be assigned a set headcount of colleagues from across the store.

You would need shift leaders to cover duty,  check people are doing what the computer has assigned them to do, that they  are being productive and then a couple of managers to deal with all the SYA, Conduct and Performance cases (as shift leaders aren't currently allowed to do this)

The days of 10+ managers in a extra will be consigned to history

Jobs which cost to much and can be reduced will be cut. Security directly for tesco is going. Nights will be cut replaced with twilight hours which will save tesco millions. If not completely remove it. Managers will be fine replaced with shift leaders why have 30k 50k a year managers when you have shift leaders instead and few managers

Quote from: SAMCRO on 29-01-23, 11:09AMMy store is a large superstore. Has been running with 4 managers for over a year. It's a disaster but Tesco don't care - this is the way forward. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

I suspect department managers will lose their titles and be called shift leaders. They will essentially do the same job they are doing now. So the Fresh Food and Produce manager will become the Fresh Food and Produce shift leader.

We currently have 4 managers and 4 shift leaders. So it would become 8 shift leaders with one taking the duty role on a shift.

This is all to eradicate the Manager role from contracts so that in time to come the powers that be have the option to make further cuts by getting rid of a few shift leaders.

All of this avoids paying out redundancy.

They couldn't just change a manager to a shift leader. That's more than just a title change. The shift leader role is now established within the business with very different roles and responsibilities to a manager.If they wanted to change managers to shift leaders, then it's a redundancy situation because they are two very different job roles.

That's not to say they won't up the shift leaders responsibilities to completing meetings, training and reviews and still hold out for natural wastage from the remaining team manager population.

Quote from: londoner83 on 29-01-23, 11:38AMBut you are forgetting that with the new colleague contract and schedule to workload you won't actually have departments going forward.

Yes there will still be the same work to be done but anyone in theory is trained to do it. A manager could therefore in theory be assigned a set headcount of colleagues from across the store.

You would need shift leaders to cover duty,  check people are doing what the computer has assigned them to do, that they  are being productive and then a couple of managers to deal with all the SYA, Conduct and Performance cases (as shift leaders aren't currently allowed to do this)

The days of 10+ managers in a extra will be consigned to history

This all sounds good in theory and im sure great from head office. But theres only so much you can be good at. I can fill any section of dairy but my 5 year dairy staff can do any section of dairy far quicker than I can. They might do 5 or 6 delivery cages in a 3.75 hour morning shift.
A trained but inexperienced checkout person will do 1 maybe 2 as they don't know where everything is on the shop.
Tesco run the timing model of what is capable assuming everyone is a super experienced filling machine. Not an obese person from the checkouts.