National Living Wage set to rise to £9.50 an hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59038076
The BBC just published the minimum wage rising to £9.50 in the budget, giving a 6.6% increase over the current minimum. This would mean Tesco employees on the base rate would be virtually on minimum wage. Will Tesco be raising currently pay rates to match the percentage increase?
Chances of Tesco giving us a 6.5% pay rise (particularly from April 2022) are a big fat ZERO.
Clearly, Tesco (and other retailers and other businesses in low pay industries, e.g. hospitality) will need to adhere to these new levels - but I'm sure some creative thinking will be needed - and we all know, as far as store staff are concerned, that Tesco still have the Sunday/BH premium up their sleeve - other retailers have more or less got rid of that already.
As usual, Tesco may announce ......or agree with Usdaw as part of pur collective bargaining agreement.......that our base rate will increase to £10 per hour - but again delayed until the Autumn of 2022 - so a carrot to hope to retain staff - particularly for the busy Christmas period - and perhaps the time will be right to announce the end of Sunday premium - but probably not until the middle of 2023 - so again a little carrot to keep us happy for a few more months.
The biggest and most profitable supermarket paying 5 pence above the minimum wage, yet had the opportunity to increase it to £10 per hour matching Morrisons hourly rate, agencies now paying over £10.50+ days £17+ an hour nights filling Tesco's main rival supermarket shelves, good job we have THE usdaw partnership on our side!
If the big 6 section of staff recommends tosco as a great place to work and shop isn't something that worries the hiarchy which it isn't don't hold your breathe.A bit like a SM constantly saying we don't need anymore staff and then pissing his pants when he's got to work because we haven't.
Don't worry everyone I'm sure when the minimum wages goes up and some at Tesco are close to said minimum wages the old line about the benefits being worth so much per hour will get wheeled out again.
That means the new starter pay would need to be increased, putting them on only 5p less than established rate!
Quote from: penguin on 25-10-21, 03:46PM
Don't worry everyone I'm sure when the minimum wages goes up and some at Tesco are close to said minimum wages the old line about the benefits being worth so much per hour will get wheeled out again.
They can't really use that line anymore with all the cuts to existing benefits and the loss of bonus. The competition not only pays higher rates, but now has comparable benefits. The reality is the only 2 benefits that Tesco has that's worth anything is Sunday premium and slightly better than industry standards pension scheme. If they axe Sunday premium, that would essentially be the death knell for being suitably staffed on Sundays, it'd not only be PR suicide, but economically unwise. It is an employees market at the moment, any cuts to pay or benefits would be an especially bad strategy in the short term when everyone else is competing heavily on staff remuneration.
As for the next pay increase. There is mounting criticism that Tesco don't pay their staff very well at all, a FTSE 100 employer paying their CAs 5p per hour above the legal minimum would go down like a lead balloon not only would it be a PR nightmare, but economically they wouldn't be able to get away with it in the current job market.
Even the staff discount is a joke now......another benefit we should be oh so grateful for.Just looks like there isn't much wiggle room for the company after the Lewis cut fest.Short term gain long term doom.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/usk-prisoners-hired-tesco-concern-21951130?fbclid=IwAR2KSu0mWTPhw_GZ86JT5WhFSkHTx9ONpvR3kv64oLnhm4VR_bcOZb6w7Jg
Maybe this is why they are not bothered about paying a decent wage.
They run them like prisons so yeah 😏
Don't even have a decent canteen with proper food in it to appease the staff we are like cattle to them maybe some bread and a glass of water in your break it's ok if you are in a town centre but many of us are in the middle of no where and I hate eating the trash off the shop floor ,as regards wages we have no chance of a decent pay rise they spent all the money paying off people partners.
Love the above post @Hammer10 haha
Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 25-10-21, 05:21PM
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/usk-prisoners-hired-tesco-concern-21951130?fbclid=IwAR2KSu0mWTPhw_GZ86JT5WhFSkHTx9ONpvR3kv64oLnhm4VR_bcOZb6w7Jg
Maybe this is why they are not bothered about paying a decent wage.
I'm trying to find the bit in the article where it says Tesco doesn't pay them. Wouldn't put it past them, they tried to get free labour from Workfare after all.
My payslip from oct 2010, basic rate 6.811 while new minimum wage was 5.93.
Night premium bit lower but higher sunday premium.
Very sad day for us.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 25-10-21, 07:01PM
Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 25-10-21, 05:21PM
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/usk-prisoners-hired-tesco-concern-21951130?fbclid=IwAR2KSu0mWTPhw_GZ86JT5WhFSkHTx9ONpvR3kv64oLnhm4VR_bcOZb6w7Jg
Maybe this is why they are not bothered about paying a decent wage.
I'm trying to find the bit in the article where it says Tesco doesn't pay them. Wouldn't put it past them, they tried to get free labour from Workfare after all.
Article from 2016 sayis its £4 per hour as minimum but i cant find proper answer. They r on lower pay for sure.
Minimum Wage is actually only going up to £9.16. It was announced on the news earlier.
It's £9.18 and that's for 21-22 year olds, it's £9.50 for anyone over that.
Trying to get this out there in case people don't know ocado are know paying £12-40 a hour basic rising to £16 to £19 for overtime and lates on wkends, job and knock and you don't load your own vans, why are tesco not responding to this as 4 of our drivers have applied already.
Because they are tight.
In pay talks in distribution Tesco are denying that staff shortages are a problem, and offering low settlement figures. At the same time offering large retention bonuses to keep staff over Xmas.
Quote from: vyvan70 on 25-10-21, 12:50PM
National Living Wage set to rise to £9.50 an hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59038076
The BBC just published the minimum wage rising to £9.50 in the budget, giving a 6.6% increase over the current minimum. This would mean Tesco employees on the base rate would be virtually on minimum wage. Will Tesco be raising currently pay rates to match the percentage increase?
i was wondering the same thing but I've never heard of tesco doing a wage increase in april, I bet we will get a tiny 30p an hour increase by october and thats it. - I mean we WERE promised over £10 an hour by at least 1 - 2 years ago, but yet to see any of that happening.
Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 25-10-21, 05:21PM
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/usk-prisoners-hired-tesco-concern-21951130?fbclid=IwAR2KSu0mWTPhw_GZ86JT5WhFSkHTx9ONpvR3kv64oLnhm4VR_bcOZb6w7Jg
Maybe this is why they are not bothered about paying a decent wage.
maybe thats why we are seeing a lot of missing high value items in delivery for the past 2 months ??? ???
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Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 25-10-21, 05:21PM
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/usk-prisoners-hired-tesco-concern-21951130?fbclid=IwAR2KSu0mWTPhw_GZ86JT5WhFSkHTx9ONpvR3kv64oLnhm4VR_bcOZb6w7Jg
Maybe this is why they are not bothered about paying a decent wage.
maybe thats why we are seeing a lot of missing high value items in delivery for the past 2 months ??? ???
tesco would need to make sure that any increase next year either matches or is more than increase in 2023 as if they go to say £9.80 in october and the nmw goes to £10 in april 23 then it will be below to nmw.
Tesco currently pays a minimum of £9.55 an hour (for "established" staff). The living wage going up to 5p below this amount in April and Tesco implementing their pay reviews in Aug-November while revealing it in July means that their next pay announcement will have to be more than the mateyboy 25-30p increases they've been giving out to avoid being lower than the living wage the April after.
Though the bigger question is if they will actually get around to maintaining pay differentials between graded hourly staff, the past 6 or so years, the nominal amount has been the same across all hourly paid roles meaning the difference in real value between what a ca earns and a shift leader earns has been diminishing.
It's not worth being a Shift Leader as it stands, the best options for them at that point would be to step down to ca or become a team manager with their Salary range being at the moment £22.5-£70k a year.
Team Managers salary ranges between 22.5k-70k!
I've read some bulls*** on here but I think that has to be the best one.
My mate is on 22.5k, I heard that the bees knees of TMs in London Extra stores who say the right things and are mates with the SD and SM are on £70k a year.
5p over nlw will make all the ca under nlw after pension deduction.
Quote from: Modena on 26-10-21, 12:33PM
Trying to get this out there in case people don't know ocado are know paying £12-40 a hour basic rising to £16 to £19 for overtime and lates on wkends, job and knock and you don't load your own vans, why are tesco not responding to this as 4 of our drivers have applied already.
Ocado is an technology company not retailer. They use special algorithms to deliver the gods bla bla bla so the pay is higher
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Quote from: vyvan70 on 25-10-21, 12:50PM
National Living Wage set to rise to £9.50 an hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59038076
The BBC just published the minimum wage rising to £9.50 in the budget, giving a 6.6% increase over the current minimum. This would mean Tesco employees on the base rate would be virtually on minimum wage. Will Tesco be raising currently pay rates to match the percentage increase?
i was wondering the same thing but I've never heard of tesco doing a wage increase in april, I bet we will get a tiny 30p an hour increase by october and thats it. - I mean we WERE promised over £10 an hour by at least 1 - 2 years ago, but yet to see any of that happening.
