Well over 1800 bakers looking at potentia redundancy, I know of 3 who will be out partying tonight hoping they make the cut but ours is a profitable one so they may be unlucky.
How accurate is the redundancy calculator on here, anyone?
It's a massive cull. Bakery managers to go along with half the bakery team. It is all going to bake off.
Managers, there is no mention of ANY team managers being effected
We're going to full bake off. No managers are affected only bakers and general assistants
Also I've been hanging on for a redundancy payment but it still felt like I'd been punch when i got the news
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 25-02-20, 07:29PM
How accurate is the redundancy calculator on here, anyone?
Very ... but I got more as also give redundancy on my last three months overtime , so had more then expected
Quote from: Fair play on 25-02-20, 07:41PM
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 25-02-20, 07:29PM
How accurate is the redundancy calculator on here, anyone?
Very ... but I got more as also give redundancy on my last three months overtime , so had more then expected
thank you For that..
So it's all going to bake off no need for a manager once the moves are done in may. The bakery manager role will combine with a fresh role.
Not all going to bake off some stores depending what they take will keep some scratch as the freezers not big enough to stock all the bake off.
Also it's bread and bakery manager, whatever happens i can't see them getting rid of the manager, they will still have some bakery staff and bread staff will still be the same hours even if you go full bake off. No way will they get rid of the manager.
Breifing given in my shop today
Bakery manger situation will be announced when the manager review happens later in the year
Only 200 something scratch bakeries will stay all the rest to change
All stores will be 6pm closing
Jobs offered before redundancy an offer. Around 1000 available online
Criteria to be confirmed with Usdaw and applied like last year Counters change
Collective consultation starts from week 1
All stores or bakeries 6pm closing
All bakeries
we have been told that no packers will start before 6am now,ours used to start at 5am
Those that are already transformation bakeries, will this culling affect those too? or will it be a change of hours?
Lots of noise on twitter on about the bakeries, one tweet said that one of the main cause due to loss of sales may be from unwrapped bread on display for all customers to touch and cough over. very unhygienic, to be honest they have a point. a very bad move to display unwrapped bread on the shop floor.
Quote from: Thor on 26-02-20, 10:01AM
Lots of noise on twitter on about the bakeries, one tweet said that one of the main cause due to loss of sales may be from unwrapped bread on display for all customers to touch and cough over. very unhygienic, to be honest they have a point. a very bad move to display unwrapped bread on the shop floor.
To be fair that's probably to biggest complaint that you're pretty much guaranteed to get everyday, we've had customers coming in for years but as soon as it changed to being unwrapped they either don't buy bread or shop elsewhere.
yeh good idea but a lift up screen should of been done for them like you get in coop
How do we actually go about trying to get the redundancy? We've been told you get put into a pool. Bakers and packers separate. Those with the worse attendance or availability will be the first to go. But those who do well get to stay and if we can't do the hours in the bakery then we can go else where in the store if there's a job going. My question is, is there anything we can actually say or do to get them to agree that although we are good and want to keep us, we can have redundancy? More people want to leave than stay but I don't think tesco will allow this. Letting go those who have a worse record and giving them a chunk of money feels like those of us who are hard working but want to leave are going to get punished and not given the redundancy. Hope this makes sense
And yet people complain about supermarkets and too much packaging. Damned if you do damned if you don't
Quote from: 2amSunRise on 26-02-20, 10:52AM
How do we actually go about trying to get the redundancy? We've been told you get put into a pool. Bakers and packers separate. Those with the worse attendance or availability will be the first to go. But those who do well get to stay and if we can't do the hours in the bakery then we can go else where in the store if there's a job going. My question is, is there anything we can actually say or do to get them to agree that although we are good and want to keep us, we can have redundancy? More people want to leave than stay but I don't think tesco will allow this. Letting go those who have a worse record and giving them a chunk of money feels like those of us who are hard working but want to leave are going to get punished and not given the redundancy. Hope this makes sense
You're being fed half truths...
If they have matched hours to your current contract, which also match your availability form and where you stated alternative dept or store, then if you then refuse you are not eligible for redundancy.
If more than one people apply for an available vacancy, then it goes on criteria...a pointing system e.g. Length of service, if you are a first aider, USDAW rep etc. would gain an extra point.
I'm pretty sure your sickness record cannot be taken into account.
Again I'd reiterate, if you want redundancy, ONLY state your CURRENT hours and availability on the form...do not say you will do less hours/ different shifts or days, DO NOT STATE you will consider another store, only put dept's instore that you would really want to work on. If you're a full timer, state the dept's which have less hours contracts (mainly all of shopfloor now!)
Do not believe you have to put least/most hours on the form...untrue!
Do not believe you have to explain your lack of availability...untrue!
You are a skilled baker, on a specific dept, and have a dept code, therefore your position is being made redundant. You are not an unskilled CA, with no recognised specific dept.
Take a witness into every meeting, write down your questions beforehand to ask at the meeting and get a copy of the notes made with the answers to your questions.
Also ask if your higher grade will be permanently recognised on an unskilled dept, as you would technically be taking a demotion therefore suffering a detriment.
Lucgeo. Thank you. :thumbup:
can you do more then 1 dept like bakery an dotcom or something and keep full hrs?
Only once the process is finished, could you apply for a vacancy on another dept...as all vacancies must be available for everyone to apply. Your consultation will concentrate on whether you are taking a drop in hours or redundancy. Your decision must be reached on this alone, as there's no guarantee after the process that another dept will be able to accommodate you, and not every store is open to having people working two dept's as availability becomes an issue!
Thanks for the reply that is tricky then, 16k an look for work or look for second job.
The least hours you can put in on a availability form is what you are contracted to same for days your contracted to but then you can put as many as you want if your desperate to stay but as stated above is your job matched redundancy is not offered
Say on the availability form you filled out a couple years, you put that you'd be willing to move department or store. Can they go on that or is that only valid for a certain time?
You have to fill new availability form in anyway so state all info on the new availability form
They will go off info you put on new availability form
Quote from: heyyouguys on 26-02-20, 12:37PM
The least hours you can put in on a availability form is what you are contracted to same for days your contracted to but then you can put as many as you want if your desperate to stay but as stated above is your job matched redundancy is not offered
No the least hours you can put, is the least hours you are willing to take, same as the least/most days your willing to work, to enable you to be job matched.
You state only the hours/ days you currently are contracted to on the form for a better chance of redundancy.
If you want a higher chance of redundancy, you have to make your availability as restrictive as possible, i.e same hours requirements and schedule as your current situation.
Quote from: lucgeo on 26-02-20, 11:53AM
Quote from: 2amSunRise on 26-02-20, 10:52AM
How do we actually go about trying to get the redundancy? We've been told you get put into a pool. Bakers and packers separate. Those with the worse attendance or availability will be the first to go. But those who do well get to stay and if we can't do the hours in the bakery then we can go else where in the store if there's a job going. My question is, is there anything we can actually say or do to get them to agree that although we are good and want to keep us, we can have redundancy? More people want to leave than stay but I don't think tesco will allow this. Letting go those who have a worse record and giving them a chunk of money feels like those of us who are hard working but want to leave are going to get punished and not given the redundancy. Hope this makes sense
You're being fed half truths...
If they have matched hours to your current contract, which also match your availability form and where you stated alternative dept or store, then if you then refuse you are not eligible for redundancy.
If more than one people apply for an available vacancy, then it goes on criteria...a pointing system e.g. Length of service, if you are a first aider, USDAW rep etc. would gain an extra point.
I'm pretty sure your sickness record cannot be taken into account.
Again I'd reiterate, if you want redundancy, ONLY state your CURRENT hours and availability on the form...do not say you will do less hours/ different shifts or days, DO NOT STATE you will consider another store, only put dept's instore that you would really want to work on. If you're a full timer, state the dept's which have less hours contracts (mainly all of shopfloor now!)
Do not believe you have to put least/most hours on the form...untrue!
Do not believe you have to explain your lack of availability...untrue!
You are a skilled baker, on a specific dept, and have a dept code, therefore your position is being made redundant. You are not an unskilled CA, with no recognised specific dept.
Take a witness into every meeting, write down your questions beforehand to ask at the meeting and get a copy of the notes made with the answers to your questions.
Also ask if your higher grade will be permanently recognised on an unskilled dept, as you would technically be taking a demotion therefore suffering a detriment.
