After last years January announcements of reduced management structures and full counters closures. We still have a scratch bakery. What will this January bring to stores. Really can not see how it can get any tighter. This Christmas has been one of the toughest in 30 years of working for the company. We are already only a twilight fill store with no lead team Amd a basic structure of team managers and shift leaders. So what next.........
What ever changes if any, it wan't be management this time round, it br us workers
Definitely taking the Sunday and bank holiday premiums away for sure
Ask the Krispy Kreme man.
More stores to lose nights, main bank checkouts opening times restricted and losing premiums would be my guesses.
Also feel Admin, Wages and Cash Office tasks could be scaled back even more.
It wouldn't supprise me with main bank tills I work in a extra and after say 7 pm there's 2 open sometimes one I went to a diff superstore on my day off on way back from somewhere and it was about 1830 and they had zero main bank open just 8 self serve tills ... it seems like the safest bet for stuff lost is going to be premiums Sunday esp and bank holidays the union will no doubt make a big song and dance about our aparent amazing payrise but it will b give with one hand take with the other ...
some stores still have team leaders running the checkouts,I would not be surprised if those job roles go,and get replaced with normal ga's on "off till activity" as tesco likes to call it nowdays
just heard my current supermarket is turning into a tesco in a few months. How bad is it these days?
We all getting transferred across but I have serious doubts about the "you will keep your current contract"
Bakeries (-*-)
Quote from: expresscoop on 09-01-24, 01:58PMjust heard my current supermarket is turning into a tesco in a few months. How bad is it these days?
We all getting transferred across but I have serious doubts about the "you will keep your current contract"
You should be transferred under TUPE regulations. Look up the rules online or on the ACAS website. This should all have been explained to you beforehand.
Quote from: lucgeo on 09-01-24, 02:18PMQuote from: expresscoop on 09-01-24, 01:58PMjust heard my current supermarket is turning into a tesco in a few months. How bad is it these days?
We all getting transferred across but I have serious doubts about the "you will keep your current contract"
You should be transferred under TUPE regulations. Look up the rules online or on the ACAS website. This should all have been explained to you beforehand.
Yeah we are. I have a feeling the "needs of the business" will override our shift patterns pretty quickly.
If requested, they must provide you with written proof for "needs of the business"...this goes for any Tesco colleagues already on contract to Tesco, when they're quoting this for whatever reason, they must provide the proof when asked to do so.
this as just come in from Greggs to open up to 160 new stores this year, and 2 of them will open within Tesco, Bar Hill in Cambridge,and also Tesco, Ealing in London,,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/greggs-to-open-up-to-160-new-stores-this-year/ar-AA1mKD4u?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=SCOOBE&cvid=0ad38d10110844cd90dddc452a2bc7c0&ei=34
They have already put a Greggs In Walkden Tesco....
Quote from: lucgeo on 09-01-24, 04:38PMIf requested, they must provide you with written proof for "needs of the business"...this goes for any Tesco colleagues already on contract to Tesco, when they're quoting this for whatever reason, they must provide the proof when asked to do so.
thankyou for the tip. Its been a while since I worked for the blue menace. I literally left them for the company I work for now thats now being taken over by tesco lol. They did the same to my previous company of 16 years back in 2009 as well. I CANT GET AWAY FROM THEM
Quote from: rupert7 on 10-01-24, 04:16PMthis as just come in from Greggs to open up to 160 new stores this year, and 2 of them will open within Tesco, Bar Hill in Cambridge,and also Tesco, Ealing in London,,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/greggs-to-open-up-to-160-new-stores-this-year/ar-AA1mKD4u?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=SCOOBE&cvid=0ad38d10110844cd90dddc452a2bc7c0&ei=34
There is a Greggs in my old Extra.
This is they way foreward for Tesco, rent space and put it towards profits.
What else can go? I have heard on the grapevine that all night shifts are going to be made redundant ... and fill will be on twilight... dunno how true it is but rumours come from somewhere
Yeah, the good old grapevine ;D
Our large extra store has implemented a number of cage locations within the aisles in grocery and now recently non food area. Could be a sign that twilight replenishment is coming! All part of the company's five year plan to phase out nights and save a bucket load of cash to pay for the wage increases that are coming down the line.
We only have twilight replenishment in our extra... and the cage locations on the aisles seem to be becoming fewer... most of those that remain are filled with pallets of stock. We are expected to have our delivery cage on the aisle, but somehow not in the way of customers, with a blue bag hanging on the side taking up even more aisle space because "there isn't room for a 4-sider for cardboard or plastic".
Wondering if duckng hell is Bombay I work in an extra and my store is advertising for nights shift leaders full time and full time night staff and the other extra in area same there too .. still just left my Tesco big thanks for the union reading the trading article all green on the big 6 managers no staff looks like a hefty bonus is on route for them
@beanny we had cage locations put in years ago,still a night fill store,maybe if your not dot com store you might be in with a shout for losing nights
Quote from: fatlad on 12-01-24, 07:31AMYeah, the good old grapevine ;D
That'd be the Krispy Kreme man ...
ours are hiring too, so definitely wont be losing here in my opinion, we have cage fill locations however they just put UOD's and pallets in them, when we get visits they move them ??? 8-)
Recruiting is no sign of no changes. Previous structure changes have taken place in areas that had ongoing Recruiting that was pulled once changes announced
well if they wanna offer us redundancy for the changes then they can have a whole new twilight lol. cause know non of ours will stay.
Continued recruitment has no bearing on any changes for nights,any new starters would probably just take a twilight job anyway
we had someone given the bakery managers job 2 months before the role got axed,they were given the choice to step down to shift leader or take redundancy,they took the money and ran
From 1st April all salaried colleagues can now buy an extra weeks holiday - update this week on SM's comms. Nothing for hourly paid
@exsmfloor is that not just the same as taking week off unpaid?tesco creating 2 tier working conditions again like the 4 day night manager trials for work life balance!!
Our store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
Won't be long now till we know the changes.Sometime this morning
What's being announced this morning?
Seems to me the morning has gone by with no announcement. More speculation from Morrissey1912 8-)
I thought it was usually the last Tuesday of January when they drop their bombshells?
It's usually in the early hours of the morning via a 'leak' to the papers.
Only thing that's been announced today is the increase to TM's holiday allowance if served under 5 years and the ability to buy upto an extra week per year!
It works by having a window to buy the extra hours, the cost is then spread over the 12 months instead of the month you take it!
It states that if it takes you under the minimum wage then it will be declined, probably why it's not been offered to CA's.
Quote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
What do you mean by preempted ours already? Also why do you think Wage Clerk's now?
They told us they have spoken to the wages clerk to give them a heads up they might be going maybe it's more of a reduction in hours rather than the job going
Might and maybe seem to be the words of the day 8-)
Well I work at Tesco DC Dolphin park Thurrock in Essex, and on Monday was given a severance package to look at.
I have been there quite a few years and they now want all staff on there new contracts, so everyone is on the same terms and conditions.
Over a year ago they offered to buy my pre 2010 contract from me for around £4k I and nearly everyone else on the old contract refused.
I have only until the 16th February to decide if I stay at Tesco on the old contract or take the money.
The offer is pretty good but I am on roughly £16 an hour and jobs out there around my area are £11-£14 an hour, So instant pay cut, loss of holidays as I get 40, I will be a new starter.
The other issue I have is I am on support plan and any job I take I will be at a disadvantage.
I have the feeling they are going to get nasty later on if I don't take the offer, they want old staff especially those that cannot do all the skills gone.
I am very worried and I am not sure what to do.
I have had a manager hint that they are looking at support plans and that the job may not be there for me in the future.
Do I leave and take my chances, I know the pay off will nearly clear my mortgage but I will be worse off financially and who knows if I will get a job that easy and will I survive if I cannot hit performance there.
Or stay and hope I can ride the storm of constant meetings occupational health and doctors notes.
Just so confused at the moment.
Any good advice would be appreciated.
Thank you
If you stay, document everything, past stuff as best as you can remember but going forward any meetings, run-in's etc, note it all down of the who, when, where, if you do that, and describe in detail preferably as soon as it happens, it'd be contemporaranous notes which can be used as as evidence in an employment tribunal if needed, especially if they try to force you out cause of age or bully etc.. Be a nice and quick payout.
only you can make your mind up, i know what your going through , as i was made redundant in 2014 when we night workers lost our jobs in tesco stores, i took the money and ran, back on nights working for tesco, for how long is any ones guess,in your case you have to take into account your work plan? good luck.take a rep with you,
Quote from: Jim hensons puppet on 18-01-24, 11:52AMWell I work at Tesco DC Dolphin park Thurrock in Essex, and on Monday was given a severance package to look at.
I have been there quite a few years and they now want all staff on there new contracts, so everyone is on the same terms and conditions.
Over a year ago they offered to buy my pre 2010 contract from me for around £4k I and nearly everyone else on the old contract refused.
I have only until the 16th February to decide if I stay at Tesco on the old contract or take the money.
The offer is pretty good but I am on roughly £16 an hour and jobs out there around my area are £11-£14 an hour, So instant pay cut, loss of holidays as I get 40, I will be a new starter.
The other issue I have is I am on support plan and any job I take I will be at a disadvantage.
I have the feeling they are going to get nasty later on if I don't take the offer, they want old staff especially those that cannot do all the skills gone.
I am very worried and I am not sure what to do.
I have had a manager hint that they are looking at support plans and that the job may not be there for me in the future.
Do I leave and take my chances, I know the pay off will nearly clear my mortgage but I will be worse off financially and who knows if I will get a job that easy and will I survive if I cannot hit performance there.
Or stay and hope I can ride the storm of constant meetings occupational health and doctors notes.
Just so confused at the moment.
Any good advice would be appreciated.
Thank you
People at my DC were offered about £900 to switch, and a good few took it. I think you may be right about the support plans, they might want rid of people on those. If you not on one, you could take the payment, have a years hols, then go back
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 18-01-24, 12:46PMIf you stay, document everything, past stuff as best as you can remember but going forward any meetings, run-in's etc, note it all down of the who, when, where, if you do that, and describe in detail preferably as soon as it happens, it'd be contemporaranous notes which can be used as as evidence in an employment tribunal if needed, especially if they try to force you out cause of age or bully etc.. Be a nice and quick payout.
That is good advice if I stay I will definitely do that thank you.
Quote from: rupert7 on 18-01-24, 12:59PMonly you can make your mind up, i know what your going through , as i was made redundant in 2014 when we night workers lost our jobs in tesco stores, i took the money and ran, back on nights working for tesco, for how long is any ones guess,in your case you have to take into account your work plan? good luck.take a rep with you,
Yes I have a lot of thinking to do.
Quote from: grim up north on 18-01-24, 02:31PMPeople at my DC were offered about £900 to switch, and a good few took it. I think you may be right about the support plans, they might want rid of people on those. If you not on one, you could take the payment, have a years hols, then go back
£900 that's a very small amount surprised they all took that! Yeah I could re-apply next year but I couldn't hit the performance before and as a new starter with age against me its a no no going back to them.
Take the money and run no looking back it's Yesterdays job don't be a person who misses the job more than the job misses them
Just in terms of Extras:
I sadly think bakers will be culled. Everything will come in part baked.
Grocery Nights fill going to twilights I've always thought was sensible and the blue print is there in BWS which proved to be successful switch.
Fresh fill wouldn't be so easy to move because of delivery times so I think Dairy/Produce/Bread nights would be left alone.
Quote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
Wage clerks will never go in Extras. I can 100% say that with ease. The sheer volume of 300 staff would be make a nightmare otherwise. Look at Christmas when they removed some access from them then 72 hours later had to give it back because there was chaos. That alone probably saved their job for another year.
Don't know what your talking about scratch bakery draws in customers if they scrap it many of our customers would go elsewhere the s**t they call bake-off is not fit for the birds hotcross and soft roll which is made in store draws customers in it's not even Easter and we sold over a thousand packs this week a lot of hard work went into them it might not sound a lot in money terms but it was bloody hard graft considering we had bods on holiday.I will wait and see so stop speculating unless you definitely know what is happening .People need their jobs .
Scratch bakeries have been on borrowed time for several years. The writing was on the wall 4 years ago when the lucky ones took the money and ran (-*-)
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 21-01-24, 04:39PMJust in terms of Extras:
I sadly think bakers will be culled. Everything will come in part baked.
Grocery Nights fill going to twilights I've always thought was sensible and the blue print is there in BWS which proved to be successful switch.
Fresh fill wouldn't be so easy to move because of delivery times so I think Dairy/Produce/Bread nights would be left alone.
Quote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
Wage clerks will never go in Extras. I can 100% say that with ease. The sheer volume of 300 staff would be make a nightmare otherwise. Look at Christmas when they removed some access from them then 72 hours later had to give it back because there was chaos. That alone probably saved their job for another year.
