Has anyone heard of new changes happening soon. We had hiring stopped GA and team leaders
In January every year there is a focus on store's allowed hours. Could well be that as your store is over contracted (ie more hours are being used than are "needed") all recruitment has been stopped.
Tesco's end of financial year is at the end of February, recruitment is usually slow until after that period to make their profit statement look better than it is.
Oh, another round of RHRP in their sights! Depts told they are " over hours", and the few depts under hours are either by only a few, which doesn't equate to a contract, so stays as overtime, until all overtime cancelled, or have more than the now allowed low part time hours for a new contract for one person, so part is used as new contract, and the remainder is overtime ??? ???
They mainly now offer 3.75 shifts, all on flexi, no breaks needed, then wonder why the workers lack enthusiasm ??? No one knows each other from different depts, people clock in, go to their dept, clock out and go home!
The only ones who mainly use the canteen, are the full time managers :-X
Quotehey mainly now offer 3.75 shifts, all on flexi, no breaks needed, then wonder why the workers lack enthusiasm ??? No one knows each other from different depts, people clock in, go to their dept, clock out and go home!
Exactly this, and then the company makes a big performance of doing meetings and surveys to find out why so many on said contracts quit, one of the biggest mistakes the company ever made was to stop taking on CA (GA) on full time contracts or even the old part time 16 hour contracts, instead its tiny contracts and people quickly move on to something better and who can blame them, in the last few years I worked for them it was a case of new people came, had no real training, given a few hours per week with the promise of overtime and more core hours to come, apart from during the first lockdown neither ever really happened and then as soon as said new people could find something better they left and more newbies arrived and so the cycle began again.
Hi just wondering if anyone got any info about entertainment ?? And reducing lines on GM ?? Thank you for any information.
Correct me if I'am wrong but I think there are a couple of Extra trial stores out there that have given up GM space for bulk pallets of grocery stuff.
Something's coming in express format.
If any changes are coming to the structure in Express formats then unless it's replacing SMs with cluster managers, they can only add roles to the structure, they can't make it more streamlined than it is.
All DVD's, Blu-rays and games are going to be discontinued in March, I was told by an oakwood rep today. I believe Sainsbury's stopped selling them last year.
Quote from: Pda-smith on 14-01-22, 05:16PM
Something's coming in express format.
Could you give any more information on this?
Do we need SM, Lead manager, TM, Shift Leader and GAs or could we just have an Area manager with power to dismiss, a few working shift leaders to work alongside the GA.
I strongly question why we need lead team anymore and with the introduction of shift leaders feel the number of team managers could be substantially cut. If you look at the structure on a Sunday then compare it to a standard weekday - why does the week day require double/treble etc the Sunday Management headcount?
Very good point about the 'Sunday' structure. :D :D
Usually more management on the quiet nights. Night mangers on 30k+ bullying the hard workers to do more while the slackers get away with murder.
TESLA lol, same in our store.
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I strongly question why we need lead team anymore and with the introduction of shift leaders feel the number of team managers could be substantially cut. If you look at the structure on a Sunday then compare it to a standard weekday - why does the week day require double/treble etc the Sunday Management headcount?
Sunday could be seen as just another day. There has been talk, for years, that managers could go to a pattern where they work 5 days out of any 7. At the moment we generally don't have many managers who are contracted to sundays. Most shifts are done by managers on overtime and this often means working 6 days a wk. Generally most managers, in my experience, would welcome not having to do this. I work in Scotland though and trading hours are different. My store and a few others in the group trade 0800-2200 on Sundays. A store I used to work in has a TW manager who is contracted to the late shift so the rest of the managers need to cover the early shifts on overtime each wk, and the holiday cover for the TW manager. Some managers opt to take time back for the Sunday shift. This is generally not an issue.
Sunday is a busier day than some days in the wk. I have very mixed feelings on this. It would be a huge cost saving on managers wages with very little impact to stores other than having to give up the fact that Sunday is seen as a 'special' premium pay day.
Colleagues are contracted to sundays. As a Scottish store we have full contracted shifts for colleagues on Sunday working with only sick and holiday cover for overtime.
There has also been speculation on managers moving to continental hours. This tends to be 12 hour shifts with extra days off. I can't see this working. The longer shifts but less days would be fine, for most. It's just that with the removal of team leaders and shift leaders not yet fully landed a lot can happen during extended days off. You can only plan for so much, with the bigger roles now I can't see this happening.
Where are and when are t/l's and s/l's going?
Some Superstores lost the Checkout Team Support as part of the Manager restructure last year, along with some from Dot com.
You would already know if your store was one of them as they went in May last year.
As for Shift leaders, no store lost them, they are being introduced when Team mangers leave the business, however as a lot of stores still have too many Team managers, they will be slowly introduced.
Thanks for that i thought that was the case with s/'s
I bet most managers would love 12hr shifts with an extra day off as most seem to work 12hr shifts anyway
Not all stores have the shift leaders yet as they are not at structure and have too many managers.
Quote from: Redshoes on 21-01-22, 05:58AM
Not all stores have the shift leaders yet as they are not at structure and have too many managers.
not in my store they wait for the store managers car to leave the car park then all make a run for it as soon as he's gone
Quote from: T.C.1 on 14-01-22, 03:45PM
Correct me if I'am wrong but I think there are a couple of Extra trial stores out there that have given up GM space for bulk pallets of grocery stuff.
100%, another store close to me has just lost another 2 aisles of GM for even more bulk pallets, in total 4 aisles of GM has vanished over a couple of years.
Anyone know what will happen to gm hours if they cut back what they are saying they might?
"might" is not the case it is happening they are scrapping GM. The business is become lean and soon wont have all the excessive management we see today. Dotcom pickers will be next in exchange for an automated picking warehouse.
Dotcom pickers are already on their way out with the UFC rollout.
Any structure changes are welcome, it's an employees world right now so any redundancy payments are welcome to get me out this hell hole I've been doing for 11 year haha
Quote from: FarmerFred on 22-01-22, 10:07AM
Dotcom pickers are already on their way out with the UFC rollout.
For those of us who don't know what is the UFC rollout ?
UFC = Urban Fullfillment Centre, replacing Dot Com picking in a live store with computerised picking from a warehouse.
My store had ufc attached it,ok it might be to pick 8 times the amount of order but there more staff in there than you would think there would be. As in at times there can be 40 plus staff picking and filling and anyone time. There staff in there 24/7The line were so limited there now picking from shop floor again. all day they have 5 people that pick from the shop from to take to ufc for them to re pick. The put back are crazy they have a team doing this most of the day. Everything goes Back on the shop floor so takes ages to put stuff back. When it's breaks which happened a lot at least a couple a times a week the amount of reduction that the store is having to do is crazy produce spend all day doing them. It's the biggest waste of money ever
Does all that have any knock on effect to stock control?
Wacko2021 unfortunately I doubt they will pay redundancy after the big stock control cull a couple years back when more staff than they anticipated left with redundancy they said they wouldn't pay it again . It's like the management restructure now they are just moving them around and waiting till they leave ,which they will do with ga's in future
the bakers were after the stock controllers,they got redundancy too,and the regional people partners,however the deli staff got shafted and moved around the business,it will be intresting to see if they pay it for the wages clerks as no doubt they are next on the chopping block due to work and pay being rolled out
Our SM has covertly been taking pictures of staff when he thinks they're not working and sending them to the department manager to follow up. Is this allowed?
Expect team managers to be bought in line with a huge saving In future. Lots of managers on high salary and doing same job now head count wise as many on much lower salary. With bonus scheme in place expect payout of managers to a uniform salary across the board to reset performance pay. All shift leaders on £21k and all team
Managers on £23k working 5 days across 7.
Unless you have this from somewhere at the top I can't see it without the offer of redundancy. Example dotcom manager has 50-60 colleagues compared to say 5 on others no way a uniform manager rate would suffice.
Also need to be a buy out/deal regarding Sunday pay. No manager in the world is volunteering for 5-7 less salary and a drop of Sunday premiums.
Quote from: Harry_houdini on 30-01-22, 12:32AM
Expect team managers to be bought in line with a huge saving In future. Lots of managers on high salary and doing same job now head count wise as many on much lower salary. With bonus scheme in place expect payout of managers to a uniform salary across the board to reset performance pay. All shift leaders on £21k and all team
Managers on £23k working 5 days across 7.
Very unlikely, the reason why Team Managers have a variance in salary is because the demands of the role aren't the same shop to shop and department to department, grocery TM in the few SSs I've worked in tend to have the bigger responsibility (more aisles and more ca's to manage) while fresh or checkouts are what you'd generally find less experienced TMs managing.
Grocery TMs also tend to be paid more as well because of this, if they blankey pay all TMs the same regardless of format and department, they'll have a mass exodus on their hands.
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
I think checkout manager needs to be very experienced due to having most staff in store so more A/Rs retirement meetings return to work adjustments passports recruitment throughout tracking double scans till shorts holidays ss and says kpis. Looking after csd pfs trollies security cash office charity community duty shifts ... I've done both shopfloor and checkouts and checkouts is by far the most intense ... just my opinion :-*
Checkouts is jsut numbers though. As long as the checkout operator turns up and doesnt steal money its very basic management. With the added bonus that if you as the checkout manager screw up your rota or too many hols or bad relationship with the staff you just stick a red call out and cover your own arse while screwing the store over.
plus a lot of asda stores have gone 50% self scan,we may well go down the same route in the next couple of years
My point is I've done fresh management , gm and grocery and I've found checkouts the hardest
My holiday targets are spot on my Rita's are spot on but you can never account for it being unusually busy on a random Tuesday or the sun comes out and we're knee deep
I have full respect for colleagues on the shopfloor they work so hard and I would never belittle their contribution...
Quote from: Watcher on 30-01-22, 07:07PM
My point is I've done fresh management , gm and grocery and I've found checkouts the hardest
My holiday targets are spot on my Rita's are spot on but you can never account for it being unusually busy on a random Tuesday or the sun comes out and we're knee deep
I have full respect for colleagues on the shopfloor they work so hard and I would never belittle their contribution...
that's the big difference between checkouts and shopfloor, checkouts are immediately impacted by changes to trade and it's immediatey noticeable.