Brilliant thank you.
https://amp-belfasttelegraph-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/tesco-to-cut-100-jobs-in-northern-ireland-as-part-of-group-wide-cuts-38990368.html
Hi, I was just wondering what sort of questions should I be asking when I go into these meetings?? This is the first time that I’ve had to go through this! I’m with the company nearly 20 years! Thank you in advance x
Quote from: Janjan1976 on 26-02-20, 03:04PM
Hi, I was just wondering what sort of questions should I be asking when I go into these meetings?? This is the first time that I’ve had to go through this! I’m with the company nearly 20 years! Thank you in advance x
Availability, willing to move departments , willing to move store, minimum hours, maximum hours
Quote from: lucgeo on 26-02-20, 01:22PM
Quote from: heyyouguys on 26-02-20, 12:37PM
The least hours you can put in on a availability form is what you are contracted to same for days your contracted to but then you can put as many as you want if your desperate to stay but as stated above is your job matched redundancy is not offered
No the least hours you can put, is the least hours you are willing to take, same as the least/most days your willing to work, to enable you to be job matched.
You state only the hours/ days you currently are contracted to on the form for a better chance of redundancy.
When you tick the boxes on availability form you have to put minimum what shifts you work there is separate part for minimum and maximum hours and days you work I've probably explained it wrong so hope this makes sense it's what we did in may with counters
Quote from: Janjan1976 on 26-02-20, 03:04PM
Hi, I was just wondering what sort of questions should I be asking when I go into these meetings?? This is the first time that I’ve had to go through this! I’m with the company nearly 20 years! Thank you in advance x
You will be given a letter if you are at risk, and you will be given a meeting whereby it will be clarified whether or not your job is at risk. If it is, you should be given an future appointment slot, request a rep be in attendance for every future meeting, which they are obliged to arrange, not you! In the next meeting you will be informed that your role is affected and the 30 day consultation period starts from that date. You should be given a predicted redundancy forecast at this meeting. In the first meeting, say little, but let them tell you what the situation is, agree to nothing! Ask them to confirm that you will be assured the paid four half day shifts, for any interviews you may secure with other employers. Ensure you are provided with a copy of the notes of the meeting. You will be given the next appointment date, however you can request a meeting in between if you wish.
Quote from: heyyouguys on 26-02-20, 05:21PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 26-02-20, 01:22PM
Quote from: heyyouguys on 26-02-20, 12:37PM
The least hours you can put in on a availability form is what you are contracted to same for days your contracted to but then you can put as many as you want if your desperate to stay but as stated above is your job matched redundancy is not offered
No the least hours you can put, is the least hours you are willing to take, same as the least/most days your willing to work, to enable you to be job matched.
You state only the hours/ days you currently are contracted to on the form for a better chance of redundancy.
When you tick the boxes on availability form you have to put minimum what shifts you work there is separate part for minimum and maximum hours and days you work I've probably explained it wrong so hope this makes sense it's what we did in may with counters
You do not have to put LESS hours than you do now in the minimum hours/shifts/ days you can work. you can state the same contract you do now, you can put more hours/shifts/days in the maxi, if full time these would stay the same unless your willing to go to six days?
Ahh, just re read your initial post, think we're singing from the same hymn sheet :thumbup:
yeh im just superconfused now lol
on min I put what I do now an on max all im available?
So sad to hear of the scratch bakeries going, I had 15 yrs in the bakery and was a fully skilled baker and then a bakery manager, then moved to compliance, and then fell victim of the drastic Dave effect. Now work mon-Friday and on more money but I don’t half miss the bakery. Such a shame to see these people who are passionate about there job now at risk
Good luck to anyone affected but please be reassured there is life after tesco
This just says it all!! I am one of the affected bakery staff. A manager in the store I work in told his wife who also works in our store about our bakery and what was happening to us. She then came in yesterday and told us before we heard officially. We complained about the both of them and so far nothing had been said to either of them. Store manager and our bakery manager have not said a word to them. How can this be right. We are strongly thinking of a collective grievance. :-X
Seeing as it was public knowledge yesterday I fail to see the issue. Poor form to gossip about it. but that's all.
Quote from: smithers on 26-02-20, 06:41PM
yeh im just superconfused now lol
on min I put what I do now an on max all im available?
If you want redundancy.... on min you put what you do now...days/ shifts / contracted hours, same on max. Availability same shifts as now.
If you want to stay and are prepared to drop hours...on min you put the least amount of hours you are prepared to drop to, days... the min or max you are prepared to come into work, availability window..., the earliest you can start and the latest you can finish.
In the media.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/25/nearly-2000-tesco-staff-lose-jobs-12300781/ (https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/25/nearly-2000-tesco-staff-lose-jobs-12300781/)
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/25/tesco-jobs-at-risk-bakeries (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/feb/25/tesco-jobs-at-risk-bakeries)
Can you confirm the direct quote...Bakery manger situation will be announced when the manager review happens later in the year. Here's hoping 😁
Thanks
Quote from: superstore_tl on 25-02-20, 11:01PM
Breifing given in my shop today
Bakery manger situation will be announced when the manager review happens later in the year
Only 200 something scratch bakeries will stay all the rest to change
All stores will be 6pm closing
Jobs offered before redundancy an offer. Around 1000 available online
Criteria to be confirmed with Usdaw and applied like last year Counters change
Collective consultation starts from week 1
Quote from: 2amSunRise on 26-02-20, 10:52AM
How do we actually go about trying to get the redundancy? We've been told you get put into a pool. Bakers and packers separate. Those with the worse attendance or availability will be the first to go. But those who do well get to stay and if we can't do the hours in the bakery then we can go else where in the store if there's a job going. My question is, is there anything we can actually say or do to get them to agree that although we are good and want to keep us, we can have redundancy? More people want to leave than stay but I don't think Tesco will allow this. Letting go those who have a worse record and giving them a chunk of money feels like those of us who are hard working but want to leave are going to get punished and not given the redundancy. Hope this makes sense
Hmmm problem is that probably 90% of stores is heavily over hours. So no chance to keep them in-store. On top of that people in our store been told that they will lose some more hours on counters. So who knows what's going to happen.
we keep getting told our store is over hours,yet .com keep recruiting new pickers and drivers,as no one lasts in the job long,as the woman who runs it is a useless and treats staff like c**p
Quote from: maisie on 26-02-20, 07:31PM
This just says it all!! I am one of the affected bakery staff. A manager in the store I work in told his wife who also works in our store about our bakery and what was happening to us. She then came in yesterday and told us before we heard officially. We complained about the both of them and so far nothing had been said to either of them. Store manager and our bakery manager have not said a word to them. How can this be right. We are strongly thinking of a collective grievance. :-X
It was in the press and a company email was sent out the day before, why are you bothered about how you found out and by whom?
If you are full time and on fixed contract you can put the hours you are contracted to on the availability form, same for part time.
If you are on a flexi contract you have to put down hours over and above your contracted shifts, this stands for full time and part time. You don't have to have full availability but you do have to be flexible or you are in breach of your contract.
If you don't want to stay put down minimum but if you do only put down what you can actually do but add comments. The comments matter. If you can work Tuesday mornings but only one wk in four, put that down. If you have a second job, put that down. If you have social or any other commitments, put that down. You are allowed a life outside of work but you can't put down available to work Tuesday's but then repeatedly turn them down when offered as a shift move or on overtime. Your availability should truly reflect what you are able and willing to work. You don't have to explain your availability, just don't put down what you can't do.
Morrisons offers job interviews to Tesco bakery workers at risk of job cuts (https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/morrisons-offers-job-interviews-tesco-21582236)
QuoteMorrisons has vowed to offer interviews to the 1,800 bakers at risk of losing their jobs following an announcement by Tesco to slim down its in-store bakeries.
They said this for counters fishmongers last year but had no vacancies.
Going to pop in my local to have a sniff around. I know it's all done online but can't hurt to adk
Quote from: Baker4life on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
Going to pop in my local to have a sniff around. I know it's all done online but can't hurt to adk
If you do check with the bakers what thier hours are, I'm pretty sure they arnt same shifts each week. The times/days change every week, they will have 6 weeks rotas up and your days of work and shift times will vary each week so you never know where you are
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Sounds grim to be honest but worth a look
All Skilled Bakers are affected, and semi skilled. Reason being your job title is no more. Fresh College is the new name, this will support all fresh areas. As keeping the flow with no more Bakery manager going to be Fresh managers and fresh area manager
Quote from: Dave Lewis on 01-03-20, 08:07AM
All Skilled Bakers are affected, and semi skilled. Reason being your job title is no more. Fresh College is the new name, this will support all fresh areas. As keeping the flow with no more Bakery manager going to be Fresh managers and fresh area manager
A name like Dave Lewis and trying to say these new job titles as fact like you are him, yet spell the word colleague right. Nice try though with the scare mongering.
Sorry for the spelling mistake, within weeks you will hear this, like I heard from uncle Dave.
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Hi all Baker's, I'm under the impression that the stores that are going to full back off that collegues have been offered redundancy packages up front. My question is to anyone reading this that if this has been you, has recent offers been in line with the VLH redundancy calculator? Thanks in advance.
Still waiting to see what it is. Hopefully next week. I was told it would be Tesco plus statutory but what that will look like is anyone's guess.