I'd love to know where BWS switch has been a success - every single store I know of still leans heavily on nights to deliver booze fill
Quote from: WAGs on 17-01-24, 10:24PMQuote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
What do you mean by preempted ours already? Also why do you think Wage Clerk's now?
In our store they were told a few months back, it's a change to hours in the middle of the day where it's needed rather than early, will be given choice to move to it and alternative role on same hours
Does anyone know what happened to the 4 night working week for night managers and is it still being trialled?
Quote from: KELTIKKING on 22-01-24, 10:12PMDoes anyone know what happened to the 4 night working week for night managers and is it still being trialled?
In the Shop floor feedback quarterly update. (30th
November) They had this question and answer -
It is difficult to retain managers for nights due to the reward package and the want for a 4 night working week.
They replied with this: The 4 night trial will continue until the end of this financial year. The findings will be reviewed after Christmas, and if successful is planned to launch in Week 1.
Hoping we will hear something soon as week 1 is wc 25th Feb.. though wouldn't be surprised if they decide we can't do it now after waiting for 12 months since it first got mentioned ???
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 21-01-24, 04:39PMJust in terms of Extras:
I sadly think bakers will be culled. Everything will come in part baked.
Grocery Nights fill going to twilights I've always thought was sensible and the blue print is there in BWS which proved to be successful switch.
Fresh fill wouldn't be so easy to move because of delivery times so I think Dairy/Produce/Bread nights would be left alone.
Quote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
Wage clerks will never go in Extras. I can 100% say that with ease. The sheer volume of 300 staff would be make a nightmare otherwise. Look at Christmas when they removed some access from them then 72 hours later had to give it back because there was chaos. That alone probably saved their job for another year.
Not sure how the grocery twilight fill would work as we're all general assistants on nights, so if there was to be a change in hours then everyone would surely be given the chance of redundancy
Yes colleagues are usually on fresh or grocery but me being a fresh worker then id certainly be pushing for my redundancy.
Theres plenty of extras without night teams,so no substance in fresh,bread hard to fill on days,night colleagues are just colleagues,no set dept on contracts
In reality if you had enough part time colleagues working 6-10am you could fill Fresh in the morning in the vast majority of stores before they become busy with customers......
it used to be like that years ago,when fresh deliveries never came in until 5am in my store,to be honest the shop run better then
The reason they don't have more stores on twilights/ morning fill is due to the limitations of the fresh delivery network.
Once they figure that out, we will see more stores losing nights.
The size of a store will not stop it from losing nights, all stores can be filled early morning/ twilight. Stores will get the colleagues to do it 😎
Quote from: Voulezvous on 23-01-24, 03:39AMQuote from: Checkout Superstar on 21-01-24, 04:39PMJust in terms of Extras:
I sadly think bakers will be culled. Everything will come in part baked.
Grocery Nights fill going to twilights I've always thought was sensible and the blue print is there in BWS which proved to be successful switch.
Fresh fill wouldn't be so easy to move because of delivery times so I think Dairy/Produce/Bread nights would be left alone.
Quote from: Manfrommars on 17-01-24, 06:48AMOur store manager mentioned that he thinks wages clerks may go this time they have preempted ours already
Wage clerks will never go in Extras. I can 100% say that with ease. The sheer volume of 300 staff would be make a nightmare otherwise. Look at Christmas when they removed some access from them then 72 hours later had to give it back because there was chaos. That alone probably saved their job for another year.
Not sure how the grocery twilight fill would work as we're all general assistants on nights, so if there was to be a change in hours then everyone would surely be given the chance of redundancy
Yes colleagues are usually on fresh or grocery but me being a fresh worker then id certainly be pushing for my redundancy.
Store with a dotcom will suffer tremendously if they all go to twilight, the availability will wouldn't be sustainable, they tried this already in some stores and it ruined their dotcom..can't see them going down that path again.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 21-01-24, 05:20PMDon't know what your talking about scratch bakery draws in customers if they scrap it many of our customers would go elsewhere the s**t they call bake-off is not fit for the birds hotcross and soft roll which is made in store draws customers in it's not even Easter and we sold over a thousand packs this week a lot of hard work went into them it might not sound a lot in money terms but it was bloody hard graft considering we had bods on holiday.I will wait and see so stop speculating unless you definitely know what is happening .People need their jobs .
I don't think anybody doubts how hard the bakery can be, I've done it myself years ago. Unfortunately they're just not that profitable anymore, likewise with the counters and especially with skill payments
Does anyone know when any of the changes that are going to made will be announced
Mid February is the usual time frame that announcements are made. They will want to keep staff in place till after Easter on the 31st March!
My hope is scratch bakery goes, hopefully redundancy for us!
Seems to me that redundancies are very rarely offered these days during a restructure. Counters none offered and even the management restructure was limited to the really shyte ones
I wouldn't count on redundancy at all when stores done a load of redundancies with metro restructuring in 2019 when it was handed out a lot easier Tesco have dialled it back .. my extra there's been tons restructuring delis counters and more all counter staff were kept on I think poss 1 or 2 managers got redundancy in my store
Quote from: AudiTTman on 25-01-24, 08:22PMMy hope is scratch bakery goes, hopefully redundancy for us!
No chance this time. All changed since 4 years ago.
Scratch bakeries are on borrowed time, the quality of the frozen lines has really improved over the years. Our production planner is down a lot compared to years gone by with rolls and white bread. I honestly struggle to see how they make profits with wages/products/packaging/repairs etc. Our equipment is breaking down so regularly.
spoke to an ex senior team,earlier today,he seems to think with the expansion of self serve and removal of checkouts the remaining stores with checkout shift leaders will be losing them this year and they will just use Ga,s on off till activity,he very much doubts they be offered redundancy though,just protected pay for a while with no payrises as they like to do thesedays
Yes I've heard the whispers about Team Support being at risk.
Bakers have been on borrowed time for a while.
I heard rumours a while back Admins in large stores will be losing hours with wage clerks taking on more of the admin roles like recruitment.
Stock Control appears to be getting gutted but the work load has increased. Most stores are averaging over 1000 counts daily at present on top of usual routines and this will be a four monthy thing from now on.. so where are the staff they need?
Good luck everyone. The anxiety the company causes us all at the time of year is never a good thing.
Team Support being scalled back has been rumoured for a while.
How many fresh managers does your stores have? I'm in an Extra with two and latest theory here is that this will be reduced to one.
It's funny how stock control is always branded as being at risk yet the reality is that at present they are the busiest they have been for years. I can't see them being tampered with at all this time around.
Quote from: MaterialGirl on 26-01-24, 07:39PMI heard rumours a while back Admins in large stores will be losing hours with wage clerks taking on more of the admin roles like recruitment.
My partner is an Admin Colleague and is contracted 4.75 hours a day. She gets most of her work done within an hour then goes onto the shopfloor so I can actually see this being accurate.
Quote from: Paulie on 26-01-24, 09:53AMScratch bakeries are on borrowed time, the quality of the frozen lines has really improved over the years. Our production planner is down a lot compared to years gone by with rolls and white bread. I honestly struggle to see how they make profits with wages/products/packaging/repairs etc. Our equipment is breaking down so regularly.
Agreed sadly. After the Counters went it was only a matter of time.
What's fascinating however is that Morrissons have benefitted massively from Tesco closing their delis. You think that would have given them some pause for thought. I still can't get my head around a large supermarket not having use for a hot food counter.. ???
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 23-01-24, 06:52AMTheres plenty of extras without night teams,so no substance in fresh,bread hard to fill on days,night colleagues are just colleagues,no set dept on contracts
I can't see stores with a .com department losing night shift. It would cause massive issues with the first pick.
Any decision to scrap night staff would surely be store specific.
Quote from: BobbyDazler on 26-01-24, 08:08PMQuote from: Paulie on 26-01-24, 09:53AMScratch bakeries are on borrowed time, the quality of the frozen lines has really improved over the years. Our production planner is down a lot compared to years gone by with rolls and white bread. I honestly struggle to see how they make profits with wages/products/packaging/repairs etc. Our equipment is breaking down so regularly.
Agreed sadly. After the Counters went it was only a matter of time.
What's fascinating however is that Morrissons have benefitted massively from Tesco closing their delis. You think that would have given them some pause for thought. I still can't get my head around a large supermarket not having use for a hot food counter.. ???
After a month or 2 no one asked about counters stock. And sales havnt had any real impact. counters was very very ineffecient and unproductive.
I'd say PI would have a bit of an overhaul. There's so little work most of the time that all ours do is fill all night! One of the girls last week only spent 1 hour out of her 22 hours actually on PI. But the workload doesn't seem to be consistent. Other weeks they can have too much!
PI getting an overhaul you are having a laugh. Until they cough up the money to install electronic stripping PI will always be a pain and require loads of hours.
I work in a large superstore, a typical Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning we are dealing with 3000+ labels. Total contracted hours for colleagues with PI as their primary is 44hrs - the workload has to be picked up by those who have PI as their secondary department. It is ridiculous.
Changing Grocery Promo change was a big mistake, it now coincides with Fresh and H&B. Genius planning from Head Office again.
Quote from: SAMCRO on 27-01-24, 08:45AMPI getting an overhaul you are having a laugh. Until they cough up the money to install electronic stripping PI will always be a pain and require loads of hours.
I work in a large superstore, a typical Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning we are dealing with 3000+ labels. Total contracted hours for colleagues with PI as their primary is 44hrs - the workload has to be picked up by those who have PI as their secondary department. It is ridiculous.
Changing Grocery Promo change was a big mistake, it now coincides with Fresh and H&B. Genius planning from Head Office again.
Normally stock control what's left of us,and stock controls roll seems to be growing again.Head office haven't got a clue,teamed with s*** managers who think everything takes 5 minutes.
My store is screaming out for stock control merchandise staff but no one is intrested the couple of staff who are in are left with a mountain to climb with label changes etc etc one of the girls said they normally do a average of 3-4 k per change
We have 1 full-time and 2 part-time which totals around 70 hours contract to PI, unfortunately we need 35 of those for the Tues/Weds, then 3/4 dead shifts
Apparently non food are losing their line manager. It will be absorbed into Dry Grocery with one manager over looking the whole section and the F&F shift leader taking on non food as well.
Quote from: kaled78 on 26-01-24, 05:15PMspoke to an ex senior team,earlier today,he seems to think with the expansion of self serve and removal of checkouts the remaining stores with checkout shift leaders will be losing them this year and they will just use Ga,s on off till activity,he very much doubts they be offered redundancy though,just protected pay for a while with no payrises as they like to do thesedays
I'll guess you havent had any checkouts removed and so on. Why are you scaremongering when you dont know of it's true or not. My store has had checkouts removed and theres still team support.
@seymee think that would suit ours,he wanted to go in last cull,but if they do surely its a points system again!!
@keef1894 im not scaremongering,just passing on what an ex senior team member thinks,sorry if you feel that way,just because your store still has the roles at the moment,does not gaurantee their safety with Tesco the way it is these days sadly,our store had a team leader appointed 2 weeks before they announced they were axing the roles a few years back
Quote from: kaled78 on 28-01-24, 08:54PM@keef1894 im not scaremongering,just passing on what an ex senior team member thinks,sorry if you feel that way,just because your store still has the roles at the moment,does not gaurantee their safety with Tesco the way it is these days sadly,our store had a team leader appointed 2 weeks before they announced they were axing the roles a few years back
What you're doing is precisely scaremongering!
Your claims are baseless, just going what a former senior manager THINK!
I'm praying they get rid of nights! I would snap there hand off for some redundo! But personally I don't think there will be any major changes just minor if any at all this year
I wouldn't be surprised if they stripped more management out and added more shift leaders with increased responsibility, ie shift leaders responsible for a team doing their hols, training, absence etc. Remaining managers to take on a more "lead" role, actually looking at business performance, p&l etc
Business took a decent bit of money this year even with a reduced management headcount. Can they strip more out to increase profit again?
Quote from: Neetworker on 29-01-24, 07:51AMI'm praying they get rid of nights! I would snap there hand off for some redundo! But personally I don't think there will be any major changes just minor if any at all this year
if your store have a dotcom don't hold your breath on nights going, they got rid of nights in some stores with a dotcom it it ruined the availability and if you ever worked in a dotcom store then you'll know the availability supersedes everything..if it fall below 97% the store managers panicked.
Our store stopped nights over a year ago & the dotcom availability is still over 97% every day
Our store is the same. Nights went a few years ago. It's hard picking on dotcom while produce snd chill are being filled, but our availability is above target nearly every day. Having dotcom will not save your nightshift from going.
The last couple of posts are encouraging for those night workers who would like redundancy. If dotcom availability can be maintained without nights I take that as a compliment to the operation on days.
In other news, how many people on here have "escaped" Tesco via leaving or redundancy only to return some time later? There's been six in my store and all of them left swearing they would never come back only to reappear a few months later. There also the loudest complainers about how things are which I find ironic.
