For those who've been off with covid recently how long was it before you went back?
We had a couple of staff go off with covid this week,one of them is in to horse racing,but had no holiday left this tax year,so will no doubt come back next week now cheltenham is over :D
Policy is go in unless you are too ill, I've actually just had it but was on holiday, to be honest I felt awful so if I was supposed to be in I would have been off until I was at least negative.
COVID-19 is now considered in the same way as other infectious illnesses such as Influenza (Flu) or Norovirus and you should follow the relevant health guidance for your nation. The medical advice for anyone who catches these kind of illnesses, is to take sensible precautions while they are experiencing symptoms or may be contagious, by limiting their contact with other people and maintaining good hygiene to help reduce transmission.
If you have Covid 19 symptoms or you test positive you should not attend the workplace. You should follow the relevant health guidance for your nation in terms of isolation.
In most cases the UK nations' health authorities are recommending that you isolate for five days (you should also avoid contact with those that you know are at higher risk for ten days). In Scotland it is recommended that you stay at home until you no longer have a temperature, or you feel better
Thats off tesco policy
Everyone at my store who has covid just turns up for work! The managers know but don't care.
And neither do I - get a grip.
Quote from: StinkyPoo on 18-03-23, 08:46PMEveryone at my store who has covid just turns up for work! The managers know but don't care.
in our store we are supposed to go in and it counts towards absence percentage
Quote from: StinkyPoo on 18-03-23, 08:46PMEveryone at my store who has covid just turns up for work! The managers know but don't care.
What can managers do anyway, no law saying you have to self isolate anymore (although the NHS recommends you do) and Tesco policy is to treat is like any other illness.
It comes under the health and safety at work act, meaning they have to take precautions, so technically if they got found out that people are doing it, they could face fines for it and bad media, fines they ain't bothered about, its the media they hate.
Plausable deniability
nobody's been off with covid lately haven't you seen the latest post on ourtesco that says we're post-covid yeh it doesn't exist anymore see. sigh. (seriously thanks for making this post cos I thought I was going crazy)
Quote from: penguin on 19-03-23, 06:06PMWhat can managers do anyway, no law saying you have to self isolate any more (although the NHS recommends you do) and Tesco policy is to treat is like any other illness.
they could have some integrity. it used to count for something and the fact the world is literally ending should give at least some of them pause.
Don't get paid, so if up to it just go in! Customers do 8-)
I've got covid now. Last night I thought "I'll see how I am in the morning before phoning in"
There is no way I could drive a van and deliver 30 plus drops. Now, when I'm feeling up to it do i go back regardless of whether I test positive still?
No, you go back when your negative, colleague help will tell you the same, they follow the "Health & Safety at work act" meaning that if you have something that is a highly transmissible disease such as norovirus, flu, diarrhea, Covid-19, etc then you are to refrain from working until you are in the non-transmissible stage - for coronavirus colleague help says 5 days after a positive result, or until you test negative. Managers and such should be sending colleagues home and refusing them from being able to work, however given that they are always understaffed and ignore policies and such, they go by their own rules and take it off themselves but tell people to come in instead.
it does come under sickness absence though, but if you get a meeting for it, it shouldn't be considered unless they suspect foul play of you saying you've got it when you haven't
It opens up a hornets nest when you send people home as they are unpaid. Covid is just normal sick there is a message to say it's not advised to come in with any infectious illness.
I agree that it creates a hornets nest since they should be paid but there's no legal requirement since their company policy has the 3 day wait first and there was payment originally but many abused it, but this bit at the bottom is what I refer to and thanks to people just thinking it's a cold I've needed hospital and doctor visits on a regular basis for breathing difficulties for the past year after it being passed on at work.. even with having 2 vaccines before contracted it, so whilst some just pass it off as minor.. for me it f'd my life up from being healthy.
"16. Should we be allowing a colleague to return to work where we know they are infectious?
As an employer we have a duty of care under the Health & Safety At Work Act to ensure the health and safety and welfare of our employees so far as it is reasonably practicable. Our colleagues also have duties to each other under that act to take reasonable care for the health and safety of themselves and to other colleagues who may be affected by their acts, and to cooperate with their employer to ensure that those duties are complied with.
We are now explicitly calling out on our return-to-work form declaration that a colleague who has an infectious disease means that they are not fit for work, and we expect colleagues to be truthful about this. If we believe that a colleague has infectious condition the manager is within their rights to instruct a colleague not to attend the workplace until they are well enough and no longer pose a risk to the safety of others.
In this instance our normal sickness absence procedures would continue to apply when the colleagues returns to work, regardless of being instructed not to attend by a manager."
