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Without wanting to get into too much of a debate over the usefulness of any union, ultimately they only have so many "powers" - and most employment law is strongly in favour of employers - especially large ones with the "muscle" of Tesco - of course, we await to see the results of the "equal pay court cases" (both Tesco and Asda I believe) but it would be somewhat of a surprise if the "little man" (and woman!) has a clearcut victory.
The latest news on Usdaw website relates to the Morrisons Pension scheme changes - Usdaw are very upset and objected strongly - but seemingly the changes are still going ahead -

They are moving from a : Morrisons pays 5% and Employee pays 3% into the pension to the complete opposite -

i.e. Employee pays 5% and Morrisons reduce their contribution to 3%.

So yes, despite the current Tesco pension scheme being significantly less beneficial than the old one (pre 2015), the current arrangement of Tesco matching contributions up to 7.5% compares favourably.

Of course, given what's happened with Morrisons, Tesco could easily change too.

In terms of whether one should continue paying for a union - then most people would argue that the only benefit would be for representation in any disciplinary (or similar) issues at work - but I guess if your store doesn't have a rep or the rep isn't "very clued up" (or happens to be on the options scheme training to be a manager - the case in my store) then you might decide that any help isn't really worth the cost of the membership - so yes, go ahead and cancel.

Unfortunately, there's little prospect that any large scale decisions will "go in our favour" if Tesco decides that they want to do something wide ranging -

And the other thing to consider - although this might sound somewhat greedy (or certainly being a free-rider) - even if you're not a paid up member of the union, any decisions that are made in "partnership" affect us all equally (more or less I think) - it's not like after any pay review for example that union members get a more favourable deal - or similarly in any possible restructures (such as the bakery one being discussed here) -

I would love to know how many Tesco members Usdaw actually has.

 

Yes they are 30 years I was with them until the double time debacle then I quit them.

If you know your way around what tesco does there are plenty of ex section managers who I would like to think would give good advice like I do they can't pull wool over my eyes .

the fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

Doe people asking about redundancy and whether they will get it or not. Understand that tesco dont want to pay for redundancy. The only people I see getting redundancy is those that work on nights shift managers phone shop employee and pharmacy employee. It is the reason they change the contract.

When it comes to USDAW all tesco members need to revolt. Many years ago we gave up the right to vote without a review date set. Look at our last drivers strike a couple of Christmases ago tesco folded so quick. as shop floor workers paying into the union without the right to vote we have no voice and no real power if every decision had to come down to shop floor members we'd have so much more power.

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

It tells me that in the grand scheme of things it just isn't worth reporting.

We're a large extra and it's just the one wages clerk affected. Our scratch bakery went 5+ years ago.

Any news on phone shops?

Was at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.

Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.

only opening 4 hours a day? 

Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.

Sorry.... rather tired. Meant 7am to 11pm lol

Quote from: mab47 on 07-02-24, 04:17PM

Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.

only opening 4 hours a day? 

Wooops, my mistake... 7am to 11pm it was meant to be lol

Quote from: TisTime on 07-02-24, 10:57AMI really don't know why anyone would be paying the Union anymore.

Every one of these decisions has been run through the union as part of the 'Partnership', and the union has just rolled over and had their bellies ticked.

Waste of Money.

and their back pockets filled!!

Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 04:27PM

Quote from: ImBackBaby on 07-02-24, 03:48PMWas at a store this morning and they were told all stores across the UK are moving to 7am to 11am opening now, even the extra format.

Sorry.... rather tired. Meant 7am to 11pm lol

you built my hopes up there

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs?  Don't we count?

It's the new contract usdaw took up the ass for us all,nobody counts.

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

No job losses. Just your skill is been reassigned. Not news

Quote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PM

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs?  Don't we count?

You're a customer assistant. You're not losing your job. Just your skills are been reassigned.

if anyone thinks they're getting redundancy good luck esp since the union screwed every one over when the contracts changed and we are not dept workers we are colleagues nothing more you will be stuck where Tesco sees fit if you're job role is made redundant .. there has been tons of restructuring in my store management and ga based to the best of my knowledge in the past few years 1 manager was given redundancy all the ga we're kept on deli staff counter staff and other dept restructuring not one  ga got redundancy

Quote from: SAMCRO on 06-02-24, 07:22PMOH employee who signed that off needs investigating. Working security but cannot be trained or fit to work elsewhere, biggest load of c**p I've heard in a long long time.

looks like I upset a lot its medical reasons that I won't go into but yes I just do security and agency fill in when I am not there

Quote from: 1982dave on 07-02-24, 06:26PMif anyone thinks they're getting redundancy good luck esp since the union screwed every one over when the contracts changed and we are not dept workers we are colleagues nothing more you will be stuck where Tesco sees fit if you're job role is made redundant .. there has been tons of restructuring in my store management and ga based to the best of my knowledge in the past few years 1 manager was given redundancy all the ga we're kept on deli staff counter staff and other dept restructuring not one  ga got redundancy

T is no different to any other retail outlet in restructuring colleagues - many other businesses have restructured so that staff can be reduced/re-used.

Quote from: fscer on 07-02-24, 06:18PM

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

No job losses. Just your skill is been reassigned. Not news

Quote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PM

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs?  Don't we count?

You're a customer assistant. You're not losing your job. Just your skills are been reassigned.

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So on here Night workers are on as tgey are Customer Assistants too on the same contract as us just with a premium! But, they want redundancy if their job goes!  Yet with restructuring they should just move to twilight's or early mornings or get another job the same as Wage clerks get moved or get another job! A

with nights it is not about being a customer assistant it is about the hours being significantly changed that would attract redundancy, a wages clerk is just a ga on a computer  with a skills payment, who can be moved to most places around the store, i am sure tesco are working within the law.

"So on here Night workers are on as tgey are Customer Assistants too on the same contract as us just with a premium! But, they want redundancy if their job goes!  Yet with restructuring they should just move to twilight's or early mornings or get another job the same as Wage clerks get moved or get another job!"

The conditions for it being a redundancy situation is "reasonable change" . Moving from an office based job to a shopfloor role is reasonable , a change from working through the night to being expected to reverse your lifestyle and work through the day instead is not a reasonable change . However unpalatable the possibility of having to swap from the office to the shopfloor is, unfortunately there are no grounds for it being a redundancy situation

Quote from: WAGs on 07-02-24, 05:08PM

Quote from: jonty on 07-02-24, 02:24PM

Quote from: chris9997 on 07-02-24, 01:25PMthe fact this info has not hit  the media yet gives me the idea that there may be more news to come.

The media might not deem it newsworthy as there's no large job losses.

Well how many Wage Clerk's are in the process of loosing their jobs?  Don't we count?

But we're NOT losing our jobs. Just our roles