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Face Masks

Started by Welshie, 10-07-20, 10:20AM

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NightAndDay

Search covid infection rates  :thumbup:

barafear

Yes, exemptions make things difficult to "police" - apparently there is no such thing as "doctors giving out exemption letters" - I also believe (as someone else said) that there is no onus on a person to "prove" they are exempt.

However, for those genuine people who don't wear face masks, it can be hard for them as everyone is staring at them - or staff/security "tell" them to put a mask on.


NightAndDay

Which makes the law pointless, if the equality act 2010 gets in the way of making this common sense amendment enshrined in law then it needs reviewing in light of current circumstances.

londoner83

With the amount of aggrieved customers seeing others not wearing masks properly or at all surely its time government changed the rules.

Very few people genuinely can not wear a cloth mask for the hour or so they are shopping. Those that cant probably should if they can afford to  be shielding as infection rates rise.

Personally believe all shops should be no mask, no entry, with a couple of limited 1hr slots across the week when we will allow those without masks in (like nhs or elderly hour). We wouldn't let customers into a burning building, why are we letting them in to stores in areas with high covid rates without necessary protection

taichi

#354
Quote from: NightAndDay on 29-09-20, 08:17PM
Which makes the law pointless, if the equality act 2010 gets in the way of making this common sense amendment enshrined in law then it needs reviewing in light of current circumstances.

The powers that ministers are using to respond to the pandemic are based on two Acts of Parliament.

The Coronavirus Act, an emergency piece of legislation fast tracked through Parliament at the end of March, grants extensive powers to the authorities to tackle Covid.

It was used to close schools, postpone elections and stop mass gatherings. It also allows the authorities to forcibly quarantine anyone testing positive for the virus.

It is due to remain in force for two years, although there is a six-month review on Wednesday, when MPs will decide whether it should continue.

But most of the major interventions - including the national lockdown and the current local restrictions across England - are based on much-older legislation going back nearly 40 years.

The 1984 Public Health (Control of Disease) Act, passed by Parliament during the Thatcher era, gave her government and its successors very broad powers to deal with medical emergencies.

Successive measures to control the virus, such as the mandatory wearing of face masks in shops and the "rule of six" limit on gatherings, have been introduced through regulations linked to this law.

Regulations are legislative instruments which must be approved by Parliament but are often not debated.

They can subsequently be amended to authorise further restrictions although ministers are required to review the initial regulations every 28 days when Parliament is sitting.

The Health Protection Regulations 2020, which introduced the lockdown, came into force when Parliament was not sitting in late March and were retrospectively approved in early May.

In some cases during the pandemic, government policy has been based on voluntary guidance which, while it does not have legal force, has often been more restrictive. :thumbup:


Mutti

And now we have the Dept of Business telling councils to stop enforcing the mask legislation.

Barking & Dagenham council served enforcement notices on Sainsbury's, B&M and Morrisons for not ensuring compliance with the law, and Alok Sharma's department contacted the council telling them to
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the BEIS official, who said she was acting on behalf of Sharma, asked the council “to refrain from taking any further action against Lidl, B&M, Sainsbury’s and Morrisons supermarket operations.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/05/row-after-london-council-is-warned-off-enforcing-mask-rules-in-shops
 

Mutti


Digressing from the mask issue for a mo, has any attempt at encouraging social distancing been abandoned in all Tesco stores or is it just the one I work in?

Fading stickytape and spots on the floor are so familiar to customers now that they don't notice them and there's noone to prevent queues of 2 or 3 trollies at checkouts. 
People are back to shopping in family groups of 4 or 5 with most of them hovering in the barely wide enough corridor between checkouts and there's nothing done to discourage it.

Surely it's not beyond them to at least put out regular tannoy announcements thanking customers for remembering to give everyone a bit of space?
 

fscer

Pandemic is over in Tesco.

King1999

They couldn’t careless.

dotnochance

im starting to get real worried with the massive increase of cases 14.5k cases, since im a vulnerable person and tesco seems to thing its over

Welshie

We have our traffic light system in now so will be interesting to see if it affects numbers .

gomezz

Cue the excuses from customers who don't drive and claim not to understand what the different coloured lights mean.   8-)
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

londoner83

Without someone manning the door as soon as it opens multiple people rush thru, and even hold it open to allow more in.....
Its a good idea in practice but fails to take account that many will find ways to reduce their queuing time....leading to arguments with our older customers who generally follow the rules.

lucgeo

This has worked well with Aldi near me...though I'm unsure if the doors are connected to the light system, in that they don't automatically open when on red. They also have a guy at the door outside monitoring, which would make sense as the entering is determined by the lights, not the assistant, but would help with those all claiming to be colour blind etc...
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Nomad

And the 'penalty' for entering on red is  :question:
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The penalty is some custom for the store.

StinkyPoo

How will the staff get in? We use the main door so guess we could phone up and say, sorry I'm late, I'm waiting for the lights to change!

Nomad

StinkyPoo  :thumbup: I like your thinking  :)
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londoner83

There is a over ride button but again it soon becomes common knowledge and various people hit the button to avoid queueing.

Janey1959

 How can masks be mandatory when anyone can down load or buy on line an exemption card even when there is nothing wrong with them ,  just because they don't want to wear a mask

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I know a few who find it uncomfortable wearing a mask so wear a exemption card lanyard when there is nothing medically wrong with them.

lucgeo

#371
If they are not medically unfit to wear one, and the area they are working requires the wearing of a mask, then the managers are failing in their duty of care, by not establishing if the colleague is exempt or not. Tesco could be held liable, should that colleague contract the virus, and spread it, if they aren't medically exempt.
It's quite easy to have a meeting with each colleague claiming to be exempt and ascertaining, by way of a doctor's exemption certificate or their medical history, held in their personnel file, whether or not they are justified to go without a mask.
I would think a note placed in their file, stating that the colleague has claimed to be exempt, should be kept for future reference.

Nobody likes wearing a mask, most find it extremely uncomfortable, but I'd rather be wearing that, than fighting for breath on a ventilator, just because a selfish colleague wants to abuse the system, that helps keep us all safe.
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

gomezz

Actually it is not easy as the way the government have implemented this policy does not allow for anyone's claim to be exempt to be challenged.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

Redshoes

Anyone who is not able to wear a mask should have an adjustment passport. If they don't have one already they need one now.

Nomad

"adjustment passport"

Is that mandatory  :question: if so is that by law or by company policy  :question: or neither  :question:
From where or whom does one get an adjustment passport  :question:
Do they need proof of exemption to acquire adjustment passport  :question:
if so who made that proof mandatory  :question:
If required is the proof and/or adjustment passport issued FOC  :question:

Just asking.
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