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Quote from: newdawnrising on 02-03-23, 12:10PMHi. If I am a low score and am at risk of redundancy but a high score wants redundancy can they stop me accepting redundancy and let the high score take it even tho I was low.
Also has anyone seen the criteria score sheet for their own scores. And what the actual criteria questions were the other than what's on the meeting notes. Are we able to challenge our score and see evidence of why/how we scored.

yes you are entitled to a copy. Do not take no for an answer. Contact Usdaw if you are a member & they will obtain it for you if you have any problems. You are entitled to appeal a decision once you are in possession of their evidence if you disagree. See ACAS guidance on  redundancy

Why couldn't they pool all the managers across local stores, if two managers scoring nearly the same one wanted to stay and were willing to relocate surely it would be better to have someone who wanted to be there, unions come on.

Pay rise for managers anyone heard anything. 2% is the general talk

I wouldn't get out of bed for a 2% rise.

Quote from: viperex on 02-03-23, 09:29PMWhole lot of Snakes , got rid of best managers and made up BS on there scores .           

I have seen my score and gone through it with my SM. I was lowest scoring and therefore placed at risk of redundancy. My SM gave me their rationale behind their answer to all questions, and if I am honest with myself I agree with my SM. I was offered a SL role with protection but declined the offer. I have received my redundancy figure and start the consultation process next Monday. I look forward to a new chapter in my life from 29th April.

I know of a couple shops still waiting to be informed... including my own
Company has until tomorrow to inform all affected managers
If I was selected and scored high I would want to see my form and all rationale as I am now happy to leave with redundancy
Does anyone know if we can appeal the selection?

Quote from: Davethebave on 02-03-23, 09:11PMI wouldn't get out of bed for a 2% rise.

There have been insulting 2 and 3% increase  (3 if exceed) for years now. frankly its pathetic. I left because of it.

Quote from: superstore_tl on 02-03-23, 11:11PMI know of a couple shops still waiting to be informed... including my own
Company has until tomorrow to inform all affected managers
If I was selected and scored high I would want to see my form and all rationale as I am now happy to leave with redundancy
Does anyone know if we can appeal the selection?

Congratulations you are safe in your job!!!

"I want to appeal that decesion please!"

Quote from: Watcher on 02-03-23, 08:50PMWhy couldn't they pool all the managers across local stores, if two managers scoring nearly the same one wanted to stay and were willing to relocate surely it would be better to have someone who wanted to be there, unions come on.

Nobody has been told they have got redundancy, that just an interpretation. What people have been told is that they are at risk. If there are other jobs in the group they will be opened up to the at risk managers.

Quote from: Night Owl on 02-03-23, 09:42PMI have seen my score and gone through it with my SM. I was lowest scoring and therefore placed at risk of redundancy. My SM gave me their rationale behind their answer to all questions, and if I am honest with myself I agree with my SM. I was offered a SL role with protection but declined the offer. I have received my redundancy figure and start the consultation process next Monday. I look forward to a new chapter in my life from 29th April.

you are very lucky indeed that it was constructive

Well my favourite four managers are safe. Not sure why I doubted they wouldn't be to be honest.

All in all I think the selection process has worked okay.

Quote from: FruityLoopy on 03-03-23, 09:02AMWell my favourite four managers are safe. Not sure why I doubted they wouldn't be to be honest.

All in all I think the selection process has worked okay.

Ahh, favouritism. The bedrock of any selection process     

Not really, they are the most able and competent.

My store is going from 10 to 5 managers so its been a worry for all who would and wouldn't survive but in the  interests of our store the best 4 made it through.

Quote from: FruityLoopy on 03-03-23, 09:31AMNot really, they are the most able and competent.

My store is going from 10 to 5 managers so its been a worry for all who would and wouldn't survive but in the  interests of our store the best 4 made it through.

Let's hope they can count !

Had my meeting yesterday afternoon and I was unsuccessful in staying. And I'm happy about that! Am I a bad manager? Only people in my store could tell you, however, I will admit that the new job role was not for me. What can I say, I'm old school in my approach and really do not like how the company is going, so for me ( and the company ) it's probably best if I leave anyway. I've learnt a lot over the decades, but there's a few things I won't miss. Christmas starting in September, having your hours changed at a moment's notice ( needs of the business ), and the bloody WhatsApp groups you get added to that go off all hours of the day! Being a team manager has been an 'interesting' experience over the past few years, for those of you that were successful well done, I wish you luck. For those of us to leave, you're better than they've told you and you have so much to give to other employers, good luck to you also!

NorthbyNorthwest Good luck to you,  Nomad.

Had our 1st consultation ,if your offered a tm job but dont want it or to be here then your screwed as you walk with nothing....the company dont take anything in to consideration, the scoring could be seen as farcical as sm will keep who they want as how do you prove that it is fair.....

Agree with North by Northwest above..I am also going. also told I was c**p despite me being met last year (and before) and half tear (satisfactory)- not had any thing on file about my approach, but the company wants yespeople, sheep to carry on doing more and more each year.. good luck if you are staying- you're gonna need it.  for shift leaders  use it as a jump to somewhere better but don't stay.
Good payout though

What about stores at structure? We get no say, even if we wanted redundancy and to leave! Absolute joke it is, I know that two of us would have taken redundancy and let two TM in who wanted to keep their jobs!

I have been told today I'm at risk going from three to two team managers I don't envy my colleagues and hope I ride out the consultation! Worked hard over the years to get where I am but ready to go, don't know how I'll tell my teams

What would happen in the following scenario?

Manager A scores highest and is given the job. Manager B scores lowest and is now offered redundancy.

Manager A then finds employment else where and hands notice in. Does Manager B now get the job left vacant? Or is the business not allowed to take the the redundancy back off manager B?

Mgr B should then get the job. Redundancy can be withdrawn up to the last day .

Do you mean by the employer, not sure it is that simple.

What if Mgr B has committed to a new job/employer ?
What if that new job involved having purchasing a means of transport ?
or any other financial outlay.

Quote from: madness on 02-03-23, 11:17PM

Quote from: superstore_tl on 02-03-23, 11:11PMI know of a couple shops still waiting to be informed... including my own
Company has until tomorrow to inform all affected managers
If I was selected and scored high I would want to see my form and all rationale as I am now happy to leave with redundancy
Does anyone know if we can appeal the selection?

Congratulations you are safe in your job!!!

"I want to appeal that decesion please!"

Some people's preference is to leave this company

Yeah manager B would get the job and lose the chance of redundancy because they are no longer at risk.

It's a bad situation but it's one that can happen to anyone over the next 45 days