just heard that regional people partners - the ones above the ones you see in store - are being culled. They are being given redundancy.
If any of them read this, I would like to thank you for all your support when our jobs went. What goes around comes around - at least you are bein well rewarded.
Well said. :)
Goodbye, good luck, good riddance. >:D
Let's hope it's the same cold,heartless goodbye a lot of our colleagues received from this messed up company.
Unfortunately our 'store level' People Partner puts in less apperances than the Loch Ness Monster so I wouldn't even know who our Regional one was!
Amazing, however, they can offer redundancy to the RPPs but not those of us who are told it's a 'soft structure change' ???
This. I wouldn't know who our, "people partner" - seriously, who thinks up these names? - was if I tripped over them. I genuinely didn't even know there was another, even less useful, layer of management above them. 8-)
It's about time, we all know Tesco act illegally and break employment law, getting rid of these bureaucrats is the first step towards Tesco being honest with themselves that they're a psychopathic unethical corporation. Everyone knows it, hiring these glorified PR pushers is an unnecessary expense as every knows what they're like.
Since it changed from 'Personel' to 'HR', which coincided with the introduction of a lot of employment law legislation, it's important to acknowledge that they are not there to protect you - they are there to protect the company. It was all just a process until it affected them.
Our old in store PM from a few years ago got promoted to this role, she only ever used to be in store 9-5 Monday to Friday, she never did weekends at all and spent most of the day sat with the SM in the instore costa having free drinks as the pair of them never paid for them, and yes it was reported to Tesco and Costa to no avail.
I can also recall one occasion where a lad who usually worked weekends only as he was at college during the week just happened to be doing some weekday overtime in the holidays and asked them pm why she was never in at weekends reply was "I aint interested in working weekends, all I do at weekends is buy dresses and get drunk" and that is the sort of person Tesco thought fit to promote.
If the regional people partners are being made redundant, that means the stores people partners could be halved as well. There probably going to an Aldi type format whereby if team managers cannot deal with the issues, the difficult ones are sent to the office. Are the regional people partners not going to exist in any format, as working in stores they are distant.
Believe so. Its going to a self help system now so if you have a issue you go to colleague help for the answers.
Seeing as the People Partners were as seldom seen as a big visit on a Friday/Saturday night I cant see them being missed.
I think to be honest, the whole thing is a complete joke, and so were they.
Never saw them, was never even asked by the old group PM if I was OK or did I need anything?!
They are laughing all the way out of the company and can enjoy maybe another 6/12 months off before they find another job.
The problem is that they watch others suffer at their own hands and when it comes to them... 'don't worry we've got your back'.
It really beggars belief.
What's more of a joke is that they aren't all going, being reduced down to 3 across the large store format. So how are the others getting redundancy when the role hasn't actually gone. Why is it not classed as a soft structure change. 1 rule for 1. So fair and transparent this company is!!!!
Tesco has only recently started to begin to see the ROI offered by ERP products, from what I understand the digital tranformation facilitated by work and pay and the use of Oracle cloud HCM as an ERP platform will automate a lot of HR admin and business processes meaning it will free up HR resources to focus on HR strategy (future compensation packages and structure) and management of people and not be bogged down with admin heavy activities such as reconcilliations and validations.
I'm actually surprised they're being offered redundancy. When the Pointless Managers were removed from stores, the ones who didn't make the cut were simply moved sideways into other non-jobs.
If the Regional People Partners have been reduced by 50% then maybe the People Partners for the Stores will be reduced as well?
It would make sense that the people partners are given a larger area to cover. I assume the regional people partners that are going are being offered redundancy and not other jobs.
Redundancy was not on offer - was and is my understanding.
However they did not leave empty handed, that im pretty sure of.
How do you get people to voluntarily leave a job without offering redundancy?
Termination of employment by mutual agreement - usually involves a deal sweetener for the employee. However, it's a bit of a grey area in terms of legalities as they employee could still come back with a claim for unfair dismissal - especially when there's a reduction in job numbers.
It sounds like they may have been paid off, I suspect they will no longer need lots of people partners in stores. Highly likely that staff will use a portal to access information I.e our tosco.
Similar thing happened to Express SOMs a few years back, they reduced the numbers but kept the position, one I know who got affected got a 6 figure payout as a sweetner. (I think 3x his salary). And got a job as a store manager of a large format hardware store at the same time.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 05-08-21, 09:47AM
How do you get people to voluntarily leave a job without offering redundancy?
Most financial settlements to leave a company come with terms and conditions.
You will almost certainly not be able to discuss your package, and you will in most circumstances also loose your right to take the company to tribunial by accepting the package.
This solution is used in Tesco far more than staff will think. However only normally for roles that are Store Manager level and above.
Dooby I think you'd be right in steering colleagues towards the likes of Our T05co to find out the information they need, rather than relying so much on PPs-I've noticed more recent e-learning directs you to such places.
