Has anyone heard about job cuts this year. If so what type of stores. Managers? Team leaders? General assistants?
Blimey!! We are all trying to get through the pandemic!!! Without worrying about our jobs!!!
I know. I hope tesco wouldn't cut jobs after we all worked so hard for them. But I want to know if anyone heard anything at the same time.
I've not heard anything and, given the current climate, it's not fair (in my opinion) to speculate on people's jobs.
We know we've worked hard throughout this pandemic but we also know it means nothing to those who've not had to face the constant challenges day in, day out.... ???
Any jobcuts will be leaked by the Sunday papers in the next few weeks as per the last 2 years.
Don't expect the pandemic to make any difference, it didn't help the bakeries when they were shafted last year.
Exactly.
A little of topic but has anyone heard of a new superstore management structure that's being trialled?
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Well first of all remaining xmas temps will go (we kept 4 out of 6).
Tesco will release 3Q financial results in 2 days time, it should give us a hint where we stand.
For now i heard that just xms temps cost 15M over budget so it is one reasons to seek more cost cuts in the nearest future.
Regarding superstore structure change i would be happy to see Lead Manager removal on nights (atleast our store) (-*-). Cost to much and does literraly nothing. 2 CAs would cost same money but atleast work would be done so we could gain on slightly higher sale (customers don't want to buy more dust from empty shelves) and lower cost as OT would not be needed.
Team manager or lead manager? Team manager on nights would be about the same as 2 night team cas on 30 hour a week contracts, lead night manager would on on closer to 50k a year, that's about 3-4 night shift cas.
From what I can see, the whole lead manager layer at superstore formats is unnecessary, there's no reason why Team Managers can't report straight to the SM. Or at the very least a DM role being made to funnel all departments to rather than 3-4 Lead managers.
Our superstore has store manager,one fresh manager one front end manager 2 shop floor managers,compliance manager combined with stock,pid assistant manager in limbo job gone,pfs manager job gone in limbo customer service manager has left job gone.talk of shift slaves and talk of team support going not confirmed.Its a joke I work in stock control which is a joke now anyway.The store has lost its spark thanks to all the cuts they haven’t finished...... and they don’t give a s*** which is mutual I will add.
Front end restructure is due. Not sure on what the details are. SM has let it slip. Wouldn’t let us recruit active vacancies on heat map because of it
Only extras or stores designate with high volume Dotcom operation will keep the Lead Night role......all other Lead Night roles will be taken out of the structure.
From what I’ve seen some stores will drop to 2 Lead Managers with the Ambient Lead having responsibility for the Nights Operation (although will have Nights Team Managers) FT and PT reporting to him or her. The Structures were discussed with SMs in October, with a hard copy of the proposed structure (flow/chart/hierarchy).
Fresh Food Team Manager role will absorb the Produce Team Manager role. Already the Bakery Managers have picked up more fresh responsibilities.
I believe February will start the consultations/selection process, based on the usual, (end of year, met, missed , exceeeded targets, absence etc etc.
How does this work in a non dotcom store with 1 day lead and 1 night lead? Do they lose the night and the day have full 24hr operation
Bakery cuts part 2 my bet and manager restructure with no redundancy on table
I think possible cutting of pi hours, most of the time we don't have enough to do. We tend to fill at least half a shift every night!
Bakeries will be completely part bake soon. Get rid of last few skilled bakers.
Superstore formats are still too top heavy compared with their convenience counterparts. Too many chiefs not enough indians, plenty of labour effective streamlining to be done, they should get rid of lead managers bump up the salary slightly of team managers and have 2 shift leaders instead of 1 team manager, team managers can do the old duty of lead managers (drink costa all day, occasionally put out stick and feed back to the SM) Shift Leaders actually manage and everything else stays the same.
I don’t know of a single lead manager in Superstores that have actually completed a Duty shift since the last restructure, Extras I know they do, but not one in a superstore on my group.
And from speaking to other TM at various conferences since 2015 the majority say the same.
While there’s movement in Superstores regarding TM’s it should be more to balance out the workload.
How HO can justify the workload of Checkout Managers having anywhere from 40-100 colleagues, yet have a Produce manager in the same store only looking after 5 is beyond me.
There is definitely a imbalance between Frontend managers workload and Replenishment.
Anyone on here excepting a manager cull will be sadly disappointed I believe, as most managers will take redundancy given half a chance and HO know it.
Quote from: Davethebave on 13-01-21, 08:43AM
Front end restructure is due. Not sure on what the details are. SM has let it slip. Wouldn’t let us recruit active vacancies on heat map because of it
Think your SM is on about the PFS going single manned that was announced in the Summer, where HO no redundancies for affected colleagues, just moving into main store.
There has still been nothing mentioned in our store about single-manning in pfs , no mention of any changes in pfs and our pfs is still 24hrs .
I wonder if wage clerks will be next with the plan of work and pay in all stores this year
Quote from: Welshie on 13-01-21, 07:22PM
There has still been nothing mentioned in our store about single-manning in pfs , no mention of any changes in pfs and our pfs is still 24hrs .
All depends on where you are in the order of works. Phase 1 and phase 2 have been completed. I have no idea of how many phases there are but it's still rolling out. First you will know about it is when the equipment starts coming in. The PFS site shuts for a week for the CCTV to be fitted so there must be some notice for that but once the CCTV is in place the PFS is ready to go to new structure.
We are in phase 2 only had cameras fitted over 4 pumps to allow overnight trading again .cameras fitted during 2 nights .now 24hrs again no mention of going single manned .we are a superstore.
All stores are different. It all depends on trade and routines.
Apparently there will be a reduction of managers and they will be introducing team leaders, if your store stops trading 24/7 1 night manager to go, consultation start Feb
Quote from: Nighthawk on 16-01-21, 08:03AM
Apparently there will be a reduction of managers and they will be introducing team leaders, if your store stops trading 24/7 1 night manager to go, consultation start Feb
Do you mean shift leaders?
What is the diference between old Team Leader and Shift Leader.?
Team leaders were replaced with Team support. Shift leaders do duty shifts and are a cross between Team support and team manager. Same pay as team support.
Why the hell would anyone be a shift leader more jobs that team support but same pay?
Shift Leaders are in Expresses/Metros
Team Support are in Superstores/Extras.
It’s been rumoured for a few years that most if not all Team Managers will be replaced by Shift Leaders in Superstores/Extras.
Every Jan/Feb the same rumour appears.
It seems that Nighthawk is rehashing that rumour, as no-one outside the top reaches at HO will know what if any colleague/manager changers are happening yet this year.
Unless of course Nighthawk is one of those at the top at HO like some of our other posters that were effectively bullied off the forum over the past few years.
I've heard something similar about Shift Leaders being introduced to superstore in place of Team Managers. Not sure how that will work in practice as SLs have a lot less power than a TM.
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Maybe Lead Managers will finally have some work to do!!!!
I thought meat and fish counters were next for the axe,as they only open part time now anyhow
Quote from: Kieth_Lemon on 16-01-21, 05:24PM
I've heard something similar about Shift Leaders being introduced to superstore in place of Team Managers. Not sure how that will work in practice as SLs have a lot less power than a TM.
Might have more power in a superstore, or be the current TM role but given a new name, something like department leader and on less pay than current TM knowing Tesco.
Quote from: Kieth_Lemon on 16-01-21, 05:24PM
I've heard something similar about Shift Leaders being introduced to superstore in place of Team Managers. Not sure how that will work in practice as SLs have a lot less power than a TM.
There isn't much more that a Team Manager can do that a SL can't, In Express where there is much less governance, it's not uncommon for a SL to do rotas, payroll, holidays etc, they are usually the duty in the store as well.
In reality, there's probably about 2-3 e-learning courses that differentiates a SL from a TM.. that and a nice managers uniform.
Quote from: Nighthawk on 16-01-21, 08:03AM
Apparently there will be a reduction of managers and they will be introducing team leaders, if your store stops trading 24/7 1 night manager to go, consultation start Feb
Do you have any more info regarding this? Specifically night managers being axed?
Thank you
Why would they re-introduce team leaders??? And are they expecting team managers to step down?
perhaps they will leave them on protected pay or a cushion payment to soften the blow of in effect de-motion
Quote from: biggguy on 18-01-21, 02:41AM
Why would they re-introduce team leaders??? And are they expecting team managers to step down?
If they can replace DSMs in express with Shift Leaders then they can easily do the same with TMs.
About time Tesco has always been top heavy with managers hope this happens in Depots too many chiefs !
I am thinking that if we all change our names we might start earning more money. :D
In reality in many stores you now have TM on 25k managing a team of 5-10 colleagues.
On Sundays the entire store can run with 2-3 managers...
With facts like that how on earth can anyone justify the need for 15+ managers in the building on a often less busy Tuesday or Wednesday?
I agree that Sunday's can and often do take more money than some days in the week but sunday is still treated as a special day. The managers that are in on Sunday's are mostly on overtime and do not do much in relation to own job.
our store has 3 night managers that do nothing, just walk around ech night asking how its going , they actually walk round togeather as well
Graham maybe your store but not all are the same.