Quote from: Dave Lewis on 01-03-20, 02:07PM
Sorry for the spelling mistake, within weeks you will hear this, like I heard from uncle Dave.
Problem with picking that name is you are not as anonymous as you think especialy not in this age of static ips for everyone. So should the real Dave Lewis (assuming your are impersonating him) decide he doesnt like someone using his name to cause Tesco problems the owner of this site could well end up with an order forcing them to disclose any and all information they hold about you.
My advice, Stop.
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 10:05PM
Quote from: Baker4life on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
Going to pop in my local to have a sniff around. I know it's all done online but can't hurt to adk
If you do check with the bakers what thier hours are, I'm pretty sure they arnt same shifts each week. The times/days change every week, they will have 6 weeks rotas up and your days of work and shift times will vary each week so you never know where you are
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Many, many years ago we had redundancies open to all and loads of people left and went to the newly opened morrisons. It was not company wide redundancies, it was just our store. Anyway, bakers came in saying that the flour used in morrisons was of a grade that our place would not accept. Within a year people were trying to get back, all ranks and depts. Morrisons was not good to work for. This infor is years out of date, we are a very different company now and I assume they are too but we started from a better place.
A big lump sum is hard to turn down. The decision is hard. I feel for those involved. I have made the choice to stay twice and I only regret it on the odd bad day in work but I chose not to gamble and even with long service I decided that that it was better for me to stay. It won't be the same for all, I know that. I did retain full time but to do so I chose to take a job in another store. I did not mind this though.
we have 2 bakers that came from morrisons,because there was no set shift pattern when they worked for them,they both said if they are made redundant they will look for work anywhere except morrisons
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 01-03-20, 02:19PM
Hi all Baker's, I'm under the impression that the stores that are going to full back off that collegues have been offered redundancy packages up front. My question is to anyone reading this that if this has been you, has recent offers been in line with the VLH redundancy calculator? Thanks in advance.
The vlh redundancy calculator is bang on, apart from its 12 weeks lieu instead of 8.
Quote from: Jethro on 02-03-20, 08:03AM
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 01-03-20, 02:19PM
Hi all Baker's, I'm under the impression that the stores that are going to full back off that collegues have been offered redundancy packages up front. My question is to anyone reading this that if this has been you, has recent offers been in line with the VLH redundancy calculator? Thanks in advance.
The vlh redundancy calculator is bang on, apart from its 12 weeks lieu instead of 8.
so would I be correct in saying we would be due 4 more weeks pay on top of the calculater? If it's 12 not 8?
Is that a recent change? I know it's 12 weeks in lieu by law if you've been contracted more than 12 years.
Quote from: kaled78 on 02-03-20, 07:57AM
we have 2 bakers that came from morrisons,because there was no set shift pattern when they worked for them,they both said if they are made redundant they will look for work anywhere except morrisons
Yes this is a big problem with Morrisons. It's a crazy system to work under if you ask me, seems like it would only work if you are happy to compromise your life to there beck and call. Yes you know rotas in advance but never having the same shifts/days off week to week wouldn't be an option for me with my family commitments.
When we got redundancy last May, we were given 12 weeks in lieu of notice, this may of changed, but when you go into consultation they should be able to give you full facts and figures. Hope this is of some help.
I could be wrong but where the deli/counters staff not paid 12wks as counters were closing and there wasn't time for them to work the 4 wks notice that previous affected staff had worked ??
Has anyone actually had their 121 meeting yet?
I'm not sure about counters, we were stock control and apart from the redundancy package and 12 weeks notice, I assume there were no alternative offers at the time on the table unless you were prepared to move stores.
Not having 121 meetings yet not sure when.
If Bakers do have any updates what your store specific changes are could we please update each other on here? From what I've heard almost all bakers will only accept full time contracts or redundancies.
The worst part about this whole situation is the not knowing, this is undoubtedly affecting many people's mental health. For a company who like to be percieved as careing and supportive to colleges mental health it's very contradictory to prolong the process and keeping us on the tightrope.
Since dottycom has gone bagless I've noted less fresh bread being ordered, From customers that do order it endless complaints about bread sticks loose wrapped being left to slide around in what they see as dirty trays. Totally understandable.
Quote from: Samuel137 on 02-03-20, 12:06PM
Has anyone actually had their 121 meeting yet?
121 meetings won't happen tilll all effected have handed in availability forms
Think they should find out our redundancy package before having to hand in our availability sheets. It could make a difference to what we put down
121's wont happen until new heatmap with post restructured hours comes down. Remember if the company job matches your availability to a new role you wont get redundancy
Have you guys not had the redundancy calculation forms? Our bakers and packers got them last Friday.
All we have had is availability form to fill in and hand bck by 11th March. We are in limbo for nearly 3 wks.
Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 03-03-20, 07:17PM
Have you guys not had the redundancy calculation forms? Our bakers and packers got them last Friday.
Never heard of such forms, I'm guessing your store is going full bake off?
Like gym bunny said we've all had availability forms that need to be back by 11th March.
No, we are going part scratch, part bake off.
If you want redundancy then put full time hours on there because there is naff all full time jobs going at the big T. Mostly 8-15 hours rubbish.
Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 03-03-20, 07:17PM
Have you guys not had the redundancy calculation forms? Our bakers and packers got them last Friday.
never heard of redundancy calculator forms we are going part scratch part partbake as well not all of us have had our availability meeting yet
I am hoping for redundancy from the bakery, and been looking for info on SAYE.
What happens to ones that you are still paying? I have one that finishes this year, are you expected to just get your money back or do they freeze it and you can buy at the end of the term? Tried looking for an answer to this, but can't see anything? Very unfair if you get nothing in return. Tia.
We are one of the ones loosing scratch bakery completely.
Do you think management would object to me using a voice recorder in my meetings for my own record ?
With regard to SAYE, when we took redundancy last year, we were able to buy the shares at the option prices with the money we had saved into each share option. Once you have been made redundant equitini will write to you regarding options.
Thank you Pollypest.
Quote from: Oldman on 03-03-20, 11:15PM
Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 03-03-20, 07:17PM
Have you guys not had the redundancy calculation forms? Our bakers and packers got them last Friday.
never heard of redundancy calculator forms we are going part scratch part partbake as well not all of us have had our availability meeting yet
The redundancy calculator will be the forecast letter given you, of how much redundancy pay you would get.
Quote from: Oldman on 04-03-20, 08:22AM
Do you think management would object to me using a voice recorder in my meetings for my own record ?
You would have little need of the recorder, as all meetings are written down and the copy of your notes will be given at the end of each meeting. You are also entitled to have a rep or colleague attend each meeting with you, which the management need to arrange if requested.
And heat map is down, expected wk 3 but it's always late.
Red shoes, are you say heat map has arrived? Bit confused as you said it's late.
Hey guys does anyone know if we get taxed on the the redundancy package
Quote from: Baker4life on 04-03-20, 11:34PM
Hey guys does anyone know if we get taxed on the the redundancy package
Taxed only on payments over 30k
Sweet cheers bud
Quote from: Baker4life on 05-03-20, 03:45AM
Sweet cheers bud
Not sure what's going to happen but I heard during the last redundancies there was a cap at 26k so don't know what happens if you are owed more than that
Dont listen to rumors.
30000 tax free, statutory redundancy goes off average 12 weeks pay or contract pay , whichever higher , service element goes off contractual pay, then 12 weeks lieu which u pay tax and ni on.
If you don't pay tax now, you will be taxed on your redundancy pay and your N.I. contributions will be higher on your final payout.
Heat map never comes down when they say, it's always late. It's due this wk but this will need to be modified by stores with updated then in wk 3. I'm not an expert on this but the one that is due is from Jan info so any movements since then need to be added for the refresh in wk 3. Someone may comment that I'm wrong in this, I accept that I could be but I'm not far off.
The heat map reflects the hours for the base wk, this is the quiest wk of the whole year so a dept should not really sit at these hours. It will show what tasks should be done by depts and at what time. However, we are also told it's only a guide and does not have to followed to the letter.
For bakeries this will give new dept structure. It will show what tasks need to be done and when. It will now be refreshed four times a year so will show progress stores have made to get closer to base hours. So the bakeries will not be expected to be at new structure for this round of heat map, new working practices, new fixtures, new ranges will not be in place. It will however show where to aim for. I have no idea if the change in hours is done in stages to allow for changes. I have no idea what happens with the change from scratch to bake off as this can't change overnight in the affected stores all at the same time. I think this is where the "only a guide" part kicks in.
The heat map is a pointless exercise as trade in January was poor and we are coming into a busy period now ie Easter ,May Day ,whitsun,especially bakery and the thousands of hot cross to be made if they want them made that is ,after all the upheaval the bakers are putting up with.
Have any managers been affected thus far? or are they safe for now?
Well slowly watching the redundancy dream go up in smoke. If your half useful then managers are going to bend the situation, and will end up staying, by using matched hours. Still not 100‰ convinced that it will happen.