However, like many of us these days, I'd love to know who ours is as I've not clapped eyes on ours once since the previous one left the company.
You seemingly stand more chance of finding Lord Lucan :D.
As to the OP who mentions fairness and transparency 'treat others how you want to be treated' springs to mind-i.e. we'll flutter our eyelashes at you when it suits our narrative whilst we stick another knife in your back and then drop you quicker than a hot coal when you've served your purpose :D.
I know in my store I am rarely aware that they are in store, so I struggle to understand the value they add.
So much for redundancy no longer being offered then...We have been told recently that should we lose night shifts in our store we will not be offered redundancy so why should the higher ups get it? This company makes me sick with how often it flouts employment law and gets away with it.
Quote from: stockstaffreduction on 05-08-21, 06:28PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 05-08-21, 09:47AM
How do you get people to voluntarily leave a job without offering redundancy?
Most financial settlements to leave a company come with terms and conditions.
You will almost certainly not be able to discuss your package, and you will in most circumstances also loose your right to take the company to tribunial by accepting the package.
This solution is used in Tesco far more than staff will think. However only normally for roles that are Store Manager level and above.
Oh right that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
They paid off a number of superstore and extra store managers a few years back who they wanted out the company for one reason or another, SD and another senior person would turn up in store and the manager was taken to the office by the SD and told here is your offer take it or be managed out, those who accepted were given 20 mins to clear there office and then escorted out of the building.
Yea happened to ours, bloke turned up with his oppo and 30 mins later they walked the SM out of the store never to be seen again. Made me chuckle the guy was a complete bellend used to abuse anyone and everyone to get what he wanted.
It impossible to not offer someone redundancy going from nights to days. It's on the government website stating this. More scare tactics I think.
They have been allowed to get away with it for years because the Union isn't fighting them when it should, I watched stock control be decimated in my store, the made redundant one excellent full time staff member to replace her with her own daughter on half the hours to so the exact same job.
They wonder why it doesn't get all done.
The union sat there and allowed it to happen and refused all claims of illegal redundancy the 4 members I know ask about.
Only 1 went to a private solicitor and won a sizable settlement.
The same happens everytime, the company tells the union what it's doing and the union doesn't bat a eye.
Completely agree.
I can't help but wonder how much money they've lost these past few years with these changes which, as yet, have seemingly had the opposite effect to the one they clearly hoped for originally.
I don't know what it's like in other stores but as time passes it's more and more evident the cracks are getting bigger and bigger yet, out there somewhere, the Union will be nodding along to the next big 'thing'.
I think it's rather funny that they've seen a sudden spike in waste figures since stock control was decimated, I mean who'd have thought that having almost no stock control staff would mean waste goes up, the company is a joke and so too is the union.
The reps are too busy worrying about going away on their jollies as they call them the few reps in it for the members quickly get pushed out and ostracised.
Hell I know the rep who caused Pandora and he's no longer a rep when they lost him I and several others left USDAW because the other reps were a joke.
It comes to something when the rep who busts his ass for the members is let go, I couldn't believe it when as soon as he left another employee is then put in place as a rep, without the voting rules being followed.
Tesco will get away with axing these guys because there's nobody to fight them, and the people being axed know this because they have overseen this for the past 2 years happening.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch in my honest opinion.
The problem are the members themselves, if enough people stopped signing up to and paying USDAW and dropping memership numbers to 0, a united movement maybe in the form of a change.org petition could call for USDAW to be scrapped as Tescos recognised union and replaced with a proper one.
Quote from: horatiocain on 08-08-21, 11:08PM
I think it's rather funny that they've seen a sudden spike in waste figures since stock control was decimated, I mean who'd have thought that having almost no stock control staff would mean waste goes up, the company is a joke and so too is the union.
The reps are too busy worrying about going away on their jollies as they call them the few reps in it for the members quickly get pushed out and ostracised.
Hell I know the rep who caused Pandora and he's no longer a rep when they lost him I and several others left USDAW because the other reps were a joke.
It comes to something when the rep who busts his ass for the members is let go, I couldn't believe it when as soon as he left another employee is then put in place as a rep, without the voting rules being followed.
Tesco will get away with axing these guys because there's nobody to fight them, and the people being axed know this because they have overseen this for the past 2 years happening.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch in my honest opinion.
You have no clue what being a rep means, First you realise its a voluntary position in no way paid other than time back when you have to go in to rep someone who takes a day off a week for 'illness' at stupid o'clock. These jollies as you call them are training camps usually they last less than 3 days and you go on a couple at the start of your tenure an a voluntary rep and again get nothing for it other than travel expenses and the joy of being away from your family stuck in a classroom all day.
Then we get to the repping part. You know the part you say they are useless at.
Well they can only do what is laid down in the rules they have no authority per say except to try and keep the tesco managers to follow policy and again they can only try they can not force anyone to do anything and only advise the client to react after the fact.