If minimum wage will go up by 5% in 2023 then it would be £9.97. If we receive payrise in autumn 2022 then you could expect atleast 5%.
Now when Tesco wage will be in par with NMW any huge jump of NMW is and would be huge cost for a company that already spent so much on driving costs down.
At the moment we can expect huge shake up around pay structure. Or basic rate stay in line with NMW or will go up to something like £10+ but premiums or night team will be scrapped.
really tesco should do their pay increases in april, just like everyone else along with taxes and minimum wage and UC etc.
but then we would notice more on just how poor we are being paid.. (like only 5p above minimum wage from April to October next year) that said theres a 90% chance either pay rises in sep/oct next year will be either the usual tiny amount... and/or we will lose sunday/bank holiday bonus pay and/or night premiums. (i work every bank holiday just because i need the extra cash but there will be no incentive at all to work these soon, as I doubt they will last much longer.
and yet it was advertised how we have been getting "the best pay rises in history" - yet still one the worst paid compared to other supermarkets - worse still now that we will next year be only 5p over minimum wage for hard work - i mean... i may as well quit and get one them jobs you sit around at a desk watching cctv screens or something like you see in the films... even if i lose that 5p an hour! lol -
especially the way things are in GM in my store. having to store 1/3 of the whole superstore ON YOUR OWN and do fireworks and headphones and inks and games and tvs (as none are on the shelves) and also do the tills and sometimes trolleys... (and they have excuses theres no money to get extra staff and they wonder why customers are getting less because no staff to help them in time and why staff are dropping like flies... we had 6 or 7 staff leave in the past 4 months, and only 1 new staff thats NOT a Christmas temp
Anyway (sorry i kind of went on a rant there), even with a 5% increase it still means we will only be on very close to minimum wage - which is not the "real living wage" - (right now the "real living wage" from april 2021 until march 2022 is £9.50 an hour - so next year we can expect that to be a lot more as thats more or less what we get now and many staff are really struggling to pay the bills - my friend at work is left with like £3 odd after all bills tax and food etc as he cant get more hours - (and you cant just get a 2nd job these days as the 2nd job is fully taxed even before the £12k threshold making you even more worse off)
They need to save their money when they have to pay staff same as distribution.it's going to cost them a fortune,not only that the back pay for all the staff that have signed up to Leigh and day .
Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-10-21, 06:45PM
My mate is on 22.5k, I heard that the bees knees of TMs in London Extra stores who say the right things and are mates with the SD and SM are on £70k a year.
The fact that you actually believe that is worrying.
Just think about it for a second.
70k is more than than Lead managers, group Team and a lot of Store Managers!
No SD or SM would sign that off for a TM.
As soon as they moved stores or groups the next SD & SM would know and they would be out of a job, along with the TM.
To be on 70k they would be on either £37.39 per hour basic or be on at least £30 per hour plus most sundays, night premiums etc.
Considering everyone on here complains about some TM's being on 30k which is £16 per hour, a TM being on over £30 per hour isn't going to happen.
What would you say is the most a TM can earn then?
Have to laugh Night GAs looking for a pay rise and they are getting more than a shift manager in Lidl. Agency's do pay £17 an hour but they don't offer regular hours, work on your doorstep, pension contributions etc. Yes it's went downhill but it's private business sector where the pay was always terrible. Bet half your colleagues wouldn't even show up for interview at Lidl at £20 an hour because they like filling crisps all night then going down for a skive at the sandwich cabinet and they would last. People can't even last at morrisons without asking back to Tesco.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-10-21, 09:45AM
What would you say is the most a TM can earn then?
Same rate as a shift manager at Lidl would be generous.
The TMs at Tesco do f all in comparison.
Quote from: Tesla on 27-10-21, 11:45AM
Have to laugh Night GAs looking for a pay rise and they are getting more than a shift manager in Lidl. Agency's do pay £17 an hour but they don't offer regular hours, work on your doorstep, pension contributions etc. Yes it's went downhill but it's private business sector where the pay was always terrible. Bet half your colleagues wouldn't even show up for interview at Lidl at £20 an hour because they like filling crisps all night then going down for a skive at the sandwich cabinet and they would last. People can't even last at morrisons without asking back to Tesco.
You right, there two kind of people asking for better pay. The most useless and the best ones.
Your crisp example is perfect. In our SS people cant fill the crisps aisle and moan that work is hard but at the same time we have one perosn on produce (3aisles) moaning that is not receiving help and work is n ot worth the money.
Guy from our store is in Aldi. Money is good, progression but hours sucks. One week its 3 days other week 6 days. People who are trully weak at work are kicked out asap or just leave beacuse they cant handle the work. Very high pace and preasure.
Maybe company should introduce prformance related pay. Keep low wages where it should be and pay decent one to those who realy desrve it.
70k :o ;D
Pull the other one
What's the upper range on TM earnings then? I knew of some Express SMs on £70k a year years ago until a management changed happened and they and the PM were forced out of the business, and the new range seems to be £29.6k-£50k a year.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-10-21, 02:59PM
What's the upper range on TM earnings then? I knew of some Express SMs on £70k a year years ago until a management changed happened and they and the PM were forced out of the business, and the new range seems to be £29.6k-£50k a year.
An absolute maximum for TM's before premiums would be 35k, however there is literally a handful in the company on that, and most will be Leads etc that have stepped down.
The more realistic maximum is 32k for TM's that have been a manager since 2004 with green/blue/met etc reviews, probably started as a Stock or Compliance manager and or worked in an Extra.
There was a few years on the trott were a lot of long serving managers didn't get a pay rise due to them earning too much, and it's only been the past 3-5 years they started to receive them again but at a much lower rate compared to the lower earning managers in stores.
Not bad for reading newspapers at the front door, watching people work on cctv and taking people for daft let's talks and investigation for clocking in too early. No wonder Aldi and Lidl are running rings round them.
To be fair, that's more work than what the more highly paid Lead Team does, sitting in the costa with other lead team or the SM and making fun of their underlings.
Quote from: Morris999 on 26-10-21, 06:41PM
Team Managers salary ranges between 22.5k-70k!
I've read some bulls*** on here but I think that has to be the best one.
I agree that the above pay band is rubbish.
I know for an absolute fact that when Tesco begged me to return after I took redundancy in 2015 I was brought back on one of the highest TM salaries in the company. After a few pay rises since I am now on 52k per year, plus I had my length of service reinstated in case of future redundancy situation (except for the statutory redundancy part of any future redundancy of course).
I am in the NW of England. I suppose in London there may be a few TMs on 55k plus but only a handful.
:-*
How can you have your length of service reinstated after redundancy, that sounds well iffy to me but then in this company nothing would come as that much of a shock anymore.
It's happened In ours, one was given redundancy straight into dotcom next week, kept his benefits and holidays etc, been with company about 17 or so years... So surprising with it...
Quote from: penguin on 01-11-21, 06:06PM
How can you have your length of service reinstated after redundancy, that sounds well iffy to me but then in this company nothing would come as that much of a shock anymore.
It's not about what you know it's about who you know :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: penguin on 01-11-21, 06:06PM
How can you have your length of service reinstated after redundancy, that sounds well iffy to me but then in this company nothing would come as that much of a shock anymore.
I made it a condition of my returning. Without that I wouldn't have returned (well I probably would have but wasn't going to let them know that). It was to protect me against any future redundancy. The only thing they couldn't do was reinstate my service for the purpose of working out any statutory redundancy I may be due in the event of another redundancy. In order to combat that i insisted on a significant pay rise over my old contract and they agreed.
I was lucky to be honest as I was in another job by then, and a much better paid one than Tesco too, but I missed the cut and thrust of working for Tesco, and they approached me to come back. My SM and SD asked to meet me for a coffee and it went from there.
I also get an average of two Saturdays per 6 weeks off too as my job I was in after Tesco didn't work weekends.
It's simply about knowing your own worth and not being afraid to demand it. SMs and SDs are human beings. They respect strength and being forthright in one's opinions. They asked me to come back. Apparently my old store "needed a strong manager" to support the senior leadership team. I told them what I wanted, I told them I wasn't prepared to enter a negotiation. Ie: pay me what I demand or I don't come back.
They caved and back I came. Fingers crossed I'll get another redundancy in the next couple of years as with having saved most of the last one, with another of a similar amount I'm going to retire abroad and out my feet up.
Agree with the sentiment above, in my case though it can't work, I was an underappreciated shift leader when I left and am now on 6 figures. I won't be retiring any time soon though, I'm a fair way off from financial freedom.
