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bobbyfett

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Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« on: 27-06-18, 07:33PM »
Hi there, I have a disciplinary meeting at the end of next week with two section / department managers, it is for gross misconduct, first offence and with no warnings etc previously on my record.

I am worried obviously that I could be dismissed, but I have been told that only the store manager can oversee dismissals, is this correct ?

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #1 on: 27-06-18, 07:35PM »
It used to be but I think if trained senior team can dismiss.


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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #2 on: 27-06-18, 07:40PM »
New process for G&D, as long as the managers are trained to Lvl 3 G&D, then seniority no longer applies to dismissal cases!

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #3 on: 27-06-18, 07:41PM »
Thanks for the info  :thumbup:

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #4 on: 27-06-18, 07:43PM »
Clearly there needs to be a thorough investigation carried out, fit and prope notes recorded and a non bias towards the individual or claims made; it should be an impartial review and a decision reached purely on the facts presented.

I wish you well.

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #5 on: 27-06-18, 07:50PM »
It used to be but I think if trained senior team can dismiss.

Can 2 senior team dismiss a SM ? or is it that only someone that is Higher than you that can  do a dismissal ?

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #6 on: 27-06-18, 07:56PM »
Once you’ve done level 3 training you can dismiss as high as sd but I’d be surprised if they let them

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #7 on: 27-06-18, 08:10PM »

I would not just find it a surprise I would find it Amazing if that was to happen ,

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #8 on: 27-06-18, 08:15PM »

I would not just find it a surprise I would find it Amazing if that was to happen ,

Why would that be notsofunny ??

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #9 on: 27-06-18, 08:31PM »


Can you honestly see 2 team being allowed to investigate and dismiss a SM from the same store ? or Even from another store ?

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #10 on: 27-06-18, 08:41PM »
I would like to see a trained Lead or TM dismiss a GA. The SM would have to be sniffing glue to allow it.

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #11 on: 27-06-18, 08:57PM »
I would like to see a trained Lead or TM dismiss a GA. The SM would have to be sniffing glue to allow it.

So those who are saying that if they are now level 3 trained they can dismiss , they cant then ?

Would you be worried if you were facing gross misconduct and two section managers were hearing it ?

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #12 on: 27-06-18, 09:06PM »
I am aware policy allows those trained to a certain level to dismiss. I have yet to see it happen. I know the SM in my place wouldn’t trust TMs and Leads to do so. He would never be done reinstating people. Amazing what you hear 1 to 1. Wouldn’t be worried.  :)

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #13 on: 27-06-18, 09:09PM »
I am aware policy allows those trained to a certain level to dismiss. I have yet to see it happen. I know the SM in my place wouldn’t trust TMs and Leads to do so. He would never be done reinstating people. Amazing what you hear 1 to 1. Wouldn’t be worried.  :)

I guess even tho it states i am facing gross misconduct .... there are levels OF gross misconduct and i am hoping if they decide to discipline then at worst it goes to final written warning ! ....

Damn forgot to add i am innocent lol

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #14 on: 27-06-18, 09:45PM »
I would like to see a trained Lead or TM dismiss a GA. The SM would have to be sniffing glue to allow it.

So those who are saying that if they are now level 3 trained they can dismiss , they cant then ?

Would you be worried if you were facing gross misconduct and two section managers were hearing it ?

why are you so worried about who it will be that hear your case , think more about what they have told you ,asked you , and what you will be doing to protect your self , have you arranged for someone to be with you is the first step ?

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #15 on: 27-06-18, 09:55PM »
Can't really go into detail, but bottom line is I'm being accused of clocking someone out a few times , ( I haven't )


So if they don't believe my version of events, hoping I'm not dismissed,

And yes I will get a union rep in with me ;)
« Last Edit: 27-06-18, 10:01PM by bobbyfett »

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #16 on: 28-06-18, 07:41AM »
They can always escalate to another disciplinary meeting at the next level, only aware of lead team being  trained to level 3 g&d  at the moment in my area and then only very experienced orcapable people. Concentrate on how to prove your case.

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #17 on: 28-06-18, 08:16AM »
Surely the level of the person holding the meeting matters less than if they have gone through the correct training.

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #18 on: 28-06-18, 09:50AM »
More time being wasted when there is no concrete evidence.

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #19 on: 28-06-18, 10:33AM »
bobbyfett has created a new topic on the issue of clocking someone in/out, please discuss that point in there.

http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16583.msg215764#msg215764
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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #20 on: 28-06-18, 05:04PM »
In my experience, it has to be something really bad - theft, assault etc - for the SM to dismiss someone over. Tesco prefers to avoid terminating contracts if at all possible. Because there's always the chance the person being dismissed will not go quietly and lodge an appeal, which means the SD has to get involved - and SD's are not fond of anything that involves work - or even take legal action.

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #21 on: 28-06-18, 05:29PM »
Doesn’t have to be an SD to hear the appeal anymore, just a person who’s had the correct level of the new disciplinary and grievance training

bobbyfett

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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #22 on: 29-06-18, 01:13PM »
In my experience, it has to be something really bad - theft, assault etc - for the SM to dismiss someone over. Tesco prefers to avoid terminating contracts if at all possible. Because there's always the chance the person being dismissed will not go quietly and lodge an appeal, which means the SD has to get involved - and SD's are not fond of anything that involves work - or even take legal action.

So the alleged offence of clocking someone out a few times or so , even if classed as gross misconduct , might not result in dismissal ?


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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #23 on: 29-06-18, 02:04PM »
Might, if, maybe and possibly, are some of the many words that mean very little and tell you nothing.
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Re: Who has the authority to dismiss ?
« Reply #24 on: 29-06-18, 04:31PM »
Yeah good points lol