I didn't particularly like our night-shift managers but they do work extremely hard. They split fresh delivery & pack aisles, are in early and out late every night.
Hopefully a shack up of lead management most roles pointless
Retail needs to do away with managers fully and have everyone on higher pay and equal standing. Too much misappropriated importance and dead weight at the top as it is, a horribly inefficient system.
Quote from: Welshie on 25-01-21, 04:39PM
I didn't particularly like our night-shift managers but they do work extremely hard. They split fresh delivery & pack aisles, are in early and out late every night.
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Has anyone on here know about the cut to admin assistant in Express Stores, I keep getting told that admin hours have been cut yet again and now I only have 6 hours a week to do the work, and being told that for my other 24 hours that I am contracted to do all the deliveries and till or leave.
Dead weight managers?
OK.
I could say the same for a lot of the GAs; particularly more noticeable in Extra stores.
Is it not the business plan/launch soon? Imagine that will shed some light
Changes happening soon. Please look at how morrisons did the changes, thats whats coming for mgrs. All mgrs need to apply for the jobs or take redundancy or step down to a team leader role. The job role will change to include more hours and flexibility around shifts especially sundays. And yes slightly less pay. If you are closed at night now bye bye to a mgr. What better time to do it. Covid has helped them. Most mgrs will struggle to gets jobs elsewhere and so will step down to team leader. Mgr positions based on head count. So fresh will go down to 1 mgr and front end to 1.5 mgrs in extras. One last thing with is only for store mgrs bonus.
Sorry meant to say . Every voice matters is part if the SM bonus, about 10% hence why they are always on it.
You actually know this or an educated guess?
The union always get prior warning of what's coming. Don't worry though, somebody still has to manage things, the company isn't stupid, its only getting rid of jobs that are no longer fit for purpose. Relax and wait for the next couple of weeks to fly by. PS don't go buying a car now!
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Hardly a new normal
Definitely happening, the unions are fully aware of what's happening, exactly what's happening with scottish gas at the moment, watch this space, consultations start early February.
anyone know anything about a front end restructure? we are expecting a refit soon and rumour has it we are losing some checkouts
We underwent a refit in 2020 and lost our basket tills-just hazarding a guess and suspect it'll be the same in your store too.
Who knows what's around the corner? Whatever happens, at this rate, there'll be no one on the shop floor left to axe!
Hi we have people on holiday next week and there is no overtime to cover the holidays!!! One person to do whole section and pre sort !!! For the foreseeable future,
Our manager was told that they're trying to claw money back before the end of year results and days should be picking up what we leave , never known things to be this bad.
Quote from: 5fdp on 26-01-21, 02:20PM
Changes happening soon. Please look at how morrisons did the changes, thats whats coming for mgrs. All mgrs need to apply for the jobs or take redundancy or step down to a team leader role. The job role will change to include more hours and flexibility around shifts especially sundays. And yes slightly less pay. If you are closed at night now bye bye to a mgr. What better time to do it. Covid has helped them. Most mgrs will struggle to gets jobs elsewhere and so will step down to team leader. Mgr positions based on head count. So fresh will go down to 1 mgr and front end to 1.5 mgrs in extras. One last thing with is only for store mgrs bonus.
Firstly, the team support role is not going to be added to.The shift leader role that is in the small store format will come to the large store format at some point. It probably would have done by now if it was not for covid.
Secondly, as I have nearly 30 years with the company this is nothing new. A shake up and managers needing reapply for jobs used to happen every six years or so. I have seen it when managers were called controllers, then again when they were called section managers and agin when they were called line managers.
This is nothing new, no great surprise. Everybody knows it's coming but we don't know when. A shake up has already happened in the checkout/services area. The role has already been expanded, so this is out of date news. It has been by soft structure and most stores recognise it as a huge role for one manager as it gives an average of 50% of the store reporting to one manager in the stores without dot.com. The front end checkout and services combined role now has checkouts, PFS, cash office, CSD, trolleys all reporting to one manager. That manager continues to do duty shifts, opens and closes the store etc. The part time manager role that was services who had cash office, CSD, trolleys and PFS has been removed and all gone to exisiting checkout manager who was already full time.
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?
No news ???
Quote from: Justwaiting on 27-01-21, 09:15AM
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?
Shift Leaders are closer to Team Managers than team support, team support is a bit redundant to be honest, overpaid non-managers.
Quote from: Justwaiting on 27-01-21, 09:15AM
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?
Who knows, they did not retain any in small format stores. All changed to shift leaders but they wear headsets and work on shop floor so nobody running checkouts. Not sure how this would work in larger formats. There is more to be done but there are times when the team support seem to have nothing else to do but wait to be called and watch for queues at the tills. It changes so quickly though, it can go from idle tills to queues almost in a blink of an eye. They are paid more for the tablet work, for covering shifts, doing exceptions etc. Not just looking after the back of checkouts. It has not been rolled out in large store format so who knows. We will have to wait and see. There was a point in time when no team leader jobs were being filled if someone left, no idea if that is still the case.
Quote from: Redshoes on 28-01-21, 03:25AM
Quote from: Justwaiting on 27-01-21, 09:15AM
Will team support stay or go if shift leaders are brought in?
Who knows, they did not retain any in small format stores. All changed to shift leaders but they wear headsets and work on shop floor so nobody running checkouts. Not sure how this would work in larger formats. There is more to be done but there are times when the team support seem to have nothing else to do but wait to be called and watch for queues at the tills. It changes so quickly though, it can go from idle tills to queues almost in a blink of an eye. They are paid more for the tablet work, for covering shifts, doing exceptions etc. Not just looking after the back of checkouts. It has not been rolled out in large store format so who knows. We will have to wait and see. There was a point in time when no team leader jobs were being filled if someone left, no idea if that is still the case.
Presumably the utilisation of team support etc depends on the size of store but also organisation of tasks... eg in my store (extra) if it is 'quiet' they will be sorting out putbacks or filling/clearing shelf ends near the checkouts or the stacks by the entrance (same for any surplus checkout staff if quiet).
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 28-01-21, 01:04PM
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.
Team Support were created as part of the 2015 Manager/Team Leader restructure, and were only given to Checkouts and Dot Com.
They were given less responsibility than the Team Leader role they replaced, mainly now they cannot do RTW, but stayed on the same pay.
Shift Leaders were created after this in Expresses and for some unknown reason paid exactly the same as Checkout Team Support, but less than Dot Com Driver Team Support in most cases, even though they are accountable for far more, and are in effect lower management.
Before Team Leaders then Team Support on Checkouts you used to have Runners, however they had nowhere near the accountabilities of Team Leaders or Team Support.
Now I’m not saying they could not be replaced with just experienced CA’s, however that would create more workload for the Checkout Manager who already has more to do than any other Team Manager instore, and would make an already difficult position to fill nearly impossible.
At some point a Manager restructure is coming, whether it’s a soft structure change as has been happening over the past few years, one similar to the 2015 restructure or a full on one similar to the 2005 Line Manger restructure is still to be made public if it’s even been decided yet, as is when this is going to happen, whether this year or in the next few!
Quote from: NightAndDay on 28-01-21, 01:04PM
None of those duties are exclusive to team support, Express never had Team Support, Deputy Store Managers went and all the Team Leaders turned into Shift Leaders. I'm not entirely sure of the purpose of team support roles to be honest, they just seem like experienced cas without any management responsibilities but on the same money as Shift Leaders, would make more sense to make them shift leaders in order to impose responsibilities onto them, or if their expected productivity is the same as a customer assistant, make the role redundant.
They primarily responsible for delivering service. They are junior managers. Not a full list of jobs but enough to get the idea.
They work out checkout rota. Manager books overtime on the tablet but TS do the flexi sheets. They do exceptions, report issues with tills, do change run and run the back of checkouts day to day. They also deliver the training, dept and refresher. Now service manager role has been removed they also maintain other areas like ensuring FPS and CSD get breaks.
Change run is now done by a single person due to COVID, unlikely to change back after now.
A small part of the job is fetching broken eggs for customers waiting at a till. They check prices when questioned etc.
Delivering wait time or IDQ depending on the measure that has been applied to store, no easy task either way.
So basically the same as shift leaders then without running duty, it sounds like there's too much overlap between the roles.
Conference call with all SMs across the business on Monday both large and express format. Back to back calls that morning. So something big will be announced.
That will be the Yearly and Q1 business plan, which will be very short on details if any are announced for structure changes.
Not entirely sure how they can cut back express anymore, the only 3 ways that come to mind is getting rid of security guards. Reducing ca numbers and opening hours or reducing the amount of SMs and making existing ones "cluster Store Managers". All of which is ill advised, it's all bare bones as it can be without effecting profitability.
Small format have been through the structure change.
There are huge differences between the large stores in set up. Some have senior team but not all.
The soft structure changes in the large formats have been soft structure changes. They said no more redundancies. Before more changes are made the people in limbo with soft structure should be resolved, in my mind anyway.
We have a manager with six colleagues and another manager with over 50 colleagues.
