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Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer  with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.

You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers

Well when deli counters closed in my store there were staff who worked 3-8pm 4-8 pm on counters when counters were removed they were told ya only option was starting 4-5 am to do picking for some a couple of staff that was a 12 hour shift change start and they were told you want a job with Tesco that is it I don't see the difference with someone on nights being told ya doing twilights instead

In this case of the deli counter i know the company last year stuck to the 50% rule in that if your hours changed by more than 50% then it is then a redundancy situation.( a reference was made to this last year in the union/ tesco restructuring meetings.

All I know and like I've said in previous posts from counters and other re structures in past few years just in my store not one general assistant was offered redundancy I don't see how someone going in at 3-4 pm to be told you have to go in 4-5 am is reasonable change it's madness really  but we are now all colleagues and at the mercy of Tescos aparent business needs

My understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"

Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer  with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.

You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers

The skills payment is left over from when the wages clerk came under the umbrella with CSD and did a helluva lot more than they do now! Why would a wages clerk think they have the knowledge or indeed the authority to make any management decisions 

Moving nights onto days or twighlight shifts is not so straightforward. There is a set timeframe window whereby changing shift hours in excess of those timeframes would be unreasonable.

Asking a clerk to leave their ivory tower to go work down in the badlands amongst the shopfloor riff raff, working relatively similar contracted hours, is not deemed a redundancy option.

Quote from: Ginsoakedlush on 07-02-24, 07:51PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 07:13PMwith nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer  with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.

You're partly correct. A Wages Clerk is not "just a GA on a computer" there's a reason for that skills payment. And, this Wages Clerk has made MORE management decisions over the years than some of our actual managers

Actually according to the new contract yes a wage clerk is just a GA with a skill payment.

Have had 6 wage clerks over the last 11 years (large extra) previous 5 had constant complaints from staff, spent 35 to 40 hrs a week in the office, forever moaning about the role.

Latest guy does it in 20 hrs. Helps with P.I the rest of the time. He's universally loved by staff due to the improvements since he took it on and regularly says he doesn't know what the previous clerks were moaning about, makes you wonder.

Also Nights to days is grounds for redundancy, there is no avoiding that one for the company, might seem unfair if you've been moved from all lates to all early on days but it still technically dayshift. Nights to days is essentially an entirely different contract/job role. Easy win for the staff at a tribunal if it came to that

Quote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"

What is this new title they're getting?

im guessing not all bakeries are moving away from the scratch since today's Daily News has Bakery Skill Pills of videos on how and what to look out for on the job for managers... including Scratch etc ..

also wage clerk is defined as just a tesco colleague with skill pay as others have said, and theres only 1 page of information of their job responsibilities in the rolepack.. last updated in 2023.

Can anyone advise

Are we to communicate via Q chat or WhatsApp
What's the company line on this

Also if I do not wish to use these platforms to communicate can I "opt " out of that function
Regards

Although not relevant to the topic, Keltikking- the answer to your question is you are only supposed to use Q Chat.
Watsapp isn't approved for sharing company information as its not secure and watsapp users can obtain other colleagues phone number which i believe in some cases within the company has led to harassment.

Thanks for that

But do I have to use q chat or can I just verbally communicate in work

you can verbally communicate in work, theres no requirement to use Q-Chat, they "heavily encourage" it, but its not a MUST, they just say SHOULD use it for everything, if it was must they'd be required to give you a company phone or pay you for the data and such lol.

Q-Chat is definitely not as secure as whatsapp's encryption etc, but they just say its not secure... the main thing like londoner said, is that by adding people to a whatsapp you give out colleague information (Their Number) which said colleague may not want to share with people, so it breaches Data protection etc, whereas with Q-CHAT it goes off of work login, so only people know the name nothing else..