I went back to work after 7 days still not great and not even had a return to work lol
We are now explicitly calling out on our return-to-work form declaration that a colleague who has an infectious disease means that they are not fit for work, and we expect colleagues to be truthful about this. If we believe that a colleague has infectious condition the manager is within their rights to instruct a colleague not to attend the workplace until they are well enough and no longer pose a risk to the safety of others.
In this instance our normal sickness absence procedures would continue to apply when the colleagues returns to work, regardless of being instructed not to attend by a manager."
So your damned if you do and dammed if you don't :-X The rules used to be that if you were sent home by a manager then you were paid ??? Now they send you home, the 3 day unpaid absence rule kicks in, and then it's added to your absence % :-X
I would certainly challenge this in any absence meeting!
Would a manager not have to justify sending you home because of an infectious disease based on their imaginary medical qualification :question:
8-) Precisely 8-)
The amount of times managers have overridden the medical advice given to colleagues on returning to work or demanding the GP provides a letter!
My own GP had little time for the Tesco rules, and would often ring the manager during consultation to demand from them, in precise details, what part of his professional advice they were challenging ;D
I once had a return to work, after a bout of flu during Easter, and asked why I hadn't gone to the local A&E over the weekend if I was so unfit, rather than wait till the Tuesday to get a drs appointment to then be signed off :-X
I spoke to the PM regarding the ignorance of this manager, who promptly tore strips off them!
Managers are not medically trained. That is why we refer people to OH. Dealing with someone who comes into work unfit is a judgment call. I have sent someone home for being spaced out. I take phone calls from people who still ring in saying someone they have talked to has Covid but they themselves are feeling fine and symptom free. I also take calls from people says they have been in contact with someone with Covid and are feeling unwell. I tell people about infectious illnesses and that Covid is just classed as that now. If they are not well enough to come to work they should not come in but it's normal sickness rules and will be unpaid.
We should not bring to work many infectious conditions. Covid is just one of them. The big however is that in many cases the infectious period is before symptoms appear. There is very little we can do about that. We don't want people to come to work unwell. We also don't want people to say off on a very slim off chance. I had one person ring in sick with Covid, when people were being paid to be off. Her son was tested positive but she had not seen him in two weeks, she actually said to me that she was worried as she had talked to him on the phone the day before.
Its pretty simple, if you test for covid and are positive Tesco policy classes it as an infectious disease and you then have to stay off for 5 days and can then return even if positive if your feeling well (as per Govt advice) If you don't want to stay off work then just don't test for covid and it then just becomes something thats making you feel a bit unwell but still fit enough to work - that way you are not making a false declaration about not having an infectious disease.
Thing is I work part time so I don't get any sick pay unless Im off for 3 weeks. Can't afford any days off. But I don't even have covid test kits either anyway. I refuse to pay for them.
Right now about 30% staff are ill. We all thing it's covid but nobody can afford a day off as its "work unless your too ill to even do anything".
So as for when I did test postivitr for covid.. When I had free tests due to my asthma off government... It was the very day I FELT I was able to come back into work. As soon as I felt I was able to get out of bed and cook and clean in my home was the day I went back to work. And everyone else does same or just works through the whole illness
There is no requirement for you to test for Covid. You can't be expected to pay for tests.
It's now all about the symptoms, do you feel well enough to come to work?
Do you feel that the symptoms you have may be infectious?
If you are not well enough to work and if you think your condition is infectious you need to stay off work.
If you feel well enough to work come in. There is no requirement to do a covid test and all you need to say is you have a bit of a cold/hay fever.
if your worried, take a test, better to be on the safer side to be honest regardless of whether you are double vacc'd you can still get f'd up by it (like I did).
Question to ask yourself:
Would you be happy passing it to your own family / children? - No? So why others / other peoples kids?
That's how I see it to be honest.. trying to look after my kid who had it after I got it at work was one of the most struggling experiences, my baby struggled.. so going through that it's like "why would anyone be happy to just go pass it on to others?"
Tests should be free though, that's one thing that frustrates me still cause protecting yourself or others costs you, while as usual giving no toss costs nothing but can cost others everything.
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Quote from: trivi on 18-03-23, 01:03PMFor those who've been off with covid recently how long was it before you went back?
Even though COVID is classed as Cold or Flu if you have a positive test the guide is you need to be off 5 days or when temperature is down and or negative test as it is still classed as an infectious disease as you sign on your Return to Work that your fit to return so you dont pass infections on to other staff. This is also Guidlines on Goverment website
aye don't do like tesco also say which is "if you feel well but dont test you can come in" but if you test positive they say "should" rather than must, with it being an infectious disease.. really they need to change the wording cause it is far worse than just a cold or diarrhea etc so its really ridiculous, as well as managers will just say its fine to work with...
So do the right thing and stay off - request it as holiday or ask if you can work different shifts if need be if you need the money for being off, but it's better than knowing your passing on something that gives really crappy conditions to people and often kills too.