There was a lot of angst in our store about checkout calls, luckily a new manager is doing things differently eg
- only take one person from each other department so nobody is left short
- release shop floor colleagues first when it gets quieter, then other front end areas, then cashiers (for putbacks/breaks/training)
- GM colleagues had problems being stuck on a till as they often get called to help get stuff from the lockup at the back, so instead they go on self service queue management as they can drop that if they need to
- cashiers to return the favour by helping de-carding etc
Quote from: Jacqueres on 29-01-22, 11:15PM
Our SM has covertly been taking pictures of staff when he thinks they're not working and sending them to the department manager to follow up. Is this allowed?
NO!!!
Easy solution, when called for follow up by dept managers, act ignorant until they show you the photo, or state it was sent to them by SM! (Take a buddy in as witness ;))
You then grievance the SM, on invasion of privacy!! The CCTV is there under strict adherence to the rules of non monitoring staff for productivity...why would the SM thinks they're above that :-X :-X
Store manager brief completed at 9am today
Managers and union briefing is 12pm, changes do not impact salaried colleagues
Well there's no surprise 8-)
our store manager is on holiday,and no one knows nothing about this,union reps included
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
The point I was trying to make is that a blanket salary for all TM's wouldn't work as the demands are different store to store, a lot of feathers would be ruffled for example if a dot com extra TM was paid the same as a low taking ss fresh tm. As well as the differences in capability TM from TM.
There's a reason the lowest salaried TM is about 22.5k and their earning potential is circa 55k a year. Disparities like that are there for a reason.
Quote from: kaled78 on 31-01-22, 11:00AM
our store manager is on holiday,and no one knows nothing about this,union reps included
More will come out after 12. Happens on this Monday (or the one after) every single
Year. Shouldn't be a surprise
Brief to SM today was about further changes & closures of the remaing counters.
so fish and meat now gone completely in all stores?,or is it store specific?
Quote from: ExSMfloor on 31-01-22, 11:22AM
Quote from: kaled78 on 31-01-22, 11:00AM
our store manager is on holiday,and no one knows nothing about this,union reps included
More will come out after 12. Happens on this Monday (or the one after) every single
Year. Shouldn't be a surprise
Any news yet?
Quote from: kaled78 on 31-01-22, 02:03PM
so fish and meat now gone completely in all stores?,or is it store specific?
They can't even get turkeys which aren't rancid at Christmas why would you buy at Tesco's counters.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 31-01-22, 11:08AM
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
The point I was trying to make is that a blanket salary for all TM's wouldn't work as the demands are different store to store, a lot of feathers would be ruffled for example if a dot com extra TM was paid the same as a low taking ss fresh tm. As well as the differences in capability TM from TM.
There's a reason the lowest salaried TM is about 22.5k and their earning potential is circa 55k a year. Disparities like that are there for a reason.
surely you mean 22.5k-35k not 55k. There are not TMs on 55k.
There aren't many on 35k, the upper hand is about 31, and that's for those long timers
Also been told, as part of todays announcement, that the hold previously put on the culling of night crews in stores is over and it's now starting up at pace again......
Correct.
No info on our super duper pay rise then 8-)
Any info on those effected from todays announcements then? Rather than beating round the bush and dribbling little bits here and there...
Fish and butcheries to close May 2nd no redundancies
Nothing on Bakeries? (-*-)
Quote from: gummibear on 31-01-22, 04:30PM
Also been told, as part of todays announcement, that the hold previously put on the culling of night crews in stores is over and it's now starting up at pace again......
so who told you this as todays press release does not mention nights
Where have you seen the press release? Can't find anything anywhere.
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
Our dot comedy manager has the cognitive abilities of Joe Biden. Lucky for them, they have a good TL who does most of the real work. Dot comedy manager is like a dot comedy picker: you could train a monkey to do it. :D ;D
As for stock control, they're pretty much worthless as far as Fresh departments are concerned. They are helpless to stop the persons at Centre from forcing in stock we don't need and can't sell.
[admin]Choose your words better.[/admin]
I did fresh stock control in the past, was fine when stores had a certain amount of discretion over things, once it all went to the centre things quickly went down hill.
Jacks is getting scrapped too using the Tesco founder Jack Cohens name in vain so much for a tribute to him. The local butchers and fishmongers will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Its the annual newsleak of the end of January cull.
Has now made national news, not what I was expecting but some changes nonetheless
All jacks stores to close
Fish meat and deli to close (although these were already closed in the vast vast majority of stores)
Taken from Our Tesco:
Dear colleagues,
We operate in a highly competitive, fast-paced market that is changing rapidly. Over the last two years, as we've responded to the challenges of COVID-19, our business has changed faster than at any other point in our history. Our customers are shopping differently, and many of our colleagues are working differently too.
Last year we launched our new strategic priorities to ensure we can continue to serve our customers in the best way possible and are well-placed for the years ahead. This means we need to continuously look at how we can run our business as simply and efficiently as possible, so we can re-invest in the things that add most value for customers.
Today, we're announcing some changes focused on helping us do this.
Jack's stores
We will be closing seven of our 13 Jack's stores and changing the remaining six to Tesco large stores. Jack's was launched in 2018 to celebrate our centenary and founder, Jack Cohen, and to gain knowledge from running stores with a low-cost operating model.
We have learned a tremendous amount from Jack's and this has helped Tesco become more competitive, more efficient and strengthen the value we offer to customers – including the launch of Aldi Price Match, as well as our popular Fresh 5 fruit and veg discount proposition which we have since launched in businesses across the Group.
As a result, we have consistently attracted new customers to Tesco from our competitors over the last two years and their perception of the value they can find at Tesco has increased significantly. With the learnings from Jack's now fully absorbed into Tesco, the time is right to focus on driving value within our core business.
Thanks to its strong recognition with customers for great quality and value, the Jack's brand will live on, with Jack's-branded products available to independent convenience stores supplied by Booker.
Jack's colleagues working in the six stores that will change to Tesco stores will be automatically offered roles there. For the 130 remaining colleagues across the seven stores which will close and in head office, our priority is to try and find alternative roles at Tesco for all who want to stay with us and we will work individually with each affected colleague to support them during this period of change.
Tesco stores
Customer shopping behaviour has changed considerably over recent years which has led to a decrease in the number of customers using counters on a regular basis in some of our stores. This has made it necessary to review the relevance of each counter within our stores.
In 279 stores where we see local customer demand for meat, fish or hot deli counters, we will continue to offer these services. However, in 317 stores where we see the lowest demand, we will close these counters and repurpose the space to better reflect our customers' needs. There will be no redundancies related to these counter changes, as impacted colleagues will be offered alternative roles.
These are difficult decisions to make, but they are necessary to ensure we can continue to serve customers in the best possible way.
Many thanks,
Jason
I imagine a lot of stores are 'over hours' on their Heat Maps so would like to know how they can offer alternative roles ???.
I guess a lot of the ones that are currently part time counters will close then!,that explains why the made the skills payment seperate,looks like staff are going to get screwed again
Quote from: madness on 31-01-22, 02:56PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 31-01-22, 11:08AM
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
The point I was trying to make is that a blanket salary for all TM's wouldn't work as the demands are different store to store, a lot of feathers would be ruffled for example if a dot com extra TM was paid the same as a low taking ss fresh tm. As well as the differences in capability TM from TM.
There's a reason the lowest salaried TM is about 22.5k and their earning potential is circa 55k a year. Disparities like that are there for a reason.
surely you mean 22.5k-35k not 55k. There are not TMs on 55k.
Our friend NowAnExManager says he is, along with another claimed handful.
Any news about Express?? .
Seems like t***o don't give a flying F**K about us staff.
I was off today but heard from my boss that we are going down from 132 shift leader hours to 109.5. In our store we have 3 full time @ 36.5 hours and one part timer @ 22.5 hours, so we'll effectively lose the part timer. No one to be made redundant but if part timer leaves then they won't be replaced, if full timer leaves then they'll be replaced by how many hours we have left up to 109.5.
so back to the old structure as when we had a deputy manager. just minus the extra shift leader and deputy manager!!
Can confirm that selected stores will go from nights to twilight fill. Not sure on what stores or groups are effected. Redundancy will be offered for colleagues going through this, although jobs will be available for those who want to go to twilights.
Not all counters are closing, some of the larger high turnover stores will keep selected counters.
Some front end changes are coming too, reduced opening hours for main bank, removal of some hours for different bits and pieces.
Some hours removed for smaller projects, for example no SELs on flower buckets so stores will lose this time (minutes rather than hours in this case)
Some investment into BWS hours, nothing to get excited about unfortunately
Just had my line manager on the phone to me informing me that BWS will be moving from night fill to days/twilight. He asked me what my availability would be, and said he should have more info by the time i get back into work i work Thurs/Fri/Sat night's. He read that from a brief sent to him.
Haha. Salaried shift leaders. Knew it.
"Sorry someone has rang in sick you'll have to come in "
£21k as well. What a joke.
For counters colleagues who are given alternative roles in store I do wonder how they'll feel when they find out some stores are going to a Twilight fill and any affected colleagues who aren't able to take up a job on Day/Twilight shifts are to be offered redundancy.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised they've only announced half of the story thus far.
As for no SELs on Flower buckets it's not something we've done in our store for a long time now so it's taken them long enough to get around to removing a few minutes here and there.
Seeing as they are hellbent on turning us into a carbon copy of the discounters perhaps they ought to actually reduce how much we range in store and how much stock is forced in because, let's face it, as this rate there'll be no one left in stores to do anything :D.
Is redundancy based off of your current nights basic or throughout your service I've been ten years gone from team support to nights GA
No redundancy will be offered to BWS staff. They will just be moved onto other nights replenishment areas.