Totally agree, all bakery managers have been have training this week in how to make sure none of us get a penny and have to take other roles in store even if it’s half bakery half another department.
I was promised that, when merch went through it last year. That I'd get to make up my hours on another dept. But didn't get.
Quote from: Baker14 on 05-03-20, 05:49PM
Totally agree, all bakery managers have been have training this week in how to make sure none of us get a penny and have to take other roles in store even if it’s half bakery half another department.
I'm putting my availability to my current rota hours have done the same hours for well over 4 months now and we have been told only dept with hours is for com they can't match my hours with them and I will not budge on them
Quote from: Baker14 on 05-03-20, 05:49PM
Ridiculous statement.... >:D
Totally agree, all bakery managers have been have training this week in how to make sure none of us get a penny and have to take other roles in store even if it’s half bakery half another department.
ah yes the "gold for how to not let anyone get any redundancy payout training pack" I remember it well. Go boil your head whoever thinks that is a thing.
Out store have been trying to combine job vacancies in other departments to give the bakers an option of staying on or if they want rendundancy.
I’m just going on what I’ve been told by a bakery manager who has been to the the first of the 2 day course. Just trying to prewarn people it won’t be as easy as counter staff found it to take redundancy.
The company now realises the stupidity of paying thousands to make people redundant whilst having hundreds of unfilled vacancies across the business. Whilst Baking is a skilled role, packers should be easily transferable into a different role
So how are they proposing to sort your higher grade payment, are you keeping it?
Just stick to the hours you do now and shifts...if they match you to them, without a change having to be made by you, then the job is there.
Do not be told you have to meet halfway, change contract...you don't!
Also I would question, in the meeting with notes. If the department they are suggesting, are under hours, if so by how many? If they are putting you into a dept, which will then be over hours, they are creating an unsustained position.
They could protect the hours you can’t do and pay you protected for 2 years though ???
This all sounds so confusing, We've still heard nothing except for asking us to fill in availability forms
True BUT why are they training staff on shop floor and managers all of a sudden to make bread at some stores ?
In essence it's not making bread, it's warming through a part baked loaf. It's part of the "multi skilled" training they want everyone to have, so when they are short on staff they can ask Joe from checkouts to go warm some bread off or Matilda from dairy to help out and do potential reductions.
Been told first 121 is 6th April so left hanging for another 4 weeks.
Been looking on the acas site your rights during redundancies even if they job match you then you have a right to a 4 week trial period where if you find it's not working out then you could still get made redundant
[quote author=Oldman link=topic=17219.msg237768#msg237768 date=1583506You have the right to a 4-week trial period in an alternative job. This should start after you’ve worked your notice period and your existing contract has ended. This avoids any confusion or disputes if the trial does not work out.
It’s a good idea to get the dates for the trial period in writing. If you need longer to train for a job, get your employer’s agreement in writing with a clear end date.
If your employer offers you more than one job, you can try each for 4 weeks.
I'm pretty sure if they can job match you in your own dept and to your availability, then it's not a redundancy issue. If you apply for, or they offer you, a different dept, then the four week trial kicks in?
You can also defer redundancy to take up a temporary vacancy, e.g. Seasonal, maternity etc...but should a situation arise during this time whereby you are dismissed then you will not get the redundancy payout.
Quote from: Baker4life on 06-03-20, 02:10PM
Been told first 121 is 6th April so left hanging for another 4 weeks.
Easter week, more great planning by the genius tesco management.
Like we will be busy Easter week. ;D
No hot cross can go and fly.
Can feel a bit of sickness coming on around easter week :thumbup:
@Jethro...make sure it's either into the ovens or over the bread/buns...you decide. ;) ;) ;)
Any help with questions to ask at 121 meetings gratefully accepted I am trying to go for redundancy so my availability form is virtually impossible to job match as Tues till fri I start at 3 am and as far as I'm aware no other dept has 3 am starts tia
Does anyone feel that this process will be fair and proper, because in the store I work in I don’t believe it will be, the wife of the person doing the consultation is a personal friend of one of the staff and is the bakery manager’s favourite ie tells them everything, I really have my doubts this will be fair hope I’m wrong
If Tescos rules were adhered to, they wouldn't be working in such close capacity anyway, this sounds like it's tickling the edge of Tescos Conflict of Interest policy.
It is also not unheard of for managers to bend the rules of conflict of interest, what usually results are unfair decisions, favoritism, process being ignored and a chumocratic leadership stance.
Quote from: Notmyname on 08-03-20, 08:57AM
Does anyone feel that this process will be fair and proper, because in the store I work in I don’t believe it will be, the wife of the person doing the consultation is a personal friend of one of the staff and is the bakery manager’s favourite ie tells them everything, I really have my doubts this will be fair hope I’m wrong
Too be honest I've had the same gut feelings, the favourites will come out of it all ok.
You can bring that up, ask for fair impartial consultation. They will want things right as any disputes go up the line and if you have stated unfair and not impartial they won't want that coming back on them.
Isn't it today the heatmap is due to drop?
What's people's opinions on this whole process during the Corona pandemic, surely it should get postponed.
We have been flat out in the bakery since the panic buying has started. If plant bread falls short in the coming weeks/months the pressure on ISB is going to be huge. Not to mention when sickness/deaths happen in store. I don't think the majority of people realise just how big this virus is going to get.
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 16-03-20, 11:49AM
Isn't it today the heatmap is due to drop?
What's people's opinions on this whole process during the Corona pandemic, surely it should get postponed.
We have been flat out in the bakery since the panic buying has started. If plant bread falls short in the coming weeks/months the pressure on ISB is going to be huge. Not to mention when sickness/deaths happen in store. I don't think the majority of people realise just how big this virus is going to get.
think ours may well have arrived had the sm that took our availability meetings chasing us up for our forms we kinda held on to them as long as possible got them signed and photo copied so they can't alter them >:D
Regarding the current situation, the company made a decision. Cut a lose and let us get gon with life. Don't say we haven't got jobs then string it out for another month.
Heard the heatmaps are down for some stores and delayed for others, any info anyone?
Heard from our rep today bakers not willing to except a 20% reduction in hours will be offered redundancy that's on mail he received today I'm not in the Union but he was talking to one of our bakers
If that’s the case there won’t be hardly any bakers left.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 19-03-20, 05:30AM
If that’s the case there won’t be hardly any bakers left.
I got to read the letter and that was not correct information it's a lot harder to explain but basically they will try their hardest to keep you especially the good ones the union have asked them to agree to voluntary redundancy something the company had ruled out before
But is the bit about 20% reduction factual?
If they can't match your current contract hours, and you don't agree to drop on protected pay, then it's a redundancy situation. They can't dictate a drop in hours, that's why you have a contract.
Just heard from our other baker, than any baker with asthma is now off for 12 wks. We have 2 with asthma, there is only me left. :( :( :'(
Quote from: Danman on 19-03-20, 11:59AM
But is the bit about 20% reduction factual?
no it was saying if your current hours were less than 50% in the bakery .I questioned it because 20% off all bakers in our store was not equal to the 70hours over they are saying we are we would need to lose more than 20%
Quote from: Gymbunny on 19-03-20, 01:45PM
Just heard from our other baker, than any baker with asthma is now off for 12 wks. We have 2 with asthma, there is only me left. :( :( :'(
is this true as one of our bakers is asthmatic and we have not been told anything ?
The guy I work with was told just b4 he left at 12.30pm.
Messaged me to let me know, so is totally true.
"Stand by your employers" Boris is saying for the next 12 weeks. Ha, tell that to Bakery staff who don't know where they will be in 8 weeks.
Damien a government decesion or advice has to be without the millions of what about xxx unique situations that occur in everyones lifes
Quote from: Gymbunny on 19-03-20, 01:45PM
Just heard from our other baker, than any baker with asthma is now off for 12 wks. We have 2 with asthma, there is only me left. :( :( :'(
Is it asthma or bakers lung??
Quote from: Oldman on 19-03-20, 02:16PM
Quote from: Gymbunny on 19-03-20, 01:45PM
Just heard from our other baker, than any baker with asthma is now off for 12 wks. We have 2 with asthma, there is only me left. :( :( :'(
is this true as one of our bakers is asthmatic and we have not been told anything ?
No longer allowed to employ someone with asthma in bakery. It's on health questionnaire as you start.
In the light of the current situation with covid-19 I wonder what will happen with restructuring bakeries our store like all I imagine is working flat out to keep customers supplied with fresh bread as plant bread gets decimated I have just had to go into 14 days self isolation due to a family member getting symptoms and still waiting to find out about 121 meetings
Someone said there is a conference call Monday.
They cannot expect us to keep working flat out for who knows how long to then go and cut your hrs or make you redundant if you don't want to go. I want to leave sooner rather than later.
