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Quote from: markwinters on 16-01-23, 06:24PMthose jokers on this thread saying all just speculation!! Company stooges the lot of them. Team Managers brace yourselves, about to get shafted and lube just got discontinued!

so where do you get your info from? Are you part of the main board? Are you an adviser to ken murphy?

Quote from: kaled78 on 06-01-23, 08:42PMyes,that's what work and pay is aiming to achieve in the long run

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 06-01-23, 09:36PMThe admin assistant in our store left before Christmas and guidance was not to replace as the role has virtually gone with the exception of new starter inductions.

The above comment about leads, most have already gone in the small/med superstores, the extras appear to of kept there's on our group and haven't been streamlined as yet. Local extras still have 3-4 leads while the team manager population has shrunk. I do think the one stumbling block is pay, team managers are salaried vs shift leaders hourly paid, that's a chunk of a change.

Did your Admin Colleague work in a small or larger store?

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Quote from: Bobmay on 10-01-23, 01:23AMThis isnt speculation this is fact tesco wants to save 3 billion pound according to them with in 3 years. They why they will get jobs which take up to much money and not needed. Why have night shift in small Express stores or superstores when they can fill in the morning. Or why have security when you can employee agency workers. The roles that are going in my opinion will be mangers in superstores night shift in express stores and multiple managers in night shift in extra.

Quote from: Bobmay on 10-01-23, 01:23AMThis isnt speculation this is fact tesco wants to save 3 billion pound according to them with in 3 years. They why they will get jobs which take up to much money and not needed. Why have night shift in small Express stores or superstores when they can fill in the morning. Or why have security when you can employee agency workers. The roles that are going in my opinion will be mangers in superstores night shift in express stores and multiple managers in night shift in extra.

why just nights? Days are overloaded with managers in my store who do nothing but walk about with mobiles stuck to their ears! Mind you that's your opinion . You obviously don't work nights . Perhaps you should and see how hard the poor sods work!

I do work nights.  In fact the store I work in has barely no staff only 12 people are left on nights which includes 1 night line manager and 1 shift leader and 1 who does duties pay. There is no staff left here.We were former metro store now express for the past 8 years they have been wanting to get rid of nights which they finally will. As the stores doesn't make much money as before.Before the store was making 3 million a month as metro now 500k a month. Right now we are getting 13.30 an hour every night on weekdays and get on Saturdays 15.60 an hour and if it bank holiday on Sunday we get 17.90 an hour right now.I highly doubt they will keep nights on the remaining small express stores which is like 20 odd them all together around 200 staff instead they would remove it and replace it with morning and evening filling which they are capable of doing and can easily do. There won't be cuts in the morning or evening staff as you have signed new contract  which means you can work multiple different locations. That is the reason the new contract was brought in so they don't need to pay redundancy and instead put you in different department. So the only ones on my opinion that is going are nights in the remaining small Tesco.

Quote from: Watcher on 15-01-23, 09:04PMThe structure change will be announced on the 19th apparently

When will the structure change for former metros turned express happen.Many of them still have managers and night shifts. And to manh shift leaders.

Bobmay, maybe they've been holding off on former Metro's so they can add management remaining to any potential changes to superstore/Extra's that are/are not coming?

Quote from: Bobmay on 17-01-23, 09:00AMI do work nights.  In fact the store I work in has barely no staff only 12 people are left on nights which includes 1 night line manager and 1 shift leader and 1 who does duties pay. There is no staff left here.We were former metro store now express for the past 8 years they have been wanting to get rid of nights which they finally will. As the stores doesn't make much money as before.Before the store was making 3 million a month as metro now 500k a month. Right now we are getting 13.30 an hour every night on weekdays and get on Saturdays 15.60 an hour and if it bank holiday on Sunday we get 17.90 an hour right now.I highly doubt they will keep nights on the remaining small express stores which is like 20 odd them all together around 200 staff instead they would remove it and replace it with morning and evening filling which they are capable of doing and can easily do. There won't be cuts in the morning or evening staff as you have signed new contract  which means you can work multiple different locations. That is the reason the new contract was brought in so they don't need to pay redundancy and instead put you in different department. So the only ones on my opinion that is going are nights in the remaining small Tesco.

£3 million a month would equate to about £750k a week, I don't know what the threshold is, but I'm fairly sure you have Superstores that take around that and they would have more staff because of it, It would be a very small superstore mind but definitely closer to a Superstore than an Express, Pre-Metro conversion, £120k a week was considered top tier takings for a category 4 Express, Category 5, would have been a low taking Metro, the one near me took £250k a week, yours took 3 times that.

Has anyone had a look at colleague help recently?
You can see the collective consultations have been updated on 05/01. This just so happens the day after that SM meetings we're taking place, then you can actually view the buyout calculator for people partners and consultation managers. Again updated on 05/01...
Manager restructure for all managers will be coming imminently, although the 19th was originally agreed, I think they are correct with 31st being the actual date! Gives people chance for EVM launching today so they'll want good results in the bag.

