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The only trouble surely is if you keep your position but opt to take redundancy with a swap with someone who scores lower and is due redundancy and wants to stay,but then changes their mind,surely a big grey area

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 19-02-23, 04:42PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 19-02-23, 02:43PM

Quote from: lackofinterest on 19-02-23, 11:59AMjust shows what a s**t company toscos is to work for when people would prefer redundancy to keeping their job

These people should be careful what they wish for. In my store we have had 3x managers, and 12x assistants who have all at various times left Tesco only to return with their tails between their legs a few weeks or months later as they couldn't hack it anywhere else. There are several posters on here who have left and returned as well.
Can't remember his name but one of them left as a CA, got a six figure salary apparently elsewhere, and still returned. 😂😂😂

few of ours on the last redundancy route took the redundancy and went straight into dotcom driver roles  in our store, one went with £34k lol, tesco is a s*** company but at the end of the day, so are most and if you can walk out with money and back into another role may aswell 

If you take redundancy you need to wait 6 months before reappying to the company. cant get both.

Quote from: Davethebave on 19-02-23, 07:27PMYou won't have a first meeting unless you're selected for individual consultation.

Each SM is to ask managers informally if they want redundancy and are supposed to factor that into the scoring criteria.

That being said, there are a number of situations where they won't let you take redundancy (I've posted it previously).

Well these store managers need to make sure they speak to everyone concerned since at my store some of those affected have been questioned & others haven't.

Quote from: madness on 19-02-23, 07:54PM

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 19-02-23, 04:42PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 19-02-23, 02:43PM

Quote from: lackofinterest on 19-02-23, 11:59AMjust shows what a s**t company toscos is to work for when people would prefer redundancy to keeping their job

These people should be careful what they wish for. In my store we have had 3x managers, and 12x assistants who have all at various times left Tesco only to return with their tails between their legs a few weeks or months later as they couldn't hack it anywhere else. There are several posters on here who have left and returned as well.
Can't remember his name but one of them left as a CA, got a six figure salary apparently elsewhere, and still returned. 😂😂😂

few of ours on the last redundancy route took the redundancy and went straight into dotcom driver roles  in our store, one went with £34k lol, tesco is a s*** company but at the end of the day, so are most and if you can walk out with money and back into another role may aswell 

If you take redundancy you need to wait 6 months before reappying to the company. cant get both.

ours did.. like I say they went straight into dotcom driver role, 1 was a merchandiser it was a voluntary redundancy that was offered to 4 of the merchandisers to reduce them to 3, only 1 could go and they went, they left that week, started the monday morning on dotcom as a driver, so I dunno what strings they pull or what stuff they do but it happened and still here today... prefers it on there now for the freedom, so someone f***ed up somewhere or just let it slip by?

If they started back with tesco the following week they would have given up their redundancy package. Its not tesco policy but law. Remember the tax man watches all...

Not a chance they started back 1 week after taking redundancy it's 26 weeks 6months what ever way you wanna look at it .

You sure they didnt just get protected pay buy out?

They said it was a redundancy pay, merchandisers said it was redundancy offered, so 🤷�♂️, that's as much as I know with it, that they are still here and had a good payout, as it helped them to buy a house.

Something like that did happen at the start of COVID. It was more of a deferred redundancy rather than people being able to simply return the next week. They all got given the option of staying on and a date that they had to leave by no matter what

In other news, have any other areas got their SM's out of business in a cluster meetings at the mo?

So what are we saying about criteria and are we saying we can now ask for redundancy ??

A manager in our store took redundancy in 2015, received around 50k, came back literally 6 months and one day later to a very similar role and higher pay than before. He also negotiated a reinstatement of his length of service and bragged about it, showing his new contract in the canteen and apparently is now in line for close to 45k again this time. He is going around boasting that he can now retire if he wants but has been offered another return in six months. He is known to be a family friend of our SD and is pretty much untouchable in store. Even our SM is wary of him and he gets away with murder.
It's very unfair, but I suppose if anybody was offered the same they'd take it. I mean, would anyone turn down almost 100k free money? Grrrr

Our SM has 2 conference calls tomorrow, both in relation to structure change.

It says on the consultation document ( meeting 2 on colleague help, type 'consultation' in search bar, you'll see the link ) that anybody affected will have a meeting to confirm their intent. I may say that I prefer redundancy and will say that, but of course, until the 'meat and potatoes' of the process is completed we don't know if the meeting of intent will matter or not.
There's no denying that Dante gave us seven layers of hell, Tesco have just added their own with this incompetence.

Has anybody seen the new "pay settlement 2023" for staff and shift leaders today? Does anyone think that tesco are now taking the proverbial?

