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Title: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Vinny1985 on 17-02-21, 11:32PM
Hi I was just told today we need to put every holiday in today. I asked if I could keep some back. I was told no. I thought you had to put in a percentage. I don't know if I need odd day off for things what come up. I normally keep a few days back. We were told it had something to do with pay roll.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 18-02-21, 06:43AM
If you are talking about the 2021-2022 holidays the booking window has been open since 1st April 2020. If you want to keep a few days back book the end of March and then ask to move them if needed. Come the 1st April the next holiday window opens.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 18-02-21, 11:39AM
If it's something to do with Pay Roll I suspect your store might be moving to Work & Pay very soon.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: helpme on 18-02-21, 05:07PM
Policy is 75% has to be booked now and the remaining days by the end of September.

https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001330786-Holiday-for-colleagues-on-the-Work-Pay-Payroll-System-Full-Policy-and-Supporting-Documents
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Vinny1985 on 18-02-21, 06:45PM
Yes it was for 2021 2022. I got all mine in apart from 5 days. A week. But been told that's needs to go in also.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 19-02-21, 05:18AM
There is a lot of work to be done getting ready for work & pay. Stores are being flagged for “data cleanse” issues. Lots of things need sorting, not just holidays. Huge bit of work to be done. It has launched to salaried and some trial stores but due to go live to all this year. Date has moved so could move again but last I heard it was October. I think your store is just trying to get things right before launch. Holiday booking will be via the app eventually but probably not at launch so I think they are just wanting holidays into the system to ease transition to the new system. Holiday will then be booked by the hour so they need to be in system with shifts and not whole days. Depending on the size of the store it is a lot of people to check.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 19-02-21, 08:04AM
It says you should but its not mandatory to book all holidays... You don't even have to book 75%... As stated before your manager should sit down with you ideally feb/March to book some but you don't have to book any, and then again October, November time and then in December they allocate any remaining holiday you have left up till April if you haven't booked it yet....
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Biscuit tin on 19-02-21, 09:25AM
Be so good to finally be able to book your own holidays online. No more holiday book that mysteriously goes missing and comes back with dates added by staff who leave things to the last minute.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-21, 12:22PM
Your manager still has to authorise your holidays even though they will be online, so there will still be the holiday book that mysteriously disappears.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 19-02-21, 02:50PM
I hope that once on line the holiday system automatically saves date & time of request and of authorisation or refusal by MM, and that they (date/time) cannot be changed by any person.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: grim up north on 19-02-21, 03:28PM
It will be open to fiddle, like everything else
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-21, 05:00PM
@Nomad
It Informs the colleague when it’s been accepted, however it can still be cancelled/changed by their manager or wages clerk.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 19-02-21, 05:32PM
So I could request holiday date(s) get it authorised by MM, make my holiday arrangements and then MM could go into the system and change or cancel the booking ?

Sounds great   :(
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: lackofinterest on 19-02-21, 05:42PM
sounds like an absolute load of testes to me. for the benefit of the company only.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Cairney39 on 19-02-21, 06:08PM
If you are talking about the Work and Pay system, any holidays authorised on it and then removed are marked as “withdrawn”
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-21, 06:56PM
To be honest if your store is already on work and pay managers can cancel holidays already, however like Cairney has said, it will show as withdrawn.
I’ll also be honest there’s nothing to stop managers doing it in Hram currently if they have a login/password.
At least with work & pay there’s evidence of them doing it.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 19-02-21, 08:03PM
Is there a time limit after which authorisation cannot be 'withdrawn' ?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 19-02-21, 10:39PM
No, you can withdraw it at any point.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: gomezz on 19-02-21, 11:41PM
I can see the technical need for it to be able to be withdrawn at any point.  After all it may be the employee's circumstances that change (other half cannot get the time off where they work for example).  But has the policy changed?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: helpme on 20-02-21, 12:04AM
Law still applies, double the days booked for notice  to cancel.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 20-02-21, 10:20AM
Quote from: Morris999 on 19-02-21, 06:56PM
To be honest if your store is already on work and pay managers can cancel holidays already, however like Cairney has said, it will show as withdrawn.
I’ll also be honest there’s nothing to stop managers doing it in Hram currently if they have a login/password.
At least with work & pay there’s evidence of them doing it.