Quote from: Happyguy on 29-01-24, 01:23PMIn other news, how many people on here have "escaped" Tesco via leaving or redundancy only to return some time later? There's been six in my store and all of them left swearing they would never come back only to reappear a few months later. They're also the loudest complainers about how things are which I find ironic.
Someone needs to have a word with the person who rehired them! Few colleagues at our store who wouldn't have a hope in hell of being rehired and we'd be glad to see the back of!
Quote from: Biscuits on 29-01-24, 01:05PMOur store is the same. Nights went a few years ago. It's hard picking on dotcom while produce snd chill are being filled, but our availability is above target nearly every day. Having dotcom will not save your nightshift from going.
Yeah our store struggles with even a little bit of back stock through out the day but then I suppose there would be more body's around to help with that if it went to a day fill guess only time will tell
Quote from: MaterialGirl on 26-01-24, 07:39PMYes I've heard the whispers about Team Support being at risk.
Bakers have been on borrowed time for a while.
I heard rumours a while back Admins in large stores will be losing hours with wage clerks taking on more of the admin roles like recruitment.
Stock Control appears to be getting gutted but the work load has increased. Most stores are averaging over 1000 counts daily at present on top of usual routines and this will be a four monthy thing from now on.. so where are the staff they need?
Good luck everyone. The anxiety the company causes us all at the time of year is never a good thing.
Any more news about team support?
There's no news about anything yet, only speculation. Best to wait for official announcements rather than ask for individual opinions on here
So what happens to people who are on holiday or off sick and there job is redundant do you get informed whilst off?
Quote from: Misery on 30-01-24, 12:10AMQuote from: MaterialGirl on 26-01-24, 07:39PMYes I've heard the whispers about Team Support being at risk.
Bakers have been on borrowed time for a while.
I heard rumours a while back Admins in large stores will be losing hours with wage clerks taking on more of the admin roles like recruitment.
Stock Control appears to be getting gutted but the work load has increased. Most stores are averaging over 1000 counts daily at present on top of usual routines and this will be a four monthy thing from now on.. so where are the staff they need?
Good luck everyone. The anxiety the company causes us all at the time of year is never a good thing.
Any more news about team support?
I remember there being talk a while back in our store that main bank tills would shut at 6pm leaving only self serve open so no need for a team support past 6pm anymore as only runners would be needed as off till activity
Quote from: SAMCRO on 27-01-24, 08:45AMPI getting an overhaul you are having a laugh. Until they cough up the money to install electronic stripping PI will always be a pain and require loads of hours.
I work in a large superstore, a typical Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning we are dealing with 3000+ labels. Total contracted hours for colleagues with PI as their primary is 44hrs - the workload has to be picked up by those who have PI as their secondary department. It is ridiculous.
Changing Grocery Promo change was a big mistake, it now coincides with Fresh and H&B. Genius planning from Head Office again.
totally
I always laugh when people suggest PI will be culled... so who is going to change the 3000 labels that come down mid week if they aren't there....
Pi in some stores have pretty much disappeared to nights and the pi job going to who ever the team manager decides,
My money would be on maybe slimming down team managers hours as all they do now is admin which can be done be a ga.
We had 3 pi over nights, 1 retired 1 left, 1 still does it but will soon retire, so far the rest of the pi falls to night manager and team support to complete rather than getting any more, so I think it's on of those they just offload onto elsewhere and possibly are looking at? Least as a starter.
Suggestion was made in our store a couple of years ago that each GA on nights would do the labels for the aisle they were filling at the time. It's possible I suppose but really don't see it happening.
It's possible if the business moves away from regular promotion changes and into just everyday low prices.
Currently we have a PI system that requires every 3-4 weeks hundreds of labels to change only to then change back after a further 3-4 weeks when the offers resume.
If customers could be persuaded its better to buy (for example) 24pk pepsi at £8.50 all year round rather than at £7 when it's on promo and over £10 when it's not......the man hours saved on label changes would be huge.
Quote from: chris9997 on 30-01-24, 07:25PMMy money would be on maybe slimming down team managers hours as all they do now is admin which can be done be a ga.
There's talk in my store that admin will be absorbed into wages. I'm an extra.
Whose to say there will be any changes or cutbacks this year? Just because its happened in previous years doesn't mean to say its going to happen this year
Fair point to be honest. Usually by now we have a good idea of what is coming. Nothing as of yet which might suggest no big changes are planned.
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 31-01-24, 04:24AMQuote from: chris9997 on 30-01-24, 07:25PMMy money would be on maybe slimming down team managers hours as all they do now is admin which can be done be a ga.
There's talk in my store that admin will be absorbed into wages. I'm an extra.
How many hours are your admins on now? Ours used to be 8 - 5 but it's now 11 - 4 on idealbase. Ours has been told they can keep their hours but will have to work the first half of their shift on dotcom
I don't think there will be any changes this year, the company always adhere to a 45 days consultation period and we're getting very close to that now,February is upon us now and the rumours miĺl would have been in full swing by now, last year when the got rid of lead managers the rumours were in full swing from December 2022.
Quote from: Poka on 24-01-24, 06:23PMDoes anyone know when any of the changes that are going to made will be announced
Next Tuesday our store manager told us
I'm anticipating some changes to either the wages or admin role.
What actually is the point of admin now managers do it all themselves? I can see the logic in still needing a wage clerk especially in the larger stores but the whole point of shift leaders was to give the managers more time to be their own admin. All the managers in my store recruited their own temps at Xmas. Admin did the Inductions and that was it. There's little use for a full time admin colleague. Multi skillers will probably be the way forward who are just used as and when
I'm in agreement with others. I don't think anything big is planned this year. By this point we usually have an idea of what's coming. If it was big like the bakers or nights going we would have heard the whispers by now.
Which stores still even have Admins? Is it only the Extras? My mothers Superstore doesn't have any. Only a Wage clerk who also works on the CSD.
I'm thinking the Team Support shake up is accurate. If main bank tills are to close at 6pm that's one Team Support role gone unfortunately. The writing was on the wall soon as self serve replaced 8 of our tills.
I was told today that PhoneShop Managers will be going this time around, and replaced with team support.
I think a lot of this is speculation, admin role may go but likely stafff will be absorbed into ga role as per new contract, Wages clerks also with any additional money from these roles paid as a lump sum or over a period of time that is if they are affected, i can not see either of these roles attracting redundancy.
I asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
Quote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Quote from: WAGs on 01-02-24, 09:09PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Maybe your store manager doesn't trust your ability and duty managers are always supposed to upload absences especially sick once the call comes in.
Quote from: Seymee on 02-02-24, 10:05AMQuote from: WAGs on 01-02-24, 09:09PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Maybe your store manager doesn't trust your ability and duty managers are always supposed to upload absences especially sick once the call comes in.
Excuse me! I'm a very trusted/knowledgeable Wage Clerk how dare you suggest otherwise!
It is to get the Manager's doing all their admin/FROG it's not just our Extra Store either! So watch out it could be on its way to you!
I'm starting to feel that there going to add back in, probably 4 day working week for night managers and night leads to be put back..... just got a feeling 🤷🏻�♂️
By this point last year we already knew what was happening. The only stuff going on in the background at the moment is the return of options for management and shift leader training programmes, as well as changes to how green screen works to make stock control/shrink easier.
Quote from: WAGs on 02-02-24, 01:22PMQuote from: Seymee on 02-02-24, 10:05AMQuote from: WAGs on 01-02-24, 09:09PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Maybe your store manager doesn't trust your ability and duty managers are always supposed to upload absences especially sick once the call comes in.
Excuse me! I'm a very trusted/knowledgeable Wage Clerk how dare you suggest otherwise!
It is to get the Manager's doing all their admin/FROG it's not just our Extra Store either! So watch out it could be on its way to you!
Weren't you having a meltdown at Xmas when they removed your ability to add Bank details and made it exclusive to the store manager only? A change that lasted 48 hours because all large store managers ended up revolting on a conference call. The bank option is still there due to that revolt. Like said already that one incident probably saved wage clerks for another year.
If your store manager isn't using you correctly I would question why as the wage clerk job role hasn't been changed. Your store manager appears to have made a choice to sideline you.
Quote from: WAGs on 02-02-24, 01:22PMQuote from: Seymee on 02-02-24, 10:05AMQuote from: WAGs on 01-02-24, 09:09PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Maybe your store manager doesn't trust your ability and duty managers are always supposed to upload absences especially sick once the call comes in.
Excuse me! I'm a very trusted/knowledgeable Wage Clerk how dare you suggest otherwise!
It is to get the Manager's doing all their admin/FROG it's not just our Extra Store either! So watch out it could be on its way to you!
Print off your role pack and ask your manager why you aren't being allowed to do the role you are contracted for.
Quote from: Neetworker on 02-02-24, 06:36PMI'm starting to feel that there going to add back in, probably 4 day working week for night managers and night leads to be put back..... just got a feeling 🤷🏻�♂️
This is what I think too.
I think they are going to start readding to departments like stock control and extend the new shift leader programme to 6 months so that the large stores will always have 3 to 4 shift leaders on rotation every 6 months. This gives managers time to do their own admin.
Quote from: BobbyDazler on 04-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: Neetworker on 02-02-24, 06:36PMI'm starting to feel that there going to add back in, probably 4 day working week for night managers and night leads to be put back..... just got a feeling 🤷🏻�♂️
This is what I think too.
I think they are going to start readding to departments like stock control and extend the new shift leader programme to 6 months so that the large stores will always have 3 to 4 shift leaders on rotation every 6 months. This gives managers time to do their own admin.
Wk1/2 stock Control in my store is going from 3 colleagues to 1 colleague. They are taking away from stock control. Talk of monthly MST style counts. All they will need is one colleague to maintain bookstocks until the next monthly MST.
Hasn't that already started? They have been doing full counts across all stock for the past 4 weeks in my store. They have had multi skill new colleagues on stock control in order to make hitting the targets possible so good luck to any store manager who thinks it's a sustainable thing that can be done like this every day of every week because that's how it would need to be on the extras. I think one day two weeks ago there was 1800 counts on the system.
Quote from: Seymee on 04-02-24, 09:42PMHasn't that already started? They have been doing full counts across all stock for the past 4 weeks in my store. They have had multi skill new colleagues on stock control in order to make hitting the targets possible so good luck to any store manager who thinks it's a sustainable thing that can be done like this every day of every week because that's how it would need to be on the extras. I think one day two weeks ago there was 1800 counts on the system.
The monthly MST style counts would be completed by the third party doing them now, only needing one stock controller to maintain. The counts we are doing now are normal when a change is coming to stock control, I have been doing this for many years. The end of Tesco's financial year is coming up, its normal for a business to do a stocktake for the end of year books.
Would the third party count company be able to resource monthly counts in every store? Would be easier to get instore staff to just count the store on a rolling basis across the year.
Also once a area is accurately counted there shouldn't be a need for daily low and gap scans as stock records should be correct.
Not that simple with stock records, shrink his them very quickly for various reasons the obvious one being theft but of course waste being wrongly scanned, checkout operator errors, the wrong stock turning up etc etc. Getting rid of gaps and low scanning will only come back to haunt them very quickly.
Plus that assumes the 3rd party companies get it right every time and you often find some lines have been under or over counted, and we all known the old stock control saying about todays false gain being tomorrows unknown loss.
Quote from: londoner83 on 05-02-24, 10:15AMWould the third party count company be able to resource monthly counts in every store? Would be easier to get instore staff to just count the store on a rolling basis across the year.
Also once a area is accurately counted there shouldn't be a need for daily low and gap scans as stock records should be correct.
How does that save money having the minimum wage outsiders that care even less about their job counting stock every month. Minimum 20 of them per night and 2 fat controllers 12 times a year?
These rumours about going down to one stock controller have to be BS.
We know by tomorrow anyway
Be going off sick instantly if they think I'm doing a one man job,had enough of that s*** in 2019 when they did their damage.Mental wellbeing bunch of twats if its true.
Tomorrow? Are all the krispy kreme guys on a confectionery call?
What ever come from today good luck to you all and hope you all get the outcome (if any) that you want :thumbup:
We're doomed
What makes people think we'll find anything out today 8-)
All store managers have a conference call today
Announcements regarding redundancy or major changes regarding staff generally get released the first Monday of February. This gives time for stores to return to normal after Xmas, and allows 4 weeks for consultation, 4 weeks noticed to be worked with affected staff out of the business by the end of the financial year (end of March). Early Easter this year MIGHT affect this usual time frame but I doubt it so we should hear something today
Yesterday was a bank holiday in the ROI so if its a change affecting UK and ROI simultaneously that would explain it being announced today instead of yesterday
Any info on the store manager meetings this morning about the restructure ?
Quote from: Captain001 on 06-02-24, 09:13AMAny info on the store manager meetings this morning about the restructure ?
It was due at 9 so there probably still on it now
Do we rely on management coming out and spilling the beans in annoyance, gaining bits and pieces of potentially misunderstood info as they go? ...or is there likely to be an official announcement straight after?
