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When I worked for another retailer 30 years ago, we had a manager restructure. Only change to the job role, was the job title and for most of us a wage cut, with protection pay based on lenght of service. All mangers had to reapply for their role, except SM. Redundancy was on offer.
I have known others in other industries have to reapply for their own job as well. Nothing illegal if companies follow the correct procedures.

Please please don't be bullied into anything, any team managers out there.

It's not worth it and in the long run unless you absolutely love the job, you'll be better off out of it. Trust me.

Do not be led into a false sense of security, nobody gives a sh*t, all they care about is their own backs and protecting other store managers.

@nightowl think your right,my dad worked for the council going into properties to assess work needing doing once they moved out,sure he had to reapply for same job 3times,in the end he took retirement as he didnt have qualifications to job he,d been doing for years

Yeah, you can be asked to re apply for a job role but that is a redundancy situation.

Hopefully the rummers are true and the team managers who have been waiting for redundancy can get it.

Some Managers had to reapply back during the first consultation when twilight stores came in first run, and then compliance if they wanted to stay and a scoring system was in place, from memory it was similar to the colleague one, training and skills, availability, warnings on file, end of year review status.

The text below is an excerpt copied from a legal advice page.

Reapplying for your own job

It is quite common for employers to ask you to reapply for your own job. This is usually done to assist your employer in deciding who to select.
 
If you don't reapply or if you're unsuccessful in your application, you'll still have a job until your employer makes you redundant.

A lot of people have said that redundancy is not an option.
But what if it cost's the company nothing?
It seems that redundancy payments are tax deductible. With the increased profits the company are apparently making this year it'll be a win/win for them. Cutting cost, reducing tax burden, increasing profits, all can be announced whilst team management are thrown away. It'll be the same old sob story from the company as they proclaim it's to protect jobs and keep prices lower for customers. Of course, we know that is Tesco speak for "you'll do more and the shareholders will be happy ".

We have been told call is Monday, Rxpress format also have a call so they can be told what's going on. Lead managers in SS and Extras can NOT attend the call, SM's only.
If the restructure is team managers reducing to max of 3 then everyone would have the option to apply or apply for shift leader / team leader role with pay protection. However if you do not apply and do not wish to step down this would be a change in terms and conditions so redundancy an option. If it was a case of all mngrs moving to TL /sl that would be different.
Leads have been reducing and not in every SS/extra all dependant on headcount and sales.
Whatever the announcement Tesco does not have an issue making people re apply / redundant. We are all numbers and definitely replaceable.................... start your job search so you have options

Can someone explain what the difference is between a shift leader and a fulfilment shift leader 🤔

If an extra has 10 team managers and a new structure says supposed to have 6,surely all 10 would be expected to apply,if you dont apply surely thats on you,and not redundancy,what if none apply?the jobs there,you just havent applied,they wouldnt make ten redundant,aernt you all just non specfic team managers,

Fufilment shift leader only works in dotcom

You had a job and they got rid of it hence chance of redundancy

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 28-01-23, 05:15PMIf an extra has 10 team managers and a new structure says supposed to have 6,surely all 10 would be expected to apply,if you dont apply surely thats on you,and not redundancy,what if none apply?the jobs there,you just havent applied,they wouldnt make ten redundant,aernt you all just non specfic team managers,

The only previous example I can think of that fits here is when they removed the Personel managers from stores.
 They replaced the roles with People Partners covering a few stores each initially, however in my part of the Uk all bar one of the existing Personel managers opted to be made redundant and Tesco were forced to recruit elsewhere to fill the new roles.

The best advice I can give anyone that is potentially affected is to make sure you have expert advice as employment law is full of areas that can be misinterpreted. Unfortunately since the Dave Lewis reign the company appears to have developed a habit of gambling that you will not take them on, then if you do they simply push this as far as possible before paying you what you were initially due as an offered settlement, before a Magistrate gets an opportunity to hit them harder.
Totally unethical but unfortunately legal.