I was concerned about any time limit in which MM could withdraw/cancel authorisation ?

If it is at any time then that is so wrong, and naughty.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 20-02-21, 11:55AM
Why?
Are you saying that after a certain amount of time, that a colleague cannot change a booked date off?
I’ll be honest it seems that your just looking for issues with the new system for the sake of it.
Managers being able to cancel holidays on work and pay is no different to hram, only difference is there is now evidence of them doing it and more importantly when.
I’ll also be honest and say yes there are a few managers that will use flaws in a system to their advantage over colleagues, however that is also true of colleagues.
This new system is more open and more importantly there’s a electronic paper trail of everything a Manager or colleague does.


What’s the alternative
Stick with Hram and have the same threads every month regarding holidays and managers or maybe go fully electronic for holiday bookings where computer automatically says no once it’s hit the % limit?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: grim up north on 20-02-21, 02:27PM
I think nomad means if a manager can cancel your holiday after already granting you it
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 20-02-21, 02:52PM
Exactly.  If mm can cancel your authorised holiday booking, how long after authorisation took place can they(mm) cancel it  :question: ( without staff members consent )

Some companies pay people very well indeed to look for flaws/issues in IT systems, but not as much as those they pay very very well to write systems without major flaws.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: alf on 20-02-21, 03:04PM
I'd love to see the drama on here if management were locked out of making changes.

What's that Debbie you want to change your holidays because covid led to your flight being cancelled, too bad computer says no.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: grim up north on 20-02-21, 04:53PM
I dont think anyone has a problem with mutually agreed changes. The point I think that was being made was if debbie was flying on saturday to spain and came to work friday with a sombrero on, then the manager took her in the office to say her hols were cancelled cos 'maureen's goldfish has died so we're short staffed' - would cause some serious upset
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 20-02-21, 05:25PM
grim up north you've put it better than I.  I was concerned the initial response was "MM can withdraw holidays" no mention was made of "with mutual consent".

Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Morris999 on 20-02-21, 06:05PM
And what’s to stop me doing that right now on Hram?
Absolutely nothing, and if Debbie is unfortunate enough to have lost her confirmation slip, it can be made that there’s no evidence whatsoever of her even requesting the date, never mind it ever being authorised.

At least with work and pay there will be an electronic paper trail to protect Debbie, there’s nothing to protect her currently if she’s unfortunately enough to have lost her confirmation slip, and even then I’ve known managers to say that’s not their handwriting.

Yes holidays should only be cancelled with mutual consent, but we both know managers have cancelled them in the past without this, just like we both know that colleagues have turned up for shifts and clocked in deliberately when they should be on holiday so they can have it somewhere else.

Trust works both ways with this, and with 2 decades with the company I’ve seen managers and colleagues use every trick in the book and then some with holidays.

Work & Pay won’t be perfect or without issues, but at least it will be a more open and transparent way of doing things which is what colleagues keep saying they want.

I know lots of managers and colleagues are happy to stick with Hram and have lots of hours for wage clerks instore as it saves them doing the work, even though it’s out dated, has lots of issues and some wages clerks seem to think they own colleagues wages themselves.

We cannot pick and choose what part of the managers role we want them to do, just because it suits us for whatever reason.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 20-02-21, 07:41PM
My hope was that on W&P the software logs the date & time of all actions and by whom, and that that log is tamper proof.  Absolutely no reason why it cannot be done, it creates safety for staff and MM from false accusations.

Any change/cancellation requires MM and staff member to enter their own password or PIN.

Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 20-02-21, 11:36PM
Completely agree Nomad.

Can't say too much other than I had a couple of weeks holiday left to book. Booked, in front of me, with someone other than my Line Manager and used my remaining hours (Line Manager was off work at the time for a short period of time and didn't want to miss out).