People like you make me sick, complain loudly and often but wont do anything to rectify the problems you think exist, Put your name forward to be a rep I will second you then you can do the thankless task of reping ungrateful nobs like you.
Leave the union if you feel that let down save your tenner.
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I've heard that the whole People structure is under review and the big People Managers have gone and the People Partners are being done in September!
Just pay them off and get rid..........it's an expensive layer we don't need!!
We can then get into our stores what they need.........more Colleagues!!
We don't need unnecessary Managers >:(
It's long overdue, all that the people team does can easily be dealt with by head office and training teams.
Does anyone know what they actually do?
I was a rep for 4 years, still am just not for USDAW might what to actually check your facts before spouting off.
USDAW works with the regional people partners to keep the status quo, in that it keeps a weak union with the reps who like myself who were combative when rights were trampled and where then punished for doing what a rep should.
Like I said the best 3 reps in my store were all asked to step down within months of me, I'm now a proud member of a different union, one which doesn't cow down to managerial structure of Tesco getting rid of regional people partners is a good thing, shame the union won't do the same and axe more of the middle management wastage.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 09-08-21, 05:06PM
Does anyone know what they actually do?
"People partners" (Tesco talk for HR managers) are supposed to fulfil HR functions ranging from determining compensation packages (that would be at the executive level or C-suite), deal with grievances and disciplinaries (more to make sure the process is followed correctly as well as doing these activities at a senior level), recruitment (there's a recruitment team, but HR would determine policies for them to follow) and a whole lot of office admin to make sure employee data is correct and not in breach of things like Right to Work (a check that is done after being checked by the hiring managers), as well as oversee training.
In practice though, a lot of what makes a HR manager a skilled role (determining compensation packages for professional positions is harder than for unskilled positions due to increased competition and supply and demand being more in favour of professional workers and recruitment is a lot easier as there's more to choose from) doesn't apply to Retail HR managers, this is probably why Tesco rebranded them "People Partners".
Quote from: Pooch100 on 09-08-21, 04:57PM
I've heard that the whole People structure is under review and the big People Managers have gone and the People Partners are being done in September!
Just pay them off and get rid..........it's an expensive layer we don't need!!
We can then get into our stores what they need.........more Colleagues!!
We don't need unnecessary Managers >:(
Getting rid of most of the people partners and managers wont result in more staff in stores, it will just result in money saved on the wage bill.
Quote from: Vinny1985 on 08-08-21, 07:41AM
It impossible to not offer someone redundancy going from nights to days. It's on the government website stating this. More scare tactics I think.
Can you please provide a link to the government website page that states this as I cannot find it. Cheers
A alternative job offer has to be reasonable. Any legal textbook will state things that are clearly not reasonable are moves from days to nights and vive versa.
pleasantly surprised at the response to this post
whether it is redundancy or a 'brown envelope' it clearly shows what the company values are - one rule for us and one for them.
so glad i have only a short while to go.
forty odd years of service leaving with a very bitter taste.
good luck to all.
Good luck with your future..........and as we all know there is life after T. :)
Redundancy or Brown envelope - let's hope it's like a plaster that gets ripped off quickly so that the stores can move on with one layer less of bureaucracy!!!
We don't need them anyway ???
It's only a matter of time before they do the same with the store people partners or remove the role completely. Staff can already get a lot of info on our tosco.
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It's been my experience that people partners actually don't know the policies very well, as little respect as I have for the majority of reps they're better informed than almost any manager
I have never spoken to ours she has stopped visiting the store and when she used to come she sat in the interview room playing on her phone chatting until she decided it was time to go home.
Our regional one in the superstore I worked in before leaving only ever turned up about once every six months and like many other so called big visits the world and his dog knew when she was coming and anyone who might pipe up and complain or tell her what things are really like was kept well out of her way, the only regional people partner I can say anything positive about was the one I had dealings with in express when an S.M was trying to bully a member of staff, once the regional person got involved S.M. soon backed down as he realised he was dealing with someone who was not mucking about, and if your wondering what happened to the said S.M he ended up with a final written for his actions and eventually quit and went to work as a manager for Greggs.
I've dealt with 4 regional people partners in my time.
Every single one of them was useless, it seems a theme through Tesco that their managerial and now HR teams are largely useless.
People partners were a change to distance and limit the HR influence and its worked so well Tesco no longer need them.
I've know of these people to lie and make false statements and then be surprised when the colleague proves this and they end up fired for gross misconduct they're the biggest waste of time and money Tesco has but let's face it even when they're culled the front line staff aren't going to see any changes.
If they didn't see this coming they're inept they should have been looking for new jobs 2 years ago when it was first hinted at.
Best news I've heard from the company for years. I will be having a toast tonight in celebration that someone somewhere in the company has seen a bit of sense - that these cretins should be removed from the company. These people are on enormous wages and have been stealing a living for years, decades some of them. All spent making the lives of peasants at store level miserable. Good riddance.