Quote from: Raven on 06-02-24, 09:32AMDo we rely on management coming out and spilling the beans in annoyance, gaining bits and pieces of potentially misunderstood info as they go? ...or is there likely to be an official announcement straight after?
Most likely as always cascaded down store managers will call a manager meeting feed out the info which in turn will be passed onto us
Ah, so we'll piece it together bit by bit as best we can then.
Meeting finished...now we wait
Any update ??
Your Union reps should be in the briefing the store manager will be giving to managers. It will say that on the briefing store managers get. If the relationship with the union is strong in store thats what should happen.
A O
Are all in meeting now
We have been called for a brief at 1200 with store manager in our store
Interesting day ahead then in work saying that with the union you got to be having a laugh I work in an extra few hundred staff and I only know 1 union rep .. senior management and store reps should be having meetings with who ever is affected by any job changes asap
Of course this announcement could be what sort of a payrise we may end up getting.
I'm wondering same
Our phone shop is going and our produce department is going from 3 tier to 2 tier.
Quote from: fscer on 06-02-24, 11:55AMOur phone shop is going and our produce department is going from 3 tier to 2 tier.
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Scratch bakery team called in for a meeting
Yikes I work in a extra the scratch bakery bread etc etc makes a killing aswell
I didn't know some stores still had a scratch bakery, ours went a while ago.
Produce 2 tiers that's low enough to be a trip hazard ;D
Our wage clerk is going
Quote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 12:16PMI didn't know some stores still had a scratch bakery, ours went a while ago.
Produce 2 tiers that's low enough to be a trip hazard ;D
To be fair getting potatoes to the top tier is pretty bad on your back no matter how careful you are.
I've been in store with a 4th tier that was aweful. just used to unload half the case and handball it on/in
Yes I've worked in a store with 4 tiers on produce, how that ever passed health and safety I'll never know. Produce department is a hard days work
Quote from: Heythere84 on 06-02-24, 12:17PMOur wage clerk is going
hi, are u in an extra?
A wide range of changes it seems so far
I'm in an extra wage clerks going
Anything about stock and admin?
So so far we have at least one phone shop and some wage clerks going.
Possibly scratch bakery.
Is the reduction to 2 tiers in produce a reduction in number of lines or quantities of each item? ...and is it likely to need a reduction in staff numbers?
Lead nights is back.... Called it :thumbup:
Quote from: Neetworker on 06-02-24, 12:48PMLead nights is back.... Called it :thumbup:
Ours never went
Wages going in my store
Is wages going across all formats or just extras?
Wages going in my store. No redundancy
Has anything been mentioned about the 4 night working week for night managers or is the only news so far that night leads are back and if so does anyone know if they are back in all stores they were in last year or are some stores keeping no night lead?
As a night TM I hope they bring a night lead back in my store as I personally feel since our lead was made redundant last April the night shift operation with the new shift leaders and the other night manager has been chaos with us being under staffed with no planning happening beforehand,and no one really being in charge of any of us apart from our day lead who sees us for 45 mins a week maximum
Any news on stock control?
Hasn't been a lead night manager in our store for at least 4 years, can't see them bringing one back in our store now.
No night team at my store since 2016, I would be surprised to see it come back
Any more news on scratch bakeries at all? I'm surprised ours is still going, we've only got three bakers now and one of them is part time.
I've only seen one comment which said that their scratch bakery team had been called into a meeting.
I think everything we're hearing so far is what is happening in each individuals store.
Thanks, I guess I'll wait and see what happens at work tomorrow.
Our night lead has been on days for over a year now, night managers and shift leaders just sort the stuff out. It's been better since he was put there "temporarily" :D our managers still have tk hand over tk him in the morning but for any problems etc they just deal with the stuff themselves, so a night lead hasn't been needed... We've all been glad to get rid >:D
Going bakeoff no redundancy. The idea is the bakers stay in the bakery and packers move wherever. Another phone brief tomorrow around pay outs.
GUTTED!!!
Can you take redundancy if hours can't be matched.As would take it as missed out last time
Is every store going to bake off?
Our bakers have been told by phone call,meeting tomorrow we are going to bake-off
Quote from: cheesy cob on 06-02-24, 02:31PMCan you take redundancy if hours can't be matched.As would take it as missed out last time
No redundancy yours hrs wouldn't change just work where needed
Quote from: Himynameus on 06-02-24, 02:37PMIs every store going to bake off?
Not sure. Think a lot will as we are profitable and one of the best on group apparently!!
What happens with the skills payment? Just wondering as I'm the sole provider for my family and can't afford to lose any money. Not heard anything about my job yet though so maybe ours won't go. I'd have bitten their hand off for redundancy mind you.
No 4 day working week for night managers said that it hasn't worked in trial stores
Surely any scratch bakeries which are going bake off then the bakers are entitled to redundancy, different for packers etc. I personally would take the money and run as this company is a terrible place to work now.
Quote from: Grassman on 06-02-24, 03:00PMSurely any scratch bakeries which are going bake off then the bakers are entitled to redundancy, different for packers etc. I personally would take the money and run as this company is a terrible place to work now.
The same should apply for wage clerks regarding redundancy as our job has gone due to technology and to the management but stupid Usdaw ruined that!
Our bakers have been bake off for a while now and all they got was a payout
Does anyone have a reason as to why the 4 night trial didn't work out
When one considers other retailers who do work 4 shift pattern that works so was curious as to the hindering factor why Tesco don't follow
Also lead manager nights ?
Coming back ? Really after only one year since finishing off the role
Hope someone can clarify
Scratch bakery was binned in my store last year. Bakers never had the option of redundancy. They keep their skilled payment rate for 18months and then fall in line with GA pay. The days of redundancy for shop floor staff are over. We are all customer assistants now and have been for a while. This change of job title/contract was done precisely to avoid paying out redundancies.
You work where needed in accordance to your availability, you have zero options.
Quote from: colinthemole on 06-02-24, 02:47PMWhat happens with the skills payment? Just wondering as I'm the sole provider for my family and can't afford to lose any money. Not heard anything about my job yet though so maybe ours won't go. I'd have bitten their hand off for redundancy mind you.
Store managers on phone call briefing tomorrow to find out. One to one's to be done by end of week.
That said if minimum wage rising shouldn't see that much difference really. We just wouldn't get as much of a rise compared to everyone else.
Quote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 03:14PMScratch bakery was binned in my store last year. Bakers never had the option of redundancy. They keep their skilled payment rate for 18months and then fall in line with GA pay. The days of redundancy for shop floor staff are over. We are all customer assistants now and have been for a while. This change of job title/contract was done precisely to avoid paying out redundancies.
You work where needed in accordance to your availability, you have zero options.
Good old usdaw!!!
Quote from: KELTIKKING on 06-02-24, 03:13PMDoes anyone have a reason as to why the 4 night trial didn't work out
When one considers other retailers who do work 4 shift pattern that works so was curious as to the hindering factor why Tesco don't follow
Also lead manager nights ?
Coming back ? Really after only one year since finishing off the role
Hope someone can clarify
Quote from: KELTIKKING on 06-02-24, 03:13PMDoes anyone have a reason as to why the 4 night trial didn't work out
When one considers other retailers who do work 4 shift pattern that works so was curious as to the hindering factor why Tesco don't follow
Also lead manager nights ?
Coming back ? Really after only one year since finishing off the role
Hope someone can clarify
I'd imagine that with holidays/sickness there isn't enough cover. Also if shop not being filled correctly the night managers are reaping benefits of 4 nights with same pay with little benefit to the business. Thinking on the same lines a lead will have more accountability to deliver the operation 7 nights per week so makes it easier for store to maintain the fill..
2 night managers
2 shift leaders
Is more than enough to run a shift
As I said works in other companies
Yes I was a lead
Came back but not for long as absolutely no work life balance
Will obtain clarity soon from by SM
Quote from: Grassman on 06-02-24, 03:36PMQuote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 03:14PMScratch bakery was binned in my store last year. Bakers never had the option of redundancy. They keep their skilled payment rate for 18months and then fall in line with GA pay. The days of redundancy for shop floor staff are over. We are all customer assistants now and have been for a while. This change of job title/contract was done precisely to avoid paying out redundancies.
You work where needed in accordance to your availability, you have zero options.
Good old usdaw!!!
I am Security only work security no other departments not trained and won't be ocupational health said not fit for any other department
Any bakers on here that can confirm.that have had a meeting or call
Quote from: cheesy cob on 06-02-24, 04:59PMAny bakers on here that can confirm.that have had a meeting or call
Our union rep said nothing was mentioned about our bakery in the meeting, so maybe not all bakeries going bake off.
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 06-02-24, 04:47PMQuote from: Grassman on 06-02-24, 03:36PMQuote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 03:14PMScratch bakery was binned in my store last year. Bakers never had the option of redundancy. They keep their skilled payment rate for 18months and then fall in line with GA pay. The days of redundancy for shop floor staff are over. We are all customer assistants now and have been for a while. This change of job title/contract was done precisely to avoid paying out redundancies.
You work where needed in accordance to your availability, you have zero options.
Good old usdaw!!!
I am Security only work security no other departments not trained and won't be ocupational health said not fit for any other department
So you can confront shoplifters and potentially aggressive people but you can't put tissue paper on a shelf? :D
Tissue paper is too soft to handle.
Yes we were told our bakery going to bake off today. I rejoined in nov 2022 after taking redundancy in 2020 and working for Morrisons and then Costco in between. Both awful company's to work for with no work like balance. In December I decided I wanted out of retail and applied for a job balancing books. The company said if they get the right person they'll train them from scratch, 3 interviews later and they offered me the job. Monday to Friday, hybrid remote, 2 bonuses a year so I took it. Gave my manager 4 weeks notice as I know skilled bakers are hard to come by. They got a lad off produce who wanted to train and he started yesterday. Today they came in and said it is going to bake off so looks like I dodged a bullet there
Did they say anything about redundancy for bakery
Quote from: cheesy cob on 06-02-24, 06:02PMDid they say anything about redundancy for bakery
No redundancy
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 02-02-24, 06:53PMQuote from: WAGs on 02-02-24, 01:22PMQuote from: Seymee on 02-02-24, 10:05AMQuote from: WAGs on 01-02-24, 09:09PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 01-02-24, 05:54PMI asked my store manager today and he said he's not even heard any rumours. So to be honest I don't think any roles are going. It will probably be a move around of hours. Given 90% of large stores aren't even following the "scheduler" it just makes more sense to go back to basics.
I don't believe this as I am a Wage Clerk at a Large Extea and my Manager's are being told they have to do their own exceptions, adding FROG and all absences. I am like a minder, teacher, advisor!
Maybe your store manager doesn't trust your ability and duty managers are always supposed to upload absences especially sick once the call comes in.
Excuse me! I'm a very trusted/knowledgeable Wage Clerk how dare you suggest otherwise!
It is to get the Manager's doing all their admin/FROG it's not just our Extra Store either! So watch out it could be on its way to you!
Weren't you having a meltdown at Xmas when they removed your ability to add Bank details and made it exclusive to the store manager only? A change that lasted 48 hours because all large store managers ended up revolting on a conference call. The bank option is still there due to that revolt. Like said already that one incident probably saved wage clerks for another year.
If your store manager isn't using you correctly I would question why as the wage clerk job role hasn't been changed. Your store manager appears to have made a choice to sideline you.
So your a Checkout Superstar perhaps you need to keep to what you know, rather than other jobs and keep your inside info from your Manager and his Wife! As it was rubbish tge fact that you would said I was being side lined and why I was not doing my Job Role! Perhaps you should have looked as the Job Role has 13 tasks of which we only do 7 as the rest were HRAM and therefore defunked. As I said the Manager's are doing all their own exceptions and admin as of April as of the announcement today the Wage Clerk position no longer exists.
I think you owe me an apology for being so rude obviously my store was getting prepared for this so it was coming your way!
Quote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 05:06PMQuote from: Mickymouse1962 on 06-02-24, 04:47PMQuote from: Grassman on 06-02-24, 03:36PMQuote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 03:14PMScratch bakery was binned in my store last year. Bakers never had the option of redundancy. They keep their skilled payment rate for 18months and then fall in line with GA pay. The days of redundancy for shop floor staff are over. We are all customer assistants now and have been for a while. This change of job title/contract was done precisely to avoid paying out redundancies.
You work where needed in accordance to your availability, you have zero options.
Good old usdaw!!!
I am Security only work security no other departments not trained and won't be ocupational health said not fit for any other department
So you can confront shoplifters and potentially aggressive people but you can't put tissue paper on a shelf? :D
You couldn't make it up could you! OH probably said he/she can't confront anyone either :D
OH employee who signed that off needs investigating. Working security but cannot be trained or fit to work elsewhere, biggest load of c**p I've heard in a long long time.