Just double checking something earlier on today and someone's taken to removing one week that's coming up without talking to me first...  ???
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 21-02-21, 03:56AM
Are you talking about holiday before end of March? Resulting in holidays un-booked.
If days have been removed there is not a lot of holiday year left to re-book. Could it be that domestic time off has been taken earlier in the year. This should be agreed between you and manager but when not agreed at time of ruining it these days are often taken off end of year holidays so it can go through the wages system. It should then be talked through when you come back and if this holiday is required it can be changed. Holidays in these circumstances can be removed and rebooked by the wages clerk. They need to cancel a holiday if fully booked and if taking hols for domestic time off by doing this it prevents you being unpaid.
Have you made a lot of changes to holidays?  We can do this, nothing wrong with it but the more times you touch/amend things the greater the chance that mistakes will be made, either by wages or manager, or even yourself.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 21-02-21, 08:46AM
Hello Redshoes,

Yes it's time off during March; and the week in question is well within the time frame of the 2020/21 holiday window.

Haven't made a lot of changes to my holidays and now we're on W&P when I booked them with a manager they went through absolutely fine and were still showing online until Friday. Department hasn't got too many people off at the time, just me.

And I haven't used all of my holidays, without giving too much away, I even had a couple of hours left over after all of the weeks I'd requested had been processed and submitted.

Thanks for your help though  :thumbup:
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 22-02-21, 06:31AM
Could it be a error in the system. That’s why there is a trail just now. It won’t remove errors but might minimise them before it goes to all stores. It sounds like it’s possibly more to do with the system to me. As you say it is booking by hours. It’s a problem if not fully booked and not much holiday year left so I think it’s unlikely to have been cancelled deliberately by someone in store.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: forrestgimp on 22-02-21, 10:43AM
Morris speaks the truth, I have been saved numerous times by keeping my holiday slips safein a draw at home ready to be pulled out when needed, more often than not because although agreed my holiday was not entered into the system.

Never had an argument it was just. Ok no worries we forgot see when you get back.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
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Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
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Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 23-02-21, 02:50AM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 21-02-21, 08:46AM
Hello Redshoes,

Yes it's time off during March; and the week in question is well within the time frame of the 2020/21 holiday window.

Haven't made a lot of changes to my holidays and now we're on W&P when I booked them with a manager they went through absolutely fine and were still showing online until Friday. Department hasn't got too many people off at the time, just me.

And I haven't used all of my holidays, without giving too much away, I even had a couple of hours left over after all of the weeks I'd requested had been processed and submitted.

Thanks for your help though  :thumbup:

Strange thing, yesterday wages clerk said to me “there is something odd going on here. I have had a few managers come to me and ask me about days being cancelled. I can remember putting them in but for some reason they did not stay in the system”. She said she was getting a hard time from some managers about it and colleagues were confused as had thought booked.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: biggguy on 23-02-21, 02:58AM
Would love a manager to try and cancel my hols without my consent, would be career busting mistake lol. Once I've booked my hols they don't change, but I know some colleagues that chop and change constantly and these are the ones that are going to cause issues
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 23-02-21, 06:42PM
Big guy, that's great for you , I can only imagine you dont have family with health issues, young kids and have a home where nothing ever breaks . For the normal people some do need to change the odd days holiday because sometimes in life things happen . Personally i've changed more holidays this year than in my many many years in Tesco put together , that due to family illness , thankfully I've an understanding team manager and store manager. 
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: biggguy on 24-02-21, 02:39AM
Get what you saying Welshie I'm not getting at those that need to change for family reasons ,it's those that want to change constantly just because they NEED a holiday, and i do have a son with health issues at home
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 24-02-21, 10:15PM
Red Shoes,

When I'm next at work I'll see if our wonderful wages clerk can shed any light for me-my "annoyance" is directed at someone who I suspect has pulled a stunt, hoping I wouldn't notice, if my suspicions are correct.

However I would seek hard evidence first before charging in, guns blazing.

Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Trufight3r on 25-02-21, 05:24AM
Quote from: helpme on 18-02-21, 05:07PM
Policy is 75% has to be booked now and the remaining days by the end of September.

https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001330786-Holiday-for-colleagues-on-the-Work-Pay-Payroll-System-Full-Policy-and-Supporting-Documents

Hi, haven’t posted in a long time but this post caught my attention as it relates to something I’m curious about.