How can you be on a 6 figure salary but also some way off of financial freedom...
A studio flat where I live on average costs £400k (and this isn't in London) meaning I can't even get a mortgage to buy a house on that money, with how inflation is heading, you'd need to either already own a house in the south east or struggle indefinitely as house prices raise faster than what you can save on £100k a year.
That is why you should invest in Tesla. Only other way is to start selling powder.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 02-11-21, 10:09PM
A studio flat where I live on average costs £400k (and this isn't in London) meaning I can't even get a mortgage to buy a house on that money, with how inflation is heading, you'd need to either already own a house in the south east or struggle indefinitely as house prices raise faster than what you can save on £100k a year.
Mate you've had a pay rise of over 70k a year. With discipline you could save 140k in two years easily. That gives you a purchase price of over 600k.
Buy two properties for that elsewhere in the country, rent them out, and use the profit on rent (you should receive a yield of around 7-10% a year) plus your increased wage to rent somewhere decent.
Life is easy if you are disciplined.
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Quote from: vyvan70 on 25-10-21, 12:50PM
National Living Wage set to rise to £9.50 an hour https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59038076
The BBC just published the minimum wage rising to £9.50 in the budget, giving a 6.6% increase over the current minimum. This would mean Tesco employees on the base rate would be virtually on minimum wage. Will Tesco be raising currently pay rates to match the percentage increase?
i was wondering the same thing but I've never heard of tesco doing a wage increase in april, I bet we will get a tiny 30p an hour increase by october and thats it. - I mean we WERE promised over £10 an hour by at least 1 - 2 years ago, but yet to see any of that happening.
If minimum wage will go up by 5% in 2023 then it would be £9.97. If we receive payrise in autumn 2022 then you could expect atleast 5%.
Now when Tesco wage will be in par with NMW any huge jump of NMW is and would be huge cost for a company that already spent so much on driving costs down.
At the moment we can expect huge shake up around pay structure. Or basic rate stay in line with NMW or will go up to something like £10+ but premiums or night team will be scrapped.
Sack all management and make it a GA run co-operative :D otherwise we will be seeing big changes when 90% of the checkouts have gone to self service by 2022 they should be able to afford it, when colleagues are forced to have multi skill and do many department they can afford it, when colleagues are pushed to the brink and just leave as many are doing at the moment they can afford it, when new starters are given such crappy contracts and the Union doesn't bat an eye they can afford it and when the fat cats at the top just skim the cream constantly they may not be able to afford it.......... what did Dave Lewis ever achieve whilst at the helm ??? besides causing misery to many with redundancies to so called streamline the company he got paid from my point of view for doing something anybody with half a brain could have done, the only good idea I have seen in the last decade is the clubcard linked deals everything else is just to appease the shareholders but they forget the biggest shareholders in the company are the GA's
There is only so much cutting back they can do eventually they will run out of thing to cut then they will be snookered.
Being snookered is often resolved by a bit of deep screwing! :D
Managers on "6 figure salaries" and can't get a mortgage are clearly ones who have no financial management skills. Totally baffling! Good luck with your retirement- you'll be renting a house when you retire haha!
I'm not a manager lol, I'm a VP for a public sector body. Also a modest 2 bedroom house where I live (South East not in London) has an average price of around £850k. Meaning if you have a 20% deposit (£170k) you'll need £680k to pay the rest. Mortgage providers in exceptional circumstances will offer 5x your salary meaning you need to be earning around £137k a year for that exceptional rate to pay the rest and legal fees (never mind SDLT).
now that we are basically minimum wage you kinda wonder what the real pull of working for them over literally anywhere else. no bonuses (please don't tell me it wasn't guaranteed, it basically was till the preverbal hit the fan). actually years ago when they took the shares in success off us I did point out it was so we had an invested interest in the company, I was just told thats wrong...weird that they are called shares in success then isn't it. so less and less premiums, no bonus, a pension hardly worth having at all. lack of stores with night teams so less chance to earn more on night shifts....oh and you cant even get full shifts on a contract let alone 36.5 hours a week. everyone should just use the company for what they need to then get out, and probably avoid retail full stop to be fair
Never seen the company so badly since the Lewis era and now......work to rule do your shift at your pace not what some pathetic computer model dictates and as above no incentive what's so ever.
Quote from: thor god of thunder on 22-11-21, 03:20PM
now that we are basically minimum wage you kinda wonder what the real pull of working for them over literally anywhere else. no bonuses (please don't tell me it wasn't guaranteed, it basically was till the preverbal hit the fan). actually years ago when they took the shares in success off us I did point out it was so we had an invested interest in the company, I was just told thats wrong...weird that they are called shares in success then isn't it. so less and less premiums, no bonus, a pension hardly worth having at all. lack of stores with night teams so less chance to earn more on night shifts....oh and you cant even get full shifts on a contract let alone 36.5 hours a week. everyone should just use the company for what they need to then get out, and probably avoid retail full stop to be fair
I'd say except for the coop and Icelands, Tesco is the worst, better off literally at any other competitor, though I will say there is a limit to how good food retail can be and as s*** as Tesco is, the ones that are better aren't so by a lot , my friend quit his job to work in a phone shop, 1,000x less stress, full time hours and paid around £20k a year.
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Coop part is actually sooo true, I'm talking from experience. Sadly retail is just a poor man's labour.
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Quote from: thor god of thunder on 22-11-21, 03:20PM
now that we are basically minimum wage you kinda wonder what the real pull of working for them over literally anywhere else. no bonuses (please don't tell me it wasn't guaranteed, it basically was till the preverbal hit the fan). actually years ago when they took the shares in success off us I did point out it was so we had an invested interest in the company, I was just told thats wrong...weird that they are called shares in success then isn't it. so less and less premiums, no bonus, a pension hardly worth having at all. lack of stores with night teams so less chance to earn more on night shifts....oh and you cant even get full shifts on a contract let alone 36.5 hours a week. everyone should just use the company for what they need to then get out, and probably avoid retail full stop to be fair
I'd say except for the coop and Icelands, Tesco is the worst, better off literally at any other competitor, though I will say there is a limit to how good food retail can be and as s*** as Tesco is, the ones that are better aren't so by a lot , my friend quit his job to work in a phone shop, 1,000x less stress, full time hours and paid around £20k a year.
sorry didn't know how to cut down the quote! while I accept the basic wag is never going to be great in retail, its more the fact its hard to actually earn anything. like 12 max shifts...I remember doing 16 hours on a Sunday for example.or when you worked past 36.5 hours you would get a little extra on your hourly rate. I think most of us would accept pretty naff wages if you were treated with some kind of value. it feels a numbers game now, just throw a few extra rubbish unmanaged and untrained staff at it and it will be ok, while if your any good at your job your brain dribbles out of your ears!
im down too a couple of shifts a week trying to do other things now as it cant be as bad as scrambling around for hours anymore.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/tesco/tesco-dc-workers-to-vote-on-christmas-strike-action-in-pay-dispute/662107.article
They will need to do something to get a Christmas break.
Not only dc ,s that need a decent pay rise what about store staff we are on nearly minimum wage whilst dc staff get more that 2 pounds a n hour more or even more than that.There could be a reason why they are sending in pallet after pallet of stock to stores because it has never been this bad before Xmas ever.you can't move in our warehouse .Looks like the hierarchy are not going to budge.
Usdaw are backing the DC s to strike yet they sold out on our right to strike the reason for this strike is the increased cost of living for staff in DC's don't they think that we have that in stores also, whatever is agreed between usdaw and Tesco needs to be repeated in store.
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....4% is not enough in DC but 2.7% for store staff is ok... ???
I haven't been at Tesco long enough to know the history - but clearly whatever the Usdaw Collective agreement (re: Store Staff ) was when it was agreed, it doesn't feel too good now does it.
To be honest, I don't know how effective any strike action would be in stores - unless it received such backing so as to close stores - if a DC closes for a few days, it is not as transparent to the public - albeit there may be more gaps on the shelves - but with all the publicity about shortages for various reasons in the last few months the public are somewhat immune to noticing much different.
As for any "competitive" rate of pay for store staff - unfortunately, the Lidl news doesn't exactly paint a pretty picture - albeit it sounds great for Lidl workers.
In reality, it's a pay award coming in during March - so potentially a few weeks of being £10.10 vs. £8.91 NLW = around 14% above NLW - but from April it's 60p about NLW - or less than 7%.
Clearly, if Te$co hold at £9.55 for any length of time, then we will be minimally above the NLW - but I do think T might bring in a pay increase sooner than we have been used to - it might not be a lot - but it will stave off criticism of being literally paying peanuts above NLW -
What I mean about the Lidl deal is that it doesn't set the bar that high - there's no reason for Tesco to beat it - so that gives us an indication that any new deal from T will be around £9.85 range.....
and always that potential that some of our allowances might be taken away.