Quote from: 5fdp on 12-01-23, 07:22PMWell said 'madness'.  If mgrs weren't needed in any business they wouldn't be there. But you need someone to take responsibility and the fall.

You are of course correct, however what business other than retail has a manager managing 1 or 2 people? Everyone thinks they are indispensable and if they leave or made redundant the company collapses. To illustrate how important you are to Tesco pop down to a pond and chuck a massive stone in then watch the ripples, after a couple of mins if the ripples are still there you are probably right if not..........

sorry about the double post couldnt modify my last post....

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-01-23, 06:32AM@hammer10 get yourself a days ambient team managers job in a night fill store, piece of cake, I work nights got in last night, bearing in mind temps gone, got holidays,leavers and a lot of sickness, asked evening duty what had been done.  REPLY(YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR ANYTHING) So what have they done ?YOUR NOT DOING IT FOR NIGHTS, IT'S FOR THE CUSTOMER, didn't even look like they rumbled, still cant tell you after 10 years what days grocery team do.

Mate for the last 3 decades this has been the complaint from both nights and days, what do nights/days do they didnt do x job you didnt do y routine blah blah blah....

Its all obfuscation because its easy to blame the people not in the shop right at that moment to defend themselves. It will continue until the company folds.

Forestgimp, it's not just between days and nights, it can be ambient and fresh, or shop floor vs checkouts. I do believe it's been that way since the year dot, and it's the company's failure in not controlling the culture that has led to it. The interesting bit will be when the fill, pick and serve finally lands in stores, I predict chaos, resistance and disaster because of the company's inability to see past their latest 'initiative'.

Talk in our store today is that nights will be scaled right back from May with only Grocery nights staying. Fresh, Frozen, Health and Beauty nights will all move to days perm.

I'm an extra so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt because if fresh isn't filled during the night its going to cause issues with the pick in the morning but this is Tesco so its likely to be true.

@checkout superstar only problem with your news is a nights contract says collegue,people sat on depts for hr purposes only,so how would they decide who goes?i work nights and we get wagon and half of fresh on average,normally half wagon then full through the night,wouldnt be hard to switch them round so most fresh would be filled pre midnight and small team in at 6 to fill the rest,80 percent of trade comes through the front door so feet on the floor makes sense in retail

Produce comes under fresh, only 2 people actually contracted to produce under their hours and we are over hours with us 2. However we do get off and hell fresh with hours spare. So wouldn't be surprised if produce gets chucked to days/twilight if fresh doesn't.

Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 17-01-23, 06:37PMTalk in our store today is that nights will be scaled right back from May with only Grocery nights staying. Fresh, Frozen, Health and Beauty nights will all move to days perm.

I'm an extra so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt because if fresh isn't filled during the night its going to cause issues with the pick in the morning but this is Tesco so its likely to be true.

Store specific or do we think this will be all over?

No doubt store specific. We just lost our dot com so twilight here we come!!😁😁

@beanny what size store are you?howd you lose dot com?

Well, as an add on to the rumours/speculation, I thought my store manager was on day off today as I hadn't seen him until about an hour and a half ago. Seems there's been a meeting in another store for SM's, a conference call and I think a training session for them. And not a dicky bird about what it's all about, usually he's as leaky as a sieve when it comes to this type of thing!

Quote from: BooBoo on 17-01-23, 01:00AM

Quote from: kaled78 on 06-01-23, 08:42PMyes,that's what work and pay is aiming to achieve in the long run

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 06-01-23, 09:36PMThe admin assistant in our store left before Christmas and guidance was not to replace as the role has virtually gone with the exception of new starter inductions.

The above comment about leads, most have already gone in the small/med superstores, the extras appear to of kept there's on our group and haven't been streamlined as yet. Local extras still have 3-4 leads while the team manager population has shrunk. I do think the one stumbling block is pay, team managers are salaried vs shift leaders hourly paid, that's a chunk of a change.

Did your Admin Colleague work in a small or larger store?

A med superstore hrs was 24 when launched then dropped to 16, now it's 30 mins 3 times a week, jobs gone.

An hour and a half each week for admin  your store manager has fiddled his heatmap and took those hours for somewhere else.

Quote from: Nightproduceworker on 17-01-23, 07:30PMProduce comes under fresh, only 2 people actually contracted to produce under their hours and we are over hours with us 2. However we do get off and hell fresh with hours spare. So wouldn't be surprised if produce gets chucked to days/twilight if fresh doesn't.

I can see both bread and produce nights moving over to days but not fresh.

