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Re: job cuts?
« Reply #50 on: 25-01-21, 08:13PM »
Dead weight managers?
OK.
I could say the same for a lot of the GAs; particularly more noticeable in Extra stores.


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Re: job cuts?
« Reply #51 on: 26-01-21, 10:50AM »
Is it not the business plan/launch soon? Imagine that will shed some light

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« Reply #52 on: 26-01-21, 02:20PM »
Changes happening soon. Please look at how morrisons did the changes, thats whats coming for mgrs. All mgrs need to apply for the jobs or take redundancy or step down to a team leader role. The job role will change to include more hours and flexibility around shifts especially sundays. And yes slightly less pay. If you are closed at night now bye bye to a mgr. What better time to do it. Covid has helped them. Most mgrs will struggle to gets jobs elsewhere and so will step down to team leader. Mgr positions based on head count. So fresh will go down to 1 mgr and front end to 1.5 mgrs in extras. One last thing with is only for store mgrs bonus.

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« Reply #53 on: 26-01-21, 02:26PM »
Sorry meant to say . Every voice matters is part if the SM bonus, about 10%  hence why they are always on it.

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« Reply #54 on: 26-01-21, 03:09PM »
You actually know this or an educated  guess?

5fdp

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« Reply #55 on: 26-01-21, 03:18PM »
The union always get prior warning of what's coming. Don't worry though, somebody still has to manage things, the company isn't stupid, its only getting rid of jobs that are no longer fit for purpose.  Relax and wait for the next couple of weeks to fly by. PS  don't go buying a car now!

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« Reply #56 on: 26-01-21, 03:20PM »
😂😂😂😂

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« Reply #57 on: 26-01-21, 03:27PM »
“Job cuts”

Hardly a new normal

Nighthawk

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« Reply #58 on: 26-01-21, 07:35PM »
Definitely happening, the unions are fully aware of what's happening, exactly what's happening with scottish gas at the moment, watch this space, consultations start early February.

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« Reply #59 on: 26-01-21, 10:30PM »
anyone know anything about a front end restructure? we are expecting a refit soon and rumour has it we are losing some checkouts

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« Reply #60 on: 26-01-21, 10:56PM »
We underwent a refit in 2020 and lost our basket tills-just hazarding a guess and suspect it'll be the same in your store too.

Who knows what's around the corner? Whatever happens, at this rate, there'll be no one on the shop floor left to axe!

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« Reply #61 on: 27-01-21, 06:37AM »
Hi we have people on holiday next week and there is no overtime to cover the holidays!!! One person to do whole section and pre sort !!! For the foreseeable future,
Our manager was told that they're trying to claw money back before the end of year results and days should be picking up what we leave , never known things to be this bad.
« Last Edit: 27-01-21, 11:47AM by Nomad »

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« Reply #62 on: 27-01-21, 08:39AM »
Changes happening soon. Please look at how morrisons did the changes, thats whats coming for mgrs. All mgrs need to apply for the jobs or take redundancy or step down to a team leader role. The job role will change to include more hours and flexibility around shifts especially sundays. And yes slightly less pay. If you are closed at night now bye bye to a mgr. What better time to do it. Covid has helped them. Most mgrs will struggle to gets jobs elsewhere and so will step down to team leader. Mgr positions based on head count. So fresh will go down to 1 mgr and front end to 1.5 mgrs in extras. One last thing with is only for store mgrs bonus.

Firstly, the team support role is not going to be added to.The shift leader role that is in the small store format will come to the large store format at some point. It probably would have done by now if it was not for covid.
Secondly, as I have nearly 30 years with the company this is nothing new. A shake up and managers needing reapply for jobs used to happen every six years or so. I have seen it when managers were called controllers, then again when they were called section managers and agin when they were called line managers.
This is nothing new, no great surprise. Everybody knows it's coming but we don't know when. A shake up has already happened in the checkout/services area. The role has already been expanded, so this is out of date news. It has been by soft structure and most stores recognise it as a huge role for one manager as it gives an average of 50% of the store reporting to one manager in the stores without dot.com. The front end checkout and services combined role now has checkouts, PFS, cash office, CSD, trolleys all reporting to one manager. That manager continues to do duty shifts, opens and closes the store etc. The part time manager role that was services who had cash office, CSD, trolleys and PFS has been removed and all gone to exisiting checkout manager who was already full time.

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« Reply #63 on: 27-01-21, 09:15AM »
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?

rogerthedodger

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« Reply #64 on: 27-01-21, 05:23PM »
No news ???