With the recent shock of the BOE keeping the base rate at 0.1%, 5% inflation is now expected before April next year. The cause of this inflation isn't just supply shortages, but also labour shortages. In an economic environment where everyone is paying over the odds, nobody will want to be the penny picher here, much less so the Big T.
Compound this with Amazon coming in with 260 stores and a view of market dominance in the next few years, and now the grocery landscape is looking to become extremely competitive. Amazon acting as a particularly large ship staff can jump to if they feel they're inadequately compensated.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 25-11-21, 07:55AM
Not only dc ,s that need a decent pay rise what about store staff we are on nearly minimum wage whilst dc staff get more that 2 pounds a n hour more or even more than that.There could be a reason why they are sending in pallet after pallet of stock to stores because it has never been this bad before Xmas ever.you can't move in our warehouse .Looks like the hierarchy are not going to budge.
50% of the shopfloor staff and 90% of the checkout staff wouldnt last 1 day in the depot
Regarding Lidl, entry pay might not be extremely higher than NMW but people with lenght of service get way more. It's going to be 11.40 p/h, correct me but if i rember right they offer higher pay after first and then second year.
I'm full behind our DC brothers and sisters and I hope they get what they want, its not up to them to fight our battles in store.
Up the workers.
Quote from: madness on 25-11-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 25-11-21, 07:55AM
Not only dc ,s that need a decent pay rise what about store staff we are on nearly minimum wage whilst dc staff get more that 2 pounds a n hour more or even more than that.There could be a reason why they are sending in pallet after pallet of stock to stores because it has never been this bad before Xmas ever.you can't move in our warehouse .Looks like the hierarchy are not going to budge.
50% of the shopfloor staff and 90% of the checkout staff wouldnt last 1 day in the depot
id say those % are a bit high! its a different world in dc and unless you have worked there you defo don't understand the difference
I would say that that statement is nonsense there is little to say shop staff can not do what DC workers do, the real issue here is not how the jobs compare but that all staff are getting a decent wage and the facts that USDAW are supporting with call to strike for a fairer increase for DCs is disloyal of USDAW to not see that the 2.7 % for store staff this year was simply not enough.
Not many stores are minus 25 degrees I imagine and not many store staff could load tons of cages onto a trailer by hand, just saying 😜
exactly, morbidly obese middle aged sandra, helen and agnes are all going to load tonnes of stock in cold conditions.
Go have a look at the checkouts on any weekday 9-3 its all this type, weekends are the kids who are just thre for beer money.
Well we hope you get the pay rises, it just helps us get ours later too with leigh day :D
you keep plodding on making messes we have to clean up at the stores, more you strike and problems means more give in's and ammunition lol.
And yet we need everybody to function. Distribution do not serve the public. They don't have to put a smile on the face no matter how they are feeling inside. They are the ones who put the money in the till and in turn that pays the wages of all.
We need people at all levels and abilities. Loading cages in cold conditions may be a hard physical tsk but it's a job you applied for and work in. Others are still needed, it's the whole package that delivers. You may not want to do a checkout job but until you see that it is others still matter, even if the job may not be as physically demanding.
We are all cogs in a wheel and by dismissing others divides us and weakens the bargaining. Other roles are demanding, just in a different way.
Quote from: Zx81 on 28-11-21, 12:19AM
Not many stores are minus 25 degrees I imagine and not many store staff could load tons of cages onto a trailer by hand, just saying 😜
Apparently, given the state of the cages I pull off the wagons a couple of times a day, not many DC staff can correctly stack them either. You lot are fire and forget: shove the cages on to the wagons in any condition and let the stores sort out the mess. Literally.
Also, you lot only have to deal with managers. We have to deal with managers
and customers. And it's a dead heat as to which group is dumber and more annoying.
And I haven't even mentioned the apparent inability of DC's
to actually deliver on time. Pretty much every day we get stock top ups that should have been in store the previous evening.
So get off your high horse, pal. You're fooling no one. ;)
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I cant find the post about striking, but some agency workers have been brought in from a dc about to strike to get trained up on loading and so on. Is this allowed?
This is related to pay issue. :P
https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes (https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes)
QuoteYou cannot hire agency staff to provide temporary work cover during a strike.
Agency staff who are already in place as part of normal business can carry on as usual.
Thanks nomad
"during" will probably be interpreted as after staff walk out or have not reported for work.
" in place as part of normal business " would that be in any sector of the business ?
Like most of what Government says/does it's never clear cut and mostly ambiguous.
Yep, you can interpret it in so many ways it's basically meaningless
Tesco is facing potential disruption ahead of the key Christmas period at more than half of its 22 UK distribution centres, unless an agreement is reached with its staff.
The union Usdaw said 5,000 of its members had rejected a proposed 4% annual pay rise.
They will join Unite union members in taking industrial action at a total of 14 of the supermarket chain's distribution centres.
Surely this is going to cause panic buying and absolute carnage.
Only to those who are daft enough :-X last I knew there are numerous other supermarket chains out there, I certainly don't intend to enter the fray of an overpriced Tesco, as I need my Tesco brand mince pie fix :)
Quote from: barafear on 25-11-21, 12:12PM
I haven't been at Tesco long enough to know the history - but clearly whatever the Usdaw Collective agreement (re: Store Staff ) was when it was agreed, it doesn't feel too good now does it.
To be honest, I don't know how effective any strike action would be in stores - unless it received such backing so as to close stores - if a DC closes for a few days, it is not as transparent to the public - albeit there may be more gaps on the shelves - but with all the publicity about shortages for various reasons in the last few months the public are somewhat immune to noticing much different.
As for any "competitive" rate of pay for store staff - unfortunately, the Lidl news doesn't exactly paint a pretty picture - albeit it sounds great for Lidl workers.
In reality, it's a pay award coming in during March - so potentially a few weeks of being £10.10 vs. £8.91 NLW = around 14% above NLW - but from April it's 60p about NLW - or less than 7%.
Clearly, if Te$co hold at £9.55 for any length of time, then we will be minimally above the NLW - but I do think T might bring in a pay increase sooner than we have been used to - it might not be a lot - but it will stave off criticism of being literally paying peanuts above NLW -
What I mean about the Lidl deal is that it doesn't set the bar that high - there's no reason for Tesco to beat it - so that gives us an indication that any new deal from T will be around £9.85 range.....
and always that potential that some of our allowances might be taken away.
When you are on £9.55 and pay into a pension you would need to look into whether you are going below the NMW you can contact your pension advisor about this as they would need to opt you out of your payment before tax.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 25-11-21, 07:55AM
Not only dc ,s that need a decent pay rise what about store staff we are on nearly minimum wage whilst dc staff get more that 2 pounds a n hour more or even more than that.There could be a reason why they are sending in pallet after pallet of stock to stores because it has never been this bad before Xmas ever.you can't move in our warehouse .Looks like the hierarchy are not going to budge.
Anyone that thinks DCs are on 2 pound an hour more than stores is wrong. 40p to 80p maybe as all distribution centres are on different rates.
I know this is probably not the right place but I've searched high and low and high again. I pay £2.64 "personal insurance" through my wage- who is this going to does anyone have any insight into the policy and how I can contact them? Been paying it for about 5 years and can find nothing at all t.i.a
Hmm I think it's something to do with USDAW. Check their website.
Thought I'd reawaken this thread - even though we're now in 2022.
So with other supermarkets already announcing pay increases for their staff - Sainsbury's being the most recent - upping to £10/hr - when are Tesco likely to follow suit?
Sainsbury's seemed to be at much the same time as their Christmas trading update (which was today) - Tesco are reporting theirs tomorrow I believe - wonder if any mention about pay - or as most of us fear, we'll be pretty much paid at NLW from April. by the way the Sainsbury's increase is applicable from 22 March.
If you have a forum coming up in your store put forward for a pay increase say 6% as the same as DC'S and lorry drivers got then hopefully that will go to the national forum.
Even Pret A Manger are paying there staff £10 an hour!!
Not even sure we've got any reps I store, let alone Forum!! Also, 6% would only take us to 10.10 and that might also be at the cost of premiums and also highly unlikely to be paid from March
Tesco is very crafty in their pay review timings, their last for instance was their red herring 5p above Sainsbury's increase, but Sainsbury's rate of pay was above Tesco for most of the year, a few months later Sainsbury's ups it to £10. When looked at macroscopically (https://www.thefreedictionary.com/macroscopically), all the competitors except Iceland and Coop pay more than Tesco.
Tesco only gives the illusion it pays more by having their pay review timings half a year after the competition, this means they can get up to all kind of illusionary shenanigans.