Managers have moved over to work & pay but colleagues have not. This was due to happen early this year but I think some of the issues need to be ironed out first.
Personally I think the company will hold fire on any large scale changes for another year.
They will want role out of work & pay to be a success before they scrap any roles, and with covid still affecting stores they wouldn't want to lose/demote a load of managers and then find due to covid outbreaks they have insufficient management cover.
That is very wishful thinking right there!
as the changes tend to be store specific,it will be intresting to see what is around the corner,our store manager has openly said he believes the meat and fish counters will be the next to go,and basket only tills,as these can be easlly replaced with self scan
Didn't hold fire last May when they got rid of most of the bakers.
That was already announced pre-covid and as it wasn't fair to leave those affected in limbo they carried on with the plan.
In publicity terms would it make sense for one of the few retail businesses unaffected by lockdowns, who has seen profits increase to say it has to lay off a large number of colleagues to maintain its profitability?
And the long term plans were leaked 2 years ago, any counters or scratch bakeries left on borrowed time now.
I can definitely see basket tills going and being replaced by one or two extra self service tills.
We've 2 basket tills, one is never ever used, and the other is only manned 10 til 4 most days, if at all. Makes sense to move that to 2 self service tills that can handle scan as you shops, and self service customers at all times
I went to local extra yesterday, huge range change for non-food. They have three GM managers but they were told months ago that the structure only supports one. I do think changes are on the way but I think it’s for the roles already in limbo and have been told soft structure.
With work and pay coming in and rollout continuing I really wonder what will happen to the wages roll as it’s becoming less and less work to do
I'd imagine they will keep wages in place for a few months whilst work and pay embeds before moving the hours around the business.
Does any one know if they are getting rid of senior team?
Our store manager has said,changes will be announced soon,no one is going to lose their job,but some staff will be moved due to business needs
Does anyone know the out come of the conference call today?? surely someone will spill the beans and which formats it applies to.
Word is there is a reduction in front end hours. Team Support, Trollies, Checkouts and CSD all affected.
What about grocery and fresh managers combining in smaller satires to just one replenishment manager?
Why speculate we will find out soon enough.
Hours cut for team leaders, front end, cash office, csd, trollies and PI
Is this for all team leaders including dot com?
Did PI not have hours cut recently between midnight and 3am ?
Our PI department still work the entire night shift. Hours never been cut yet... I'm expecting things to change, we never have enough work to do anymore
They got rid of stock and cash admin in our express after first lockdown maybe because they both had to shield for 12 weeks. Now us SLs do those roles.
Any details news on the changes coming
Every store will be different in terms of what the changes will look like.
Highlights are:
Front end hours being reduced (including cash office)
F&f changing rooms being shut
Reduction in the range across stores, so some replen hours to go
Simpler plans and less promo changes (might have the same time frame just less products on offer)
No redundancy from what I understand, just moving people around the business, not recruiting leavers etc until heatmap is balanced. These moves are all from covid, ie less hours in cash office because customers are shopping online or paying more by card
In terms of reduction in range and simpler plans I've seen that touted quite a few times and then they'll go through a range change and we seemingly end up with a tonne of new lines that don't sell :D.
I defy anyone from HO to walk into my store and tell me how our Pies & Savouries and Fresh Sausages mod are 'simpler' ??? ...
Let’s hope they look at adding hours into Fresh.
What are the changes for csd? We are already run ragged with hours cut
combined csd and kiosk if your store isn't already, wouldn't surprise me if they reduce opening hours for it too
I have heard that half tills will be going card only, has anyone else heard this ?
Think it's actually more than half as cash usage has massively declined. Will be interesting from a IDQ point if the card tills are empty yet 5 people are queuing on the cash till.
I totally agree. Any idea when it’s hapopening?
What are the changes to the csd as we are already pretty short
@DavetheBave,
When you say some Replenishment hours are to go, did they give any indication to how much will be 'removed', or is it store specific as to what is cut?
It’s store specific, but the hours going from replen are very low vs front end
Is that at every level. Or larger format as express and metros already had cuts last year
They're at the point in Express now where they can't make cuts without effecting opening hours, unless they get rid of security guards but that would be silly.
I only know of superstores and extras. Haven’t heard anything about express
Thanks Dave.
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 02-02-21, 02:25PM
In terms of reduction in range and simpler plans I've seen that touted quite a few times and then they'll go thrDough a range change and we seemingly end up with a tonne of new lines that don't sell :D.
I defy anyone from HO to walk into my store and tell me how our Pies & Savouries and Fresh Sausages mod are 'simpler' ??? ...
Hmmm for last few years i see reductions in range. But truth is that since i work i our store i never seen so many lines. Range increased and on top of it we have some lines coming for some promos but then lie in warehouse for weeks before RTC.
The only thing that changed significantly is delivery size. For ex when we had 25 cages of dairy on average for bussy night today is 18 but it takes one or even two more people to work it ;D :D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D :D and i hear about reduction in repl. Wierd is this world. :)
Think they are trying to move more ambient products on to sell from MU or pallet. Unsure how many lines will go like this, but if you look at the discounters the model seems to work - just stock for example one type of tin tomato and sell it in bulk.
Quote from: londoner83 on 03-02-21, 06:57PM
Think it's actually more than half as cash usage has massively declined. Will be interesting from a IDQ point if the card tills are empty yet 5 people are queuing on the cash till.
I was told 75% of main bank going card only. All self service will also be put into card only mode.
Hours to be cut from TS will be offered hours elsewhere within business with pay protection...
Trustworthy ? (https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=17510.0)
"Hours to be cut from TS will be offered hours elsewhere within business with pay protection..."
Pay protection, you think 8-)
Is it going to be a soft change or will redundancy be offered re cash office
No redundancies, all soft structure. Our cash office only lost 2.5 hours and our cash office colleagues both do checkouts, self service, CSD and PFS as needed once finished in the cash office. It’s a mixture as they do the rounds covering breaks. I’m not saying that your store will expect this but there is nothing wrong in spending time on a till after finishing in cash office. This was once not allowed but as we now have smart tills and cctv there is nothing wrong in processing your own transactions next day.
More cuts to cash office then ?
Quote from: Redshoes on 06-02-21, 03:16AM
No redundancies, all soft structure.
There might no be redundancies beacuse tesco might accually push us to do cleaners job. Last night had info from Mitie manager that local Extra (Bristol) been briefed about it. It's a leak and no specifics but our cleaning crew is scared for their jobs now. They just await for more details what is going on.
Quote from: William91 on 05-02-21, 09:32PM
Quote from: londoner83 on 03-02-21, 06:57PM
Think it's actually more than half as cash usage has massively declined. Will be interesting from a IDQ point if the card tills are empty yet 5 people are queuing on the cash till.
I was told 75% of main bank going card only. All self service will also be put into card only mode.
Hours to be cut from TS will be offered hours elsewhere within business with pay protection...
If that happens there will be a lot of unhappy people at our store, We have a lot of cash tansactions through self service.
Quote from: Nomad on 05-02-21, 09:54PM
Trustworthy ? (https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=17510.0)
"Hours to be cut from TS will be offered hours elsewhere within business with pay protection..."
Pay protection, you think 8-)
lol 25% of the difference is protected for 4 years and that errodes by 25% a year then to really stick the boot on no pay rise until you are on pay parity with your colleagues.
its pretty worthless
Does anybody know the full changes happening in large stores? I’ve heard some rumours but not sure if they are store specific. Are all stores loosing team support hours, cash office hours csd hours, and some tills going card only? changing rooms closing?
In our pathetic store half of the tills are going card only, checkouts, trollies & csd losing hours. Don’t know where they get their figures from but Friday & Saturday afternoons we only have 1 person contracted so overtime is used to get another colleague to work
(Only when overtime isn’t cut) friday’s & Saturdays are our busiest days. It’s a complete joke 😡
Why do we still employ trolley collectors? Most discounters survive with people getting their own trolley from the car park when they park up. Yes it would lead to a few moans but people would adapt....
Obviously could then use the staff for tasks inside, rumbling, tidying or filling.
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
Hypothetically speaking, if my friend was on a full-time contract on Fruit & Veg replenishment and Fruit and Veg had been assigned as 'over hours', could some of my friends hours be forcefully moved onto Dotcom picking and have the remainder of her hours left on Fruit and Veg? Just interested to know what the official line is? This is something that's apparently happening in several stores now following the conference calls last week. Let's just assume that the days and shift patterns were to be pretty much the same. Thanks :)
Yes to the last post.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
“Thicky cleanersâ€
some of them are probably smarter than you
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
Given the fact we are in the middle of a pandemic then I would say cleaners are integral and you referring to them as "thicky" shows you to be a rather unpleasant individual.
I'd hazard a guess and say that phrase was intented as a hypothetical thought from management.
Has anyone got any information regarding whether they will cease 24 hours opening permanently?
Quote from: penguin on 09-02-21, 07:04PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
Given the fact we are in the middle of a pandemic then I would say cleaners are integral and you referring to them as "thicky" shows you to be a rather unpleasant individual.