I’ve never had a problem booking my holidays however my managers now stating that 75% of holidays must be booked and taken by 31st October. I don’t agree with this but maybe I’m wrong.

The policy states “ As a guideline, 75% of your holiday and bank holiday should be taken between 1st April and 31st October, with the balance being taken between 1st November and 31st March”

The wording was changed to as a guideline and I do believe it’s not mandatory that I have to. I always like to take half my holidays after January and never been an issue.

Is this the case or is my manager right that I must take 75% of my holidays before 31st October?

Apologies if it’s unrelated to the post at hand thanks.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 25-02-21, 06:53AM
I would say that it comes down to your individual dept. If others can also fit in days remaining I don’t see that it’s an issue. If there with ou taking up so much time in the new year that it some weeks are over booked then that does become an issue. It also means your holidays are not evenly spread throughout the year and again, if this is not an issue that’s fine but if your were off sick and generally run down the evenly spreads of holidays may help.
I know of somebody who goes to Canada every year after Christmas. They take three weeks. It’s not an issue as it’s a small dept and they are not preventing others.
Some managers keep light weeks inThe new year to allow holidays to be rebooked for people who have been off long term and absent during holidays. This is to support areas that have a higher level of colleagues with health issues. Checkouts tends to be one as people tend to drift towards checkouts when they can no longer work on shop floor.
There is not a black and white answer but there are not enough weeks left in the new year for the majority to hold back holidays. Only one or two at most. It’s basic maths.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Trufight3r on 25-02-21, 01:08PM
Hey there,

Of course it’s not an issue in terms of being overbooked etc. I also compromise on that if needed.

I’m merely asking that I’m correct in assuming by the  letter of the Tesco law it’s not mandatory that I have to take 75% by 31st October. It’s just a guideline but not compulsory right?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: fatboy on 25-02-21, 07:47PM
Quick question. I'm trying to book my holidays for 2021/22 & my manager is telling me that all my holidays have to be booked in full weeks. Is this true? Thanks
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 25-02-21, 08:48PM
No.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: fatboy on 25-02-21, 08:53PM
Anywhere where I can view the policy Nomad?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Rad on 25-02-21, 08:57PM
Quote from: fatboy on 25-02-21, 07:47PM
Quick question. I'm trying to book my holidays for 2021/22 & my manager is telling me that all my holidays have to be booked in full weeks. Is this true? Thanks
Holiday policy is on colleague help. Majority should be in full weeks to allow colleagues to get their requests during peak times. As its in the policy now thats what they'll be referring to.  What the majority  means is might ge open to interpretation.  More than half id say. Then request the rest as odd days and there would be no comeback.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: londoner83 on 26-02-21, 07:43AM
If you are on work and pay you now request holiday in hours and part of the reason the company gives for the change is to allow greater flexibility for colleagues when it comes to holiday bookings. In theory you can now book multiple half days or even odd hours off.

There is no reason for you to have to book full weeks off, however you shouldn't try and play the system by booking for example 25 Saturdays off on a area with few staff, which would effectively stop anyone else having a full week off.

As with everything speak to your manager and explain why you need the time off and I'm sure most with try and accommodate your needs.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 26-02-21, 03:37PM
Is the new holidays by  hours a sign that soon we wont be paid for hospital appointments.  As you can book a hour or 2 off for appointment?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 27-02-21, 03:13AM
It’s advised to book some full weeks. We all need time out, a couple of days is not always a big enough break  We also need to consider others we work with, as some areas only allow one person off at a time and it would be unfair to take excessive weekends that prevents others from getting them.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: londoner83 on 27-02-21, 08:15AM
Welshie - no idea about what the future will bring - however if you were running a business would you really want to be paying X a full day's wage for a hospital appointment that could well actually only last 30 minutes?