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 17-01-23, 08:41PM

Quote from: BooBoo on 17-01-23, 01:00AM

Quote from: kaled78 on 06-01-23, 08:42PMyes,that's what work and pay is aiming to achieve in the long run

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 06-01-23, 09:36PMThe admin assistant in our store left before Christmas and guidance was not to replace as the role has virtually gone with the exception of new starter inductions.

The above comment about leads, most have already gone in the small/med superstores, the extras appear to of kept there's on our group and haven't been streamlined as yet. Local extras still have 3-4 leads while the team manager population has shrunk. I do think the one stumbling block is pay, team managers are salaried vs shift leaders hourly paid, that's a chunk of a change.

Did your Admin Colleague work in a small or larger store?

A med superstore hrs was 24 when launched then dropped to 16, now it's 30 mins 3 times a week, jobs gone.

Thanks for the info.

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 17-01-23, 05:58PMForestgimp, it's not just between days and nights, it can be ambient and fresh, or shop floor vs checkouts. I do believe it's been that way since the year dot, and it's the company's failure in not controlling the culture that has led to it. The interesting bit will be when the fill, pick and serve finally lands in stores, I predict chaos, resistance and disaster because of the company's inability to see past their latest 'initiative'.

I predict 99% of the current fillers wil be fine on a checkout. I predict 50% of the checkout staff will bitch and moan and be useless at filling.

Madness, it is definitely checkout staff that are going to have the biggest issue with 'fill' and fresh staff ( as they have, in my store at least been kept away from ) with the checkouts. The grocery team have always been seen as the 'grunts' who will do anything. So for the majority of them they'll see little change.

Quote from: NightAndDay on 17-01-23, 01:44PM

Quote from: Bobmay on 17-01-23, 09:00AMI do work nights.  In fact the store I work in has barely no staff only 12 people are left on nights which includes 1 night line manager and 1 shift leader and 1 who does duties pay. There is no staff left here.We were former metro store now express for the past 8 years they have been wanting to get rid of nights which they finally will. As the stores doesn't make much money as before.Before the store was making 3 million a month as metro now 500k a month. Right now we are getting 13.30 an hour every night on weekdays and get on Saturdays 15.60 an hour and if it bank holiday on Sunday we get 17.90 an hour right now.I highly doubt they will keep nights on the remaining small express stores which is like 20 odd them all together around 200 staff instead they would remove it and replace it with morning and evening filling which they are capable of doing and can easily do. There won't be cuts in the morning or evening staff as you have signed new contract  which means you can work multiple different locations. That is the reason the new contract was brought in so they don't need to pay redundancy and instead put you in different department. So the only ones on my opinion that is going are nights in the remaining small Tesco.

£3 million a month would equate to about £750k a week, I don't know what the threshold is, but I'm fairly sure you have Superstores that take around that and they would have more staff because of it, It would be a very small superstore mind but definitely closer to a Superstore than an Express, Pre-Metro conversion, £120k a week was considered top tier takings for a category 4 Express, Category 5, would have been a low taking Metro, the one near me took £250k a week, yours took 3 times that.

My store was located very close to major train station and large bus station it was extremly busy weht it was an metro.from early morning from 6 am to 12pm it was extremly busy you wouldnt be able to move. Now it has become express the local people dont come anymore and the workers in the offices close by dont come anymore. Now a days it is very quiet for the most part.

Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 17-01-23, 06:37PMTalk in our store today is that nights will be scaled right back from May with only Grocery nights staying. Fresh, Frozen, Health and Beauty nights will all move to days perm.

I'm an extra so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt because if fresh isn't filled during the night its going to cause issues with the pick in the morning but this is Tesco so its likely to be true.

Who told you this? Also I wouldnt be surprised if it did happen tesco said they will save 1 billion in three years paying an extra 300 an month for eacu night staff will cost tesco to much money which is why I believe tesco will cuts nights from small tesco former metro and express that still have them and probably cut nights in big stores to twilight hours. Even tesco ceo admits people dont buy much anymore which means they are capable to fill in morning evening it makes sense they brought the new contract anyway so people in morning on checkouts if it quiet can fill.

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 17-01-23, 07:14PM@checkout superstar only problem with your news is a nights contract says collegue,people sat on depts for hr purposes only,so how would they decide who goes?i work nights and we get wagon and half of fresh on average,normally half wagon then full through the night,wouldnt be hard to switch them round so most fresh would be filled pre midnight and small team in at 6 to fill the rest,80 percent of trade comes through the front door so feet on the floor makes sense in retail

What he is saying make sense why because the new contract which tesco brought in makes people work filling the shelves. Tesco did this so in the futute people who are working on checkouts will be filling if it is quiet and in other departments people will be filling shelves like fresh for example. Tesco is also much more quiet and people dont go much in anymore as it is expensive and they want to save money.So it makes sense for tesco to remove nights or reduce it.Tesco themselves stated they want to save 1 billion within three years.I doubt they want to pay extra 100 to 300 per night staff per month when they want to save that money instead.