Thanks penguin
This is probably the type of person who tries to command respect on the shop floor yet doesn’t give it out when talking behind other people’s backs. Usually they think they are one of the boys and end up becoming management and think everyone’s a jobsworth other than a few mates on the shopfloor.
Quote from: alf on 09-02-21, 07:14PM
I'd hazard a guess and say that phrase was intented as a hypothetical thought from management.
Glad someone realised
Quote from: penguin on 09-02-21, 07:04PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
Given the fact we are in the middle of a pandemic then I would say cleaners are integral and you referring to them as "thicky" shows you to be a rather unpleasant individual.
He was saying hyoothetically what the stereotypical arrogant Tesco manager would say, not his own opinion. As shown by "For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy."
Though I think having the coin in cart Aldi system would be a good move.
Please can someone clarify.
What hours are being cut from what department?
Are the checkouts going to be open only 8am - 10pm?
What is happening to CSD?
Thank you.
Surely it's different from store to store as to hours etc. Whether they had been cut back recently etc.
We have had vacancies ignored for a while, only one trolley guy 8 to 4 nowadays, in the evenings one of the checkouts staff is given half an hour to do the best he can.
I have specifically read a document called 'Service Delivery Model'
I only got a glimpse of it:
No more flower wrapping at CSD.
No more changing rooms.
Checkouts to open 8am - 10pm.
What is the rest of the info??
Surely someone has information?
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 09-02-21, 09:01PM
Please can someone clarify.
What hours are being cut from what department?
Are the checkouts going to be open only 8am - 10pm?
What is happening to CSD?
Thank you.
It depends on trade in your store. My store is going self service only until 8am and again after 10pm. Reliefs for the odd trolley when needed, filling up bags and till rolls etc to be done during the day.
Change run single person if done when store is closed and dependant upon size of cash office.
CSD moves to more single person but depends on trade.
Less cash and different shopping trends. Less people shopping daily but bigger trolleys when they do. Bigger trolleys generally means card payment. More people using cards during COVID.
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 09-02-21, 09:44PM
I have specifically read a document called 'Service Delivery Model'
I only got a glimpse of it:
No more flower wrapping at CSD.
No more changing rooms.
Checkouts to open 8am - 10pm.
What is the rest of the info??
Surely someone has information?
The heat map has hours built in for certain tasks. Things like flower wrapping has been removed as out of date service. There used to be a time when a days overtime was put in for flower wrapping at valentines etc. Not seen that in years.
It's all store specific. If your tills are busy 6-8am they will remain open. If you have lots of cash payments you won't have many card only tills installed and vice versa.
My store is over-hours on fresh night team and with no extra staff needed on grocery.
The fresh night team are expected to split 50+ cages on friday night,team fill at least one aisle.
Finish up to 15 + cages backstock while working those 50+ cages.
They want us to do this with only 4 staff.
We have 7 on friday atm.
They want at least 3 fresh staff to go.
Job cuts may happen if they do not leave.
All this is due to a someone at head office with a pocket calculator-a cage of ready meals takes x number of mins etc.
Quote from: thefatcontroller on 09-02-21, 06:24PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
“Thicky cleanersâ€
some of them are probably smarter than you
Yes they are, Sarcasm does not come across well on the internet.
Yes if you read it properly then it’s clear he was sticking up for trolley guys.
Back to my main point:
Higher up staff have been emailed two documents:
Service delivery model - has the planned changes and explanations.
Moving hours - is on help centre.
Can someone find the service delivery model document, a manager or someone that is a union rep probably has it.
Then either post it on here or get screenshots/highlights, something. I want to read it.
Thank you.
Quote from: forrestgimp on 10-02-21, 11:38AM
Quote from: thefatcontroller on 09-02-21, 06:24PM
Quote from: forrestgimp on 08-02-21, 10:34PM
Use the staff for other tasks.... How many trolley collectors do you think there are? I would say more often than not its one person and a lot of time its no one assigned to it.
Couple that with the abuse we get when there is no trolley outside the door waiting to be used from customers who think its ok to walk past every trolley bay to the front of the store ignoring all the empty trolleys only to get super irate at there being non in arms reach.
For my money the trolley person is one of the most important people in store along with the cleaners who keep the shop looking clean and tidy.
Not what management think obviously I mean thicky cleaners being integral to the running of the store...god forbid.
“Thicky cleanersâ€
some of them are probably smarter than you
Yes they are, Sarcasm does not come across well on the internet.
I knew what you meant
Move on, please.
Hi Nomad.
From march 1st flower wrapping gone. No cash back at our store. They saying if a Tesco has an ATM then no cash back in shop. A few of the main bank tills will be card only. Heat map will come down by week 3. Right hrs right place chip and pin will go from £45 to £100 And there's more coming soon.
Hi again.
The second anyone knows what’s happening to hours on the front end.
Please post it here.
Thank you.
It will all be store specific. For example one store may only have tills open 8am till 10pm with 50% going card only whilst another will still have tills open 6am till midnight with just a couple of card only tills.
With more and more customers using cards to pay, hours will be lost for tasks such as change run, cash office and even for tender time (as its quicker to tap a card than to count out a handful of change)
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
That doesn’t sound right. Moving from nights to days is grounds for redundancy. If you remember back to when replen was moved onto days. Same thing.
He will maybe be offered alternative hours on nights
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
Lol it doesnt work like that, he will get redundancy if he doesnt want to go onto days. Unless he has worked for Tesco for less than 2 years that may make a difference but without looking into it I cant say for sure.
Generally speaking days to nights or vice versa is a redundancy situation, i.e. it has to be offered to the employee.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/leaving-a-job/redundancy/check-if-your-redundancy-is-fair/fair-redundancy-process/ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/leaving-a-job/redundancy/check-if-your-redundancy-is-fair/fair-redundancy-process/)
QuoteYour employer has to follow a fair redundancy process if you'll have worked for them for at least 2 years by the time your job ends. If you've worked for your employer for less than 2 years your employer doesn't need a redundancy process and doesn't have to meet you individually. ...
Thank you for this info.
Please post here any info you find out about what is happening.
What is happening on CSD? Will they be closing early etc?
Thank you.
Quote from: Call me on 10-02-21, 06:45PM
From march 1st flower wrapping gone. No cash back at our store. They saying if a Tesco has an ATM then no cash back in shop. A few of the main bank tills will be card only. Heat map will come down by week 3. Right hrs right place chip and pin will go from £45 to £100 And there's more coming soon.
Don't do flower wrapping at all here and can't recall it being the case when I previously visited as a customer.
Cashback is important we we only have one ATM, surprising considering the banks are touting cashback to be available to ensure people have access to it.
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
They will probably back down if he knows his rights, same happened with one of our PFS staff who worked 30 hours, was offered an 8 hour contract no other option, said no, magically they found him 30 hours.
Our night checkout staff have been moved around, they used to have 2 staff on checkouts overnight, now from 1am-6am they do putbacks and fill one aisle (which they aren't pleased about!).
As for CSD on one person only, fine until they get a couple of customers with price label enquiries or F11s and the queue builds up.
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
I went through a similar thing just over 2yrs ago when they got rid of non-food nightshift. I was f&f nightshift , I got offered other hours on days which I refused then other hours on nights , I was told it was a different situation and although I fought them for over a year they refused to offer me redundancy. They tried everything to get me to take s &r nights , in the end I did move 54weeks after it first started but not to anywhere they originally wanted me to and I also grievanced 4 members of senior team including store manager to get the job I actually agreed to . So it's not always as simple as nights to days is a redundancy situation. by the way the union were worse than useless.
Citizens Advice Bureau, you can't trust the union.
CSD at my store is already one person only.
I they going to change the opening hours of CSD?
Does anyone know?
We have been told too many people work a certain day on checkouts. They are looking to move people to different days. My question is can they make you move and then move someone else into your hours?
Quote from: Welshie on 11-02-21, 12:09PM
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
I went through a similar thing just over 2yrs ago when they got rid of non-food nightshift. I was f&f nightshift , I got offered other hours on days which I refused then other hours on nights , I was told it was a different situation and although I fought them for over a year they refused to offer me redundancy. They tried everything to get me to
take s &r nights , in the end I did move 54weeks after it first started but not to anywhere they originally wanted me to and I also grievanced 4 members of senior team including store manager to get the job I actually agreed to . So it's not always as simple as nights to days is a redundancy situation. by the way the union were worse than useless.
The member ot staff, who has 20+ years service and was a rep for years says that the law/or rule changed not long ago, which means moving from nights to days is no longer a redundancy option. Uness it is a major business reconstruction, and tesco offer you hours elsewhere(days and or reduced hours) then they wont offer redundancy. He says he will try and get help elsewhere, as he said the union just agreed with what he was told by a manger. Surprise surprise.
What you posted is at odds with what is currently published on the government website regarding redundancies, an established night worker being made to go from working nights to working days wouldn't pass the reasonability test if it went to court.
Unfortunately for it to go to court you have to take it to the point where Tesco sack you for not moving or leave . Not everyone can afford to do that and that is why Tesco get away with it .
