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New contract concerns

Started by Paper Rose, 26-05-22, 10:39AM

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Paper Rose

Hi
Sorry if already a thread but I have to sign new contract tonight apparently to say I can work in all areas of the shop.
I can and do but worrying that my job as merchandiser and also any chance of redundancy is taken away.
Does anyone else have these concerns and is anyone else refusing to sign.
Thanks.

lucgeo

SIGN NOTHING....AGREE TO NOTHING... :-X

If you haven't been sat down and explained it all to you, the whys, the wherefores, the consequences then you insist on a 1-2-1 for a full explanation before signing!!

DO NOT be pressured into signing, by any manager!! Or be told everyone's signing them...just sign it!!!

Inform your manager, If it REQUIRES your signature, then you REQUIRE a full briefing before any signature from you is forthcoming!!... End of conversation  :-X
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Paper Rose

Thanks lucgeo
Thanks I've tried
Manager is very matter of fact everyone is signing but have heard some are exempt.
I thought this was a nationwide thing I suspect to avoid anymore redundancy payments ever.
Wages and team leaders I've heard are exempt and hearing today that moves are being made to cut back stock control alrea6.

Jackwarda

@lucgeo and @paperrose.  If indoubt, say and sign nowt! can a rep or someone be present at such meeting

Morris999

If it's to do with the new contracts that go live in October, then all you are signing for is that you have had your 1-2-1 and have been given an availability form.
You do not need to sign a new contract as the fantastic union have agreed that you do not need to and the new contract will automatically apply from October!!

Ignoring it or just plain refusing too, will not make a difference unfortunately.

Only areas that can choose not to be multi-skilled if I remember correctly are Pharmacy and DotCom Drivers.

lucgeo

So it would seem, going on what Morris999 has posted, whom I believe may be a manager, it's likely not a new contract to sign, as your manager states, but confirmation that you have had your 1-2-1 and availability form. If you've had neither, then you don't sign to say you have!

The onus is on your manager to explain fully what the form is and why you're requested to sign it! No explanation...no signature!! Sounds like a lazy manager, cutting corners by not giving the 1-2-1 meetings of explanation, they will have supposedly been allotted time to do this by SM, and the signed forms will go back to the SM to check!

Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Hibobhi

I was told we're not signing for the new contract as the union has already done that for us, f*** the union

Morris999

Also, all meetings should be completed by end of tomorrow(barring anyone out of the business).
These are being tracked by the SD's for HO.
I know some stores on my group had done a really poor job upto the weekend, and were read the riot act on Monday morning!

fatlad

Is there anything in writing that says Pharmacy & Dotcom drivers don't have to multi skill?

Sherwoodforest

@paper rose ,all you have to do is read it and see if its a contract or not,if its a contract it,l have your weekly wage and hours on the front,as for redundancy,if the company offered you same hours ,pay doing a different job there is no redundancy,i assume your a day merchandiser

Paper Rose

I appreciate all these replies and I think I understand this better now.
Manager was fine by the way just doing his job, I don't think it was a contract now as supposedly we signed our souls away in the last contract. Which was definitely not explained to me in fact it was rushed.
Intentionally I think now.
This has also been agreed by the union, as well as everything else that was taken from us.
Union are not worth a f.
Trust your own judgement or a friends.
Might ask for my last two contracts if this is possible and look for another job.
Nothing worse than being made a c of.

Thanks everyone. 🍻

Redshoes

When it comes time to sign a new contract you get time to read but it's a much longer document now. You keep one and hand the other back.

Paper Rose

#12
Quote from: fatlad on 26-05-22, 04:17PM
Is there anything in writing that says Pharmacy & Dotcom drivers don't have to multi skill?

Would be interesting.
I myself have absolutely no problem multi skilling I can do almost everything and do.
The company I think have covered their arses against redundancies by stealth almost, and the unions helped them.

Paper Rose

Quote from: Redshoes on 26-05-22, 07:25PM
When it comes time to sign a new contract you get time to read but it's a much longer document now. You keep one and hand the other back.

If done properly.

Morris999

Quote from: fatlad on 26-05-22, 04:17PM
Is there anything in writing that says Pharmacy & Dotcom drivers don't have to multi skill?

Yes, it's all on the copy of the new terms & conditions everyone is given as part of the 1-2-1's.
Word for word below. On pages 1,2 and 3.

Skills: We will train you in the core skills needed to work across the store, as per The Guide to Multiskilling: SERVE on a checkout or self-serve, PICK a Dotcom order, FILL the shelves, where the store/centre has the facility. This Serve,Pick, and Fill training' will enable all colleagues who don't already have the skills, to work in non-skilled areas(unless there are good reasons why you can't work in another area, such as your health). Pharmacy Technicians and Customer Delivery Drivers can choose whether to be trained in other areas as they will not be scheduled off their own department.

Job Title: We will move to a broader job title for all colleagues (excluding Shift Leaders/Team Supports, Pharmacy Technicians, and Customer Delivery Drivers, as these specialists will never work anywhere else).

Then again under Job Title

Your job title is ...........
You will be assigned a primary department, but you may be required to work across different departments according to your skills( all except for Pharmacy Technicians and Customer Delivery Drivers).

SimonF12030

Quote from: Morris999 on 26-05-22, 12:10PM
If it's to do with the new contracts that go live in October, then all you are signing for is that you have had your 1-2-1 and have been given an availability form.
You do not need to sign a new contract as the fantastic union have agreed that you do not need to and the new contract will automatically apply from October!!

Ignoring it or just plain refusing too, will not make a difference unfortunately.

Only areas that can choose not to be multi-skilled if I remember correctly are Pharmacy and DotCom Drivers.

Phone Shop as well

lucgeo

Are Phone shop colleagues not excluded due to being paid from out of store wage budget  ???
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

thor god of thunder

#17
I have yet to be told ANYTHING about what's happening. shift leader handed me something to read and sign that they want back by august sometime think. its a good few pages long. I did reply with "well I have yet to be told anything and I won't be reading this in my own time".

person7

the only contract i had to sign was to do with the sale of alcohol and making sure you do think 25

we dont have to sign the new contracts yet as its not october! - but I've heard they may try to say "if you dont sign we cant keep you on" - so make sure you have a union rep with you. they may not be the best union but they will make sure you arent swindled in a contract you dont want or laid off.

lucgeo

Going by the above posts, it would appear the union have already signed you to the new contracts in October  :o
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

thor god of thunder

I have no idea what they were trying to get me to sign as no contract needs signing for October, the union has done if for us...bless em

FarmerFred

A third party cannot sign a contract on your behalf without your personal consent or a mandate from a court.

SimonF12030

Quote from: lucgeo on 27-05-22, 07:09AM
Are Phone shop colleagues not excluded due to being paid from out of store wage budget  ???

Probably that and also they are paid at D-grade, Scan, Pick & Fill is for B & C grades

Sherwoodforest

I suppose phone shop is all about sales,i suppose if they have targets to meet ,would you stick them on a till,or pick?if theres 2 in the phone shop and they have no customers i dont see why they couldnt fill something near by like electrical though,

uklions

Glad im a Dot com driver £11.68p hour,no chance any drivers are going to be trained up on tills or other departments! pandemic  proved we to valuable  out on road.  ;)

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