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helpme

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Van Data
« on: 12-10-21, 01:46PM »
In our store lately there have been a massive increase in let's talks by duty managers over petty things like being parked in a lay by for 10/15 minutes due to getting ahead on deliveries.
All these different managers are checking van data but are they allowed to?
Surely like everything else as it's data it's protected under The Data Protection Act and access to it is restricted?

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #1 on: 12-10-21, 02:28PM »
Managers need all the drivers they can get in the current economic climate, driving them away with lets talks would be like the turkeys voting for christmas I would have thought.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #2 on: 12-10-21, 02:45PM »
Oh they are!
They are trying to put us in our place as we're refusing to do extras in the evenings as we rarely have the time to do them and they're expecting us to just work overtime and get them done. No asking just demanding so it's gone down like a lead balloon.
That's why I'm asking about who is actually entitled to have access to our van data.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #3 on: 12-10-21, 07:19PM »
Only if the company has not registered usage of the van data for the purpose described.

Given the alternative to parking up is delivering early which has been a recent issue at our place it is a Catch 22 situation.  What are they suggesting you do instead which would be acceptable to them?

As for extras, if you run out of time then bring them back and dump the problem on the Duty Manager to deal with, clock out and forget about it.
« Last Edit: 12-10-21, 07:23PM by gomezz »
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

helpme

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #4 on: 13-10-21, 08:42PM »
It came out this morning that it's the lead Dot com manager sitting at home on their personal laptop/phone logging in and checking up on the drivers.
Apart from being a sad thing to do surly this can't be right? Using it for performance checking rather than safety.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #5 on: 14-10-21, 07:05AM »
the lead Dot com manager sitting at home............
checking up on the drivers.

There is a distinction to be made between monitoring the van, and actively monitoring the driver.
The former is legal.
The latter risks breaching GDPR, as the system was not introduced for that purpose.
I have yet to see a clear policy on the use of the personal data collected by the tracking system.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #6 on: 14-10-21, 11:25AM »
Helpme .If the manager is using his or her personal computer then it is breach of data protection and should be raised with  the store manager. Ask for the Company policy on monitoring driver performance. It would appear that this is bullying. Next time you or others are asked to have a lets talk the reply should be. Put it in writing so I take it further.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #7 on: 14-10-21, 07:21PM »
I think your argument might be flawed as you’ve said about not being able to to do an extra in the evening as you don’t have the time when you’ve already previously said that let’s talks are being issued for parking up when ahead during the day? Surely it’s busier and harder to get ahead in the daytime when the roads are busier and people are more likely to be out than it is in the evening when most people are home so roads would automatically be quieter? Also surely the Duty manager would have access to the system as they would be in charge of the store so would require access to all data available?

Are the driver that are getting let’s talks for parking up doing it when on the way back to store and effectively just hiding to avoid work or are they waiting for a customer that isn’t in as I can’t imagine it would stand up if they are getting a let’s talk for waiting for a customer to arrive for there designated time slot.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #8 on: 15-10-21, 09:41AM »
I think your argument might be flawed as you’ve said about not being able to to do an extra in the evening as you don’t have the time when you’ve already previously said that let’s talks are being issued for parking up when ahead during the day?


Two different evening shifts. We have a lack of evening drivers and when you already have 15 drops and they want to give you5/6 more they are not going to be done.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #9 on: 15-10-21, 10:46AM »
First thing to check is that the extras do not take the van overweight.  They should all be on a single manifest showing the total weight which is your legal protection if pulled.

Once had our store-bound (ie non driver) shift runner try to give us all extras but the computer would not let them move them to the routes as they would takes the vans over.  The extras got left behind with a stern note to not be so bloody stupid next time.
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Re: Van Data
« Reply #10 on: 15-10-21, 10:57PM »
You cannot be punished at all for refusing to deliver early, Tesco formal policy is we deliver on time or late only, early deliveries CAN result in formal performance management.

If you are ahead the correct policy procedure is to stop and wait.
Always ask the same question in these circumstances  show me that in policy.
If they can't show you the policy it doesn't exist  if they proceed file a grievance and complain.

As for extra drop, demand they're on the manifest incase you are pulled over and inspected  rats the Legal requirement  be aware of the vehicles weight and whenever you're within 100kg of full be careful if you have extra drops  because it may take you axle overweight if you do get pulled.
Remember to confirm with your driving hours, and tell any manager they are ALSO liable to a large fine if you get pulled when they say something.

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Re: Van Data
« Reply #11 on: 21-10-21, 02:41PM »
Let's all leave to £12.40p a hour ocado, £16 to £19 for overtime,  you don't load your own van, when you finish you get paid for it and go home, Let's go.It seems the managers are getting more petty every day I got pulled up the other day for being in the canteen at 17.55.