NightAndDay & Welshie I believe you both to be mainly correct, all anybody can do is give those who may have a problem is the information, or a guide to where it can be found, to confront the problem. Union, ACAS, CAB or all sources of information on redundancy. The person should decide how far and how long they want to pursue their rights.
https://www.acas.org.uk/your-rights-during-redundancy/taking-another-job-with-your-employer (https://www.acas.org.uk/your-rights-during-redundancy/taking-another-job-with-your-employer)
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/leaving-a-job/redundancy/your-employer-offers-you-another-job/ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/leaving-a-job/redundancy/your-employer-offers-you-another-job/)Mentioned in this (step 3) is that ACAS operate a free conciliation service. Also details how to contact them.
The most important thing to do is hold your nerve. If you are being told its not a redundancy situation and you can clearly show that it is that is probably because your team manager has been told this and is simply parroting it.
What you need to do is just stick to your guns and you will eventually get the redundancy because those who make the decisions are not at store level and will know they are wrong.
They do this becuase because they hope people just accept it get upset at the prospect of losing their job and go along with whatever is offered.
In fact, does it not have to effect a good amount of people before it’s a redundancy situation? If it’s only one person then some legal loopholes to jump around
It's either a redundancy situation or unfair dismissal, if the role is no longer there, it is redundancy, no matter how many effected, if there is 35 of the same role reduced to 34, the 1 person could be in a redundancy situation, most of the time, the reasonable alternative job offer is used to cancel out the redundancy situation, but even so, the offered alternative has to be reasonable, if it forces an established night worker to move to days, that's not reasonable, likewise if there's a reduction in hours or pay and travel distance is significantly further than how far you have to travel to get to work currently, that's also not reasonable, finally if the job offered is above or below your current skill level or seniority, it also may not be reasonable (the exception is if they "promote" you as well to a position thet reasonably expect you to be able to do based on current track record.)
They can offer, but to be forced into a position outwith your field of expertise is unreasonable.
To expect a butcher or baker to become a candlestick maker, so to speak.
Our department was loosing hours , the heat map strikes again , so if the department is over hours , I would say that is a redundancy situation, would anyone agree ? Our job role is csd , we are on a higher pay grade so to move to another department would not be a fair move or would it ? I
They will probably offer some form of pay protection to move you to another department.
@londoner83, what good is that is that can cancel the deal, like they are trying in distribution?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d416be3e5274a0a1caaa7c2/Mrs_D_Escott_v_Tesco_Judgment_1601642.2018_-_Judgment_Written_Reasons_25_July_2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjxnufzj-juAhUQTxUIHVMWD6EQFjADegQIHRAB&usg=AOvVaw1XMXOyS9jvDE1TNs5ipQbm
If anyone wants to see in-depth legal analysis for how Tesco forcing unreasonable changes could go down in court.
She had to resign to chase a constructive unfair dimissal case . Not everyone can afford to do that .
Reality is you fight to get the best outcome for you and your circumstances, if you can afford to leave/be sacked and take it further , then great but if you can't and they are telling you it's not a redundancy situation then just try to fight to get the best hours/department that suit you .
Quote from: beahead on 13-02-21, 01:32PM
Our department was loosing hours , the heat map strikes again , so if the department is over hours , I would say that is a redundancy situation, would anyone agree ? Our job role is csd , we are on a higher pay grade so to move to another department would not be a fair move or would it ? I
No redundancies on offer, it’s a soft structure change. If you are on old system you get you skill pay no matter what you do. In the new system you get skill pay for the time you are using your skills. There is always a pay protection that is built into any structure change.
But what if you can't do the other jobs available ?
Quote from: Welshie on 14-02-21, 01:49AM
She had to resign to chase a constructive unfair dimissal case . Not everyone can afford to do that .
Reality is you fight to get the best outcome for you and your circumstances, if you can afford to leave/be sacked and take it further , then great but if you can't and they are telling you it's not a redundancy situation then just try to fight to get the best hours/department that suit you .
I believe it is the case recently that it doesn't cost anything to take your employer to court, this was after backlash that justice shouldn't be out of reach to those that can't afford it. Usually it's the case nowadays that the employer fronts the legal costs if they lose the case.
Though yes, not being in paid employment while chasing this isn't something everyone can do.
I have a question. So when they did dual site managers a few years ago and decided not to carry on with it but kept the ones they did in place. Does that help them with what they are trying to do now ?
It’s not to be enforced. If you can and do move, that’s it done with. If you refuse an offered job that job does not hang in balance waiting for you. It’s offered to others. If you refuse jobs it’s all documented but it’s still not forced. You stay in hours/job you have. Beyond that there are a load of if’s and but’s. It could eventually go to redundancy but then only if jobs you have refused have been deemed as unsuitable. Long way from that though.
Manager been pulled into meeting at this morning been told brief is coming tomorrow
team supports are being moved to service team support and will deal with checkouts, CSD kiosk and PFS
As I said previously, massive structural change has happened, all stores will be communicated with in the morning, as said in previous post, team support is back in all areas, reductions in senior and team managers.
I did say it would happen end of January, only 4 weeks out
Meh. As long as it's just managers and not real workers, who cares? :)
Quote from: VladPutin on 01-03-21, 06:30PM
Meh. As long as it's just managers and not real workers, who cares? :)
Yeah who cares that managers lose their job in the middle of a pandemic and may struggle to then pay their mortgage or feed their kids. What a tosser.
Well done nighthawk. I totally agreed with you back at the beginning of jan. I would imagine that nights will get a wee visit tonight or one early tomorrow morning.
Days will be tomorrow.
Quote from: Nighthawk on 01-03-21, 06:07PM
As I said previously, massive structural change has happened, all stores will be communicated with in the morning, as said in previous post, team support is back in all areas, reductions in senior and team managers.
I did say it would happen end of January, only 4 weeks out
It was always a question of when rather than if, a lot of us seen this coming for a good few years now.
Quote from: emma070706 on 01-03-21, 06:33PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 01-03-21, 06:30PM
Meh. As long as it's just managers and not real workers, who cares? :)
Yeah who cares that managers lose their job in the middle of a pandemic and may struggle to then pay their mortgage or feed their kids. What a tosser.
I've been let down too many times by managers to give a toss about them or their families. So if you listen really closely, you might just be able to make out me playing the world's smallest violin for them. 8-)
After 42 years in the business, feel like my heart has been ripped out, feel like more workload added, and no way of raising any concerns. Feel like the union have just accepted the change as well, without any consideration on the impact
The company is on a very slippery slope and spiralling out of control. Cut, cut, seems to be the norm now, and never mind the employees,
Very disappointing day
After 42 years in the business, feel like my heart has been ripped out, feel like more workload added, and no way of raising any concerns. Feel like the union have just accepted the change as well, without any consideration on the impact
The company is on a very slippery slope and spiralling out of control. Cut, cut, seems to be the norm now, and never mind the employees, >:D >:D
Very disappointing day
Quote from: VladPutin on 01-03-21, 10:23PM
Quote from: emma070706 on 01-03-21, 06:33PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 01-03-21, 06:30PM
Meh. As long as it's just managers and not real workers, who cares? :)
Yeah who cares that managers lose their job in the middle of a pandemic and may struggle to then pay their mortgage or feed their kids. What a tosser.
I've been let down too many times by managers to give a toss about them or their families. So if you listen really closely, you might just be able to make out me playing the world's smallest violin for them. 8-)
So because a couple of managers have let you down over the years, they all deserve to be jobless? What a delightful chap.
You'll get used to him and his ReAL WoRKeR drivel.
Team 5 briefing;
Reduction in managers, managers to be responsible for same headcount.
No more department managers.
Going to be team managers.
Also shift leaders and service team support introduced.
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What exactly is happening with this structure change? Are people losing their jobs? Does anyone have any info?
Just like the bakers last year Tosco couldn’t care less
Quote from: emma070706 on 01-03-21, 06:33PM
Quote from: VladPutin on 01-03-21, 06:30PM
Meh. As long as it's just managers and not real workers, who cares? :)
Yeah who cares that managers lose their job in the middle of a pandemic and may struggle to then pay their mortgage or feed their kids. What a tosser.
Out of interest, are they planning on announcing it publicly, or they going to leave people in the dark as usual? ???
I imagine if it makes headlines (Tesco to cut x number of jobs), similarly to how the Asda cuts have, then they'll have no choice but to update everyone ASAP.
It’s time to consider balloting for strike action. We need to show everyone that us Tesco shelf fillers are not worthless. We like our jobs. We want to be treated with respect and dignity.
Ballot for strike action. Talk to your reps.
changes in management structure in all superstores and extras.
everything is store - dependant so wait for info from sm.
definitely no redundancies.
as this is all 'soft touch', there is no compulsion.
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 02-03-21, 06:56PM
It’s time to consider balloting for strike action. We need to show everyone that us Tesco shelf fillers are not worthless. We like our jobs. We want to be treated with respect and dignity.
Ballot for strike action. Talk to your reps.
What is it you are upset about? Is your role affected? Have you not been briefed? Colleagues on here said they were asked to go in off days off to be briefed and now have the information.
