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Only other thing is top scoring manager gets to pick the job first. So say the checkout manager scored higher they may well pick team manager accountable for replenishment. It's unlikely but it's possible.

Quote from: Redshoes on 01-02-23, 03:34PMNo, it's case by case basis. All based on criteria/scores. You don't yet know the criteria or how you have scored. All we have been told so far is that the scoring has to be fair. No favourites. No manipulation.  Group PM will review the scores and will be signed off by SD. That's why it will take four weeks as it's all stores.
If you want to stay and you have  performed well chances are you will stay. If you have any live warnings or are being performance managed you Will probably score low. The stores where the managers are move level it will be less clear. That's why we need to wait to see full criteria. At this point in time nobody now who will stay or go, not even the SM.

My store manager said that he will have a decision by Thursday next week? As the criteria comes down Monday.

So just to be clear - those managers demoted to Shift Leader will still be expected to do the same job as before. After all, the work is still there and you've had the training and got the experience. You'll effectively be doing the same job for less money -  the oldest trick in the book  

All this rubber stamped by that useless so called union - USDAW (don't waste your money on them)

Fire and rehire. Immoral.

Quote from: Teddybonkers on 01-02-23, 04:00PMSo just to be clear - those managers demoted to Shift Leader will still be expected to do the same job as before. After all, the work is still there and you've had the training and got the experience. You'll effectively be doing the same job for less money -  the oldest trick in the book  

All this rubber stamped by that useless so called union - USDAW (don't waste your money on them)

No, it's a smaller role. Less responsibilities. No scheduling, no holiday booking, no reviews etc. Will still hold duty and run shop floor. Admin tasks go to managers.
On the back of this I can see wages being cut in time. More of the wages side of things will probably fall within the manager role. It has been going that way for a very long time.

Tesco could make a few quid if they turn it into managers squid game when the shop shut, if netflix are reading this, remember it was my idea.
PS it would be fairer than pp/sd signing off on people they've never met.

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 01-02-23, 04:55PMTesco could make a few quid if they turn it into managers squid game when the shop shut, if netflix are reading this, remember it was my idea.
PS it would be fairer than pp/sd signing off on people they've never met.

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Quote from: Teddybonkers on 01-02-23, 04:00PMSo just to be clear - those managers demoted to Shift Leader will still be expected to do the same job as before. After all, the work is still there and you've had the training and got the experience. You'll effectively be doing the same job for less money -  the oldest trick in the book  

All this rubber stamped by that useless so called union - USDAW (don't waste your money on them)

No, it's a smaller role. Less responsibilities. No scheduling, no holiday booking, no reviews etc. Will still hold duty and run shop floor. Admin tasks go to managers.
On the back of this I can see wages being cut in time. More of the wages side of things will probably fall within the manager role. It has been going that way for a very long time.

"No, its a smaller role..............." Grow up mate. They'll be asked to do everything the manager can't be bothered to do themselves. They'll offload as much as possible onto the new Shift Leaders, and make their life utterly miserable if they try to resist.

My manager looks defeated. She thinks how long you have been with the company will play a part and she has only been with Tesco since 2018 so despite being one of the top 3 competent managers in the store she might get replaced by one who has been here over 20 years and is lazy as f***.

Quote from: Redshoes on 01-02-23, 03:42PMOnly other thing is top scoring manager gets to pick the job first. So say the checkout manager scored higher they may well pick team manager accountable for replenishment. It's unlikely but it's possible.

So Jenny from Checkouts could score the highest but choose to go and run Grocery/Stock control?

Why would they? checkouts is the easiest manager gig in the store as team support do everything for them.

Very true. Out checkouts ate run day to day by the team support whilst the manager can usually be found stacking the shelves.

Be interested to see criteria. One manager I know of has been with company 30 yrs but has a file full of complaints and investigations due to bullying

So what will be the s*** leaders responsibility and what in that case is the Team Managers also .

Shift leaders will basically be head prefect running around being duty and making sure everyone is doing the jobs they should be doing while managers will continue as they are now but with a bigger workload of people to oversee. 

Either way I think both the shift leader and the team manager lose out. Both are getting bigger tasks to do for little extra benefit, in the case of the shift leader - none at all.

I cannot see how having managers who used to have 15 staff on their rotas now having close to 40 will make things  simpler.  Which is the odd excuse they have given for the changes.

Doesn't work, at least my 2 local stores that went to shift leaders after last restructure. Fresh manager helping change ends one morning for instance, lead team constantly packing out when I visit, only benefit I see for managers is no duty, although I'd imagine still constantly called anyway if shift lead can't deal with.

