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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #25 on: 07-08-21, 08:13AM »
How do you get people to voluntarily leave a job without offering redundancy?

Most financial settlements to leave a company come with terms and conditions.
You will almost certainly not be able to discuss your package, and you will in most circumstances also loose your right to take the company to tribunial by accepting the package.
This solution is used in Tesco far more than staff will think. However only normally for roles that are Store Manager level and above.

Oh right that makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #26 on: 07-08-21, 11:04AM »
They paid off a number of superstore and extra store managers a few years back who they wanted out the company for one reason or another, SD and another senior person would turn up in store and the manager was taken to the office by the SD and told here is your offer take it or be managed out, those who accepted were given 20 mins to clear there office and then escorted out of the building.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #27 on: 07-08-21, 06:30PM »
Yea happened to ours, bloke turned up with his oppo and 30 mins later they walked the SM out of the store never to be seen again. Made me chuckle the guy was a complete bellend used to abuse anyone and everyone to get what he wanted.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #28 on: 08-08-21, 07:41AM »
It impossible to not offer someone redundancy going from nights to days. It's on the government website stating this. More scare tactics I think.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #29 on: 08-08-21, 01:09PM »
They have been allowed to get away with it for years because the Union isn't fighting them when it should, I watched stock control be decimated in my store, the made redundant one excellent full time staff member to replace her with her own daughter on half the hours to so the exact same job.

They wonder why it doesn't get all done.

The union sat there and allowed it to happen and refused all claims of illegal redundancy the 4 members I know ask about.
Only 1 went to a private solicitor and won a sizable settlement.

The same happens everytime, the company tells the union what it's doing and the union doesn't bat a eye.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #30 on: 08-08-21, 09:45PM »
Completely agree.

I can't help but wonder how much money they've lost these past few years with these changes which, as yet, have seemingly had the opposite effect to the one they clearly hoped for originally.

I don't know what it's like in other stores but as time passes it's more and more evident the cracks are getting bigger and bigger yet, out there somewhere, the Union will be nodding along to the next big 'thing'.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #31 on: 08-08-21, 11:08PM »
I think it's rather funny that they've seen a sudden spike in waste figures since stock control was decimated, I mean who'd have thought that having almost no stock control staff would mean waste goes up, the company is a joke and so too is the union.
The reps are too busy worrying about going away on their jollies as they call them  the few reps in it for the members quickly get pushed out and ostracised.

Hell I know the rep who caused Pandora and he's no longer a rep  when they lost him I and several others left USDAW because the other reps were a joke.
It comes to something when the rep who busts his ass for the members is let go, I couldn't believe it when as soon as he left another employee is then put in place as a rep, without the voting rules being followed.

Tesco will get away with axing these guys because there's nobody to fight them, and the people being axed know this because they have overseen this for the past 2 years happening.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch in my honest opinion.
« Last Edit: 09-08-21, 10:37AM by Nomad »

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #32 on: 08-08-21, 11:13PM »
The problem are the members themselves, if enough people stopped signing up to and paying USDAW and dropping memership numbers to 0, a united movement maybe in the form of a change.org petition could call for USDAW to be scrapped as Tescos recognised union and replaced with a proper one.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #33 on: 09-08-21, 09:56AM »
I think it's rather funny that they've seen a sudden spike in waste figures since stock control was decimated, I mean who'd have thought that having almost no stock control staff would mean waste goes up, the company is a joke and so too is the union.
The reps are too busy worrying about going away on their jollies as they call them  the few reps in it for the members quickly get pushed out and ostracised.

Hell I know the rep who caused Pandora and he's no longer a rep  when they lost him I and several others left USDAW because the other reps were a joke.
It comes to something when the rep who busts his ass for the members is let go, I couldn't believe it when as soon as he left another employee is then put in place as a rep, without the voting rules being followed.

Tesco will get away with axing these guys because there's nobody to fight them, and the people being axed know this because they have overseen this for the past 2 years happening.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch in my honest opinion.

You have no clue what being a rep means, First you realise its a voluntary position in no way paid other than time back when you have to go in to rep someone who takes a day off a week for 'illness' at stupid o'clock. These jollies as you call them are training camps usually they last less than 3 days and you go on a couple at the start of your tenure an a voluntary rep and again get nothing for it other than travel expenses  and the joy of being away from your family stuck in a classroom all day.

Then we get to the repping part. You know the part you say they are useless at.

Well they can only do what is laid down in the rules they have no authority per say except to try and keep the tesco managers to follow policy and again they can only try they can not force anyone to do anything and only advise the client to react after the fact.

People like you make me sick, complain loudly and often but wont do anything to rectify the problems you think exist, Put your name forward to be a rep I will second you then you can do the thankless task of reping ungrateful nobs like you.


