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Sunday opting out

Started by ihavequestions23, 21-08-22, 10:15AM

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NightAndDay

#25
I really don't see how anyone could be inclined to work night shifts for no additional pay, logically they should have 0 recruits available and rely on agency staff that likely would pay them a premium, supply and demand is heavily stacked against Tesco for night workers as it is.

Topic is Sunday Opt out.  Admin.

Nomad

#26
Two posts deleted.  Topic is "Sunday Opt Out" NOT night shift.

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ihavequestions23

Quote from: Redshoes on 24-08-22, 08:50AMWith the longer trading hours on a Sunday it's different for us. We open at 0800 and close at 2200. We have a high level of contracted people on Sundays but even so it can be difficult covering shifts. It's the day after the sat night out that is the issue for us. Premium does not come into it. We do have a bunch of people that seek out Sunday overtime but not enough. Saturday night is far harder to cover, anything after about 1700 on a Saturday are the the hardest shifts to cover.
We do have people who have opted out of Sundays. They do sometimes pick up shifts but not often. For us, the majority that have opted out have done so because of the Saturday night out. I once had a student still on a temp contract who said he had done his share of weekend working so asked me to move his hours. He was taken on to help cover the difficult weekend shifts. He did eventually get off weekends but by applying for a different job within store.

That's how I plan to get my weekends back, working in another department with different hours. Be nice to go out on a Saturday night again

ihavequestions23

Quote from: Nomad on 24-08-22, 10:34AMihavequestions23 I believe if the majority of your Saturday night shift hours are in Sunday (after 0000 hours) you must be allowed to drop that shift.

Sadly I spoke to my manager about this and he said it's not true, it's the Sunday night. I really wanted the sat off, all I wanted was to drop Saturdays I even would have been willing to do overtime most Saturdays, it's just the odd one I miss out on a lot of things with family and friends. Because I was unable to drop it I decided to move to days and now they've lost another member of staff. Just wish they'd do us a favour every now and again knowing I'd be willing to do some for them.

Nomad

I think he's wrong. Send an enquiry to ACAS by mail.
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CN2019

Hi I am a flexi worker who is contracted Wednesday Saturday and Sunday. I want to opt out of Sundays, a friend who I work with says I cannot drop out if Sundays as a flexi worker. Is this true?

Redshoes

Dropping Sundays has nothing to do with being a flexi worker but they don't have to give you a different shift, generally speaking it would also mean a drop in hours.

Prince of Darkness

Quote from: ihavequestions23 on 23-08-22, 11:50PMI still can't believe that. Tesco are making more money than ever and are taking all the benefits off new starters. Just another big business hoping to make more money by paying as little as possible to people who desperately need it.

Waitrose stopped Sunday premium for new starters in 2016.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544953/Waitrose-staff-perks-pay-living-wage-Supermarket-stops-paying-Sunday-overtime-rates-new-workers.html

Prince of Darkness

Quote from: Redshoes on 25-03-23, 11:14AMDropping Sundays has nothing to do with being a flexi worker but they don't have to give you a different shift, generally speaking it would also mean a drop in hours.

Can't drop below 16 hours now.

penguin

So how does that work when it comes to Sundays, you have a legal right to opt out but the company does not have to offer the hours back elsewhere.
Do not let anyone tell you there is not a decent job and life beyond Tesco.

JJH

Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 25-03-23, 05:38PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 25-03-23, 11:14AMDropping Sundays has nothing to do with being a flexi worker but they don't have to give you a different shift, generally speaking it would also mean a drop in hours.

Can't drop below 16 hours now.

Wrong

5fdp

You can drop below 16hrs if thats what suits your situation. Eg some students only work a sat .

Morris999

#37
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 25-03-23, 05:38PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 25-03-23, 11:14AMDropping Sundays has nothing to do with being a flexi worker but they don't have to give you a different shift, generally speaking it would also mean a drop in hours.