Quote from: Suppord on 01-02-22, 12:38AM
Is redundancy based off of your current nights basic or throughout your service I've been ten years gone from team support to nights GA
If nothing has changed since I went through the stock control consultation it will be based off your current role and salary. Although I know a lot can change at Tesco even within 3 years ;D
For those looking at rough idea of redundancy payments there is the vlhelps redundancy calculator on the bottom of the home page. I got the news last night so at least I know roughly what I'll get. If the figure is roughly correct I'll be leaving. Atmosphere in the store bad as you can imagine. God knows how the store will be filled on twilight shifts. Store just too busy.
They say there won't be any redundancies , therefore can they force you into another role/ department?
No redundancies being offered. Current bws staff on nights will just move to other replenishment as deemed reasonable. If any other dept still on nights such as security they can move onto night replenishment or to days if theres a job. They will have premium protected or a buy out of premium
It will hinge on whether the new role is a reasonable alternative. If you fill BWS Mon, Wed, Fri night and are offered a role Mon, Wed, Fri night to fill soft drinks you may struggle to class that as a unreasonable alternative.....whereas if you work 9-2pm Mon and Wed on Hot Deli being offered Fri & Sat 7pm-Midnight on tills potentially may be.
Haha. Salaried shift leaders. Knew it.
"Sorry someone has rang in sick you'll have to come in "
£21k as well. What a joke.
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Anymore info on this. As an Express shift leader. I earned 23.8k last year. As I make sure I get paid for every minute I go over my time.
Redundancy only an option if the entire night operation goes to twilight. Not just BWS
Will affected stores have found out if they are losing their counters operations and potentially the moving of BWS to Twilights/entire Night operation by now?
Not back at work until later on in the week.
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 01-02-22, 09:13AM
Will affected stores have found out if they are losing their counters operations and potentially the moving of BWS to Twilights/entire Night operation by now?
Not back at work until later on in the week.
Most will have been briefed yesterday I would assume due to the leak in the papers. Thankfully for my staff on BWS I won't loose any of them and my night team will just be about 65hrs over contracted till people leave and the hours align but I'd rather loose overtime than see staff I've known for years loose their jobs
The can dress it up all they like about doing what's best for customers. In Reality its what's best for shareholders.
hard to imagine the amount of cuts Tesco make taking place in a unionised company. oh wait.......
Thanks Leeds106. With you on rather being short on overtime than losing experienced and well liked members of the team (yet again.)
Kieth_Lemon, completely agree with you. If they bothered to actually listen to customers (and colleagues)... Nice of Uselesssdaw to remain as silent as ever.
"Nice of Uselesssdaw to remain as silent as ever".
Well, someone had to pay the price for that union getting a payrise for our friends in distribution. Tesco do not give without taking from elsewhere.
They won't be able to get night workers onto days as that's not a reasonable alternative, for a number of employees, legally speaking the only option is redundancy (unless you get some BS artist to "persuade" them to move into another area, unfortunately many employees don't know their rights so get kowtowed in such a way.)
Quote from: Redone1 on 01-02-22, 05:45AM
Haha. Salaried shift leaders. Knew it.
"Sorry someone has rang in sick you'll have to come in "
£21k as well. What a joke.
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Anymore info on this. As an Express shift leader. I earned 23.8k last year. As I make sure I get paid for every minute I go over my time.
Yeah, whats this about? I did the same last year.
BBC News - Tesco puts 1,600 jobs at risk as it ends overnight restocking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60213085
We were told last night about our night shift going. Just the usual blah blah blah. Most of us want it.
Quote from: Couldntpossiblysay on 01-02-22, 04:58AM
For those looking at rough idea of redundancy payments there is the vlhelps redundancy calculator on the bottom of the home page. I got the news last night so at least I know roughly what I'll get. If the figure is roughly correct I'll be leaving. Atmosphere in the store bad as you can imagine. God knows how the store will be filled on twilight shifts. Store just too busy.
What type of store are you? How many night staff do you have? Thank you
I would be happy to be made redundant.
What worries me is the people who are to old to get new better pay and now or they loose job or will be forced to change shift pattern and earn less.
For those who want redundancy...your availability window, stays the same as now...same hours, same shifts!
Don't believe any BS spewn about, until you're specifically informed, in a formal meeting and in writing, that there is no redundancy, take it that there is. Nights to days is not a reasonable adjustment, and is a redundancy situation.
S/c told no redundancy...yes there was...bakery told no redundancy...yes there was! Counters told no redundancy...ditto!
I see counters getting shafted again ??? first time round, a lot of our counter staff were misinformed by their self proclaimed ( wannabe T/L ) mouthpiece, who liaised on their behalf with the SM, and was duped into the lies told! By the time I got to hear what had gone on, it was too late and most had signed to do less hours or shift changes, as they believed redundancy wasn't an option >:(
If you are to be made redundant, then there are options open to you in regard alternative employment...you are allowed time off to attend interviews with other prospective employers. I seem to recall 4 half shifts?
You can take an option offered on another dept for a 4 week trial, but if unsuitable can still take redundancy after the 4 weeks, but you need to inform a least a week before, that you won't be staying!
You get job seekers allowance for the first 6 months, regardless of redundancy payment!
Check out any re training packages being offered by your local council or education authority.
You can re apply for a Tesco job after 6 months.
If you are offered alternative employment, in writing, during the redundancy period, to commence earlier than your final day, your redundancy package should be honoured in full, and you released early to take up new position
id advise anyone fortunate enough to be offered redundancy to take it. 5 years ago I had the chance and bottled it and stayed in the company. worst thing I ever ever did. in fact staying in retail is pretty much the worst thing any of us could do. the who sector is changing. I remember the whole "job for life" nonsense.funny even iff I could get a full time contract, or in fact a few days of 7.5 hours on contract its still virtually impossible to earn what I did on nights 5 years ago....sod this nonsense of £10 an hour, everything else has been stripped so much that if you seriously need to earn money you really cant anymore.
Any news if anything is going to happen to Team Support
Any idea what shops are losing nightfill? Or is it top secret at the moment? I doubt it will be those with dot com.
Id love to know what Uselessdaw have to say
Quote from: StinkyPoo on 01-02-22, 03:52PM
Any idea what shops are losing nightfill? Or is it top secret at the moment? I doubt it will be those with dot com.
Seen something in the paper about 1600 jobs to go including scrapping Jacks and night fill GA in petrol station stores. This was always going to happen with electric cars the new normal.
It is nothing to do with electric cars, its all about running the petrol stations on the cheap overnight when trade is slower.
It is one of many factors. Seen more press saying 1400 jobs effected lots of extra stores losing night fill.
Getting rid of nights would be the biggest mistake they'd make. If nights go so does 85% of operational liquidity. With no night team there will be too much stock not going on the shelves, it's a fast and hard route to bankruptcy let me tell you.
Any news on remaining Tesco security guards, I'm the only one left in my store
They want day fills, so there's feet on floor to cover checkout calls! The whole point of going to night fills, was because customers complained the aisles were blocked with cages and they couldn't get to the stock!
Give it six months, when they've got rid of the old full timers on the old contracts, they'll go back to twilight then nights again, but with closed stores. The workforce will be on flexible contracts, buffered by temps for busy periods, all on basic wage!
Invest the redundancy money wisely you'll have equal pay money anyway. ;) ;)
Quote from: Rumblerumble on 01-02-22, 03:47PM
Any news if anything is going to happen to Team Support
You still have Team Support?
The only thing that hinders a store filling on twilights is distribution. Customers don't really impact that much. Late wagons on the other hand can make or break your twilight operation. All delivs would need to be and split by 6pm at the latest.
Don't worry about the twilight team sitting on checkouts, one of the other changes is a reduction in the open times of main bank till.
For those considering taking redundancy, you will get a tax free payout and be able to walk into another retail or service industry job with very little effort.
For those staying, twilight isn't all that bad. You'll get a lump sum payout or some sort of pay protection and you'll be surprised how enjoyable customer interaction can be.
Those hoping to stay in fresh, the 5am starts aren't all that good
Thought that role went last year and was renamed "Off till" with a GA paygrade?
There is service support in larger stores still on team leader pay or off till in smaller stores on GA pay. With cash transactions declining year on year feel service support won't be a long term career option......
Quote from: Davethebave on 01-02-22, 05:16PM
Don't worry about the twilight team sitting on checkouts, one of the other changes is a reduction in the open times of main bank till.
Does anyone know the changes for checkouts ? Not even a year ago I was demoted from team support to off till activity, can't afford to lose more money with less hours !
Tesco is going bust.
Stupid remark.
I work in an express in a city centre in the south west, our overnights were removed last year and its been a disaster for our customers and colleagues. Everyone going through this please go on colleague help and look for the policies for moving people, my manager and people partner hadnt and it wasnt dealt with to policy, i now have a new manager who has removed the protected pay and a whole new can of worms has been opened
Quote from: Vicario on 01-02-22, 11:22PM
I work in an express in a city centre in the south west, our overnights were removed last year and its been a disaster for our customers and colleagues. Everyone going through this please go on colleague help and look for the policies for moving people, my manager and people partner hadnt and it wasnt dealt with to policy, i now have a new manager who has removed the protected pay and a whole new can of worms has been opened
Never trust a manager, especially a people partner, caught way too many out trying to do me over.
Most of them don't have a legal or business background, all they know is Tesco and the dole queues.
Quote from: Davethebave on 01-02-22, 05:16PM
The only thing that hinders a store filling on twilights is distribution. Customers don't really impact that much. Late wagons on the other hand can make or break your twilight operation. All delivs would need to be and split by 6pm at the latest.
Don't worry about the twilight team sitting on checkouts, one of the other changes is a reduction in the open times of main bank till.
For those considering taking redundancy, you will get a tax free payout and be able to walk into another retail or service industry job with very little effort.
For those staying, twilight isn't all that bad. You'll get a lump sum payout or some sort of pay protection and you'll be surprised how enjoyable customer interaction can be.