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« Reply #65 on: 27-01-21, 07:53PM »
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?

Shift Leaders are closer to Team Managers than team support, team support is a bit redundant to be honest, overpaid non-managers.

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« Reply #66 on: 28-01-21, 03:25AM »
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?

Who knows, they did not retain any in small format stores. All changed to shift leaders but they wear headsets and work on shop floor so nobody running checkouts. Not sure how this would work in larger formats. There is more to be done but there are times when the team support seem to have nothing else to do but wait to be called and watch for queues at the tills. It changes so quickly though, it can go from idle tills to queues almost in a blink of an eye. They are paid more for the tablet work, for covering shifts, doing exceptions etc. Not just looking after the back of checkouts. It has not been rolled out in large store format so who knows. We will have to wait and see. There was a point in time when no team leader jobs were being filled if someone left, no idea if that is still the case.

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« Reply #67 on: 28-01-21, 12:45PM »
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?

Who knows, they did not retain any in small format stores. All changed to shift leaders but they wear headsets and work on shop floor so nobody running checkouts. Not sure how this would work in larger formats. There is more to be done but there are times when the team support seem to have nothing else to do but wait to be called and watch for queues at the tills. It changes so quickly though, it can go from idle tills to queues almost in a blink of an eye. They are paid more for the tablet work, for covering shifts, doing exceptions etc. Not just looking after the back of checkouts. It has not been rolled out in large store format so who knows. We will have to wait and see. There was a point in time when no team leader jobs were being filled if someone left, no idea if that is still the case.

Presumably the utilisation of team support etc depends on the size of store but also organisation of tasks... eg in my store (extra) if it is 'quiet' they will be sorting out putbacks or filling/clearing shelf ends near the checkouts or the stacks by the entrance (same for any surplus checkout staff if quiet).

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« Reply #68 on: 28-01-21, 01:04PM »
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.

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« Reply #69 on: 28-01-21, 06:30PM »
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.

Team Support were created as part of the 2015 Manager/Team Leader restructure, and were only given to Checkouts and Dot Com.
They were given less responsibility than the Team Leader role they replaced, mainly now they cannot do RTW, but stayed on the same pay.
Shift Leaders were created after this in Expresses and for some unknown reason paid exactly the same as Checkout Team Support, but less than Dot Com Driver Team Support in most cases, even though they are accountable for far more, and are in effect lower management.

Before Team Leaders then Team Support on Checkouts you used to have Runners, however they had nowhere near the accountabilities of Team Leaders or Team Support.

Now I’m not saying they could not be replaced with just experienced CA’s, however that would create more workload for the Checkout Manager who already has more to do than any other Team Manager instore, and would make an already difficult position to fill nearly impossible.

At some point a Manager restructure is coming, whether it’s a soft structure change as has been happening over the past few years, one similar to the 2015 restructure or a full on one similar to the 2005 Line Manger restructure is still to be made public if it’s even been decided yet, as is when this is going to happen, whether this year or in the next few!


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Re: job cuts?
« Reply #70 on: 29-01-21, 03:17AM »
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.

They primarily responsible for delivering service. They are junior managers. Not a full list of jobs but enough to get the idea.
They work out checkout rota. Manager books overtime on the tablet but TS do the flexi sheets. They do exceptions, report issues with tills, do change run and run the back of checkouts day to day. They also deliver the training, dept and refresher. Now service manager role has been removed they also maintain other areas like ensuring FPS and CSD get breaks.
Change run is now done by a single person due to COVID, unlikely to change back after now.
A small part of the job is fetching broken eggs for customers waiting at a till. They check prices when questioned etc.
Delivering wait time or IDQ depending on the measure that has been applied to store, no easy task either way.

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« Reply #71 on: 29-01-21, 09:18AM »
So basically the same as shift leaders then without running duty, it sounds like there's too much overlap between the roles.

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« Reply #72 on: 29-01-21, 06:28PM »
Conference call with all SMs across the business on Monday both large and express format. Back to back calls that morning. So something big will be announced.



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« Reply #73 on: 29-01-21, 06:52PM »
That will be the Yearly and Q1 business plan, which will be very short on details if any are announced for structure changes.

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« Reply #74 on: 29-01-21, 08:32PM »
Not entirely sure how they can cut back express anymore, the only 3 ways that come to mind is getting rid of security guards. Reducing ca numbers and opening hours or reducing the amount of SMs and making existing ones "cluster Store Managers". All of which is ill advised, it's all bare bones as it can be without effecting profitability.
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