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Shift leaders in superstores duty is the primary function, if there not duty manager then what they doing?

Don't understand that comment.

We are a large store and out shift leaders will open and close the shop and do everything in between thats including filling, backdoor, problem solving, contacting help desk, maintenance etc etc. the only stuff they don't do is schedule and personnel meetings

Same in my store Random - they work their backsides off!

It's rumours and speculation. Although after what has happened over the past 7 years at Tesco then I would not be surprised with the removal of Managerial positions.

Tesco play the long game, they get all their affairs in order and then slice and dice with the cuts. Years ago your badge said "Betty - Produce - 1999." Then they changed the contracts to simply say "Betty - Customer Assistant - 1999"

Then within a year GAs were told about Serve, Pick & Fill. Although you have a core/primary department - it means nothing. You are simply a jack of all trades. You will never be offered redundancy as you are simply a customer assistant who can be sent to work anywhere on the shopfloor.

Tesco learnt a costly lesson during 2016-2018 when they spent hundreds of thousands on redundancy payments to night staff and stock control colleagues. This is why they decided to remove our departments from our contract.

Nothing is a coincidence at Tesco, it is all by design - the long con.

It is no coincidence that managers have not had a pay raise in a long time, it is no coincidence that shift leaders are running the shopfloor in superstores and Extras - whilst the managers sit upstairs. It is no coincidence with the creation of the MyTesco App that now takes a lot of work away from managers. It is no coincidence that we will soon be able to request holidays, overtime, work elsewhere in store or at another store all from our mobile phones... again less work/control for managers.

All of this is the long con by Tesco - to get ready for the removal of managers. Shift leader pay is getting increasing close to starting salary manager pay. I suspect Managers will be renamed shift leaders.

Don't forget Tesco are aiming to save £1Billion over the next 3years. That works out to £7millon a week. They cannot afford energy costs and constant pay raises for GAs and shift leaders.

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 26-01-23, 04:22PMShift leaders in superstores duty is the primary function, if there not duty manager then what they doing?

In my Extra not one of the shift leaders has ever been duty, I look forward to it happening though, a couple blagged their way into shift leader roles without ever being fully trained or tested so watching them s*** their pants when they have to deal with the store on a Saturday will be fun.

Quote from: forrestgimp on 26-01-23, 08:09AM

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 06:00PMApologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

Are you feeling sorry for yourself? I wouldn't look for much sympathy here, the vast majority of us on here have been on the receiving end of bullying and coercive behaviour from section/team managers over the years including being told we are over Pi and if we don't do more we will lose our jobs or no we cant have that holiday because another person on a different shift has a single day of so its over budget, Or we have been lied to about company policy to try to compel us to do things. Or no the 2005 pay review deal has been scrapped so everyone has to till train now or yes you were paid right go away, or there isnt any money to pay the overtime you just did so we will give you time in leu that you cant take because we wont let you (that last one has been stopped by head office now its actually written in Tesco policy).

So go cry by yourself.

What a real ar*whole thing to write.

 Nice one

We have 2 shift leads who do duties and 2 training. Once the trainees are up and running we will be at structure but not before.
The extra near me is 10 managers over structure. All stores were told to train shift leads, if they have not used this time to train shift leads they will suffer if there is a restructure as expected.

Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-01-23, 02:32PMShift Leaders have been doing duty shifts in Express for the past 9 years, it's hardly surprising, in fact it's more surprising that they weren't doing it already in SS format.

what's even more surprising is why anybody wants the shift leader role

Quote from: forrestgimp on 26-01-23, 08:09AM

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 06:00PMApologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

Are you feeling sorry for yourself? I wouldn't look for much sympathy here, the vast majority of us on here have been on the receiving end of bullying and coercive behaviour from section/team managers over the years including being told we are over Pi and if we don't do more we will lose our jobs or no we cant have that holiday because another person on a different shift has a single day of so its over budget, Or we have been lied to about company policy to try to compel us to do things. Or no the 2005 pay review deal has been scrapped so everyone has to till train now or yes you were paid right go away, or there isnt any money to pay the overtime you just did so we will give you time in leu that you cant take because we wont let you (that last one has been stopped by head office now its actually written in Tesco policy).

So go cry by yourself.

forrest, to be fair, not all managers are arseholes.....only the majority    

Quote from: lackofinterest on 26-01-23, 07:57PM

Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-01-23, 02:32PMShift Leaders have been doing duty shifts in Express for the past 9 years, it's hardly surprising, in fact it's more surprising that they weren't doing it already in SS format.

what's even more surprising is why anybody wants the shift leader role

They generally want it due to having ambition, a desire to work towards achieving a better standard of living for themselves and often their family.
For those with no ambition it can be difficult to understand the motivation though.

better standard of living? they will be expected to put tosco before their family and will probably be told to step down if they don't. ambition? with tosco? don't make me laugh

Thank you, that perfectly demonstrates my point on a complete lack of understanding of Ambition. 👍

I can't find any definition of ambition that mentions working longer hours or earning more money.

It seems to be achieving a better standard of living, which could be a better work life balance and/or more time with one's family or leisure time with friends.

Ambition often confused with greed.

or stupidity in this case in my opinion

Quote from: Nomad on 26-01-23, 08:30PMI can't find any definition of ambition that mentions working longer hours or earning more money.

It seems to be achieving a better standard of living, which could be a better work life balance and/or more time with one's family or leisure time with friends.

Ambition often confused with greed.

Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 26-01-23, 08:11PM

Quote from: lackofinterest on 26-01-23, 07:57PM

Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-01-23, 02:32PMShift Leaders have been doing duty shifts in Express for the past 9 years, it's hardly surprising, in fact it's more surprising that they weren't doing it already in SS format.

what's even more surprising is why anybody wants the shift leader role

They generally want it due to having ambition, a desire to work towards achieving a better standard of living for themselves and often their family.
For those with no ambition it can be difficult to understand the motivation though.

Well said mate

Quote from: Nomad on 26-01-23, 08:30PMI can't find any definition of ambition that mentions working longer hours or earning more money.

It seems to be achieving a better standard of living, which could be a better work life balance and/or more time with one's family or leisure time with friends.

Ambition often confused with greed.

Shift leaders are hourly paid colleagues not salaried, they are payed for the hours they work.
There is no confusion at all between ambition and greed for those of us that understand the difference and are happy to work for what we need.

The definition if greed is something more than is needed. I don't think an extra couple of quid is greed. A wee bit of jealousy I think.  Maybe should have leave 1sttimeround and not come back .

The question is, will tesco follow suit.

4300 jobs is not going to be all there nightshifts going,say average 40 staff employed over a week of nights at asda that,d be just under 110 getting rid,asda have around 340 odd superstores and over 200(supermarkets?not sure what the difference is)wouldnt get your hopes up

I wouldn't say 40. Our store has around 20 night crew and an extra. The number is probably an average and rumoured. But we shall see.

40 is just what i thought over the full week a store would employ,not per shift,im in extra and would think with managers we,d have 35 staff contracted to nights,but were not the biggest extra

Asda restructure moves grocery fill 7pm-12 and frozen 7pm-1am. If it's just these areas then its possible that 4000 colleagues is the vast majority of stores.

Asda restructure moves grocery fill 7pm-12 and frozen 7pm-1am. If it's just these areas then its possible that 4000 colleagues is the vast majority of stores.

We Have less than 30 night crew with. .Com. However Im Not sure it will save us this time.

The new report says fresh food will be filled between 7pm and midnight. Maybe articles are getting the news mixed up.