It should still go ahead and if you can have redundancy they could offer you to stay at your original hrs for as long as they need you or how long you want, whatever comes first and then leave with your package.
I personally think the redundancies will be put on hold, unless the consultation has started and finish date letter given? Even then a deferred redundancy could be offered, in that you continue working your contract hours and finish when the current situation ends with your redundancy package.
Should give people their redundancy package, then the option of staying on on a temporary contract until it's all over.
Trouble is, once the wind blows over we will all be back to square one. Getting shafted....
They played their hand, I think it's right to have you cake and eat it. I know everyone's situation is different.
If the company asked, hay let those who want to stay, stay. But I don't want to be messed around any. Wages cut, bonus cut, hours cut,jobs cut.
If they pull out, it's just pure greed. Whatever the spin.
Get on with it and stop messing with peoples lives, it's just a job.
Quote from: Jethro on 21-03-20, 03:39PM
Should give people their redundancy package, then the option of staying on on a temporary contract until it's all over.
Once you are paid redundancy, you are no longer employed, therefore all your official documentation is processed...P45...P60 etc...you would then have to re apply, which could take weeks to sort out!
Maybe they could do like a deferred temporary contract thingy. Not sure on the legal technicalities but....
Quote from: lucgeo on 21-03-20, 05:32PM
Quote from: Jethro on 21-03-20, 03:39PM
Should give people their redundancy package, then the option of staying on on a temporary contract until it's all over.
Once you are paid redundancy, you are no longer employed, therefore all your official documentation is processed...P45...P60 etc...you would then have to re apply, which could take weeks to sort out!
Application to starting is taking about 24 hours in the current climate.
I am right in thinking that when we where all called into a meeting, that's the start of the 90 days? Anyone able to confirm this?
Quote from: lucgeo on 21-03-20, 05:32PM
Quote from: Jethro on 21-03-20, 03:39PM
Should give people their redundancy package, then the option of staying on on a temporary contract until it's all over.
Once you are paid redundancy, you are no longer employed, therefore all your official documentation is processed...P45...P60 etc...you would then have to re apply, which could take weeks to sort out!
Only way I know of to do this is to take deferred redundancy. You have a sort of trial in new role to se if it suits. I believe you can agree a given time but either side can pull it at any time. Recently, when the electrical desks went some colleagues took temp Christmas jobs, at the end they either paid off or stayed. You just can't leave and get your lump sum but stay, but these are not normal times so things could change. Constant updates. The way we are recruiting is not normal, the way we are inducting these new people is not normal. Normal does not exist just now.
If they do put it on hold until reality is back to normal then us bakery staff should be compensated out of good will. Not sure how they would work it out maybe a 'uncertainty payment' 20% of our past years earnings should see reasonable.
What happens if you have been accepted for a new job elsewhere thinking your end date is 1st may, but then Tesco keep you on for longer. Then your new job offer gets withdrawn because they are not willing to wait!! Either leave and take new job but no redundancy, or stay for X amount of months and get pay off but no job once you leave.
Exactly we were going to bake off and I was told there was no job for me. Accepted a new role elsewhere and due to start 9th May. I was told my leaving date would be 2nd may and have been given a redundancy figure.
Bertie blue maybe ask if your redundancy figure matched the vlh calculator?
Quote from: Baker4life on 23-03-20, 02:57AM
Bertie blue maybe ask if your redundancy figure matched the vlh calculator?
. No it was 2500 more
If we go lock down, how we going to have the chance to find jobs
Quote from: cheesy cob on 23-03-20, 07:38AM
If we go lock down, how we going to have the chance to find jobs
The chances are other companies will also be in lockdown, so finding alternative employment will be drastically reduced?
Quote from: Bluebertie on 22-03-20, 04:59PM
Exactly we were going to bake off and I was told there was no job for me. Accepted a new role elsewhere and due to start 9th May. I was told my leaving date would be 2nd may and have been given a redundancy figure.
If you have a redundancy figure on paper, and a letter stating your end date, then I would think the status quo should remain. You may be asked to defer to a later date, to remain in your current position to support. Everything is up in the air as the situation changes on a daily basis.
Your new position may even go into lockdown, they may temporarily close operations, as a new employee would you be on a trial period there? Would you have the same income protection as you have now?
These are all considerations that, I personally, would be weighing up ??? I would play everything by ear, until nearer the time.
My head is set to go now after 18 years of loyalty. Luckily I'm in the position where I don't need to work so it was purely to give me structure to my day as i have generalised anxiety so lack of routine drives me mad. I have plans in place to use the redunancy money wisely and a new role with another supermarket as a skilled baker on the exact same hours its a 6 month probationary period but i just want to go now. I don't want to be used just because they're taking more money at the minute because that is effectively what they will do. I just hope they don't choose to extend it and if they do they give people the option. I spoke to my aunt this morning who is a lawyer for the government and she said until we get the official notice of redundancy letter (which is 2 weeks away) they can move it or cancel it as much as they want
If they want to delay it, then it should be for a minimum of 6 months and give people the option .
My store has said no delay to process and are doing the job matching this week
Edit* also we have one full time baker off in isolation for 12 weeks
I think it's an absolute disgrace the company haven't updated affected collegues by now, we have been going like the clappers all week, we've not sold out of bread/roll/hot-x all week Doing 50+ bags of production per day.
If they want to delay the process that's fine but it needs to be a minimum of 6 months and there needs to be an uncertainty 'stress compensation' package in place minimum 20% of last years earnings.
They are going to need our skill more than ever now. You can not replace that skill/experaince like you can other departments especially when under pressure.
They say that it's come from above that it continues as planned.
We work our rear ends off and even more so this last week as it didn't matter how much we produced it was all sold that day to then do this >:(
Surely the process can't be fair especially if any one has time off through no fault of their own due to isolation requirements
With all the uncertainty with jobs full stop now,what exactly are the twats in their ivory towers playing at.Stores are f***ed at the minute they've made out they give a s*** by recruiting and it sounds like you bakers have been the putting bread literally on peoples tables.Maybe the papers need telling this.Absolutely infuriating way to treat dedicated staff but let's face it they've done it plenty of times before.Disgusting way to treat people and the deafening silence from the union gets louder everyday.
Tell me about it. They said in Feb we were going to part bake, gave me a form with redundancy amount and proposed leaving date, said if I wanted to take that I don't need to fill in availability form. After 18 years service even though I knew it was coming I felt like someone had pulled the floor out. I went home chatted to hubby and felt better. I started looking for job and was offered one to start in May a week after I leave. This meant I could do something useful with payout and it wouldn't be wasted covering wages.
Now if they extend it yes I'll still get a payout at the end but I'll loose the job that I have got to walk into, it's all rumours that they're extending it but my boss keeps telling me they are and they shouldn't be allowed to mess with people's lives like that. They made a choice they shouldn't be allowed to change it just because they're taking more money.
We are only doing what’s on production so I have been told no hot cross and minimal roll waste on french yesterday was horrendous.
Just found out if you have had holidays since the 9th March you don't qualify for the 10% bonus. I'm sure I didnt read that in rhe email.
Tosco at its best.
Think they mean you won't get the bonus on your holiday hours, just the hours you've actually worked.
Quote from: Gymbunny on 23-03-20, 03:37PM
Just found out if you have had holidays since the 9th March you don't qualify for the 10% bonus. I'm sure I didn't read that in the email.
Got this wrong, just heard from my boss you do get the bonus but not for hols, which is OK.
My store manager had posted a message that made it sound like you got nothing. My mistake.
https://www.change.org/p/tesco-stop-tesco-reducing-the-hours-of-bakery-staff-until-this-pandemic-is-over/dashboard?source_location=user_profile_started
This was posted on our internal Tesco store Face Book page:
Dear Colleagues
As your aware that we will be in receipt of a 10% bonus on hours worked paid.Please see below when this will appear in your pay
When will the bonus be paid?
It will be paid in arrears and directly with your regular pay.
• Bonus for eligible earnings between 8 March and 4 April will be paid on 1 May 2020
• Bonus for eligible earnings between 5 April and 2 May will be paid on 29 May 2020
You must still be employed on the payment date (1 and/or 29 May 2020) to receive the bonus payment. If you leave Tesco for any reason before these dates you will not receive the payment.
I assume the bonus is happening in all stores. The bonus is in appreciation of hours worked during this Covid 19 outbreak. I think that this is wonderful, as we are essential workers.
However, I work in the bakery full time and I am about to be made redundant. My finish date is May 2. I am grateful to accept the appreciation bonus for the hours that I have worked March 8 through April 4.
I assume that I will NOT receive the bonus for any hours that I work between April 5 through May 2, as it clearly states that I must be employed on May 29 to receive it. I don't mean to be unappreciative but, if this is true, it is unfair. If I've worked the hours, I should receive the bonus.
you need to get your union rep to bring this up
Quote from: Eamecila on 05-04-20, 11:13AM
This was posted on our internal Tesco store Face Book page:
Dear Colleagues
As your aware that we will be in receipt of a 10% bonus on hours worked paid.Please see below when this will appear in your pay
When will the bonus be paid?
