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Night being axe replaced with twilight hours

Started by Bobmay, 04-11-22, 04:24AM

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Bobmay

I have been hearing more and more about nights being removed  delivery not being done in many stores by people. Night staff leaving not being replaced or being replaced in far less people let's say 10 people leave 4 new staff etc. Ia this happening in your store and have you heard about changes fo nights shift.I heard that tesco will be moving night from the hours we do know for example 10.7 11.8 12.8 to around 3.10. 3.11. 4 .12 etc. I also hear from many colleagues that delivery is far less than before. The ceo has stated that changes are needed for the for the way tesco operates so as an result I wouldn't be surprised if they remove nights.

Tesco also brought in the new contract which means people will work everywhere if they are planning to remove nights this might be the reason they brought this contract.

What your thoughts removing all of night changing hours redundancy moving to days benign filling?

oldfashionedplayer

I welcome it, ours are hoping they do it, cause it'll be a large change of hours, so it'll go from unsociable to sociable.. so redundancy payouts... Our's will happily take that, just like merchandisers did on their cuts, one got 18k and went to another role in store the next week lol. So if that's anything to go by, Whether we stay or go, I'm all for it for the money.

lucgeo

There is a redundancy calculator on the VLH home page in the links section.

This is a time you need to be discussing your options with your USDAW rep with regard time changes. There used to be a booklet all reps had explaining the differing scenarios. If I recall correctly a 2 hour window change each side of your contracted hours would not be deemed an unreasonable request.
If the majority of your new hours fell into your current work pattern, it would not be deemed an unreasonable request.

Going from nights to the majority of afternoon/twighlight hour shifts would be classed as unreasonable, with also the loss of premium pay.

Protected pay is an option, but bear in mind it is only for a set amount of time, and any future pay increases will not be awarded to you during this transition period, until you have come down to the same rate as the rest of your colleagues.

Rumours of night shift redundancy has been uttered for many years, since the last one a few years back. It does seem more probable now that stores are no longer 24/7 ???

My advice would be until you're actually sat down and told your job is at risk, DO NOTHING, SAY NOTHING, AGREE TO NOTHING, SIGN NOTHING!! :-X  :-X
And DO NOT believe any manager who says there's no redundancies! That was the first words out of my SM's mouth for our stock control cull, hoping we'd all panic and take anything available.

If you really want redundancy, then fill in the redundancy availability form for your current contracted shifts. Don't be swayed to put any different.


Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Tesc0Wow

I can't see this being everywhere to be honest, there are some superstores & expresses where it'd make sense to remove it. But some stores especially busy extras I don't know how it can be filled on a twilight with the shop being so busy with a heavy evening trade. What I can see however is a removal of night managers being replaced by shift leads. Likely 1 manager and rest being shift lead.

Hammer10

They can't fill the shop over night now let alone on a twilight.

Morris999

Bobmay, you keep hearing it because you keep posting about it.

In all honesty as you're an ex metro it might happen next year, however all I know is that all the stores in my area including mine, have not seen deliveries decrease, far from it.

They trialled a few departments on twilights in a store near me for 6 months, they have now gone back to full night fill, and the rollout to the other stores in my group has been scrapped.
There is always a decrease in people and not all are always replaced.

Take checkouts in my store for instance.
We have had 10 cashiers leave since April and not one replacement.
Doesn't mean that we are getting rid of all the checkouts anytime soon.
It will all depend on how many hours your store is allocated on the ideal base.
If you're over then they won't be replaced simple as that.
Remember you've gone from Metro format to Expess format, that will instantly mean your ideal base will have changed to the express format, and we all know how they are run!
Doesn't mean that something is coming.

It's also too early for SD's to start telling SM's to get ready for any structure changes.
That will happen mid/end of Jan when the rumours will go into overdrive.

Tesco gimp

Quote from: Tesc0Wow on 04-11-22, 11:15AMI can't see this being everywhere to be honest, there are some superstores & expresses where it'd make sense to remove it. But some stores especially busy extras I don't know how it can be filled on a twilight with the shop being so busy with a heavy evening trade. What I can see however is a removal of night managers being replaced by shift leads. Likely 1 manager and rest being shift lead.
This is already happening in extras so if they get the dot com fixed every store will lose there nightshift

T2019sackallmanagers

#7
They will eradicate nights as soon as they can because they are literally copying Aldi/lidl where they do not have any night teams. The company is a shambles, so just wait it out to get redundancy. They got rid of nights in my store a few years back even though it's sales were over a 1.5 million a week. The twilight shift that prevailed hit those numbers over the coming months and the same store struggles to turnover 800k a week now. They have not gone back to a nightshift since this has happened, so it looks like suicide to me in profitability, just to save a few pounds on shift premiums. Working 3-12:30 is probably the worst hours you could work. You'd never see your family at all and recruitment is constant as nobody stays to do those hours other than a few single parents to claim their benefits.

Voulezvous

Do any Extra DotCom stores fill during twilight hours atm? Seemingly if it wasn't for issues it would cause with distribution nightshift wouldn't be in any of the stores

Davethebave

Yes, I know of an extra that fills on twilight. I'm sure it's not the only one that does it.

Dotcom avail is poor
The shopping trip for customers is very poor
The wait at checkouts is terrible
Twilight colleagues just stand around doing nothing as the managers haven't a clue

Bobmay

Quote from: lucgeo on 04-11-22, 10:37AMThere is a redundancy calculator on the VLH home page in the links section.