Quote from: alf on 02-03-21, 12:58AM
You'll get used to him and his ReAL WoRKeR drivel.
Go and take another tea break - sorry, "meeting". I'm sure you've only had half a dozen today. ;)
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 02-03-21, 01:06AM
Team 5 briefing;
Reduction in managers, managers to be responsible for same headcount.
No more department managers.
Going to be team managers.
Also shift leaders and service team support introduced.
Meh. The only thing I need a manager for is to approve my holiday requests. This won't make any real difference to my day to day job. To use the American phrase, this is a Nothing-Burger.
So checkout team supports now being asked to support CSD and PFS as well? Are there any stores where that isn't already the case?? I certainly know in all the stores I have worked in it was pretty much a given that we were basically expected to do the jobs of all 3 of those departments managers :D
Agreed
We do in our store
Quote from: checkoutmonkey on 03-03-21, 08:17PM
So checkout team supports now being asked to support CSD and PFS as well? Are there any stores where that isn't already the case?? I certainly know in all the stores I have worked in it was pretty much a given that we were basically expected to do the jobs of all 3 of those departments managers :D
Are team support loosing their jobs or having to reapply for new role?
Quote from: Penny on 03-03-21, 10:26PM
Are team support loosing their jobs or having to reapply for new role?
Not losing their jobs re-apply.
Role is changing and is more demanding. Look up the earlier post for the new role pack which will guide you through the requirements. As it's a change there is a buy out option will be explained in your 121
Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
This is total codswallop...has to be like for like..tell him to go and read employment law..if he is contracted to 36.5 hours and they are offering him less hours ..they have broken their side of the contract...redundancy is on the table...do not be bullied by these arseholes..
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Quote from: Johnzo88 on 11-02-21, 09:01AM
Guy who works checkouts/self scan from 10-7 on nights has been told his job is going soon. Will be offered hours on days, but wont be his 36.5hrs he does on nights. Told no redundancy or protected pay. Take what he is offered or leave. That sound about right?
I went through a similar thing just over 2yrs ago when they got rid of non-food nightshift. I was f&f nightshift , I got offered other hours on days which I refused then other hours on nights , I was told it was a different situation and although I fought them for over a year they refused to offer me redundancy. They tried everything to get me to
take s &r nights , in the end I did move 54weeks after it first started but not to anywhere they originally wanted me to and I also grievanced 4 members of senior team including store manager to get the job I actually agreed to . So it's not always as simple as nights to days is a redundancy situation. by the way the union were worse than useless.
The member ot staff, who has 20+ years service and was a rep for years says that the law/or rule changed not long ago, which means moving from nights to days is no longer a redundancy option. Uness it is a major business reconstruction, and tesco offer you hours elsewhere(days and or reduced hours) then they wont offer redundancy. He says he will try and get help elsewhere, as he said the union just agreed with what he was told by a manger. Surprise surprise.
The job role has to be like for like...and they cannot take hours off you .. it is breach of contract and your are entitled to redundancy..
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Are team support loosing their jobs or having to reapply for new role?
Not losing their jobs re-apply.
Role is changing and is more demanding. Look up the earlier post for the new role pack which will guide you through the requirements. As it's a change there is a buy out option will be explained in your 121
Had my brief with another colleague and rep and was told we are having a name change and about added responsibilities but wasnt gd we have to reapply or anything else so where did you here this?
The guy working nights but being offered days.
Unless you agree to it, this is a totally unreasonable change that you can not be forced to accept. Definitely a redundancy situation if the night role no longer exists.
There have to be space in the store hours for shift leaders. In certain parts of the country the turnover is much slower so the soft structure changes will take longer to land. It could even be years away. There are no redundancies on offer, only protected pay or lump sum compensation.
Moving from team support to shift lead will be a small or huge change depending on store. The team support premium pay was for fulfilling set tasks and most work at the required level but not all. The premium pay is not for being at the back of the checkouts and fetching replacement items and sending people on breaks. It is a much bigger role than this. If the team support were doing the full role the move to shift leader will require training but they will be fine. If at the other end of the scale the change would be huge.
In many stores it's a mute point though as there are not he hours within the structure. If the store has more managers than required in the new structure they won't get shift leaders.
There will be runners for checkouts. This will be to fetch items and send people on breaks etc but no tablet work. No booking overtime, no flexi sheets being filled out, no exceptions etc. When we move to Work & Pay the exceptions go to the manger on the tablet, not sure about flexi sheets. I am not in a trial store but assume flexi sheets are on the way out as it is a lot of work and all on paper and we are moving away from this.
The change run has become smaller. My guess is all self service tills will go card only in time. A fraction of the change is being added to the tills, may not even be needed daily. The close down is a simple procedure. The PFS colleagues do own tills as colleagues so could be the same for main bank.
Mangers become team managers and the head count (excluding dot.com) will be spread evenly between managers. No longer having one manager with 60 colleagues and another manager with 4. Managers will need to be skilled in more areas and work together. Tablet work being spread between managers by head count. Holidays being booked by head count. Managers accountable and fulfilling manager role but where top heavy with managers in stores they will also have to deliver the shift lead role.
It does appear that a considerable number of people should be seeking advice from the like of ACAS, CAB or employment solicitors in matters related to redundancy and/or unfair dismissal.
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Quote from: Redshoes on 04-03-21, 06:51AM
There have to be space in the store hours for shift leaders. In certain parts of the country the turnover is much slower so the soft structure changes will take longer to land. It could even be years away. There are no redundancies on offer, only protected pay or lump sum compensation.
Moving from team support to shift lead will be a small or huge change depending on store. The team support premium pay was for fulfilling set tasks and most work at the required level but not all. The premium pay is not for being at the back of the checkouts and fetching replacement items and sending people on breaks. It is a much bigger role than this. If the team support were doing the full role the move to shift leader will require training but they will be fine. If at the other end of the scale the change would be huge.
In many stores it's a mute point though as there are not he hours within the structure. If the store has more managers than required in the new structure they won't get shift leaders.
There will be runners for checkouts. This will be to fetch items and send people on breaks etc but no tablet work. No booking overtime, no flexi sheets being filled out, no exceptions etc. When we move to Work & Pay the exceptions go to the manger on the tablet, not sure about flexi sheets. I am not in a trial store but assume flexi sheets are on the way out as it is a lot of work and all on paper and we are moving away from this.
The change run has become smaller. My guess is all self service tills will go card only in time. A fraction of the change is being added to the tills, may not even be needed daily. The close down is a simple procedure. The PFS colleagues do own tills as colleagues so could be the same for main bank.
Mangers become team managers and the head count (excluding dot.com) will be spread evenly between managers. No longer having one manager with 60 colleagues and another manager with 4. Managers will need to be skilled in more areas and work together. Tablet work being spread between managers by head count. Holidays being booked by head count. Managers accountable and fulfilling manager role but where top heavy with managers in stores they will also have to deliver the shift lead role.
You say there will be runners for front end. Will this be offered in your 121 and any clue as to what hrly rate they would be on?
From what my people person told me, it would be a drop to GA wage with either a payout or a 13/18 month pay protection (Can't remember the exact number of months).
Are these runners in superstores or extras?
I feel I could be forced to step up as I would be losing 175 a month if I dropped down to ga rate. Do you also mean the runner would just be a ga rate? Why would anyone want the stress of dealing with queues and sorting breaks without impacting service on a ga rate.
I work in an express store and we have had our budget totally butchered. We now have zero overtime. But staff are still expected to do everything by themselves.
Till users are expected to come off and work cages, bread, milk and clean. Even worse we just had new self serves fitted and they are card only. So the till user is rooted to the till.
This leads to nothing being done and customers complaining and walking out.
All the role packs for large stores have now disappeared from out Tesco......
They are still there....I've just looked.
Whether they are there or not I don't think much can be done now.
Seems union and Tesco are finalised,
Although my team support job is going, too small for service leaders to come in and too many managers for a shift leader job to come up as of yet.
My store is well and truly sunk me down the plug hole.
Store manager says I HAVE to do off till activities with same shifts as I was on before otherwise there is no job there for me.
Anyone shed some light in all this being correct?
Will you be on the same pay for off till activity?
Quote from: Justwaiting on 05-03-21, 06:18PM
Will you be on the same pay for off till activity?
Off till activity is now GA wage. No upskill pay
Are you getting protected pay or a balloon payment?
I will be taking buy out. If shift leaders come in place and I change to shift leader protective pay is null and void. Many things shifting me to buy out
Just read about a driver team support. Been told the role has gone, how can they get away with this.....if your team support role has gone they have to offer redundancy. It's time people took legal advice.
Quote from: Justwaiting on 05-03-21, 06:30PM
Just read about a driver team support. Been told the role has gone, how can they get away with this.....if your team support role has gone they have to offer redundancy. It's time people took legal advice.
They've given us a balloon payment and the same hours and job but with GA rates.
Could I request redundancy and a job as GA after that?
No, they say there's no redundancy on offer but if your job is gone legally they have to offer it but then you would be unemployed.