Those hoping to stay in fresh, the 5am starts aren't all that good
I agree, the success of a twilight fill depends on the time the delivery arrives. This wk we have had a failed delivery Monday turn up on Tuesday, two deliveries that day.
Failed delivery was down to the weather. The whole of the north of Scotland affected as the train lines were closed at Dalwhinnie. I gather some stores had stock take that day so that is a whole different nightmare.
From experience if the train line is closed and the delivery has to come by road it arrives at about 2200 and we have TW on until 2330. We have not had a night team for years, we do have to put a night shift on at times. We do for Christmas and the solution to the failed delivery was to add to TW with a few bodies doing a night shift. Trouble is that a failed delivery is very short notice and it the recovery that has to be planned.
If we have delivery left over the early duty works it. We try and manage it so if anything is left it's an aisle rather than cages. Stock control can then still gap scan etc in the morning but miss the aisle not finished. Once they have done what they need to they then jump in to fill. If not many labels PI fill. If store is quiet checkouts help, anyone and everyone. If grocery is left over and we get an extra big fresh delivery it is a matter of splitting the support and sometimes we only just get one delivery finished before the next one arrives. The key is that backstock can't be missed. No matter what happens with the delivery times the backstock has to be turned. If that is missed we just end up with bigger and bigger backstock and stock errors.
I do think the time that TW ends is critical. It's not the time of day it's how long you have got after the store closes to customers.
We can only assume that the driver shortage issue has been resolved.
As for the small format stores, are the trading hours changing? We have all read about some express stores in city centres being exposed to drunks etc during the night. If the colleagues are vulnerable I can see why this has happened. Life is never black and white but it all comes down to profit.
If it costs more to stay open than it does close there is a limit to how long that can go on. I used to work in a big extra near a hospital. Overnight trade was strong. Sales of baby clothes, flowers, pj's etc very strong. During COVID this has all changed. The visiting of patients has all changed so the gift buying has changed. We have to roll with the changes. Working from home has had an impact too. More people shopping during the day. Evenings and night trade much quieter.
It's awful being part of a structure change. I have been through it myself more than once. I do feel for everyone affected. We are still finding out how it affects people. It's hard not to worry but as much as we can we need to deal with fact. Everyone effected should know by now, but we do know that sones stores are much better at doing this than others.
Anyone know when consultation starts ?
Our store is losing the remaining Fish and Meat counter (guess it'll go to Grab & Go?) and BWS is also going to a day time fill. Our BWS night colleagues are hopefully being kept on the night team but if someone leaves they won't be replaced as we are around 50 hours over.
What size store are you
We take about £400k /wk
And have a small night team and our changes same as yours
Does anyone know if there is a roll out of stores going nights to day and the time frames for this
We are a large superstore and I *think* we average around £700k/week. No Dot Com/Click and Collect (that comes from another store).
Who knows if the big T are planning on rolling out the axing of night shifts, I wouldn't be surprised, but to the best of my knowledge those stores who are losing their night fill are the only ones (for now).
Just need to remember, this time, next year we fill out 'No One Listens or Cares' *after* they've announced another round of cuts :thumbdown:.
"What, you didn't see that coming?"
- Quicksilver, Age of Ultron.
Tesco is run by pathologically greedy sociopaths who care even less about their colleagues and customers than I do. Which is saying something. >:D All they give a damn about is coming up with the next Big Idea in order to justify their wages and bonuses. By the time the chickens have come home to roost and Tesco is losing customers because the stores look like excrement, the people responsible for this mess will either have moved on to other jobs, or convinced everyone that only they are capable of solving the problem they created in the first place. 8-)
Quote from: Pancakes on 02-02-22, 07:49AM
Anyone know when consultation starts ?
We were told 14th Feb
Happy Valentines Day.
They're sharing the love 8-) group hug anyone :-* :-*
I'd be happy to hug every member of the board.
Around the neck. >:D
With a light but steady pressure
Any idea if there is list of stores affected? All stores are moving BWS on twilight???
Will the store managers be conducting the consultation or will they bring in personnel ?
We were told last night that nothing was heard of our night team going to days, however bws was and non food is going. But from what I'm reading in articals, Tesco are scrapping their Nightshift workforce and moving that structure to days. Be nice to know what is actually happening.
When you say non food do you mean h&b as I've heard it's also being scrapped in this recent cull
Thinks nights are going in superstore only and they are removing h and b, bws on days in the extra we work for
As it was "hardlines" their night operation went to days about 4 years ago H&B could be store specific
I took buy out when team support left, I feel like I'm going to be shafted because I dropped four hours and went to nights
I bet I won't get that considered in my redundancy, probsbly be dropped down because I've dropped hours.
Our store (extra) is losing BWS to a twilight fill and that's it. Current BWS staff are being rotated in to existing vacancies on other night fill departments.
Overall otherwise, grocery losing 7 hours, and PI losing 1 hour a week. No other operational changes other than that this time around.
Good luck to the affected colleagues. I've been through the whole consultation thing and it can be a stressful and worrying time, especially in the current climate.
Quote from: Pancakes on 02-02-22, 12:52PM
Will the store managers be conducting the consultation or will they bring in personnel ?
Pretty much all personnel have gone, one people manager per group, certainly knows the last round of redundancies it was left to the team managers to complete the 121's this was the case for counters and stock control a couple of years back.
Thank you for that ☺️
Quote from: Pda-smith on 31-01-22, 10:52PM
Haha. Salaried shift leaders. Knew it.
"Sorry someone has rang in sick you'll have to come in "
£21k as well. What a joke.
How can it be right that Shift leaders are on such a high salary when team managers are all different, grocery on higher than checkouts and grocery only a handful of colleagues when checkouts is 7x as many, lower rate for managing more colleagues, it's all wrong, it's appalling pay structure, same with stock and a handful of colleagues!
You get bin men on more than £21k a year, also Express Shift Leaders are the sole authority most of the time, they manage checkouts, fresh, grocery, PI, stock control and admin as well as the site and S&L and occasionally rotas and holiday, they're worth more than low level TMs.
Also phone shop managers are part funded by O2 hency why they have a cushier gig, assistant store managers at O2 are on about £26k a year.
Quote from: Nightproduceworker on 02-02-22, 04:05PM
We were told last night that nothing was heard of our night team going to days, however bws was and non food is going. But from what I'm reading in articals, Tesco are scrapping their Nightshift workforce and moving that structure to days. Be nice to know what is actually happening.
It will be gradual so as not to put too much strain on distribution.
When will they never learn soon there's going to be one change too many and it's going to go tits up.
You really think they care? The people responsible for this will still get their huge wages, their bonuses, stock options etc. When it all goes the Shape of the Pear, they will either blame people below them on the greasy pole, move to another job or, most likely, get another huge wad of cash for fixing the problems they created in the first place.
Cynical? Moi? 8-)
Quote from: Suppord on 02-02-22, 05:25PM
I took buy out when team support left, I feel like I'm going to be shafted because I dropped four hours and went to nights
I bet I won't get that considered in my redundancy, probsbly be dropped down because I've dropped hours.
I am the same. I am hearing that main-bank checkouts will not be open after 8 or 9 pm. just the self scan!!! So no off till activity is required. So shifts are potentially going to be rearranged and moved about because the way my team is contracted means that would result in our shifts over-lapping! I took the evening shifts as these were better for child care for me when one of the old team supports went to the shift leader job. Now my shifts will have to start earlier meaning I may not be able to do them! Total disaster of a company all to save a few pennys.
Our Superstore, without .com and on 700+k sale/week is loosing BWS(again).
Salaried Team Support? When that happening? Can see checkout team support having a hissy s*** fit over that
Salaried Express Shift Leaders on £21k a year won't work if the intent is to curtail their earnings through not paying overtime, currently a express shift leader in a moderately busy express store can earn £24k a year through overtime and premiums, heck keeping their salary at £21k means a ca who does a bit of overtime will out earn them. You won't have anyone becoming an Express Shift Leader if they can easily earn more as a ca.
Can anyone confirm where they've heard this change to salaried shift leaders? I'm a Shift Lead in large superstore and I've not heard anything... personally I think that's bad because I regularly do overtime and have to stay late sometimes, the pay for the role isnt the best in my opinion considering the responsibility as it is as it's such a heavy role in large stores, especially when I'm expected to run the shop with 30 staff in for 6+hrs on my own.
Once again my store has escaped the Night Shift cull....I've no idea how we keep slipping through, we're not a large store by any means, we don't take that much money although we do have dot com. Several of us are quite disappointed we haven't been selected, many of us are long serving staff who'd take a decent amount in redundancy should we get it. I don't wish job losses on anyone of course and I'm sure there are many upset staff at the moment and I sympathise but in our case it would be a relief to get out with something to show for all our years of work. It would give us a nice cushion so we wouldn't have to rush out and get any old job we could find and for some it may even speed up their retirement plans. It's a sad state of affairs when people are actually disappointed they're not losing their jobs...a reflection of just how bad our store is.
This is in the press now
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/02/tesco-to-stop-selling-cds-and-dvds-in-stores-as-shoppers-switch-to-streaming
Was vaguely aware of the potential removal of CDs/DVDs in stores (from what little I've seen on Yammer) but apart from DVDs we lost CDs a number of years ago now.
I completely missed the part where they'd announced the closure of hot deli in certain stores too... found out this morning we're losing ours. Feel very bad for my colleagues on there because they've put up with some right s**t the past couple of years.
Doesn't come as too much of a surprise as they changed the hours it opened from so they lost out on a lot of the early morning rush we used to get.
Out of all the depts, the deli and counters have been shafted the most! The part time trading, led to those who didn't have long service so redundancy wasn't an option, taking a drop in hours with the cushion payment.
For those who did have long service but didn't take the redundancy, now face less redundancy payout, due to less hour contracts, so the cushion payment received only a few years back, which dropped with pay rise etc..now probably is less than the redundancy package they would have received back then ??? So lose, lose!