Leave the union if you feel that let down save your tenner.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #34 on: 09-08-21, 10:33AM »
Administrator Comment Topic is Regional people partners not reps or union.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #35 on: 09-08-21, 04:57PM »
I've heard that the whole People structure is under review and the big People Managers have gone and the People Partners are being done in September!
Just pay them off and get rid..........it's an expensive layer we don't need!!
We can then get into our stores what they need.........more Colleagues!!
We don't need unnecessary Managers   >:(

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #36 on: 09-08-21, 05:01PM »
It's long overdue, all that the people team does can easily be dealt with by head office and training teams.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #37 on: 09-08-21, 05:06PM »
Does anyone know what they actually do?

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #38 on: 09-08-21, 05:15PM »
I was a rep for 4 years, still am just not for USDAW might what to actually check your facts before spouting off.
USDAW works with the regional people partners to keep the status quo, in that it keeps a weak union with the reps who like myself who were combative when rights were trampled and where then punished for doing what a rep should.

Like I said the best 3 reps in my store were all asked to step down within months of me, I'm now a proud member of a different union, one which doesn't cow down to managerial structure of Tesco getting rid of regional people partners is a good thing, shame the union won't do the same and axe more of the middle management wastage.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #39 on: 09-08-21, 05:59PM »
Does anyone know what they actually do?

"People partners" (Tesco talk for HR managers) are supposed to fulfil HR functions ranging from determining compensation packages (that would be at the executive level or C-suite), deal with grievances and disciplinaries (more to make sure the process is followed correctly as well as doing these activities at a senior level), recruitment (there's a recruitment team, but HR would determine policies for them to follow) and a whole lot of office admin to make sure employee data is correct and not in breach of things like Right to Work (a check that is done after being checked by the hiring managers), as well as oversee training.

In practice though, a lot of what makes a HR manager a skilled role (determining compensation packages for professional positions is harder than for unskilled positions due to increased competition and supply and demand being more in favour of professional workers and recruitment is a lot easier as there's more to choose from) doesn't apply to Retail HR managers, this is probably why Tesco rebranded them "People Partners".
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #40 on: 09-08-21, 07:00PM »
I've heard that the whole People structure is under review and the big People Managers have gone and the People Partners are being done in September!
Just pay them off and get rid..........it's an expensive layer we don't need!!
We can then get into our stores what they need.........more Colleagues!!
We don't need unnecessary Managers   >:(

Getting rid of most of the people partners and managers wont result in more staff in stores, it will just result in money saved on the wage bill.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #41 on: 09-08-21, 08:58PM »
It impossible to not offer someone redundancy going from nights to days. It's on the government website stating this. More scare tactics I think.

Can you please provide a link to the government website page that states this as I cannot find it. Cheers

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #42 on: 10-08-21, 10:51AM »
A alternative job offer has to be reasonable. Any legal textbook will state things that are clearly not reasonable are moves from days to nights and vive versa.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #43 on: 11-08-21, 12:25PM »
pleasantly surprised at the response to this post
whether it is redundancy or a 'brown envelope' it clearly shows what the company values are - one rule for us and one for them.
so glad i have only a short while to go.
forty odd years of service leaving with a very bitter taste.
good luck to all.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #44 on: 11-08-21, 06:33PM »
Good luck with your future..........and as we all know there is life after T.  :)

Redundancy or Brown envelope - let's hope it's like a plaster that gets ripped off quickly so that the stores can move on with one layer less of bureaucracy!!!

We don't need them anyway  ???
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #45 on: 12-08-21, 01:57PM »
It’s only a matter of time before they do the same with the store people partners or remove the role completely. Staff can already get a lot of info on our tosco.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #46 on: 12-08-21, 10:48PM »
It's been my experience that people partners actually don't know the policies very well, as little respect as I have for the majority of reps they're better informed than almost any manager

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #47 on: 13-08-21, 04:16PM »
I have never spoken to ours she has stopped visiting the store and when she used to come she sat in the interview room playing on her phone chatting until she decided it was time to go home.

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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #48 on: 14-08-21, 06:19PM »
Our regional one in the superstore I worked in before leaving only ever turned up about once every six months and like many other so called big visits the world and his dog knew when she was coming and anyone who might pipe up and complain or tell her what things are really like was kept well out of her way, the only regional people partner I can say anything positive about was the one I had dealings with in express when an S.M was trying to bully a member of staff, once the regional person got involved S.M. soon backed down as he realised he was dealing with someone who was not mucking about, and if your wondering what happened to the said S.M he ended up with a final written for his actions and eventually quit and went to work as a manager for Greggs.
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Re: Regional people partners
« Reply #49 on: 15-08-21, 11:31AM »
I've dealt with 4 regional people partners in my time.

Every single one of them was useless, it seems a theme through Tesco that their managerial and now HR teams are largely useless.
People partners were a change to distance and limit the HR influence and its worked so well Tesco no longer need them.

I've know of these people to lie and make false statements and then be surprised when the colleague proves this and they end up fired for gross misconduct  they're the biggest waste of time and money Tesco has  but let's face it even when they're culled the front line staff aren't going to see any changes.

If they didn't see this coming they're inept  they should have been looking for new jobs 2 years ago when it was first hinted at.