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Current climate is rather keep a job than not
I wonder why these changes are happening now!!! >:D
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Because they remembered we are just numbers not people
Quote from: Stubbo on 05-03-21, 05:49PM
They are still there....I've just looked.
Can you link says page not available when I search
Our tesco, working at tesco, careers, role packs, large store. Sorry unable to link.
Runners are still needed, will be at colleague level. No skill payment as some tasks have been removed. Not sure what tasks yer as full list of tasks is not down until week 3.
Depending on the area you live and work will be key to how quickly or slowly the shift leads come in. An area with a high turn over will slip into having shift leads much quicker.
There has been a pause on change to manager role. The evenly dividing up of teams has gone and managers become Team Managers but roughly stay as they are. The impact to front end is bigger because the front end manager has gone back to a higher head count but no team support. No idea if this is a temporary hold or total change back.
If I was a soon to be ex Team Support I would keep my options open. I understand and sympathise with change but if you want to go for shift lead you need to keep yourself in the running. It might be weeks, months or years before shift leads come in but let's get through the weeks and months first. If it does go to years you can then decide to step back but if you do that now and they bring the role in you may have excluded yourself from applying.
As an ex TS it all goes on points as to who gets the shift leader jobs. Having a live warning will put you down the list but some other things will score you points for example. Manager will be offered shift lead jobs first. There is a very strict pecking order. Some may decide to step down but I suspect not many.
What about the service team support role?
This all sounds like smoke and mirrors to me, Tesco saying 'this is what we want but we are not making people redundant' so nothing changes until people leave, which with managers will pretty much be never. Lead managers nope dont need them but we will wait till you leave in 30 years time.
The only people getting shafted are checkout and driver team support. Less money different job take it or leave it.
QuoteBefore your employer makes you redundant they might offer you another job in the organisation. This is called 'suitable alternative employment'.
Tell your employer in writing if you decide to accept the alternative job. Ask for a new contract, new job description and any changes to your terms and conditions, for example your pay.
You might not want the alternative job - for example if it pays less or it's a different type of work. You might be able to get redundancy pay instead if you have a good reason to refuse the job. To get redundancy pay you'll need to have worked for your employer for at least 2 years by the time your original job ends.
If it was me I would be asking myself if it is reasonable to remove my job pay me less money amd tell me to suck it up buttercup, I would be pushing for redundancy.
Quote from: Stubbo on 05-03-21, 09:50PM
What about the service team support role?
Not all stores are getting the service shift lead role. It's only the stores that take more than 600,000 a wk. Exact figure might be wrong but it is something like that. I think there might be a possibility of things being modified as the change to managers has been modified.
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You are correct on 600,000 a week. Ours and another store in our group are losing them.
Quote from: Redshoes on 05-03-21, 09:36PM
There has been a pause on change to manager role. The evenly dividing up of teams has gone and managers become Team Managers but roughly stay as they are. The impact to front end is bigger because the front end manager has gone back to a higher head count but no team support. No idea if this is a temporary hold or total change back.
Where have you heard this? Apart from the brief being read out, I've heard nothing from either my lead or SM all week and no answers provided to questions asked. We're a bit in limbo in our store waiting to hear how we're impacted. Dotcom TS have had their 1:1 but everyone else has been left wondering.
As far as I know, the change to managers roles is only until after Easter then it changes?
It changes for team leaders and managers after 10th or 11th April.
There have been revised changes for managers but I think a lot of that is up to the store manager.
Brief 1 - head count even distributed between managers. Everybody just becomes Team Managers. Reality is that checkout manager no longer has self service or off till activities as having checkouts alone puts the head count about the advised maximum 38.
Brief 2 - Due to the splitting up of areas it does not make sense for self service and scan as you shop colleagues to be split from checkouts. A grocery manager for example is not best placed to take on these colleagues. Role still becomes Team Managers but front end retain all areas they had before brief 1 so head count is way above the advised maximum 38. Some managers will have 5 colleagues and others 60.
Dot.com has own stand alone brief.
So supposedly with the 2 year pay protection, it may not be 2 years protection as there is talk of it being incrementally reduced every 6 months until the 2 years are up.
Any clarification on this as its been said by a union rep in my store.
This would also mean its not pay protection in the slightest!!!!!
Quote from: Redshoes on 07-03-21, 09:36AM
Brief 2 - Due to the splitting up of areas it does not make sense for self service and scan as you shop colleagues to be split from checkouts. A grocery manager for example is not best placed to take on these colleagues. Role still becomes Team Managers but front end retain all areas they had before brief 1 so head count is way above the advised maximum 38. Some managers will have 5 colleagues and others 60.
So nothing changes nothing what so ever.
So it would seem. Original change has been changed. So it's just a new job title for managers now and a bigger role for the old checkout manger.
We don't have the full brief on what tasks come under off till activities yet though.
We must seriously start balloting for strike action.
Instead of writing essays on here.
Do not cross the picket lines.
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Colleague 3000000 , with Usdaw you can't strike it was written out the agreement years ago , no one would walk out on strike , people are to worried for there jobs
Quote from: Colleague 3000000 on 08-03-21, 11:02AM
We must seriously start balloting for strike action.
Instead of writing essays on here.
Do not cross the picket lines.
First step would be to get rid of USDAW as the recognised union and get the ball rolling for another union to be recognised by Tesco, this would cancel the partnership agreement and then would be able to hamstring Tesco with Strike action.
Time for people to suck it up and have their medicine, talk of strike action is too late. What about the poor folks who lost their jobs in previous years. Managers have known this has been coming for years, they can't touch the bottom level of staff anymore so they have stepped up the next tier. The executioners are now being executed.
Firstly i am sure that tesco have checked and made sure it is not a redundency situation ,a manager for instance managing one area can manage another and grocery manager to team manager is just change of title.
However i dont really see the point of keeping the staff and moving them around in preference to redundancy in a lot of cases the redundency payment will barely equal the wages for that person over a year against paying the new rate + the retained pay and still having the same head count.
We need to ballot for strike action!
Sorry, its not been said for about 3 hours.
Im worried that we might be missing a chance to debate something that is not going to happen.
Quote from: Paulie on 08-03-21, 02:32PM
Time for people to suck it up and have their medicine, talk of strike action is too late. What about the poor folks who lost their jobs in previous years. Managers have known this has been coming for years, they can't touch the bottom level of staff anymore so they have stepped up the next tier. The executioners are now being executed.
In what way are managers being as you put it executed?
Lets look at the facts.
Fact 1....... No manager is going to lose their job
Fact 2...... Managers are going from being a fresh or grocery or any other type of manager to just a Manager with the same pay same perks same everything.
Fact 3..... Checkout team support is no more, you either if one is available take the new shift leader job with massively more rquirements a bigger role with more responsibility and perhaps slightly more pay.
Fact 4.... If no Shift leader role is available you go back on the checkouts take a paycut (with protection) and still have to do off till jobs for no extra money and take the responsibility on with that in mind.
So I have no clue why managers are crying or whatever because other than a name change nothing is happening to them.
re Fact 3 - unlikely that shift leader roles will be available for some time - until manager count is as the company require.
It certainly wont be automatic for team support to be offered these roles. many are doing a job easily done by other CAs i.e. not managing people
you missed off Fact 5 - manager numbers are being drastically reduced; the frustration is that new structure wont be in place until manager levels correct' although you are correct; no managers are being made to lose their jobs, but is still alot of uncertainty around
As mentioned above, the issue is not the title change, it's how Tesco will go about achieving the "natural wastage". They will have something in the pipe work to ensure this happens sooner rather than later.
Are managers being given the chance to step down to shift leader with a pay out/ pay protection? Probably not
Quote from: Davethebave on 10-03-21, 08:05AM
As mentioned above, the issue is not the title change, it's how Tesco will go about achieving the "natural wastage". They will have something in the pipe work to ensure this happens sooner rather than later.
Are managers being given the chance to step down to shift leader with a pay out/ pay protection? Probably not
From the sounds of it the F&F manager in our Extra has been told the shift leader job is hers if she wants and yes its a pay cut.
But in terms of Fresh, Produce and Plant Bread I don't know. Are all 3 of those sections managers just going to become Shift Leaders too or is it just one Shift Leader overseeing all 3 of the Fresh areas?
Still so much they haven't explained which makes it appear as though its not been thought through very well.
The F&F manager should be entitled to stay a manager if they wish to. However, they would be overseeing any area of the store, which they would potentially struggle with as F&F managers hardly ever change roles.
The situation for managers would be a lot better if the payout/pay protection applied to them as-well, as at some stage over the next few years they will become SL anyway
Quote from: Davethebave on 10-03-21, 08:05AM
As mentioned above, the issue is not the title change, it's how Tesco will go about achieving the "natural wastage". They will have something in the pipe work to ensure this happens sooner rather than later.
Are managers being given the chance to step down to shift leader with a pay out/ pay protection? Probably not
Do your job as contracted and you will be fine, if they try to performance manage you then make sure they are doing what they are supposed to in so far as enough staff, allowing the time to do your paperwork and not forcing you to do a multitude of jobs that are not yours but they tell you that you have to.