This is a time you need to be discussing your options with your USDAW rep with regard time changes. There used to be a booklet all reps had explaining the differing scenarios. If I recall correctly a 2 hour window change each side of your contracted hours would not be deemed an unreasonable request.
If the majority of your new hours fell into your current work pattern, it would not be deemed an unreasonable request.

Going from nights to the majority of afternoon/twighlight hour shifts would be classed as unreasonable, with also the loss of premium pay.

Protected pay is an option, but bear in mind it is only for a set amount of time, and any future pay increases will not be awarded to you during this transition period, until you have come down to the same rate as the rest of your colleagues.

Rumours of night shift redundancy has been uttered for many years, since the last one a few years back. It does seem more probable now that stores are no longer 24/7 ???

My advice would be until you're actually sat down and told your job is at risk, DO NOTHING, SAY NOTHING, AGREE TO NOTHING, SIGN NOTHING!! :-X  :-X
And DO NOT believe any manager who says there's no redundancies! That was the first words out of my SM's mouth for our stock control cull, hoping we'd all panic and take anything available.

If you really want redundancy, then fill in the redundancy availability form for your current contracted shifts. Don't be swayed to put any different.




Agreed dont be afraid to take redundancy money because the manager wants you to stay

Bobmay

Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 04-11-22, 10:19PMThey will eradicate nights as soon as they can because they are literally copying Aldi/lidl where they do not have any night teams. The company is a shambles, so just wait it out to get redundancy. They got rid of nights in my store a few years back even though it's sales were over a 1.5 million a week. The twilight shift that prevailed hit those numbers over the coming months and the same store struggles to turnover 800k a week now. They have not gone back to a nightshift since this has happened, so it looks like suicide to me in profitability, just to save a few pounds on shift premiums. Working 3-12:30 is probably the worst hours you could work. You'd never see your family at all and recruitment is constant as nobody stays to do those hours other than a few single parents to claim their benefits.

That my point I dont see tesco paying 15 pound an hour for nights. When they removed nights from your store was it extremly busy and what were the signs they were going to remove nights from your store?  In my store they are keep hiring morning and evening staff half the night team have left not 1 person replaced.

Bobmay

Quote from: Voulezvous on 05-11-22, 08:17AMDo any Extra DotCom stores fill during twilight hours atm? Seemingly if it wasn't for issues it would cause with distribution nightshift wouldn't be in any of the stores

When the removed nights from an few stores a few years ago they did. They changed them from nights to twilight I have 1 store ear me an superstore that removed nights changed to twilight

Sherwoodforest

2 extra,s near me fill on twilight,but have no dot com,im in a extra with dot com and still do nights

Mrbline

They r recuirimenting shift leaders for extra on nights so this is hear say and also.heard this doesn't work from above

happyone

#15
They took beer wine spirits off our night team but cannot manage to fill it during the day so we have to fill it over night, same goes with frozen so I don't see how they can get rid of are night team in our store.  I also agree with some previous post when staff leave they are not replacing them we have had a couple of staff start on Xmas hours but after one shift they left.

Potofgold

Can't see them taking nightshift off in a dot com store! Wish they would I'd take redundancy like a shot  ;D

Adywebb

We are an Extra with Dotcom where nights went to twilights

Potofgold

Did no one take redundancy? Or was it not offered?

newguy20

#19
Quote from: happyone on 05-11-22, 04:20PMThey took beer wine spirits off our night team but cannot manage to fill it during the day so we have to fill it over night, same goes with frozen so I don't see how they can get rid of are night team in our store.  I also agree with some previous post when staff leave they are not replacing them we have had a couple of staff start on Xmas hours but after one shift they left.

BWS in my store went to day fill with no extra hrs.  Needless to say it was back to a night fill within a month or so.  They didn't make anyone redundant as they had just moved the BWS guys to other aisles.

Frozen moved to a day fill which... sometimes works.  There's three who regularly do it, but the coverage is hit and miss, so certain days there might just be one guy for 4 hours in the evening.

Morrissey1912

Bored with this question now.Its all hear say and plenty of store's recruiting shift leaders and managers on nights

Bobmay

Quote from: Potofgold on 05-11-22, 08:09PMDid no one take redundancy? Or was it not offered?

They did remove nights last time from many stores.I believe in the new year they will remove nights.

Bobmay

Quote from: newguy20 on 06-11-22, 12:54AM
Quote from: happyone on 05-11-22, 04:20PMThey took beer wine spirits off our night team but cannot manage to fill it during the day so we have to fill it over night, same goes with frozen so I don't see how they can get rid of are night team in our store.  I also agree with some previous post when staff leave they are not replacing them we have had a couple of staff start on Xmas hours but after one shift they left.

BWS in my store went to day fill with no extra hrs.  Needless to say it was back to a night fill within a month or so.  They didn't make anyone redundant as they had just moved the BWS guys to other aisles.

Frozen moved to a day fill which... sometimes works.  There's three who regularly do it, but the coverage is hit and miss, so certain days there might just be one guy for 4 hours in the evening.

That the point if they have staft they can manage

Bobmay

Quote from: Morrissey1912 on 06-11-22, 01:15PMBored with this question now.Its all hear say and plenty of store's recruiting shift leaders and managers on nights

When they slashed staff numbers from my store last time they were hiring people so it makes no difference if they hire people or not.

madness

Well our store has a load of xmas temps in who all look like kids who don't give a toss.

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