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Quote from: FruityLoopy on 21-02-23, 11:10AMThis will be one of the problems facing the shift leaders going forward in my opinion especially those at dotcom because they will all be getting paid the same amount as the new shift leaders but only two of those new shift leaders will be doing the actual running of day to day activities.

So you are going to get the duty shift leaders doing far more work than the other shift leaders but all being paid the same.

An oversight they seem to have overlooked. F&F shift leaders is a strange one. If they are confined to clothing only and exempt from the tasks all other shift leaders will be doing why are they being paid almost £14 an hour? that will need to be reviewed. You can almost smell the s*** storm brewing.

To be fair this is the first I've heard of F&F shift leaders being paid this much. They should be getting the same amount as Team Support. I can't talk for the store mentioned above but if they are being paid a management wage then it sounds more like an admin error. Which I'm surprised hasn't been flagged yet. Our F&F shift leader is payed via off till activity.

Quote from: person7 on 20-02-23, 07:10PMOne problem I have (which I suspect majority of us will) is the pay rise works out as 7% (while inflation is over 10% average, its actually higher for many of us)

But...This is BEFORE all the bill rises that always come in April.

So it's 7% pay rise on the 10% inflation BEFORE April bills shoot up.. plus all the bills that companies do at inflation plus extra % (my rent is due to go up "with inflation plus 5%" and my Internet if I didn't get fixed deal would be "inflation plus 1.6%) everything just going to be survival only. (I'm already close to it as it is)

So.. I'm rubbish at maths but even I can see its a big pay cut in the end.

Company seem to be allowed to charge more then inflation every year but we never get a pay rise to match anything. And yet "people" wonder why so many are in poverty and why people are dying either starving or freezing to death!

The other way of looking at it is this, inflation is over 10% compared to this time last year, yet colleagues pay will have increased by over 15% in the same period!

In all the years I've worked for Tesco, I've never seen 3 pay rises in less than 12 months or a 15% increase in the same period either!

Has Tesco's hand been forced, yes, could they have done more, yes, however they could have also done less too!

Most colleagues in my store are very happy with £11.02 per hour, the only few that have complained are the few that used to get double time and Saturday premiums!
That tells you all you need to know about the length of service make up at Tesco and those colleagues on the pay review forum!

And the comment about the Pay Forum is precisely why it needs to go. A team of professional or even proper union negotiators would be out to drive a deal that benefits everyone - not one where anyone or as in this case everyone loses going forward.

Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

This sounds a bit dodgy. F&F shift leaders are on the same pay grade as Team Support. F&F Shift Leaders in any store should not be on the same pay grade as a Dot Com Shift Leader (the two roles are very different) and certainly not on the same pay grade as the up coming Shift Leader duty role.

Are you 100% certain this is the case in your store? because if so someone has f***ed up when that person was added onto the pay system. A question then however is why hasn't the team manager, lead manager or store manager noticed a random F&F shift leader is receiving a management wage unless they are on a step up but if they are on a step up they would be doing Duty training. 

Defo flag it up. It could be fraud.

The F&F 'Shift Leader' title should really be ''F&F Team Support''

That is why there is so much confusion over it.  The role is only there to do return to works  and add holidays onto the system. The F&F shift leader is not allowed to do lets talks, unlike dotcom shift leaders and front end team support who can.

Its a bit of a pointless role to be honest so they certainly should not be getting paid the top end of the shift leader wage! 

If you read what the F&F shift leader role is its so limited that it makes you wonder why Tesco even have it in place.

Quote from: Mikoo on 21-02-23, 02:20PM

Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 08:15AMQuick question

We have an F&F Shift leader who is getting the full shift leader pay packet but they will be exempt from the new shift leader duties so in effect will be getting paid the exact same amount as the new shift leaders but will be doing 80% less work.

Where do we stand here? because this doesn't appear normal and it needs to be addressed somewhere

This sounds a bit dodgy. F&F shift leaders are on the same pay grade as Team Support. F&F Shift Leaders in any store should not be on the same pay grade as a Dot Com Shift Leader (the two roles are very different) and certainly not on the same pay grade as the up coming Shift Leader duty role.

Are you 100% certain this is the case in your store? because if so someone has f***ed up when that person was added onto the pay system. A question then however is why hasn't the team manager, lead manager or store manager noticed a random F&F shift leader is receiving a management wage unless they are on a step up but if they are on a step up they would be doing Duty training. 

Defo flag it up. It could be fraud.

I'm of the same opinion and I used to work in wages. The only way an F&F shift leader was being paid the same as dotcom shift leader would be if they were on a step up.