Quote from: Happyguy on 20-02-23, 01:48PMA manager in our store took redundancy in 2015, received around 50k, came back literally 6 months and one day later to a very similar role and higher pay than before. He also negotiated a reinstatement of his length of service and bragged about it, showing his new contract in the canteen and apparently is now in line for close to 45k again this time. He is going around boasting that he can now retire if he wants but has been offered another return in six months. He is known to be a family friend of our SD and is pretty much untouchable in store. Even our SM is wary of him and he gets away with murder.
It's very unfair, but I suppose if anybody was offered the same they'd take it. I mean, would anyone turn down almost 100k free money? Grrrr

The whole scenario sounds exactly like someone who used to post on this site...left with good redundancy, went back after 6 months, negotiated better pay and had length of service reinstated!
Either this is common in certain stores or this is the same person

Did you not all think when tesco scaled back on people partners,thats the end of worrying about the people?

Anyone is able to do the same as the above. The length of service is the only fishy part of that. Everything else is legal.

Quote from: Happyguy on 20-02-23, 01:48PMA manager in our store took redundancy in 2015, received around 50k, came back literally 6 months and one day later to a very similar role and higher pay than before. He also negotiated a reinstatement of his length of service and bragged about it, showing his new contract in the canteen and apparently is now in line for close to 45k again this time. He is going around boasting that he can now retire if he wants but has been offered another return in six months. He is known to be a family friend of our SD and is pretty much untouchable in store. Even our SM is wary of him and he gets away with murder.
It's very unfair, but I suppose if anybody was offered the same they'd take it. I mean, would anyone turn down almost 100k free money? Grrrr

No way he got his length of service reinstated after redundancy regardless if he is mates with the SD or not, that is against employment law and would quickly be picked up on during people file audits. The rest of it yep all above board and people might say unfair but it is what it is.

Quote from: penguin on 20-02-23, 04:45PM

Quote from: Happyguy on 20-02-23, 01:48PMA manager in our store took redundancy in 2015, received around 50k, came back literally 6 months and one day later to a very similar role and higher pay than before. He also negotiated a reinstatement of his length of service and bragged about it, showing his new contract in the canteen and apparently is now in line for close to 45k again this time. He is going around boasting that he can now retire if he wants but has been offered another return in six months. He is known to be a family friend of our SD and is pretty much untouchable in store. Even our SM is wary of him and he gets away with murder.
It's very unfair, but I suppose if anybody was offered the same they'd take it. I mean, would anyone turn down almost 100k free money? Grrrr

No way he got his length of service reinstated after redundancy regardless if he is mates with the SD or not, that is against employment law and would quickly be picked up on during people file audits. The rest of it yep all above board and people might say unfair but it is what it is.

I know it sounds madly unfair, but he was proudly showing everyone his "comeback contract" (as he used to call it) in the canteen one day and it definitely had his length of service reinstated. He got a telling off from the SM about showing it off  but he wasnt bothered as he is pretty bulletproof. He did say that the bit of redundancy that the govt give wasn't reinstated but the voluntary bit that Tesco give, was.
He's now crowing about being picked again and picking up a fortune. He's not sure whether "to retire, or put a down payment on a flat in Spain" this time.
Don't know if he ever posted in here, (I doubt it as he was a full-on Tesco-bot) but fair to say he is not very popular at the moment.

The government does not pay any redundancy, except where the employer has gone out of business.

In terms of redundancy - for tax purposes you cannot claim continuity of service more than once for any given period of time worked, but it is possible to have a negotiated agreement for an enhanced severance package which may be taxable if it exceeds certain limits. There is also a cap on the maximum amount of redundancy pay that is tax free.

Pay review... what's the point of remaining a manager!! Redundancy, Leave or Step down to GA.. You'd be mad to remain after this- They really hate us don't they?

I've heard length of service will actually only be your length of service as a manager, not length of service with the company as a whole. 

Quote from: markwinters on 20-02-23, 06:19PMPay review... what's the point of remaining a manager!! Redundancy, Leave or Step down to GA.. You'd be mad to remain after this- They really hate us don't they?

@markwinters, why would you want to step down to any level? Redundancy all the way and stick 2 fingers up to a company that has lost all sense of loyalty. I have been working for tesco since i left school, worked my way up (and down again) but never would i have thought that they could stoop so low. Unfortunately Tesco has now been taken over by people who do not have a clue about retail and where tesco was a leader now they are just followers to the likes of aldi and lidl. At the present time tesco has no idea what to do next so they are scrambling to try and save money the best they can but are losing millions in the process. I wouldnt be surprised if someone was to buy tesco out in the near future....

Quote from: Mikoo on 20-02-23, 07:12PMI've heard length of service will actually only be your length of service as a manager, not length of service with the company as a whole. 

Statutory redundancy, the amount that has to be legally offered as a minimum takes into account your entire length of service at the company you're being made redundant from and uses multiples of 0.5x, 1x or 1.5x your weekly earnings dependent on your age at the time of working for the amount of years you worked for the company. For example, if you gave Tesco 10 years service, started at age 20 and made redundant at age 30, 2 of those weeks you'd get 0.5x your weekly pay and then 8 weeks pay at 1x your weekly rate to account for the 8, years you worked there when you were older than 22.

Statutory redundancy is also capped and completely tax free.

Companies don't need to go above and beyond the statutory, Tesco does, though I'm not sure how theirs is worked out, but that redundancy payment is tax free up to £30k.