A manager in Lidl gets about £12 an hour. Retail has historically been a poor paid sector. What do people expect. Inflation is not 6% either.
Tesco actively made a shift from being the better paid retail company many years ago.
It was shortsighted and caused a great deal of long service members to leave combined with a far worse pension and slowly declining benefits package they are racing to the bottom and seem surprised when staff retention levels plummet as does job satisfaction and thereby customer satisfaction its short sighted and stupid business management.
But who cares when they're getting paid their exorbitant salaries
Unfortunately, rather predictably, the trading update today was not accompanied by any "good news" for staff - I had a look at the early comments on OurT@sco, and it appears they all mentioned this lack of "thank you or a bonus" - I do agree with the race to the bottom - but it does seem hard to understand. Hey ho.
Quote from: TESLA lol on 12-01-22, 10:46PM
A manager in Lidl gets about £12 an hour. Retail has historically been a poor paid sector. What do people expect. Inflation is not 6% either.
We are NOT Lidl and Tesco used to be about £1 over the minimum wage when I started.
Retail may be a poorly paid sector but Tesco wages have been going backwards in real terms for a long time. Tesco have made vast profits because of our combined efforts and also because of the pandemic but still they plead poverty when it comes to paying us appropriately. I'm sure you'll notice that senior management and above do not have any problems trousering their enormous payrises every year but grudgingly offer us crumbs that we are meant to be grateful for.
As for inflation not being 6%, well it's not far off that. Maybe your bills are not going up by much but I would say everybody elses' are. Prices in store are going up by an awful lot more than 6%, mortgages/rents are rising and don't start me on electricity!
I live in a very cold part of the country which is all electric. When I read about the increases coming for the 'average' household I'm actually quite envious as I'm already paying that and more. Goodness only knows what kind of increase I'm going to face.
Market supplements for skills and Team Supports have stood still for three years. The 2021 pay review announcement stated that they would be reviewed jointly with USDAW to be concluded by the end of 2021.
News on this?
When they brought in the skills payments you could see what they were thinking. The wage per hour has to go up if only to keep up with the living wage but skills payments do not. All these shift leaders coming in on what they think are decent wages are now finding out how poorly paid they really are.
They have to do all the openings and closings and a lot of the work managers used to do. Managers leaving at 6pm latest, hand them a list of jobs that they want done by tomorrow, even though they've not got around to doing them. AM appears and picks out totally petty things to complain about (apparantly doesn't notice how understaffed we are) and these get added to the lists.
Shift leaders have to pick up overtime and have their shifts rearranged at short notice and all for a couple of £s extra an hour (£1.81?)
The pay differentials for hourly paid roles have been decreasing year on year, whenever they do their pay reviews, the last few have been static pay increases to hourly paid roles regardless of skill level.
There was a massive Express Shift Leader retention problem years ago, it seems today nothings changed, the hourly pay has gotten worse when factoring in inflation, without shift leaders, Express stores can't run, they'll have to get SMs to run shifts which takes them away from their SM duties.
They really need to recognize Express Shift Leaders as salaried managers for the level of responsibility they have, compared to their competitors, at the moment they are the 2nd from bottom when compared with equivalent roles.
Totally agree on the express shift leader pay, and I speak as someone who has done the job, but then wages in retail in general are on a race to the bottom, the days when Tesco paid a fair rate to those below management level has long gone, in fact those days went about ten or more years ago, now you can earn more working in the local Amazon warehouse and so on.
I know 4 Express SMs that in the past 5 months, about 70% of their shifts were running the early or late, one of them was baking for 1 month straight it's that bad, the Area Managers are acutely aware of the Express Shift Leader retention problem, so much so that the KPIs they have for SM performance around staff turnover and coaching shift leaders is currently embargoed (as far as I'm aware, specifically in London and Brighton stores where the cost of living are the highest in the country and as such, where recruitment and retention is currently most challenged) as all SMs in the group bar 1 or 2 exceptions would fail.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 24-01-22, 03:00PM
The pay differentials for hourly paid roles have been decreasing year on year, whenever they do their pay reviews, the last few have been static pay increases to hourly paid roles regardless of skill level.
There was a massive Express Shift Leader retention problem years ago, it seems today nothings changed, the hourly pay has gotten worse when factoring in inflation, without shift leaders, Express stores can't run, they'll have to get SMs to run shifts which takes them away from their SM duties.
They really need to recognize Express Shift Leaders as salaried managers for the level of responsibility they have, compared to their competitors, at the moment they are the 2nd from bottom when compared with equivalent roles.
You mean like the Deputy Managers that each Express had until 6 or so years ago? ;)
DSM's were made redundant as a cost cutting measure, to Dave's credit though, that was one of his better decisions, you do not need 3 layers of management in an express store, each DSM was replaced with 1 shift leader and 1 part time shift leader, the mistake came from not increasing Shift Leaders pay in light of their "5%" increase in responsibility.
For what a Shift Leader does in Express, they are easily equivalent (in some cases more so) than TMs in superstore, especially now that they have SL's in the structure, the main key difference is SL in Express and SL in SS is that the Express SL is the highest authority present 80% of the time when the SM isn't there, they also have responsibility for the premises and S&L while in SS there's someone more senior who manages that present.
SL in Express should have always been a salaried role at around just above base TM salary (in todays money about £24k a year.)
I know a bit too much about Express having spent 3+ years as a TL. The SL role is very varied in demand. A well-staffed shift and you can get a lot done without too much stress, but find that you have only one CA past 19.30 and a late grocery delivery and life can be quite unpleasant. I'm doing my best to avoid going back.
Howver, back on topic, I'll be interested to see how much of a rise on the skills payment is offered and whether they fudge it further by offering extra in London for example.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60279019 interesting interview with Tesco chairman John Allan on the bbc in particular the last paragraph. Basically saying they are in current negotiations, distribution colleagues were giving a 5/6 % increase and it will be similar for store colleagues.
My pay review is on-going. I do know I got a 28% pay rise to my on-call rate, previously it was a bit below night premium and now it's 55p per hour more (£1.95 more on bank holidays). For my base salary though I reckon I'm getting a 10% pay rise.
With inflation hitting 7.25% in April, there will be a strong justification for at least a 5% raise, especially for the night premium rate.
This is Tesco we're talking about though, my educated guess is that they will headline a 5.5% increase to wages, while in reality, night premium will be stuck at £2.25 an hour, CA's will get the 5.5% increase and all other hourly roles will get the same nominal value increase as the CA, so if we say a CA's hourly goes up 5.5% from £9.55 to £10.08 an hour (a 53p increase) the 53p will be what all the higher more skilled roles will get as well, this will also serve to diminish the the pay differentials between CA and Shift Leader yet again. If this does happen Shift Leaders may as well leave Tesco to become either a bin man or if female, an Onlyfans girl.
The Team Support/Shift Leader skills payment was supposedly under review with that due to complete by Christmas 2021. I asked my rep 10 days ago if she knew when the review was due to be published. Unsurprisingly I'm still waiting for an answer.
Night premium went up from £2.21 to £2.30 last pay rise. Hope you're right about over £10 an hour!
Could be where this talk of Shift Leaders becoming salaried is stemming from, the role packs have been updated (in Express anyway) for Shift Leaders, they've added more responsibility to the role. The role was severely underpaid and notoriously difficult to recruit for before they added these new responsibilities, now that they have added these new responsibilities, I'm guessing they can no longer justify Shift Leaders being paid less than £2 an hour more than a CA.
Quote from: StinkyPoo on 06-02-22, 05:50PM
Night premium went up from £2.21 to £2.30 last pay rise. Hope you're right about over £10 an hour!
Yes, the first raise in 5 years (I was working nights when they did the last increase it was that long ago.) Thanks for the correction though, I knew it had increased last year but I thought from £2.21 to £2.25, not £2.30, my mistake, my on-call rate increased from £2.20 to £2.80 (£4.20 on bank holidays), but to be fair, that was the first rate increase we've had on it for 22 years apparently.
I also think that dotcom driver skills payment will increase. Quite a while ago now there was a new skills payment bracket introduced for dotcom drivers only.
They can increase night pay to whatever they like. In 12 months time probably not gonna be many colleagues working nights to claim it.
out of interest what's the extra responsibilities they've put on SLs? Didn't think their was any they could without the role essentially becoming a TM/DM role
One of the new responsibilities is to deal with shop lifters, not too sure on the others but an Express SM should be aware.
Also there are Express stores that are 24/7 esso express sites and those that are too busy to not have a night team, structure change can't get rid of them considering how bare bones Express is already (even more so now they've got rid of the part time shift leader role.)
The esso express fuel site I used to work in would take 30-40k a week for the hours between 10pm-7am, Tesco would lose too much money reducing those opening hours.
