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Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 03-05-24, 10:23AMif they get abuse take it further? - don't stand for the abuse regardless, All i know is ours for night tend to have figured out that if they set off after a certain time from the said depot, they can unload it and by the time they get back they don't have time to go do another trailer, whereas we get some at times that are like yeah i just wanna keep going and just deliver it 3 hours earlier, So I dunno how long you guys are generally on the road / in places for or whatever but ones that deliver to our store at night are typically at the depot most of their the shift anyhow so they may as well just fit it with everything since they typically either aint in it or aint moving from it.

Assuming nights, your talking about fresh? Fresh is heavily monitored... if the delivery is not in by the scheduled in-time it flags as late and the DC has to answer to central planning on why it was it. So normally and cant speak for them all, drivers on nightshift who are doing fresh, will normally be out the gate at the scheduled departure time to arrive on time to avoid a late delivery.

Packaged is different, as it goes on store format and risk assessment, so for example an Extra with no delivery restrictions can have there packaged (Grocery) delivered right up to 1am. Were as twilight shops require it all to be in for 7pm.

What I find holds me up is stores not being prepared for the delivery or taking ages to respond to the delivery when it arrives. Reloading of RSU can also take ages in some stores as they put their RSU so far away from the back door it takes sometimes twice as long to reload as it does to unload. You also have stores were the "Back Door colleagues" disappear for 15-20mins at a time while unloading.

I know stores in my area are being heavily challenged on their turnaround times at the moment as some stores are taking the absolute p**s.

Aye as londoner said in relation to a colleague not allowed their chosen representative / support etc and raising a claim they'd want to try and avoid that sort of situation, so by going through colleague help with the asking for clarification and explaining everything, your likely to be told you'll be paid and they'll be told that too in their communications and Probably  the way it's dealt with passed on further or looked at perhaps.

@londoner83 true, thanks for the comment

If i was you, i would raise a colleague help ticket describing the problem you are having and ask their advice.

In case you are unaware Colleague Help have trained personnel people responding to queries who will be fully aware of any legal implications from any actions instore.

In simple terms, if the colleague you are representing left the business and then claimed constructive dismissal as a result of all of this - would a court find it acceptable that they weren't allowed their chosen representation at the appeal hearing?

Personally feel there advice will be either to pay you to attend the meeting or to reschedule it to a time you are both contracted to be in work.

@oldfashionedplayer im the one going in with the employee but being told i wouldnt be paid as not on a scheduled shift, i think thats completely wrong. What would you mean by colleague help may look into legal issues ?

As others have said, it seems to follow the same rights as a disciplinary hearing which is you are able to take in a union representative / colleague and if they aren't available can be re-scheduled, says reps are entitled to have the time paid etc, so should be the same rights for the colleague of expected to come in to give evidence in a meeting etc, I'd have the colleague request a day when your both in and raise it with colleague help too to be honest, get their bit of info on it as they'll likely be starting to look into it more to avoid any potential legal issues with the way you've described the stuff 

@lucgeo hi this is in relation to the disciplinary appeal youve replied to before, im being told that as its not my shift it wont be paid if i go in, think policy does said paid to help prepare for it but doesnt say anything about for the whole meeting, maybe theyre trying to break up the continuity for the employee having the same companion from start to finish

Look under citizens advice...
Who can accompany you to a disciplinary meeting.the meeting should be arranged for your shift, otherwise you come in and get paid for your time...including the travel time to and from your home if it is a fair distance.

If you are going in as a colleague rep (not a union rep), then you have exactly the same rights as a union rep. This includes to prepare for the meeting, attend the meeting etc.  Included in this is the right to be paid.

As you are required to attend, you legally have to be paid, if they try pull a fast one, get USDAW involved and remind the union of Employment law.