Can't drop below 16 hours now.
Quote from: 5fdp on 25-03-23, 06:36PMYou can drop below 16hrs if thats what suits your situation. Eg some students only work a sat .

It's wrong to say colleagues cannot drop below 16 hours, they can, however with everything Tesco does it's not straightforward!

If you joined after the contracts changed in Oct last year, then you can drop to 12 hours, no less!
If you joined before then, then you can drop to 7.5, no less

CN2019

#38
Quote from: Morris999 on 25-03-23, 07:29PM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 25-03-23, 05:38PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 25-03-23, 11:14AMDropping Sundays has nothing to do with being a flexi worker but they don't have to give you a different shift, generally speaking it would also mean a drop in hours.

Can't drop below 16 hours now.
Quote from: 5fdp on 25-03-23, 06:36PMYou can drop below 16hrs if thats what suits your situation. Eg some students only work a sat .

It's wrong to say colleagues cannot drop below 16 hours, they can, however with everything Tesco does it's not straightforward!

If you joined after the contracts changed in Oct last year, then you can drop to 12 hours, no less!
If you joined before then, then you can drop to 7.5, no less

I started working for Tescos in December 2022. I am contracted the following:

Wednesday: 3.75Hours
Saturday: 8 Hours
Sunday: 6 Hours

So 17.75 hours in total. So if I dropped Sunday I would only have 11.75 hours. Does this mean I cannot drop it? Even though I have a legal right to opt out of Sundays. I am not bothered if they replace the hours else where I just want to be able to spend a weekend day with my kids.

Sherwoodforest

. If I change my mind and don't want to work on a Sunday, can I do so?
Shop workers

If you work in a shop, you can decide at any point that you want to stop working Sundays even if your contract includes Sundays. To do this you need to give your manager at least one month's notice, using the Sunday Opt out form. This is to enable them to re-organise their work
schedules.

You should be aware if you opt out of Sunday working you will be reducing your contracted hours. Your  manager may be able to offer you alternative hours elsewhere but they are not obliged to do so, this will only be possible if suitable hours are available.

Shop colleagues who are employed to work only on a Sunday cannot opt out, instead they would need to either find an alternative position without a Sunday contract or resign from their position at Tesco.
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Nomad

Permitted minimum, is that not a figure set by the company  :question:

So if somebody makes use of their legal right and drops Sunday working and in doing so it takes them below the permitted minimum is/can/will their employment be terminated  :question:

If so is that not suffering detriment for exercising your legal right, an action which on its own I believe to be illegal  :question:

Obviously leaving aside the Sunday only worker scenario.
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Redshoes

The company have set a target of a minimum of 16 hours for new colleagues and for existing to have the chance of taking on additional hours before recruiting new colleagues. However if the colleagues don't want or can't do the 16 hours they don't have to. So basically the company can't enforce less than 16 hours but colleagues can opt to take on lower hours. It's like the 3.75 shifts. We should not be issuing less than 3.75 on extra hours but colleagues can opt to add odd hours to existing shifts.
If you need to drop hours, Sundays or otherwise you can but you need to stay above 7.5 hours a week but this should not be the norm, the norm should be 16+, so if it's in support of a colleague less than 16 hours is allowed.

NeglectedBaker

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 26-03-23, 12:02AM. If I change my mind and don't want to work on a Sunday, can I do so?
Shop workers

If you work in a shop, you can decide at any point that you want to stop working Sundays even if your contract includes Sundays. To do this you need to give your manager at least one month's notice, using the Sunday Opt out form. This is to enable them to re-organise their work
schedules.

You should be aware if you opt out of Sunday working you will be reducing your contracted hours. Your  manager may be able to offer you alternative hours elsewhere but they are not obliged to do so, this will only be possible if suitable hours are available.