We are going to £10hr but not till September union rep told some staff today but why September ages away
What's that about 4.5% increase? not great in the current climate really and I will be amazed if Sunday and bank holiday premiums are untouched.
Also Morrisons have been at £10 ph for 12 months already so I wound imagine they have a pay increase imminant too.
When taking into account the staggered increase and calculated in light of it (as Tesco does their increase 6-8 months after their competitors, their 45p increase is adjusted to 22p), I believe that puts them lowest or 2nd lowest in terms of base pay, (Icelands will probably go up to £9.80 around April in light of then being below minimum wage, Coop £9.90 an hour in March, Tesco £9.77 when adjusted for delay, but take into acount Sunday premo and they're about level with the Coop).
Considering Tesco has the largest market share, they pay their staff like some of the councils pay their bin men.
Bin men are better paid especially when they find some stolen art and a few 1000£ of blues.
Don't know where Leeds lad got his info from as the negotiations between Tesco & Usdaw are still ongoing for this year's pay increase. Nothing has yet been agreed.
Sure I just said we're i got my info from union rep told some staff today we are going to £10 a hour in September something about a 2 year paydeal
Quote from: leedslad on 04-03-22, 07:55PM
We are going to £10hr but not till September union rep told some staff today but why September ages away
So they'll be the number 1 lowest payer by then. >:D
Guess to get the £10 the union will sell us out and lose the Sunday premium, and for like the 6th year in a row I'll earn pennies more than I did in 2017
Keep the low/middle class working to pay for the pandemic and governments holiday homes. Then with the pennies left they may be able to buy a new pair of trainers and rent a car from Sir Arnold.
Tesco really is going to the dogs, I for the life of me can't figure out why the entire ga population of Tesco won't resign and get jobs as bin men for more money.
Anyone in the know about when the results of the current pay negotiations may be revealed. Thinking if its not going to be much may start looking for other jobs. I do quite enjoy what I do but I'm not going to continue doing it for peanuts when everyone around us seems to be getting decent pay increases.
Fatlad, you also have to take into consideration that the previous few rate rises occured in August/September, a good 6-8 months from when every competitor announced their pay rises. Yes you could argue that Tesco is giving their reviews at a point in time furthest away from any HMRC announcements on what the new minimum wage would be in April, but the thing about going with that approach is that every competitor is paying significantly more than Tesco for those 6-8 months before they implement their rate rise.
With this staggered approach being the case, it devalues the true amount offered to Tesco colleagues on the basis that from 4-6 months after Tescos pay rise, every competitor will be ahead again, with this being the case to get comparable measures of pay with the competition, you've got to multiply Tescos headline increase by 0.4 (halfway between 1/3 and 1/2). For example, an increase to £10 an hour wouldn't be the same as Morrison's or Sainsbury's increase to £10 an hour if they've done it 6-8 months ago, in 4-6 months, that £10 an hour will have increased while Tesco will still be paying £10 an hour until 1 year later.
Unless you regularly work Sundays, you're better off at any competitor except for Icelands.
The negotiations are ongoing its likely we will break the £10 an hour mark but its not finalised yet.
What's £10 an hour going to buy nowadays. You'll have to be working every hour.
the fascination with £10 per hour has in my opinion been a massive negative. the fact is that many premiums have been scrapped that if you are stupid enough to work for the company for the last 10 years....including me....if you work full time or more then full time your actually still earning less then you did 5 years ago. im sure the old dears doing 15-20 hours sat on a check out love the pay rises but anyone wanting to earn some kind of proper living simply cant any more. getting £10 an hour in the next pay rise doesn't really make any real benefit.
Honestly, being a bin man is the way to go, more money and have to deal with less s*** from Mickey Mouse Managers.
Quote from: TESLA on 05-03-22, 11:11PM
What's £10 an hour going to buy nowadays. You'll have to be working every hour.
People are going to have to learn to adapt, we all had to after the credit crunch back in 2008 and people will do now with the cost of living, maybe not the answer people want to get but like many I have lived through previous times of economic downturns and you have to simply get on with it. Do not think I am loaded and sitting here giving a lecture I am seeing my electric bill go sky high, gas going up, phone contract going up, thankfully on a fixed rate deal on the mortgage right now but everything else is becoming more expensive and this trend seems like it will continue for a while yet as the long term effects of the pandemic and the Russian attack in Ukraine are felt.
It's been that long now that everyone's been pushing for £10p/h that we should now be ousting for more as £10 is now a low hourly wage compared to some other jobs.
Pay negotations are still ongoing
Nothing has been finalised
Quote from: TESLA on 04-03-22, 10:53PM
Quote from: leedslad on 04-03-22, 07:55PM
We are going to £10hr but not till September union rep told some staff today but why September ages away
So they'll be the number 1 lowest payer by then. >:D
Let's be honest, the union have pretty much zero say in our next wage deal. The Tesco board will decide the deal between themselves and it will entirely depend on:
- Do they want to at least keep SOME of the staff with at least a few years experience?
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- Do they want to save themselves the embarassment and outrage of being the largest retailer in Britain and a member of the FTSE 100 and only paying minimum wage?
I expect that they'll do what recent history suggests, which is, to give a pay-rise that not long after actually making it into your pay packet is almost caught up by the minimum wage a few months later. So they may announce a wage of £10, for example, but you won't start getting it until later this year, then early next year the minimum wage will go up to £9.90. They basically track just above the minimum wage for all intents and purposes nowadays give or take several months. With no bonus any more too, because apparently we told them we didn't want a bonus any more a few years ago. That turned out well...
its even better then that, we apparently get our bonus in our hourly wage! but wait we should be thankful as we were never guaranteed our bonus before but now we get it every pay day! never heard so much rubbish in my life. they must think all the staff have only been there a couple of years. I had 10 years of a bonus every year till they lied to the stock exchange and ruined everything. it won't make £10 this next rise it will be about £9.90 I think. it will be interesting to see of and when they take Sunday premiums away, that could be the year it crosses £10
interesting discussion about our "impending pay review" - not sure what this fascination is about becoming a bin man!!
Surely if shop floor staff feel the job they do is comparable to working in a depot - then why not get a job in a depot - where the wages are around 20% higher than shops/NLW and seemingly after the last minute deal to avert the strike action conditions/benefits are better too.
My thoughts on working for Tesco and future changes are that there is a continued move towards automation and cutting back on staff. The latest being the change from "one in front service" to "a timed wait period for customers" - meaning that Tesco need fewer staff on the tills - less need to do multistaff call - so probably less staff on the shopfloor.
Keep pushing scan as you shop - keep pushing online shopping -
I heard talk of doing something about our discount card - perhaps having more 15% days - it does seem that Tesco have "bowed to criticism" from staff on two "small" things on "OurTesco" in the last few months - firstly the 20% Christmas discount - which originally was counting towards people's discount limit - and then at the last minute, Tesco did a U Turn. And the latest was that for the whole of March discounts are continuing to apply for people that have reached their limits.
I guess an increase to the £1000 limit is overdue - so that might come and be lauded as an additional benefit.
As we've seen from Tesco in the last few pay reviews, they will spin it in a very positive way even if people are not benefitting as much as others.
I agree with the general sentiment that Tesco will just do the "minimum" to be legal - and its got to such a point that if they do maintain Sunday/BH premiums, we'll all be very grateful - rather than remembering the reduction from double to 1.5 to 1.25 in the last few years.
I guess as time passes,there are fewer and fewer people who got double time or even 1.5 - so if/when the change is made to a flat rate, then there won't be so many deflectors.
I also agree that the way Tesco have taken things away from us and told us that it's what we wanted is a bit ungracious too - but I guess they will continue to do it - no doubt at some stage when the premiums are removed, we'll be told it's because we all wanted it to happen.
Maybe our tiny little brains can't compute all these complicated pay rates/codes - so let's just have one simple £10/hr rate (and match NLW)!!!
In time Tesco will have to pay the same as distribution as it's going through the courts the longer it goes on the more compensation for those who signed up.So while they can limit the pay rise the more they save ,but will have to pay out in the future.
We need the pay rise in April with the way cost of living is rising. I can no longer afford to shop at Tesco now. I just buy a few products that I like when we have 15%, but shopping with the discounters now and saving a small fortune.
Quote from: barafear on 07-03-22, 01:54PM
interesting discussion about our "impending pay review" - not sure what this fascination is about becoming a bin man!!
Surely if shop floor staff feel the job they do is comparable to working in a depot - then why not get a job in a depot - where the wages are around 20% higher than shops/NLW and seemingly after the last minute deal to avert the strike action conditions/benefits are better too.