Although having said that I think Tesco would need to think carefully before changing the rules in every case. I cant imagine the firm getting good publicity if after booking 2 hours off to attend hospital X is expected to attend for the rest of their shift after being told they have cancer etc.....
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-02-21, 10:24AM
30 minutes in a 9 hour day is all the production time some of these managers contribute, perhaps even less among the head office wonks.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Curious watcher on 01-03-21, 10:42PM
Quote from: Vinny1985 on 17-02-21, 11:32PM
Hi I was just told today we need to put every holiday in today. I asked if I could keep some back. I was told no. I thought you had to put in a percentage. I don't know if I need odd day off for things what come up. I normally keep a few days back. We were told it had something to do with pay roll.

That’s what emergency holidays are for
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: uklions on 01-03-21, 11:21PM
we were told at least 75% need to be booked
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: ocredex on 23-03-21, 06:47AM
Hi, I was told by my line manager that all my holidays have to be in week blocks and that I am not able to book individual days for long weekends or any other reason. I have been with the company for 9 years and have never been told this before.  Is this policy as I believe it says in the holiday policy colleagues "should" try and book most of their holidays in block weeks but does not say the have to.

My manager is adamant that I can only book in block weeks and has refused my holiday request for my 21/22 holidays because of it.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-03-21, 08:22AM
Your manager is speaking rubbish, show him the policy, if he's still difficult involve people partner.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: ocredex on 23-03-21, 01:24PM
Sorry NightAndDay not sure if your comment was in realtion to the one I made, but if it was then who is people partner and what exactly do they do. I have enlisted the help of a rep to find out where I exactly stand but apart from that I am not sure what else I can do.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-03-21, 02:07PM
The people partner is your stores "HR Manager" (And I use the term loosely) they are in most cases not to be trusted, but in cases like yours where policy on holidays is clearly stipulated on Our Tesco, provided there is no business case for them to refuse your holiday, they have no reason to not allow non-blocked bookings, it's a preference that they want blocked bookings not an order.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Rad on 23-03-21, 03:09PM
@ocredex remember Tesco update their policies constantly, anyone who is continually giving advice and left Tesco ages ago should maybe put a disclaimer on their posts saying their words may not be gospel.

Policy says most of your holiday should be taken in full weeks then the odd days agreed by your manager.

This was in the feb 2020 policy.

I think thats pretty clear and is probably what your manager is getting at.  Not sure how it can be argued otherwise.

It wont say 'must' instead of 'should' to allow flexibility.

I guess if you book more than half of your holidays in full weeks and request the odd days then you will get it approved.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: NightAndDay on 23-03-21, 05:49PM
I make no pretense of knowing what policy is, just based off what the OP has already explained i.e "I believe..." I am but a person who's quite clued up on employment law and the lack of personal integrity of a sizable minority of Tesco's managers.

