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No way they will scrap night premium, they do that, they may aswell go from nights to twilight's as so many people at my store have said if premium goes, they won't lift hardly a finger to get done.

No point having nights. Equality term used will only fuel the equal pay claim more and more aswell.

Unfortunately all supermarkets are going to lose that case with the way the world is going.

don't forget Tesco tend to announce structure and store changes after xmas,I would not be at all surprised to see more aisles from nights moving to daytime fill only like w&s,im sure frozen and h&b were being trialed in some stores,the money they save from scrapping those jobs,will help fund the new pay deal,we just have to hope that usdaw does not agree to rolling out the no sick pay for the first 3 days right across the board regardless of length of service

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.

Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!

exactly, if i picked up overtime on checkouts, where did i spend my time? filling fresh cause checkout staff "weren't trained" - for me, I personally wanted to be off of the area for a bit of a difference scene and instead I was being thrown onto it, because my colleagues refused to be trained for it.

I get that people prefer doing their job and don't want to do others, and like me I like a change, but why when going for the change do you have to do the same job if there is others capable just cause they refuse? - that in itself is what i call a bit unfair on the equal part.

as for the BWS / Frozen / H&B ours have the hours on days but nights fill them cause they couldnt manage to fill it... would pass over the usual 20-24 stacks of bread and 8 or so cages + backstock at 7am, and then we'd get more than half of it back at night while being told they've had 4-5 people working it since 7am... so its just a 1 person night fill now... though if we went by the hours on the system it says 1 hour for bread and then 3 hours for meat and thats all we get to fill 

I can see the 3 day sick being rolled out to everyone though like they did for "making everoyne equal, drop double timers to half time" etc.

In 2005 when they changed the sick pay structure people were given the option to either opt out or remain, those who choose to opt out were given compensation, as a result this cannot be just taken of those who remain.

Cocktail, that was part of a trial and selected stores only.

I only found out when a colleague in my store complained about her sick pay not being paid from day 1. The PM in store was at her previous store when this trial took place so knew all about the change and all the relevant documentation was in her personnel file.
I have over 30 years service and I was never offered the chance to opt out.

Don't get why anyone would opt to lose sick pay from day 1. You never know what tomorrow brings and even with the greatest attendance record you never know what illness you could pick up tomorrow.

I know some colleagues take the nick with constant absence but there are many who go a full year with zero sickness. Why should they be penalised if on a rare occasion they have a genuine illness?

I wish I was in the old contract. Just missed it. As I never go sickest, and damned if I come into work ill. Day 1 sick pay should be earned in my opinion and rewarded.

Day 1 sick pay has been abused too much in my store.

Pay talks start this month, with a view to announce the outcome in March.

Not sure which thread to put this on - so jumped on this one - just an observation from me about "how well Tesco are doing" - I know the shares are doing pretty well at the moment - but just noticed they've launched a "double clubcard points" event until the end of Feb (which coincidently is also the end of the Tesco accounting period) - makes me wonder whether they need to bump up sales to meet their expected annual targets?
Of course, I could be wide of the mark - it was just the "dates" that made me think like that.....
I know ultimately double points is not "all that much" - but some customers love it!!

Quote from: londoner83 on 08-01-24, 06:46PMDon't get why anyone would opt to lose sick pay from day 1. You never know what tomorrow brings and even with the greatest attendance record you never know what illness you could pick up tomorrow.

I know some colleagues take the nick with constant absence but there are many who go a full year with zero sickness. Why should they be penalised if on a rare occasion they have a genuine illness?

The colleagues who agreed to the change were bought out as an incentive. The amount they received was dependent on their length of service.

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Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.

Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!

I only do security nothing else had a report by occupational health saying that's all I can do till I retire

Quote from: chocice on 09-01-24, 05:21PMPay talks start this month, with a view to announce the outcome in March.

Thats disappointing, usually they announce the new pay review in January and its in place for March/April.

Given the legalities of when Tesco has to pay the new NLW by, and given how our pay dates fall this year, Tesco can effectively "underpay" us for almost four weeks - as they are not obligated to pay the new NLW until the first pay day after 1st April - which will be 26 April (I believe) - so we could be stuck on £11.02 until then. Whether Tesco would want the potential bad publicity that might come is another matter.

Then again, my understanding of when they have to pay it might also be wrong. Last year, I remember pay date was 2nd April (maybe 3rd) and there were some questions as to whether Tesco were "breaking the law" by underpaying us for one or two days.

From the ACAS website, here's an example:

"The higher rate starts to apply from the next pay reference period after the increase. This means someone's pay might not go up straight away.
For example, there's a minimum wage rate increase on 1 April.
Sam gets paid monthly on the 15th of the month. The old rate will apply until Sam's next pay reference period starts on 16 April.
As a minimum, Sam should get paid:

the old rate for 1 April to 15 April
the new rate for 16 April to 15 May"

So as I say - Tesco might still be paying us £11.02 until 26 April!!

Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 09-01-24, 09:21PM

Quote from: JJH on 07-01-24, 03:10PM

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 07-01-24, 04:37AMIn all honesty, not fussed about the scan pick and fill stuff cause it means that people actually pull their weight rather than thr whole "I can only do checkouts" when there's little or no footfall, if your being paid the same as someone else, should be expected to do the same workload to be honest..

If you have exclusions relating to disabilities and such, fair enough but if not, why should others have to do it?  It was a long overdue one I believe.

Spot on! The only people at our store that had an issue with it are those who've had it way too easy for too long. A colleague at ours took early retirement as he couldn't understand why he couldn't continue doing 36.5 hours on news & bloody mags!

I only do security nothing else had a report by occupational health saying that's all I can do till I retire

F*ck me you've done well there, how much did you slip to the OH colleague for that report! 

Just on our Tescos now and the story about the trading period a few people I assume head office union members have said negotiations have only just started ... now you would think with the pretty impressive trading figures the 6 greens on the big 6 we should be looking at a decent pay rise but let's wait and see... at least management looks like they will be quids in bonus wise

I find Tesco like to boast about how well they're doing... without passing much down to GA level. I mean, a 'thank you for your hard work' doesn't really pay the bills does it? With Sainsbury announcing £12/h I think Tesco will be slightly above that (maybe £12.05) just to try to make them look generous, but they'll no doubt be taking something away while trying to tell us 'what a great pay deal it is'... they usually do.

Anybody asking for a bonus on our Tesco app is recieving a swift reply from the moderators saying after colleague feedback we gave up our bonus for base pay.... hilarious!!! The gravy train continues.

I've noticed the swift response from head office on there about the bonus  just highlights how bloddy poor the union are  to give this away for apparent favourable pay ... but let's wait and see the inevitable give with one hand take back with another is coming if bank holiday premium survives I'd b shocked not as much as the 17% nonsense on a Sunday staying ...

Managers still get bonuses don't they? It's just the hourly paid colleagues that don't.

I've not heard about bonuses being taken away from my remuneration, then again I'm in a different area of the business.

Salaried staff managers etc etc do yes ga shift leaders etc etc do not

I've been pondering.
I think if Tesco were to get rid of premiums then they'd likely give us some notice - if only to make staffing the shifts a bit easier.
So I'm now of the opinion that it's unlikely that any changes to premiums will happen from April - therefore this makes a two-step pay review more likely -

Something like £11.65 an hour from April - and then from Sept/Oct - Sunday/BH premiums cut/removed in order to "fund" a further increase to £12.15 an hour....

I don't think "next year's" increase in NLW will be quite as much as we've seen in the last two years - so by upping pay to £12.15 might allow Tesco not to get caught out again next April - i.e. come April 2025, £12.15 might still be above any new NLW.

In the above scenario, staff then have that knowledge that any Sundays/BHs they do between April and October will still be at +17% or +25% - whereas after that date might both be plain time (I wonder if they'll keep BHs at some sort of smaller premium).

Obviously any "new" staff (as if we have any great increase in staff numbers) will be on single time anyway -

so by the time we get to Oct2024, there should be enough staff to cover the shifts -

That's what I'm fearing a 2 step increase but surely with the vast bumper 6months or what ever they had we will go straight to 12£ a hour esp now sainsbury setting that as benchmark

The company has already indicated that Sunday premium is going, and it will drop further this year in line with the hourly increase as last year. Night premium will stay just because of the issues with hiring and retaining.

£12.05 or something very close to that  will be announced in due course, I am certain. I have no inside knowledge. They will keep it very simple and make a lot of noise about the rise in percentage terms.

Other than "freezing" the "cash amount" (and hence reducing the % uplift) of Sunday premiums last year -how else have the company "indicated" that Sunday premium is going?

Of course, we all fear it is going - but I've not seen any clear indication from the company that it is "going".

Obviously, if they continue the "freeze" - then it would probably only have one more year to go - so currently, I believe it is at a rate of £12.89 an hour (which equates to £11.02 + 17%) - so obviously if Tesco wanted to keep it at £12.89 - and our basic rate increased to £12 - then the £12.89 would be £12 + 7.5% (approx) - and then from April 2025, it would be scrapped - as our hourly rate would probably increase close to £12.89 .....

Yes - I agree that the Sainsbury benchmark is also relevant - then again, Sainsbury are paying this from March (last year I believe they paid increase from Feb) - and Tesco didn't copy last year - and it would be surprising if Tesco raised basic pay much before April this year.

Of course the % increase will look "impressive" - but only in line with the 10% increase in the NLW.