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Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 13-01-23, 03:07PM@bobmay you need to stop speculating as what you think the company is doing just because you want your redundancy doesnt meen its going to happen,scare mongering others aint right unless you know facts

Here are some facts from Tesco themselves.Last year when they cut nights from many stores they stated that they goal is to save billion within 3 years from their cost.Which means they want to cut more instead of increase their cost.This is all facts not rumours nor is it scaremongering.

Quote from: Mikoo on 14-01-23, 09:11AMDourieboy87 - The entire thread seems to be built on rumour without any evidence at all. Normally we would get some whispers of plans in the press but like someone else said the only thing we have heard about is the fish counters going in the stores that still have them.

One rumour I heard at my store is that stock control are losing all weekend routines except for PR scan. So no gaps, counts, lows or overs on Saturday or Sunday.   

I've not heard any talk of manager cut backs and like I said earlier, my store has 250 dot com staff. The very idea this department will run with only shift leaders in place is pure fantasy and if head office genuinely think different they will be in for a massive shock then the new system fails and then has to be suspended until they figure it all out. Where the computer thinks hours should be and where the hours are actually needed is very different in reality, we see this with the heatmap so good luck getting all orders completed by 2pm as everyone will be pulled off other departments to finish the pick without warning every day....  what might work in a metro/express won't work in an extra.

If you have 250+ on DC then you'll likely be up for conversion to UFC which has a much more manageable work structure which doesn't require umpteen managers and team support wandering around playing the big "I Am" towards the real workers whilst the chatters and the favourites get away with anything.

As for the computer not knowing where hours are needed - that's largely because people don't follow the system & do things their own way often bypassing it altogether & so the system never learns. The same has happened with pretty much every system that has been put in place - RHRP, heat maps, scheduler, IDQ, etc, etc. Managers want to do things their own way - get rid of the managers and everything has to be run according to the system, when things go wrong it all feeds back into the system so that it can learn. It wouldn't surprise me if shop floor staff ended up with a pda strapped to their arms logging what task they are currently on and what the next task should be or to jump on a till/pick a dot com trolley, similar to what happens in the DCs.

In terms of "people management" and Shift Leaders in large format, reading the role packs online, they can do things like welcome back and take notes but not actually decide if Mx. XYZ should be 'let off' or given a first written warning etc.

Who knows what the big T have got lined up besides what's been leaked in the media in the recent past.

Just to want to say "thank you" to Nomad and wish everyone all the best, whatever happens. Yes, it's just a "job" and there is life outside of T05co but I don't know about anyone else... this speculation etc during the current crisis is doing nothing for my anxiety so I'm stepping away for a bit.

Whatajoke2019, apologies if anything I ( or others ) have posted on this subject that may have affected you. We're all under constant pressure from those above us, and our team's genuinely don't know how hard it is for us either. Some of us want to go ( with a nice payout ), some of us want to stay, but I would say that all of us have at some point have felt as you are feeling now.
Whilst it has affected you ( this discussion ), I do believe it is an important subject as we have been through a lot in the last couple of years through taking on more depts to the amazing 'simplification' processes that clearly aren't working. Our jobs are hard ( a lot harder than a lot of people realise )and it would be nice if something is to happen, it happens to actually improve our work/life balance and is not just another case of reduncies and heavier workloads for those that remain.

Northbynorthwest ... totally agree with what you've written here

We have a ufc attached to a store was the first one to open. Now does 750 orders a day. But it always having issue and the store doesn't matter anymore all about the ufc. The ufc has 3x more managers than a large extra store now. But yet all the c**p gets put back on the store. All the waste, all the reductions which is a all day job for 2 on each department , all the put backs they've

Looking at the shift leader role not any specific department more like a helicopter hovering over whole store renumaration is not really worth it cheap labour again have been mulling it over as was an ex manager think I will stay as a skilled baker.No hassles just do your job and go home not worth an extra 60p an hour for all the c**p running a shift. Typical tesco trying to do things on the cheap .

@hammer10 get yourself a days ambient team managers job in a night fill store, piece of cake, I work nights got in last night, bearing in mind temps gone, got holidays,leavers and a lot of sickness, asked evening duty what had been done.  REPLY(YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING) So what have they done ?YOUR NOT DOING IT FOR NIGHTS, IT'S FOR THE CUSTOMER, didn't even look like they rumbled, still cant tell you after 10 years what days grocery team do.

Sherwoodforest I sense your frustration with your night team colleagues but you are over simplifying by stating ambient is a piece of cake on days. So you have people on holiday. Manage your holiday allocation better. You have numerous sick calls. Engage and look after your teams to minimise this. You have leavers. See if anyone on days wants the odd  night-shift overtime (college/ uni students).
Days can be just as tough but for different reasons which don't impact nights. Amber/ red calls, dotcom cover. Customers. Routines. Resource given to nights instead of days. 1 person to replenish a whole department. Seriously.Sounds like you're not able to work with the day team. Have you been clear with your expectations & they with you? Are you realistic with your expectations? Have you sat with your counterparts to discuss a way to move this forward? It is tough for everyone & you should all be supporting one another instead of creating division.

