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Will Tesco follow Asda.....

Started by londoner83, 25-02-21, 11:55AM

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Tosco19

Quote from: DotcomLad on 02-03-21, 10:29PM
Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 05:17PM
Quote from: emma070706 on 02-03-21, 03:24PM
Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

Hi Tosco91,

I’m currently in a picker manager role with 2 other managers in Dotcom, when you say Dotcom is excluded from this, do you mean it’s excluded from the structure change or excluded from the equal headcount?

Thanks

Dot com is excluded from the equal head count - you’ll have your share of dot com colleagues (eg 100 colleagues and 2 dot com managers - 50 colleagues each)

Reading the role pack today the dot com fulfilment shift leaders are taking on a lot more (RTW meetings, note taking, duty cover, etc etc,) and it leaves less for the managers to do so they can concentrate fully on reviews and people management

Tosco19

Quote from: Decco1 on 03-03-21, 11:57AM
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

Ashbeck

What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Tosco19

Quote from: Ashbeck on 03-03-21, 03:32PM
What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Roughly 250.

This would vary by store and would very much depend on your current number of managers (if you would hit this new structure now or after managers leave naturally) since shift leaders don’t have any head count - just the managers

Tossgo

Has anyone been told the number of "fulfilment support" jobs your store has been allocated.
If so in regards to picker and driver team support what's the difference in numbers?
My store for instance has 3 picker TL and 2 driver TL currently.
We are thinking we may only have 4 fulfilment positions so one of us will lose out

Tosco19

Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM's and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

Tossgo

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 06:31PM
Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM's and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

What did you have previous though?

Rumblerumble

Does anyone have anymore information on the Service Team Support Role

Kellypringle

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 03:21PM
Quote from: Decco1 on 03-03-21, 11:57AM
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

Does this mean that lead team are going?

Tosco19

#134
Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM's though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won't be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It's a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won't see the impact of these changes (at least for TM's and LTeam) for many years to come.

chris9997

Yes very odd way as costs which is generally the reason why these happen won't really be impacted for some time.

whatajoke2019

And by the time we do start to feel the impacts of these changes there'll either be no one on the shop floor left to manage so no doubt they'll decide to scrap shift leaders etc and bring back managers  :D.

It is a strange one given there is a LM vacancy on TC in Slough...

Kieth_Lemon

looks like its a very similar set up to how Express is being run.

The Shift leaders do the donkeys work and run the shopfloor/dept and are first point of contact for colleagues while the managers are essentially business/people managers.

.....1

How does this all affect people on placements

Rumblerumble

#139
These are on Our Tesco

Job Role for Service Team Support

Rumblerumble

#140
Also on Our Tesco

Service Team Support

whatajoke2019

They haven't updated Colleague Help yet but suspect the Shift Leader role pack for Metro stores will be Verbatim for Superstores and Extras when they get around to it.

As for anyone who's on a placement? Good question... suspect they'll be told to accept any Shift Leader vacancies that may arise or tough!

.....1

So guess they will be told just to return to old job as I can't see them recruiting many shift leaders or service team supports if they are not offering redundancy to the managers.

whatajoke2019

More than likely, yes.

And given the current climate, and job market, they've got some of them right where they want them because they know full well people have commitments and can't afford to be unemployed right now.

Redshoes

In many stores this will take years to land. Not only will things changes in your own store when someone leaves or retires it will change for the group. When any shift lead or manager jobs come up it will be open to all to apply. Some managers may opt to step down into a shift lead role but I suspect not many.

kaled78

give it 5 years and the structure will probably all change again when someone else comes up with a brainwave

forrestgimp

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 07:15PM
Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM's though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won't be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It's a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won't see the impact of these changes (at least for TM's and LTeam) for many years to come.

Wait until it becomes financially valid then redundancies will happen.

whatajoke2019

Kaled,

They'll probably say Shift Leaders aren't working and bring back Team Managers instead  :D

gomezz

Marginally better than a corporate rebranding which changes the company colours from blue and yellow to red and green then a few years later changes them back to blue and yellow with a healthy whack for the consultants used each time.  As happened to the company I used to work for.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

Suppord

Quote from: Tosco19 on 01-03-21, 02:21PM
The difference is between superstores and ‘large’ stores. Superstores are losing the checkout team supports

And too many managers so no shift leader position to apply for either

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