I trust the OP's reading comprehension to be sufficient to deduce whether he is being diddled by the manager in question, I'm just elucidating the fact that if they can pull the wool over his/hers eyes, they will.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 23-03-21, 05:56PM
@ocredex , surely if you've worked for Tesco for nine years then you could show previous holidays taken to prove your point . Most managers will be quite accommodating UNLESS you are trying to book all weekends or mostly odd days as that can prevent others getting full weeks .
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AM
Some of your holidays should be whole weeks. It supports you as gives you block days out the business. It also helps others fit their holidays in. If you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in. It's a matter of balance. We don't know how many people you have to compete with regarding holidays but the whole picture needs to be looked at. It could be that others have complained and trying to cover your weekends off has just become so hard. There is also something about Sundays. You only mention weekends but if a Sunday is included in this there is an expectation that you a reasonable amount due to the way the premium is paid.
When we move to work&pay you will be booking time off by the hour. We have had a lot of big changes put in place in the wages system.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: taliahad on 24-03-21, 04:32PM
Why are holidays such a nightmare at this company?  It's that time again when we can start booking holidays for 2022/23, unbelievable isn't it?  Our PFS team got a message from our manager saying that we could book holidays from April 1 and it's granted on a first come first served basis.  So another colleague and myself will be waiting to pounce on our manager when she turns up for work on Thursday because we both want the same week or two off.  It's such a nightmare, there are eleven of us in the PFS, too many to spread over the summer months and give everyone a fair chance of a fair break.  Our manager will not have two people off on the same day, sometime she won't let two people off in the same week.  I do not know what the official policy is but believe me, the holiday issue in our place causes a great deal of anger.  I think after the couple of years we've had, Tesco could be more lenient with holidays and after all, how can we know what we want so far in advance, we can't book flights and so much can and does change.  It all seems so unreasonable to me, I've decided to do all I can to get my dates in early, if it's not granted, I'll offer to have the time unpaid and do shift swaps, but I'm having what I want and that will be that.   
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: gomezz on 24-03-21, 08:42PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AMIf you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in.
But if your work shifts are clustered round the weekend then it makes perfect sense to book a weekend of as a block even though that is split over two calendar weeks.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Redshoes on 25-03-21, 06:30AM
Yes, I agree but that was not what was said. If you work sat/sun and then wed/thurs I get that sat sun gives a a bock few days off but if you book wed/thurs too it gives a longer spell. I once had Tuesday off and I loved it. When we had bh I got sun/mon/tues off. I worked less by then.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: grim up north on 25-03-21, 12:34PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AM
Some of your holidays should be whole weeks. It supports you as gives you block days out the business. It also helps others fit their holidays in. If you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in. It's a matter of balance. We don't know how many people you have to compete with regarding holidays but the whole picture needs to be looked at. It could be that others have complained and trying to cover your weekends off has just become so hard. There is also something about Sundays. You only mention weekends but if a Sunday is included in this there is an expectation that you a reasonable amount due to the way the premium is paid.
When we move to work&pay you will be booking time off by the hour. We have had a lot of big changes put in place in the wages system.

Why are we being asked to book time off by the hour if they want to you to book whole weeks?
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 25-03-21, 01:52PM
Quote from: gomezz on 24-03-21, 08:42PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AMIf you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in.
But if your work shifts are clustered round the weekend then it makes perfect sense to book a weekend of as a block even though that is split over two calendar weeks.

It also leaves less weeks for other  colleagues to book their holidays . If you have 6 weeks holiday allocation and booked them all like that , it would take 12 full weeks out of holiday diary for someone else .
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Rad on 25-03-21, 02:09PM
Quote from: grim up north on 25-03-21, 12:34PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AM
Some of your holidays should be whole weeks. It supports you as gives you block days out the business. It also helps others fit their holidays in. If you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in. It's a matter of balance. We don't know how many people you have to compete with regarding holidays but the whole picture needs to be looked at. It could be that others have complained and trying to cover your weekends off has just become so hard. There is also something about Sundays. You only mention weekends but if a Sunday is included in this there is an expectation that you a reasonable amount due to the way the premium is paid.
When we move to work&pay you will be booking time off by the hour. We have had a lot of big changes put in place in the wages system.

Why are we being asked to book time off by the hour if they want to you to book whole weeks?

Because payroll will eventually be managed by hours rather than cash value across the whole estate. We will be able to request part of our shift off rather than a whole shift if eg, you only needed time off for a couple of hours. 

Stores would then receive an allowed hours based on how many hours are out of the business.  This is why holiday booking is so important this year, especially in convenience as there will not be any money to pay for stores if managers have allowed multiple people off at the same time.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: gomezz on 25-03-21, 08:24PM
Quote from: Welshie on 25-03-21, 01:52PM
Quote from: gomezz on 24-03-21, 08:42PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 24-03-21, 08:24AMIf you only book weekends off it can mean that others that work with you are struggling to fit their holidays in.
But if your work shifts are clustered round the weekend then it makes perfect sense to book a weekend of as a block even though that is split over two calendar weeks.