My thoughts on working for Tesco and future changes are that there is a continued move towards automation and cutting back on staff. The latest being the change from "one in front service" to "a timed wait period for customers" - meaning that Tesco need fewer staff on the tills - less need to do multistaff call - so probably less staff on the shopfloor.
Keep pushing scan as you shop - keep pushing online shopping -
I heard talk of doing something about our discount card - perhaps having more 15% days - it does seem that Tesco have "bowed to criticism" from staff on two "small" things on "OurTesco" in the last few months - firstly the 20% Christmas discount - which originally was counting towards people's discount limit - and then at the last minute, Tesco did a U Turn. And the latest was that for the whole of March discounts are continuing to apply for people that have reached their limits.
I guess an increase to the £1000 limit is overdue - so that might come and be lauded as an additional benefit.
As we've seen from Tesco in the last few pay reviews, they will spin it in a very positive way even if people are not benefitting as much as others.
I agree with the general sentiment that Tesco will just do the "minimum" to be legal - and its got to such a point that if they do maintain Sunday/BH premiums, we'll all be very grateful - rather than remembering the reduction from double to 1.5 to 1.25 in the last few years.
I guess as time passes,there are fewer and fewer people who got double time or even 1.5 - so if/when the change is made to a flat rate, then there won't be so many deflectors.
I also agree that the way Tesco have taken things away from us and told us that it's what we wanted is a bit ungracious too - but I guess they will continue to do it - no doubt at some stage when the premiums are removed, we'll be told it's because we all wanted it to happen.
Maybe our tiny little brains can't compute all these complicated pay rates/codes - so let's just have one simple £10/hr rate (and match NLW)!!!
If I was in charge of compensation at a competitor, I would look at the when, rather than the what when it comes to detailing pay reviews. Tesco is on a staggered keel compared to the competition, by the time April comes, they will be paying 5p an hour above the minimum.
The benefits of doing the pay review when they do it (ideally positioned halfway between the previous and next tax year) is that they can showboat their lauded increase, but the actual value of the increase would be half as they've done it 6 months after everyone else. But nobody else would see this, most people would compare the new rate to the competitors who have had their rate for a good 6-8 months already.
In fact, when you consider that inflation is usually transient, Tesco employees are in effect double whammied by this. Tescos cost savings on the when and not the what are astronomical.
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Quote from: Hammer10 on 07-03-22, 03:17PM
In time Tesco will have to pay the same as distribution as it's going through the courts the longer it goes on the more compensation for those who signed up.So while they can limit the pay rise the more they save ,but will have to pay out in the future.
Do you know when our discount amount is renewed. Would it be April ?
We have to remember that tesco ceo and director are not people who are good to manage/expand business. They are here not for long, and will just try to get as much income as possible, pleasing those big stakeholder. It is all in tesco financial statement what they need to achieve, and what number for them to get remuneration.
It is base on positive financial statement on the stock market, and there, where all their extra remuneration come from.
To build a business are far different then just to achieved good quarterly report that can send positive vibe to the market. I really doubt even, if they understand completely about this business, judging from what the implementation of their policy.
Three layer of management in tesco, the top one, ceo and director, mid management and low management such sm etc.
While the top management know they got no ability to fight head on with much smaller business like aldi or lidl, they will look into the right part of the page, cutting expenses and keep some liquidity not into really low number, delay and cover method.
Meanwhile mid management will try to implement the higher management plan with some tweaking, no matter how absurd it will be and contra productive even, and the lower management sometimes sees it as the truth above the truth try to implement it in ott way.Fix some issues will be a last resort with emergency approach.
The management system is not working professionally, as no bottom up info and policy, but that is the benefit with this kind of management, not to do things right, as to get effective in most efficient way, but to do what you have been told. Another reason nepotism is common in career of this type of management.
So, are they really care about our income and benefit? no
Are they care about tesco business and future? no, at least as long as their career in this company.
What they gonna do is keep the expenses low or even lower since liquidity is not good from last year report, and that after selling some long term asset. Who knows what asset they will try to sell this year or what kind of cutting.
Good company will give increase as much as possible with the longest time, a 12 full month of financial year.
With tesco, if they can, they will try to give the smallest pay increase from the closest month to next march.
As long as if it is not disrupting business operational, it is acceptable for them.
What chance do we have when those at the top aren't even trying to make money?
If our pay rises were anywhere in line with the way prices are increasing in the stores then we're all set for bumper wages!!
I could list some of the rises (just on a few products I buy) - but I think we're all aware - and Tesco are not just putting prices up by 5% - most are 10%+ - couple of small examples:
Frijj milkshakes: Up 15%
Belgian Buns (twin pack): Up from £1.25 to £1.40 (10%+)
Of course our pay rise is not going to see us receiving a net 10%+ increase in our pay packets!!
If tesco can give pay rise inline with gov inflation base on customer price index, that will be generous....for tesco standard.
But we know our real inflation that can be tweak for personal condition or our family, will be much more than gov inflation number.
Just the basic, from housing, transport, weekly grocery shopping, daily shopping, energy bill and water, council tax and consumer expenses, we can see easily most people will fall more than 10% increase. And the difference between income and expenses will eat some saving/investment allocation, lower consumption in quantity or/and quality, leisure expenses, or even increase of debt.
Next month, expenses will increasing again, and tesco wont give pay rise next month. It will make the moral of staff even lower, and more resistance to management and customer. Whatever marketing trick they gonna use in summer won't be quite effective, and plus the company struggle with liquidity with a short term solution, they might come up with cutting more expenses, and sell more asset.
As long as it wont affect or disturb/halt business operational, they will go ahead with being stingy and "cut the branches " strategy.
They won't be able to hold off making us £10 an hour this year but it won't happen until October as always and if it is an the expense of the Sunday premium being axed I can see loads of people trying to jump ship from Sunday shifts prior to the change lol
Why would you work the weekend for almost no extra anyway when other companies are offering double time. People should put a stance to this. The inflation rises might push more people to join the dole at least then you can just ask for all expenses paid. Plenty of people with decent jobs getting a £500 wage rise for it all to be taken away in national insurance.
Part of me does wonder if time and a quarter will become extinct this year for Sundays and Bank Holiday given that (if I've understood correctly) anyone working the Platinum Jubilee (not sure if it's the Thursday or the Friday) will get their usual rate of pay plus time and a quarter on top.
Give with one hand and take with t'other!
Said years ago that the funding of minimum wage and its subsequent increases would be achieved by erosion of premiums and money from elsewhere and everyone around me laughed... the next thing is going to be hours, given constant cuts and restructures coupled with few premiums left to erode, getting £10 or more per hour will result in less hours being offered. You can earn £5 per hour and get a 20 hour contract or you can £10 per hour and get a 10 hour contract - either way you're only ever going to earn £100 and thus suffer more as inflation bites harder. The other issue this will cause very soon is a crisis of recruiting into certain roles - I mean, why should I get up at the crack of Dawn in the pouring rain to tip deliveries when I can stand on self scan for the same money at a more convenient time?
It's one of the global risks of govts introducing minimum wages. Can employers afford to pay them or will it result in hours being reduced or bonuses/overtime premiums being cut?
In theory, if staff costs increase (or for that matter any other costs), a business has two choices: Keep selling at the same price and achieve lower profits (or losses) or to pass on the cost of the increases to the consumer by way of price increases.
Govts factor in that by increasing NLW by 6% there will probably be a knock on effect in inflation - but so long as the inflation is manageable, all's well that ends well.
The current issue is that there are other outside factors which mean that we're currently running at an inflation rate of 6-8% (depending on which measure you look at) and that's before the new 6% increase in NLW kicks in.
Covid has had its impact.
Then travel costs/shortage of lorry drivers etc.
So costs of business have been increasing already - and that was before the utilites/gas price increases and now we're seeing ridiculous increases in petrol/diesel (albeit the main reason of it being the very sad happenings in Ukraine - which are a reminder to us all that here we all are moaning about being paid NLW but clearly there are worse things happening in the world.).
Record profit by Tesco, I don't care about how hard it is for them, pay me more than s*** while Tesco makes billions in profits
To right Hibobhi plain speaking hits the nail on the head!
Just wanted a whinge on the perennial subject of our "pay increase" (or as Tesco refer to it, Pay Review). I know that it's down to this agreement that "we" struck with Usdaw many years ago - and at the time, I'm sure it was felt that it was in everyone's benefit to do it the way it's done - now my whinge isn't really about whether Usdaw do well or bad by us - more a case of understanding quite how the system/process supposedly works.