Quote from: KELTIKKING on 06-02-24, 03:58PM2 night managers
2 shift leaders
Is more than enough to run a shift
As I said works in other companies
Yes I was a lead
Came back but not for long as absolutely no work life balance
Will obtain clarity soon from by SM
Well they said that they were collecting data while the trail was on going that's why the trail was extended! I would be interesting to see what the data was or if it was just store managers that just didn't like it because I would have money on it being the latter!
My bakery going to bake off but bakers are going to packers and packers being moved elsewhere
@neetworker i agree with you,our shift leaders only run the shift when there on there own,if a managers in they just follow manager round,so shift leaders seem pointless on nights, night lead coming back sounds like over investment to me,maybe team manager cull later down the line
I have not had chance to speak with my sm as I have been on holiday the last week and I am not back until 10pm tonight but I have just been speaking to one of our union reps and she seems to think that we will be going from 2 night shift leaders to one shift leader and one of the shift leaders are going to be replaced by a night lead
Has anyone else heard anything about this?
Quote from: Seymee on 06-02-24, 07:49PMMy bakery going to bake off but bakers are going to packers and packers being moved elsewhere
Tesco is turning into Lidl.bakers only get 20p hourly more and now Tesco taking a skill away to sell rubbish bread .that some factories had made
so whoare these lead team jobs going to be filled with?,are they just going to promote the existing night manager to lead?,or recruit externally
Quote from: kaled78 on 06-02-24, 08:51PMso whoare these lead team jobs going to be filled with?,are they just going to promote the existing night manager to lead?,or recruit externally
They'll be filled by the old leads returning, but they'll demand (and probably get) 10% more pay because absolutely nobody wants to be a night manager anymore............ Another stroke of genius 🤣
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 06-02-24, 08:15PM@neetworker i agree with you,our shift leaders only run the shift when there on there own,if a managers in they just follow manager round,so shift leaders seem pointless on nights, night lead coming back sounds like over investment to me,maybe team manager cull later down the line
Considering the fact that night shift leads get paid for the hours that they work, meaning most are making (at least) 35k+, the actual cost of replacing a shift lead with a lead Manager is pretty small.......
The bread in part bake is not worthy of being called bread .
What the timeline for bakery's
the joke of it is we had 2 pallets of flour delivered yesterday,then get told scratch bakery is going,and we are going to part bake
Quote from: cheesy cob on 06-02-24, 08:51PMQuote from: Seymee on 06-02-24, 07:49PMMy bakery going to bake off but bakers are going to packers and packers being moved elsewhere
Tesco is turning into Lidl.bakers only get 20p hourly more and now Tesco taking a skill away to sell rubbish bread .that some factories had made
20p an hour more?
Quote from: Poka on 06-02-24, 08:43PMI have not had chance to speak with my sm as I have been on holiday the last week and I am not back until 10pm tonight but I have just been speaking to one of our union reps and she seems to think that we will be going from 2 night shift leaders to one shift leader and one of the shift leaders are going to be replaced by a night lead
Has anyone else heard anything about this?
It's Band B stores which it affects. Seems like every other stores are staying at the current structure.
Quote from: jgerry on 07-02-24, 07:46AMQuote from: cheesy cob on 06-02-24, 08:51PMQuote from: Seymee on 06-02-24, 07:49PMMy bakery going to bake off but bakers are going to packers and packers being moved elsewhere
Tesco is turning into Lidl.bakers only get 20p hourly more and now Tesco taking a skill away to sell rubbish bread .that some factories had made
20p an hour more?
I'm just guessing it lower then that
Quote from: cheesy cob on 07-02-24, 06:41AMWhat the timeline for bakery's ]
Go bake off in 12 weeks I think they said
Is that every single store or selected stores always happens when I am away on holiday .
I heard only 25 bakeries in the uk going to bake-off
Bakery going in our store to bake off! Some bakers are gutted as there is no redundancy, just moving the packers around the store. Wage clerk is going to checkouts, again no redundancy
How much do band B stores take?
That sounds like full scratch might be staying good news.probably just white dough then.
Not a peep in my store, we're staying scratch for a bit longer it seems.
I really don't know why anyone would be paying the Union anymore.
Every one of these decisions has been run through the union as part of the 'Partnership', and the union has just rolled over and had their bellies ticked.
Waste of Money.
Without wanting to get into too much of a debate over the usefulness of any union, ultimately they only have so many "powers" - and most employment law is strongly in favour of employers - especially large ones with the "muscle" of Tesco - of course, we await to see the results of the "equal pay court cases" (both Tesco and Asda I believe) but it would be somewhat of a surprise if the "little man" (and woman!) has a clearcut victory.
The latest news on Usdaw website relates to the Morrisons Pension scheme changes - Usdaw are very upset and objected strongly - but seemingly the changes are still going ahead -
They are moving from a : Morrisons pays 5% and Employee pays 3% into the pension to the complete opposite -
i.e. Employee pays 5% and Morrisons reduce their contribution to 3%.
So yes, despite the current Tesco pension scheme being significantly less beneficial than the old one (pre 2015), the current arrangement of Tesco matching contributions up to 7.5% compares favourably.
Of course, given what's happened with Morrisons, Tesco could easily change too.
In terms of whether one should continue paying for a union - then most people would argue that the only benefit would be for representation in any disciplinary (or similar) issues at work - but I guess if your store doesn't have a rep or the rep isn't "very clued up" (or happens to be on the options scheme training to be a manager - the case in my store) then you might decide that any help isn't really worth the cost of the membership - so yes, go ahead and cancel.
Unfortunately, there's little prospect that any large scale decisions will "go in our favour" if Tesco decides that they want to do something wide ranging -
And the other thing to consider - although this might sound somewhat greedy (or certainly being a free-rider) - even if you're not a paid up member of the union, any decisions that are made in "partnership" affect us all equally (more or less I think) - it's not like after any pay review for example that union members get a more favourable deal - or similarly in any possible restructures (such as the bakery one being discussed here) -
I would love to know how many Tesco members Usdaw actually has.
Yes they are 30 years I was with them until the double time debacle then I quit them.
If you know your way around what tesco does there are plenty of ex section managers who I would like to think would give good advice like I do they can't pull wool over my eyes .
the fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
Doe people asking about redundancy and whether they will get it or not. Understand that tesco dont want to pay for redundancy. The only people I see getting redundancy is those that work on nights shift managers phone shop employee and pharmacy employee. It is the reason they change the contract.
When it comes to USDAW all tesco members need to revolt. Many years ago we gave up the right to vote without a review date set. Look at our last drivers strike a couple of Christmases ago tesco folded so quick. as shop floor workers paying into the union without the right to vote we have no voice and no real power if every decision had to come down to shop floor members we'd have so much more power.
Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
It tells me that in the grand scheme of things it just isn't worth reporting.
We're a large extra and it's just the one wages clerk affected. Our scratch bakery went 5+ years ago.
Any news on phone shops?
Was at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.
only opening 4 hours a day? ;D
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.
Sorry.... rather tired. Meant 7am to 11pm lol
Quote from: mab47 on 07-02-24, 04:17PMQuote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.
only opening 4 hours a day? ;D
Wooops, my mistake... 7am to 11pm it was meant to be lol
Quote from: TisTime on 07-02-24, 10:57AMI really don't know why anyone would be paying the Union anymore.
Every one of these decisions has been run through the union as part of the 'Partnership', and the union has just rolled over and had their bellies ticked.
Waste of Money.
and their back pockets filled!!
Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 04:27PMQuote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.
Sorry.... rather tired. Meant 7am to 11pm lol
you built my hopes up there :D
Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs? Don't we count?
It's the new contract usdaw took up the ass for us all,nobody counts.
Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
No job losses. Just your skill is been reassigned. Not news
Quote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PMQuote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs? Don't we count?
You're a customer assistant. You're not losing your job. Just your skills are been reassigned.
if anyone thinks they're getting redundancy good luck esp since the union screwed every one over when the contracts changed and we are not dept workers we are colleagues nothing more you will be stuck where Tesco sees fit if you're job role is made redundant .. there has been tons of restructuring in my store management and ga based to the best of my knowledge in the past few years 1 manager was given redundancy all the ga we're kept on deli staff counter staff and other dept restructuring not one ga got redundancy
Quote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 07:22PMOH employee who signed that off needs investigating. Working security but cannot be trained or fit to work elsewhere, biggest load of c**p I've heard in a long long time.
looks like I upset a lot its medical reasons that I won't go into but yes I just do security and agency fill in when I am not there
Quote from: 1982dave on 07-02-24, 06:26PMif anyone thinks they're getting redundancy good luck esp since the union screwed every one over when the contracts changed and we are not dept workers we are colleagues nothing more you will be stuck where Tesco sees fit if you're job role is made redundant .. there has been tons of restructuring in my store management and ga based to the best of my knowledge in the past few years 1 manager was given redundancy all the ga we're kept on deli staff counter staff and other dept restructuring not one ga got redundancy
T is no different to any other retail outlet in restructuring colleagues - many other businesses have restructured so that staff can be reduced/re-used.
Quote from: fscer on 07-02-24, 06:18PMQuote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
No job losses. Just your skill is been reassigned. Not newsQuote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PMQuote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs? Don't we count?
You're a customer assistant. You're not losing your job. Just your skills are been reassigned.
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So on here Night workers are on as tgey are Customer Assistants too on the same contract as us just with a premium! But, they want redundancy if their job goes! Yet with restructuring they should just move to twilight's or early mornings or get another job the same as Wage clerks get moved or get another job! A
with nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
"So on here Night workers are on as tgey are Customer Assistants too on the same contract as us just with a premium! But, they want redundancy if their job goes! Yet with restructuring they should just move to twilight's or early mornings or get another job the same as Wage clerks get moved or get another job!"
The conditions for it being a redundancy situation is "reasonable change" . Moving from an office based job to a shopfloor role is reasonable , a change from working through the night to being expected to reverse your lifestyle and work through the day instead is not a reasonable change . However unpalatable the possibility of having to swap from the office to the shopfloor is, unfortunately there are no grounds for it being a redundancy situation
Quote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PMQuote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.
The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.
Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs? Don't we count?
But we're NOT losing our jobs. Just our roles
Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
Well when deli counters closed in my store there were staff who worked 3-8pm 4-8 pm on counters when counters were removed they were told ya only option was starting 4-5 am to do picking for some a couple of staff that was a 12 hour shift change start and they were told you want a job with Tesco that is it I don't see the difference with someone on nights being told ya doing twilights instead
In this case of the deli counter i know the company last year stuck to the 50% rule in that if your hours changed by more than 50% then it is then a redundancy situation.( a reference was made to this last year in the union/ tesco restructuring meetings.
All I know and like I've said in previous posts from counters and other re structures in past few years just in my store not one general assistant was offered redundancy I don't see how someone going in at 3-4 pm to be told you have to go in 4-5 am is reasonable change it's madness really but we are now all colleagues and at the mercy of Tescos aparent business needs
My understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions ???
Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.
Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.
Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
Actually according to the new contract yes a wage clerk is just a GA with a skill payment.
Have had 6 wage clerks over the last 11 years (large extra) previous 5 had constant complaints from staff, spent 35 to 40 hrs a week in the office, forever moaning about the role.
Latest guy does it in 20 hrs. Helps with P.I the rest of the time. He's universally loved by staff due to the improvements since he took it on and regularly says he doesn't know what the previous clerks were moaning about, makes you wonder.
Also Nights to days is grounds for redundancy, there is no avoiding that one for the company, might seem unfair if you've been moved from all lates to all early on days but it still technically dayshift. Nights to days is essentially an entirely different contract/job role. Easy win for the staff at a tribunal if it came to that
Quote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
What is this new title they're getting?
im guessing not all bakeries are moving away from the scratch since today's Daily News has Bakery Skill Pills of videos on how and what to look out for on the job for managers... including Scratch etc ..
also wage clerk is defined as just a tesco colleague with skill pay as others have said, and theres only 1 page of information of their job responsibilities in the rolepack.. last updated in 2023.
Can anyone advise
Are we to communicate via Q chat or WhatsApp
What's the company line on this
Also if I do not wish to use these platforms to communicate can I "opt " out of that function
Regards
Although not relevant to the topic, Keltikking- the answer to your question is you are only supposed to use Q Chat.
Watsapp isn't approved for sharing company information as its not secure and watsapp users can obtain other colleagues phone number which i believe in some cases within the company has led to harassment.
Thanks for that
But do I have to use q chat or can I just verbally communicate in work
you can verbally communicate in work, theres no requirement to use Q-Chat, they "heavily encourage" it, but its not a MUST, they just say SHOULD use it for everything, if it was must they'd be required to give you a company phone or pay you for the data and such lol.
Q-Chat is definitely not as secure as whatsapp's encryption etc, but they just say its not secure... the main thing like londoner said, is that by adding people to a whatsapp you give out colleague information (Their Number) which said colleague may not want to share with people, so it breaches Data protection etc, whereas with Q-CHAT it goes off of work login, so only people know the name nothing else..
