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Tosco19

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #125 on: 03-03-21, 03:18PM »
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

Hi Tosco91,

I’m currently in a picker manager role with 2 other managers in Dotcom, when you say Dotcom is excluded from this, do you mean it’s excluded from the structure change or excluded from the equal headcount?

Thanks

Dot com is excluded from the equal head count - you’ll have your share of dot com colleagues (eg 100 colleagues and 2 dot com managers - 50 colleagues each)

Reading the role pack today the dot com fulfilment shift leaders are taking on a lot more (RTW meetings, note taking, duty cover, etc etc,) and it leaves less for the managers to do so they can concentrate fully on reviews and people management

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #126 on: 03-03-21, 03:21PM »
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #127 on: 03-03-21, 03:32PM »
What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Tosco19

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #128 on: 03-03-21, 03:35PM »
What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Roughly 250.

This would vary by store and would very much depend on your current number of managers (if you would hit this new structure now or after managers leave naturally) since shift leaders don’t have any head count - just the managers

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #129 on: 03-03-21, 06:18PM »
Has anyone been told the number of “fulfilment support” jobs your store has been allocated.
If so in regards to picker and driver team support what’s the difference in numbers?
My store for instance has 3 picker TL and 2 driver TL currently.
We are thinking we may only have 4 fulfilment positions so one of us will lose out

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #130 on: 03-03-21, 06:31PM »
Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM’s and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #131 on: 03-03-21, 06:38PM »
Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM’s and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

What did you have previous though?

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #132 on: 03-03-21, 06:41PM »
Does anyone have anymore information on the Service Team Support Role

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #133 on: 03-03-21, 06:46PM »
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

Does this mean that lead team are going?

Tosco19

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #134 on: 03-03-21, 07:15PM »
Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM’s though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won’t be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It’s a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won’t see the impact of these changes (at least for TM’s and LTeam) for many years to come.
« Last Edit: 03-03-21, 07:33PM by Nomad »

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #135 on: 03-03-21, 08:02PM »
Yes very odd way as costs which is generally the reason why these happen won’t really be impacted for some time.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #136 on: 03-03-21, 08:08PM »
And by the time we do start to feel the impacts of these changes there’ll either be no one on the shop floor left to manage so no doubt they’ll decide to scrap shift leaders etc and bring back managers  :D.

It is a strange one given there is a LM vacancy on TC in Slough…

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #137 on: 03-03-21, 09:28PM »
looks like its a very similar set up to how Express is being run.

The Shift leaders do the donkeys work and run the shopfloor/dept and are first point of contact for colleagues while the managers are essentially business/people managers.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #138 on: 03-03-21, 09:49PM »
How does this all affect people on placements

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #139 on: 03-03-21, 09:54PM »
These are on Our Tesco

Job Role for Service Team Support
« Last Edit: 03-03-21, 09:57PM by Rumblerumble »

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #140 on: 03-03-21, 09:58PM »
Also on Our Tesco

Service Team Support
« Last Edit: 03-03-21, 09:59PM by Rumblerumble »

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #141 on: 03-03-21, 10:00PM »
They haven’t updated Colleague Help yet but suspect the Shift Leader role pack for Metro stores will be Verbatim for Superstores and Extras when they get around to it.

As for anyone who’s on a placement? Good question… suspect they’ll be told to accept any Shift Leader vacancies that may arise or tough!

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #142 on: 03-03-21, 10:26PM »
So guess they will be told just to return to old job as I can’t see them recruiting many shift leaders or service team supports if they are not offering redundancy to the managers.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #143 on: 03-03-21, 10:38PM »
More than likely, yes.

And given the current climate, and job market, they've got some of them right where they want them because they know full well people have commitments and can't afford to be unemployed right now.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #144 on: 04-03-21, 07:10AM »
In many stores this will take years to land. Not only will things changes in your own store when someone leaves or retires it will change for the group. When any shift lead or manager jobs come up it will be open to all to apply. Some managers may opt to step down into a shift lead role but I suspect not many.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #145 on: 04-03-21, 08:10AM »
give it 5 years and the structure will probably all change again when someone else comes up with a brainwave

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #146 on: 04-03-21, 09:15AM »
Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM’s though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won’t be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It’s a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won’t see the impact of these changes (at least for TM’s and LTeam) for many years to come.

Wait until it becomes financially valid then redundancies will happen.

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #147 on: 04-03-21, 09:33AM »
Kaled,

They’ll probably say Shift Leaders aren’t working and bring back Team Managers instead  :D

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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #148 on: 04-03-21, 09:34AM »
Marginally better than a corporate rebranding which changes the company colours from blue and yellow to red and green then a few years later changes them back to blue and yellow with a healthy whack for the consultants used each time.  As happened to the company I used to work for.
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Re: Will Tesco follow Asda.....
« Reply #149 on: 05-03-21, 06:50PM »
The difference is between superstores and ‘large’ stores. Superstores are losing the checkout team supports

And too many managers so no shift leader position to apply for either