Deli staff aren't being offered redundancy
Quote from: NightAndDay on 03-02-22, 08:28AM
Salaried Express Shift Leaders on £21k a year won't work if the intent is to curtail their earnings through not paying overtime, currently a express shift leader in a moderately busy express store can earn £24k a year through overtime and premiums, heck keeping their salary at £21k means a ca who does a bit of overtime will out earn them. You won't have anyone becoming an Express Shift Leader if they can easily earn more as a ca.
Best job is night fill in large format you can spend all night between 1/2 aisles and that is it with the odd team fill and call to the office for a sit down. Forget to wear you name badge...check the time on your phone... go to the toilet... then they might be daft enough to ask why the works not finished. As there is always sickness, holiday and not many want to do overtime there is always plenty for those who do.
Nights in superstore as a ca is a cushty gig, heard otherwise as a TM. Nights in an Express fuel site was rubbish when I was there, 1 on 1, take in £30-£40k in a 9 hour shift, no self serves or pay at pump, and had to work grocery, backstock, price integrity, frozen, h+b, bws, hard lines, household, fill promo ends, newspaper returns, fill cigarettes, S&L logbook, costa machine, newspapers and inserts and rumble, that is a role worthy of £30k a year don't care what anyone says.
Quote from: spike_pkh on 03-02-22, 01:05PM
Deli staff aren't being offered redundancy
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 03-02-22, 10:00AM
I completely missed the part where they'd announced the closure of hot deli in certain stores too... found out this morning we're losing ours. Feel very bad for my colleagues on there because they've put up with some right s**t the past couple of years.
Doesn't come as too much of a surprise as they changed the hours it opened from so they lost out on a lot of the early morning rush we used to get.
??? ???
Quote from: madness on 31-01-22, 02:56PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 31-01-22, 11:08AM
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
The point I was trying to make is that a blanket salary for all TM's wouldn't work as the demands are different store to store, a lot of feathers would be ruffled for example if a dot com extra TM was paid the same as a low taking ss fresh tm. As well as the differences in capability TM from TM.
There's a reason the lowest salaried TM is about 22.5k and their earning potential is circa 55k a year. Disparities like that are there for a reason.
surely you mean 22.5k-35k not 55k. There are not TMs on 55k.
I'm on very close to that. Last year with Sundays I pulled in over 60k.
60k away you go you couldn't pull your ****
Hot deli staff are being moved to other roles, no redundancy
@Nowanexmanager :-X
Why ??? what's the point of all this peacock strutting stuff ???
You're taking pleasure in others misfortune AGAIN! Posting about how well you're doing and how much you earn...how they couldn't replace you blah...blah...blah!
If there's anything the last 20 months should have taught us, is that non of us are invincible! Somehow, all the achievements seem pretty pointless when out of the blue, family members and loved ones are suddenly gone!!
These colleagues are losing their security, jobs, hours, at the worst of Financial Times in decades, whilst you feel the need to do a Boris, and smirk!! :(
Quote from: NightAndDay on 03-02-22, 08:28AM
Salaried Express Shift Leaders on £21k a year won't work if the intent is to curtail their earnings through not paying overtime, currently a express shift leader in a moderately busy express store can earn £24k a year through overtime and premiums, heck keeping their salary at £21k means a ca who does a bit of overtime will out earn them. You won't have anyone becoming an Express Shift Leader if they can easily earn more as a ca.
Who has said no overtime for salaried shift leads.
Managers are salaried and are paid overtime. Managers don't clock but they have to request overtime payments or premium payments for Sundays and nights.
Will affected counters colleagues be offered roles in the same store out of interest? Or is it anywhere that has a vacancy?
Just wondering because, to the best of knowledge, not one department in our store has any at all.
Quote from: Redshoes on 04-02-22, 07:07AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 03-02-22, 08:28AM
Salaried Express Shift Leaders on £21k a year won't work if the intent is to curtail their earnings through not paying overtime, currently a express shift leader in a moderately busy express store can earn £24k a year through overtime and premiums, heck keeping their salary at £21k means a ca who does a bit of overtime will out earn them. You won't have anyone becoming an Express Shift Leader if they can easily earn more as a ca.
Who has said no overtime for salaried shift leads.
Managers are salaried and are paid overtime. Managers don't clock but they have to request overtime payments or premium payments for Sundays and nights.
Nobody has, however the common precedent set by industry standards is that salaried positions as opposed to hourly positions is to have a fixed rate of pay regardless of how many hours you do but it tends to work both ways which means overtime is expected and likewise early finishes are to.
Saying this though I know it's not always the case, my on-call payments and overtime does considerably boost my salary, however there are plenty of jobs out there where salary equates to no overtime payments (Aldi manager positions being one of them.)
Quote from: Nowanexmgr on 03-02-22, 09:20PM
Quote from: madness on 31-01-22, 02:56PM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 31-01-22, 11:08AM
Quote from: madness on 30-01-22, 04:35PM
I would say your more experienced managers need to be the Dot com, stock/admin and fresh manager.
The grocery gm and checkouts can be less experienced as yes can be more numbers than the fresh or stock but it is a far less technical job.
The point I was trying to make is that a blanket salary for all TM's wouldn't work as the demands are different store to store, a lot of feathers would be ruffled for example if a dot com extra TM was paid the same as a low taking ss fresh tm. As well as the differences in capability TM from TM.
There's a reason the lowest salaried TM is about 22.5k and their earning potential is circa 55k a year. Disparities like that are there for a reason.
surely you mean 22.5k-35k not 55k. There are not TMs on 55k.
I'm on very close to that. Last year with Sundays I pulled in over 60k.
Your mateyboy days are numbered then if they decide to make all TMs on the same salary.
To be fair to you though I don't see it happening, the demands of the role shop to shop and department to department are too different to justify paying all TMs the same amount.
Quote from: lucgeo on 01-02-22, 05:06PM
They want day fills, so there's feet on floor to cover checkout calls! The whole point of going to night fills, was because customers complained the aisles were blocked with cages and they couldn't get to the stock!
Give it six months, when they've got rid of the old full timers on the old contracts, they'll go back to twilight then nights again, but with closed stores. The workforce will be on flexible contracts, buffered by temps for busy periods, all on basic wage!
I think the bosses are fully aware they won't be able to fill stores on twilight and will leave it 6 to 8 months then say they made a mistake then reinstate the night shift with two p time managers and a team leader at much reduced rates. They are in for a big shock when they try to recruit staff for that.
I think they are struggling to recruit any position at the moment. I work in dotcom. We are seriously struggling with a lack of drivers at the mo, 10 driving vacancies have been advertised & we managed to fill 2 positions!! But still they think it's ok to pay us peanuts when all the other supermarkets are increasing wages. We've lost 3 drivers lately who have gone to drive for a Sainsburys around the corner. From Feb they will be earning £1.27 p/h more than they were getting at Tesco, that's £185 a month on full time contract.
I work nights in large Extra store with Dot com.
We seem to have avoided the latest cull and we know this as our managers comment was you know as much as I do !!! .
Just once I would like Tesco to treat their staff with some dignity,we aren't stupid we just want to be told what the plan is. Those people who are affected then have a choice stick around and see what's offered, get proper advice on our rights and entitlements and the stay or leave .
Now the rest of us who have survived the latest Hunger games are waiting for the axe to fall on us . Usdaw for God's sake get in touch with your members give them the tools to see what they are entitled to and questions they need to ask at interviews.
All night workers seem to be on borrowed time.
I'm also in an extra with dot com, no news for us night crew yet! A lot of us long timers just want them to get it over and done with so we can take the money and run. Our store is dead after 8pm, no idea why we stay open until midnight. Can't ever see us opening 24 hours again.
These restructures don't just get planned overnight. some of these changes would have been months if not years in the planning.
I would think they have a goal that was probably set 5-6 years ago of what they wanted the structure of the company to look like and are just chopping bits off here and there to make it more palatable to colleagues. Other retailers have restructured but have any done it to the extent that Tesco have?
How anyone can have any kind of job security in Tesco now is beyond me.
with counters, bakery etc I would say that its not that the demand isn't there, its just the poor offering and setup that Tesco offer that's the problem. Morrisons as an example seems too flourish and their new Market kitchen offering shows this.
Tesco maybe the biggest player but its been a long time since they have been market leading
A lot of stores lost their night fill years ago. Mine being one of them. It has always been the plan to roll this out across all stores it was just a matter of time. Staff in my store thought it wouldn't work, just like many here and many other colleagues think it won't work - truth is it does work. The sacrifice is the standards of the shelves, store always looks a mess. We have a twilight team to fill the bulk of the delivery, store closes at midnight. We then have a handful of colleagues in the morning to fill the remaining delivery/backstock. Merchandising is done early morning shift same as PI. We have evening PI for increases and then a 5am team for decreases etc
It does work, but your stores will never look as good as they did with a night team.
A store down the road from me lost their night operation around five years ago and I completely agree, these days, it looks a mess.
The staff there clearly do the best they can but it's like fighting fire with fire. If the big T don't care, so long as they take even more £££s, why should we?
The big T have lost their way, and in my personal opinion, their identity. Far too many people at the top wanting us to operate like the discounters but with a workload of old, when we had more people on the shop floor etc.
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 31-01-22, 06:30PM
Taken from Our Tesco:
Dear colleagues,
We operate in a highly competitive, fast-paced market that is changing rapidly. Over the last two years, as we've responded to the challenges of COVID-19, our business has changed faster than at any other point in our history. Our customers are shopping differently, and many of our colleagues are working differently too.
Last year we launched our new strategic priorities to ensure we can continue to serve our customers in the best way possible and are well-placed for the years ahead. This means we need to continuously look at how we can run our business as simply and efficiently as possible, so we can re-invest in the things that add most value for customers.
Today, we're announcing some changes focused on helping us do this.
Jack's stores
We will be closing seven of our 13 Jack's stores and changing the remaining six to Tesco large stores. Jack's was launched in 2018 to celebrate our centenary and founder, Jack Cohen, and to gain knowledge from running stores with a low-cost operating model.
