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Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

Started by markwinters, 29-12-22, 11:06AM

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Happyshopper

Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-04-23, 12:04PM
Quote from: IMA on 10-04-23, 11:19AMExactly the case. Express was the weakest link. If you were Lead Team in Extras you were awesome, if you were Lead Team in Superstore or Express SM you were not as good - that used to be the mindset. But ex colleagues of mine now say to get any pay increase (Lead Team), they were effectively forced out of Superstore/Extra and into Express as it now pays a 20% bonus on top of their basic. How true this is, I don't know.

The 20% bonus for Express SMs is if they get exceeds (which none ever have done from what I've seen) and is also dependent on how the business itself performs, the SMs last year I know of got 10-15% bonuses, some got 5%.

Not sure how long you've been out the game, but Express SM is no walk in the park, there was a period of time a few years back where they moved WL 3 lead managers into Express as SMs due to structure changes and a good few couldn't hack it.

Express has been cut to the bone for the past few years with additional services being added on such as Whoosh and Evry, it definitely isn't as easy as people think it is.
Exactly never mind a Express PFS or even a Express Esso alliance site. Express As a SM is far harder now. Also the express SL is far far harder with more responsibility than large.

Tesc0Wow

Id disagree, I don't think either SL role is harder than the other. I've done both. Large you have to be good at managing people making sure everything gets done. Express you need to be a grafter, know how to do every process in the shop as you'll be doing it. You do not necessarily need to be good at managing people. I've seen quite a few express SLs come to large and find it really hard as it's so different.

londoner83

Agree. In express working hard on task will make you a successful shift leader. In large you need to display leadership skills and manage a team as you alone can't deliver all the tasks.

Having said that I firmly believe any newly appointed manager/shift leader should spend time in express to gain knowledge across multiple departments.

NorthbyNorthwest

So, just to get back on track, those of us that are leaving, how are you finding your last weeks in work?
I'm amazed that not one manager who is taking responsibility for my areas has approached me to ask questions or touch base with any staff they are taking on!
Is this the norm for you? Or is it just me? I'm actually feeling sorry for the colleagues under me currently as they have no idea of what the future looks like apart from what I can share with them whilst still in store.

Mrs sparrow

The weeks are going slowly! My replacement has been working with me the past 2 weeks to get to grips with the dept and build a relationship with her new team. I'm not overly keen on doing this but it is best for the team and I will be gone in 2 more weeks. Looking forward to April 29th and starting my new job 3 weeks later.

Redshoes

I'm handing over to a manager who has done this role before so just needs a refresh. Time is going by so very fast. I don't get many duty shifts now, it more a matter of being on hand to help and support the new shift leaders. We have a PFS and we have had issues this week so it's been good to share knowledge.

NorthbyNorthwest

Well done on the job Mrs Sparrow, I've just started applying as I am aiming to take a bit of time out before I start anew. I have tried with the guys taking over my depts, but as I said, no interest at all! So concentrated on my staff to make sure they're ok.

lucgeo

Good luck to everyone taking redundancy. It's a good time for recruitment as many places are suffering severe staff shortages at the moment and your experience and training will hold you in good stead   :thumbup:

Now at the risk or repeating myself, everyone is entitled to job job seekers allowance for six months, not means tested and equates to about ?£75? per week...not back paid so apply straight away, especially if you're planning on taking time out. You just need to turn up every 2 weeks and show you've been "looking" ;)
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

NorthbyNorthwest

Thankyou lucgeo, and I ( like many ) will still be lurking here to see if this new structure works or not!

Backoffice

#1484
Has anyone seen anything about the Bonus? Normally announced with the Annual results briefing ??

Welcome.  Ref: starting new topics.  Please read VLH Supporter Benefits

Nightworker

#1485
Being announced tomorrow

Davethebave

I'd say 2.5% based on the results. Profit was 50% of the bonus which was red. All other measures green.
We still get bonus even though we are being made redundant so if it does get paid then we get it to!

NorthbyNorthwest

Davethebave, wouldn't it be lovely if it's 2.5% of our wage and redundancy?

Davethebave


Nightworker

The Bonus is worked out as follows

Profit. Threshold-12.5%
        Target.  -25%
        Stretch. -50%

Sales.  Threshold. -7.5%
        Target.    -15%
        Stretch.  -30%

Your
Contribution.  Below expected. 0%
                Satisfactory.  6-10%
                Great.          11-15%
                Outstanding.    16-20

So max possible. 100%
   Min. Possible. 20%

Nightworker

#1490
Forgot to mention this is wl3

5fdp

I have abit of info. Bonus will be between 3.5% and 4.5%. I was told this 3 weeks ago. But let's wait and see. Profit is down due to investing. Doesnt look good for a food firm to be profiteering during a cost of living crisis. So best to invest in different projects and hide the money. Abit like the SNP and the motorhome. Do you think they will hire it out for week at a time during summer?

Backoffice

Q. How will I be told how much the Bonus award will be?
The bonus award amount will be shared as part of your annual pay review conversations with your Line Manager between 9-25 May 2023.

Moon2020

#1493
I'm really struggling to figure out how much tax and national insurance I will pay on my redundancy. I know they mention to £30,000 before tax or national insurance, and that there were conflicting views as to what parts of the total payment can be taxed and what parts can't et cetera. My payment is a little over £36,000, is anyone able to help thanks

NorthbyNorthwest

This is only my thoughts, so maybe someone can chip in and confirm or tell me I'm a moron!
Redundancy ( both parts ) is taxable over £30,000. That we probably all know, but only on any amount over the the threshold, not the whole amount.
This is my assumption on PILON and outstanding holiday pay ( if you're old like me and had to work a year before earning holiday pay ), you'll pay income tax and NI on them.

NorthbyNorthwest

Just had a quick look at how many hours we have for holiday pay this year. If full time it's 151h 30m. So divided by 13, if you haven't taken any holiday to cover Easter ( or anything else this month ) you'll also receive just over 11h 30 mins of holiday pay.

6xpl89

Quote from: Moon2020 on 14-04-23, 06:19PMI'm really struggling to figure out how much tax and national insurance I will pay on my redundancy. I know they mention to £30,000 before tax or national insurance, and that there were conflicting views as to what parts of the total payment can be taxed and what parts can't et cetera. My payment is a little over £36,000, is anyone able to help thanks

If you have your redundancy schedule, you need to find out how much you are being paid as 'in lieu of notice' as this is fully taxable/ni/student loans. It sounds like your srp & asp combined is under 30k so you won't be taxed on that.

I used www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk input your 'in lieu of notice' payment as a bonus and work it out from there.

As the website will tell you, you will probably pay around an extra 2k in tax because we have just started a new tax year, you will get this back though

Srgd2170

Quote from: 5fdp on 13-04-23, 07:12PMI have abit of info. Bonus will be between 3.5% and 4.5%. I was told this 3 weeks ago. But let's wait and see. Profit is down due to investing. Doesnt look good for a food firm to be profiteering during a cost of living crisis. So best to invest in different projects and hide the money. Abit like the SNP and the motorhome. Do you think they will hire it out for week at a time during summer?
Quote from: Backoffice on 14-04-23, 05:46PMQ. How will I be told how much the Bonus award will be?
The bonus award amount will be shared as part of your annual pay review conversations with your Line Manager between 9-25 May 2023.
Bonus has been announced today. Pitiful 2.9%

Hhggjj


Srgd2170

Quote from: Hhggjj on 14-04-23, 08:33PMWhere have you seen this?
Email sent down to store managers this afternoon

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