It will be paid in arrears and directly with your regular pay.
• Bonus for eligible earnings between 8 March and 4 April will be paid on 1 May 2020
• Bonus for eligible earnings between 5 April and 2 May will be paid on 29 May 2020
You must still be employed on the payment date (1 and/or 29 May 2020) to receive the bonus payment. If you leave Tesco for any reason before these dates you will not receive the payment.
I assume the bonus is happening in all stores. The bonus is in appreciation of hours worked during this Covid 19 outbreak. I think that this is wonderful, as we are essential workers.
However, I work in the bakery full time and I am about to be made redundant. My finish date is May 2. I am grateful to accept the appreciation bonus for the hours that I have worked March 8 through April 4.
I assume that I will NOT receive the bonus for any hours that I work between April 5 through May 2, as it clearly states that I must be employed on May 29 to receive it. I don't mean to be unappreciative but, if this is true, it is unfair. If I've worked the hours, I should receive the bonus.
to be honest I don't really care yes it's unfair but since social distancing came in working in the bakery has become simple and boring I'm looking forward to life outside Tesco rather than thinking about penny pinching from head office
I am unfortunately one of the "lucky" ones who get to stay, is anyone else's bakery looking fundamentally broken? lost 2/3 of staff, I am no mug. I know if they can't fill the t*rd hours from the pool of exiting staff, those hours will be lost.
I've asked the question how do we operate. To which there is no answer, why didn't it just go full bake off to start?
Ours is going from 4 full time skilled one part time skilled and a semi skilled to one full time skilled and two part time skilled plus however many un skilled the are hoping to get and retain I'm lucky to be out but would love to be a fly on the wall when the full time baker is on holiday
Full s*** in our store keeping it quite given letter sayin have job but not sure what times
Been skilled baker for 14 yrs onther Baker same but made redundancy
Can they even do that? Surely they should be informing you of the hours you're gonna be doing.
Got meeting this week so find out
Oh ok, I'm hoping to have a meeting this week but the majority of mangers are off sick at the moment so not sure it will happen, maybe by phone?
I've already been told they cant match my hours so we'll see what happens.
Had my 1st formal meeting told only jobs available were dot com driving ( not interested been a baker nearly all my working life ) gave me my redundancy info so I'm off on may 2nd couple of irons in the fire won't be out of work for long good luck to all those losing their jobs and good luck to those who keep theirs
Good luck 🍀oldman
Wish I was going, been job matched 🤨
Would of jumped on redundancy as got 18 years service
Out of 4 skilled bakers and 2 semi skilled, none have been job matched. Most staff got their redundancy package meeting yesterday.
We are keeping 4 skilled bakers shame I had 40 years with company would have retired early.A few packers at reduced hours.
Quote from: cheesy cob on 08-04-20, 04:19PM
Good luck 🍀oldman
Wish I was going, been job matched 🤨
Would of jumped on redundancy as got 18 years service
thanks CheesyCob I have done quite well 28 years service and get to keep my discount card for life best of luck to you mate
Not job matched. I'm the lucky one, the other 2 skilled bakers got to keep their jobs although one had a job lined up and wanted to go too.
They are doing every other Sunday as well and dropped to 34hrs each.
Just keeping one of our packers on less hrs and 2 temp part time packers shifts available.
Can see it closing totally or going bake off in the not too distant future.
Does anyone know if your premiums for 3.00am starts pay protected?? I've been job matched but going from 5 3.00am starts down to 2 with the rest later starts.
Yes protected for 2 years but no pay rises until eroded away so I was told.
With the way the NLW is raising, the protection pay policy needs a review, as things stand the protection pay will erode quite quickly.
Quote from: Gymbunny on 09-04-20, 02:08PM
Not job matched. I'm the lucky one, the other 2 skilled bakers got to keep their jobs although one had a job lined up and wanted to go too.
They are doing every other Sunday as well and dropped to 34hrs each.
Just keeping one of our packers on less hrs and 2 temp part time packers shifts available.
Can see it closing totally or going bake off in the not too distant future.
If they wanted to go why did they make themselves available for Sundays, different hours and a cut in hours? Didn't think that one through did they when doing their availability forms?
Quote from: Hammer10 on 09-04-20, 05:01PM
Yes protected for 2 years but no pay rises until eroded away so I was told.
I was told pay staying the same so no need for protecting my pay skilled and early starts just stays as is .if any change in skill or early start I see that as not a job match and I want
My redundancy
Quote from: BarryZola on 09-04-20, 06:26PM
If they wanted to go why did they make themselves available for Sundays, different hours and a cut in hours? Didn't think that one through did they when doing their availability forms?
Both said they hadn't put down a Sunday.
I just made sure I wasn't willing to change days or drop hrs.
8-) if they didn't put Sunday on their availability forms, then they weren't job matched...Sunday remains optional.
Just found out they did, no idea why they said they didn't. Suits me though.
All the bakers in my store have been made redundant! Leaving 2 packers who are part time. No idea what is going to happen. The packers haven't been told anything else yet. We are an extra with dot com, are we honestly going to have no bakery at all? Unless the bakery manager is going to do all the baking!
Quote from: cheesy cob on 09-04-20, 07:13PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 09-04-20, 05:01PM
Yes protected for 2 years but no pay rises until eroded away so I was told.
I was told pay staying the same so no need for protecting my pay skilled and early starts just stays as is .if any change in skill or early start I see that as not a job match and I want
My redundancy
Get that in writing...if they can't fill RHRP they may come and tweak straight after the redundancy date.
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-04-20, 04:01PM
Quote from: cheesy cob on 09-04-20, 07:13PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 09-04-20, 05:01PM
Yes protected for 2 years but no pay rises until eroded away so I was told.
I was told pay staying the same so no need for protecting my pay skilled and early starts just stays as is .if any change in skill or early start I see that as not a job match and I want
My redundancy
Get that in writing...if they can't fill RHRP they may come and tweak straight after the redundancy date.
What is RHRP
Right Hours Right Place
Afternoon guys I have just joined and I have to say its been a godsend having all this information to hand during the redundancy rounds, so would like to say thanks to all who have posted relevant important information. I will post the relevant info re our store and jobs later but as I have my second consultation on Thursday I need to know a possible answer if anyone can help? Ok if I trial a job for a month its only half the hours I currently have, will I stay on full money while trying out this new job? Basically its just a way of getting another month out of Tesco before taking redundancy!!
Thanks in advance
Any bake off stores being affected we are basically losing all our staff due hours being cut and a total lack of flexibility in the hours offered.Looks like it's just an excuse to get rid of more staff on old contracts.Bloody disgusting way to treat people yet again.😠
Quote from: Rainycalifornia on 14-04-20, 02:20PM
Afternoon guys I have just joined and I have to say its been a godsend having all this information to hand during the redundancy rounds, so would like to say thanks to all who have posted relevant important information. I will post the relevant info re our store and jobs later but as I have my second consultation on Thursday I need to know a possible answer if anyone can help? Ok if I trial a job for a month its only half the hours I currently have, will I stay on full money while trying out this new job? Basically its just a way of getting another month out of Tesco before taking redundancy!!
Thanks in advance
I'd be very careful with accepting the new terms, I'd advise you to look up eligibility of redundancy, accepting the new hours, even on a verbal agreement of a trial based period may legally flump your rights to it. Tescos managers are often under the illusion that by saving Tesco money, they'd curry favour with their bosses for promotion, plenty of managers at Tesco would do something so underhand.
Ok thanks , will see if I can get it in writing that if the new job doesn't fit I can still take redundancy. You are right tho, we had very little information for six weeks and altho our consultation manager has been great with us that means nothing when it comes to their own self promotion!!
Quote from: Rainycalifornia on 14-04-20, 04:25PM
Ok thanks , will see if I can get it in writing that if the new job doesn't fit I can still take redundancy. You are right tho, we had very little information for six weeks and altho our consultation manager has been great with us that means nothing when it comes to their own self promotion!!
you can still take redundancy , as long as you inform them before the trial period ends . do not wait untill the trial has finished as that will be taken as your taking the reduced hours
is anyone deferring redundancy till August 22nd
Quote from: Rainycalifornia on 14-04-20, 04:25PM
Ok thanks , will see if I can get it in writing that if the new job doesn't fit I can still take redundancy. You are right tho, we had very little information for six weeks and altho our consultation manager has been great with us that means nothing when it comes to their own self promotion!!
A written letter won't have any impact on the legal process, this is something you'll need to explore with a legal advisor, the CAB or ACAS may be able to offer guidance. The issue I can see is that by taking the trial, Tesco can say they tried to offer you a replacement role, which I'm pretty sure would disqualify you from your right to redundancy.