  Is it dotcom affected by this? As they are the only people with specific roles given on contacts
So fulfilment shift leaders and dotcom manager not generic ones

Quote from: Olivia Pope on 28-01-23, 05:00PMWe have been told call is Monday, Rxpress format also have a call so they can be told what's going on. Lead managers in SS and Extras can NOT attend the call, SM's only.
If the restructure is team managers reducing to max of 3 then everyone would have the option to apply or apply for shift leader / team leader role with pay protection. However if you do not apply and do not wish to step down this would be a change in terms and conditions so redundancy an option. If it was a case of all mngrs moving to TL /sl that would be different.
Leads have been reducing and not in every SS/extra all dependant on headcount and sales.
Whatever the announcement Tesco does not have an issue making people re apply / redundant. We are all numbers and definitely replaceable.................... start your job search so you have options

My extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

Or maybe nothing is going to happen and your all worrying for nothing,just enjoy your weekend and see what comes monday,worrying wont change a thing

Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 28-01-23, 06:06PMMy extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

You mean its actually functioning atm what with many stores being plagued with managers straight from the Uni production line.

Can't wait till I retire from this s*** company it is being run into the ground.

Quote from: Loki on 28-01-23, 06:35PM

Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 28-01-23, 06:06PMMy extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.

You mean its actually functioning atm what with many stores being plagued with managers straight from the Uni production line.

All the manager have to do is training/reviews while being supported by shift leaders. It's easier to achieve than you think

Try telling them that. Methinks training and reviews go over many heads.

Hopefully they keep managers who can deliver the job and let the ones leave who can't....

But knowing Tesco the opposite will probably happen

Quote from: Jeff123 on 29-12-22, 05:45PMStructure will be to loose half the team manager headcount in each store replaced by shift leaders, structure will be managers have area of responsibility and equal headcount of colleagues accountable for recruiting, Rotas, training, say and performance management, shift leaders will be duty cover and responsible for the shop floor day to day overseeing the operation customer facing.
The managers will I expect need to interview and score points to keep jobs the ones that fall short will be offered shift leader roles on protected pay untill they drop to there new lower wage this will mean some managers quit without the offer of redundancies we will loose experience and skills but save some money.
Everyone knows it's a job nothing more loyalty means nothing do what u need to do to look after yourselves Tesco wont care It's a business not a friend or family member they employ you instruct you and dismiss you when they decide to.

This has already happened in mine, 5 managers down to 2 and shift leaders.

My extra has over 500 staff. No way will it function with 3 managers.

This has disaster written all over it. Another Uni grad who has never stepped foot on the shopfloor thinking up daft ideas.
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My store has around 450 store staff with a ufc attached too. The store is  running on 1 fresh manager, 1 grocery manager  and they  both look after non food to between them, 2 part time checkout, customer service desk and pfs magager between them. 1 stock control and admin but they do the same roll in the ufc too. And that's it. This has been like this since last April. Apart from the sharing of non food which happened in September. We have 1 lead manager for the store. The store does work running like this ok the mangers are hardly on the shop floor like they used to be. Not working toilet roll and cereal like they used to be. And it become more of a admin roll. But it works.
But then you get into the ufc there 6 managers in there plus 1 lead manager

Quote from: AlwaysSearching on 24-01-23, 09:13AMSo for Extras it looks like this is what's happening.

Management restructure. 

Checkouts/SAYS/SelfServe/CSD/PFS - all being merged under one manager with reduced roles for Team Support as more ''off till activity'' roles are created

Fresh merging as one with Bread/Dairy/Meat/Produce all falling under one manager instead of 3 with additional Shift Leader roles created

Grocery  - 1 mananger

Non Food/F&F - 1 manager

Stock Control/Cash Office/Admin/Merch/Wages - 1 manager

so it will be the fresh and front areas most effected by the manager changes.

Shop Floor

Night shift Health & Beauty/Frozen/BWS moving to days perm. Most of this has already been rolled out.

Fish Counters to close in May with Hot Deli's going in specific stores also.

Reduced routines for stock control/Admin/Wages

It looks like this is it. The Dairy manager told me today that him, the plant bread/bakery manager and the produce manager will all have to apply for the sole fresh manager job only one will get it and the other two will be expected to drop down to shift leads.

So redundancy Monday eh!

I'm wondering if SM will be told Monday then it's a 10 day embargo before they can tell anyone, it's happened before and we all know leaks happen.

On the merge roles topic, superstores have been running all fresh under one for a while and grocery went from 2 twilight managers to a day manager, stock varies from shared to just the grocery manager. The fresh role only works if the manager can manage and not fill, ours has been a revolving door of placements all crashing out every 10 weeks as the role is too big.