They also can't monitor Whatsapp whereas everything on Q-Chat is monitored... which they wanna keep more of an eye on given the problems over the years... though with that they also mention in the daily news every now and again an email to report people / managers to communicate work information - i think it started like stop@communication or something like that? probably linked in the social media policy anyhow, but comes under conduct for using it, so don't use whatsapp for work related.
So yes, communicate verbally just in work, if nothing is passed onto you during your shift - not your problem... lol.
Speaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates
tesco needs to stop playing mind games and come all out with what they are doing, this is people livelihood they are playing with,
Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates
backdoor hours are already too low. especially in dot com sotres when vans need in and out constantly and the click and collect vans (if no pod) are in and out every hour.
Quote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
What is this new title they're getting?
Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates
There's backdoor hours?
Ours has 8 hours total for the week for an extra :D that includes days and nights, we are always over, they cut the hours other year from 36.5 hours :D so wonder how far they'll cut it this time...
They came up to our only backdoor person before new contract and said they needed to shift his hours down as too much were on backdoor, but needed him on backdoor. They didn't realise he was the only backdoor guy they had 8-)
So now deliveries are usually left for an hour or 2 at backdoor until someone can get to it..
Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates
Hours are not being cut by much. My store losing about 0.75 hours a week from backdoor/warehouse.
Quote from: Daisylou on 08-02-24, 12:57PMQuote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
What is this new title they're getting?
Noticed no one has answered what the new title is but my guess is wage admin as I have asked the union this question today and they said a wage admin is a colleague admin that also does some wage work! I am sure that the wage clerks are just having the wool pulled over their eyes to make us believe our jobs have gone but in theory it has just gone to others and new technology which again is grounds for offering redundancy
Quote from: rupert7 on 08-02-24, 11:58AMtesco needs to stop playing mind games and come all out with what they are doing, this is people livelihood they are playing with,
Only people playing mind games is the ones on here who all speculate because they over hear conversations. If Tesco are going to do something they will tell us. Stop worrying about something that may never happen.
Quote from: candysue on 08-02-24, 05:35PMQuote from: Daisylou on 08-02-24, 12:57PMQuote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
What is this new title they're getting?
Noticed no one has answered what the new title is but my guess is wage admin as I have asked the union this question today and they said a wage admin is a colleague admin that also does some wage work! I am sure that the wage clerks are just having the wool pulled over their eyes to make us believe our jobs have gone but in theory it has just gone to others and new technology which again is grounds for offering redundancy
No.
Wages is completely going. Each line manager will get a new tab on their My Team section which is solely dedicated to their own teams exceptions. Only they can access this. When they are not in the building either day off or holiday they assign another manager to clear the exceptions on their behalf.
TAM is staying but admin colleagues are losing access to everything on People except for dashboards and letters. It's unclear whether the admin colleague will do the payroll reports or whether each line manager signs their own.
It's also unclear at this point who puts new starter details on from week 10. I imagine Admin colleagues will get some access back for periods such as Xmas but it could be that each line managers set up their own new starters from now on.
I believe its the title of Admin/Resources
If Wages tasks are going to the admins then effected Wage colleagues probably do have ground to pursue why consultation for all office staff hasn't been the direct route of travel. Skill payments aside that would have been the fairest way to do this.
Seymee
I hope I'm a fly on the wall when manager's have to set their own new starters up. The Company couldn't have made it any harder if they tried.
W&P is this company's equivalent of the Horizon scandal.
Quote from: lucgeo on 07-02-24, 09:29PMQuote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions ???
Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.
Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.
Wages clerks are not idiots you know! From experience gained from a previous employment is where I gained the knowledge, and the fact that a good majority of the managers that I have worked with over the years in my role are barely through puberty, or can't organise their way out of a paper bag, or both and come to me to do their thinking for them so that they can take the credit. Also there's no "ivory tower", I just have a different kind of customer.
And to be clear, I've seen these changes coming for quite a while now, so I'm not a bit surprised. But I WILL take issue when I'm asked for advice, or to fix something because a manager has screwed it up
what the displaced wages clerks need to do in the future is tell managers "sorry I am no longer in charge of wages",when they ask for advice and not bail them out all the time
Quote from: Elly1519 on 08-02-24, 07:39PMSeymee
I hope I'm a fly on the wall when manager's have to set their own new starters up. The Company couldn't have made it any harder if they tried.
W&P is this company's equivalent of the Horizon scandal.
Well look at Xmas when they removed the ability for Wage clerks and Admins to put bank details on. When HQ realised store managers couldn't cope with all the new temps they added it back on.
I never expected them to drop Wage clerks in the Extras and I honestly can foresee it being a disaster which they have to rectify quickly so my advice to displaced Wage Clerks is hold firm as you might find yourself being asked back in some capacity
Of course it's going to be a disaster. We all know which managers in our stores who are s*** at the paperwork so we can make a good guess at which colleagues won't be paid correctly.
I advise against displaced Wage colleagues riding in to save the day. How offensive it would be if they even dare come begging.. but you just know they will
Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 08-02-24, 07:40PMQuote from: lucgeo on 07-02-24, 09:29PMQuote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions ???
Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.
Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.
Wages clerks are not idiots you know! From experience gained from a previous employment is where I gained the knowledge, and the fact that a good majority of the managers that I have worked with over the years in my role are barely through puberty, or can't organise their way out of a paper bag, or both and come to me to do their thinking for them so that they can take the credit. Also there's no "ivory tower", I just have a different kind of customer.
And to be clear, I've seen these changes coming for quite a while now, so I'm not a bit surprised. But I WILL take issue when I'm asked for advice, or to fix something because a manager has screwed it up
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Wage clerks are unsung heroes and it's devastating this has happened. I agree Extras will be chaos on paydays once this change really takes effect and who will management go running to.......
RE recruitment,I was briefed managers will be taking on their own recruitment hence the new right to work/visa training stuff they have just had to do on click and learn. So the Admin role is now starting to be phased out in the same way Wages was.
Quote from: Elly1519 on 08-02-24, 07:39PMSeymee
I hope I'm a fly on the wall when manager's have to set their own new starters up. The Company couldn't have made it any harder if they tried.
W&P is this company's equivalent of the Horizon scandal.
Admin colleagues will set up new starters on W&P. They will also have to print off the weekly/4 weekly payroll reports and S&A Manager will sign them off. SM will review monthly
Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 07:44PMwhat the displaced wages clerks need to do in the future is tell managers "sorry I am no longer in charge of wages",when they ask for advice and not bail them out all the time
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If my wages are cocked up because of tesco managers not able to do the job I will be going to the press.
I still can't quite believe it to be honest. Some Extras have close to 300 staff, if not more, in what reality is a regular Wage Clerk not needed? The Dairy manager in mine can't even do holidays correctly and now he is expected to sort out pay?
It will become apparent very quickly this move was a mistake.
ours mainly works on stock control and does an hour / 2 upstairs to go over exceptions and such... we're an extra and have last time they said just over 300, managers do the pay queries, the holiday problems, the holidays... have done since the 2022 contract lol. especially since going onto work and pay actually haven't had a wage problem since... so shall see how it goes going forward... I don't personally seen an issue with it.. if they had already reduced the hours of them down already but they were doing a GA role afterwards? may be wrong but shall see how things play out over the next pay periods i guess.
Quote from: Elly1519 on 08-02-24, 07:39PMSeymee
I hope I'm a fly on the wall when manager's have to set their own new starters up. The Company couldn't have made it any harder if they tried.
W&P is this company's equivalent of the Horizon scandal.
Are you prone to over-exaggeration? The situation is clearly unsatisfactory but to compare it to Horizon is ridiculous. It will be user error from managers not an IT system problem and nobody is going to be sent to prison because of it. Get real.
Just been thinking about that comment re. Horizon. It's obscene.
No-one's died knowing they're innocent of any theft - no-one's been jailed or lost their house or livelihood.
Get a grip for goodness' sake.
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 09-02-24, 10:45AMours mainly works on stock control and does an hour / 2 upstairs to go over exceptions and such... we're an extra and have last time they said just over 300, managers do the pay queries, the holiday problems, the holidays... have done since the 2022 contract lol. especially since going onto work and pay actually haven't had a wage problem since... so shall see how it goes going forward... I don't personally seen an issue with it.. if they had already reduced the hours of them down already but they were doing a GA role afterwards? may be wrong but shall see how things play out over the next pay periods i guess.
Whether it's a success will depend on the quality of managers your store has. There will be no hiding from the fact they are c**p at their job if every month they have colleagues who haven't been paid correctly.
Oh I agree, they change ours out every 2 to 3 years, for many many years there's been problems but recently with a new one that started there's been less issues, so have to see how things go and if he sticks to the job... Most tend to leave quick if they do well ;D
Peoples reactions to this news is laughable. A lot of people here could not have been in the company very long at all. If they have been in the company a while they must have had their heads buried in the sand over the years when it's been job cut after job cut, role change after role change etc
I've been around long enough to see cut after cut after cut. When nights went everyone said it wouldn't work - everyone said it would be a disaster. Well yes that is correct, it doesn't work and it is a disaster...... but Tesco do not care.
Majority of us minions are GAs, with primary and secondary departments. Basically expected to work anywhere in or outside of the building that matches the hours in our availability and in our training.
The golden-era of Tesco is long gone and it has been for a while. For those who are seriously unhappy you really need to leave and move on. It is not going to get any better.
I am actively looking for alternative employment, I suggest a lot of colleagues also do the same.
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I agree with everything you say job cut after job cut year on year, some cuts work some dont the nights to twilight may not work in all stores but in some it does but even in the ones it does not work in the company sees the move as possative and where it does work it is more than likely down to a good team and an organised management .
Totally agree its a s*** show more days than not now.Just makes me laugh they saying it's a great place to work,it's about time the company was honest with itself.Been hell for various reasons the past few years so I too am actively training to leave should have done it years ago but hey if you can't see a future make your own,tesco isn't worth it anymore.
from big wigs to head office they need to spend some time in some of these stores to see for them self how the staff
work,because some of the things they want us to implement just dont work out,for us or the customers, i will give you a classic example a customers wanted something from top shelf i could hardly reach it my self and i,m a tall person, even using a kick stool,just may be if they spent time with us workers they would have a much better understanding how things should work, :thumbup:
Let's face it a vast majority of the big wigs in Tesco wouldn't have a clue how the day to day running of a store went and would be shocked if they witnessed things .. it's like when a store gets wind of a senior management visit so they paper over the cracks and make everything look pretty so store manager looks that little bit better you never see said senior management speaking to general assistants asking how they feel ..
most of them probably don't even shop in tesco,they prefer waitrose or m&s
end of the day come in, do your work and go, give them hell if your not paid, make notes etc and make them pay for it if they try to bully you... don't do more than the minimum... thats what the standard is now.
Couldn't agree more
So I'm a night manager, around this 4 day a week working the briefing never stated this was a trial and even gave us our hours if we chose to go down to a 4 night week. We've had no official word on this being pulled apart from what's been on here. Me amongst other managers in our area are thinking of putting a grievance in, was wondering if others are doing the same?
It will be interesting to see how this 4 nights a week issue will work out, the night manager and night shift leaders in my store all work 4 nights and are more than happy with it. They have never been told it was a trial either and some of them only applied for the jobs because it was 4 nights rather than 5. I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit to see some of them step down over it.
well thats the thing, theres been numerous mentions of it the daily news and quarterly feedback of the trial and why.. So it's been available and in sight for both colleagues and managers to view, especially if they followed the normal tesco routine and hadn't had any briefing about it? though being offered 4 days would be a fishy thing to begin with for anyone, given how much they always want them in ???
they mentioned it in the q3 quarterly about difficulty being able to retain night managers so the 4 night trial would continue until the end of the financial year and then the findings would be reviewed after christmas and if successful, launch in week 1.
So should be briefs coming up or now? given that week 1 is i believe 4th March? So be something to raise for more answers perhaps?
Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 08-02-24, 07:40PMQuote from: lucgeo on 07-02-24, 09:29PMQuote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions ???
Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.
Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.
Wages clerks are not idiots you know! From experience gained from a previous employment is where I gained the knowledge, and the fact that a good majority of the managers that I have worked with over the years in my role are barely through puberty, or can't organise their way out of a paper bag, or both and come to me to do their thinking for them so that they can take the credit. Also there's no "ivory tower", I just have a different kind of customer.
And to be clear, I've seen these changes coming for quite a while now, so I'm not a bit surprised. But I WILL take issue when I'm asked for advice, or to fix something because a manager has screwed it up
I don't disagree with you in part...but like many you became a victim of your own success and ability.
As an old timer who was trained on many departments, I had more knowledge than most new managers, a lot of who were such due to favouritism or nepotism. If I was asked to help, I'd offer to show them ONCE, so they knew what to do the next time...it was known as "sharing the knowledge" if they asked again I'd tell them to try and do it whilst I looked on. One only learns from practice, not by passing the buck.
At the beginning in my store, my store manager had worked his way up from a Saturday lad, the section managers were moved around departments every 18 months and the wages clerk worked every Saturday to ensure they were available for weekend workers who had wage issues.