@ RainyCalifornia
In your next meeting, you will have it put in your meeting notes, that you wish to trial the role for the agreed four weeks. This is a usual practice in the redundancy procedure with Tesco. As already stated by another poster, you should give notice during the third week, if you don't intend to accept the role and wish to take redundancy. They should advise you of this during your consultation. You will be paid the part time hours you work, as you won't commence the trial period until after the stated redundancy date. Nice try though :thumbup:
In all consultations, you should be given a copy of the notes, and a union rep, or colleague companion should be arranged to attend, by the manager, if you have requested it. You can ask to speak to the manager, or pose questions, at any time between each consultation.
A note of caution to anyone considering deferring redundancy to August...if you are a colleague who likes to sail close to the wind, push your luck, throw a sickie or anything that could land you in the office during the time of deferment, they could try to manage you out of the business and you would lose your redundancy!
Quote from: lucgeo on 14-04-20, 06:07PM
@ RainyCalifornia
In your next meeting, you will have it put in your meeting notes, that you wish to trial the role for the agreed four weeks. This is a usual practice in the redundancy procedure with Tesco. As already stated by another poster, you should give notice during the third week, if you don't intend to accept the role and wish to take redundancy. They should advise you of this during your consultation. You will be paid the part time hours you work, as you won't commence the trial period until after the stated redundancy date. Nice try though :thumbup:
In all consultations, you should be given a copy of the notes, and a union rep, or colleague companion should be arranged to attend, by the manager, if you have requested it. You can ask to speak to the manager, or pose questions, at any time between each consultation.
A note of caution to anyone considering deferring redundancy to August...if you are a colleague who likes to sail close to the wind, push your luck, throw a sickie or anything that could land you in the office during the time of deferment, they could try to manage you out of the business and you would lose your redundancy!
had my redundancy print out and it says 12 weeks pay in lieu of notice , if i defer till August will this count as working my notice ?
I believe the PILON ( pay in lieu of notice) is in the original redundancy calculation forecast, which takes it up to the May leaving date, so if you chose to defer, you would continue in the agreed role, at the rate of pay, for the agreed time specified, and at the end receive the quoted redundancy figure. However this is only my interpretation, you could enquire to the manager dealing with the redundancy, for clarification.
There is a possibility that due to unseen circumstances, you may not be able to work the full term till August, but if it is not connected to any exceptional circumstances, such as illnes or such covered by the Covid-19, there could possibly be a case of an unfulfilled contract situation.
Pre- operation checks, turn on ovens and remove thaw and serve
Remove from freezer 1 rack of pastries and frozen rolls and bread
Bake 1st wave of pastries and frozen bread and rolls
Place frozen pastries that don't fit in oven back in freezer
Bake 2nd wave of frozen bread
Bake bloomer and tin
Tidy fixtures ,replenish shelves check for OOC and fetch more pastries
Bake scratch french
Bake remaining pastries
Label thaw and serve and display
Bake remaining scratch white bread
Pack french
Bake lg pies
Bake cookies
Pack Display french and core breads
Pack and display specificaty breads
Pack doughnuts
Begin to pack pastries priority on gaps
Wipe down prep area
Break time
Slice a variety of bread
Pack remaining french and pastries
Clean and tidy prep area
Tidy back area
Tidy and put away packaging delivery
Replenish isb fixtures including tubs
Pack pies
Tidy freezer
Complete 1st reductions
ARE WE SURE THIS 1ST BAKERS JOB IS FULL SKILLED MONEY
If it’s not why have I been job matched.
Also what if scratch bread not proved up due to no yeast or concentrate do they remake it or leave it ,they are on their own so must know what to do in the event of sickness .
Our store didnt even have an option to extend till August. It was kind of leave may 2nd or take a vacancy within the store.
It's strange cause literally all bakery staff are going so unless they start recruiting now I don't know what happens once everyone is gone. Our store is meant to be going half scratch as well.
They may be moving in others from other stores.
They shouldn't be transferring others into the store, without first offering deferment to the affected instore.
They cannot put someone into same job role/ hours for six months.
I personally would not take a deferment. The pandemic is still very much a major health threat, for every colleague turning in for work, and I would not consider the extra 3 months wage worthy of risking my health, when I could be out of possible contamination.
I appreciate, to some on full time, that the drop in income could be a deciding factor in wanting to stay because of financial situations. But I would weigh up the costs of travel etc. against the payout, plus the JSA of just under £300 per month for the next six months, and a chance of self isolating away from the front line would sway it for me.
Thanks for the advice guys and all set for my next meeting.
Is OT taken into consideration on the tesco part of your redundancy.
I asked at my meeting but she made it out like it wasn't. I thought it was an average of the last 12 wks pay. Am I right or wrong?
Not sure if she knows all the ins and outs of this redundancy malarkey
TIA.
On the letter with my redundancy figure it's down as weekly pay instead of last 12 weeks. I've done a bit of overtime for the last couple months as well so it would of benefited me but apparently they're just going by weekly pay at my store.
No of them do it all changed when they got rid of personnel managers I find it hard to believe you have 400 people working in one place and no one to talk to ,the truth being said you can’t talk to managers as they have no idea let alone how to do their jobs a few exceptions so don’t take offence those of you who do a good job you know who you are.
Quote from: Samuel137 on 16-04-20, 08:22AM
On the letter with my redundancy figure it's down as weekly pay instead of last 12 weeks. I've done a bit of overtime for the last couple months as well so it would of benefited me but apparently they're just going by weekly pay at my store.
Thanks for that. Tosco at its best, shafted again!!!
Quote from: Samuel137 on 16-04-20, 08:22AM
On the letter with my redundancy figure it's down as weekly pay instead of last 12 weeks. I've done a bit of overtime for the last couple months as well so it would of benefited me but apparently they're just going by weekly pay at my store.
Made redundant last May and payments was from the last twelve weeks . My final payment was up by a couple of grand because of it not sure if that’s how it’s being done now but good luck
Quote from: Fair play on 16-04-20, 10:25AM
Quote from: Samuel137 on 16-04-20, 08:22AM
On the letter with my redundancy figure it's down as weekly pay instead of last 12 weeks. I've done a bit of overtime for the last couple months as well so it would of benefited me but apparently they're just going by weekly pay at my store.
Made redundant last May and payments was from the last twelve weeks . My final payment was up by a couple of grand because of it not sure if that’s how it’s being done now but good luck
Keeping my fingers crossed.
Thank you.
I've got another 2 more meetings so I'll bring it up and see what they say.
So I had another meeting, I actually got a new letter with a new figure for my redundancy package. This time the last 12 weeks average weekly pay was filled which was a lot more than my basic weekly cause of overtime and they go on the larger amount so I'll be getting 2k more than what I would be if they went on my basic weekly.
Quote from: Samuel137 on 18-04-20, 04:08AM
So I had another meeting, I actually got a new letter with a new figure for my redundancy package. This time the last 12 weeks average weekly pay was filled which was a lot more than my basic weekly cause of overtime and they go on the larger amount so I'll be getting 2k more than what I would be if they went on my basic weekly.
make sure you take your personal day before you leave as they don't pay that if you have taken it , but the can't stop you taking it, i'm on mine today
Oh nice, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info :thumbup:
Quote from: kateluff on 18-04-20, 12:24PM
Quote from: Samuel137 on 18-04-20, 04:08AM
So I had another meeting, I actually got a new letter with a new figure for my redundancy package. This time the last 12 weeks average weekly pay was filled which was a lot more than my basic weekly cause of overtime and they go on the larger amount so I'll be getting 2k more than what I would be if they went on my basic weekly.
make sure you take your personal day before you leave as they don't pay that if you have taken it , but the can't stop you taking it, i'm on mine today
I will need to ask about a re- adjusted redundancy figure then.
If you've done overtime this year then you should for sure, how many meetings have you had? It was something I was gonna ask in my 2nd meeting but I was given a letter with a new figure automatically at the start of the meeting with the new figure.
I got told you don’t get personal day till after September
This was raised in the redundancies last May...some were taking it paid,( I did) but others were being told that it was part of the holiday pay procedures, and would not be paid if you left the company before the October...if I recall correctly there is a paragraph covering this in the policies for people holiday pay section online? I'm unable to access it anymore, so can't clarify it as fact ???
I have quickly scrolled back on the posts relating to this last year....but VLH suffered a blip earlier this year, and a lot of posts are now blank.
Quote from: Samuel137 on 18-04-20, 02:30PM
If you've done overtime this year then you should for sure, how many meetings have you had? It was something I was gonna ask in my 2nd meeting but I was given a letter with a new figure automatically at the start of the meeting with the new figure.
I have had my 2nd meeting. Never given a new redundancy figure. I have been doing 3 out of 4 Sundays all year, and also working day off to cover holidays and sickness.