We all know we will still be doing the task as managers. That will never change. Does everyone think it'll be the managers with the least service who will go?

Always the case. Usually comes down to length of service as everyone is usually on a par with all the other aspects of the matrix ie appraisals, absence etc .

Quote from: Towers45 on 01-02-23, 08:05PMWe all know we will still be doing the task as managers. That will never change. Does everyone think it'll be the managers with the least service who will go?

Sadly yes which in my opinion is grossly unfair. Length of service should not be a factor in the decision and shame on USDAW if they allow it which you can bet they will.

Our best manager in the store is the one who has only been with Tesco for 5 years. Its a disgrace some arse over tit points system might see them out of a job.

The backstabbing between managers trying to save themselves has already happened in my store. They have no shame at all.

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What happens if you have 2 Team managers and one job going. But neither want the job how do they stand then?

the 1 that gets selected will only have the choice to either take the job or leave (with no redundancy). The other will have a choice of redundancy or step down to shift leader with pay protection for 2 years

Pay protection is capped at 25% by the way

So if your on 400 a week
Shift leaders 200 a week
New wage will be 250 not 400
Policy was updated early jan

so basically it's protected pay for 6 months and not 2 years. bullshitting conning bar stewards

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Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 01-02-23, 07:29AMWell, I ended up being proven wrong thinking it was about customer colleagues and not team managers, it's both!
For me I am happy with redundancy ( if I'm eligible ), but I know that some people are distraught out there. I would suggest to those that are affected and fearful of the future, don't be. This company has ground us down to not believe we are worth anything. We are tasked to deliver monumental changes at the drop of a hat by the incompetent's at HO. We can make on the fly decisions and deliver above and beyond on many occasions, and receive zero praise for it. You're better than you think and have a lot bigger skill set that other employers are looking out for. Go into work with your heads held high, continue to do your best for your team, and whether you stay or leave the most important factor is you, as I said above, you're better than you think.

Tesco has become an dump.  Better leave now than later.  The way you see aldi and lidl working is what will happen to staff better to flee sinking ship.Either get better job or go back into education.

Managers are scored. Criteria will be confirmed on mon. The person who gets the highest score get the jobs. You can't refuse it as you have been given a job so are not at risk. If you don't score high enough to get a job it's step down to shift lead or redundancy.
The way it has been done in the past, available jobs in the group have been offered out too. Options will pick up again as stores will be at structure so gaps will need filling going forward.

options                 

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Quote from: Bobmay on 01-02-23, 09:48AM

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 01-02-23, 07:29AMWell, I ended up being proven wrong thinking it was about customer colleagues and not team managers, it's both!
For me I am happy with redundancy ( if I'm eligible ), but I know that some people are distraught out there. I would suggest to those that are affected and fearful of the future, don't be. This company has ground us down to not believe we are worth anything. We are tasked to deliver monumental changes at the drop of a hat by the incompetent's at HO. We can make on the fly decisions and deliver above and beyond on many occasions, and receive zero praise for it. You're better than you think and have a lot bigger skill set that other employers are looking out for. Go into work with your heads held high, continue to do your best for your team, and whether you stay or leave the most important factor is you, as I said above, you're better than you think.

Tesco has become an dump.  Better leave now than later.  The way you see aldi and lidl working is what will happen to staff better to flee sinking ship.Either get better job or go back into education.

Managers are scored. Criteria will be confirmed on mon. The person who gets the highest score get the jobs. You can't refuse it as you have been given a job so are not at risk. If you don't score high enough to get a job it's step down to shift lead or redundancy.
The way it has been done in the past, available jobs in the group have been offered out too. Options will pick up again as stores will be at structure so gaps will need filling going forward.

i bet there's a hell of a lot of managers hoping and praying they don't get the highest score

Quote from: Redshoes on 01-02-23, 03:42PMOnly other thing is top scoring manager gets to pick the job first. So say the checkout manager scored higher they may well pick team manager accountable for replenishment. It's unlikely but it's possible.

so it's possible we could end up being managed by a complete ar**h*le.....again!!

That is the flaw.

Hopefully the new points system they are using is more accurate than the heatmap otherwise we are even more f***ed than before. The likely outcome here is all the incompetent managers getting the top roles and the better ones being demoted to shift leader and leaving.

It has disaster written all over it.
 
Like someone said above, there are no winners here.

Length of service isn't used often in redundancy these days as it can be seen as discriminatory due to age. Tosco haven't used it in redundancy criteria in recent years.