Fast forward and the managers are now young and inexperienced, only knowing their own department's basics. They don't have the experience or confidence to speak out or challenge. The only GA's with the most hours are related to the store manager who doesn't know how to use a PA or navigate it through the options to read or check a product profile.
The wage clerk was on 30 hours, Monday - Friday finishing at 4 pm. They were sat in the confidential room that was coded entry management access only! They were far too busy and important to do a rumble and were unapproachable during their break as they were (rightly so) "on their break!" and they only sat with management on the managers table...didn't have one of them back in the day either!
Quote from: DoomandGloom on 10-02-24, 12:24AMSo I'm a night manager, around this 4 day a week working the briefing never stated this was a trial and even gave us our hours if we chose to go down to a 4 night week. We've had no official word on this being pulled apart from what's been on here. Me amongst other managers in our area are thinking of putting a grievance in, was wondering if others are doing the same?
This is the email that the union sent out a couple of days ago.......
Tesco Stores – Four Night Working Trial Update
As you may be aware, the Company has been trialling 4-night working in a number of stores for several months. While the Union originally welcomed this trial, as we know that this is a working pattern that many of our members are interested in working, we were not directly involved and had little to no input into its operation. Given this, the Company have now informed us that the trial has now concluded, and they have decided that they will not be continuing this way of working and there will be a return to 5-night working for full time night Lead Managers, Team Managers and Shift Leaders in these stores from Week 4.
The Union is incredibly disappointed in this decision and has urged the Company to explore other options for the nights' working pattern that will provide a better work life balance and involve and consult with the Union more widely on how a different operation could work. To be clear, the decision not to extend or roll out this trial is solely that of the business and not one that has had any agreement from the trade union, however I wanted to ensure Reps were updated on this.
Regards,
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Manchester, M50 3XZ.
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And yes, last year's briefing stated that night management teams WOULD be given the option to work over 4 nights. Details were supposed to follow after last year's consultation ended (i.e April!). Its not difficult to make it work with a bit of investment into night teams, but Tesco haven't invested into salaried night premium in about 15 years, so f all chance they'd spend even £1 to make this work........
Quote from: 1982dave on 09-02-24, 07:18PMLet's face it a vast majority of the big wigs in Tesco wouldn't have a clue how the day to day running of a store went and would be shocked if they witnessed things .. it's like when a store gets wind of a senior management visit so they paper over the cracks and make everything look pretty so store manager looks that little bit better you never see said senior management speaking to general assistants asking how they feel ..
Always been like that, we had a director visit back in 2018, in the days leading up to said visit parts of the store were painted. All the weeds and a dead tree dug up from the carpark, leaking water cistern in the toilets finally fixed after several years. The day of the visit and loads of staff in on overtime everything running like clock work. As soon as the director was gone those of us on overtime sent home and told would we take it as time back not pay so store did not go over payroll budget.
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-02-24, 10:31AMQuote from: Ginsoakedlush on 08-02-24, 07:40PMQuote from: lucgeo on 07-02-24, 09:29PMQuote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PMQuote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.
You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers
The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions ???
Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.
Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.
Wages clerks are not idiots you know! From experience gained from a previous employment is where I gained the knowledge, and the fact that a good majority of the managers that I have worked with over the years in my role are barely through puberty, or can't organise their way out of a paper bag, or both and come to me to do their thinking for them so that they can take the credit. Also there's no "ivory tower", I just have a different kind of customer.
And to be clear, I've seen these changes coming for quite a while now, so I'm not a bit surprised. But I WILL take issue when I'm asked for advice, or to fix something because a manager has screwed it up
I don't disagree with you in part...but like many you became a victim of your own success and ability.
As an old timer who was trained on many departments, I had more knowledge than most new managers, a lot of who were such due to favouritism or nepotism. If I was asked to help, I'd offer to show them ONCE, so they knew what to do the next time...it was known as "sharing the knowledge" if they asked again I'd tell them to try and do it whilst I looked on. One only learns from practice, not by passing the buck.
At the beginning in my store, my store manager had worked his way up from a Saturday lad, the section managers were moved around departments every 18 months and the wages clerk worked every Saturday to ensure they were available for weekend workers who had wage issues.
Fast forward and the managers are now young and inexperienced, only knowing their own department's basics. They don't have the experience or confidence to speak out or challenge. The only GA's with the most hours are related to the store manager who doesn't know how to use a PA or navigate it through the options to read or check a product profile.
The wage clerk was on 30 hours, Monday - Friday finishing at 4 pm. They were sat in the confidential room that was coded entry management access only! They were far too busy and important to do a rumble and were unapproachable during their break as they were (rightly so) "on their break!" and they only sat with management on the managers table...didn't have one of them back in the day either!
it sounds like my old store this! 😳
Quote from: penguin on 10-02-24, 12:40PMQuote from: 1982dave on 09-02-24, 07:18PMLet's face it a vast majority of the big wigs in Tesco wouldn't have a clue how the day to day running of a store went and would be shocked if they witnessed things .. it's like when a store gets wind of a senior management visit so they paper over the cracks and make everything look pretty so store manager looks that little bit better you never see said senior management speaking to general assistants asking how they feel ..
Always been like that, we had a director visit back in 2018, in the days leading up to said visit parts of the store were painted. All the weeds and a dead tree dug up from the carpark, leaking water cistern in the toilets finally fixed after several years. The day of the visit and loads of staff in on overtime everything running like clock work. As soon as the director was gone those of us on overtime sent home and told would we take it as time back not pay so store did not go over payroll budget.
;D ours is like that too, had one recently and all the fridges that had been leaking for 2 years often flooding the aisle had miraculously had a quick repair to them, gate was fixed at the back, overtime was being thrown around like $1"s at a club... All backstock done, all day managers in from 4am ready for the 8am visit ???
Last time i saw the store like that, it was a refit :D
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 10-02-24, 07:29AMwell thats the thing, theres been numerous mentions of it the daily news and quarterly feedback of the trial and why.. So it's been available and in sight for both colleagues and managers to view, especially if they followed the normal tesco routine and hadn't had any briefing about it? though being offered 4 days would be a fishy thing to begin with for anyone, given how much they always want them in ???
they mentioned it in the q3 quarterly about difficulty being able to retain night managers so the 4 night trial would continue until the end of the financial year and then the findings would be reviewed after christmas and if successful, launch in week 1.
So should be briefs coming up or now? given that week 1 is i believe 4th March? So be something to raise for more answers perhaps?
Anyone know what stores had the trial?
Quote from: londoner83 on 08-01-24, 06:48PMMore stores to lose nights, main bank checkouts opening times restricted and losing premiums would be my guesses.
Also feel Admin, Wages and Cash Office tasks could be scaled back even more.
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Wages is going, admin staying cash office hours to be scaled back. Anyone know who the alternative colleagues will be that will be doing wages as well as managers.. all I can say is we need to be double checking our pay from now on
So Far the rumblings rumours, confirmations to what is happening in Tesco.
.Night managers staying on 5 nights
.Bakery going to part Bake
.Wage clerk role removed or reduced
.Back door hours cut
.Tesco moving all stores 7am to
11pm
.More checkouts going to self scan
.Night premium cuts
Now from my store down in Kent, not a single peep has been said about any of this going on, normally no news is good news, but I feel the news has not even come out yet. Nothing on the new pay either.
Looking at most above, our bakery have so much waste I'm surprised it has not been scratched sooner. We are pretty dead most mornings at 6am and upto 11pm so I wouldn't be shocked to see hours open and close times moved.
You get couple regulars, but nothing major. What would these hours mean for nights, I'd say more will be removed, with early starts to fill. We already have .com come in a fill then go onto a 3/4 hour .com shift providing the hours are there.
We moan alot about our evenings nit being handed over good enough, sitting on too much stock is a major problem in our store. Move nights to twilights would fix this, moving delivery times, which most double deckers come in earlier than the single lorry at around 10pm/11pm.
Most of our night crew don't think it would work, of course it would. Because we would be the ones filling the backstock and then gaps from the double decker for availability. Morning would pick up the single lorry and fill the rest of the day. That cuts your night premium down to half or more depending the times shifts of twighlight hours. We have roughly 10 full timers on nights, which I'm surprised those haven't made the cut over the last couple year so tesco go on a pay as you go shift pattern.
Can't comment much on wage clerks, but managers do most exceptions. But if it was managers to do those roles, more hours put into day filling, the more likely nights go.
Most intriguing thing coming up this year along with tesco bank being sold, they face a big equal pay battle.
I think the no news is not necessarily good news, but wish there was something concrete as its all rumours and here say.
Confirmed at ours that wages going, bakery also gone, ours wasn't a trial store but they knew the 4 days wouldn't be rolled out cause it's what they wanted 8-)
Night lead won't be returning to nights at ours so far from what's been said.
More checkouts going self scan is a known thing as its called project river, they are rolling it out over a few years it seems? So you'll get the checkouts like asda where you do it yourself, fun.
some stores already have the self scan checkouts for trolley shops,it's an easy win for tesco,as all they do is turn the screen around to face the customer,update the software and hey ho,no need for a cashier
Does anyone know how this will affect the pay rise?Also has anyone heard anything cause their was a meeting planned then it's been put back to early March?
If there changing all stops to 7 till people have the right to say they can't do certain hours like me I care for family member cant change my hours
Quote from: Captain001 on 12-02-24, 10:14AMDoes anyone know how this will affect the pay rise?Also has anyone heard anything cause their was a meeting planned then it's been put back to early March?
How what will affect the pay rise?
@mickeymouse1962 id wait to see if it gets announced first,im sure theyd let you drop an hour or pick on dot com,fill for an hour before starting on security at 7,
Quote from: Misery on 12-02-24, 06:41PMQuote from: Captain001 on 12-02-24, 10:14AMDoes anyone know how this will affect the pay rise?Also has anyone heard anything cause their was a meeting planned then it's been put back to early March?
How what will affect the pay rise?
Have you heard what pay rise will be?
Does anyone have the official comms for the wage clerk role disappearing? I am a wage clerk and have just been told jobs going but not actually been shown/given any info regarding this.
There is a stop start continue on Comms that explains the time scales and the redistribution of the wages role.
Quote from: ll on 14-02-24, 12:37PMThere is a stop start continue on Comms that explains the time scales and the redistribution of the wages role.
I don't have access to comms could you post it or send it please
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 12-02-24, 06:32PMIf there changing all stops to 7 till people have the right to say they can't do certain hours like me I care for family member cant change my hours
If you're a 6am start and now your store doesn't open until 7am and you say you can't change to an hour later start, you'll just be sent to pack from 6-7, simple as, you're a Tesco Colleague and the company can do that based on your contract
Our night managers have ATC'd their comments about the 4 night working week, not that this will have any effect.
Tesco needs to start looking after their night teams instead of ignoring their needs.
just may be this is to our stores soon,Lidl is introducing electronic shelf labels to all its stores by the end of the year,when they do that they dont need many staff going around,but it,s all to do with saving money,that brings me on to my next question what will they do about nights its become a joke some nights we lack a full teams due to hoildays or off sick,so what little of us left to do the work to get the store ready for the morning trade, we are all over the place.? the days of people wanting to work nights are over because tesco in its wisdom has made it less appealing by cutting back on premiums for nights staff,and the youngster rather partying on week-ends,in other words we have had a few new starters but they find the work to hard and dont last long,the majority of the night staff are over age of 40 plus so when we have all gone, aand some of us will soon be retiring ,we have also found that some times night staff feel left out and our needs being innored,in fairness some of the youngster have spent a few days on nights, but they all say the same thing they found it very hard on nights,so what will tesco do about nights in its present state?
European co-ops in the swiss alps have electronic labels and shelves. It has been round for years.
Has anyone on here had the new produce shelving in their store? They had a trial in Ely and apparently it went really well. I went in another tesco store with the new shelving and it always looks empty.
something seems to be going on with H&B as well,they are changing it to wider shelves,to hold more stock,I assume to either cut filling hours or move it to daytime fill?
Quote from: Seymee on 08-02-24, 07:16PMQuote from: candysue on 08-02-24, 05:35PMQuote from: Daisylou on 08-02-24, 12:57PMQuote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PMQuote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"
What is this new title they're getting?
Noticed no one has answered what the new title is but my guess is wage admin as I have asked the union this question today and they said a wage admin is a colleague admin that also does some wage work! I am sure that the wage clerks are just having the wool pulled over their eyes to make us believe our jobs have gone but in theory it has just gone to others and new technology which again is grounds for offering redundancy
No.
Wages is completely going. Each line manager will get a new tab on their My Team section which is solely dedicated to their own teams exceptions. Only they can access this. When they are not in the building either day off or holiday they assign another manager to clear the exceptions on their behalf.
TAM is staying but admin colleagues are losing access to everything on People except for dashboards and letters. It's unclear whether the admin colleague will do the payroll reports or whether each line manager signs their own.