Shop colleagues who are employed to work only on a Sunday cannot opt out, instead they would need to either find an alternative position without a Sunday contract or resign from their position at Tesco.
this thread and your information is very much appreciated so thank you for that  :thumbup: would you imagine this includes skilled areas too?

barafear

Quote from: Redshoes on 26-03-23, 05:00PMThe company have set a target of a minimum of 16 hours for new colleagues and for existing to have the chance of taking on additional hours before recruiting new colleagues. However if the colleagues don't want or can't do the 16 hours they don't have to. So basically the company can't enforce less than 16 hours but colleagues can opt to take on lower hours. It's like the 3.75 shifts. We should not be issuing less than 3.75 on extra hours but colleagues can opt to add odd hours to existing shifts.
If you need to drop hours, Sundays or otherwise you can but you need to stay above 7.5 hours a week but this should not be the norm, the norm should be 16+, so if it's in support of a colleague less than 16 hours is allowed.
Hi, I know this is a bit of an old post - apologies - can I ask whether there is a "policy" on Ourtesco stipulating the min of 7.5 hours per week - or is it just "hearsay"? A checkouts team leader in my store also stated it - suggesting maybe it is real.....thanks.

barafear

Actually - found the answer to my question on Ourtesco - however, it seemed to highlight a potential difference/inequality between staff depending on their start date.

So for new starters from Oct 2022 - min contract length is 12 hours.
Prior to that date, it's 7.5 hours.

However, on the section for "12 hours" there is an asterix which relates to a comment stating that colleagues can work less than 12 hours if they drop Sundays/use their flexible working rights.

However, there is no such clause for the "older" 7.5 min contract length.

So in that scenario - a newish starter could do 5.75 hours on a Thursday and 6.25 hours on a Sunday - making up their min of 12 hours.

Decide to drop Sunday - and being on 5.75 hours would be ok.

But as an older starter - the same scenario would not be applicable as there is no "asterix" giving older workers (as in date of start....not actual age) the same "rights"

Is this correct?

oldfashionedplayer

Aye from working hours policy your correct, and the means of the 12 hours, 16 hours and 7.5 etc is that colleagues kept asking for more job security, so if you join on like the Sunday Monday (1x availability) as new or old, and drop Sunday, you'd be fine.

If any vanacies came up and you were looking to increase your hours after dropping the Sunday, as part of the new contract you'd be entitled to being in the run along with others under 16 hours securing them from the agreement it would seem... So it's a way of moving your sunday to a different day. Whether a friday or a Tuesday for example.. But then you may be subject to increased availability on the new acceptance? I think atleast.

oldfashionedplayer

Can't edit my thing but I noticed on the recently updated bit on sunday working  sometime this month and actually answered the question people are asking...

Where we cannot offer permanent hours on another day, or the hours are not suitable for the colleague, they will be able to reduce their hours to below 12, but under no circumstances to lower than 7.5 hours.

Colleagues cannot work fewer than 7.5 hours per week as this is not a viable contract with Tesco.  If Opting Out would push a colleague below this minimum, they should be offered alternative hours on another day. If the colleague is unable to/does not accept these hours, managers should seek support from the Colleague Relations support team.

theres just a little bit more about seeing if theres other hours on another day etc in first instance before it.

fatlad

If you are a store worker & don't have any holiday allowance left to take Easter Sunday off what are your options? I thought you could take it unpaid but our sm is telling us we have to go in & work. Any input would be appreciated & if possible a link to the policy as I can't find anything

londoner83

Can you even get to work as public transport is often the bare minimum service if it runs at all?

oldfashionedplayer

i mean, even if you can't, claim your car isn't working beforehand  >:D  they have to work with you and move your day that way :)

though Policy in time-off bit does say this though  :D  so quote your SM from the Time-off policy -

Section 8:

What about Easter Sunday?

Easter Sunday is not a bank holiday, although most of our stores and offices will be closed. Colleagues that are contracted to work on the day Easter Sunday falls have the option of booking holiday from their holiday allowance, re-arranging their working hours to another day, or working additional hours in advance of Easter Sunday.

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