Remember to performance manage you they have to show they are doing their job with supporting you with yours by giving you the resources you need.
Quote from: Davethebave on 10-03-21, 08:05AM
As mentioned above, the issue is not the title change, it's how Tesco will go about achieving the "natural wastage". They will have something in the pipe work to ensure this happens sooner rather than later.
Are managers being given the chance to step down to shift leader with a pay out/ pay protection? Probably not
Yes they are, however once the consultation is over then that option will be taken away.
However not many managers are going to take that option, so will be sat in current positions for years, unless the new CEO decides to give them the option of redundancy in the next few years.
Remember this structure change would have been signed of by DDave first just like the 2015 structure change was signed off by Clarke.
Now don't get me wrong the new CEO would have been briefed about the upcoming changes however how indepth that would have been we will never know, and once the dust has settled he will probably change things like DDave did once he had settled in.
Quote from: Davethebave on 10-03-21, 08:58AM
The F&F manager should be entitled to stay a manager if they wish to. However, they would be overseeing any area of the store, which they would potentially struggle with as F&F managers hardly ever change roles.
The situation for managers would be a lot better if the payout/pay protection applied to them as-well, as at some stage over the next few years they will become SL anyway
There is to be an f&f shift leader role in the biggest f&f stores. This shift leader wouldn't look after the whole store or open and close, they would just be f&f experts. There is a separate f&f role pack for this.
Are managers able to step down to a colleague role and receive a payout if they don't accept the new team manager role?
In previous restructures the answer to stepping down from manager to colleague role was it would be "voluntary" and therefore no payout.
With regards to those looking for redundancy, I believe the company has been burnt in previous restructures from losing too much of their skill base (compliance, personnel, stock control and bakery restructures for example).
If redundancy was offered to all managers many with years of experience would willingly quit, (costing millions) which would despite what some colleagues think actually cause operational problems instore.
Looking ahead with developments like the till less Amazon store, increasing use of robots and drones in warehouses who knows what the future holds and whether Tesco's position will change. However when hundreds of managers freely quit every year and with development plans for new stores by moving people around the business they could well achieve the new targets at no cost to the business from paying out redundancy.
Any update about GM manager ? my Gm/H&b department have 10 staff ,is my manager is going to be moved?
Quote from: londoner83 on 11-03-21, 07:51AM
With regards to those looking for redundancy, I believe the company has been burnt in previous restructures from losing too much of their skill base (compliance, personnel, stock control and bakery restructures for example).
If redundancy was offered to all managers many with years of experience would willingly quit, (costing millions) which would despite what some colleagues think actually cause operational problems instore.
Looking ahead with developments like the till less Amazon store, increasing use of robots and drones in warehouses who knows what the future holds and whether Tesco's position will change. However when hundreds of managers freely quit every year and with development plans for new stores by moving people around the business they could well achieve the new targets at no cost to the business from paying out redundancy.
They can afford millions, their budget for their head office functions is wasteful and bloated in comparison, it's always been a classist thing. Blue collar worker and semi-skilled managers get treated with more contempt and greater misplaced scrutiny than the white collar consultants and accountants in head office and it shows, especially with the disconnect between how the people up top think operations should happen on a shopfloor and the reality of it without ever stepping foot into one, all their ideas are from the Schemas they designed they only get fed back sales data and statistics, not the hum-drum complaints of the shop floor team.
Our regional union leader has said for us to not accept team support but out or protective pay, anyone else heard this?
Quote from: sam on 11-03-21, 11:42PM
Any update about GM manager ? my Gm/H&b department have 10 staff ,is my manager is going to be moved?
These changes seem to be 'store specific' (if I've understood everything correctly) but I'd hazard a guess and say your manager is more likely to have a few more colleagues to look after besides Health & Beauty/General Merchandise, assuming they agree to the changes.
Please try to understand that the new mgt structure is going to happen within the year. Mgrs are changed to the same job title so that in 6 months time it is easier to manage out the poor ones and keep the good ones. The company has learned that a blanket 'get rid of all' clothing mgrs might mean your getting rid of the best mgrs etc etc. All mgrs will have a matrix of 6 headings and be graded on them. The lowest scores are the ones who will go. Redundancy will be given at this time or stepping down. Much will be made on the 'how' and not the 'what' in your periodic catch ups. Most mgrs fail on the 'how'.
Not being funny mate but why are you saying that like its anything other than your opinion, These are people who have familys, mortgages and lives so spreading unsubstantiated rumors does nothing but cause stress.
Quote from: 5fdp on 15-03-21, 09:31AM
Please try to understand that the new mgt structure is going to happen within the year. Mgrs are changed to the same job title so that in 6 months time it is easier to manage out the poor ones and keep the good ones. The company has learned that a blanket 'get rid of all' clothing mgrs might mean your getting rid of the best mgrs etc etc. All mgrs will have a matrix of 6 headings and be graded on them. The lowest scores are the ones who will go. Redundancy will be given at this time or stepping down. Much will be made on the 'how' and not the 'what' in your periodic catch ups. Most mgrs fail on the 'how'.
"Manage out the poor ones"😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Suppord on 14-03-21, 09:01AM
Our regional union leader has said for us to not accept team support but out or protective pay, anyone else heard this?
Yes, Tesco wants us to agree "informally" so usdaw can't get involved.
Who here is not agreeing to terms then? Three of us out of four are not, store manager making us decide which isn't professional at all.
Is there any managers on here thinking about stepping down to a colleague role throughout this restructure?
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Quote from: londoner83 on 11-03-21, 07:51AM
With regards to those looking for redundancy, I believe the company has been burnt in previous restructures from losing too much of their skill base (compliance, personnel, stock control and bakery restructures for example).
If redundancy was offered to all managers many with years of experience would willingly quit, (costing millions) which would despite what some colleagues think actually cause operational problems instore.
Looking ahead with developments like the till less Amazon store, increasing use of robots and drones in warehouses who knows what the future holds and whether Tesco's position will change. However when hundreds of managers freely quit every year and with development plans for new stores by moving people around the business they could well achieve the new targets at no cost to the business from paying out redundancy.
They can afford millions, their budget for their head office functions is wasteful and bloated in comparison, it's always been a classist thing. Blue collar worker and semi-skilled managers get treated with more contempt and greater misplaced scrutiny than the white collar consultants and accountants in head office and it shows, especially with the disconnect between how the people up top think operations should happen on a shopfloor and the reality of it without ever stepping foot into one, all their ideas are from the Schemas they designed they only get fed back sales data and statistics, not the hum-drum complaints of the shop floor team.
Well said. Head office is the biggest collection of lazy, stupid, non-productive wastes of space you will find outside of Westminster itself. It would be wrong to label them worthless - they actually have negative worth: they make Tesco a worse place to work just by being a part of it.
However, just like Westminster, they are completely insulated and protected from the Real World. They will never face the consequences of their decisions.
I thought most of head office were on short fixed term contracts - therefore it's fairly easy to let them go when the contract ends.
Did H/O not go through a mass layoff a few months ago?
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Does anyone have the scoring criteria for what they look at when the decide who's job move to the new role and who has to step down?
I don't know the full criteria but I think you get extra points for being a first aider or union rep and you are marked down for any live warnings. You then need to be a good match for the hours, as in shift pattern. New roles require greater flexibility so someone who has huge restrictions as to when they can work will not be a good fit. Shift leaders need to perform duty shifts so they need to open and close the store. Not sure what is required of the service or dot.com shift leaders but as there will not be a huge head count I assume they will still take a part in this.
They are new job roles with new accountabilities. It's not doing the same job and just going to more money. In general terms there have been some team support that have not been doing the full role, I'm not saying you are one of them but a team support that has not done full job role might not be a good fit for shift leader.
New contract came today to sign after Team Support has gone in our store. Anybody know if the checkout operator department name and code has changed to "checkout services" or is that because of my old job and they're trying to quietly still distinguish me as a different job role? If so I need to question this.
It depends on size of store. Team Support have gone to Off Till Activities in my store.
Checkout Services I believe are in stores that take more than set sun each week.
Quote from: Suppord on 17-04-21, 05:41PM
New contract came today to sign after Team Support has gone in our store. Anybody know if the checkout operator department name and code has changed to "checkout services" or is that because of my old job and they're trying to quietly still distinguish me as a different job role? If so I need to question this.
You could give them the option ? If your job role has gone and they require you to sign a new contract you maybe entitled to Redundancy if you didn't agree to the new contract, I would seek legal advice before signing they may be in breach of contract ? as the contract is a shared agreement between yourself and your employer. Good Luck !
What is the possibility of team supports / off till going in all stores? Also how would it operate without them in relation to breaks etc ?
I'm interested to know what's going to happen to the cash office role now that they're rolling out the volumatic note exceptors in the large and extra store formats. With the removal of the stamp machines and less and less cash tills the job role is looking like it can be completed within 2 hrs daily. Has anyone heard anything on this?
You,l just be working somewere else in the shop,surely you realise that by now with them changing contracts