We have learned a tremendous amount from Jack's and this has helped Tesco become more competitive, more efficient and strengthen the value we offer to customers – including the launch of Aldi Price Match, as well as our popular Fresh 5 fruit and veg discount proposition which we have since launched in businesses across the Group.
As a result, we have consistently attracted new customers to Tesco from our competitors over the last two years and their perception of the value they can find at Tesco has increased significantly. With the learnings from Jack's now fully absorbed into Tesco, the time is right to focus on driving value within our core business.
Thanks to its strong recognition with customers for great quality and value, the Jack's brand will live on, with Jack's-branded products available to independent convenience stores supplied by Booker.
Jack's colleagues working in the six stores that will change to Tesco stores will be automatically offered roles there. For the 130 remaining colleagues across the seven stores which will close and in head office, our priority is to try and find alternative roles at Tesco for all who want to stay with us and we will work individually with each affected colleague to support them during this period of change.
Tesco stores
Customer shopping behaviour has changed considerably over recent years which has led to a decrease in the number of customers using counters on a regular basis in some of our stores. This has made it necessary to review the relevance of each counter within our stores.
In 279 stores where we see local customer demand for meat, fish or hot deli counters, we will continue to offer these services. However, in 317 stores where we see the lowest demand, we will close these counters and repurpose the space to better reflect our customers' needs. There will be no redundancies related to these counter changes, as impacted colleagues will be offered alternative roles.
These are difficult decisions to make, but they are necessary to ensure we can continue to serve customers in the best possible way.
Many thanks,
Jason
I imagine a lot of stores are 'over hours' on their Heat Maps so would like to know how they can offer alternative roles ???.
How can they say no redundancies,the jobs offered have to be like for like!!
I doubt working on the deli/meat counter is anything like pulling a cage and filling a shop floor..
Would like to know where these jobs are going to materialize from!!..they will try their best to not give redundancies, do not cave in...😡😡😡.
Seems there's been some added responsibilities to the shift leader role, one that stands out being "Shift Leaders to deal with shop lifters". Which is quite an interesting one because at most all a shift leader has the power to do is verbally bar someone from the premises, only the group security manager has the power to write out a written ban and that has to be with support from the police.
Shift leaders cant do much more than ask shoplifters to leave and call the police, we used to have a regular one in my express days, who would get out his phone and video the staff if approached, same line every time "you cant touch me at all and if you do I send this to the police and your sacked" he knew he could get away stealing £39 or less worth of goods as local police policy at the time was to not investigate shop theft under that amount, they just gave a crime number over the phone even when it was a repeat offender.
:) £39 a visit
Quote from: penguin on 05-02-22, 05:18PM
Shift leaders cant do much more than ask shoplifters to leave and call the police, we used to have a regular one in my express days, who would get out his phone and video the staff if approached, same line every time "you cant touch me at all and if you do I send this to the police and your sacked" he knew he could get away stealing £39 or less worth of goods as local police policy at the time was to not investigate shop theft under that amount, they just gave a crime number over the phone even when it was a repeat offender.
I know, it's hilarious, the updated role packs are made by people in cloud cuckooland, some of the new responsibilities for the roles aren't possible given that they don't have the authority to perform them, they literally don't have the tools to do the job.
Yes and do you know the funniest bit of all nightandday, the shrink and security manager who for those unaware of express has about 50 stores to account for and you see him or her maybe once a month at best said to the store manager and I quote "You have issues with this guy because your not making a fuss of him, chat with him treat him as a pal and he wont steal from you anymore, great service always wins" and the prize for not living on this planet is hereby award to said shrink and security manager.
They should make that mateyboy role disappear, I mean lets face it, apart from rarely enacting on their authority to write written bans and being a corporate simpleton, they're paid £80k a year to do fluff all. Would be a much more efficient use of money to strip the role out and add the authority, responsibilities and a fraction of the pay to Shift Leaders and Store Managers.
As for Shrink, there's already enough governance on it by the Store Manager and Shift Leaders, there would be no value having an extra layer of authority on something that's already managed to high heaven by 2+ layers of management.
What is mateyboy role??? :o :o
A job that doesn't serve any real useful purpose, generally created on a whim of a director to get a friend into a cushty position where they get paid about 20x the salary someone claiming the dole gets, but has productivity expectations less than what is required for the hypothetical doley to get their dole money (the 10-15 minute process of signing on and travelling back and forth).
are there any confirmed dates yet,as to when these changes to nights/fish/meat counters take effect?
All done by May.
Our nights team finish at the end of April. Looking forward to the fun when the twilight replen starts. Can't see the late Duty manager being thrilled with a midnight finish ...
Quote from: fscer on 06-02-22, 01:44PM
All done by May.
Is that this first lot of changes. Or will more stores lose nights and so on by may?
The only thing affected on nights at my store is BWS.
This is going from night fill to day/twilight fill.
The staff are being moved to other departments on nights.
We on nights have been told, this will change over at the end of March.
The imaginary betting book is open as to how long it will take for nights to be asked to fill it because they can't cope with the 25% promo or they haven't been able to fill because the staff are sat on a checkout.
Counters are going and again staff will have to move to other departments.
Just waiting for the counters staff to say they can't keep their hours.
Remember your existing contracted hours have to be honored.
Quote from: Vinny1985 on 06-02-22, 05:03PM
Quote from: fscer on 06-02-22, 01:44PM
All done by May.
Is that this first lot of changes. Or will more stores lose nights and so on by may?
This is what I would like to know, reading the articles, it says Tesco are restructuring and are removing their night crew workshifts. Someone said on here it won't happen overnight, it's a process, be nice if Tesco actually come out and said something and staff told it will eventually happen.
Typically these quite big changes happen around Feb/March - so if your store isn't affected now then you've probably got at least a year in your current structure.
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 06-02-22, 05:45PM
Typically these quite big changes happen around Feb/March - so if your store isn't affected now then you've probably got at least a year in your current structure.
Watch this space I guess then. We are getting a refit we have been told. I think tills will all be taken out. All self service i feel. Also our store going to be doing that one hour delivery. Don't know where the space and time will be available for that.
Also talking to drivers. They said they don't know how they will deliver everything if no night shifts anywhere, As only so many wagons and time slots to get filled. Not enough trailers or wagons to do everything in the day. Interesting point.
They've started cutting down on deliveries in Express. I know of some stores that only get 2 Ambient a week now when they use to get 5.
Colleagues complaining that they can't move for the amount of stock after a drop.
Also add in the space needed for Woosh and Hermes etc. (if you haven't got it yet you soon will!)
Someone in head office must think expresses are like the Tardis.
I believe that for every delivery they can cut per week is a £10k saving per year per store also.
Been going on for ages cutting down the deliveries into express, started back in 2020 but got put on hold for a few months due to panic buying at the start of the pandemic, store I used to be in went from 5 ambient per week to 3, Frozen unchanged, fresh from 6 days a week to 4, this all happened last year.
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 06-02-22, 03:51PM
Our nights team finish at the end of April. Looking forward to the fun when the twilight replen starts. Can't see the late Duty manager being thrilled with a midnight finish ...
All going to be on the shift leaders!
I think, if I've understood things correctly, those stores which have lost their night operations in last week's announcement are it-for now.
When this happened last time there was 'x' amount of stores/colleagues affected and that was seemingly it for the year.
In terms of BWS colleagues being sat on checkouts... the thing printed off (I assume from Comms Centre) I've seen explicitly states BWS colleagues are NOT to be used for c/out calls and remain on the dept. Yeah right ;D ;D ;D!
We've seen it all before with regards to colleagues not being used for picking and checkouts, unless their line manager is there to say no, they get taken as it's a "priority".
Anyone who's agreeing to move to twilight replen on BWS, good luck... you're going to need it. :D
Hello everyone, looking for help or maybe people's past experiences. I am a nights worker in one of the affected stores. What I would like to know is if we are able to leave tesco for a new job earlier than the 30th of April (final night shift date) for new employment and still receive redundancy.
Our store manager says they are waiting on an information pack but don't think it is possible to leave early without forfeiting the payment, obviously those of us with higher costs of living are under pressure to move on as quickly as possible.
Obviously its hard to judge if our store managers are going to be willing to share the information which may lead to us leaving early and potentially causing a short term staff problem.
Have you started your consultation period yet? You should have a designated manager to deal with all the questions and answers posed.
During previous redundancy situations, the process was that if you were offered a job by another employer during your consultation period, then that job offer was to be in writing, signed and dated by your new employer offering you the position to start prior the end of consultation, and you would not forfeit your redundancy package.
If you have been offered another position before your consultation period of 4 weeks, then they could withhold the redundancy, as it would be classed as your resignation.
If you want to know before your SM gets back to you, phone Tesco help desk or your area union office for the information. Don't give your name, just state you want to know what the option is, should you decide to accept redundancy.
Quote from: lucgeo on 07-02-22, 01:06PM
Have you started your consultation period yet? You should have a designated manager to deal with all the questions and answers posed.
During previous redundancy situations, the process was that if you were offered a job by another employer during your consultation period, then that job offer was to be in writing, signed and dated by your new employer offering you the position to start prior the end of consultation, and you would not forfeit your redundancy package.
If you have been offered another position before your consultation period of 4 weeks, then they could withhold the redundancy, as it would be classed as your resignation.
If you want to know before your SM gets back to you, phone Tesco help desk or your area union office for the information. Don't give your name, just state you want to know what the option is, should you decide to accept redundancy.
Thanks very much Lucgeo that is really helpful,
We have our first meeting coming up where i am told we are to provide availabilty to try and match us to day work, which i am unable to accept.
So going on previous times, once i have that first meeting if i am to find new emplyment i can at that point hand my notice in and leave with the redundancy or would i have to be in a position of them having already decided i am unable to be matched to any jobs?
Quote from: GeneralDogsbody on 06-02-22, 11:17PM
Quote from: Prince of Darkness on 06-02-22, 03:51PM
Our nights team finish at the end of April. Looking forward to the fun when the twilight replen starts. Can't see the late Duty manager being thrilled with a midnight finish ...