If my understanding is correct, we go through a lengthy (months and months) process where supposedly Usdaw reps up and down the country collate our views (people who work in store and are in the union - or maybe even including those who are not) - then a select number of these reps (about 10-12 I think) supposedly sit on some sort of panel to have meetings with tesco hierarchy to discuss our demands and to negotiate out a suitable deal. But during this process, generally speaking the info is all hush hush - do other supermarkets operate in this manner? Or do they just come out and say "this is your new rate of pay from next April, get on with it"
I've worked in the public sector - and you'd think that process would be over-wieldy - but the chain of events there seems to be:
1) The union asks for some ridiculous pay rise (normally 10%+) justifying it by the fact that the staff are working for the benefit of society etc. In addition the Union will also probably demand more AL entitlement for everyone and a shorter working week (but still getting the same salary + 10% rise requested)
2) Within a short time frame, the Govt come back and offer 1% - and then the unions ask with dismay and say its deirsory and threaten strike actions and demand more meetings - and generally the Govt come back with a final offer - generally about 1.5% - and repeat the same cycle - unions go through the process of asking their members whether they want to strike - and yes it's a lengthy process - but at least employees know at all times what's being offered and what's being asked for by our unions.
With the Tesco process, it's all a big secret - and then when Tesco announce it, it's always dressed up as being "achieved in partnership with Usdaw" - "all staff have had their opportunity to have their say" (like when we all said we don't want an annual bonus, we'd rather have 30p/hour extra to bring us just about up to NLW) - and as haws been the case for the last few "reviews", Tesco then will generally delay the increase for many months - with the added words that Usdaw fought hard for that extra 10p/hour but it's only affordable to Tesco if we wait for six or seven months - it's quite frustrating - even though we are all now resigned to the fact that Tesco will only do the minimum it needs to do - and we know that probably from November we'll be earning the same hourly rate as already paid by the likes of our competitors - and we're all fairly sure that the paltry premiums paid for Sunday/BH/nights may well be compromised at some point -
I don't think it's much to look forward to - but why the long long delay!!
Everyone moaning about not getting paid enough. So ungrateful, It'll soon be Easter and you might get some nice colouring in pictures in the canteen.
Quote from: barafear on 21-03-22, 06:35PM
Just wanted a whinge on the perennial subject of our "pay increase" (or as Tesco refer to it, Pay Review). I know that it's down to this agreement that "we" struck with Usdaw many years ago - and at the time, I'm sure it was felt that it was in everyone's benefit to do it the way it's done - now my whinge isn't really about whether Usdaw do well or bad by us - more a case of understanding quite how the system/process supposedly works.
If my understanding is correct, we go through a lengthy (months and months) process where supposedly Usdaw reps up and down the country collate our views (people who work in store and are in the union - or maybe even including those who are not) - then a select number of these reps (about 10-12 I think) supposedly sit on some sort of panel to have meetings with tesco hierarchy to discuss our demands and to negotiate out a suitable deal. But during this process, generally speaking the info is all hush hush - do other supermarkets operate in this manner? Or do they just come out and say "this is your new rate of pay from next April, get on with it"
I've worked in the public sector - and you'd think that process would be over-wieldy - but the chain of events there seems to be:
1) The union asks for some ridiculous pay rise (normally 10%+) justifying it by the fact that the staff are working for the benefit of society etc. In addition the Union will also probably demand more AL entitlement for everyone and a shorter working week (but still getting the same salary + 10% rise requested)
2) Within a short time frame, the Govt come back and offer 1% - and then the unions ask with dismay and say its deirsory and threaten strike actions and demand more meetings - and generally the Govt come back with a final offer - generally about 1.5% - and repeat the same cycle - unions go through the process of asking their members whether they want to strike - and yes it's a lengthy process - but at least employees know at all times what's being offered and what's being asked for by our unions.
With the Tesco process, it's all a big secret - and then when Tesco announce it, it's always dressed up as being "achieved in partnership with Usdaw" - "all staff have had their opportunity to have their say" (like when we all said we don't want an annual bonus, we'd rather have 30p/hour extra to bring us just about up to NLW) - and as haws been the case for the last few "reviews", Tesco then will generally delay the increase for many months - with the added words that Usdaw fought hard for that extra 10p/hour but it's only affordable to Tesco if we wait for six or seven months - it's quite frustrating - even though we are all now resigned to the fact that Tesco will only do the minimum it needs to do - and we know that probably from November we'll be earning the same hourly rate as already paid by the likes of our competitors - and we're all fairly sure that the paltry premiums paid for Sunday/BH/nights may well be compromised at some point -
I don't think it's much to look forward to - but why the long long delay!!
USDAW is Tesco's puppet democracy, it has about as much legitimacy as democracy in Russia. USDAW is the victim in an abusive relationship with Tesco, Tesco is lord of all that is golden and lets USDAW stay around to make money from its members, but if USDAW crosses the line, Tesco will have no problem casting them asunder, you can think of it like diplomacy on the world stage, it gives the facade that world leaders are civilized and have embraced the age of enlightenment, hiding away the reality that might is right and as long as a country has nuclear weapons, all other countries will have to toe the line or face ruination at the hands of the more powerful country.
The pay review process is illegitimate and operates in much the same manner, the bean counters at Tesco will have already forecasted and worked out what they can offer in these pay reviews to maintain profitability along side forecasted profits way before the song and dance by USDAW has taken place. They prioritize shareholder investment over floor pay and as such, keep wages as low as possible to maintain the relationship with shareholders.
The big whoopsydoodle in 2014 has left a scar on that relationship, Tesco will essentially be breaking out the vaseline for a good few more years to mend that broken trust, and that vaseline comes in the form of CAs taking the paddle in terms of pay which we can also see if we compare pay in relation to competitors pre and post 2014, we've gone from top dog to being buggered by the Coop.
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 21-03-22, 07:39PM
Everyone moaning about not getting paid enough. So ungrateful, It'll soon be Easter and you might get some nice colouring in pictures in the canteen.
A pay rise too late things have already gone up price.
The problem with the Tesco pay review is the role of the Forum. It's not just Useless we get shafted by but our own (as has been proved in the past). Tesco just turn around and blame the Forum or in other words US the staff.
The forum is in our store is full of the most annoying workshy or do gooders. You know, the sort of person that actually stops to answer questions from people on the streets with clip boards.
Wtf is the forum
Store manager meets monthly with the reps and a few people from each department who have volunteered to basicly skive off their actual job. The "forum" then usually listens to the Karens moan about all the trivial things like customers taking two blue tokens instead of one or how the odd number checkouts are 2cm shorter.
Not every rep is workshy or out to skive - several reps in our store have come in on their own time to attend meetings - me included. Yes, we often end up having to deal with trivial nonsense, but we also deal with important issues such as repeatedly blocked fire exits, hygiene issues, etc. We are expected to canvas our colleagues around issues, dealing with the minor issues and take the important issues to the store forum - we don't get paid any more, or get any benefits apart from getting to sit in a meeting occasionally and be told that there is no money available to resolve "issue x"
£10.10p an hour. first paid in august payday!!
sunday premium staying but new starters won't get it
Quote from: Hibobhi on 07-04-22, 04:59PM
Wtf is the forum
The forum is "supposed" to represent the issues brought up by your colleagues.
Each department is "supposed" to have an elected representative to raise their issues.
Each forum has reserved seats for the H&S rep and a union rep.
One member of the forum is elected to represent the store, by attending an area forum with the area hierarchy, and take the issues raised that cannot be dealt with instore, such as Tesco policy, or lack of response pertaining to constant nationwide bigger issues of complaint.
The forum is usually every three months, and the minutes from the forum SHOULD be printed and displayed on the staff notice board, detailing all issues raised, and reply as to what was agreed, should that be as assigned to a certain in store manager, or forwarded to the area forum. Also any updates from previous forum complaints.
That's what the forum is " supposed" to do!!
My reality, as a forum rep, was far from how it was "supposed" to be conducted. The early years was rigorously supported by the SM, and PM and everything was followed to the letter...but then the new SM and PP arrived...and it all went down the swanny.
SM refused to discuss any forum slips put in the box unless the person gave their name and dept...( so they could help them more :-X) even though it clearly states on the cards that name & dept are not obligatory...I got round it by writing my own anonymous complaints, asking why my previous ones had been ignored due to me not giving my name & dept, as stated not required, so could I have clarification from the area forum if this was still the case :-*
Then the SM and PP attempted to replace the elected area forum rep, with their own chosen naïve forum rep! When that failed, they rightly said an election for forum reps hadn't been held for a number of years, therefore was overdue!
The PP announced that the forum members had been in situ for too long, and new blood was needed, actually stated that the sitting reps were perhaps no longer suitable due to having their own agenda :-X :-X Ok so a few of us were union reps ;)
So knowing how the colleagues in our store had absolutely no interest in joining the forum as members, we agreed to all step down, and let the "new blood" who might bring a fresh approach stand for election! They got 3 who showed an interest...they needed 14!!!
PP went grovelling to the old members who all declined her offer to stand again!! No thanks love :D :D