Dotcom shift leaders are actually supposed to be duty trained. That is in their contract. Not all stores follow it however but they probably will need to come May.

Actually in the new role dotcom s/l are not supposed to do duty, they are there only for the dotcom operation however they can be trained in duty if they choose to pick up overtime that way, same goes for a f&f s/l

Thank you everyone for answering.

Basically the F&F Shift leader was yesterday boasting about the big pay increase they would be getting despite doing none of the real shift leader stuff that the genuine shift leaders do. That is what raised eyebrows. Now it appears they shouldn't even be getting paid the same......  not sure how this has happened but I will make people aware   

What does the role pack say in regards to what is expected of a shift leader?

My superstore has 4 shift leaders who appear to be quite expensive fillers. I know they are also key holders and open and close the store. £13.28 x 36.5hrs appears to be very generous.

Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 04:32PMThank you everyone for answering.

Basically the F&F Shift leader was yesterday boasting about the big pay increase they would be getting despite doing none of the real shift leader stuff that the genuine shift leaders do. That is what raised eyebrows. Now it appears they shouldn't even be getting paid the same......  not sure how this has happened but I will make people aware   

Unless they are on a step up/options then yeah a F&F shift leader is on the same as front end Team Support. I've just had this confirmed to me by the non food manager so if something different is happening in your store it probably is your duty to report it.

They are wrong every variation with the words shift leader in there job title gets the higher skill payment

Well something doesn't add up.

How can a shift leader who sticks only to F&F does no duty roles, is not a key holder and finishes at 6pm each day gets paid the same amount as a shift leader who will be duty for 12 hours each day, every day?

If this is really happening then you need to be ringing the protector line. Obviously for some reason this shift leader is getting full payment for a job you are claiming they aren't doing. If I was a shift leader doing 90% more work than someone being paid exactly the same as me I would be getting every union rep involved to figure out what is going on.

Its probably more to do with the fact they are incapable of being duty but that is my point. This person should never have been given the role and some how the store manager must have agreed they wouldn't have to do duty or other shift leader roles.

That however won't wash now as from May there are going to be new shift leaders getting paid exactly the same as this person but doing a huge great deal more work. Its going to explode up into a huge issue. I can see it now.

You can't have one rule for one set of shift leaders and another rule for the rest. Surely it breaks work laws.

Dot com shift leaders can have alot to deal with. Dot com going wrong can derail your entire store very quickly.
Best to keep them away from duty.

Quote from: Rodie on 21-02-23, 06:28PMWell something doesn't add up.

How can a shift leader who sticks only to F&F does no duty roles, is not a key holder and finishes at 6pm each day gets paid the same amount as a shift leader who will be duty for 12 hours each day, every day?

It stinks for sure. How can the company justify paying a shift leader who has to duty all day the same amount as a shift leader who just walks around picking knickers and socks up off the floor?

Is this an oversight no one noticed was happening until now?

we have 2 .com team support.not shift leaders,they have been told the shift leader pay increase does not apply to them,or our 4 checkout team support girls

Dotcom are Fulfilment Shift Leaders, that is their role. They haven't been team supports since the last lot of changes.
There are some checkout team supports in bigger stores, other stores have off till activity. They aren't shift leaders.
I'm not sure of the pay structure for the F&F shift leader, but I know ours spends the majority of their time filling grocery and non-food. They haven't worked on F&F since about a month after they started the role. They still get enhanced pay whether that's TL or SL pay. The only difference I ever see between them and a customer assistant is they wear F&F clothing rather than uniform.

Quote from: kaled78 on 22-02-23, 07:52AMwe have 2 .com team support.not shift leaders,they have been told the shift leader pay increase does not apply to them,or our 4 checkout team support girls

the 2 .com need to be seeing the store manager they are shift leads and c/outs are t/l and dont get the new increased rate

I just asked the lead in my store, the F&F shift leader does not get the new rate

They need to read the pay rise brief.

I'm contracted 9.25 hours 5.5 of those are on a Sunday.

my pay rise works out at £2.89 per WEEK
ie pay rise of 2.6% and because I'm not contracted just a Sunday I won't be getting a payout ( as described by the brief ).

@superdude09 I work Sat night into Sunday also, (I'm full time) feels like discrimination that Sunday only get buy out.

Quote from: Aunt sally on 22-02-23, 02:45PMThey need to read the pay rise brief.

You must have misunderstood it. My non food told me her 'shift leader' is not on the same paygrade as what the new shift leaders will be.

The fact other managers are also saying this means the store Rodie is from must have someone down on the wrong pay grade.