All going to be on the shift leaders!
Which we don't have. Yet. Can't see any obvious volunteers from the store for the role either if it involves a load of midnight finishes.
@Dlk
If you're wanting redundancy, and have been told you're at risk, then you need to be told that first. The availability form you fill in, put the same hours and shifts you do now. It is up to them to match those shifts, which they can't as your present role, on those shifts and hours, is being made redundant.
You can have as many meetings with the designated redundancy manager as you like. You can ask any questions you want and they need to get back to you within a day or two. Notes are taken at every meeting, to which your given a copy.
Once it's established that you are at risk of redundancy and you have entered the consultation period, you can have up to four half paid shifts, ( that may have changed so check) to attend interviews with other companies. Some managers insist on proof, but most don't as they are empathic to your situation.
They must have told you they cannot match your availability, and given confirmation that you will be released early, without penalty, to take an alternative employers offer.
If you already have an offer of employment from another company, keep that to yourself, and ensure the new employer does provide proof of an offer AFTER your consultation starts.
Good luck :thumbup:
Invest your money in Tesla not Tesco. :-X
i'd rather spend it!! thanks for the offer anyway :-*
@lucgeo thanks a bunch!
good luck dlk you lucky sod :). its times like these i wish i was on nights :'(
Haven't logged in here for a couple of years now, but just wanted to say good luck to you all on nights. I was cut in the last night cull at the end of 2019. For over a decade before that, I worked Mon to Fri and my hours no longer suited the business 😂. Refused to work weekends so took my chances elsewhere. Remember the store manager at the time being shocked that I didn't take another vacancy instead of redundancy - 16 hours spread across four days. Unbelievable.
I've kept in touch with a few of the people I worked with for years and they can't wait for redundancy, over the moon for them. Gutted for the younger ones of course, never a nice position to be put in. It's very easy for me to say now because at the time I was absolutely bricking it, but it really was the best thing to ever happen to me. Took me 6 months to find full time, permanent work but I ended up in a job making more money for working 9 to 5 than I did 10pm to 7am. Funny how things work out.
Good luck👍🏼
:thumbup:
is Project solo still a thing. (I think that's what they were calling it)
An idea taken from the discounters where the delivery is unloaded by the driver after hours so no need for colleagues to be in the building.
Yeah i doubt any drivers that work with or for tesco will ever agee to do that any time soon at least not with the current hgv driver shortage . They do the minimum amout of work and thay arr well and trully happy and well paid for it. Before you jump on my head and say that is not an easy job i know but most of it involves sitting behind the wheel or sitting and "helping " tip your lorry so you can finish early or have your little paid break outside the yard while making almost double then people tiping the lorry or even filli g the shelfs ...so yeah doubt the tesco lorry drivers will ever go for doing extra work unless paid much much more money
Quote from: Kieth_Lemon on 08-02-22, 05:49PM
is Project solo still a thing. (I think that's what they were calling it)
An idea taken from the discounters where the delivery is unloaded by the driver after hours so no need for colleagues to be in the building.
They were planning something along those lines for express back in 2017, deliveries would be done by driver plus another person in the truck who would not be a driver so on a lower rate of pay. delivers to be done during normal times, so no store staff involvement in unloading delivers and reloading rubbish cages and empties, some rubbish about freeing up store staff to focus on the shop floor, more like a way to cut down on store staff, you do not tip deliveries anymore in this shop, out goes 15 hours or whatever per week wage budget, anyway in never came to anything in the end.
Quote from: Baba_G on 08-02-22, 06:01PM
Yeah i doubt any drivers that work with or for tesco will ever agee to do that any time soon at least not with the current hgv driver shortage . They do the minimum amout of work and thay arr well and trully happy and well paid for it. Before you jump on my head and say that is not an easy job i know but most of it involves sitting behind the wheel or sitting and "helping " tip your lorry so you can finish early or have your little paid break outside the yard while making almost double then people tiping the lorry or even filli g the shelfs ...so yeah doubt the tesco lorry drivers will ever go for doing extra work unless paid much much more money
Don't blame them, if everybody stuck to the expected duties of their roles, you wouldn't have managers from the wild west pulling this "it'll be good for your development" spiel. They're doing what they're paid for, and remunerated very poorly I might add to do as their role stipulates, nothing more.
Quote from: Baba_G on 08-02-22, 06:01PM
Yeah i doubt any drivers that work with or for tesco will ever agee to do that any time soon at least not with the current hgv driver shortage . They do the minimum amout of work and thay arr well and trully happy and well paid for it. Before you jump on my head and say that is not an easy job i know but most of it involves sitting behind the wheel or sitting and "helping " tip your lorry so you can finish early or have your little paid break outside the yard while making almost double then people tiping the lorry or even filli g the shelfs ...so yeah doubt the tesco lorry drivers will ever go for doing extra work unless paid much much more money
What do you expect the HGV drivers to do whilst waiting to unload ??? They're not employed by your store, if they're sitting, eating or drinking in their cab in the yard, what's the difference to you ??? The reason they're sitting waiting is because of the lack of logistics in your warehouse, and understaffing. The store is given an ETA for their deliveries, but fail to have enough cover as they prioritise checkouts and all hands! They rarely provide cover for back door breaks, hence the backlog!
If you're so bothered about their high rate of pay, then perhaps you should consider training for a HGV licence!
I honestly don't understand why people wait and hope to be made redundant. Surely in the years waiting and moaning they could have applied themselves to find a job they would enjoy. They all talk like they have a divine right to be paid off which simply doesn't happen in other jobs.
I know jobs are difficult to find but life is too short and I don't believe these people apply for any jobs. The real reason is more likely these are the most useless and negative individuals which would come across in interviews so why would you want to hire them?
All well and good distribution giving planned delivery times, so stores can arrange for backdoor cover, but when less than 25% of deliveries turn up at the right time it's pointless! Out of 6 deliveries to our store yesterday only 1 was within an an hour of the planned time! Or you get the daft situation of two double deckers being planned within half an hour of each other and they actually turn up on time for a change along with frozen turning up early/late and a multitude of parcel vans and pallet waggons ringing the bell every 5 minutes!
You couldn't be more wrong in thinking jobs are hard to find. We live in an employees market. Tesco need to do more on retention. As it stands they are at colleagues disposal!
Quote from: Lostrebel on 10-02-22, 06:53AM
I honestly don't understand why people wait and hope to be made redundant. Surely in the years waiting and moaning they could have applied themselves to find a job they would enjoy. They all talk like they have a divine right to be paid off which simply doesn't happen in other jobs.
I know jobs are difficult to find but life is too short and I don't believe these people apply for any jobs. The real reason is more likely these are the most useless and negative individuals which would come across in interviews so why would you want to hire them?
@Lostrebel
10-15 years ago, redundancies in retail were unheard of.
A job, only 20 years ago in Tesco, was deemed a job for life, full time positions were in the majority and they were the highest payers p.h. Everyone was trained, in the " training room" to do their job. Staff were in abundance, they had a social club, social outings, Christmas parties, and a full time staffed canteen that provided subsided cooked from scratch breakfasts, lunches and evening meals!
Retail in general, has cut back and streamlined, Tesco weren't the first to start culling their workforce to the bone! It's been a gradual decline, and the workers of 20+ years find themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place...most are still on the old contracts, some are still full time, taking that and their more senior years into consideration, they're looking at a package in excess of 20k!
So yes they do have a divine right to hold out for that amount, as they're not going to walk away from it are they ??? It does, and is happening in other retail companies all the time!
I can assure you that an older, fully trained Tesco employee, would be shortlisted for any vacancy they applied for, as Tesco were renowned for having good training practices ( in the past ).
Many ex colleagues who took the redundancy packages, were in alternative employment within a few months, all better paid and senior positions, because they knew their worth and so did their new employer!
@FarmerFred
I agree wholeheartedly in what you say, the logistics for the timings of deliveries is pointless, as they don't factor in road traffic delays, size of wagons and other small company deliveries throughout the day.
Full cover at all times on the back door has been cut to the bone, only one person on back door and their breaks not covered!
The same scenario running throughout, day in day out!
Back door person on their break, delivery arrives. Manager wants back door colleague to cut break short and go tip wagon, then take " the rest of their break later" NO!! If they have their break cut short, then they go back and take their WHOLE break again, regardless of how much they'd already taken, add to this their other break times still to be taken later, resulting in even less time actually having the back door manned!
P.s. 8-) you can refuse to cut your break short 8-)
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-02-22, 08:11AM
@Lostrebel
10-15 years ago, redundancies in retail were unheard of.
A job, only 20 years ago in Tesco, was deemed a job for life, full time positions were in the majority and they were the highest payers p.h. Everyone was trained, in the " training room" to do their job. Staff were in abundance, they had a social club, social outings, Christmas parties, and a full time staffed canteen that provided subsided cooked from scratch breakfasts, lunches and evening meals!
Retail in general, has cut back and streamlined, Tesco weren't the first to start culling their workforce to the bone! It's been a gradual decline, and the workers of 20+ years find themselves stuck between a rock and a hard place...most are still on the old contracts, some are still full time, taking that and their more senior years into consideration, they're looking at a package in excess of 20k!
So yes they do have a divine right to hold out for that amount, as they're not going to walk away from it are they ??? It does, and is happening in other retail companies all the time!
I can assure you that an older, fully trained Tesco employee, would be shortlisted for any vacancy they applied for, as Tesco were renowned for having good training practices ( in the past ).
Many ex colleagues who took the redundancy packages, were in alternative employment within a few months, all better paid and senior positions, because they knew their worth and so did their new employer!
I for one wouldn't spend 20 years of my life waiting around for £20k. Surely bite the bullet and leave earning extra £1 an hour and you've made more then £20k over the next 20 years. Dreadful way to think, thinking you have a right for basically doing your job.