They also can't monitor Whatsapp whereas everything on Q-Chat is monitored... which they wanna keep more of an eye on given the problems over the years... though with that they also mention in the daily news every now and again an email to report people / managers to communicate work information - i think it started like stop@communication or something like that? probably linked in the social media policy anyhow, but comes under conduct for using it, so don't use whatsapp for work  related.


So yes, communicate verbally just in work, if nothing is passed onto you during your shift - not your problem... lol.

Speaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates

tesco needs to stop playing mind games and come all out with what  they are doing, this is people livelihood they are playing with,

Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates

backdoor hours are already too low. especially in dot com sotres when vans need in and out constantly and the click and collect vans (if no pod) are in and out every hour.

Quote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PM

Quote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"

What is this new title they're getting?

Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates

There's backdoor hours?

Ours has 8 hours total for the week for an extra  that includes days and nights, we are always over, they cut the hours other year from 36.5 hours so wonder how far they'll cut it this time...

They came up to our only backdoor person before new contract and said they needed to shift his hours down as too much were on backdoor, but needed him on backdoor. They didn't realise he was the only backdoor guy they had 

So now deliveries are usually left for an hour or 2 at backdoor until someone can get to it..

Quote from: kaled78 on 08-02-24, 11:47AMSpeaking to a magor driver today in the canteen and he said that he had been to a few stores and been told that backdoor hours are being cut,due to parcel drop boxes being fitted by the back gates

Hours are not being cut by much. My store losing about 0.75 hours a week from backdoor/warehouse.

Quote from: Daisylou on 08-02-24, 12:57PM

Quote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PM

Quote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"

What is this new title they're getting?

Noticed no one has answered what the new title is but my guess is wage admin as I have asked the union this question today and they said a wage admin is a colleague admin that also does some wage work! I am sure that the wage clerks are just having the wool pulled over their eyes to make us believe our jobs have gone but in theory it has just gone to others and new technology which again is grounds for offering redundancy

Quote from: rupert7 on 08-02-24, 11:58AMtesco needs to stop playing mind games and come all out with what  they are doing, this is people livelihood they are playing with,

Only people playing mind games is the ones on here who all speculate because they over hear conversations. If Tesco are going to do something they will tell us. Stop worrying about something that may never happen.

Quote from: candysue on 08-02-24, 05:35PM

Quote from: Daisylou on 08-02-24, 12:57PM

Quote from: Jamesowhiteo on 07-02-24, 11:27PM

Quote from: BobbyDazler on 07-02-24, 09:25PMMy understanding is that the wages role is in large part going to the managers but the additional stuff like signing of payroll reports etc will fall onto the admin colleague (who are getting a new title by the way) which does make you wonder why all office staff didn't go into consultation for the "new role"

What is this new title they're getting?

Noticed no one has answered what the new title is but my guess is wage admin as I have asked the union this question today and they said a wage admin is a colleague admin that also does some wage work! I am sure that the wage clerks are just having the wool pulled over their eyes to make us believe our jobs have gone but in theory it has just gone to others and new technology which again is grounds for offering redundancy

No.

Wages is completely going. Each line manager will get a new tab on their My Team section which is solely dedicated to their own teams exceptions. Only they can access this. When they are not in the building either day off or holiday they assign another manager to clear the exceptions on their behalf.

TAM is staying but admin colleagues are losing access to everything on People except for dashboards and letters. It's unclear whether the admin colleague will do the payroll reports or whether each line manager signs their own.

It's also unclear at this point who puts new starter details on from week 10. I imagine Admin colleagues will get some access back for periods such as Xmas but it could be that each line managers set up their own new starters from now on.

I believe its the title of Admin/Resources

If Wages tasks are going to the admins then effected Wage colleagues probably do have ground to pursue why consultation for all office staff hasn't been the direct route of travel. Skill payments aside that would have been the fairest way to do this.

Seymee

I hope I'm a fly on the wall when manager's have to set their own new starters up. The Company couldn't have made it any harder if they tried.

W&P is this company's equivalent of the Horizon scandal.