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Quote from: madness on 02-03-23, 11:17PM

Quote from: superstore_tl on 02-03-23, 11:11PMI know of a couple shops still waiting to be informed... including my own
Company has until tomorrow to inform all affected managers
If I was selected and scored high I would want to see my form and all rationale as I am now happy to leave with redundancy
Does anyone know if we can appeal the selection?

Congratulations you are safe in your job!!!

"I want to appeal that decesion please!"

too right! just goes to show how s**t working at tosco has become

Quote from: ForCryingOutLoud on 03-03-23, 09:52AM

Quote from: FruityLoopy on 03-03-23, 09:31AMNot really, they are the most able and competent.

My store is going from 10 to 5 managers so its been a worry for all who would and wouldn't survive but in the  interests of our store the best 4 made it through.

Let's hope they can count !

   

Quote from: Redshoes on 03-03-23, 04:03AM

Quote from: Watcher on 02-03-23, 08:50PMWhy couldn't they pool all the managers across local stores, if two managers scoring nearly the same one wanted to stay and were willing to relocate surely it would be better to have someone who wanted to be there, unions come on.

Nobody has been told they have got redundancy, that just an interpretation. What people have been told is that they are at risk. If there are other jobs in the group they will be opened up to the at risk managers.

I wonder how many team managers/lead managers who got the job roles will hand their notice in?

Quote from: madness on 02-03-23, 11:17PMCongratulations you are safe in your job!!!

"I want to appeal that decesion please!"

   It is a tad like a parole board hearing when they come to the decision not to release you.

Is there any appetite on here to submit a collective grievance/ appeal regarding selection process?

Yeah definitely. Absolutely gutted that I didn't get to go. Who knows if the opportunity will ever arise again. Unfortunately another 3 more mature than me that the boss seemed keen to get rid of

I've been told that I'm not in the group of 5 managers that are staying. Been given my redundancy figure on paper - I'll assume I'm going as I need to make plans for the future. Would be gutted if someone decided to resign etc in the next 8 weeks. As I'd assume that would mean that I'd have to stay and be in the 5...

Although happy with my own outcome of redundancy, I do feel that the selection process was very poorly expected across the board. Very inconsistent and can bet that things people got marked down on in one store, another store had marked up on.

I'd like someone to explain how they worked out how many managers were needed. I believe for each 35 colleagues you have one manager . However that is based on one employee contracted for 22 hours if you have 3 students on 7.5 hours they equate to one person .

What I don't understand is one person has the same amount of training , reviews etc so a manager with colleagues who have smaller contracts could end up with 50. To 60 staff not 35 .

@Lucifer, there is no denying that someone at head office, who has never worked ( or probably set foot in  ) a shop came up with this idea. Doing it by headcount is ridiculous. Each area has its own complexity's built into it, headcount doesn't really matter, juggling all the balls whilst spinning the plates is more important. And there's no denying, if you've got departments with lots of complexity ( stock control as an example ) it doesn't matter the headcount, to the SM it's the figures.

Is it worth raising a grievance against this as if i wanted to go but was scored enough to stay but another tm in another store scored more than me but not enough in there own store has to either  go or move to shift leader where is the sense.

What happens in a few months if some tm dont like the job and leave,who will fill the jobs as i imagine there will be disgruntled tm out there,this will save them £s in redundancy

Quote from: Lucifer on 04-03-23, 08:15AMI'd like someone to explain how they worked out how many managers were needed. I believe for each 35 colleagues you have one manager . However that is based on one employee contracted for 22 hours if you have 3 students on 7.5 hours they equate to one person .

What I don't understand is one person has the same amount of training , reviews etc so a manager with colleagues who have smaller contracts could end up with 50. To 60 staff not 35 .

I don't understand the numbers thing either.

My extra  will have two full time fresh managers but the numbers are as follows.