It's also unclear at this point who puts new starter details on from week 10. I imagine Admin colleagues will get some access back for periods such as Xmas but it could be that each line managers set up their own new starters from now on.
And some of the wage clerks job pack is moving into the admins role.
Quote from: kaled78 on 16-02-24, 03:50PMsomething seems to be going on with H&B as well,they are changing it to wider shelves,to hold more stock,I assume to either cut filling hours or move it to daytime fill?
Makes sense,
H and B is a joke with the tiny shelves that cn usually fit 5 big or 7 mall items, so its either a skim layer or lots of individual backsotck making a mess and getting counted out all the time.
Electronic stripping has been around for a good while. I remember seeing it at EuroSpar stores in the Canary Islands over 10yrs ago. It is a long way off being installed in Tesco stores. For a start the culture in stores would need to drastically change. Filling stock in the correct place would have to be 100% accurate at all times, merch plans would have to be implemented 100% to the planogram etc. These things should be what we do anyway but we all know the culture is rotten from the top to the bottom. Plenty of SDs, store managers and team managers who have their own ideas of how things should be whilst blatantly ignoring correct process.
Also our IT system is prehistoric to say the least.
Amen to that. People stuck in their own ways fillings at times. Don't take out of stock labels out or stick to the correct facings.
How I wish everyone would fill as we should ...would make my life so much easier and if I'm honest managers can be the worst offenders .I'm not putting all managers in that category only the ones I have the pleasure of following. 😉
Also there has to be respect for equipment it wouldn't be long before the ESEL
Were hanging from the shelves broken.
100%, they would be smashed to bits inside a month in my store. Merchandising is a joke, facings are rarely what they're meant to be, and half the staff don't seem to read the labels anyway...fit errors everywhere with products merchandised sideways etc... electronic SELs would be wasted on my store.
Head office planners are an issue too. you have shelves "planned" so tight you cant fit items in even to plan. also have to line old lines in that havnt gone rtc to the end.
Then you get all these bubbles c**p and extra shelf blockers, or pos that makes the shelves a little bit tighter.
Look at the chillers trying to get items in through those "airflow" things.
well they are definitely getting rid of the wage clerk role as people said anyhow, but they mentioned it on feedback.
Feedback: Managers are asking how they will access attendance records for their colleagues' team when
covering leave after the removal of the wage clerk role.
Response: This information will still be available through the colleague with the skill of admin.
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 10-02-24, 07:01PMQuote from: penguin on 10-02-24, 12:40PMQuote from: 1982dave on 09-02-24, 07:18PMLet's face it a vast majority of the big wigs in Tesco wouldn't have a clue how the day to day running of a store went and would be shocked if they witnessed things .. it's like when a store gets wind of a senior management visit so they paper over the cracks and make everything look pretty so store manager looks that little bit better you never see said senior management speaking to general assistants asking how they feel ..
Always been like that, we had a director visit back in 2018, in the days leading up to said visit parts of the store were painted. All the weeds and a dead tree dug up from the carpark, leaking water cistern in the toilets finally fixed after several years. The day of the visit and loads of staff in on overtime everything running like clock work. As soon as the director was gone those of us on overtime sent home and told would we take it as time back not pay so store did not go over payroll budget.
;D ours is like that too, had one recently and all the fridges that had been leaking for 2 years often flooding the aisle had miraculously had a quick repair to them, gate was fixed at the back, overtime was being thrown around like $1"s at a club... All backstock done, all day managers in from 4am ready for the 8am visit ???
Last time i saw the store like that, it was a refit :D
Honestly why, they got the hub, they get a far more honest view of the store if they just spent a couple of hours watching the CCTV cameras at random times during the day.
Wage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
There's not much of a difference though when you look at the job role vs a GA, it's just using a bit of systems too, which they've been just slowly moving people over and training anyhow, so if you ever did an hour on the shop floor or whatever then there went your option of redundancy, cause you've shown you can do that area too... Its annoying but it's going to happen more and more to be honest with roles.. They are sly, all companies are.
Blame the union for allowing this with the changes to the contracts you had a massive outlet on redundancies in 2019 with the metro restructuring and now it's barely happend since if at all you have had departments closed ie deli counters etc etc and from my store alone not one staff member was given a sniff of redundancy but they were told staff who were contracted 3-8 4-8 pm had to come in and do a 4-5am start on picking as there was jobs available and redundancy was not a option
things can only get worse, sad to say this but the only people who will get redundancy now will be the night teams, if and when the time comes.its all about money and cost cutting right to the bear bones. >:D
A severe time change would be something that may be a redundancy option though? So that seems like some bits are missing in that like before, maybe it was shown people who were refused the redundancy had done an earlier shift at some point leading up to it etc... But like you say things can and will only get worse as time goes on, if they want rid of nights it'll be a force people out of the positions with the workload and such, rather so they can save on paying out as much later.
Quote from: Bessington on 24-02-24, 07:02PMWage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
The union have written to Tesco questioning why no redundancies have been offered
Speak to your union rep as they've all had a email with the copy of the letter sent
Quote from: Tesworker on 28-02-24, 03:44PMQuote from: Bessington on 24-02-24, 07:02PMWage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
The union have written to Tesco questioning why no redundancies have been offered
Speak to your union rep as they've all had a email with the copy of the letter sent
The letter was dated 14th February
Tesco will say the position ain't been made redundant as most employers within a store are now classed as Tesco Colleagues and current wages clerks will remain as Tesco Colleagues even after this change.
It may even be the case that after this change their days and shifts remain the same.
To the average man/woman in the street asking someone to work on the shopfloor within a supermarket on the same shifts they were on - isn't a unreasonable request for that supermarket worker (which it needs to be for it to be classed as a redundancy situation).
Quote from: Bessington on 24-02-24, 07:02PMWage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
When the new contract came in it meant no more redundancy expect if you lost your hour or got less pay.
Quote from: Bobmay on 28-02-24, 05:33PMQuote from: Bessington on 24-02-24, 07:02PMWage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
When the new contract came in it meant no more redundancy expect if you lost your hour or got less pay.
The wage role still says wage clerk not colleague
So pleased scratch bakery is going, nobody wants it anymore, bake off way forward
Only going in 25 stores
Quote from: AudiTTman on 28-02-24, 09:06PMSo pleased scratch bakery is going, nobody wants it anymore, bake off way forward
my store still has scratch bakery
An end to the awful groundhog day music blaring out 24/7 would be very welcome
Quote from: Armin on 29-02-24, 10:15AMAn end to the awful groundhog day music blaring out 24/7 would be very welcome
:thumbup: yeah thats about their limit on supporting your mental health.Its pathetic.
Worst thing
Constantly short staffed, managers tend to pick on the hardest workers to pick up the slack of others or give them extra jobs when others are taking their time. Holidays given out unfairly, not first come first served. >:D
Agreed you see it everywhere my store is crazy for it people constantly kissing backside getting away with doing zero getting away with it whilst some staff are pushed to breaking point . Certain staff getting shifts to suit them and then depts left way way to short more work for the ones who are left but sadly this problem has allways existed you get in with the click and you're set
Sainsburys might be chopping more jobs including bakery roles
https://news.sky.com/story/sainsburys-to-cut-1500-jobs-in-cost-cutting-plan-13083846
I can see a few more Tesco bakeries going part bake each year,until they eventually do the lot
Tesco Annual Number of Employees
2021 367,321
2020 423,092
2019 464,505
2018 448,988
work force (https://www.statista.com/statistics/490882/tesco-group-united-kingdom-uk-number-of-employees/)
the work force is getting smaller by the year
As of 2023, Tesco employs approximately 309,300 individuals in the United Kingdom. This figure has fluctuated over the years, with the number of employees increasing from around 300,000 in 2012 to a peak of about 326,000 in 2022 before declining slightly1. Tesco, a multinational grocery and general merchandise retailer, was founded in 1919 and is headquartered in Hertfordshire, UK. It operates nearly 5,000 stores worldwide, making it one of the leading supermarket brands in the UK in terms of grocery market share
In 2022, Tesco employed approximately 354,744 individuals in the United Kingdom. This figure represents a 3.42% decline from the previous year1. Tesco, a multinational-operating grocery and general merchandise retailer, was founded in 1919 by Jack Cohen and is currently headquartered in Hertfordshire, United Kingdom. The company's product portfolio includes food and beverages, clothing, home appliances, and financial services. Tesco consistently ranks highest in terms of grocery market share in the UK
I guess we should expect the workforce to reduce year on year because of the various savings that have been made over the years - from a front end point of view, surely self serve and SAYS have reduced the need - and obviously across most shop floor depts, they have all been cut back - not to mention head office and distribution centres (probably) - so unless Tesco has increased its number of stores - which seems unlikely, then staff numbers would fall - of course, staff numbers and Full Time Equiv Posts are two different things - in theory, with their pledge to have min 16 hour contracts, then in theory overall staff numbers should fall more - as 80 hours would be covered by a min of 5 people whereas previously it could have been 10 or more.
When Tesco quote how much our pay review represents an "investment in their people" - again, the investment "per person/per post" should fall year on year as more efficiencies are made - and Tesco doesn't grow (by more stores/other areas)
These are the staff numbers for UK & ROI as quoted in Tesco's published accounts:
The table below shows the average number of employees by segment during the financial year (so for 2023, this is the period Mar2022-Feb2023).
Av No. of Employees: Av. No. of FTE posts:
2022 326,218 204,974
2023 309,366 196,911
Hopefully - when I press "POST" the formatting above won't go all skewiff.
I'd expect the numbers to fall again when this year's accounts get published in a few months time.
The number of stores stripping out tills and replacing with self-serve, and all the stories on here about other depts slashing hours and numbers - it's completely inevitable.
Whilst overall head count is down, the volume of internal jobs our is currently sitting at 3157 - check the internal careers website for yourself, and that's not even including the number vacancies out external which is currently sitting at 2684 jobs. What you would also need to take into consideration, Tesco has quit a diverse workforce, and large portion of the workforce are now nearing retirement age. So while we may be seeing a reduced workforce, getting the roles filled again is proving even more difficult.
Even the DC's are struggling for colleagues, and that was an area of the business were getting a job was like gold dust.
Quote from: AudiTTman on 28-02-24, 09:06PMSo pleased scratch bakery is going, nobody wants it anymore, bake off way forward
why??? Part bake bread looks like and tastes like sh#t and pumped with chemicals
Scratch baked was just rock hard burnt bread more often than not ;D
Glad ours is going
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 03-03-24, 11:58PMScratch baked was just rock hard burnt bread more often than not ;D
Glad ours is going
have you seen tasted part bake bread ?
Quote from: Monkeyman999 on 04-03-24, 03:37PMQuote from: oldfashionedplayer on 03-03-24, 11:58PMScratch baked was just rock hard burnt bread more often than not ;D
Glad ours is going
have you seen tasted part bake bread ?
agreed the part baked bread is worse than awful just same as the god awful donuts
Anyone know what time the pay briefing is at today?
10am
Quote from: fatlad on 05-03-24, 07:33AM10am
Usdaw brief is 10-12. Then SM. Then us !
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this looks legit...
Yes, we've been discussing it on the pay review thread for a while now
for people to say that "im surprised it has not been leaked" a lot of peoples predictions were £12.02
Quote from: Tesworker on 28-02-24, 08:49PMQuote from: Bobmay on 28-02-24, 05:33PMQuote from: Bessington on 24-02-24, 07:02PMWage clerk position now made redundant but redundancy pay not on the table.why is there not more outcry about this it is a vital part to ensure staff are paid correctly.I think the very least voulantry redundancy could of been offered a lot of us have been in the job for many years and now we are told going forward we now have to fit in on shop floor.union rep answer well you new it was going to happen at some point.yes and was told we would get redundancy pay.this is what we pay our union fees for years.
When the new contract came in it meant no more redundancy expect if you lost your hour or got less pay.
The wage role still says wage clerk not colleague
We have argue this with People Partner and with managers. They say we are just Tesco Colleague, yet today, an email was sent saying Wages Clerks.
How are the other wages clerks doing?
well they definitely changed bits anyhow, there was a wage clerk role under the large store packs, cause i remember looking at it but its not there now...
but it still refers to wage clerks etc as "having access" Introduction
We have made some changes to the Tesco Store Administrator (TSA) role to ensure that only Wage Clerks and Store Managers have access. This role provides access to colleague data to complete payroll activities.
that was last updated back in 2023, so that would still be relevant information on a role Date updated: July 19, 2023 12:15
says about:
Who should have this role?
This role is for Wage Clerks and Store Managers. If you are a Stock & Admin Manager or Admin Assistant and require this access as part of your role and this has been agreed by your store manager, then you can request access by following"
so if roles were indeed updated with contract then who were these wage clerks? ??? - if they were indeed too, then the colleague should of got a full contract update again, but instead with it being a longer one to sign, like us no one got anything unless you requested it, so that'd be an easy way to prove too.. >:D