@forcryingoutloud i can sense your defensivness in your tone,so just to rebuff,i give kudos to ambient managers in a day fill store(i was specific about a night fill store)obviuosly a duty handover(theyve been on dotcom/tills is the go to excuse(but not used yesterday))so probably just lack of senior team leadership played its part.theres no overtime so not a choice,and your totally missing the point,if after working in same store over 10 years(same senior team in all those years)you still dont know what grocery days job is.ps WE fill/tidy for the customer

The structure change will be announced on the 19th apparently

Quote from: Bobmay on 10-01-23, 01:23AMThis isnt speculation this is fact tesco wants to save 3 billion pound according to them with in 3 years. They why they will get jobs which take up to much money and not needed. Why have night shift in small Express stores or superstores when they can fill in the morning. Or why have security when you can employee agency workers. The roles that are going in my opinion will be mangers in superstores night shift in express stores and multiple managers in night shift in extra.


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Quote from: Bobmay on 10-01-23, 01:23AMThis isnt speculation this is fact tesco wants to save 3 billion pound according to them with in 3 years. They why they will get jobs which take up to much money and not needed. Why have night shift in small Express stores or superstores when they can fill in the morning. Or why have security when you can employee agency workers. The roles that are going in my opinion will be mangers in superstores night shift in express stores and multiple managers in night shift in extra.

whyjust nights? Days are overloaded with managers in my store who do nothing but walk about with mobiles stuck to their ears! Mind you that's your opinion . You obviously don't work nights . Perhaps you should and see how hard the poor sods work!

Whatever happens there will probably still be a lot of store specific decisions made by the company, what is right for 1 store may not work for the next one just down the road.
Looking at what has happened in other stores, or on previous occasions, is unlikely to have any bearing on the decisions taken this time, there are far too many variables.
One thing that has changed now is it is no longer an employers market and there are plenty of options out there for anyone genuinely seeking work.

Quote from: Watcher on 15-01-23, 09:04PMThe structure change will be announced on the 19th apparently

Where did you hear that?

I still think its odd there has been no leaking or briefing to the press about what is happening other than the fish counters closing. Makes me believe the stuff about managers going can't be legit.

That said, the checkout manager at my store has been told a total restructure of the front end is coming.  She is happy as there is a few front end team leaders she wants to lose.. so make of that what you will.

All store managers have been briefed ( signed a non disclosure agreement) and SDs have signed off every store specific structure.

All will be briefed to store teams this month.

Quote from: Watcher on 15-01-23, 09:04PMThe structure change will be announced on the 19th apparently

I was told it's being pushed back to 30th now? 
Either way it happening

After being in a meeting this morning, my store manager told myself and the other team managers that post viewpoint there will be a period that store managers have to keep clear as there is a big piece of work coming. No dates, no info, but someone, at some level I'm sure will be affected.

What I've heard.

Stores with large scan as you shop/self serve sections are to lose two team leaders - so mainly Extras. Remaining Team Leaders are to be trained on how to duty so will be required to substitute for managers. Checkout manager is to take a more active role in day to day serving. Do they not already?

Stock Control is to lose 30 hours - bulk of this will be weekend routines being slimmed down. No counts/gaps/lows/overs will be done at all on Sundays only the PR scanning.

Fish counters are closing in May and Hot Delis will be phased out in some stores.
 
All Extras will get a Grocery shift leader to work alongside the team manager. Obviously this is the start of the Grocery manager role being phased out.

Don't know about the fresh sections or dot com. but with Grocery getting shift leaders I'm guessing dairy/meat, Bread and Produce will as well.   

So all in all it does appear the team managers are going to be phased out over the next 18 months.

I did hear about a restructure of the front end so I'm guessing the team leaders they remove from there will be given first refusal of grocery/fresh team leader roles then? The checkout team leaders the first casualties of the expanded self service sections it seems.

What about the Wage Clerk role? surely that will be scaled back once the new system is fully up and running as on paper (yeah I know) there shouldn't be much need for them beyond a couple of hours a day.

We knew the fish counters were going. I had a feeling they would wait until after Easter.

The large stores will always need wage clerks and admins. They might cut some hours but they will always be there. You can't have Extras and Superstores who house staff of 500  and upwards without a HR department. Even the smaller Metros/Express need some form of admin there.

Any idea if any pi changes coming? We generally have little work unless it's a grocery promo...

Quote from: Mikoo on 16-01-23, 03:14PMWhat I've heard.

Stores with large scan as you shop/self serve sections are to lose two team leaders - so mainly Extras. Remaining Team Leaders are to be trained on how to duty so will be required to substitute for managers. Checkout manager is to take a more active role in day to day serving. Do they not already?

Stock Control is to lose 30 hours - bulk of this will be weekend routines being slimmed down. No counts/gaps/lows/overs will be done at all on Sundays only the PR scanning.

Fish counters are closing in May and Hot Delis will be phased out in some stores.
 
All Extras will get a Grocery shift leader to work alongside the team manager. Obviously this is the start of the Grocery manager role being phased out.

Don't know about the fresh sections or dot com. but with Grocery getting shift leaders I'm guessing dairy/meat, Bread and Produce will as well.   

So all in all it does appear the team managers are going to be phased out over the next 18 months.

would they really cut team leads from self service/ scan as you shop when the company is very much heading towards this way of serving and to add shift leaders to grocery along side team manager is surely increasing payroll?

Back to basics on waste. What ever that means.

those jokers on this thread saying all just speculation!! Company stooges the lot of them. Team Managers brace yourselves, about to get shafted and lube just got discontinued!

Maybe the speculation around checkout team support moving to grocery is a buddy system to go hand in hand with serve pick fill training,makes sense if checkout team support knows and can coordinate filling