Meat/Dairy 14 day staff
Bread 3 day staff
Bakery 6 day staff
Produce 8 day staff

So why are they giving fresh two managers? yet the sole front end manager is going to have close to 50 day time staff to look after!

Quote from: Brownbear68 on 02-03-23, 09:05PMPay rise for managers anyone heard anything. 2% is the general talk

Of course that's just a rumour but if that were to be the case then it'll be a complete insult.

I'm fully aware we're not most popular bunch on here but we've had one pay rise(review based) in the last 12 months compared to 3 for hourly paid colleagues.

The pay rise given to colleagues were well deserved and in my opinion the most recent rise a fairly decent one.

Salaried colleagues not included in the Nov 22 cost of living pay rise. I must have missed where we aren't affected 

I'm a dotcom TM so I effected by the recent restructure, positive and negative side to that! Wouldn't have minded a redundancy offer but also grateful for the job security and feel
for those affected.

If a 2% rise turns out to be true then I'll be off!

I'm being made redundant.  My boss said that TM will probably move to about 28k to get their pay away from   team leaders. At the moment all TM should be on a minimum of 26k. Somewhere in the region of 7% .

@mikoo do you not have team support though? and aren't tm roles non specific?  so you could be fresh if store manager decides.

Quote from: ForCryingOutLoud on 03-03-23, 11:16PMIs there any appetite on here to submit a collective grievance/ appeal regarding selection process?

Yes I am on board with this ,a complete set up

U want to see , and be able to appeal my scoring , I want to leave and have been matched to a position 

After 32 years , I'm going .
I have mixed emotions about this but when the bad days start to outweigh the good I have to look on the positive side .
I feel so sorry for anyone who has been put into a job they don't want ..... I wouldn't want to be dealing with the s*** show that's about to happen

Quote from: BigBlueCo on 04-03-23, 08:43PM

Quote from: ForCryingOutLoud on 03-03-23, 11:16PMIs there any appetite on here to submit a collective grievance/ appeal regarding selection process?

Yes I am on board with this ,a complete set up

U want to see , and be able to appeal my scoring , I want to leave and have been matched to a position 

I asked for my score and think it is incorrect, as believe it depends on your store manager.

Good evening, a colleague has discovered that in their store there is 5 TM, days TMs only, and it has now been discovered that 3 wanted to stay 2 leave surprisingly 1 of the two was job matched so they are questioning the process, could this be the same in other stores.

Quote from: Ninja on 05-03-23, 10:46AMAfter 32 years , I'm going .
I have mixed emotions about this but when the bad days start to outweigh the good I have to look on the positive side .
I feel so sorry for anyone who has been put into a job they don't want ..... I wouldn't want to be dealing with the s*** show that's about to happen

It is going to be difficult times ahead. Lucky for me we are going from 5 to two and 2 have requested to stay. This is third time I have been through this and this time I want to go.
We are supposed to go to mid shifts and into more of an admin role. I have had over half the store for a long time now, down to 38 colleagues now. I have done this doing three or more duty shifts a week, doing openings and closings. Working from 5am some days and moving to 2330 finishes others.
On paper it seems like the company have at long last listened and admit that this is a huge role for one person with no shift leads or team support, only off till colleagues who do not get a skilled pay. On the other hand they keep rolling out more and more things to keep us out of the office. The new comms works better on a phone than it does on MPC but to request and sue overtime for multiple Depts does not lend itself to being done on a mobile.
I can see more and more admin stuff coming over to managers. The online booking of holidays will probably be next. Hours then removed for wages clerk. Less and less for wages until it is gone as a role. A lot of stores have wages doing admin too but with the online training we do now there is less and less in the files so less to archive and check. Doing the admin is possible, given that the remaining managers are allowed the time to do these tasks. I suspect they will still be filling shelves.

Hearing GA`s will be culled next, and a big cull . Any truth?

Heard from where?

bring it on,a few in my store would love redundancy

Most in our store.