Some lost posts resurrected in this topic.
http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16644.msg217843#msg217843 (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16644.msg217843#msg217843)
Quote from: Gymbunny on 18-04-20, 06:43PM
Quote from: Samuel137 on 18-04-20, 02:30PM
If you've done overtime this year then you should for sure, how many meetings have you had? It was something I was gonna ask in my 2nd meeting but I was given a letter with a new figure automatically at the start of the meeting with the new figure.
I have had my 2nd meeting. Never given a new redundancy figure. I have been doing 3 out of 4 Sundays all year, and also working day off to cover holidays and sickness.
I requested my new figure, 12 week average at my first meeting, got it on friday, i did a lot of overtime as soon as i heard we were getting made redundant, my new figure is £9k higher
Quote from: lucgeo on 18-04-20, 02:44PM
This was raised in the redundancies last May...some were taking it paid,( I did) but others were being told that it was part of the holiday pay procedures, and would not be paid if you left the company before the October...if I recall correctly there is a paragraph covering this in the policies for people holiday pay section online? I'm unable to access it anymore, so can't clarify it as fact ???
I have quickly scrolled back on the posts relating to this last year....but VLH suffered a blip earlier this year, and a lot of posts are now blank.
It says if you don’t complete 6 months of the new holiday year and take a personal day it will be deducted off your pay when you leave, just read it on OurTesco. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Wow 9k extra, I wish I done a lot more sundays now lol
@gymbunny did you ask them about it in your meeting? Definitely bring it up if you didnt if you've 3/4 sundays a month for sure.
I will pull her aside the next time I see her.
Thanks all.
Finished on may 2nd(compulsory redundant, didn't want to go) 1st time back in store today. Bakery in total disarray despite being half the size. Packer who was left to soldier on by himself (poor sole) lasted 3 days before walking out. The staff filling in now under increasing pressure and not coping well. Before we were sent on our way we said bakery probably being sacrificed. Looks like we were right. Feel sorry the lads out of work now. Hopefully we find something soon. Last dig at drastic Dave before I go. Hope karma sneaks up and bites you in the arse you snake.
I also left may 2nd, they wouldn't offer suitable hours and refused to budge even by a little bit so took redundancy in the end.
I went to the store last week and they are struggling, had bakers from other stores going in to help. I saw my old boss and hes saying now that the store manager is saying in hindsight he should of maybe done more to try and keep some bakers, literally the whole department left and took redundancy.
Well I have a funny long story, that I'll try to keep short.
So 3/4 of our bakery got the push. I wanted to go but was retained.
When we were first told, I got out and found a new job. They were happy to wait, (I'll leave that bit there for now)
Fast forward to day one, place was broken 3 staff left. Someone came up with the idea to back fill the hole with temps and deli staff. SD came for a visit and lost it.. Place was empty and lights off. End result management was told to fix it.
A job got offered to a Asda Baker, who rejected it based on lower pay. :D
Fast forward to now, lock down put the job offer on hold. We'll that has now been offered and I'm off. So now 2 pt bakers left. Best bit, managers rather than be happy to see staff moving on. It's easier just to ignore them, it's like I'm invisible.
I don't fully understand the logic behind this bakery cull. Cost is one thing but, the execution is very poor to say the least. I hope those affected find jobs, I feel for those who are staying. I feel like it's a bomb waiting to implode. I'd rather go at my choice not theirs.
I don't get why the SD would lose it, the decision to restructure the bakery came from Head Office levels, long servers would obviously jump at the chance of redundancy and part timers would look for a job elsewhere, they can't expect that there would be loyalty from front line staff if they keep swinging the axe as they are doing and paying less than competitors, it was always going to be a mass exodus, only those new to the company or those who need it would take internal redeployment.
I get toeing the company line but even to the everyday common man, the SD losing it is transparant Tesco politics all over, a competent SD would look at the underlying problem, staff morale, retention and compensation.
Night and day, I understand where you are coming from. However our sd is one of those types, you must have met one?
The undying issue is really poor managers not willing to challenge poor decisions, at no point did anyone say "erm, that's not right surely?". They just carried on, thinking oh well iam safe.
Because SDs are morons, who have no clear idea what its like to work in a supermarket. Back in march at the start of Coronavirus the SD visited the store and was going nuts at the duty manager on why the shelves where empty even though Tesco where pumping in extra stock it was all through the back, reason was there's no night shift to work stock, since Tesco have for years f***ed over nights. SDs and head office think stock magically appears on the shelves
A few weeks have gone by with new set up and it's a bit of mess, we are down about 3/4 staff and basically doing the same workload as before. Everybody is rushed off their feet and the place is untidy.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 23-05-20, 12:42AM
I don't get why the SD would lose it, the decision to restructure the bakery came from Head Office levels, long servers would obviously jump at the chance of redundancy and part timers would look for a job elsewhere, they can't expect that there would be loyalty from front line staff if they keep swinging the axe as they are doing and paying less than competitors, it was always going to be a mass exodus, only those new to the company or those who need it would take internal redeployment.
I get toeing the company line but even to the everyday common man, the SD losing it is transparant Tesco politics all over, a competent SD would look at the underlying problem, staff morale, retention and compensation.
To get on in Tesco management you have to have three human traits....narcissism, greed and dishonesty.
Every new initiative from the top will be passed down and delegated to each management lower rung, with an instruction of " sort it!" None have the philosophy of the "buck stops here" They care little of how it's "sorted" but the unwritten understanding will be to get the results with the least amount of redundancies, be that by lying, ruthless bullying or managing out of the business prior to payouts!
If it hasn't gone as planned, then the tier system is again in evidence with who's to blame, as each one of them have their eyes firmly focused on their annual bonuses, and the new company car update! Every SD knows that when they make an ' unannounced ' visit, the store will be operating at 110%, there will be an abundance of staff, and only need chat to the chosen few! They know, because they've done it themselves, unless they're graduates, then they are so gullible to believe the facade presented. The last thing SD's want is a store not functioning or numerous customer complaints...so they arrive, all spruced up, kick s***, take fully laid on refreshments, then swan out after an hour, job done!!
Next day, overtime ban announced for the next few weeks as over budget for yesterday's show...SM shouting and bullying, Senior team got their line managers running round like headless chickens, shopfloor atmosphere toxic, and CA's getting it in the neck from every angle. Oh! nostalgia there from those happy days, I do miss it!! :-X :D
Quote from: lucgeo on 23-05-20, 09:38AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 23-05-20, 12:42AM
I don't get why the SD would lose it, the decision to restructure the bakery came from Head Office levels, long servers would obviously jump at the chance of redundancy and part timers would look for a job elsewhere, they can't expect that there would be loyalty from front line staff if they keep swinging the axe as they are doing and paying less than competitors, it was always going to be a mass exodus, only those new to the company or those who need it would take internal redeployment.
I get toeing the company line but even to the everyday common man, the SD losing it is transparant Tesco politics all over, a competent SD would look at the underlying problem, staff morale, retention and compensation.
To get on in Tesco management you have to have three human traits....narcissism, greed and dishonesty.
Every new initiative from the top will be passed down and delegated to each management lower rung, with an instruction of " sort it!" None have the philosophy of the "buck stops here" They care little of how it's "sorted" but the unwritten understanding will be to get the results with the least amount of redundancies, be that by lying, ruthless bullying or managing out of the business prior to payouts!
If it hasn't gone as planned, then the tier system is again in evidence with who's to blame, as each one of them have their eyes firmly focused on their annual bonuses, and the new company car update! Every SD knows that when they make an ' unannounced ' visit, the store will be operating at 110%, there will be an abundance of staff, and only need chat to the chosen few! They know, because they've done it themselves, unless they're graduates, then they are so gullible to believe the facade presented. The last thing SD's want is a store not functioning or numerous customer complaints...so they arrive, all spruced up, kick s***, take fully laid on refreshments, then swan out after an hour, job done!!
Next day, overtime ban announced for the next few weeks as over budget for yesterday's show...SM shouting and bullying, Senior team got their line managers running round like headless chickens, shopfloor atmosphere toxic, and CA's getting it in the neck from every angle. Oh! nostalgia there from those happy days, I do miss it!! :-X :D
:D :D :D :thumbup:
Sd,s all over the company are prat’s they only turn up when the s*** is hitting the fan if an sd had any brain which they don’t share even a brain cell between themselves they should do like we are told take a step back look at the bigger picture and see that staff have left we have a virus going on and instead of telling managers to fix it work with them to solve the problem ,but that’s work and they don’t like doing that.
Some minor changes have been happening around confectionery bakery items. Apparently more stuff is changing supplier and going in paper bags. Does anyone know if this is all confec or just some lines and will this affect heatmap hours? Apparently this is all now live in Scotland stores.
Any info appreciated :)
It's only a few pastries still got to be baked and packed I think it's so we cut back on plastic packaging.