It also leaves less weeks for other  colleagues to book their holidays . If you have 6 weeks holiday allocation and booked them all like that , it would take 12 full weeks out of holiday diary for someone else .
Why should someone else's arrangements for their holidays take priority just because they system is borked and / or they were too late getting their request in?  People who prefer to take their holidays as long weekends should not be discriminated against.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 25-03-21, 08:51PM
Why should others loose out on holidays because someone doesn't want to work weekends , it's ok to book the odd weekend off but policy is most should be booked in full weeks . Which is what OP was asking about
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: gomezz on 26-03-21, 11:23AM
Others won't lose out on the holidays they want if they don't delay putting there request in.  It may come as a surprise but many people organise their social life around long weekends (festivals, sports events, retreats etc) and are just as deserving of having their needs met as others.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: alf on 26-03-21, 12:00PM
I think people enjoy being obtuse, for the sake of being obtuse.

Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 26-03-21, 05:15PM
Holidays are given to allow one to relax and recharge to prevent 'burn out'.

There are many ways people like to R&R,  e.g. a week in the sun on a beach perhaps or weekends attending an event of their interest.  No one group should suffer detriment because of the others preference.  No one group is right or wrong in their preference.

A company should have enough guile and resources to plan for all parties.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: NightAndDay on 26-03-21, 09:22PM
Quote from: alf on 26-03-21, 12:00PM
I think people enjoy being obtuse, for the sake of being obtuse.

Humans spend most of their lives between 90 and 180 degrees.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: btblackbird on 27-03-21, 01:51PM
I usually book all my holidays on 1st April every year for the next year, but have been told by manager iwon't be able to do that as new system will be made available  to colleagues sometime soon this year. Have  booked 2021 to 2022 last April and now want to book 2022 to 2023 on 1st April  this April. Can they refuse my holiday booking form? I don't want to wait indefinitely for new system and miss my choice of dates,  is my manager just trying it on,? Any advice would be appreciated.  Many thanks
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: beentheredoneit on 27-03-21, 02:12PM
Got to say, as a team manager booking my holidays on work and pay - it isnt as easy as everyone thinks - cannot believe this will be rolled out to all any time soon ....
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Cairney39 on 27-03-21, 02:52PM
Blackbird, holiday policy overrides any new (or otherwise) payroll system. April 1st, if you want to request your 2022/2023 holidays, fill your boots
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 27-03-21, 03:00PM
Quote from: Nomad on 26-03-21, 05:15PM
Holidays are given to allow one to relax and recharge to prevent 'burn out'.

There are many ways people like to R&R,  e.g. a week in the sun on a beach perhaps or weekends attending an event of their interest.  No one group should suffer detriment because of the others preference.  No one group is right or wrong in their preference.

A company should have enough guile and resources to plan for all parties.

If only Nomad , then you also wouldn't have to book so far in advance either lol
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Nomad on 27-03-21, 03:24PM
I think it shows how poorly staffed/resourced a company is when they(company) have to ask staff to book holiday time so far in advance.
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: btblackbird on 28-03-21, 09:17AM
Thanks all. I will hand in my photographed request forms on 1st April  and await the response with bated breath.. :)
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 28-03-21, 05:42PM
Hi , I got a question, can I ask for parental leave if I don't get my requested holiday.  Does anyone knows,  please? Thanks
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 29-03-21, 03:19PM
I think but could be wrong that parental leave is a "last minute" thing so you could ask closer to time needed .
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 31-03-21, 10:56AM
Can my manager refuse my request for parental leave to cover half term holidays, please? As I know parental leave is available for parents to look after children, spend more time as family and welfare of kids. Does someone know or have any experience with it  please? Thank you
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 31-03-21, 05:18PM
I think what you're actually looking to book is ,  time off for dependants . Yet again I think it is for unforeseen circumstances and half term break is not unforeseen.  I can't seem to access the policy online since theyve changed the our Tesco website .
It might depend on how flexible your manager is .
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Welshie on 31-03-21, 05:32PM
@kidder ignore my last post . Unpaid Parental Leave (apparently different to parental leave) is requested on a leave form at least 21 days in advance . You are entitled to 4 weeks per year for each child you have . It does not state on the policy if it can be refused .
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 31-03-21, 10:05PM
Thank you for your help, Really appreciate it
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 01-04-21, 09:04AM
Hello , just was wondering what's going on with holidays,  please.  My manager took my holiday form for year 2022/ 2023 . My partner who works on nights was told that  they can't take his as they are going on online booking system from 1.7.2021 and he can book his holidays for next year from 1.4.2022. Does anyone knows what going on, please? Thank you for reply. ( I have to book mine asap because lady who works with my wants same dates which is a pickle.  I'm thinking of moving department if possible. )
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 01-04-21, 09:13AM
Hi Kidder,

I know Managers book their holidays online through Work & Pay but at the moment, as far as I'm aware, our Managers should be sitting down with us and booking holidays 'the old fashioned way' and then they go onto the system and put the time off on the system.

Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 01-04-21, 09:15AM
They are even posting their holidays on WhatsApp to by first.  I can't beat that.. I was trying to talk to her  to  decide what  she is booking but she just wants all specialy easter holidays and May half term.  I'm happy with one of these weeks.  I told that to my manager so just have to wait and see. 
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Shopworker74 on 02-04-21, 12:58PM
Would anyone happen to have a holiday form I could download, seeing my manager is an absolute nightmare 🙄
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: dotnochance on 02-04-21, 01:19PM
You could just knock on office door and ask whoever is in the office at the time, loads of them there
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: blackberry on 02-04-21, 01:20PM
Quote from: Shopworker74 on 02-04-21, 12:58PM
Would anyone happen to have a holiday form I could download, seeing my manager is an absolute nightmare 🙄

Hope this helps
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 02-04-21, 03:44PM
Quote from: Kidder on 01-04-21, 09:04AM
Hello , just was wondering what's going on with holidays,  please.  My manager took my holiday form for year 2022/ 2023 . My partner who works on nights was told that  they can't take his as they are going on online booking system from 1.7.2021 and he can book his holidays for next year from 1.4.2022. Does anyone knows what going on, please? Thank you for reply. ( I have to book mine asap because lady who works with my wants same dates which is a pickle.  I'm thinking of moving department if possible. )

Whether work and pay or not, they should take them as it may be delayed, its estimated for September release to stores instead of just managers and trials, but with current issues it could be longer, so they can always look at it again later once they have a definitive date... You could always say put it down as the hours and you'll adjust it later if need be. 😂
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 03-04-21, 11:40AM
Thank you,  he did take the holiday form. Where I are work,  we have 2 ladies working on GM. Does that mean they can't be off at the same time. They don't even work same days. Previous manager allowed 2 people off but now they are not allowed to have same week off. If you have one person working on department they can have off when they want and no-one works there all week.  Is there anything that can be done about that? Does anyone have experience with that,  please? Thanks 😊
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Kidder on 03-04-21, 12:27PM
Can I book my holiday for year 2023/24 in January 2022 or did I have to wait till 1.4.2022, please? I know is way to early but I don't want to be one hour late than my colleague and loose out as tesco police first come first served is not fer when you have kids.  Someone gets all holidays and other person get nothing.  Any experience in this matter, please? Thank you 😊
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Shopworker74 on 06-04-21, 02:00PM
Quote from: blackberry on 02-04-21, 01:20PM
Quote from: Shopworker74 on 02-04-21, 12:58PM
Would anyone happen to have a holiday form I could download, seeing my manager is an absolute nightmare 🙄

Hope this helps
Thank you
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Shopworker74 on 06-04-21, 02:01PM
Quote from: dotnochance on 02-04-21, 01:19PM
You could just knock on office door and ask whoever is in the office at the time, loads of them there
Work nights so no one in the office  :(
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: biggerpicture on 07-04-21, 08:05AM
You can download a Holiday Request Form from Colleague Help
Title: Re: All holidays to be put in by April
Post by: Prince of Darkness on 14-04-21, 11:09AM
Quote from: Kidder on 03-04-21, 12:27PM
Can I book my holiday for year 2023/24 in January 2022 or did I have to wait till 1.4.2022, please? I know is way to early but I don't want to be one hour late than my colleague and loose out as tesco police first come first served is not fer when you have kids.  Someone gets all holidays and other person get nothing.  Any experience in this matter, please? Thank you 😊
You won't be able to book holiday for 23/24 until 1 April 2022.