Quote from: Lostrebel on 10-02-22, 06:53AM
I honestly don't understand why people wait and hope to be made redundant. Surely in the years waiting and moaning they could have applied themselves to find a job they would enjoy. They all talk like they have a divine right to be paid off which simply doesn't happen in other jobs.
I know jobs are difficult to find but life is too short and I don't believe these people apply for any jobs. The real reason is more likely these are the most useless and negative individuals which would come across in interviews so why would you want to hire them?
Redundancies do happen elsewhere, usually when the role isn't needed due to the requirement being fulfilled by automation. In other companies, it's a straightforward process, there's none of this waiting for people to leave malarky as per Tesco.
And as Lucgeo states, that redundancy money is morally theirs, either Tesco keeps them in their company in a obsolete role with no defined responsibilities or they do the right thing and pay them off, either way they lose money as they should, forfeiting their redundancy is basically letting Tesco cull jobs without financial consequences and sets a precedent for every Mickey Mouse outfit to do the same.
Add to this the people waiting out for £20k+ would be atvthe near end of their working life, their skills in Retail in a similar role also wouldn't get them that much more. Financially speaking holding out for redundo is the best financial option in some cases.
Exactly. The night shift guys in my store who have said they will take redundancy if it's offered are all lifers with more than 20 years in. More importantly, they are only a few years from retirement anyway. A nice pay off would tide them over until the pension kicks in.
Redundancy isn't a gift. It's something you've earned.
Quote from: Lostrebel on 10-02-22, 06:53AM
I honestly don't understand why people wait and hope to be made redundant. Surely in the years waiting and moaning they could have applied themselves to find a job they would enjoy. They all talk like they have a divine right to be paid off which simply doesn't happen in other jobs.
I know jobs are difficult to find but life is too short and I don't believe these people apply for any jobs. The real reason is more likely these are the most useless and negative individuals which would come across in interviews so why would you want to hire them?
You must a manager. No one who actually works for a living would talk such nonsense. :D
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-02-22, 08:37AM
If they have their break cut short, then they go back and take their WHOLE break again, regardless of how much they'd already taken
@Lucgeo, can you please point to where this is in Policy as until reading your post I had no idea about it. I'm sometimes called away 5 or 10 minutes early from a break to help load/unload a dotcom van then told to complete my break afterwards and a couple of times have been asked by a manager during my lunch hour if they "...can have a quick word with you?" Which turns into a 10 minute work related chat about something they want me to do later/next week.
Thanks in advance.
@Lostrebel
You're really not getting the gist of it here are you?? They didn't sign on 20 odd years ago with a view to moving on...they didn't have at the back of their minds..."I'll hang tight and maybe get redundancy in 20 years".
Redundancy in retail 20 plus years ago was unheard of!! The retail industry employment has eroded slowly, but surely, the ones on the old contracts, maintained those contracts...so they're still in full time employment, their old contracts protected...and you think, because suddenly five years ago the writing was on the wall, they're going to say...sod this...Sod the 20+k redundancy I'm entitled to...I'm off because I don't want newbie youngsters thinking bad of me or that I'm dreadful for wanting what I'm entitled to!!
Wake, wake and you're back in the room Lostrebel :-X :-X
Quote from: Villager No.6 on 10-02-22, 06:38PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-02-22, 08:37AM
If they have their break cut short, then they go back and take their WHOLE break again, regardless of how much they'd already taken
@Lucgeo, can you please point to where this is in Policy as until reading your post I had no idea about it. I'm sometimes called away 5 or 10 minutes early from a break to help load/unload a dotcom van then told to complete my break afterwards and a couple of times have been asked by a manager during my lunch hour if they "...can have a quick word with you?" Which turns into a 10 minute work related chat about something they want me to do later/next week.
Thanks in advance.
Unless it has been changed in the last 2.5 years it is part of the partnership agreement that you restart your break in full, if requested to go back to your dept to help out...again only if you're agreeable! Your union rep has this information to hand...if you're not in the union, phone Tesco help desk to clarify. Tesco help desk is a union call...otherwise phone you're USDAW area office.
You NEVER allow a manager to "have a quick word" whilst you are on your break! You are not paid for that break time, therefore you are NOT available until after your break is finished. Just state clearly" I'm on my break!!"
Quote from: lucgeo on 10-02-22, 07:49PM
@Lostrebel
You're really not getting the gist of it here are you?? They didn't sign on 20 odd years ago with a view to moving on...they didn't have at the back of their minds..."I'll hang tight and maybe get redundancy in 20 years".
Redundancy in retail 20 plus years ago was unheard of!! The retail industry employment has eroded slowly, but surely, the ones on the old contracts, maintained those contracts...so they're still in full time employment, their old contracts protected...and you think, because suddenly five years ago the writing was on the wall, they're going to say...sod this...Sod the 20+k redundancy I'm entitled to...I'm off because I don't want newbie youngsters thinking bad of me or that I'm dreadful for wanting what I'm entitled to!!
Wake, wake and you're back in the room Lostrebel :-X :-X
Christ I bet you were great fun to work with. Surely since you've been made redundant your life has improved enough to just move on? If you earned an extra £2 an hour 5 years ago to the present you still would have been better off.
Not sure how you figure that as for all the time they're not being paid redundancy, they're being paid by Tesco, £2 an hour extra on 36.5 hours a week over 5 years is just shy of £19k which is less than their potential redundancy package.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-02-22, 10:01PM
Not sure how you figure that as for all the time they're not being paid redundancy, they're being paid by Tesco, £2 an hour extra on 36.5 hours a week over 5 years is just shy of £19k which is less than their potential redundancy package.
Well clearly you can adjust the figure to any value you want. I was just showing a minor increase would be worth it. It might be less then their potential package which might not happen and their mental health would improve. Using your logic when does it become viable to commit to a job on the hope of redundancy if you dislike it? 20 years service and 5 years away from retirement?
Nomad, it is just myself, or is this turning rapidly into a mud slinging match and veering completely off topic?
Quote from: Lostrebel on 11-02-22, 06:47AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-02-22, 10:01PM
Not sure how you figure that as for all the time they're not being paid redundancy, they're being paid by Tesco, £2 an hour extra on 36.5 hours a week over 5 years is just shy of £19k which is less than their potential redundancy package.
Well clearly you can adjust the figure to any value you want. I was just showing a minor increase would be worth it. It might be less then their potential package which might not happen and their mental health would improve. Using your logic when does it become viable to commit to a job on the hope of redundancy if you dislike it? 20 years service and 5 years away from retirement?
This is retail we're talking about, for one, £2 extra an hour would be going from one role to the next level up, so generally the equivalent of a ca going to a shift leader role, or shift leader going for a TM role. If the affected choose to forego redundancy, they're likely to move into a similar role at a competitor where the difference at most will be £1 an hour, but mostly less (if they received skills payment at Tesco, then apart from Aldi, everywhere else would pay less, Aldi would only pay about 40p more if that, and widespread reviews say Aldo is little more than a well paying gulag), even those who decide to try for a more senior role, an extra £2 an hour over 5 and a bit years covers their redundancy, but during that time, they'd just as likely get the redundancy at some point from Tesco while getting paid and maintaining their role which they'd be comfortable in.
They'd need a massive transition to make it worthwhile foregoing redundancy, something like what happened to me for instance where I left my £20k odd a year shift leader role to become a government consultant with a starting salary of £60k a year.
Tesco pays ca far to well, best laugh I have had in ages, I left my ca job 18 months ago and now earn a much better wage in a factory than I ever did at Tesco, takes a bit of nerve to hand in your notice and do something else when you have spent years in retail but better jobs and wages are out there, and for those who wish to stick with retail plenty of places pay ca level far better and no doubt treat staff better than Tesco.
My assertion is that in the sphere of low-mid level roles in Retail (heck even some Retail outlets have SMs on starting salaries of £25k a year which works out at around £2 per hour more than a TM) a £2 increase is commensurate with pay ofva more senior level.
If we're comparing like for like, a CA at Tesco on £9.55 an hour jumping ship to forgo redundancy to any of their competitors except for Co-op and Icelands would get at most £1 an hour more (and that's at Aldi where they get their pound if flesh), Tesco pays Sunday premium where the competitors do not, however even with this being the case, it works out as on average, a range between 30-70p more per hour elsewhere, you'd have to wait around 12+ years to see the gains regained from foregoing redundancy and that's if they manage to get a full time position, something which is mythical for non-manager colleagues in this day and age., it's just not a financially good decision.
@Nowanexmgr you have considerable disdain for VLH and its members and you very rarely give anybody any useful advice or information regarding their problem(s) so why do you come on VLH ?
You really are a sad person.
@Nowanexmanager
I'm going to draw a line under this...the majority of VLH members use this site to give positive help if they can, listen to others ideas or get the heads up from other CA's and managers alike of what's in the pipeline. Not all members are positive, not all are very nice, it's not Disney club!
If a member comes on stating an assault has taken place in her workplace, that member is taken at face value, and advice and support offered. Some are genuinely concerned, as a lot of nasty, illegal and explicit episodes have often been committed by Tesco personnel over the years, by Managers and CA's alike...the one of two managers indulging in a sexual act, whilst on duty and in full view of young children who filmed them, springs to mind :-X
If Terri was a genuine poster or a sad person making it up, is irrelevant. There are many incidents reported daily of such type throughout all workplace's. However if "Terri" was genuine, and took any advice given, which I presume would have been to report it, either to the senior manager of Personnel or the police, then that complaint would have become live and ongoing, and any comments on it would be barred.
If her complaint was upheld, then in all probability she would have been offered some sort of gagging deal. It is a course of action I have known happen a few times over the years, where Tesco has reached an agreement and settlement with the colleague, who agrees not to divulge the outcome!
[admin]Nowanexmanager quote "I was, and still am, a bloody good manager.". in which case you have absolutely no need for VLH, and are of no use to it especially when it comes to helping others. [/admin]
As this topic is so far off course it will be locked.
A new topic on structure change can be started, however it will be closely monitored by mod/admin team.